Cost of Raising one kid to adulthood is $240,000

>>133414771
I very much doubt you'll be forced to make up your mind, as circumstance seems likely to take care of your problem for you.

>>133415002
What did he mean by this?

>>133415256
Nobody's gonna want to have kids with you, you poor dope.

Literally chump change. Kys if you can't raise a child or three today.

>>133416516
>$720,000
>Chump change

A

FUCKING

LEAF

>>133414771
Mommy milky

Your life is pointless if you don't have kids.

>>133414771
Ecks dee

>>133414771
>I could buy a sports car, go on a luxury vacation every year with friends, have sex with tons of quality hookers, etc.

You are so fucking retarded, I can't believe it.

you're right

YOU shouldn't have kids

>>133414771
Factor out the tax deductions poorfag.

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word, shit's gettin cray cray yo, dem kids be gettin prepped fo da bull nawm wha'am sayin??

>>133417124
>Your life is pointless if you don't have kids.

Top kek, failure white trash detected. Popping out some shitty kids white your whore wife doesn't make you better than men who didn't.

Was George Washington's life pointless cause he didn't have kids? Was Isaac Newton's life pointless because he didn't have kids? Was Beethovens life pointless because he didn't have kids? Was Nikola Tesla's life pointless because he didn't have kids?

this number is just the "average"

you're forgetting the dindu tax. how many white parents spend to try to get their sons away from them?

in some cities the cost of raising ONE KID is 50k a year, in usa

>>133417124
No, life is pointless if you don't have any goals or are doing nothing with your time. The biological purpose of life is to have offspring, sure.

This thread is going to devolve into faggots who had kids thinking that their little autists are Gods gift to the Earth (like all parents), like always.

There are enough people on the planet, when the cheap oil runs out billions are going to die or wish they were dead. I'm not bringing children into the nightmare that awaits us all, civilization and the mental illness that has been western civilization is already in the process of collapsing. Enjoy your shitposting while you can, and be sure to read Cormac McCarthy's 'The Road'.

Meanwhile I have 3 kids and a wife who doesn't work. I make 48k a year own a house in a decent neighborhood and never had money issues.

>>133417491
I'm not a poorfag, I make 96k a year as a pharmacist with no student debt cause my parents payed for college and pharm school.

>>133417249

nice ad-hom mayonigger

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>>133417799
I'm in the same boat as you. I make 50K, have a house and am engaged, and save money every month. Seems like complete bullshit numbers designed to convince youth not to procreate

>>133414771
First of all, if you raise your kids then it's a long term investment. Who's going to look after you when you're old?
Secondly, what's even the point of life then? Continuing your bloodline is the most important thing.

>>133414771
You're a leaf please Don't breed.

>>133414771
>estimate at $12,824 a year,
Please tell me why you need to spend $12,824 a year?

>>133418049
>if you raise your kids
*raise your kids right

>>133414771

Niggers are poor yet have kids.

>>133414771
you could just not get married senpai
and if you're sex hungry, just get a fucking vasectomy

>>133414771
who this tit cow?

>>133417894
>leaf
>like 20k in real money
>not a poorfag

>>133414771
>$240,000
that sounds grossly exaggerated, I don't think I've made that much money in my life, yet.

>>133417799
>Meanwhile I have 3 kids and a wife who doesn't work. I make 48k a year

Fucking LMAO at having three kids when you make chump change. I make 96k a year at age 26 and would never even consider kids unless I made at least $150,000 a year.

Your kids are going to be going to public schools filled with degenerates, your daughter is going to be a whore and your son is going to listen to nigger music like Drake and Migos like all millenials do in 2017.

If you can't afford sending kids to private Christian school don't bother having kids, the world has enough degenerates already.

>>133415594
Kek

>>133418114
Maybe the kid needs their own apartment and a brand new car?

>>133417124
It's pointless if you do as well.

>>133416738
>not making 90,000 USD a year

I just started 10 months ago. Feels good to have an engineering degree.

>>133418355
96k CAD = 75k USD

I'm still in the top 5% in America and I'm making this as a 26 year old.

>>133415594
Don't explain the joke Sven

>>133418571
How old are you?

>>133414771
A man's sole purpose is to spread his seed. That is why he like big asses, thick legs, big tits, and why we love fighting, combat sports, lifting. We are biologically wired to breed and protect our offspring.
tl;dr you should have kids because that is the most manly thing you can do, but then again I dont expect a low test leaf cuck to understand

>>133418114
Do you honestly think feeding, clothing, sending kids to school, and medical check ups are free? You're definitely fucked if they need something special like braces.

>>133414771
>not even a quarter million per head for the only truly meaningful investment

>>133415002
>>133415256
canadian virgin detected

>>133418208

Because poorfags have their childcare expenses greatly subsidized by the government and most niggers are impoverished leaches

>>133418409
>I make 96k a year at age 26 and would never even consider kids unless I made at least $150,000 a year.
Congratulations youre the reason whites will go extinct

>>133414771
It doesn't really cost that much. They jus CLAIM it does, because they base child support on those numbers. They would claim that it takes 100% of your income, forever, if they could get away with it. Most of it is the housing component, which is ridiculous, because if you pay a mortgage, a lot goes towards the principal, which you recover when you sell the house. Around here, the difference between rent is about $200 for a 2 bedroom vs a one bedroom. So, $250 for rent and a share of the utilities, $300 a month for food, about $100 a month for clothes, say $100 a month for other shit - $750 per month. Which the man should pay half of. When I was grossing $50k, and netting about $40, I was paying about $10,000 a year for one kid. Family court must go, and everyone who worked for that satanic entity must be hung.

>>133418049
>Who's going to look after you when you're old?

We live in the West not in Ukraine m8. Here we have nuclear family not extended family.

People here throw their parents into retirement homes as soon as they can. Literally NO white people I know of let their parents live with them, their wife and kids in the same house.

>>133418836
You're right about minorities but whites are fucked. Obamacare made sure of that.

>>133414771
Then how do African niggers and the Amish shit out 6+ kids per woman? Stop being a pretentious faggot and make your kids live a third world lifestyle in order to save the White Race. You don't need them to have (((education))) and (((health care))).

>>133418771
>Do you honestly think feeding, clothing, sending kids to school, and medical check ups are free?
Where did I say it was $0

>>133418932
If I have kids now who will be then sent to public school they will be brainwashed to hate whites anyways. Would you rather 3 new race traitors be produced by me or zero?

Dumb articles like this that over estimate the cost are just as bad as the various "dont have kids" (only if you're white OFC) articles.


If you are too stupid to buy your kids cheap clothes and food, go through hand me downs and clothes banks/ect then I for one am glad you dont have kids

>>133419221
Homeschool them

>>133419221
private schools not that different. the difference is that he wouldnt get stabbed

>>133419174
>>133418208

Look up "r vs. K selection theory".

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>>133418937
Marriage is another facet of kids I forgot to mention. Every marriage is a 3way: you, her, and Uncle Sam. The early years, you barely know Sam is there. A license for the marriage, and some minor changes at tax time. Other than that, it is pretty easy to forget all about him. Life is good.

But Sam is just being patient. The marriage hits a rough patch after your first kid is born. Fortunately, things get better. You both genuinely enjoy being parents, so a couple years later, you have a second kid. And a second rough patch. Only this time it doesn't get better. You double down, determined to make it work. But eventually your wife announces she wants out. Too late, you realize Uncle Sam is in your house. He has been all along. He drops his pants, and his massive dick: the $1 billion divorce industry -- rips into you.

He tears you apart. All your hopes and plans for the future? Gone. Your ambitions and dreams? Irrelevant. Your careful savings and investments? Sam pillages them without mercy. A decade of sweat and hard work, erased in an instant.

Your wife is long gone, but Uncle Sam still visits. Once a month, he shows up demanding money. Send the checks to the ex, or get fucked again. Next time he won't be so gentle. "Keep her happy," he warns you. "If she complains too much, I can take your kids, your passport, your career, and even your freedom."

>>133414771
I want to make many white children with that woman

>>133418836
This, also >>133419566

People are letting r-breeders live in K breeder societies, this winds up dragging everyone who keeps the system running down.

>>133414771
How? I make 40k a year and have 5 kids and still live good as fuck. Oh wait I live in the South. Cheap shit

Expenses for twin boys aged 7

>12,000 private school for two
>900 for toys and stuff
>cloths maybe 200 this last year
>food is at most 100/month
>two hospital visits for 200 total
So I got to 14.4k for two kids in last year.

I forget the cost of baseball and soccer.

Thats absolutely not a thing

>>133419566
Then Whites should start adopting r-selection instead of K-selection.

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>>133420026
>not marrying a traditional southeast asian girl

When will white men realize that white women are literally the reason for all of the problems in western society?

12k a year is literally below min wage in many places and anyone working min wage with a kid gets welfare, period

>>133420344
Your kids still go to public school. They will be jamming out to drake, migos, and other various types of degenerate nigger music and if you have a daughter she will probably have sex with many high school boys before marriage. They will also be taught in public school to hate their race and culture, seems like a waste of resources to produce degenerates imo.

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>>133418937
>$750 per month
thats about right for me if you consider me staying at home worth minimum wage

>>133414771
>Only 12k a year
So what I'm hearing is anyone making 38k and up can afford children

>>133414771
money isnt real

>>133414771
>I could buy a sports car, go on a luxury vacation every year with friends, have sex with tons of quality hookers, etc.
Or pay for the majority cost of a nice house and then when you're old and it's paid off you have equity in a physical good. I'm sure the money you "save" would be wasted regardless because of your obvious lack of financial sense.

>>133422051
>I'm sure the money you "save" would be wasted regardless because of your obvious lack of financial sense.
or just fucking life sense. who wants to die alone?

>>133416738
Kill yourself.

>>133420625
>implying I send them to public schools

>>133418041
You don't have a house, you have a fuckload of debt

>>133414771
Are you so fucking poor that it matters?

I mean duck man,somebody has to raise those kids. WTF is a quarter million?


Fuxk.

>>133422051
I was joking about the sports cars and hookers. I drive a 2005 corolla and have $80k in my savings.

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>>133422819
but paying a mortgage is cheaper than rent bro

That's it? For their whole life to that point? Fuck off kike that's nothing.

>>133422850
I want to send my kids to private school like my father did. He made 5 times what I currently make though working as an anesthesiologist so I probably will never be able to afford sending my kids to a good school like he did.

>>133414771
WTF???

How do you do it so cheap?
The cost of raising 1 child in Australia is $1,000,000.00 until the age of 18!

>>133423146
>>133414771
>
The most recent thorough modelling on the cost of raising kids in Australia, released last year by AMP and The University of Canberra, found the cost of raising two kids in Australia for a family on a middle income will set you back $812,000. For a higher income family, the cost rises to $1.09 million from the time the kids are born to when they leave home, while a lower income family can get away with spending $474,000.

>>133419566
Not valid. You should t have kids if you're so insecure.

>>133414771
Kids do not cost that much, its the biggest lie ever.

>>133423501
Fuck off Angelina Jolie

>>133423501
Source?

>>133418409
Yeah well..he'll actually HAVE kids and your inferior genetic line won't exist any more.

>>133414771
I call bullshit, im friends with a trailer trash poverty stricken guy and he's one of like 5 kids. They always had clothes and food.

>>133414771
>Cost of Raising one kid to adulthood is $240,000
nah nah nah nah nah. Nope. You mean: If you are white.

This is who all of this shit is directed at.

>>133423293
My dad always yells at those ads.

>>133423802
Its targeted at people on welfare you fucking idiot.

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>>133422195
pic related
>>133422746
But also this. They could set up a decent private school somewhere cheap without the degenerate influences.

>>133424005
Your dad sounds awesome.
Would fug

>>133423732

Think about it. How much does it cost to feed yourself? Unless you send your kid to private school, or it has medicinal needs, the actual cost is closer to 5k a year, if that.

>>133414771

Only way I'd ever consider having even a single kid is if I already had a fair amount of wealth built up, and had a completely loyal, 100% white wife to dump my Aryan seed into.

>tfw 23 and childless

Man child life is best life

Statistics like that are anti-natalist propaganda. Children DO NOT cost that much to raise, not even close. And the cost per child drops dramatically the more you have.

Anti-natalists fuck off.

>>133424776
Same. I'm trying to get to that point but if I don't I'll just date women till I'm old and can't get young girls anymore.

(((They))) found a way to penalize people for having children.

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>>133414771
It's honestly better that you don't, OP. I mean you specifically.
Children are like jazz - if you have to ask "Why would I have kids", you shouldn't have kids.

Facebook makes this interesting. Look at older people's friends. Read posts fo those who have kids, and those who don't. Those who don't are still posting about bands and music, and cool Japanese things, and shit like that at 40, 50, etc. Those with kids just seem much more adult, substantial, etc.

If you don't have kids, you stay a kid, basically. There are obvious exceptions to the rule, but it still seems to be a rule.

>>133415002
a tourist visiting Sweden with the bants; can't be a real Swede, can it?

>>133417784
>The average Hedonist's goals
>Finding "themselves"
>Another word for sleeping with multiple people and become a fat slob that nobody would fuck

>>133418409
Yeah we all believe you. There is no way you're a 15 year old nerd.

>>133418771
The point is that it's not even close to the 1000 canadian dollars they estimate.

>>133425637
Most young men are doing the same thing though. Look at the drop in marriage rates and look at the studies on mens view on marriage:

>Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Men don't want to get married and reproduce anymore because they see that the cost outweighs the benefit.

>>133414771
>$240,000

wtf that's like not much money

>>133417568
fake ?

>>133426157
Not all of us are rich.

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>>133414771

Because it's your biological imperative. If you don't have a plan to start a family by the time you're in your mid-20's, then you're broken in some way. There is no greater indicator that a man's genes are an evolutionary dead end than him making the fetishizing of objects a priority over having children.

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>>133425637
>Those with kids just seem much more adult, substantial, etc

Look, here's our son dressed like a girl! Isn't he cute? Like & share!

>>133414771
>>133425621
New thread guys! :)

>>133426632
>white people who get their life in order first and then have kids in their mid-30's are broken, niggers and muzzies are not
>natural=good
>civilization=bad

What did he yankee mean by this?

>>133426632
>If you don't have a plan to start a family by the time you're in your mid-20's, then you're broken in some way.

Yeah George Washingotn, Isaac Newton, Beethoven, Tesla, Galelieo, Plato etc. were all losers. You, living in your trailer park with your 10 kids and wife on meth are truly superior to them because you fucked some 80 iq trash babies into your drug addict gf.

>>133427101

If you don't have your life in order by the time you're 30, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe that's also a solid indicator of inferior genes.

>>133426292
Amortized over 18 years with decreasing cost per child and considering the child's future earnings, no, not really. You won't live forever, and your children will help you in your old age. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, but it sure as hell is the norm.

>>133427333
Of course he's superior - he fulfilled his biological imperative! Just like Tyrone fulfills his every time he kills a member of his rival gang. A man was designed to fuck and kill, you guys have no business judging him. In fact, if you haven't killed anyone before you are 25, then you're broken in some way. There is no greater indicator that a man's genes are 100% beta than him not killing those who wrong him or his loved ones.

>>133425637
>a tourist visiting Sweden with the bants; can't be a real Swede, can it?
Born and bred. In Sweden, that is, not by blacks, although someone may well decide to do something about the latter if I don't watch my back.

>>133427483
Do you believe your genes are superior to that of George Washingotn, Isaac Newton, Beethoven, Tesla, Galileo, and Plato?

What have you invented? how have you revolutionized the fields of science, philosophy, music, etc.? Redpill me on what makes you superior to them? What have you contributed?

>>133425247
This. Some upper class retards with money to throw around on useless shit were used to get these statistics.
I can't fathom how anyone would believe this

>>133427924
He's made a few kids who will consume and pollute just like him. And then they'll make a few more kids just like that until the last of his bloodline finally goes "fuck this shit" and walks into the sunset without reproducing.

>>133414771

Wow you're so right, you've really convinced me to spend all my earnings on myself and let my country/civilisation go down the toilet.

Brilliant original and thought-provoking post here, five stars.

>>133428164
The sad thing is you are probably right.

>>133428463
pls don't reproduce britbro, the world doesn't need more ugly people.

>>133428164
>He's made a few kids who will consume and pollute just like him. And then they'll make a few more kids just like that until the last of his bloodline finally goes "fuck this shit" and walks into the sunset without reproducing.

You sound like Mephistopheles from Faust. Pull yourself together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kdV-TBQZDw

>>133418702
>I dont expect a low test leaf cuck to understand

Becoming a father lowers testosterone levels SIGNIFICANTLY:

>Becoming a father linked to reduced testosterone in men – and less sex

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/14/father-reduced-testosterone-men-sex

Bullshit. I've spent twice that on school fees.

>>133428892
>Jordan Peter's son

Should have known.

>buying a luxury car that devalues the second you touch it
>sleeping with loose women who could get you thrown in jail for rape accusation
>going on a year vacation footing the bill for friends like a cuck

Ok leaf

>>133427924

If you're setting the bar at Beethoven and Newton for breeding, it's no wonder that you have such an inferiority complex. Look, it's clear that you're not fit to breed so I'm not going to try to convince you to. But for anyone else that's reading this that has actual promise... Get a degree, find a Christian woman with a degree, and build a relationship entirely founded on honesty. Prosperity flows from truth, and children can flow from prosperity, and I promise you that raising children is more fulfilling and more meaningful than any videogame or sports car.

>>133414771
This is short-sighted thinking. When you are old you will have nothing and no one, as you watch everyone around you die or go away. You'll be a lonely old man and when you die, it will be days, maybe weeks or months, before anyone even discovers the body because you died with not one single person giving a fuck about you. You choose this for yourself.

>>133429407
>>sleeping with loose women who could get you thrown in jail for rape accusation
Not even that, but literal whores. I feel a bit sorry for OP, who thinks he's in the running for procreation when he doesn't even think he'd be able to fuck around with women without paying for it.

>>133429665
>If you're setting the bar at Beethoven and Newton for breeding

No I'm saying those men didn't breed. By your logic they are failures at life.

>>133429665
>find a Christian woman with a degree
And you have the nerve to talk about setting the bar high.
>>133429964
Well, they are failures of evolution, since they decided not to pass on their genes.

>>133430103

So back American men are superior to white American men because blacks have 10 kids each with 10 different women?

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>>133429665
>women
>a relationship entirely founded on honesty

>>133429964
>>133430103

>What is kin selection?

Some men are prepared to lay down their life for 2 brothers or 8 cousins. I have a strong feeling that neither of you are contributing to your kin directly, indirectly, and will continue to contribute nothing until you sort yourselves out.

>>133416738
>$720,000
>over a combined 54 years
Shit is chump change.

Good thing 240k=1 year income for me

>>133430848
Depends on how many times the kids reproduce, really. And who knows, maybe in the future blacks will die out, in which case whites would be the evolutionary victors. But those who didn't reproduce along the way were evolutionary failures no matter what.

>>133414771
>$13,000 a year
this sounds like bullshit.

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baby im unmarried

>>133414771
Under a quarter mill per kid? What, are you raising brown babies or something? Seems like a low number, monsieur leaf.

>>133417124
pointless?
whats the point if you have kids?
lol
Im having fun fun fun
0 kids
fuuuukkk that!!

>>133420550
damn
im anto feminism now

Whats included a fucking house? 240k is bullshit
cya

in th eold days kids MADE you money

jews have really jewed things

>>133431160
Are you a doctor? My dad was one and before retired he was making 450k a year.

>>133429931
Are you a time traveler from the 1800's or are you just a dumb fuck? Whether you have kids or not, you'll end up alone in a nursing home. Your kids will have their own lives in another city, in another country, maybe even another continent. And even if by some miracle your kids will be such losers that they stick around like leeches and hold your hand while you pass away, you'll still die alone - they won't come with you. And soon nobody won't give a fuck about you. I don't know anything about the parents of my grandparents, nothing. Not their names, not their jobs, not what they looked like, not what they approved of or disapproved of, where they traveled etc. I can't even be sure that they ever existed.

And on top of that, if you can't find new friends among other old people, you deserve to be alone.

>>133414771
You mean you would rack up a substantial amount of debt and then work in cubicle until you are 70.

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>>133418409
Anon, who hurt you?

>>133431861
Great argument based on nothing but emotions and solipsism.

>>133431686
>Whether you have kids or not, you'll end up alone in a nursing home. Your kids will have their own lives in another city, in another country, maybe even another continent

Truth. I'll never understand the people who have kids because they are afraid of dying alone.

We live in a society based on the nuclear family not the extended family. NOT ONE American/European/Australian person on /pol/ let's their mom and dad live with them, I can guarantee it.

>>133414771
You're a hedonistic waste of life and on the Day of the Rope we'll finally fix the mistake that is your existence.

>thrift for cloths
>actually feed your kids food instead of frozen shit or ordering out every day
>they can play all your old video games you still have
>still have enough to send them to private school

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I was redpilled when I started looking around at college.

How do you view your life once you are 40+? Secondly, if you do have kids, how old do you want to be when they are themselves old enough to start a family?

In general terms, age 40 only the halfway point. You got an entire second half of your life to ensure you maintain happiness and purpose in life. It seemed, if you are lucky enough, that probably the proudest thing you could possibly have at that age is a handsome and cohesive family. If you are able to lead men, you are sure as hell as fuck qualified to be able to lead your family members. Betas and plebs need not apply.

>>133426134
>>133426292
Most men arn't against have kids, it's the crazy wife that divorces you for half your wealth and then takes the kids that you raised that's the problem.

What a load of bs propoganda. Plenty of people can have children far cheaper than that with a little planning and use of gibs. Don't listen to this kike shit pol/ have as many as you can if able and don't listen to the fags itt who make excuses about degeneracy.

>>133432198
If you kill me I win.

>>133432714
You will still send your kids to public school where they will become degenerates who idolize nigger culture. I don't know how old you are grandpa but you haven't seen the state of our youth firsthand.

>>133431998
Maybe it would be better if more people in western countries (whites in particular) stopped with the nuclear family shit and went back to the ways before? like with multiple generations under the same roof and grandparents and other family members more easily available for daycare and making use of resources more efficient and affordable. I mean if we want more white people that seems like the thing to encourage.

>>133417784
This is completely valid and I agree with it, but god fucking dammit I'm not giving up. I've had my fatalist thoughts and my beta suicide talk and my nihilist phase and my epicurean hedonism phase but I just can't shake my instinct. My genes need to go on.

With regards to civilization, whatever happens happens but I'm never gonna stop trying. I've had a lot of suffering and frustration in my life and I'm still here, a little bit better, stronger than I've ever been physically, fitter than I've beer been at 35. Sure I'm getting up there but you would never know it if I didn't tell you. Suicide is not an option. Quitting based on pragmatic financial analysis is not an option. I owe it to all the people who came before me. They toiled, they sweated, they slept in the sweltering heat, they fixed broken limbs and fought off infections, they followed the herds of game, they fled the marauding hordes, they killed, stole, scraped, clawed, gave up, and pressed on. I'm utterly cynical about our future and completely disenchanted with the present, but fools and thieves are responsible for that. It was once good and it can be good again. The world needs strong and virtuous people with the will that I can foster in a child. Suicide is not an option. The play isn't over. You skate til the whistle.

>>133431998
>NOT ONE American/European/Australian person on /pol/ let's their mom and dad live with them, I can guarantee it

Quoted for the truth.

When the time comes, all the tradcuck white nationalist breeders of /pol/ will stick their parents in a nursing home. But THEIR kids will of course take care of them in the year 2060!

>>133433229
They will only become niggers if you don't raise them right or send them to a good school. Your awfully defeatist anon kun, maybe get some air and sunshine for a bit some time?

>>133422195
I want to live alone .

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Compare the two belief structures of two different men. Here’s the first man, very well represented by many men in the manosphere and alt-right:

>“I have to get traditionally married because I have to have kids because I have to make sure a wife and lots of kids and grandkids are around me when I get old and die because only that will make me happy when I’m an old man.”

Let’s compare that to another guy’s belief:

>“I will be very happy as an old man, and when I die, as long as one or two close friends are with me.”

I’m not going to compare the pro’s and con’s of each of those two belief structures. You might find one stupid and one great, or both of them good, or both of them silly. That’s fine. I’m just here to show you the realities and logistics behind each of these two belief structures.

The reality is that, in the modern era and the Western world, the first man is going to live a life of drama, limitations, cheating, divorce, child custody battles, and all kinds of other chaos and bullshit. He will constantly be looking for his unicorn woman who doesn’t exist and constantly have relationships (and marriages) that blow up in his face.

Conversely, the second man is likely going to live a reasonably smooth life. He may get married, or he may not. He may have kids, or he may not. He doesn’t have to do anything other than to find one or two close friends when he’s in his 70’s or 80’s. That’s a much easier goal than what the first guy is seeking. The point is that it’s much easier for the second guy to be happy than the first guy.

Ps. Be very careful whose advice you take (mine included). We are not going to be there to deal with the consequences of your decisions and carrying the load on our shoulders, you are. Only you. Alone. The guy who urges you to marry won't pick the tab on your alimony and the guy who urges you to stab traitorous politicians won't be there to defend you in court. Follow your senses.

>>133433359
Grow the fuck up and understand that the genie is not going back into the bottle again.

>>133433359
>Maybe it would be better if more people in western countries (whites in particular) stopped with the nuclear family shit and went back to the ways before

This would be ideal but I don't know how that would be possible. White parents kick their kids out at age 18 and the kids return the favour by kicking them into a retirement home as soon as possible when they get old. The poo in the loo and chink kids I know however live with their parents until they are 25-30 and established in their career then return the favour by taking care of their parents when they are old.

>>133433889
>We are not going to be there to deal with the consequences of your decisions and carrying the load on our shoulders, you are. Only you. Alone. The guy who urges you to marry won't pick the tab on your alimony and the guy who urges you to stab traitorous politicians won't be there to defend you in court. Follow your senses.

This

>>133434027
"Be careful!" - DJT

>>133414771
12k, considering healthcare is free I can't even fucking imagine how you get to 12k a year,

you could feed your kid a prime rib every fucking day for less than that. wtf

>>133434356
The problem with this statement is that it's in essence no help.

Peoples reality doesn't exist in a vacuum. You formed by everything. From what you see on TV to what some genuis wrote down 3000 years ago.
You are a product of the collective memory of humanity and the shitty YouTube video you watched.

Are you really that sure that your own mind and intelligence will guide you trough your life in the best possible way?

>>133434721
idk that's what the study said.

>>133435310
All he's saying is to be mindful of the advice people give you and to understand the consequences of following that advice.

>>133435438
Im not arguing here. I tried to point out that while it seems like great advice in reality it leaves you just where you started.

At least that's how I feel. I got a similar advise as a teenager and I followed it.
But I find myself just as lost in moral possibilities as I was before.

My post might have come of a little emo. The point is basically:

That statement sounds smart and helpful -its really not.

>>133436109
It is for me. I've known that I don't want kids since I was in my early teens and now all the shaming and pleading from tradcucks just bounces off me.

They give me advice, they try to convince me to get married, move in together with a woman, have kids etc. but they won't be there if I decide to do that. It's very easy to spread around advice when you don't have to deal with the consequences - I have to, because it's my body and my life. Some /pol/tard tells me to have kids, I follow his advice, my kid ends up becoming a tranny or getting gangraped by Muslims and the /pol/tard who told me to have kids won't even know it. It won't exist for him but it sure as hell will for me.

In the end, telling other people on this board to "get married and have kids" is on the same level as "kys". Maybe poster you told to an hero actually commited sudoku, maybe not. You'll never know and you don't give a fuck.

>>133436885
I understand the argument.
But how do you know that your idea of not having kids is just as planted in your head by people who don't care about you?
(Especially since from an historic point of view that's a very new idea)

Im not arguing pro/con kids.

Im just challenging the idea that your/peoples ideas are actually their own ideas.

We tend to think that what feels good is us/our true idea.
And what feels bad just propaganda from people who don't care.

Doesn't seem to be a very reliable way to pick your destiny by.

>>133417746
>Was George Washington's life pointless cause he didn't have kids?

>Martha Washington
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Washington
>She and Washington did not have children together but they did rear her two children by Daniel Parke Custis

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKIN BURGS BTFOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

LITERALLY A NATION OF KEKS HAHAHAHAHHA

>>133414771
>buy a sports car
>remove yourself from the gene pool

Go for it, defect.

>>133438166
That doesn't change the argument.

There are people who did incredible things without ever having kids.
Arguably because the didn't have kids.

The real question is if you are on the level of genuis men who changed the world.

>>133414771
I am a single father and it costs me about $4000 CAD to raise my daughter.

This is only $72000.

>>133414771
>having a kid brings a new person into the world
>kid costs an amount equivalent to taking care of another human being
NO SHIT

>>133414771
but thats like 5$ in real money

$240,000 ? Ov vey goyim, somebody ought to tell all the Africans

>>133438426
It's not supposed to change the argument. I was pointing out that Georgie was a cuck. I didn't even know that until just now. Did you? Now laugh at my funny post.

>>133427924
>Why the FUCK would I have kids when it costs so much and my money could be better spent elsewhere?
I know hedonism is your preference, so I'll give you an argument not against hedonism, but how hedonism itself can justify having children. These pleasures you cite are carnal pleasures, not much different than drugs. Chasing such pleasures make you no different than a rat constantly pressing a button that jolts their brain. Yet, the rat must always keep pressing the button and the pleasure it feels keep diminishing. The rat must find a source of a stronger jolt, which will either kill it or repeat the entire process. Quick pleasures that flood your brain with dopamine, quickly go away. What ends up happening is you live in a binary state of depression and ecstasy between button presses.

There is a true pleasure, that we have felt since the dawn of man. It is acquired through conquest. In an abstract sense, this can refer to any type of significant problem being solved. What it triggers is your feeling of control. This is known as "locus of control".

>The results of this study indicated that, happiness is positively and significantly related to self-control. Furthermore, self-control was the strongest predictor for happiness. Conclusion: It was also suggested that self-control is positively and significantly related to LOC.
http://archive.is/7Pq4l

It's a simple concept, the more control over your mind, body and physical reality that you have, the greater the pleasure and happiness you feel. This is why a great hooker is pleasurable, but only temporarily as you end up running out of money eventually. Yet, this is only one part of the equation, the other part is facing a problem. This problem may be a scientific one, a political one, a social one or anything else. The key fact must be that not everyone has the capability to solve it. All conquests require struggle, yet done enough times struggle in the pursuit of conquest becomes enjoyable.

Cont.

>>133438003
>But how do you know that your idea of not having kids is just as planted in your head by people who don't care about you?

But how?

I wasn't exposed to any sort of anti-natalist material, quite the contrary in fact. But I saw how shit my own home life was (alcoholic, depressed parents who hated each other, only coldness and distance between them). I saw how shit the marriages of men I knew were. I felt and still feel disgusted by babies and annoyed by young kids. I saw how women behave, especially if they are taken. And I've read tons of literature and statistics that confirm all my views. The only arguments from the opposing side are rooted in emotions and washed down with shaming language. "You'll die alone! Muh white race! Genetic dead end! Your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was raped by a pack of rabid squirrels, you owe it to him to reproduce! God will hate you if you don't! Only meaning of life is to reproduce like a fucking virus! Muh biology!"

>>133438426
Also, one should ask themselves "is there a chance that my offspring could be one of those geniuses who will change the world OR will I just shit out yet another mediocre, not-gonna-invent-shit mouthbreeder who will live an unremarkable life and consume and pollute until he/she dies?"

>>133438998

How many $1 a days is that?

>>133439158
Chill. I did laugh.

Firstly, total cost is bullshit.

Source 3 kids

Secondly, economies of scale means that larger families means the cost per child lowers.

>>133439363
You answered your own question.

Your environment is apparently highly disfunctional. So your research towards that matter is possible just confirmation bias. (Not saying it is)

Also there is the influence of Hollywood, internet, media etc. Sweden is a western country so im pretty sure your not getting Hitler family propaganda daily. Probably the opposite altough I don't like to make statements about countrys I never visited.

There are plenty of valid arguments for and against kids. But people are most likely to pick out what fits their feelings.

A lot of pro kids arguments you moked in your post are incredibly strong arguments. Maybe nobody presented them in a proper manner to you.

>>133439212
The greatest conquests of all take longer than a single lifetime. Such a conquest is known as building an empire. What do I mean by empire? Well, it could start with one man creating a family which then creates a kingdom which then creates an empire that controls an entire continent. It could start with one man starting a business which then becomes multinational, which then becomes a corporation worth more than a billion, which then becomes worth more than a trillion and controls various governments. That is conquest. A lifetime of struggle, a lifetime of growth and a lifetime of happiness. Such conquests require planning for what happens after your death, for building an empire that lasts forever is much harder than building one that collapses after your death. This is where children come into play, for your children can inherit more than just your material goods, if raised right your children will inherit your very own will.

In your last moments, do you want to feel the ultimate sadness in knowing your time is done?
Or do you in your last moments want to die with a smirk knowing you've planted the seed that allows you to cheat death and impose your will on society forever?

>>133414771
Don't buy your kid video games, smartphones, a car, and don't constantly feed him crap. Give him hand me down, make him read daily, and make him take up a paper route and later get a job at 16. Builds character. Also, make him go to Church (again, builds character) until he's 18. Make him work out starting at age 12. That will lead to a well rounded, well-read, intelligent, disciplined kid with minimal spending. You're welcome.

>>133429931
that sounds so cool.

>>133434027
Suggesting the encouragement of something more economically sustainable and arguably more natural (considering the nuclear family is an aberration) is not grown up? the genie will never go back in the bottle if all people do is complain and not even try to make things better.

>>133439363
What on Earth is wrong with being mediocre? Are you better then that?

Im genuinely asking. You might be. You might only in certain aspects. The question is if that means anything for the planet or your closer environment.

>>133414771
Fuck, I don't have a kid and I'm 35 already. Where did all those 250k go?

>>133431998
they are really afraid of AGING alone day by day instead of creating a family to grow and age with, experiencing a complete life going from child to man to father to grandfather and becoming the patriarch of the household. if you don't have kids you will just age by yourself fundamentally, living a lonely life, with no one to really invest yourself in, no one to give you a strong reason to survive and stay healthy like having kids would do, and you'll probably end up feeling like you missed the very purpose of life in the end, a lifetime of past times and hobbies appearing like insignificant things compared to the living relationships created by your family life.

that said, i'm probably not going to have kids. it is a vicious circle - what is the point of life? to have kids. who then grow and reach the "what is the point of life?" moment and due to the fear of aging alone decide to reproduce and create a family around them. i think it's a bit pathetic to do that, and i personally think it takes a hell of a lot of guts to truly age by yourself, without creating a family out of thin air to be obligated to live with you and your foibles.

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>>133433035
it's true

>>133418114

Source - http://www.moneysense.ca/save/financial-planning/the-real-cost-of-raising-a-child/

Childcare, increased household cost(wtf is that? Renting home with one extra bedroom? ), increased transportation cost)

Latter two look like a total bullshit to me.

>>133431998
I will. My spouse and I agreed on that without any disagreement.

Just because most people behave in a certain way doesn't mean it's best choice.

>>133434090
Maybe simply copy the poos and chinks and spics? thats what i'm doing. Simply don't dump your parents in some faggy expensive nursing home and make it clear to a significant other your taking care of them and maybe their's too if living arrangements can be made? whites need to start clanning up again for economy of scale if we want to have prosperity and children. Economically we have little choice.

>>133442310

And wait a minute, why they estimate annual childcare up to 18 yo?

>>133415002
Sweden SLAY

>>133414771
Because when all the vacations and fucking and hedonism finally end, the kids would have still been there.

Go visit a nursing home and look for the men who never got married, never had children.

>>133440773

And that's true. Having like 7 children in Canada means you have fuckload of benefits, while kids babysitting each other.

ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS NET NEUTRALITY IS A JEW SHILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7J1o67-Qjo

Holy fucking shit, this video drops hard fucking redpills.

Net Neutrality is jewish in nature and brainwashes our children.

Enjoy being docile human beings for the rest of your life.

>>133414771
give us sauce you motherfucker.

>>133414771
only a true piece of shit measures children in dollar amounts
i bet your childhood was miserable

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What would it cost to have 2 college educated "nannies", who dont just work 8 hours but they work 8 house of over time and also sleep at your house. Shit that would cost you a fortune even at minimum wage. These shit studies always have gotchas like that.

Also remember the same stupid studies that come out ever MOTHERS DAY, where they calculate that a Mother if they were paid would cost about 85k a year. Same bull shit.

t. parent of 4 kids

>>133439363
Every single traditionalist has inherited the will of great men, what they tell you to do is simply in pursuit of that great will. A common will means that some men have impacted society to such an extent that their wills have been permanently etched into the minds of all men born after them. However, not all wills result in perpetual empires, in fact all empires die. The reason their will doesn't affect you is because you've done an analysis that shows it to be futile.

There are people who start their own conquests and there are people who further the conquests of others, often long dead. Both lead to happiness in struggle, as there is a sense of ownership over the future. This is the synthesis of individualism and collectivism. The individualists initiate their own conquests and the collectivists further them. This is not a binary scale and pursuits of conquests can overlap.

Clearly you desire to live and clearly you are an absolute individualist. Stop thinking you're a collectivist that should adopt a great conquest, and initiate your own great conquest.

>>133414771
>can't raise 240k in 18 fucking years
lmao

>>133414771
I'm poor AF and have 5 kids.
The secret is to shop where the mexicans do. Buy in bulk. Costco and Aldi. Goodwill clothes and yardsales.
Vacation to state parks and don't eat out.
Live in a doublewide.
Never have air conditioners in your car, and duct tape the headliner.
If you want to go to (((college))), earn scholarships. My oldest son graduated with a degree in Computer Science when he was 19, and we only had to put 600$ towards it in his freshman year.
We make about 40k a year, and live in not the cheapest area.

I love the fact that whiney bitch Westerner genes are getting bottlenecked out of circulation.

My family was poor as fuck and got by just fine, I don't know where this meme came from

>>133433376
I'm sure that you're not still in the thread but I'd just like to say thanks for the post. It was actually quite inspiring.

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>>133414771
Somewhere along the line (((someone))) made children just another "commodity" to buy. When everything on earth has a price tag, even the next generation, you have reached maximum kikery.

We are approaching the lowest point in an infected societies evolution. Over the next 20 years we will reach maximum degeneracy and then America and Europe will expel (((them))) and (everyone like them) or we will die.

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>>133429665
nigger what the fuck...?

studies like these are stupid. I mean, we can just reality-check them, right?

if the claim is that each additional child costs an additional $13k/year, then we can do some quick reality checking with people with kids

say you're a family that makes 50k/year and you have 50k/year in expenses (you save nothing).

allegedly, after having one kid, all else being equal, you'd have 63k in expenses that next year.

and if you had a 2nd kid, all else being equal, you'd have 76k in expenses after a full year of that.

In fact, apparently, having 4 children means having 52k of annual expenses, every single year, that you wouldn't otherwise have.

well, I can tell you quite clearly: I have 4 kids, and I don't have 52k of extra annual expenses compared to the time in my life when I had zero kids..

>>133414771
>cost of raising one kid in Canada to age 18 is $240,000
That's not the cost, it's just what upper class faggots spend.
Leaf-tier thread.

>>133414771
One of those buttons on top-heavy's shirt is going to fly off that shirt like a bullet and take someone's eye out.
To answer OP's question, 1 million dollars is not a lot of money any more. Go make white babies, as many as you can. Have some fun in your life, then move on to the next phase - get married and have kids. I had a wicked single life, but it got old, and boring, and I got depressed. Made tons of dough, had tons of nice shit, tons of hot chicks... but I was missing something. What I was missing is a wife and kids. They gave me purpose in my life and a much better life than any single's life.
You will be an empty depressed shell of a man who is lost in this universe if you don't go marry a white woman and make some white babies.