Anti-Net Neutrality Thread

Reddit has inflitraded

>companies with higher traffic need to pay higher fees to ISPs
>companies need to raise their prices
>lose customer and advertisers
I don't see a problem. If ISP start to sell netflix amazon google packages and ask more from the end customer, well I will not use those sites then.

>>133489142

People can pay for premium content directly anyway.

burger retards lmao

>>133489142
because your isp is already changing you for bandwidth? if you're paying for 100Mbps, you shouldn't be being told that your 100Mbps internet is 100Mbps* see footnotes below

* except for Netflix, HBO, YouTube (add the media package for $20.00** extra per month)

** does not include subscription to Netflix, HBO or YouTube Red

>>133489142
>>133489567
it also allows an ISP to shutdown the competition

use Comflix for FREE or pay an extra $20.00 per month for the unrestricted media speeds for Netflix!

>>133489567

People that buy bundles deserve to get fucked in the ass.

>even 4chan
They really don't know anything about this place

>>133489724
you won't have a choice if you want to use those services retard

that's the point

they'll sell you bandwidth and then tell you the bandwidth comes with stipulations and that unless you pay for our stupid bundle, you can't properly use your bandwidth

it's anticompetitive double dipping bullshit that u retard burgers keep buying into

>>133488817
"Join the Day of Action for Net Neutrality, or else we may all end up banned from 4chan."

The mods disagree, pack ur bags faggot.

>>133490136
Mods = Gods

>>133489567
As I said, if they charge I don't use. And hopefully it ends the whole active-x and java script faggot shit. Can't wait too browse slim websites again where their isn't a video automatically playing and a moose dancing around who tries to sell you a new dishwasher

>>133488817
For or against net neutrality?

Im not sure, does it even affect people in europe?

I think its necessary because else providers would throttle certain sites.

>>133489988
>anti competitive
sure.

>>133488817
Who is this 4 chan?

Without Net Neutrality there is no free market on the internet. Do you think Facebook could have dethroned MySpace as the go-to social website if Facebook had become known for how long it takes to load? With net neutrality gone, the big websites would always be the same big websites because those are the ones that make enough money to afford the faster connection.

>>133489988
>you won't have a choice if you want to use those services retard
will not use the service then and will not provide them data they can sell to their ad costumers. Fuck Net Neutrality, break the new tech bubble, help hispter become actual bums

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>>133488817
Only a true burger would support fracturing the network access, limiting the means of private citizens to have their own servers and data caps.

ISP should be paid for offering me infrastructure to access the web, they have no right to determine what I do with that bandwidth.

> why is it a big popular cause to have the government favor one set of giant companies (Google, Facebook) over another set (Comcast, Time Warner). I hate my ISP Comcast, but I don't really trust Facebook either.

> Right now we experience the internet as websites so those feel like the basic thing. But in the future who knows what the internet will consist of? Already there's a shift to apps. A law which saws "isps have to treat websites the same" could distort future innovation... It would keep developers locked into the technology that happens to be dominant now

> Lots of tech companies (IBM, Oracle) think net neutrality is a bad idea.

Tl;dr when the government uses regulations to pick winners and losers, the results usually aren't very good as the market place

>>133488817
Hang yourself american cable jew. Preferably with a cable.

>>133488817
*link or didnt happened btw

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>it's a conservacucks are choosing facts to believe in episode

holy shit, you guys really deserve to be brought down by Ajit.

I hope net neutrality gets repealed just so I have another reason to add to my list of why Americans are the dumbest fucks on the planet.

Sent from an actual 1st world country from my 1Gbps connection.

>>133490614
wut...? net neutrality started in 2015 if i am not mistaken..?

>>133490462
> As I said, if they charge I don't use.

Yes... exactly... if they charge, those services become less competitive and therefore the ISP gets to control the market

if they introduce their own streaming service, it is inherently more competitive than everyone else

anti net neutrality is garbage

>>133490689
>help hipster become actual bums
if u kill net neutrality, only the large existing websites will survive

you won't ever see a competing service to netflix/generic isp streaming service because no company who isn't selling your data and being horrible will be able to afford to compete

Hey shills, small hint, you will not get weaponized autism to fight for your cause. Get the hell back to /r/eddit and stay there. Ask your jewish master to provide your the resources to fight.
NYPA fuck off faggots

>>133488817
NANCY PELISOI is for NN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>133490959
that isn't what's going on here. The companies are still competing, they just aren't allowed to throttle access

>>133488817
Im all for a company to charge what they want for your speed and how much you can use.

The issue is when they want to reduce how fast you can use specific sites it does not like.

You use google, but they get paid by bing? Then google will be slow as hell, and Bing slightly faster.

If I pay for 100mb/s that should not drop to 20mb/s when I use a service they dont like.

If they want to not count twords the data usage when using specific services, then fine. So long as all services receive the same bandwidth.

>>133491067
>implying I use netflix or watch jewish Hollywood propaganda
Go fuck a cactus multi ethnic communist shill

Here's the real regulation we need:. The company which wired up your house should be a common carrier, and anyone who wants to provide internet through that wire should be allowed to. This is like long distance phone service. This is how most countries outside the US do it. This prevents Monopoly practices and stimulates competition.

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Net Neutrality seems to be the topic where the most uninformed are the most vocal.

No net neutrality is the status quo. The Internet became what it is today because of this, not in spite of it. But once you start layering on regulations on how ISPs can behave, you're opening the door for content restrictions that previously didn't exist. As an added bonus, you cripple the development of new and innovative infrastructure.

Do you want to keep current technology frozen in time, and make content restriction a real possibility? Then net neutrality is for you!

>>133491228
(that's literally what net neutrality is all about but ok)

I'm all for net neutrality down with internet censorship we need government internet regulation

>>133491355
And it'd cut down on the time required to set up with a different ISP.


Honestly just fucking put fiber everywhere already for christ's sake

>>133491355
Meant for
>>133491126

>>133491378
See here: >>133490631

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>>133491378

>Bots posting pasta
Whoever pays you, he has no plan. GET THE FUCK OUT RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>133491477
>Regulation stops (((ISPs))) from gouging people harder than they already do and turning the internet into a complete crapshoot with better/worse performance on a site-by-site basis depending on your ISP
>Hurr all regulation is bad!

Hmmm

>>133491309
the point isn't netflix u memer

it can be applied to anything. if we didn't have an open internet, we'd still have even worse garbage than we do today

myspace would be the data king

everyone would still be using msn

your favorite distro's package repository would be throttled like a mother fucker

and hostgator would be the hosting king

>>133491378
That's literally nothing to do with net neutrality. It's not even a consequence of it.

How can you be this disinformed? Where did you even get that idea?

For real, what are your sources? I've never seen something so far off as this. I'm truly amazed.

>>133488817
redditfags who can't take "no" for an answer

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>>133491488
>Put fiber everywhere
>Let the tax goy pay for it
>We need to get more bandwidth for free to provide more cuck and interracial porn

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>>133488817
Net neutrality is a response to the monopolization of the internet. It's NOT good if the market was truly free and open. However, meme-tier lolbertarians and neocons fail to grasp that the market is extremely difficult to get into because Comcast and Time-Warner have worked hard to shut every newcomer out of the market. (Hence why Google Fiber is having trouble getting started in many states.) You're basically living in a dungeon, and you think the solution is "there are too many things in the dungeon" so you get rid of the comfortable couch. Sure, the dungeon is open, but you still live in a fucking dungeon.

NN is basically one of the last regulations that would need to go. Not the first (Because we know our shitty nigger politicians aren't going to repeal all the lobbying Comcast worked so hard for)

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These ISP services are a natural monopoly. There's never going to be 1000 different ISP's competing. There will be maybe 2 or 3 in most areas. In some rural places, only 1.

Libertarians need to learn what a natural monopoly is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly

>>133491739
You will not convince me. And do to your collegues being obvious astroturfer who have never browsed this side, the whole OP is already lost. Well done.

>>133491601
Maybe getting caught was a part of his plan?

If anyone wants to feel how no net neutrality feels go log into any public wifi that has content filters on. It is like that but more arbitrary and you can (maybe) pay to disable the filter for certain sites.

>>133491228
>unironically redditspacing

why

>>133491767
>Google was paid tax money to put in fiber
??????????

>>133491066

Are you retarded? Yeah it from all became a law then because that when ISPs first threaten to decide who gets what bandwidth/speeds...before netu neutrality was a formal law it's just how it was...then ISPs wanted to change..so we mace it a law. How dumb/young are you?

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>>133489567

>>133490524
They are private companies though. Why would government dictate how they manage their infrastructure?

>>133491739
yes goy yes, cable companies only spend millions of dollars stringing lines across the country, who are they to want to run their business the way they want to run it? internet is a public good, it should be in the hands of the people.

>>133492225
Jews stand to gain the most from NN getting killed, retard

>>133492200
Should a store be able to charge different customers differently? So for example, if you look wealthy and have a nice suit, should the store be able to charge you more?

The fact that the government mandates that prices be uniform for everyone in the store is a regulation technically. But companies are still able to compete effectively. It doesn't mess with the market efficiency to have a regulation like this in place

This is just one little example, but you see what I'm talking about.

>goys, i-i mean guys listen- we need this regulation to keep the internet free!
>see it even has 'neutral' in the title! it must be good!!!

>>133492455
>Should a store be able to charge different customers differently?
Amazon Prime

>>133492163
>are you retarded?
>yeah it from all became a law
>because that when ISPs
hmm....good points, i retract my statements and concede to your superior intellect

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>>133492194
IT giants manipulating searches and tracking your every move means that it is only fair that ISPs are allowed to do the decide what content can be shown on your screen.

>>133488817
>shills against common sense
>calls out others as """shills"""


bait.jpg

>>133492593
You have to be baiting

>>133492455
I was just playing devil's advocate though.
I'm pro-NN.

>>133492194
lmfao this is actually just fake

there is no subsidy

you are paying for bandwidth - it is already paid for. if you get charged a fee on top of the bandwidth, then they are simply double dipping for fun

you pay for an internet connection with a specific speed and amount of data you can use

and the services pay their own isp for a connection and amount of data

>>133492334
Jews also stand to gain the most from it remaining. Just a different set of jews. It's almost as if they set things up to win either way.

O.K your shilling is JUST ANNOYING
>First
Don't use questions like a bunch of pollsters, it gives you away
>Second
If you like to shill something on here be authentic. Hint: you are not, you sound like a bunch of 30 something who live in commiefornia, have never really worked and survive by selling shit to boomers

Really the whole Internet businesses from 2003 on deserve to bankrupt. I don't care if RWDS hang Silicon Valley fags or if the government destroys your business models with fascist methods. You deserve to become bums or kill yourself do to crippling debts. No pity for Silicon Valley

>>133491378
>No net neutrality is the status quo
That isn't my understanding of how ISPs currently act.
Surely, they do not discriminate between what services and content you try to access with the internet access you buy from them.

>>133492455
It will end up in every host have to pay a fee so people can serve in his site without bandwidth getting throttled so hard that its not usable anymore.

Nothing would change besides that everyone has to pay for beeing usable.

Like if 4chan wouldnt pay 500$ for enough bandwidth (what they wouldnt do) it will be slow as fuck for everyone.

>>133492900
If the jews win either way, why should I support something that will inconvenience myself?

>>133492455
>should a store be able to charge different customers differently
yes, it was how we used to keep niggers out of civilized society

>>133489142
>implying they won't charge extra fees for sites like 4chan

>>133492099
>redditspacing
Its an annoying meme, they just format the text so its better to read.

>>133492987
Exactly.

The ISP's are arguing that with this extra money they will be able to expand infrastructure. But the thing is, the US infrastructure is already pretty good. And they've been given money to build infrastructure before (they spent it instead of bonuses).

Why can't they build infrastructure with the amount of money they are getting currently?

>don't let corporations mess with the internet
>instead, let the corporations pay the government so they can mess with the internet

Why is it that when shit like this pops up, people are always incredibly optimistic about government's good nature, resistance to corruption, and ability to competently regulate?

>>133493030
Now you see why the Muslims blow themselves up. It is the only winning move.

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>>133488817
I don't even have enough energy to be angry at this.

>>133493106
Fucking thiiiiiis

>>133493226
But when a muzzy blows themselves up the jews win even more

>>133492455
it's not even a particularly good analogy because it doesn't take into account how important said store is

it would be like a store that literally everyone needs to visit - including all the other stores in the area

>>133491810
You realize NN is just about saving Silicon Valley money so they can censor the internet easier, right? Libertarians aren't always wrong on every issue.

>>133493030
How is it going to inconvenience you? No hypotheticals or slippery slope arguments, please. From what I read, the FCC could not cite any harms to consumers when enacting Title II.

>>133493151
>Look they will let you pay for the site you are using
>be on the good side of history
>Help us
>ploxxxx
Again, I would stop using it. Would I use Netflix, amazon or faggit then? No, as I don't use it now, will not use it in the future and well, as stated above, if bandwidth gets less, homepages will be forced to build slimmer pages, which means less jobs for unnecessary active x and java script faggots, less advertising, less special content. I'm o.k with it. Break the new tech bubble, crash the business with no survivors

>>133488817
Go fuck yourselves. If you turn on this and meme it through just coz you're annoyed at redditfags gfyourself

>>133493362
Yeah but it is a (sometimes) different group than the one who wanted him to live. At least he is free from the endless second guessing.

wish these assholes would use this much effort and energy to demand a fiber optic infrastructure

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>>133493487
this^
did everyone forget not even fucking one year ago google was doing this? When google does it its ok but when my cable provider does it its the worst thing in the world

>>133493487
NN is just about Silicon Valley and normal people not getting jewed by ISPs

>>133493106
>>133493329
>should a store be able to charge different customers differently
The custumer wouldnt pay, it would be the store owner that suddenly has to pay the ISP so the custumer is even capable to enter the store.

And sites that are not capable to pay just dont get customers any more.

The big corporations will compensate the fee with sinply fucking the user in the ass somehow, more ads or something.

>>133492200

Could people stop with this bullshit response?

The 96' Telecom Act gave the ISPs huge tax breaks in exchange for not doing the shady shit they were doing in 2014 instead of building out their network. Their greed brought the harsher rules upon them.

>>133493851
>Silicon Valley and normal people

Nice try Jew

>>133493716
Or the dismantling of telecom monopolies. That would solve all the issues people seem to have. Maybe we ought to nationalize the lines and allow startups to propagate freely. Can only imagine the asspain that would cause Comcast and friends.

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>>133488817
I'm fucking sick of discussing net neutrality, but the BS about "MUH SHILLING" has to stop. /pol/ is a message board. Not everyone agrees about everything. Get over it.

>>133488817
>doesn't wants freedom on internet
Do you want to be regulated like in Communist countries, but instead of government regulating you will be regulated by ISPs? Why do you want this besides working for ISP?

>>133489567
Yeah see, it would be great if the actual concept of net neutrality is what "meet neutrality" was about. What it's actually about is making broadband title II which means an unelected small body has near compete control over the content, pricing, new builds, number of subscribers, etc.

>>133493555
>Pajeet "reeses cup" Pai could not cite any harms to consumers when enacting Title II
Hmmm
It's almost like the former verizon employee was paid off...

Also
>no hypotheticals
All anyone can offer at this point is hypotheticals since it hasn't happened yet retard
But here's a road map of where the (((ISPs))) have gone before
>>133490631

Anything they think they can get away with, they will try. And without NN they will be able to get away with a good bit of jewish bullshit.

>>133494031
Oh hey it's the slovfag again. Earning your shekels?

>>133493573

So you want the ISP to fist you up the ass and dictate what you do, but leaving the government powers they have already enacted and have not abused in the least since they were is just CURAAAAAAAAAAAZY?

AnCaps are idiots that need to move to Somalia.

thank god public opinion doesn't actually matter and governments willl do whatever the fuck they want anyway

>>133492897
>this dipshit doesn't know the entire renewed debate started because netflix uses 30% of u.s. traffic and refused to pay more for using more so they got throttled.

>>133490631
>screencapping rebbit copyapasta from 8gag

Cancer

>>133494140
No, i have net neutrality, Americans don't have it. I can download whatever i want, i have unlimited downloads, i don't have limitations what can i open, nobody spying or selling my information, i can scream nigger on any site i want and nobody will close my webpage.

>>133488817
They realize that 4chan's power can be "borrowed"/stolen to push their agenda, even if 4chan is not 100% on board. They will never be successful in co-opting 4chan, but they can still lie about 4chan supporting their shit. It has to be stopped. It has to be pointed out that if 4chan WERE to oppose anti-Net Neutrality, it would be in 4chan's terms. 4chan would support NN only if (((Google))), the (((porn industry))), (((online media))), and other (((Internet institutions))) get BTFO in the process. Heavily regulate content of (((porn))), (((Mainstream Media streaming))), (((news))), and so on. No more anti-White shit. No more race-mixing shit. No more promotion of degeneracy.
>Voice for all, except the Jews

>>133493808
Nobody would care if 4chan isnt listed on google, but everyone would care if 4chan gets throttled to unusable fuck.

>>133493573
Net neutrality is useless in Romania, they have hundreds of internet providers. The thing is, there is no real competition for internet in most coutries in the world, especially in the US where, in most places, there is only one internet provider. We need internet neutrality to make sure big corporations don't fuck us over

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>>133494216
>if you dont want a bunch of west coast Marxist jews controlling the internet you must be an ancap

Most retarded shill tactic

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>>133488817
The shills tend to come out in full force when a major news story is about to break. Typically the stories where Dems get I. Trouble.

I have a feeling about today. Clinton, Obama or one of their minions will be in a lot of trouble before the days end.

>>133494360
>nobody spying or selling my information
kek

>>133494360
Cool I have all that too nigger, except I dont live in a 3rd world country.

>>133494002

The anti-NN side uses the same arguments en masse that were in the definitively false bot responses to the FCC's request for public comment.

With the sole exception of the:

"Libruls and Kikes want this so I want it abolished because fuck them" side.

Those are just plain old fashion idiots because they think that every issue is us vs. them

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>>133488817
The most ironic thing is that lolbertarians view the net neutrality as something controled by the government even though it ensures their right to visit every website on the internet. They are eating up Trump's verbal diarrhea on the issue while funnily enough a 70 year old man doesn't know jack shit about the internet. And these people have the audacity to call other people cucks at the same time.

>>133494105
What? Poo in loo didn't enact Title II, he's aiming to remove Title II common carrier regulations. Obama's guy was the one who couldn't point to any specific instances of harm that necessitated common carrier regulation.

>>133494360
Yeah, we had that too before "net neutrality" was enacted by executive order overreach. They're different things. The internet being title II means the government can do pretty much whatever they want with it like radio and broadcast tv. DC court ruled before this grab that they could enforce real neutrality, what you mean, without title II.

>>133494318
That's a lotta buzzwords, almost makes up for how you have no argument as to why the ISPs aren't fucking jews and won't take full advantage of killing NN in order to fuck their customers

>>133494377
I wouldn't care because that wouldn't happen.

>magic Washington dust is protecting 4chan top kek my sifes

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>>133494461
Even Google is asking me if they can use my browsing history for statistics, you history and much more they just take without notice.

>>133494538
Oh, I thought that's what we were talking about. My bad.

>>133494640
If you see this page they already have your data.

>>133491093
Hello transparent shill

>>133494369
I don't support this title II power grab and anyone who does is retarded. They're intentionally mixing the concepts of utility and actual neutrality. "Harrasment" gets prosecuted by the FCC under title II, so does "obscenity".

>>133493926
>ISPs would act like a gatekeeper to content and that would be terrible!
except search engines essentially do the same exact thing, they can 100% ban something from being searched or modify their algorithms to change what is being promoted and make certain things "disappear" all the time and no one questions it

>>133494490
>muh Russian bots
>believing this shit

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>>133494489
No, you live in 5th world nigger-Mexican country with huge debt and your wife fucking niggers while you push your dildos up the ass and wonder if you can change your gender to be an ISP mascot for 21st century.

>>133488817

Net Neutrality is important because a very delicate free market exists within the internet that relies solely on the fact internet access is un-controlled

>>133494534
Holy shit I want to punch marxists like you through my computer screen.

>>133494443

I was responding directly to an AnCap shitposter you fucking mouth-breather.

You can run to your "Muh Marxism" "Muh joos" bullshit argument all you want.

The facts of the situation are that Comcast and Verizon were fucking over their costumers in certain markets in 2014 blocking, throttling, and just crapily serving:

encrypted, netflix, VOIP, packets and much more.

They can and will get back to fucking the US tax-payer over if this passes.

>>133494720
Of course they have my data, they just can't sell it legally. I don't care what they have, they can wipe their ass with that data. Sweden also have a lot of niggers, how does that influence me?

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>>133494825
You're gonna have to pay first goycuck.

>>133491355
We dont want your censorship woth your bullshit excuses you fucking faggot

sddf

>>133488817
>What the fuck is up with the shilling lately?
nice try kike, fuck off

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>>133494585
>only argument is muh jooz
>its okay for internet companies to push marxist political correctness on us by force because MUH MUH ISPS

>>133494759
this

>>133494892
>Oh no think of the poor netflix!

Fuck you

>>133494907
>I don't care if people spy on me or what they do with it, I just don't want money to cross hands in the process

retard

>>133495020
THIS

>>133491585
This

>>133494764

>He thinks meme arrows make something false.

Oh and I never once mentioned Russia, maybe your ears were ringing you fucking shill.

There were thousands of public comments with the exact same wording and when the individuals whose names and contact information were listed they in almost all cases responded that they did not post the comment and had no idea on the issue.

This is a textbook botting attempt and the fact your knee-jerk reaction is to defend it speaks volumes.

>>133491755
>Hey I'm from Brazil and let me tell you about American censorship

Really shitskins?

>>133491739
Thank you for fighting the shills anon, keep at it, you are right, they are wrong

>>133494892
AnCap are the biggest retards even to walk the earth, bunch of Pajets who want to migrate to your country and sell your data to Shekelberg. It's funny how capitalists are against government control, but then promote like crazy to be controlled by 1000 governments, each ISP own government, they want to pay maximum tax to 1000 different governments. AnCap want every company on planet to play the role of government.

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>>133488817
>ve to pay first goycuck.
actually this fucking thread was giving me ptoblems to post, i have to open incongnito tab in a new browser to be able to post.
Are this 4ch fuckers shadowbanning people using some kind of cookie trick?

>>133495290
According to some journalist or government bureaucrat

>useful idiot detected

It's amusing how Eastern Europe has amongst the quickest internet speeds and everything is accessible.

>>133495250
>Oh no think of the poor netflix!

Fuck you

Yeah, that was not at all my only cited thing they were fucking their users over on. Or are you saying that 4chan is anti-encryption too?

The ISPs will fuck over any service they think they can monetize, including 4chan itself if they see it as worth fucking up.

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>>133489814
The only thing they know is that a lot of us supported Trump. We might as well be Young Republicans with twitter accounts as far as they're concerned.

>>133495290
And the comments in favor of it are robots too, they're just made of flesh but what's the difference if they're too stupid to know the difference between making internet title II and actual neutrality?

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>>133495376
You'd be surprised how many foreigners are more up to speed on american issues than many americans.

Of course this is assuming the guy actually is from brazil and isn't just spoofing it for el maymay fahnny factor

>>133495454

>People I don't like posted proof of widespread botting and gaming of the FCC public opinion phase so its obviously a lie because some fuck on 4chan doesn't like them

Like I said: Your responses speak for themselves. You are a shill and I hope you are at least paid for it.

>>133495521
So, netflix shouldn't have to pay more for clogging our infrastructure? At least Facebook bought their own longhaul and dark fiber.

>>133495439
>hurrr I hate freedom therefore government and corporations should rape my mouth

Fucktard. Screaming "ancap" at everything doesnt change when a bad law is a bad, evil, JEWISH LAW!!!

>muh muh isp! Muh comcast bogeyman!
>total crickets when it comes to pro-NN silicon valley shilling DEGENERACY on us and CENSORING and SPYING on us

Obvious shill

>>133491739
>>133495431
(((open internet)))

>>133495521
>muh ISP bogeyman
>total DNC control over the internet is okay because muh ISPs

>>133495574
That guy clearly isnt though or else he wouldn't spout MSM propaganda

>>133491309
China doesn't has net neutrality, they have government control and ban on pornography. USA without net-neutrality won't have ban on pornography, they will have ban on amateur pornography and only allow Hustler and big companies to distribute porn who pay for it. Just shifting money and control away from goy, that's what this is.

>>133495556

Yes, the public opinion stage of the FCC had public opine in favor of NN. What is your point?

Oh and point of order: We thought Tom Wheeler was the type of snake that Pajeet is, but after he saw the response the last time this was attempted he did a policy 180 and stood for NN rules.

>what's the difference if they're too stupid to know the difference between making internet title II and actual neutrality?

Yep, let's throw that baby out with the bathwater instead of pushing for better NN rules. Will go swell.

>>133495673
>John Oliver's raid attempt backfired and people I don't like criticized democrat censorship on a government petition site so they must be bots

And I'M the shill?

>>133495857
>implying your government isn't full of Jews
How hard have you hit your head?

>>133495918
Why do you comment on shit you know nothing about?

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This is what the net would start looking like very quickly.

Then again Yank cellphone data prices are terrible, I've seen $80/month "unlimited" data advertised as a good deal on TV. I currently pay £15/month.

>>133495439
1. Your English sucks ass
2. If we consider each ISP a "government" I would still only be regulated and paying tax to 1 "government" except it would be one i got to pick, I would pay for 16 different ISPs to string cable lines to my house
3. Data selling and limitation exist anyway as already stated >>133493808
>>133494759
so what does net neutrality do other than secure power for Search engine providers

>i don't want the government giving me free access to everything because they might give free access to some libtards
>i would rather get jewed by the (((cabel corporations))) because muh free market
>proceeds to pay x$ to get his skype clogged by at&t

>>133495474
>Soros hometurf
>Good internet

Coincidence? I think not. (((They))) are trying to undermine American morale by artificially boosted infrastructure and free competition in ex-commie lands.

>>133495857
>>muh ISP bogeyman

In this very thread are links to proof that the ISPs were fucking over customers in test markets, the FCC didn't just up and decide to police the ISPs harder. Verizon and Comcast wrought harsher NN rules upon themselves.


>>total DNC control over the internet is okay because muh ISPs


The |US Govt| (You can trott out your lame MUH DNC boogeyman though? Cool.) has done it since 2015 and there is not one case of abuse of the new rules known or posted EVER.

>>133495935
Tom Wheeler was a democrat faggot shill who sholled constantly on Stephen Colbert

Didnt he lead a crusade against citizens united or am I getting confused here?

Btw the only acceptable version of "NN rules" would be nationalizing google, facebook, and twitter, etc. into white american hands

>>133496070
Government has nothing to do with Net neutrality you little child of retardation. We are discussing regulation by ISPs. Government has nothing to do with or without net neutrality question. There is no government involved anywhere here. This is a pure question of ISP regulations.

>>133494216
For Christ sake you are bad shills, hope the ones paying you monitor this OP and put your asses right on a black list for never hire again. Really, 12 years old recruited for the meme wars and drug using Bernie Supporters were better at shilling without pay than you faggots are.

Just fuck off

>>133496112
You must be shitposting - you can't be this challenged.

>>133495935
If the FCC had kept their fucking tentacles out if it, we'd have had a real net neutrality bill. A new bill for a new technology. Title II does absolutely nothing to protect what you think you're defending and hands nearly all power over the internet to a small unelected body already in the hands of the ISPs you're bitching about because it's from 80 years ago and meant for radio, tv, and phones.

>>133490631
most of this has been debunked and is complete bullshit clickbait titles from left shill site freepress.
For example

>comcast 05 is unconfirmed bullshit
>MetroPCS wanted to create a super cheap service and specifically partnered with youtube to create it as a cheap consumer package.
>2013 Verizon was talking about pursuing deals a'la like the one they have with ESPN. Not favoring content but literally the opposite where they pay content companies money in order to let their users have access to them.

>>133496157
But the companies in favor of NN mass censor the internet nonstop and to this day, with demonetization, purgres, hate speech, etc.. Are you okay with that because (((free market))) (herp derp I'm ancap though) or are you a feminazi?

>>133496054
PROPAGANDA, retard

>>133495978

Yes you are clearly a shill because
1) Oliver's attempt didn't fail you idiot, it garnered massive response and HBO's simplification of getting to an intentionally hidden public comment section worked well

2) I don't like criticized democrat censorship

Cite a single abuse of the NN rules put in place in response to Verizon and Comcast's fuckery. I will wait.

> so they must be bots

So the exact same response spammed thousands of times connected to people who say they have not even been on the site in question aren't bots? Explain them then. I will wait.

>>133496274
>doesnt answer his question because you're a shill

unsubtle

>>133496054
No, that's what it looks like with title II which is already controlling tv here.

>>133496274
>Government has nothing to do with Net neutrality
this is why you should stay out of American politics, you are shilling for things you don't even understand

>>133496390
Woooooow look how censored 4chan is - everyone shouts nigger at everyone

>>133496472
>trusts Comcast

retard

Wow, i have never seen /pol/ so divided on an issue

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>>133488817

The problem is that industries like Telecommunications and Medicine are virtually impossible for some joe shmoe to open up a competitor when he feels like he's getting fucked by preexisting companies due to their large startup cost, infrastructure, technical certification, etc.

Using the state as an economic tool in these circumstances to ensure that the every man doesn't get fucked is what a normal human being would think is a good idea.

Only in the minds of retarded ancaps who think that "not buying from them" is a valuable answer to literally every single problem ever is anti-NN the right stance. This is literally one of the few policies that no sane human being can't agree has a clear cut answer.

>>133495448
Yeah it is strange have to solve 8 captchas too post.

Guess Alphabet is behind it. Just more reasons to keep on building up a list of employees, contractors and their families for the day of the rope. And for the shills, keep on filling the internet with your CVs and pointing out that you used to work with google.

>>133488817
>sell users bandwidth
>they use it
>complain

>give absolute dogshit upload speeds
>prohibit serving
>wonder why the down/up ratio is so fucked up

>>133491477
Waddashill

ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS NET NEUTRALITY IS A JEW SHILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7J1o67-Qjo

Holy fucking shit, this video drops hard fucking redpills.

Net Neutrality is jewish in nature and brainwashes our children.

Enjoy being docile human beings for the rest of your life.

Get fucked niggers

Net Neutrality is inherintly anti-fascist. We need digital fascism to prevent the populace being brainwashed by useless information.

You're the ones LARPing as a """"Crusader"""" and then when someone takes your stupid little internet away you cry like a big stupid baby. Get fucked nigger

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Telcom Companies setting up different Internet Deals. Afterall it is annarcho capitalistic.

Go back to plebbit, niggers

>>133496217
>Btw the only acceptable version of "NN rules" would be nationalizing google, facebook, and twitter, etc. into white american hands


Yep, but leave the ISPs out of it because they are clearly serving the public good right? Fuck right off.

>>133496054
No it would not, you're talking out of your ass. Cable packages work in the completely opposite direction. Cable companies pay networks for the privilege of offering their channel(s) to consumers. For this to happen, Comcast would need to PAY Netflix instead of what they wanted, which was to CHARGE Netflix.

Funnily enough, those types of packages are offered right now by cable companies under the same "neutrality protections" NN is offering the internet.

>>133496535
You don't seem to understand that telephone lines and internet lines and modems aren't owned by government. Web sites aren't owned by government. You want to make them owned by ISPs by eliminating net neutrality.

>>133496535
Net neutrality ensures everyone can access every website so the ISPs don't block the unattractive ones and force into paying more for access.

>>133496623

Yes, you get asked more captchas the more regularly you ask for one, i.e. by posting.

>>133496157
So what was the problem with the status quo of fining the shit out of these companies for being shady? Why suddenly give control entirely to the FCC? They're not known for being "free" with their censorship powers and 2 years isn't a lot of time in the way of regulation changes.

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Fuck net neutrality and anything else that Obozo was for.

>>133496308
>For Christ sake you are bad shills

>I am not the shill, you are the shill! Stop backing up your argument with facts and proof and respond to my bullshit argument of you being paid


Cool.

>>133488817
maybe we can see the rise of more homebrew streaming and video websites, with more incentive to keep away from the ones that cost money. with less ad flow companies like google will negotiate with ISPs to come up with a better deal for everyone. the free market works, you just have to wait

>>133496457
>Oliver's attempt didn't fail
hahahahaha, normies gone be normies but they lack the autism and knowledge to deploy thousands of bots to form the narrative. Silicon Valley fags btfo

>>133490524
>does it even affect people in europe?
no, EU has net neutrality by law

THE REALITY IS, YOU ARE FUCKED EITHER WAY.

THE GOVERNMENT WILL BLOCK 4CHAN UNDER OBSCENITY LAWS

CORPORATIONS WILL BLOCK 4CHAN WITH A PAY WALL

BOTH WANT TO FUCK YOU
CHOOSE WHETHER YOU WANT TO PAY TO BE FUCKED BY THE GOVERNMENT, OR PAY TO NOT BE FUCKED BY ISPS.

>>133488817
Gib link fagg

>>133496353
>we'd have had a real net neutrality bill.

[Citation Needed]

And again: If you want to throw your baby out because the bath-water is a bit dirty then go ahead. I would rather NN laws in addition to the NN rules but oh look, we have a Congress that doesn't give a flying fuck.

>>133496457
Why would time warner, who owns HBO, allow Oliver to shill against their wishes?

>>133496697
>You don't seem to understand that telephone lines and internet lines and modems aren't owned by government
They are all build on public right of ways or use the public's RF that come with conditions and regulations.

>>133496884
4chan can be block or not blocked, is not even a question. The problem is that anti-net neutrality people claim that ISP owns my website because i use their internet cables. That's like saying i don't own the apple i bought in supermarket, even when i pay monthly payment and buy the apple.

>>133488817
>even 4chan is opposing
Perhaps hiroshitto is but most anons arent. It's all just some Jewish trick.

>>133496934
REPEALING A LAW IS MUCH HARDER THAN SIGNING A NEW BILL INTO LAW

BY GIVING POWER TO A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, YOU ARE ENSURING THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE AND CENSOR THE INTERNET UNDER OBSCENITY OR PIRACY LAWS

>>133496390
>But the companies in favor of NN mass censor the internet nonstop and to this day

What the fuck are you talking about?

Facebook?

When you sign up for facebook you explicitly give them the right to take down content they don't like. Same for any big site.

When you came to 4chan you agreed to a set of rules too. This is not censorship. You agreed to it you fuck.

>>133496697
If the internet is title II, the government can seize and regulate what equipment and mediums are used as well as far more.

>>133496741
Like I said, jewgle employees, contractors and their families will be one of the first hanging from street lights. but yeah, time to delete the catch again

>>133497112
ISPS OWN THE ROADS

YOU ARE USING THEIR ROADS TO GET PEOPLE TO YOUR APPLE CART, FAGGOT.

>>133488817
the internet already abides to net neutrality.
quit sperging out and acting like the internet needs to be regulated differently than it is now.

fucking idiots.

>>133496609
But title II isn't net neutrality.

>yfw Americans have to pay to post on ComCastChan

4chan is owned by a Japanese man, and hosted in Europe. It's about as American as proud Brit George Washington.

>>133497007

The lack of direct advertising allows HBO shows a degree of freedom greater than regular OTA and Cable, HBO could shit-can him but he makes them money and the optics would look awful.

>>133496642
>Net Neutrality is inherintly anti-fascist.

Actually it's the opposite.
Telling someone how to run their private business is facism.

>>133497233
Ok retard, so you are saying woodpeckers own your table because it was once in forest?

If you do not defend net neutrality, you do NOT belong on this website.

>>133497355
DO THE WOODPECKERS FERRY PEOPLE TO YOUR TABLE, DUMBASS?

>>133488817
I didn't have an opinion about net neutrality but if the wapo wants us to shill against it then I'm 100% in favor of net neutrality.

>>133494759
Search engines cannot throttle your bandwidth you retard. Is this a joke or something?

>>133497369
>defending the FCC
>defending feds
>on /pol/
fuck off

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>>133497369

I've been here years, before /n/ was /new/ and then /pol/. I actually can't believe people would support America's absolutely shite ISPs.

>>133496934
It was being drafted before the FCC stepped in you dumbfuck.

>>133497148
>AND CENSOR THE INTERNET UNDER OBSCENITY OR PIRACY LAWS


Yeah, No. The NN rules have been in effect since 2015 and there have been no abuses or censoring at all. This is an AnCap fantasy.

Again: The FCC was fine with Title 1, when the courts sided with Verizon they explicitly told the FCC: "What Verizon did was fucked up and anti-consumer controlling of the web, but Title 1 is too weak to stop them. Move them to Title 2"

The FCC merely agreed.

>>133492163

Lol I'm typing on my phone because I can't browse /pol/ from my workplace. Way to base you argument on "the other guy has typos lol" when you can't refute the facts of the past. I assume you haven't been using the internet for more than a decade

>>133497445
I trust the government SLIGHTLY more than i trust comcast and i dont trust comcast at all

>>133496054
>tfw that image would be cheaper than what I pay now

>>133488817
Giving ISP's the right to block "racist websites" Hmm I wonder why?

>>133497411
My made site, my computer, my programs with which i made the site, my privacy, my data. ISP is just the road, car on the road is mine, i play by the rules of road as defined by government, i pay monthly sum for the internet. ISP doesn't owns sites you freaking retard.

>>133497492

Yes, and what is stopping it from being drafted right now? What stopped it then?

As the poster above noted:

Your argument is essentially:

"I HATE MY JAIL CELL AND SHOULD NOT BE HERE! GET THIS NICE COMFY COUCH OUT OF HERE BECUASE I HATE MY JAIL CELL BUT DON'T LET ME OUT"

It is the definition of throwing the baby out with the bath-water as an argument.

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>>133497120
This place really has become Reddit.

If you weren't all underage you'd remember that this isn't the first time they try to push this shit.

>>133492662


Lol I'm typing on my phone because I can't browse /pol/ from my workplace. Way to base you argument on "the other guy has typos lol" when you can't refute the facts of the past. I assume you haven't been using the internet for more than a decade

>>133491126
So then the ISPS aren't allowed to compete freely.

>>133497320
>this moron thinks Oliver doesn't just shill for time warner and that they actually want "net neutrality", they just want it without the extra costs of being a utility.

They'd have canned him long before now if he was speaking against what they want. The fact they're not holden to advertisement means he's their mouthpiece.

Answer this question if you want people to believe we need net neutrality. What has changed since 2015 when it first got put in? Have you noticed a difference from the 90s?

>>133489567
>>133490136
>>133490524
>>133490614
>>133491018
>>133491018
>>133491755
I love how all pro net neutrality posters are from despotic shitholes and not the country where it's actually relevant. We gave you all of this, and we will determine what we do with it

>>133488817
Stop being addicted to using bandwitdth

>>133497567
You shouldn't

>>133497734
>They'd have canned him long before now if he was speaking against what they want.


He can and has, even going so far to explicitly detail the fact that HBO is part of Time-Warner when he does pieces against T-W's interests. They have not made a peep.

But thanks for playing Anon's Fantasy Post!

>>133496642
This is some bullshit. Stop trying to appeal to nerdy NEETsocs here with videogames and edgy humor.

The FCC is trying to repeal current NN laws because the FCC is now headed by a former Verizon exec. It's that simple. It's in the pocket of big business.

There is no way for small businesses to compete in the ISP market AT ALL. The entire thing is a fucking monopoly, telecoms are cancer and need to be regulated into the fucking ground. You say that people will flee to alternatives but there ARE NO ALTERNATIVES. The country has been carved into pieces by telecom giants that choose not to compete with one another.

>>133497460
can't customers just move their business to IPSs that focus on providing a more unfettered internet?

>>133497812
fuck off with your stupid questions survey faggot

>>133497676
It being made title II is what stops it now dipshit. The FCC has control in that case, not your elected representatives. Appointed people, usually former executives of the same companies you're claiming can't be trusted.

>>133497508
The court ruled they could enforce neutrality without title II. Stop lying.

>>133490631
There's literally nothing wrong with any of these examples though.

>>133493200
>US Internet infrastructure is good
Bahahah. Are you fucking retarded? 3rd world balkans shit holes have much better Internet then us. You dense fuck.

>>133497812

Verizon's fucked up experiments in test markets of blocking certain types of traffic have by and large stopped and Comcast stopped shaking down Netflix and they came to an agreement.


Now to you: What is so awful that the FCC clearly abused the new NN rules since they were implemented?

>>133489023
Fpbp

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>>133496102
>strawman

HOLY SHIT ALL THESE FUCKING SHILLS, THE PROBLEM IS THEM CENSORING US AND DEPLATFORMING US WHILE SCAPEGOATING (((ISPS))) FOR NO FUCKING REASON

IF YOU CARE MORE ABOUT CHEAP NETFLIX PRICES THAN THE RIGHT TO SAY NIGGER ON THE INTERNET THEN YOU ARE A KEK AND TRAITOR

>>133496558
non argument

>>133496377
Well done anon thanks, my eyes gloss over commie propaganda

>>133496457
>John Oliver is my hero!

Haha wow obvious shill. Still no evidence fag.

>>133496483
This, if anything looks like that mockup it is Netflix and yt red

>>133496557
Non argument dumbass

>>133496697
>>133496735
You have to stop arguing in cliches and DNC talking points if you want to be taken seriously

>>133496609
Obvious shill, "muh ancaps" is not a reason to support democrats censoring the internet.

>>133496642
Based

>>133496664
I could care less what happens to ISPs if you deal with the REAL FUCKING PROBLEMS. Stop falling for dnc propaganda you stupid goy.

>>133496670
Well said

>>133496869
>John Oliver didn't fail
>everyone who didn't do what he said were Russian bots

Rebbitfags btfo

>>133497007
Hmm, good question there, goyim

>>133496934
Of course you would you fucking jew

>>133497166
I named examples you retard. Why is it okay for government to intervene against the ISPs but when it comes to Democrats controlling the major internet platforms and engaging in mass censorship, you go "m-m-muh free market"?

>>133497369
Typical commie

>>133497460
ISPs are a scapegoat

>>133497567
Then you are a retard. Who gives a fuck about Comcast they do not affect me in any way, you have to look at the big picture which is leftist Democrat of Silicon Valley and pro-NN companies censoring us.

>>133497420
>They can't throttle so therefore anything else they do is okay

Fucking regard

>>133497676
When the baby is a jewish subversive agent of course I'll throw it out with the water.

>>133497894

Unfortunately because of the size of the US, there isn't much competition in each area and generally one ISP

This is a bit like your water supplier deciding to add fluoride to the water, you can't really get out of it.

>>133488817
That American providers would rather remain corporate fascists doesn't mean we should change the product from "access @ Speed X or Speed Y" to "service + service + service ad infinitum".
It means you lot need to change your providers.

>>133497508
>Yeah, No. The NN rules have been in effect since 2015 and there have been no abuses or censoring at all. This is an AnCap fantasy.

Because 2016 was an election year, and government moves slowly.

Don't get me wrong, neither solution is good.
We've been forced in to a shit situation.

Option A)
Pass NN, FFC regulates internet, and all it takes is Congress to get ONE bad idea and we're all fucked. Remember the Patriot Act? With the FCC in charge of the internet, they can apply that to the internet at will, legally, and force ISPs to comply.

Option B)
Let NN expire.
ISPs with monopolies in areas will likely abuse that monopoly to throttle and overcharge those customers. Things will be blocked behind pay walls.

The ONLY silver lining is that Option B can be fought by deregulating ISPs and allowing smaller companies to tap into internet backbones and lay fiber cheaper.

There is no way to fight option A.
The FCC is largely independent, and only answers to congress.

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I value rights and personal freedoms...unless someone else's personal freedom inconvenience me, then I have no problem crying to the goverment to take them away.

>>133497833
>I love how all pro net neutrality posters are from despotic shitholes
You apparently also like the dick of your internet provider in your ass.

>>133498061
Those 3rd world balkans shitholes have access to every website and don't have to pay though you cuck.

>>133497933
>It being made title II is what stops it now dipshit

You are a fucking moron and a disingenuous liar.

There is no support for NN legislation on anyone's horizon in Congress in any serious way and there has not been for years. The NN legislation died due to lack of support. Literally nothing of Title 2 prohibits Congress from passing laws on ISPs.

Not.A.Single.Thing.

>>133497869
>John Oliver knows time warner's interests more than their own board. When he says he's sticking it to them, you know it's true!
Sure thing buddy. He shits all over his boss and stays employed.

>>133497894
No, because the federal government is paid off by telecoms to allow them to run regional monopolies similar to what Bell did with phone. Public-private collusion is the reason fiber infrastructure in the US is so awful and stagnant. Not even a megalithic company like Google can start up an ISP effectively.

>>133497727
Well they wouldn't be competing anyway because they have agreed zones of control and are running a cartel.

>>133491810
How do we get rid of Comcast lobbyists?

>>133498034

>Lying about something written in stone

https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/3AF8B4D938CDEEA685257C6000532062/$file/11-1355-1474943.pdf

>The court suggested possible changes to the FCC's regulations that may be more amenable to their opinion.

>>133488817
The tax payers have spent billions and maybe even trillions on setting up the Internet infrastructure that companies use. If companies build their own internet infracture then they can do what they want. Otherwise they are going to need to play by the government rules.

>>133497890
How does making the internet title II change that? Is ma bell not slowly reforming? Did the baby bells not have far worse service than ma?

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Reminder that /pol/ is a pro-NN board. Its just a minority that keep posting anti-NN stuff

Also remember that they have been caught in the past using bots to shill against NN on the FCC website

>>133497641
ISPS AREN'T TAKING YOUR COMPUTER YOU FUCKING RETARD, THEY ARE PROVIDING THE ROAD IT DRIVES ON.

YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A PLATFORM, OR TO USE THE ISP'S DATA LINES.

>>1334981 20
Can't read

>>133498266
Other than it being made the purview of the executive branch under the FCC and there was interest in a bill before they stepped in.

>>133496054
MicroSoft will turn into it's own ISP

>>133491810
>market is extremely difficult to get into because Comcast and Time-Warner have worked hard to shut every newcomer out of the market
>Hence why Google Fiber is having trouble getting started in many states
t. Sergey Brin

>>133498123
my water is fluoridated so i have a filter
>>133498290
so the answer to government sanctioned cartels is government regulation?

>>133498497
>no captcha on poll
sure.

>>133498120
>THE PROBLEM IS THEM CENSORING US
The AT&T doesn't give a fuck about your free speech you dumbfuck. Whatever website your ISP doesn't like it will cuck you from it. But sure, keep shouting shills. It might make you believe that schlomo shekelstein who wants to make more shekels cares about you more than the government that is obliged to give at least some protection.

>>133498289
>more than their own board

At no point in what I said was this even tangentially implied. It is not in the interest of the board of T-W to kill Oliver's show when it has solid viewership and doing so would actively make them the aggressor and poison public opinion of them.

>>133498497
oh look a survey, how cute. And it is a strawpoll. Cant be manipulated desu
back to kikebook faggot

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>Try to make a small startup online webshop
>Big company pays ISP to slow down internet speeds to your webshop to the point where noone bothers to open your website anymore
>You go bankrupt
>Big company wins because they have more money
>Big company get's to make a monopoly charging ridiculous prices because everyone who tries to compete gets shut down
>Big companies don't innovate anymore since there is noone to compete to therefor they just sit on their money.
>4chan gets blocked because ISP got paid by CNN to slow internet speeds down extremely.
>Nice meme anit-NN cucks, you just cucked us all.

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>>133495448
Do you actually put sage in every field ? You are really really really stupid.
also
>not using legacy captcha

>>133498088
>shaking down netflix
They're 30% of the traffic on the road. They and their subscribers should pay more to use it.

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>Government getting more control over the internet
>Somehow this will lead to less censorship

>>133498665
>>133498757
Stay mad shills

>>133498497
Don't forget that Nancy Pelosi is for it also.

>>133498761
Why don't ISP just up our current prices now if they're so hungry for money?

>>133498120
WITH NET NEUTRALITY:
ISP CABLES(INTERNET CABLES) = ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
REGULATORS, INVENTORS OF INTERNET = GOVERNMENT LAWS ON ROAD (GOVERNMENT+INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION PROPERTY)
WEB SITE = CAR ON ROAD (USER OF INTERNET PROPERTY)


WITHOUT NET-NEUTRALITY:
ISP CABLES(INTERNET CABLES) = ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
REGULATORS, INVENTORS OF INTERNET = GOVERNMENT LAWS ON ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
WEB SITE = CAR ON ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)

>>133498624


You still have yet to prove in any way shape or form that the move to Title 2 killed such legislation and even if your point on that is conceded: There, again, is no interest in such legislation at all in Congress right now so what possible sense does it make to be in support of dismantling the small bit of NN assurances we have now in some distant hope that Congress will turn around later?

It doesn't make even the shadow of sense logically.

>>133497241
>quit sperging out and acting like the internet needs to be regulated differently than it is now.
....
We need to make alternatives to Youtube

>>133497460
This

>>133498544
A toll road is allowed to ask more from heavy traffic but they can't forbid something like transporting carrots.

Similary ISP can ask more for 100mbs plan than 20mbps one but they shouldn't be allowed to police content.

>>133491810
yeah, no.

There are other, less desirable options for internet.
Satellite Internet has high latency, but is acceptable for movies, web browsing, and other non-real time activities.

>>133497894
there's no such thing. If you have access to a smalltime ISP you're lucky, the majority of Americans are cucked by one of the giants and have no choice in the matter.

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Anyone arguing that users are using too much bandwidth doesn't understand the way any of this works. You pay for 10mbps. It's like a speed limit. If I travel 10 miles a month and it takes me 1 second or I travel 1000 miles a month and it takes me 100 seconds, doesn't matter. I paid for the speed, not the mileage. You are physically restrained by the speed limit. If an isp can't support the speed limit with the amount of cars on the road it's because they are advertising the same speed limit they could support when there was less traffic.

The only issue is how much traffic is on the highway at a given time. That's the bottleneck. They shouldn't have advertised and sold their service based on the speeds of their highways if they can't support that many cars.

>>133498824

Netflix paid their ISP
Comcast's customers paid Comcast to go to Netflix
The US Government subsidized the building of said "roads"

But Comcast should get to shake-down Netflix just because? Yeah, No.

>>133498761
What's stopping CNN from paying ISP's to block all access to 4chan now?

>>133493487
how so? Again - I'm more worried about ISPs than I am some cucks in Silicon Valley. My response to >>133493808 is that you have the freedom to choose another non Google search engine. But you don't have the freedom to choose an ISP. I'm hesitant about the "government is going to use it to get into the internet even more" but considering that ISP's bend over backwards for this, I don't know if I consider this a good point.

>>133498311
Well if Trump did what he was supposed to do about lobbying, we'd be on a good path to. As it currently stands, a lot of states have laws that prevent new ISP's from cropping up. My state had something that stopped a new ISP from coming in from another state - IE google fiber. So they had to establish a Google branch in Colorado and I think we will be allowed to have fiber soon.

>>133498637
who?

>>133498088
By that same token, Time Warner blocked all traffic to archive.is a month ago. That net neutrality is really working out for you right?

>>133498872
WITH NET NEUTRALITY:
ISP CABLES(INTERNET CABLES) = ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
REGULATORS, INVENTORS OF INTERNET = GOVERNMENT LAWS ON ROAD (GOVERNMENT+INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION PROPERTY)
WEB SITE = CAR ON ROAD (USER OF INTERNET PROPERTY)


WITHOUT NET-NEUTRALITY:
ISP CABLES(INTERNET CABLES) = ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
REGULATORS, INVENTORS OF INTERNET = GOVERNMENT LAWS ON ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
WEB SITE = CAR ON ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)

>>133498690
It is tangentially implied because how else would Oliver know what's against their interests?

>>133489142
This is literally not happening, nor will it ever happen

>>133498440
>what are appellate court rulings?

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>>133497869
"""against""" Time Warner's interests. Wow you're dumb.

>>133497812
Muh greater leftwing censorship. Thanks, government!

>>133498088
See above. Shill. Nice 8s tho

>>133497833
Good observation

>>133497890
You're dumb. Trust busting is fine, NN is backdoor censorship.

>>133498123
Wrong, try living here fag!

>>133498036
This

>>133498231
B is superior and none of the shit you say will happen.

Get fucked dnc shill.

>>133498232
Cute sakura

>>133498240
The problem here is assuming net neutrality will fix that, as if by magic.

>>133498289
Haha

>>133498468
Shill

>>133498637
Yep

>>133498688
>only cares about ISPs
>it's okay when silicon valley censors you, suck it up snowflake

If you're not paid, then you're either a troll or an exceptionally bad person(leftist).

>>133498690
You're really dumb.

>>133498761
Shill...

>>133498824
This

>>133498994
Very much this

>>133499106
>It's about protecting free speech and treating all data as equal!
>Actually it's about protecting Hollywood's bottom line!

I hate you

Jesus Christ, you trump cucks will do literally anything to avoid the cognitive dissonance that comes with admitting his policies are shit and do literally nothing to benefit you

>>133488817
>Internets is a finite resource that needs to be conserved.
>Those poor internet miners not protected without net neutrality.
>Think about the children working in those mines just so we can have all of our internets that we use so much.

I can't wait till ISPs use upcoming laws to restrict access to sites like 4chan by whitelisting the internet.

You know it's coming /pol/ and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll pay for basic service which will be the top 50 websites or expanded service which will be the top 500 websites with sites like 4chan being unavailable on any package. Those few thousands who use VPNs to access 4chan will hover around until they're squeezed out of existence by 4chan's inability to pay for itself.

Within 10 years there will be no /pol/ or anything like it again.

>the government NEEDS to meddle with our internet or else we'll end up like China where the government meddles with their internet

>>133497166
I know, pisses me off I can't spam pony porn without getting banned

>>133498544
We pay taxes for infrastructure. Some of our tax dollars go towards the roads, and some goes towards buying and burying fiber along side the road. Companies should not have a say about who gets to use our fiber and at which speeds just like they can’t enforce rules on the road.

>>133499106
>US Government subsidized the "roads"
The ISPS pay for all that infrastructure.

>>133499082
Satellite isn't viable because most of them have data caps.

>>133499143
NET
NEUTRALITY
IDIOT

>>133498468
That infrastructure takes a good 30 years to pay off though, they're changing the rules right at the point the telecom had to invest again. Don't pretend their making a lot of money, other than the big three, the industry is hemorrhaging.

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I'm pretty sure both sides are jewish so I don't even know which jew will kike us the least.

>People saying that NN allows government to meddle with our internet
>Can't realise that NN has been around for 12 years
>Where is the meddeling?????

>>133498120
>They can't throttle so therefore anything else they do is okay
>Fucking regard
The other stuff is a complete different subject.

Google can do their thing additionally to the site blocking of ISPs.

The only question is, why would you want your ISP to be able to blackmail hosts for money by blocking their internet access at their own will?

>>133497833
>live in a country where large portions of the population only have a "choice" of a single monopolistic IP
>supports allowing IP's to do whatever the fuck they want
Good goyim.

>>133499326
WITH NET NEUTRALITY:
ISP CABLES(INTERNET CABLES) = ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
REGULATORS, INVENTORS OF INTERNET = GOVERNMENT LAWS ON ROAD (GOVERNMENT+INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION PROPERTY)
WEB SITE = CAR ON ROAD (USER OF INTERNET PROPERTY)


WITHOUT NET-NEUTRALITY:
ISP CABLES(INTERNET CABLES) = ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
REGULATORS, INVENTORS OF INTERNET = GOVERNMENT LAWS ON ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)
WEB SITE = CAR ON ROAD (ISP PROPERTY)

oh boy these trumptards would even let sessions impregnate their mothers if trump was in favor of it.

>>133499326

>when you call everyone else in here a shill but you're literally ajit pai

shouldn't you be sucking comcast's sweaty cock?

>>133499340
Nancy Peloci is for it.

>>133499511
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/06/27/google-hands-over-user-data-for-94-of-law-enforcement-requests/#772b80492f89

>If you're anti-NN you're retarded and have an iq of 0

>>133498656
>so the answer to government sanctioned cartels is government regulation?
That's the sticking point for most anti-NN people. Trying to fix a government created problem with more government. The alternative in this situation though is to turn more power over to the ISPs, which with the government's blessing, have largely captive audiences.

The Net Neutrality issue is a lot more multi-faceted and nuanced than the simplistic, hyperbolic arguments you see across 4chan and plebbit. I would love to see the passion from both sides turned instead to breaking up the regional monopolies somehow, but I don't know the best way to go about that. Most will say it's a pipe dream anyway and so we should just resign ourselves to enjoying someone's dick.

>>133499046
>A toll road is allowed to ask more from heavy traffic but they can't forbid something like transporting carrots.

Yes they can.
In fact, may privately owned roads do not allow transportation of specific materials.
Example: Nuclear Waste, Acids, Incendiary Cargo, open-top produce trucks, logs, etc.

>>133499417
The internet has has huge amounts of tax payer funding. Millions of our tax dollars are being spent now with the connect America fund.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/connect-america-fund-phase-ii-faqs

>>133499148
>My state had something that stopped a new ISP from coming in from another state - IE google fiber. So they had to establish a Google branch in Colorado and I think we will be allowed to have fiber soon.
Are you a paid Google shill or just a volunteer?