Liberals, riddle me this:

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Macedonian Content Farming

It's not about that anymore, is it?

>>133380359
>asking liberals questions

It's like asking a crazy yelling homeless person on the street something and expecting to get any sort of meaningful answer

MUH RUSSIA!! MUH COLLUSION!! MUH SMOKING GUN!! #herturn #imwithher

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>>133380359

>There was no collusion!
>You have no proof of collusion!
>That evidence is NOT collusion!
>Okay it's collusion, but Hillary did it too!
>Collusion isn't illegal anyway!
>Collusion is actually good!


LOL

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>>133381793

>>133382859
If you're about using Hillary as a benchmark, the democrats have 29 years of investigations left before you can conclude that Trump didn't collude with Russia.

>>133383090
>Trump didn't collude with Russia.
I hope he did, working with Putin was one of the perks of voting for him. I even discussed this with others at a local Trump rally, sorry you guys didnt know. so sad

DJT JR 2024

>>133380359
He met with a different Russian who gave the DNC emails to Don Jr, who then gave them to wikileaks

Thats TREASON Drumphkins

>>133383440
>you guys
>binary politics
I'm not a liberal.
I'd love to see you guys all rise up and kill each other.

>>133380359
He didn't. People are talking about if he broke the law when he met with the Russians to get dirt on her. Which he did.

DRUMPFS SON TALKED TO A RUSSIAN LAWYER ABOUT ADOPTION

IMPEACH DRUMPF!!!!

>>133381793
Wrong, faggot.

>it was intent to collude
>collusion didn't occur since information was not transmitted
>waiting for someone to produce a statuate which says collusion is illegal.

Also:

>collusion
>conspiracy to commit a crime

Pick one.

>>133383890

What law did he break?

Protip: No one was trying to destroy the federal government.

>>133383890
>when he met with the Russians to get dirt on her. Which he did.
No, he didn't, you Brockpuppet. He didn't MEET with anyone. They shared a brief email conversation that ended with nothing.

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>>133383773
>Russian who gave the DNC emails to Don Jr,


RUSSIA LOL

New Research Shows Guccifer 2.0 Files Were Copied Locally, Not Hacked

https://disobedientmedia.com/2017/07/new-research-shows-guccifer-2-0-files-were-copied-locally-not-hacked/

https://www.newsmediawatchdog.com/single-post/2017/07/10/New-Research-Shows-Guccifer-20-Files-Were-Copied-Locally-Not-Hacked

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>>133380359
It's not that he actually had an effect by colluding with Russia, it's that he INTENDED to, as proven by his own emails. And intent is all that's required.

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>>133380359
he prayed for it to happen, and God Trump granted his wish

>>133384401
I don't see how this is any different than Hillary paying a British spy for oppo research.

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>>133383773
If so... how is it treason to tell the truth about a shity candidate? I decided 25yrs ago I would never vote for Hillary, I guess the RUSSIANS got to me too..

>>133381793
>FAKE INTERPRETATION

>>133381793
This.

Listen, hugbox redditors. Not everyone who disagrees with you is deep into psyops or a shill. Some people just disagree. For instance, me.

Rural white voter here. Voting for Trump was possibly the biggest mistake of my life. Probably the worst president we've had in the last 250 years. We must impeach him now and lock up his most fervent supporters. The travel ban is racist and the white house is literally full of islamophobic texts and art. Hate can only be defeated by destroying it from the top down.

On top of his blatant racism, now he is literally destroying the planet earth and ruining young and promising female entertainers' lives. What about our children? Do the right thing, fellow rural white voters. Call your senator or congressman and set things right.

>>133384401

To prove that, you need to prove what Don Jr.'s role was in Russia hacking the election.

>>133384516
Maybe it isn't, but that's not what we're talking about, and Hillary isn't President anyway.

>>133380359
HE JUST DID OK? YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AN UNEDUCATED HICK TO THINK OTHERWISE.

>>133384286

>disobedientmedia
>newswatchdog

THOSE LOOK LIKE LEGIT SOURCES TO ME

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>>133384667
>Voting for Trump was possibly the biggest mistake of my life.
Next to your gender reassignment?

>>133384699
Nope. Has nothing to do with "hacking".

The crime he committed was intending to accept something of value from a foreign nation who wanted to influence the election. The thing of value was the promised information - this has value as opposition research, which costs a lot of money.

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>>133384725
We're talking about "collusion." Surely the actions of both parties is relevant.

Don't get me started on Hillary's collusion with the Ukraine either.

>>133384898
>to influence the election
By telling the TRUTH about Hillary?

>>133384898
Accepting anything of value from a foreign national is illegal. Thus the Steele Dossier was illegal. The information Hillary got from the Ukraine on Manafort was illegal. Etc, etc.

>>133385038
Doesn't matter if it was the truth or not.

>>133384667
topkek

>>133385119
Maybe that's true, but that's not what we're talking about.

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>>133384777
>THOSE LOOK LIKE LEGIT SOURCES TO ME
Thats why I didnt post anything from CNN or MSNBS, lets keep it honest ok. lol

>>133384898

>Has nothing to do with "hacking".

Except hacking is what caused Hillary Clinton to lose.

Wasn't it?

>The crime he committed was intending to accept something of value

Unless he was given cash or tangible assets, such as diamonds, rubies, or gold, then your somethingburger is a nothingburger, with extra salt.

>>133385320
Why aren't we talking about it?

>>133385119
>Steele dossier
Is that the piss thing? Is there a reason not one mainstream or even credible fringe outlet is reporting on that? I've been watching OAN almost exclusively for weeks and they haven't mentioned it.

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>>133384667
>What about our children?

>>133385471
They're not mentioning it anymore because it was almost entirely unsubstantiated. They got even basic facts wrong. It also exposes their hypocrisy, considering Hillary paid a British spy and Kremlin informants to collect information on Trump.

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>>133384667

>>133384898

Hey you, can you answer me? >>133385327

>>133385618
OAN is an an-cap conservative outlet. Why haven't they mentioned it? If Hillary received anything from a foreign source she needs to go to jail. Why is nobody in Washington talking about this either?

>>133385327
>>Has nothing to do with "hacking".

>Except hacking is what caused Hillary Clinton to lose.

>Wasn't it?
What did or didn't have an effect is not actually relevant to the law. It's the intent.


>>The crime he committed was intending to accept something of value

>Unless he was given cash or tangible assets, such as diamonds, rubies, or gold, then your somethingburger is a nothingburger, with extra salt.
As I already explain, the thing of value was opposition research.

>>133380359
I think the goal at this point is to shit all over Trump for the next four years while distracting from the Clintons... because they're actually going to run Hillary again.

>>133386261

>What did or didn't have an effect is not actually relevant to the law. It's the intent.

So Don Jr. didn't do anything to collude with the Russians, and Trump had nothing to do with Russian hacking. Next?

>As I already explain, the thing of value was opposition research.

And as I explained, "value" is tangible assets.

Do you know what tangible assets are?

Kremlin sources fed Steele info.
Steele gave info to Fusion GPS.
Fusion employs Russian lawyer and apparently Goldstone too.
Congress and FBI investigating Trump based on a report provided by the Kremlin through a British write up.
Kremlin>Steele>Fusion>Hillary>McCain>Congress>FBI


Theres your Russia interfered with our election angle staring you right in the face.


The report that started all of this came from the kremlin you dumb liberal fucktards.

>>133384667
Almost anon. You almost had until:
>lock up his most fervent supporters.

9/10 bait, keeping the obvious part sort of in the middle was a good choice.

>>133385471
>>133386001
The Steele Dossier was alluded to for weeks before Buzzfeed published it. It still comes up on Fox, CNN, and NPR fairly regularly.

I don't watch OAN so I wouldn't know how to read their minds.

>>133385151
>doesn't matter if it was true!
>the real bad guys are the ones that tell the truth about corrupt politicians.

>leaf

wow 4chan is an amazing place.

>>133386536
This is more plausible than the nonsense the Democrats keep pushing.

Putin is nobody's friend.

>>133386524
>So Don Jr. didn't do anything to collude with the Russians
Right. He intended to collude with Russians. Glad you're starting to understand.

>And as I explained, "value" is tangible assets.

>Do you know what tangible assets are?
The law does not specify "tangible". An item, such as opposition research, which has monetary value, is an object of value.

>>133385013
Is there anything that the Democrats have accused Trump of that they haven't done in spades themselves? The projection is making me nauseated. Maybe this whole Russian conspiracy is just a massive gaslighting campaign against the American public. It wouldn't be the first psyop against civilians.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

>>133384667
genuinely expected an Australian flag

>>133386737
Sorry, but that's how the law works.

>>133386839

>Right. He intended to collude with Russians. Glad you're starting to understand.

So, Trump has NOTHING to do with Russian hacking or colluding, correct?

Even though intent isn't a crime.

>The law does not specify "tangible". An item, such as opposition research, which has monetary value, is an object of value.

According to case law, this is incorrect.

>>133384667
Kek

>>133380558
I made that mistake once.

"I'll kill your brother!" he yelled back at me.

>>133386996
>So, Trump has NOTHING to do with Russian hacking or colluding, correct?
His son, who worked on the campaign, intended to collude.

>Even though intent isn't a crime.
Intent is one kind of mens rea, and is a kind accepted in this crime.

>>133387029
>wikileaks
>Russian intelligence agency

I'm pretty tired of this meme. Fake news is done by both sides. Always has been.

>>133387307
>His son,

Pretending for a second that you were right. people are not guilty of the crimes committed by others. Not in the US. Not in Canada. Not in most countries in the world.

Are you Somalian?

>>133386663
I listen to NPR news pretty much every morning on my way to the gym and I haven't caught it. I'll admit I don't watch FNN or CNN because they're both cancer, maybe I missed it there. If I were in the white house I would be screaming about it. Hillary actually received information. Apparently it was bullshit, but she received it. TJR received nothing.

>>133387436
>people are not guilty of the crimes committed by others
Someone working for Trump commited a crime. If I hire a hitman to murder someone, am I not guilty of murder?

>>133386933
Im sure you're absolutely ecstatic about that aren't you faggot?

>>133387307

>His son, who worked on the campaign, intended to collude.

Not a crime. So still, Trump has nothing to do with Russia hacking the DNC.

>Intent is one kind of mens rea, and is a kind accepted in this crime.

It isn't.

>>133386798
Not just plausible.Its true. Steele said his sources were 4 people at the Kremlin. The report came directly from Moscow.

>>133387851
>trump has nothing to do with Seth Rich leaking DNC emails to WL and the DNC leaking 5 emails to get out in front of WL and hiring CS to claim russia hacked them.

FTFY

>>133387851
>Not a crime.
Actually, it is.
>Intent is not form of mens rea
Please read the basic legal definition of intent and come back.

>>133384667
(You)

>>133388087

Unless he was conspiring to overthrow the federal government, this is a nothingburger with extra salt.

It's simply not a crime.

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>>133380359
So if you break into a house and find nothing of value you didnt commit a crime!

>>133387697
>If I hire a hitman to murder someone, am I not guilty of murder?

If. If. If. And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

I literally just read this on my Reuters app:
>The emails do not appear to provide evidence of illegal activity,
>but legal experts say Trump Jr. could run into trouble
>if
>investigators find he aided a criminal action

If. If. If. If you stopped speculating on made up bullshit you might tell the truth.

>>133384009
>we don't know that information wasn't transmitted. If Don Jr lied about the meeting ever taking place, you don't think it's possible that he lied about what was discussed in the meeting?
>Just what I'm talking about. You go from "no collusion" to "collusion might not be illegal." By doing so, you're admitting they colluded.

>>133390036
>Don Jr lied about the meeting ever taking place

Sauce?

Oh, my bad. You put the source right there. Comrade If.

>>133388516
>>133388634
>It's simply not a crime.
Sorry, but it is. Threw this together for you guys:

>11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).
This is the relevant law.

>(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value...
"Other thing of value" here is opposition research, which has real monetary value (i.e. it costs something, hence the distinction from "money").

>(g) ... No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d)
You do not need to accept or receive a contribution, only solicit one. So what is a solicitation?

>A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.
Asking, requesting ... anything of value. So did Don Jr. "solicit"? Here are some snippets from his emails:

>Goldstone:This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump
>Don Jr: Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it ... Could we do a call first thing next week ... ?

>>133390246

>11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).

>This is the relevant law.

Re-read your own post.

Information is not a commodity like gold, hence nothing of [MONETARY] value. But I'll continue to play along here.

Oppo research is not a tangible commodity with monetary value, as a matter of case law.

>Goldstone:This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump
>Don Jr: Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it ... Could we do a call first thing next week ... ?

That's not solicitation.

If Don Jr. affirmatively ASKED/REQUESTED then you would be correct.

Your argument hinges on "value."

Oppo research is not a tangible commodity with monetary value like oil, gold, or diamonds. Are we clear?

>>133390751
additionally oppo research doesnt have constant value. Its value depends on how that information is received by the public which can wildly vary.

You would be hard pressed to argue that Don Jr genuinely expected to receive anything of substantial value just by looking at the emails.

>>133391076

Well gee wiz, Don Jr. didn't get anything!

>>133390751
>Oppo research is not a tangible commodity with monetary value, as a matter of case law.
Can you please cite the case law? Clearly opposition research costs money, and hence it has monetary value. Just like a car has monetary value. A foreign country is not allowed to donate a car to a campaign, either.

>That's not solicitation.
The solicitation here is clear -- an offer of "sensitive information" that is "part of Russia['s] support for Mr Trump" is made, and Don Jr. is quick to set up a meeting to receive the supposed information.

It's actually so clear that it looks like a setup.

>>133390036
Do you even know how to green arrow?

>>133391226
"Anything of value" has a clear legal definition which "information" does not fall under. If receiving something as vague as "information" from foreign nationals was illegal there wouldn't be a presidential campaign that hasn't broken the law. It's not prosecuted because the legal precedent is is that "of value" refers to set monetary value and not something of speculative potential value like "information"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/11/gwu_law_prof_jonathan_turley_on_trump_jr_meeting_a_russia_for_the_love_of_god_this_is_not_treason.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-meeting-raises-question-collusion-even-crime-n781571

>>133388551
What part of meeting a person is illegal?
It is more like
>considering whether to break into a house or not
>decide not to
Is this somehow commiting a crime?

>>133391226
>clearly opposition research costs money

If i go to the library and google a candidate for free, did it cost me any money?

>>133391226

As the other anons said.

>The solicitation here is clear

Please quote for me, sir, where Don Jr. affirmatively asked for damaging information from the Russian government.

That is soliciting something. This is as far as we go.

So just to recap

Don Jr. did not do anything to cause Hillary Clinton to lose the election.

>>133391633
Neither of your articles cite any particular "case law" that says information does not have tangible value. In fact, your first article states that it has never been tested. It's just various legal experts being cited that are on either side of the fence, showing that there is actually a legal argument to be made that information does in fact have tangible value in a campaign.

>If i go to the library and google a candidate for free, did it cost me any money?
That is a false equivalency.

>>133392214

https://definitions.uslegal.com/a/anything-of-value

>>133392429
>Anything of value refers to any goods that have a certain utility to the recipient that is real and that is ordinarily not given away free but is purchased.
>n. any other thing of value that is pecuniary or compensatory in value to a person
Sounds like opposition research meets these criteria.

>>133390246
Relevant case law?

I'm a paralegal, but not in this field. I wouldn't trust my professional opinion on interpreting these statutes, much less a guy from another country armed only with Google and self-righteousness.

>>133391226
>it looks like a setup.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

>>133392748

Sounds like it doesn't, being that there was never any mention of a deal.

>>133392771
>Relevant case law?
This stuff has never been tested in court, but of course that doesn't mean it couldn't be soon.

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>>133384667
>Rural white voter here
>The travel ban is racist and the white house is literally full of islamophobic texts and art.

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>>133392748

>pecuniary

>compensatory

Do you know what these words mean in a court of law?

>>133392214
>>133392863

>showing that there is actually a legal argument to be made

Much like the legal argument that an executive order could violate the Establishment Clause because the author said mean things about Muslims once. How did that legal argument hold up when it actually made it to the Supreme Court?

This is more if if if nonsense. If Hillary Clinton was President she'd genocide us all. If the Deep State didn't exist why was Seth Rich murdered?! IF BUSH DIDN'T DO 9/11 WHO DID?!?!

>>133380359
Because he didn't spill the beans on his dad to Hillary, or defame his dad for her. How dare he not help her win? Literally Hitler, desu.

>>133390246
>which has real monetary value
Put a value on the oppo research he gained.

>>133393138

I still don't understand the response to 9/11.

None of the hijackers were iraqi or afghani.

15/19 were Saudi.

>>133393112
Please enlighten me.

>>133393290
That's a good argument. It's impossible to say what the actual value of the information is. All I can say is that opposition research in general costs money. I'm not sure if an exact dollar figure is relevant.

>>133384725
Neither is Don jr. Yet.

>>133393797
No, but he worked for Trump Sr.'s campaign, and we're talking about campaign finance law.

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>>133393789

"Pecuniary" is a bank bill or note.

"Compensatory" would imply the Russians are indemnifying a loss that Don Jr. incurred.

>>133382859
Buddy, Don Jr released the evidence yesterday.

>>133393685
The Taliban were aiding, abetting, and protecting Al Qaeda which was based in Afghanistan at the time. They refused to hand Bin Laden over.

Furthermore, the Taliban were not recognized as the legitimate government of Afghanistan by any country in the world except Pakistan. Nominally, we just helped our pre-existing allies, the Northern Alliance aka the legitimate government of Afghanistan, retake the country so that we could destroy Al Qaeda.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, though Bush tried to make it sound like it did at times. Lots of people still have that misconception.

>>133390202
Wait, do you remember the Trump Campaign saying "we never met with or colluded with Russia," or did they say "some of our campaign surrogates met with the Russian Government after they said they want to help us win and have dirt on Clinton, but that wasn't technically illegal."

>>133391417
lol absolutely not

>>133394972
This is a dumb playground game. Do you remember when Tim Kaine said Trump was responsible for 9/11 because Trump "probably" didn't pay Federal income taxes that year?

I asked for sauce on Junior saying the meeting never happened. I saw a clip from Hannity yesterday that he said he didn't remember the meeting until he was asked about it.

>>133387307
>His son, who worked on the campaign
Factually incorrect.

>>133386536
You got it backward, The Russian Lawyer hired Fusion GPS.