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>>133513028
Hi cumrag. This picture is for you.

>>133513028
What is the main reason(s) communism is needed in today's society? Doesn't seem like it worked anywhere.

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>>133513028
The cunty spic is back.

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>>133513028
Show yourself

>>133513711

It's the most humane and efficient socioeconomic system conceived.

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>>133517818
Even Feudalism is more humane and efficient then Communism. At least the peasants didn't have to worry about starving and strong nations had the means to capture new territories with a strong army

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>>133517818
Not human, not efficient.
In order to make such collectivist distribution you'd need near total ownership over all human beings involved. Then on top of that you cannot have an economy without private property and private exchange because you lose the measurement of value of resources, making you not know what you should produce, how much, and where to distribute it, the concept of "economizing" vanquishes, there's literally no efficiency involved.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

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How's Venezuela doing???

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>>133513164
BTFO

>>133513028
Get fucked cunt

>>133513028
>From each according to their ability to each according to their needs
Is not the most humane. It means that people who work hard get less than what they deserve, and people who suck or and/or don't even try get more than they deserve. The result is that no one gets what they deserve, which in turn means that hard work becomes meaningless.

Why do you think engineers get more money than cleaners? Because it is a much more difficult job requiring years of study, and it's boring for most people. Engineers are at the frontier of our civilisation, they make our technological society work and advance. So, there is a low supply and a high demand for engineers.

Anyone can fucking clean.

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>>133513028
why do marxists-leninist choose a state whilest they know that the state is a part of capitalism therefore not eradicating the entirety of capitalism.

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>>133525521

Communism comes after socialism

in socialism: From each according to their ability to each according to their contribution

>>133525734

A socialist state is not capitalist.

>>133523963
ebin

>>133525931
You didn't even read what I wrote.
>from each according to their ability to each according to their NEEDS
This is communism, and it's what makes hard work meaningless.

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>>133526039
pic related
>why your loser organizations still recieve funding

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>>133526039
a capitalist state makes use of the government to use violence when the bourgeosie feel threatend. so why woulndt the government in a socialist state use this power to their workers whilst it is directed from the socialist leaders?

>>133525734
Why are an-coms so naive and ignorant that they think a stateless society is the way to go?

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>>133526645
because a stateless society is the most free. also there is no participation towards the neo-liberal corporatist agenda which want to destroy culture and tradition via corporatism, and destroy personal lives by making them lazy via automation and UBI.

>>133526580
>using the bourgeoise/proletariat dichotomy in modern times
>yeah I read Marx once and then just ignored the next 150 years of economic theory

>>133526984
Most free? An anarchistic society is ruled by might.

Corporatism is bad, agreed. That's why we need competition and a small state, but no state at all is just Chimpanzee-land

>>133513028

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FAQ for washed liberal-morons, kekistani egdelord teenagers and normal people who simply do not know much about communism:

1. Communism is the USSR.
The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.

2.1. Why, then, does the Communists all the time refer to the USSR?
Because the USSR is our historical experience of the practical construction of a communist society. We highlight the positive aspects of the experience of the USSR and study the negative experience. It is also worthwhile to understand that the USSR is for us a certain significant Symbol.

2.2 Communism is a dictatorship
Under communism there are no classes, accordingly there is no dictatorship.

3. What about the dictatorship of the proletariat?
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of political power called upon to ensure the observance of the rights of the proletariat during the transition from capitalist society to communism.

4. But Stalin ...
With regard to the period of Stalin's rule, we can identify a lot of positive and negative aspects of his activities. But unfortunately, all-round propaganda has distorted the history of this period too much, therefore, without a comprehensive historical analysis of this period, it is impossible to draw unambiguous conclusions on the basis of ALL declassified documents.

5. And yet Stalin ...
We adequately perceive the figure of Stalin and treat him normally and without hysteria. Nevertheless, Stalin - though significant, but by no means the main figure of the communist movement.

6. What is the main figure, if not Stalin?
Marx

7. Ie you are not Communists, but Marxists?
Communism is part of Marx's teaching. At present, Marx's teaching has evolved into many directions. As for the precise definition, the terms "Communist" and "Marxist" often very much depend on the context.

8. Communism is the antithesis of democracy.
By no means. Communism is just a true democracy.

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

>>133527304
English, not that fucking degenerate version of the degenerate version of Latin

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>>133527027
in that sentence i was refering to the zionist and other super influential figures with billions in their pockets. the proletariat is everyone else.

be more specific about the second point, please.

>>133527261
how is it ruled by might?

>>133525734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ufTFRGPrCM

Nice """""""anarchism""""""""

>>133527375
>Strawman after strawman
Yeah you sure showed those liberals

And the good old
>it wasnt real communism
>there wouldnt have been any problems if everything was perfect
>if I was the dictator, I would have ushered in the Utopia in no time, and no Stalin figure would come and put an ice pick in my head

Still, equality of outcome = hard work/trying is meaningless

>>133518365
I always come for this.

Do you understand that such teoretics like you would be slouthered right after currend leaders ?

>>133527735
Reading Marx and then deciding your world view is not enough, you need to read and understand the 150 years of economic theory which came after too, which you obviously don't, lest you wouldn't be an ancom

>>133527900
It is ruled by might because there is no tule of law.

>>133527574
>Never be open for logic or contrary evidence
>essentially have blind faith
>fuck religion amirite?

>>133528041
Catalonia was completely surrounded by imperealists and fascists if they would not fight they would be dead. also anarchist oppose unjustifiable hyrarchies (like the state) the one presented here was during war times and thus justifiable.

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>>133519595
It's a failed state. But I don't see how state capitalism has anything to do with socialism

>>133529276
Are all hierarchies unjustified?

>>133528847
are you implying that i would be marxist then. bacause from what i know that theory doesnt workout so great. also then you would still have a state and it will be most definitly be influenced by the billionaire zionists.

>>133513865
Let me guess, third world shitholes aren't real capitalism.

>>133529649
Well it's still the same thing. Perhaps you read some anarchist literature instead, it doesn't matter - you still haven't read and understood economic theory if you are an anarcho-communist.

>>133529372
no, but the state definitly is

>>133529855
Every developing country (take Liberia for example) is doing better because of free enterprise and narket competition.

>>133518365
Doing gods work anon.

>>133529932
no i havent read all of it but i did read a fuck ton of left literature before i came to be a ancom

>>133528358
>If I was dictator etc etc
>accuses him of strawmen
Stop spamming this shitty meme from Jordan Peterson about Stalins being everywhere and all communists wanting to be dictators.

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A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.

>>133529276
The work camps were considered an integral part of the
“constructive work of the Spanish Revolution,” and many anarchosyndicalists took pride in the
“progressive” character of the reforms by the CNT Minister of Justice. The CNT recruited guards for
the “concentration camps,” as they were also called, from within its own ranks.

The weeds must be torn out by their roots. There cannot be and must not be pity for the
enemies of the people, but . . . their rehabilitation through work and that is precisely what the
new ministerial order creating “work camps” seeks. In Spain great irrigation canals, roads, and
public works must be built immediately

https://libcom.org/files/WorkersAgainstWork-Seidman_0.pdf

>>133513028
Commies will burn in a hell of capitalist creation. I'd literally pay money for you to suffer excruciating pain into all eternity. And I am not alone.

>>133513028
inbred NEET commie scum should be banned. Pushing an entirely Jewish propaganda political system should not be tolerated.

>>133530118
And when they go to shit, all of a sudden it's not real capitalism because it's probably communism's fault...

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"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism.

The principle has its roots in the way that capitalism manages its affairs. That is, each is rewarded according to how much he produces. Remuneration increases as the amount of labor contributed increases. However within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others. Socialism is said to remedy this by putting the means of production in common hands and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.

>>133530159
Well read a fuck ton of (classical) liberal literature then too.

I was a marxist, but then I started reading literature from the opposing side.

"He who knows only his own side of something, knows little of that"
- John Stuart Mill

>>133530298
That's not the "meme". It's not that every commie wants to be a dictator, it's that they are so naive not to understand that such centralized power is inherently corruptive, and that it doesn't take a million Stalins, just one.

>>133530586
Nope, when they go to shit it's because they suck.

>>133530394
the CNT was far from perfect as you stated. anarchists can be real violent even against the people they can just ignore or "throw out".

the CNT-FAI was anarchistic in a way, thats for sure.

>>133530551
fuck off capitalist pig, we need communism now !

>>133518365
fuggin kek

>>133530713
False. If they simply lived off of others then you would get some investment and start your own business. You're a loser with no business acumen, deal with it

>>133530713
>However within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others. Socialism is said to remedy this by putting the means of production in common hands and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.
And this is self-defeating. Marx somehow figured that taking the risk of investing, hiring and creating jobs is just "living off others' work".

This only applies if everyone was a freelancer, each taking the risk that employers take. But they take that risk so you don't have to, and that has value.

>>133530786
i have read some, and a lotof it really interested me.

im a anarchist, and i think in it of itself capitalism isnt bad, i think that in anarchism ancom and ancap can coexist (eventhough that would be highly unlikely since they hate eachother so much).

but every state has been part of agendas and campaigns that the individual people dont like. both state capitalism and state communism have been found guilty of this.

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>>133530378
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>>133518085
Are you fucking retarded? Capitalism is just the next stage after Feudalism. Both systems peasants/workers work on their nobles/capitalists land and machinery making products directly for the capitalist to sell/trade. Communism is economic democracy which unlike in feudalism/capitalism, they work for themselves. Communism is the next stage.

>At least the peasants didn't have to worry about starving and strong nations had the means to capture new territories with a strong army
Again you bring up the same nuanced nonsense. People living in the USSR had plenty to eat and one of the strongest militaries on Earth. The capitalists were so scared of the socialist military they had to form numerous nation alliances. Communism uplifted the peasants to citizens who no longer had to work for a noble or in the rest of the world's case, a capitalist. In fact, Capitalism was one of the worst things to happen to the the USSR. The established corporations of the West went in and bought everything out in Eastern Europe which is why to this day they still haven't recovered. A huge wealth transfer out of Eastern Europe no thanks to the free markets of crapitalism. Now you understand why Eastern Euros abhor crapitalism.

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>>133531116

The vanguard party can be purged of corruption by a marxist artificial intelligence, making it truly democratic this time around. I trust the machine more than the selfish prone human.

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>>133513164
fpbp

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>>133530713
>"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism.
yet all socialists today preach feminism

>>133530713
>within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others.
source? it seems you are taking for granted a belief in surplus "theft"
not everyone believes in that and there has never been presented proof of its existence

>>133532092

social democrats are capitalists

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>>133532087
yes they get trampled when they were starting up. and by whom you think

>>133531927
That's a fair point. I think a smaller state is ideal, a state which guarantees rule of law, working infrastructure and safety for its citizens. The rest gotta go

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>>133513028
>The penis loving Spaniard does it again.

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>>133513028
Commit suicide faggot

>>133531972
there is nothing stopping communists from competing against capitalists in the market
their products just suck

>>133532077
Cop-out miracle robot saviour

>>133532274
and who said antrhing about them?

>>133532308
by the people they betrayed

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A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

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>>133532583
Oh look, it's the copypastas.

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>>133532087
>...he laughs, as he is heartfelt by the gripping emotions of the history of Nazi Germany, which lasted 988 years too early and was driven into the ground despite how much money they took in from foreign banks

>>133532448
isnt it more that state communist build something for bare-bones purpose, instead of selling as much as they can?

>>133532517

you, the so called liberals in USA.

>>133532774
What's your fucking job.

>>133532583
>A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced
magical deus ex machina robot savior science fiction
>As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner.
Have you ever been around people on welfare with no job?
>Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.
No, it's a complete misunderstanding and negation of the Broken Window Paradox

>>133532913
>Have you ever been around people on welfare with no job?

Cheaters will be liquidated before reaching communism.

>>133532747
>build something cool
>lots of people want it
>make a lot of it so people give you a lot of stuff in return so you can buy cool things that you want but can't build yourself

cmon anon capitalism isn't that fucking hard to understand

>>133518365
I love you.

>>133533091
well at least i've finally met a communist that understands that a requirement for socialism and communism is killing the sick, old, retarded, and unmotivated

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>>133513028
My favorite activity involving filthy red commies

>>133533091
If you think your utopia is worth killing for, you should start with yourself.

>>133533091
I think we all know you are just another one of those lazy Spaniards.

>>133513028
You'are totally right, but it's not time yet for it, manking needs to take another 500-1000 years to finally to recognize that Comminism is the one way to maintain,save, keep and lead manking to the future.

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>>133532774
>no race, sex, gender or country
>let's destroy the races, the concept of natural gender, and national identites and cultures

Were you trying to prove that cultural marxism exists?

>muh cartoon catgirls

Get a free helicopter ride you communist faggot.

>>133531927
>i think in it of itself capitalism isnt bad
>state communism
I would normally just laugh at you for being an anarkiddie but you're a special kind of dummy

>>133533109
for cool stuff, capitalism is number one yes.

>>133533582
>pic

Proofs?

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Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash"

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>>133533585
i say state communism bacouse most people see it like that, but it is socialism i know.

capitalism isnt bad of an idea. but the zionist billionaires just get their filth on the monoply's of violence and the people are going to suffer immensely from this. if this system continues freedom would be unknown to the people of the future.

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>>133532448
Again, retarded argument. In communism, there is no currency. There is no need for currency because of material abundance. Products are not produced for the Capitalist to profit off of, products are produced as a necessity for the people. In fact during the Stalinist era, the USSR traded with the capitalist countries raw materials in exchange for machinery in order to industrialize as fast as possible. This is despite the capitalist nation's reluctance to do so. In fact, they were so successful in industrializing that they had the quickest industrialization period in history. As for product quality, you are arguing from the capitalist perspective. From the capitalists perspective the purpose of using workers to create products is to derive profit from consumers. The products are not meant to be used but sold. There is a difference because if they aren't sold then the consumer be damned and they're thrown away and wasted. This is an inherit flaw in the capitalism system, overproduction and waste. Back to the point, the best way to maximize profit is to create products that AREN'T built to last. You can see this with all capitalist products iphones, cars, appliances. If capitalists designed products to last they would LOSE profit. Workers in a communist system have an incentive to create long lasting products. A worker would rather spend 100 man hours creating a product that would last 10 years rather than working 100 man hours to create a product that only lasts 5 years. You can see this with Soviet products that are based on hardiness and ease of repair and military equipment still used to this day.

>>133534189
>communism
>it is socialism

>zionist billionaires
>that pic
I see now, you're just a special snowflake /pol/tard, carry on.

>>133534298
Nice fan-fiction.

>>133534428
have fun knowing your childeren will live off of UBI and be slaves of the global regime.

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>>133533905

it's a quote from a letter that was published in a French magazine called "La Revue de Paris" in 1928 long after Marx was dead. But it was written and sent to Marx way before that.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k176204.zoom.f574.langFR

>>133534298
You waste your time it's not for simpletons with low IQ. Capitalist is a derivative of animal nature of man where eveything serves to dophamine-satisfaction. Communism in the other side is designed for post-human era when AI become realit, robots replace human in all parts of life and so on

threadly reminded that communism always fails. America wouldn't be America today if Jamestown kept up their communist society where no one wanted to work because they weren't getting anything out of it. Switching to a capitalist society had men begging to work after that and score some sweet land. They wen't on to have surplus' of food for the winter, thanks to CAPITALISM

commies, I am sad for you.

>>133534298
>there is no need for currency because of material abundance

Excuse me? You faggots had a famine in the Ukraine, the Ukrainian topsoil is so fucking good the nazis used to transport it back to Germany yet through mismanagement you managed to have a fucking famine. You faggots couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. At this point I'd be happier if you just stayed on the dole and kept your mouths shut, it's either that or we're going to have to seriously consider using you as fertiliser

>>133534298
How are people this delusional? How do commiefags confront the fact that the vast majority of humans by nature have a natural desire to acquire that cannot be quenched? Like how do commiefags control for the human passions, jealousy, desire for recognition, natural inequality, and so on? I'm convinced that most commies have literally never read anything outside of a very particular reading of Marx that stems from a bunch of half baked scholars.

tl;dr commies are delusional and haven't read anything in the Western canon.
P.S. Marx is for people literally too stupid to read Hegel.

>>133536076
Capitalism collapses every 10 years without government intervention. Capitalism doesn't last.

Stalinist era:
>Industrialized the largest nation in quick time frame
>Defended against the most formidable military on Earth
>Became a super power and top competitor in the space race and arms race
>Yeltsin and Gorbachev killing the country from within with capitalist policies

>>133535681
Capitalism isn't human nature. The fact that a person can have so much paper notes they can purchase entire countries is absurd

>>133536122
>hurr durr hey guise if we put more seeds down that means more food!
commies are really stupid

>>133536452
>Capitalism collapses every 10 years without government intervention. Capitalism doesn't last.
oh, so it's working, the capitalist government is making the capitalist society work, yet communist governments always just genocide people .. hmmm

>>133536452
>unironically praising Stalinism

Drink bleach pls

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stop posting commie threads professor.

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>>133535681

You're defending an ideology that killed tens of millions of your predecessors, has never worked despite being implemented countless tmes, and you're posting in an unproductive thread that has been spammed on /pol/ every day for the last years, with discussion and arguments never leading anywhere since they'll just repost it tomorrow regardless. That's about low-IQ as it gets.

It's just that: an ideology, one that isn't practical, and the only way it will be practical is by adopting a "state capitalist" model, except with less freedom

>Communism in the other side is designed for post-human era
You got that right. Communists are literally anti-human and anti-nature.

>>133513028
Maybe work for a change, commie bastards

>>133518365
All time classic

>>133536452
Government intervention is what is ruining everything. When huge banks know they are going to be bailed out by the government, they don't care about risks so they throw shit everywhere.

If the banks were on their own, they wouldn't take risks like they did back in 2008.

>>133536122
Famine happened because they were trading excess food for machinery with capitalist countries. A drought happened which was extremely unlucky and unfortunate. They were feeding their entire nation and capitalist countries. Of course, once the drought happened they stopped trading.

>>133536583
>oh, so it's working, the capitalist government is making the capitalist society work
Guess the free market needs central planning and intervention to work :^)

>communist governments always just genocide people
>What is Nazi Germany, what is the US in Japan, what is the British in India
*yawn*

>>133513028
Socialism occurs naturally with the nuclear family

>>133531972
Feudal life was better in working hours and the divisione of history in stages is reductionist. Open a history book.

>>133536452
>Yeltsin and Gorbachev killing the country from within with capitalist policies

Sorry, but it's not. The ppl who killed it were these assholes in the top of communist party of soviet union who clamed themselves as true communists but they were as far away to describe themselves to it as earth from moon. Also it was worst attempt to try communism since the beginning. Fuck it, at least for another 1000 years, lets just recognize that modern society is not ready for communism

>>133519595
Ask the oil prices.

>>133536452
>Industrialized the largest nation in quick time frame
At the cost of millions of lives lol even implying the farm collectivisations were anywhere near successful
>Defended against the most formidable military on Earth
By burning the home country and sending millions of peasants as human shields
>Became a super power and top competitor in the space race and arms race
At the cost of millions of lives
And they lost too
>Yeltsin and Gorbachev killing the country from within with capitalist policies
Yeltsin and Gorbachev trying to stimulate the stagnated and failing economy
Essentially scooping water out of the Titanic with their bare hands

The fact that starvation in the USSR was so severe that authorities had to implore its citizens not to eat their own babies is wven more absurd

LYSENKOISM

>>133537900
Maybe anon but I can see what you mean. However capitalism is also starting to have noticeable problems. Absurd wealth inequality, rise in productivity with stagnation in wages, and increasing automation. What is going to happen to the workers once machines do all the work? These are problems that need a discussion.

Stalin did nothing wrong.

>>133538213
Wealth inequality is not a problem. The problem is poverty, but of course you as a commue would rather see everyone poor than some rich and some okay.

ITT: LARPing Nazis, Ancap memers and Cold War brainwashed idiots that may as well have voted for the warmonger criminal Hillary Clinton

>>133538663
Hillary is a shitstained corrupt crypto-collectivist defender of a rapist, so no.

>>133537071
I'm not. It slightly interests me only from a philosophy point of view

>>133538804
Liberalism is individualism dumbo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgzrI1okwrQ

>>133539017
I said crypto-collectivist, which means they pose as something else but their policies are in the end collectivist. "Crypto" means "secretely". In Hilldog's case, it's "liberalism".

>>133539572
Collectivism is patriotism, nationalism and yes, socialism. Individualism is the cancer that brought down society.

>>133538663
>voting for career politicians
it's like you're asking to get fucked

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>>133537989
Ok I'll bite
>At the cost of millions of lives lol even implying the farm collectivisations were anywhere near successful
Population growth in the USSR was high besides during WW2. From simple mathematics agriculture had to be successful to support such growth

>By burning the home country and sending millions of peasants as human shields
Scorched Earth is a legitimate strategy when you have a lot of land. Like Sun Tzu said, if you can defeat the enemy without a shot fired, it is a great success. Ahh taking your historical military education from hollywood films, good style

>At the cost of millions of lives And they lost too
Again, population growth was high. Soviets had first dog in space, first man in space, first satellite in space. Americans still rely on the Russians to get to space lol

>Yeltsin and Gorbachev trying to stimulate the stagnated and failing economy
They purposely tried to crash the country by trying to integrate capitalist policies into the socialist country.

>The fact that starvation in the USSR was so severe that authorities had to implore its citizens not to eat their own babies is wven more absurd
Muh lampshades and soap

>>133517818
>humane
>over 100 million dead
It is easy to spot a delusional person who never actually lived in such a regime

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>>133513028
>good goy communism
sage

cucks

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>>133540425
>cucks

We are the only anti-cucks in town.

>>133539638
Individualism is what brought the West out of serfdom and turned it into capitalist democracies

How do i get laid in communism? If everyone has a job and is generally well off, there wont be any hookers anymore. (Serious)

>>133540010
>Population growth in the USSR was high besides during WW2. From simple mathematics agriculture had to be successful to support such growth
From simple history we know that the collectivisation of agriculture was disastrous. *cough* holodomor *cough*. But sure, as long as the population is growing, a few tens of million deaths by famine, forced labour and just sheer neglect is fine.

>Scorched Earth is a legitimate strategy when you have a lot of land. Like Sun Tzu said, if you can defeat the enemy without a shot fired, it is a great success. Ahh taking your historical military education from hollywood films, good style
Burning the homes of millions of citizens is okay when you have alot of land. If you can defeat your enemy by killing your own team (of course without firing a single shot) then you are a master tactician. It's not from (((hollywood)))


>Again, population growth was high. Soviets had first dog in space, first man in space, first satellite in space. Americans still rely on the Russians to get to space lol
Yeah because if you can take resources from infrastructure, agriculture, housing etc. and just pour it into the military and space industry to essentially beat your chest a few times, it's fucking fine yeah?

>They purposely tried to crash the country by trying to integrate capitalist policies into the socialist country.
>I know the mind of former statesmen

>Muh lampshades and soap
>millions dead by starvation and forced labour is irrelevant cuz muh dog in space

>>133540879

Find a girlfriend? or get a virtual one.

>>133541891
What would a girlfriend need me for? Its not like i have anything going for me, money at least gives me a fair chance. Virtual isnt quite the real experience.

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>>133540798
Marxism is more individualistic than capitalism. Marxism is economic democracy. You work for yourself first most and the betterment of society, not for a capitalist's profit. Less working time for all because less inefficiency and product waste allowing you to pursue your interest and enjoying the fruits of society from artists. No more capeshit and explosions. More intellectual and artistic forms of media. The individualism the west has is cancer and has brought you all these degenerate egoist activities. Besides having collectivism isn't bad, humans evolved with social cooperation and unity.

>>133540879
You can get yourself a communist waifu anon

>Anon, come smash capitalism with me :3

Instead of some commodified materialistic ruined woman

>>133540556
>taking the risk of starting a business so that every worker doesn't have to be a freelancer with 0 security, investing, creating jobs, coming up with new ideas, outsmarting competitors etc.
>living off other peoples work

Oh you commies, you've obviously never run a business, or taken responsibility

>>133542535
Anon watch this, it addresses the "Self-made capitalist" argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bstNmYvxdXg

>>133542291
I agree with the economic point of view. With modern computers and stuff, planned economy should be more productive than free market. However, abolition of hierarchies and patriarchy is not a good thing imho. Thats kind of what human culture is based upon.

>>133542291
A communist economy ensures nobody gets what they deserve. People who work hard get less than they deserve, people who work less get more than they deserve. A cleaner gets more per skill&effort than a doctor, a doctor who has to study for years and then be available long hours.

No fuck that right? Just give him a couple bucks so that he can have some netflix and chill

Undeserved reward is meaningless reward. Undervalued work is meaningless work.

>>133543190
To be honest, i would rather study for years and be a doctor than be a cleaner, even if it paid the same. If you would rather be the cleaner then, we already have a doctor and a cleaner, looking good.

In communism, refusing to work is a crime tho, am i right?

>>133532574
they didn't betray anyone you fucking kike they saved the Bolsheviks in the civil war and after it they had a treaty with them but that vodaknigger lenin back stabbed them

>>133542668
No, you fucking write out that argument, I'm not gonna sit 8 minutes litsening to a stuttering Finnish virgin

>>133543597
Yeah you might, but most people don't want to work for charity. That's ironically kind of the point with comemeism to begin with.

>>133542729
That's all marxism is though, just an economic point of view. USSR still had hierarchy with the father as the head of the household and generals and officers. Otherwise everyone would be a soldier. The most important thing is just trying to get rid of the absurd hierarchies like the capitalist parasite class who dominate our world with less legitimacy to do so than even in monarchies. Traditionalists can agree with me here.

>>133543190
I can say the same thing for capitalism. In capitalism workers who work hard in tough conditions that get cancer and other health problems yet do the most meaningful work get less than they deserve. Capitalists who game the system and exploit workers get much much much more than they deserve.

>>133542291
>>133542668
What do you think about the fact that Communism is Jewish?

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>>133530586
Except that one can correctly argue that point. Capitalism empirically works and is the cause of all of the most wealthy and powerful states, ever.

You can't say the same thing for communism

>>133544086
Both capitalism and communism are Jewish.

Under Communism, the people and the economy exist to serve the State.

Under Capitalism, the people and the state exist to serve the Economy.

Under National Socialism, the economy and the state exist to serve the People.

>>133544086
The communists in my city are all queerfeminist and just generally meh. I think they are a bunch of idealists who want to change the superstructure first. Kind of sucks.

>>133544039
For charity? I think if i was a doctor i would get much more respect from peers and attention from women than if i was a cleaner. Thats not really for charity.

>>133544723
>The communists in my city are all queerfeminist and just generally meh.
That's because Communism is inherently anti-White.

Communism is anti-White because Communism is Jewish.

>>133544086
>do the most meaningful work
No. Sure it is meaningful and needed, but the fact that it most people can do it with little training makes the supply of workers huge, and the labour becomes less valuable.

You know, prices vary on different products/services for a reason. A product/service that is highly demanded/needed but scarce is expensive because paying more is the only guarantee you have of getting that scarce and needed product/service. If the product/service is abundant, the price goes down because the risk of losing out on it is lower.

You commies always miss ECONOMICS.

>>133544811
You can't eat respect or pussy

oh wait scratch that last one

Respect is not a commodity, you labour is, money is, resources are.

>>133544931

In communist society, no one would want to do those jobs so the demand would be high. We would have to offer extra vacation and bonus payment to those people who, for example, work in a mine.

>>133543597
If you don't work you wouldn't get your necessities. In order to take, you need to give.

>>133543745
Lol sure I'll try to sum it up. The argument is you need capital to make capital. Most capitalists were born into wealth. Thus creating additional wealth requires less risk and is easier than a person that has nothing. The story of a poor person taking a loan or saving capital and getting lucky by being a successful entrepreneur is equivalent to winning the lottery and is rare. Instead most capitalists have parents who were capitalists. The belief that capitalists deserve all this money simply from exploiting workers and gaming the system is about as cucked as the belief that nobles deserve to work their serfs because they are of noble blood and have noble role model worthy traits. They use their wealth to ensure their position at the expense of both the nation and the people. They even use it to advance their beliefs like certain people (George Soros). All wars since the elimination of monarchy in favor of capitalist systems have been for capitalist wars instead of trying to strengthen the nation, tribe, or people. We are in the Middle East for oil profits. We are in Latin America for their dependency on our currency and products. It's sad really.

>>133544161
>>133544479
Stalin purged a lot of the Jews. In communism, workers exist to enrich themselves, not the capitalists. In Capitalism, the workers and state exist to serve the Capitalist class.

>>133545198
>In communist society, no one would want to do those jobs so the demand would be high.
That and because they'd all be dead due to starvation.

>We would have to offer extra vacation and bonus payment to those people who, for example, work in a mine.
Or you'd just throw them into the mine and force them to work otherwise they'd get sent to the gulag or just get executed on the spot.

>>133545155
Well, we already have food overproduction so i think i wouldnt have to starve. And if my job earns me respect, that would suffice for me as a motivation to keep doing it. Remember, laboring time will be reduced, so it wont be that bad.

>>133545375
>Stalin purged a lot of the Jews.
Communism was created by Jews.

Karl Marx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Childhood_and_early_education:_1818.E2.80.931836
http://archive.is/rwTdC
>Ancestrally Ashkenazi Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

Leon Trotsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotski#Childhood_and_family_.281879.E2.80.931895.29
http://archive.is/xMRhM
>He was the fifth child of eight of well-to-do Jewish farmers, David Leontyevich Bronshtein and his wife Anna Bronshtein. The family was Jewish but reportedly not religious.

Putin: First Soviet Government was Mostly Jewish
http://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150
http://archive.is/uNDV5

Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html
http://archive.is/y5Pr8

>Stalin purged a lot of the Jews.
Stalin's Jews purged a lot of people.

Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
http://archive.is/WAARm

Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR
https://darkmoon.me/2015/stalins-willing-executioners-jews-hostile-elite-ussr/
http://archive.is/NaSDY

> In communism, workers exist to enrich themselves,
In Communism the goyim exist to enrich the Jews.

>In Capitalism, the workers and state exist to serve the Capitalist class.
Who are by in large Jews or otherwise doing Jewish will.

Capitalism is just as Jewish as Communism is.

i came to this thread looking for some funny communist memes i could share to LARP as a commie but i have to say, you guys have no sense of humour unlike ancaps

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>>133545937
>Communism was created by Jews

They also killed and hated Judaism. See Karl Marx's "On the Jewish Question"

>>133545198
Nobody wants to do mining work, that's why the demand IS high. A miner in America makes $32K - $87K (median $65K) per year. That's a good salary.

>>133546096
>and hated Judaism.
Anti-Semitism
https://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
http://archive.is/XxRXf
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues
http://henrymakow.com/001913.html
http://archive.is/hcyTf

>See Karl Marx's
Karl Marx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Childhood_and_early_education:_1818.E2.80.931836
http://archive.is/rwTdC
>Ancestrally Ashkenazi Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

>>133545198
This is a good point. Also I want to add that prices and value in a capitalist system are completely subjective. The product is valued at whatever arbitrary number the capitalist wants to sell it for and whatever number the consumer is willing to pay. Example, in an auction a painting can go for millions of dollars. Compare that to water which we need to survive is extremely low. Is a painting as valuable as a cup of water? Of course not.

>>133544723
Yah idpol and this new breed of leftist is bad for us all, ironically probably just a product of porky.

>>133546167
West Virginia is one of our poorest states. All that wealth from coal mining leaves the workers hands and goes to the capitalists. This is a sad tragedy.

>>133546297
>As early as 1907, Stalin wrote a letter differentiating between a "Jewish faction" and a "true Russian faction" in Bolshevism.[20][21] Stalin's secretary Boris Bazhanov stated that Stalin made crude antisemitic outbursts even before Lenin's death.[20][22] It's also possible that Stalin's attitudes towards Trotsky, a Russian Jew, may have influenced his views of Jews in general. Stalin adopted antisemitic policies which were reinforced with his anti-Westernism.[23][note 1] Since antisemitism was associated with Nazi Germany and was officially condemned by the Soviet system, the Soviet Union and other communist states used the cover-term "anti-Zionism" for their antisemitic policies
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
>Inb4 hurr hurr wikipedia

If you're going to believe the Soviet Union on their words vs their actions, then there is a certain (((event))) that you technically can't deny.

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>>133546590
>Idpol is bad
>It was da pigs

Idpol was always central to communist revolutions.

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>>133546096
Interesting quote by Marx

>>133546847
Only as far as the working class and the artificial capitalist class. Feminism and all these other neo-leftist phenomenon only exist to divide and sabotage.

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>>133546712
Yes, Stalin eventually got sick and tired of the Jews shit. Still though, Stalin used Jews to kill many people.

It doesn't discount the fact that Communism was created by the Jews. Communism is inherently Jewish.

>If you're going to believe the Soviet Union on their words vs their actions, then there is a certain (((event))) that you technically can't deny.
I can absolutely continue to deny the holocaust because there is literally zero evidence for the holocaust. The USSR was responsible for a lot of the bullshit propaganda and lies that came out of the holyhoax.


>>133546984
Interesting quote about Marx.

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>tfw small business-owner
Maybe if you'll try REALLY hard Manuel, you'll get to make my cortado at Costa coffee someday, don't give up commie!

>>133545375
Of course, going 0-100 is damn hard (it's possible though), sure. And sure, most workers might not be able to become billionaires, you need education and all that. But what the workers can do, is make sure their children can study, and their children can make sure their chindren can study. And it's not equivalent of winning the lottery. There are more self-made wealthy people (doesn't have to be billionaire, $100K/year is wealtht) than lottery winners.

>exploiting the workers
This meme is dead. We have class mobility.

>>133545461
It's irrelevant that you are refueled by respect. It's not enough for the vast majority of people.

>>133547195
Feminism and the pseudo Marxist post modernist movements are only forms of idpol, idpol is something inherent to politics on the macro scale.

The image of the ideal communist man/woman is an important part of the mythology which drives communists and any other forms of Marxism. As stated before , there is always a degree of idpol an everything. Even movements which attempt to be explicitly against idpol engage in a form of identity politics whether they are aware of it or not.

>>133547451
By definition, for every capitalist, thousands of workers have to exist to prop them up. Not everyone can be a capitalist. It's not class mobility, it's class exchange, it's a diminishing middle class, it's a greater worker class-upper class divide. These are the fruits of capitalism.

>>133547313
>It doesn't discount the fact that Communism was created by the Jews. Communism is inherently Jewish.

Communism has a divide between jewish and goyish, as evidenced between the infighting between Trotsky and Stalin. It's judaized af, sure, but it is not a purely jewish idealogy.

>>133546590
>This is a good point. Also I want to add that prices and value in a capitalist system are completely subjective. The product is valued at whatever arbitrary number the capitalist wants to sell it for and whatever number the consumer is willing to pay. Example, in an auction a painting can go for millions of dollars. Compare that to water which we need to survive is extremely low. Is a painting as valuable as a cup of water? Of course not.
Values ARE subjective. The price is a synthesis of A) the production value + the risk of the business owner and all that jazz and B) how much people are willing to pay for it/how much they want&need it.
Water is abundant as fuck in the West, a particular painting of Claude Monet comes in 1 copy. And what, you're telling me art is not valueable all of a sudden after preaching about having less work hours to be able to do art and stuff?

Again, you commues always miss ECONOMICS. You only look at the production value, which is not viable.

If I spend 100 hours creating a statue with expensive material, which turns out to be a repulsive smelling piece of garbage, it won't be valuable because people won't fucking pay for it. It doesn't matter if I spent 100 hours, or 10 years. The production value does not constitute price. It's production value and demand

Supply and fucking demand bruh, this is BASIC economics

>>133548392
>but it is not a purely jewish idealogy.
Absolutely it is. It's soulless, materialist, murderous, pro-Jew and anti-White.

Sounds Jewish to me.

Communism was Jewish - Communism is Jewish
http://controversyofzion.info/communism_was_jewish.htm
http://archive.is/SRRIz

Communism's Death Toll, and the Jewish Role in Bolshevism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY

Sources on Jews and Communism
https://archive.org/details/SourcesOnJewsAndCommunism_700

Under the Sign of the Scorpion - Jewish Communists
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lZj1emEb1-g

>>133546590
Oh yeah miners are still Well Off in capitalist America

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Miner/Hourly_Rate

I just read the "Dialectic of Sex" by Shulamith Firestone. Its one hell of a ride boys, i can only recommend reading it, if only for pure entertainment purpose.

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>>133548899
I love how they either sidestep your arguments or just stop replying to you when you make a couple good points. Maybe we should start having these threads on /leftypol/ so they can't run away.

>>133548752
Art is valuable, but not a necessity as food water and shelter. It's just subjective to try to put a price tag on everything because even between people, some things are more valuable than others. Value is inherently built into communism. People have needs and wants. Planners allocate production accordingly. Capitalism is trial and error trying to make random garbage and seeing if it sticks.

>>133548824
Capitalism is also soulless, materialist, murderous, pro-Jew and anti-White. What is your solution?

>>133548899
Why is West Virginia so miserably poor and impoverished? Why have capitalists shipped many manufacturing jobs overseas? Why are white males killing themselves off in droves and why is there a massive opioid epidemic?

is /pol/ finally embracing communism?

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>>133549584
>Capitalism is also soulless, materialist, murderous, pro-Jew and anti-White. What is your solution?
National Socialism, duh.

What, you think I was flying this flag to trigger you?


>>133549750
>is /pol/ finally embracing communism?
Fuck that anti-White, Jewish ideology.

>>133549750
It's happening Comrade

>>133549522
What's up comrade, have any questions?

>>133549841
National Socialism in it's form in Germany was also murderous and anti-White. I'm just discussing the economic sides of it. Nazi Germany was propped up by bankers.

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>>133550088
>National Socialism in it's form in Germany was also murderous and anti-White.
Lies and slander.

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>>133549584
>Planners allocate production accordingly.

>>133550088
>I'm just discussing the economic sides of it.
Adolf Hitler and the German Economic Miracle
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQu3ovIlPh4

Adolf Hitler's Economic Reform
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_r9Z-hTn1r4

Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in 1930s Germany - Germà Bel
http://ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

The Economic Plan of the NSDAP - Rodney Martin
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

Fascist Economics and Socialism of Duty [How National Socialism is Different from Marxist Socialism]
https://archive.is/7CUMq

The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation - Gottfried Feder
http://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation

Hitler's Coup: The German War Against Globalism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=epw-rISDJSE

Hitler's Economic Miracle
https://pridecomethbeforeafall.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/hitlers-economic-miracle/
https://archive.is/hTgO2

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy
https://youtube.com/watch?v=O99fWf_UIWs

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy - Mark Weber
http://ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html
https://archive.is/XKACi

Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest-Slavery - Gottfried Feder
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery1919

National Socialist Economics
http://pastebin.com/PPsmxdiK

National Socialist German Economic Policy
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-1-june-15th-2013
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-2-june-22nd-2013
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-3-june-29th-2013

The Program of the NSDAP the National Socialist Workers' Party and its General Conceptions
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFeder_TheProgramOfTheNSDAP

>>133550088
>I'm just discussing the economic sides of it.
The Role of Private Property in Nazi Germany - Jonas Scherner
http://aryanism.net/downloads/books/buchheim-scherner/the-role-of-private-property-in-the-nazi-economy.pdf

Social Welfare in Germany - Werner Reher
https://archive.org/details/SocialWelfareInGermany

Terramare Publications #11 - German Economic Policy - Wilhem Baur
https://archive.org/details/GermanEconomicPolcy

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
It wasn't real gommunism. Move on to next country and try again :DDD

>>133550088
>Nazi Germany was propped up by bankers.
Hitler Arrested Baron Louis De Rothschild
http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2015/09/hitler-arrested-baron-louis-de-rothschild-2449826.html
https://archive.is/tYZyn

Hitler versus Rothschild
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wk7F3OYhp4Q

Hitler Was Not a Rothschild or a Zionist Agent
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/hitler-was-not-rothschild-or-zionist-agent

Hitler's Speech Against the International Bankers, Warmongers, England
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3aKE4M5bk

How Hitler Defied the International Bankers
https://archive.org/details/HowHitlerDefiedTheInternationalBankers

>>133550246
>what is ww2

american education

>>133549750
No, it's just larping NEET cucks from leftypol and plebbit, as always.

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>>133550088
>Nazi Germany was propped up by bankers.
Forgot to add this.

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>>133513028
Gas yourself and your Antifa-faggot friends

>>133513028
This "society's final form" bullshit is a Jewish lie. Never has communism done anything but lead to poverty and death.

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white pride world wide

>>133550246
>WWII
>1933
Syrian education everybody

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>>133550088
Don't you ever try to come here and spread your kike commie lies ever again, you stupid faggot.

/pol/ is and always will be a NatSoc board.

>>133550979
Was meant for you >>133550516
Sauce: http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/drm/009/2.pdf

>>133550246
More so than capitalism. Planners use statistics, mathematics, data, and rationalism to determine how much products are needed. With all the supercomputers we have now, this is much more possible. Capitalism is inherently inefficient and wasteful. There is a certain amount of products the population will need. Different companies will try to make as much products as possible and greatly overshoot that actual amount. The rest of the goods are wasted and burned. Along with the products, workers time and labor is wasted that could have been used created other products. In the capitalist world, not everyone even gets food.

>>133549584
>Art is valuable, but not a necessity as food water and shelter. It's just subjective to try to put a price tag on everything because even between people, some things are more valuable than others. Value is inherently built into communism. People have needs and wants. Planners allocate production accordingly. Capitalism is trial and error trying to make random garbage and seeing if it sticks.
Yeah because a few officials know what people want and need, and it's not like we've seen the horrendous results of price controls historically *cough* bread lines *cough*

Water is essential, but it is also really abundant
Food is essential, not as abundant, but still very abundant
Art is really valuable to some, not abundant at all.

Value changes, values are by their definition subjective. Stuff like food and water is pretty uniformally valued, but the rest is not. The difference between a capitalist producing some shit and seeing if it will sell, and planners producing stuff and deciding that it will sell is the size of the investment. The capitalist doesn't know, he must go by trial and error until he succeeds and he's using his own money so he doesn't go all in. The planners decide and put everything on the table - historically this has resunted in shortages and famines.

There is nothing wrong with trial and error, it's how you learn goddamnit the scientific method is based on trial and error basically. However, there is plenty wrong with planned economies and their tendency to fail miserably.

They have shipped manufacturing jobs overseas because it's cheaper, duh. I don't necessarily think manufacturers should be allowed to outsource, on the other hand it improves the lives of many shitskins by giving them jobs so that they don't starve and come here

>>133551135
>In the capitalist world, not everyone even gets food.
That is very ironic coming from a judeo communist, lmao!

Because no one ever starved in a communist country, right?

>inb4 "that wasn't real communism!"

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Just leaving this one here

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>>133551539
Of course there is a difference between National Socialism and the judeo socialism you anti-Whites promote.


"As a National Socialist, how would you define the difference between a National Socialist and a Communist?"
http://americannaziparty.com/news/archives.php/%3CFORM%20ENCTYPE=?report_date=2011-06-09
https://archive.is/ome51

The Differences Between Socialism and National Socialism
http://differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/the-differences-between-socialism-and-national-socialism/
https://archive.is/80pgh

How National Socialism is Different from Marxist Socialism
https://archive.is/7CUMq

>>133551135
>Planners use statistics, mathematics, data, and rationalism to determine how much products are needed.
But not real time feedback in the form of prices. Capitalist economies are more efficient because the people who produce things have more data at their disposal. I'm not going to starve to death because some bureaucrat forgot to allocate enough food for--
>muh magical supercomputer robot saviours
Oh it's this asspull again. You should have put that at the beginning of your post so it would be easier for people to disregard it.

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>>133551019
You can't even control all the ancaps and libertarians.

>>133551967
>You can't even control all the ancaps and libertarians.
They don't have the truth on their side. We do.

You're relegated to one faggot thread that you yourselves have to create.

We're everywhere else.

Fuck off you anti-White faggot.

>>133551967

I certainly see more ancap and lolsnek flags than nazi flags

>>133513028
Reporting in Comrade!!
A spectre is haunting /pol/!

>>133552127
>literal nazi
>we have the truth
H A

>>133550439
>400 million
wew lad
Also, "national socialism" is legal in the US and some other countries (e.g. Greece).

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>>133552368
>A spectre is haunting /pol/!

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>>133552368

>>133552539
Nazism is still shunned more than Communism which has more blood, more torture, more slavery, more famine etc. on its hands

Which is pretty weird

>>133531242
>not real capitalism

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>>133552762
Yeah, you'd think they would actually act on the bullshit propaganda they spew about the torture, blood, slavery and famine.

But I suppose it's awkward to take firm stances on the issue when you're supporting dictatorships, religious fundamentalists and fascist states, overthrow democratically elected governments, while the commies are actually protecting the largest democracy in the world.

Fix your brain you broken fuck.

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>>133551320
I'll give you an example why capitalism by itself cannot work. Food. Farming efficiency and productivity has skyrocketed to the point everyone can be fed. Supply and demand theory along with the simple fact that people cannot over consume food (unless your a capitalist burgerfat) and the fact that corporations want to create as much product as possible to sell as much leads to a free fall in prices. There is more food than mouths, in a desperate attempt to sell their product they try to outdo each other on lower prices until the prices reach a threshold at which producing food doesn't become profitable. The government steps in and creates an artificial scarcity by burning excess food to keep prices competitive so the farmers can stay in business and the entire country doesn't collapse from a famine. It's a fucking circle of absurdism because capitalism by itself cannot survive. It's like putting a bandage over a bandage so the first bandage doesn't fall off and then another bandage so that bandage doesn't fall off.

>>133551928
Any failure to plan enough food is a failure in part of the planner, not of the system.

>>133552239
Must be from the influx of T_D plebbitors

>>133513865
Kys

>>133553182
most American "nazis" are just proletariat being exploited by bourgeoisie masters spreading degenerate ideas

>>133553327
>I'll give you an example why capitalism by itself cannot work. Food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0CiLBM1o8

Thanks capitalism for making us not fucking addicted to the fucking government, you fucking stupid piece of shit.

>>133553053
Nope, it is real capitalism. They just lose when they suck, as you do.

Liberia and others are doing great though

>>133527304
Tranquízate camarada, este yonkie de mierda no te va a entender nada, tranquilo. Que ya morirá el puto traidor de nuestra raza

>>133552762
Neither Stalin nor Mao, the biggest Marxist-Leninist mass murderers, caused anything like the Holocaust (industrial genocide) or WWII. Stalin killed 10 million or so by non-propaganda estimates, and Mao killed 20-30 million, with some of that being natural disaster.

>>133553182
>reverse holocaust denier
Nice man, just throw The Gulag Archipelago and history out the window

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>>133518365
¡Viva España Camarada!

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>>133553700
>the next Venezuela is praising capitalism

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>the face you make when the true people rise up

>>133553685
wow... this looks exactly like what Castro was working on deploying throughout Cuba

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>>133551135
>In the capitalist world, not everyone even gets food.
>Pot meets kettle

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>>133553870
I will, thank you. Solzhenitsyn incited sedition during wartime, which would get him killed elsewhere, spent his sentence in tolerable conditions, got his cancer treated, and then wrote a bunch of bullshit about 66 million victims.

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>then we were all like

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>>133513028
Communism doesn't work.

>>133553970
What American and Cold War propaganda usually won't mention is that the revolutionaries in Hungary were mostly other socialists and communists. If the Soviet Union hadn't interfered there'd be a much more humane socialist state there.

>>133553327
Ever heard of export?

Also
>capitalism cannot work, but planned economy will work and save everyone
>tfw capitalism works and communism has never worked anywhere

>>133554131
>implying
O la vittoria, o tutti accoppati.

>>133553507
Le boogeyman bourgeoisie

>>133553909
>the next venezuela
What?

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isn't ironic that commie tried to bribe his way out to the mob?

>>133554131
not an argument

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>>133554375
No really, I didn't see any country with socialism that works, imagine communism.

>>133554429
>"we are the 99%"
>what does it even mean?
>boogeyman
sure thing kiddo... wageslave til the day you die

>>133554103
>unironically reverse holocaust denying
Yeah you're great man.

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>>133554247
oh but they did :)

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>>133553327
>Any failure to plan enough food is a failure in part of the planner, not of the system.
If the system removes my agency and ability to produce or otherwise acquire my own food and forces me to depend on the planner or starve, then there is a problem with the system.

>>133554575
Venezuela is a welfare capitalist state, only 20% of its workers are employed by the government. It depended on oil revenues, oil price took a shit, and so did their economy.

Welfare capitalism is unsustainable, Nordic model a shit, and Nordic countries are next, basically. That's why you're importing so many immigrants, btw.

>>133554865
Natalya Reshetovskaya, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's first wife, wrote in her memoirs that "The Gulag Archipelago" was based on "campfire folklore" as opposed to objective facts. She wrote that she was perplexed that the Western media had accepted The Gulag Archipelago as "the solemn, ultimate truth", saying its significance had been "overestimated and wrongly appraised".

>>133554736
Cuba survived half a century being embargoed by USA. Most other countries wouldn't last a week.

>>133513028
>that pic

Communism is the ultimate politically correct ideology.

>>133554827
Lol I have no problem making $50K/year by contributing to the further advancement of our technological infrastructure.

>>133555229
I thought cubans hated their country so much that they ran away and eventually were happy with Fidel's death.

>>133555099
>>133555229
exactly this... the United States has spent years absolutely ravaging countries that attempt Socialism

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>>133555301

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what's your beef with swallows?

>>133555317
The reactionary portion, yes. They also unironically complained about how Castro was terrible, because he seized their grandparents silver mine.

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>>133555301

Yes, communism offends no one.

>>133555513
Interesting, I might check more of this since I'm kinda ignorant to that.

>>133555466
They are anti-revolutionary.

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>>133554957
You can produce your own food. You are so mentally cucked with the capitalist mindset from working for and buying from capitalists you cannot possibly grasp working for yourself. Whether for subsistence agriculture or industrial agriculture.

>>133555099
>implying I support the welfare system in my country
>Implying welfare isn't crypto-marxism
>implying the North, despite its neo-marxism is as retarded as socialist Venezuela

>>133555306
and people like Warren Buffet make $6,000 a minute for "managing" your money... communism when?

>>133555397
>he's still desperately trying to fit into a politically incorrect board

Communism is the ultimate politically correct ideology.

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>>133554575
Ooooh, te irony, a commie faggot swede
The average of the swede is that, right? Normal then be led by fucking feminists. Come on and I wish your country would go to hell. Traitor

>>133555634
Expect it to be a theme that people complaining about violence done to them by communist regimes are actually horrendous pieces of shit that deserved worse.

Except Democratic Kampuchea. That was a CIA op.

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>>133555132
You didn't copy the rest of the Wikipedia paragraph lol

>>133555701
well they invented the word

>>133555624
Communism is the number 1 socially acceptable go-to ideology for anyone with slightly above average IQ.

Communism is the ultimate politically correct ideology.

>>133555881
This.

Communism is the ultimate politically correct ideology.

>>133555881
It just meant toeing the party line back then. I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing.

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>>133555686
>Classcucks will vehemently defend this

>>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class.

...sigh

>>133555686
I really don't mind people getting rich by being smart and working hard. I buy stocks too and I've made a handsome bunch in a year. If I commit I could probably become a millionaire, and you too.

>>133555660
>agriculture is collectivized
>produce my own food anyway
>farm is seized, my family and I are sent to gulag
And what if I don't want to be a farmer just to survive? What if I want to produce something else, sell it, and use the profit to buy things I need, like food? How the fuck do I benefit from having no economic agency?

>>133555861
>Except Democratic Kampuchea.
So there is a low even tankie scum won't stoop to!

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>Look at those poor socialist citizens in breadlin- Oh wait that's America-uh real capitalism hasn't been tried yet

>>133513028
Too bad you didn't starve with all the other millions of communists throughout history. You people are morons.

>>133556337
>I really don't mind people getting rich by being smart and working hard.
We don't either.
>I buy stocks too and I've made a handsome bunch in a year.
That's profiting from others working hard and amounts to theft of wages.

>>133556337
yes in capitalism we all become millionaires if we just apply ourselves... I made $50k a year one comment ago... but I have millionaire potential
>being this delusional
>wageslave til the day you die

>>133555795
>a commie faggot swede
I've been arguing against communism for hours now

Good job Mein Führer

>>133556251
i-it's part of the historical progress
n-now get back to the obshchina before the boss hears you