Pearl harbour

9/11 was a drone strike.

Does it count as a false flag if you know someone will attack you and you do nothing to prevent it so you can justify going to war with them after?

Bay of Pigs was a band of trained monkeys armed with airsoft guns.

>>133431689
no. just seems strange that they attack and are then are on the back foot for the entire war.

>>133431923
Probably didn't expect to lose at midway

>>133431923
Japs literally can't into anything

they lost too many carriers at midway and were fucked after that (in no way were they on the backfoot before that battle)

>>133431423
Because Japan really did do it. There was no false flagging involved. It was a stand down operation.

>>133431923

They took a gamble and it didn't work out.

>>133433146
I'm leaning towards this conclusion. The problem was that FDR wanted ti get involved in WW 2 badly

well the whole point was to cripple the US navy, which didn't work. The reason they weren't too aggressive in the war was because they expected not to have to worry about the US

>>133431423
Because the US wasn't actually being PH
What the US did was impose crippling sanctions on Japan, give them ludicrous ultimatums, then place their outdated Pacific fleet in an easy to hit location

>>133433357
This, the Japanese were just trying to buy time. They knew from the start that they couldn't win, but it was either go down swinging or agree to US demands without a fight

>>133433412
I've never done a thorough study, but all the details of what I've heard and read about the technicalities of the situation point to that. It's interesting that even Wikipedia gives it a pretty fair shake as a legitimate possibility.

Folks in the IC in particular tend to take it for granted that it was, with some claiming it was even part of their initial cirriculum.

Back in my day when some yellow faggost destroy the whole Pacific fleet on a Sunday morning,It's time to vaporize 2 cities and 250000 Japs.

>>133433905
But FDR had a lot of resistance in the US parlament in entering ww2. If they didn't attack you could have stayed out of the war.

>>133434135
Which is why they let PH happen
Also, the "resistance" to entering WW2 was greatly overstated. We were unofficially at war in '41 with Germany after declaring much of the Atlantic an "exclusion zone"

>>133431423
Everything the USA does is a falseflag, anon.

>>133431923
>then are on the back foot for the entire war
What a surprise, bongs don't know shit about history.

>>133434436
Exactly. Maybe Japan hoped in a sea victory in the pacific and an advantagiuos peace traeaty for them.