Huh, so it turns out that Donald Trump is guilty. Just not the

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stop being gay

>>133342571
Guilty of what?
Cite the law and proof of him committing a crime.
I'll wait.

its not about catching trump, its about cucking his administration into 4 years of total ineffectiveness

>>133342654

conspiracy to break campaign finance regulations

>>133342644
Did you screenshit your own shit post anon. Several things factually wrong with this post right off the bat
>Basically, Goldstone from Fusion GPS ...
Already wrong

>>133342671
Hes doing that plenty well all himself, anon.
He has a house and senate majority but can't pass anything meaningful. He can't even get rid of Obamacare lol

>>133342744
Cite the law and proof of him committing a crime.

>>133342898
52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510. Which is also a federal offence.

>>133342898

52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510
(7)(b)
Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

God bless Putin.

1999: Russia asks: USA, plz give us food.
2017: President of USA is russian pussy.

HAHAHAHAH

>>133343241

free information is not a thing of value, thats what free means

no information was given regardless

>>133342768
not me or my screenshot. from one of the countless threads on this.
>several things factually wrong
go ahead, tell me everything that is wrong from the screenshot post

>>133342571
This is an uninformative, low-quality, normster shill post.
Please read Global Rule # 6:
The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.

>>133343482
Information that can give you an advantage in an election is a thing of value. Happens all the time if it's from within wherever you're campaigning in. Taking valued information from a foreign source is a different matter altogether. In addition, Don. Jr. claimed he thought the information was of political opposition research, which is also a thing of value.

>no information was given regardless
Don. Jr. just recently admitted to having information given to him. And provided proof.

>>133343241
So what of value was given? Take your time to think this through so you don't sound stupid.

>>133342571
Jr doesn't wipe his ass without daddy's permission, no way he wasn't in the loop. I guess proving that would be a little harder though, assume no more self incriminating retardation.

Senior Trump is on record trying to cover it up though which is almost as good.

>>133343690
Damaging information that can tip the scales in your favour.

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>>133343179
like how Clinton took donations from country's that give lashings for being gay?

>>133343690
We don't know what information was given, anon. All we have is the word of Jr. and the lawyer, neither of who can be trusted on the matter.

>>133343241
>shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value,
what was he given?

>>133343800
Clinton didn't win the election though. Nor were any of those donations going to upset any balance. A much smaller story. And just because someone did one thing, doesn't negate what you did as well.

>>133342571
>making Donald fucking Trump Jr a sympathetic underdog

holy shit this 69d checkers

>>133343850
scroll back up the chain little buddy

what was my first post?

>>133343850
He asked for damaging information. It is a thing of value, to a campaign.

Is every thread going to ask the same fucking things?

>>133343795
well you failed since nothing was given. Told you to think hard about it.

>>133343850
Damaging information towards the Clinton campaign (allegedly).

>>133343953
You have a very weird idea on substance constitution, then.

>>133343658
Receiving information doesn't break the letter of the law.

However, to say that the information is of value is to admit that Hilary is guilty of wrongdoing (because false info wouldn't be of value), and that therefore no one did anything to wrongly influence the election.

Checkmate, liberals.

>>133343952
>>133343965
link to what he was given?

>>133342571
These Rothschild satanic child sacrificing ADRENOCHROME PRODUCING fuckers are GOING DOWN.

ROTHSCHILD LEAKS
>>133339446 → →

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>>133343953
And no one on this show got in trouble, because they didn't get the chance to fuck a kid.

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>>133342644

>>133344010
>Receiving information doesn't break the letter of the law.
It is if it's of value.

>However, to say that the information is of value is to admit that Hilary is guilty of wrongdoing
Just because Clinton did something doesn't change what the Trump campaign did.

>>133344037
He posted the emails on his Twitter (I'm not kidding).

>>133343987
Oh it's clear since if it was of value that means Clinton was being funded by Russians and you would look like a bigger moron.

>>133344010
>>133344037

Conspiracy to break the law is itself a crime even if the person is unsuccessful

>>133344163
>Oh it's clear since if it was of value that means Clinton was being funded by Russians
Complete one-eighty.

Umm, who gives a fuck? If the law actually mattered when rich people are concerned Hillary wouldn't even run because she'd be in jail already.

>>133344161
>>133344194
do you have an actually link to what of value he was given?

>>133344161
>>Receiving information doesn't break the letter of the law.
>It is if it's of value.
No information was received, there was nothing of value. O well.
>>However, to say that the information is of value is to admit that Hilary is guilty of wrongdoing
>Just because Clinton did something doesn't change what the Trump campaign did.
Think again. If Clinton is implicated, everyone will back off. She still has many "loyal soldiers"

>>133344229
not even i said nothing was given of value and you like a retard think false information has value. If it was true clinton therefore is a russian funded plant which you would be as stupid as i think you are to take that was true since it would be party suicide.

>>133344310
No, and why the fuck would that matter?

>>133344310

dont they teach kids to read in australia anymore?

Who the hell is actually going to look at this case and carry out an indictment against Jr. though? That is assuming he did actually commit a crime.

>>133342654
Here's the statute that makes this a crime
https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contrib.shtml#Foreign_Nationals
This statute prohibits receiving in-kind contributions from foreign nationals. In-kind contributions include services and expertise. Oppo research is an in-kind contribution.
Emphasis mine:
Prohibited Contributions

The Act prohibits certain contributions made in connection with or for the purpose of influencing federal elections. The prohibitions listed below apply to contributions received and made by political committees. Note that the prohibitions apply to all contributions, regardless of:
What type of contribution it is (gift of money, in-kind contribution, loan and so on);
Whether it is solicited; and
How it is ultimately used (such as for advertising, office supplies or independent expenditures13).
Foreign Nationals

Contributions and donations may not be solicited,14 accepted, or received from, or made directly or indirectly by, foreign nationals who do not have permanent residence in the United States (i.e., those without green cards). This prohibition encompasses all US elections; including federal, state and local elections. 11 CFR 110.20(b).
Footnotes:

14The term "solicit" means, "to ask that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value, whether [it] is to be made or provided directly, or through a conduit or intermediary." 11 CFR 110.20(a)(6) and 300.2(m).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVWRetR4jg

TL;DR: Drumpfy is a fucking russian puppet.

>>133344310
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr

>>133344317
>No information was received, there was nothing of value.
Donny Jr. admitted otherwise.

>Think again. If Clinton is implicated, everyone will back off. She still has many "loyal soldiers"
That's completely fine. The Trump campaign is still guilty of something regardless.

>>133344354
He agreed to receive information he knew would be from a foreign national, and almost certainly gotten illegally. The information itself doesn't mean a damn thing.

This whole media circus is a by-partisan effort to stifle any change Trump could do. That way everyone in congress can still pretend like they're doing something. Before their excuse was a stalemate. Now that there is majority, it's White House drama and "loss of confidence".

>>133344437
forgot to add vomit inducing material:
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/

>>133344354
Again, a complete one-eighty and confoundment of the actual evidence and event.

>>133344374
>>133344377
I'm just curious what they gave him,
if you have a link share it
I would like to read what the russians gave him.

>>133344437
You need to reread what is considered a contribution in there a couple times before you understand it i think.

>>133344508
omg...reading this, i think im gonna be sick. how could we let this man into the white house? ffs he has the nuclear launch codes!

>>133344437

Stop with this stale pasta please. No in-kind contribution was discussed, they went to hear her out and she had nothing. It's fucking nothing as per usual.

If you conspired to fuck a kid, but never got to fuck the kid, was a crime committed? In most cases, yes. But I'm a canadian, so it might be different in America.

>>133343241
Nothing of value was given to him
Good luck trying to prosecute this you cock gobbling faggot

>>133344437
>thinks Trump's son meeting with a Russian lawyer who gave him zero relevant information makes Trump a Russian puppet.

Prime example of a diet heavy in nothingburgers

>>133344592
Read the damn thread, we're repeating ourselves at this point

>>133344535
basically you are proven wrong and are trying to slither out of it. Nothing was exchanged as stated and there is no evidence of an exchange as of this point in time.

>>133344592
ffs please try to remember two posts

criminal conspiracy to break the law is a crime in and of itself.

>>133344566
This proves every single time Trump denied Russian Government support it was outright lies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/12/11/trump-denies-cia-report-russia-intervened-to-help-him-win-election/?utm_term=.204b44b4d8f3
Drumpf said he does not believe the CIA’s conclusion that Russia intervened in the election to help him win, attributing the assessment to Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton and claiming repeatedly that the U.S. intelligence community has “no idea” what might have happened.
“I think it’s ridiculous,” Trump said in an interview with “Fox News Sunday,” his first Sunday show appearance since the election last month. “I think it’s just another excuse. I don’t believe it . . . No, I don’t believe it at all.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/11/this-old-donald-trump-jr-interview-about-russia-is-now-downright-cringe-worthy/?utm_term=.595fd393e99d
JAKE TAPPER: So, I don't know if you were hearing earlier, but Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, I asked him about the DNC leak. And he suggested that experts are saying that Russians were behind both the leak — the hacking of the DNC emails and their release. He seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?
DRUMPF JR.: Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, “Well, I say this.” We hear “experts.”
You know, 'His house cat at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians.' It's disgusting. It's so phony.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/879678356450676736
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831837514226921472
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843776582825267201
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/758071264128806912

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sage.

Daily reminder that the owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis, and his boyfriend David Brock (head of Shareblue) are connected to the convicted child trafficker Laura Silsby, who was jailed for attempting to steal 33 children from a Haitian orphanage, through the lawyer Max Maccoby who handled Alefantis' $850,000 blackmail case (I wonder what that was about?).

Max Maccoby sits on the board of directors of an orphanage called "Friends of the Orphans of Haiti". According to Laura Silsbys own lawyer Jorge Puello (himself a convicted child trafficker) the orphanage Silsby was caught stealing children from was called "Friends of the Orphans".

Hillary Clinton personally intervened to get Laura Silsby out of Haitian prison when she was Secretary of State. Both Clinton and Obama have done fundraisers at Comet Pizza and Ping Pong.

There is literally no way to argue around the Alefantis/Silsby/Maccoby triangle. This proves the existence of an elite child trafficking network beyond a reasonable doubt.

>>133344671
Always archive

>https://washingtonpost com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/12/11/trump-denies-cia-report-russia-intervened-to-help-him-win-election/?utm_term=.204b44b4d8f3
https://archive.is/OXNHf
>https://washingtonpost com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/11/this-old-donald-trump-jr-interview-about-russia-is-now-downright-cringe-worthy/?utm_term=.595fd393e99d
https://archive.is/qm8iA

>>133344649
He accepted the offer for it

>>133343643

Agreed, /pol/ is totally for serious business political discussions, and the following assortment of crap totally isn't in the catalog right now, because /pol/ is super serious business.
> Is she our whore?
> POL BTFO!!!!1!!11!!!!!!
> Oh SHIT. RIP OBONGO and DEEP STATE
> You have access to Trumps phone for 2mins what do you tweet?
> Get. Out. Of. Reddit.
> Subtle /pol/ clothing

>>133344639
by "we're" do you mean (((we're))) or reddit

>>133344675
>sage.
wrong. you can't sage this shit. pls kys asap

>>133343241
>getting opposition research by a foreigner is a crime
Hmmmm

>>133344616
Anyone who still believes in the Russian collusion story is a sheltered normmeister who relieves on social media and MSM for their news.

>>133344649
>Nothing was exchanged as stated
A foreign national trying to tip an election in their favour was exchanged.

>there is no evidence of an exchange as of this point in time
The bloke at the centre of this has provided evidence.

>>133344697
ty roboto. we will need this for wikipedia

>>133344437
Hmm, you're right. Looks like Clinton is a Saudi puppet!

>>133344699
>showing up to eat and walking out is accepting an offer
kek

Pretty much all the collusion crap only applies to Kushner because he is the only one actually working within the administration.
Whether or not Manafort or Jr or Kushner told the big Don about it and he ok'd it is was needs to be determined.

I hate to admit it but it sounded like(without Jr saying it) that they didn't think they had a chance to win so it didn't matter what or how they found out what they found out.

>>133344568
Bad example. Fucking a kid is illegal. Getting pro-bono legal help or information is not considered a campaign contribution, and it is therefore permissive for a foreign power to offer a presidential campaign, you stupid fucking pinko.

Who paid for the Russian Dossier that frequently cited Senior Russia Intell sources and people inside the Kremlin? Who cited info from the dossier even after it was debunked? If Trump Jr. Committed a crime by hearing out someone connected to Russia, was it also a crime to seek out people inside the Kremlin for oppo-research on Trump? As for the Russian lawyer/visa issue, is it possible she simply overstayed her visa? If so, she wouldn't need to be illegal snuck into the country... Because she had already been here for awhile.

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>>133344767
yes, it is completely nuts

>>133344669
Conspiracy charges rarely ever stick
Good luck faggot

>>133344736
It's normster level shill posting or trolls. At least the porn count is lower today, but /pol/vaulters need to put a little more effort into making their threads relevant to the board.

>>133344822
Clinton and Drumpf must fucking hang. USA; population 321 mil. Can't find a normal human being to run the foken cuntry.

SAD

>>133344893
thanks for moving those goalposts

>>133344592

Its a hooker that turns out to be a cop.
She said she'll suck your dick, she didn't suck your dick but you're still getting arrested.
>Hey baby, you want a date?
They got duped by the oldest trick in the book.

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>>133344784
really gets my noggin joggin

>>133344784
>A foreign national trying to tip an election in their favour was exchanged.
>a person is an exchange item of value
bahaha this fucking guy

>>133344893
>Conspiracy
that's treason you dumbfuck

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>>133342571
>I was looking for treason
>I didn't find any
>ipso facto
>I'm innocent

25-to-life.

>>133344970
treason only applies to nations we are at war with dumb fuck. good job you tanked your own argument.

>>133342644
Yeah. Except try looking into magnitsky. Seems kind of relevant, especially with the "worthless" adoption talk.

>>133343241
Elections. Not running. Elections are when voting occurs, not the time before.

>>133344738
I mean the posters in the thread who actually know what they are talking about.

If Drumpf was charged with treason in the beginning none of this would be happening there would be no scandals and no instability, this is just what happens when you leave a traitor in charge the entire system begins to collapse, make no mistake more than half the country knows he's a traitor and him and his unelected children and cronies will all be in jail for this

>>133343795
information isn't "money or item of value". this is specifically talking about donations from foreign countries. you know like >>133343800. so basically you're fucking stupid.

>>133344964
Natalia Veselnitskaya... This is not some random lawyer the Kremlin doesn't know well (as they asserted in a WaPo article I submitted).
She was counsel on the Russian-owned Prevezon Holdings money laundering thru real estate case in Manhattan, which was promptly settled without public disclosures of information or trial just after Preet Bharara was fired:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-13/u-s-reaches-5-9-million-deal-in-russian-fraud-laundering-case
For a related, frightening refresher on the origin of "Magnitsky Acts":
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/03/24/lawyer-with-key-evidence-in-russian-corruption-scandals-falls-from-building-before-testifying/#3200a365526c
Gorokhov, the attorney for Magnitsky's family (after M. died of heart failure and other problems in prison at the age of 37) was pushed from his 4th story window in Moscow the day before he was scheduled to testify against the Russian government.

This is why I love The Internet: http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/
Archive of lunatic ranting. Looks like a psychologist log file of utterly deranged patient locked for life.

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>>133344592
HAHAHAHA JESUS CHRIST. THE FUCKING 180 THIS GUY MADE. People like you are why I come to /pol/.

>>133344826
>it's not dine and dash if you don't take a bite first
...Well OK, that technically is true, but you're still ripping them off.

>>133345086
we have plenty of unintentional retards in this thread without you needing to purposefully pile on.

>>133345059
>treason only applies to nations we are at war
kek

>>133344161
Why would incriminating information have monetary value as you seem to be implying? Just because liberals are used to bribery, extortion, blackmail and the like doesn't mean one can't have a free and open society.

>>133344194
That is not what I said, I said the actual receiving of information, are you illiterate?

>>133344671
Moral support is not the same as whatever illicit form of support you seem to be thinking of.

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>>133345123
>he's a traitor and him and his unelected children and cronies will all be in jail for this
Yet another scoop stolen from deserving Dems.
WTF

>>133343179
Repeat after me:
Volunteered services are not contributions.
Legal services are not contributions unless they are paid for.

>>133345169
Actually yes

>>133345140
> "I'm not a spy lol"
t.spy

I love how this is the last line of defence for Drumpflets

>>133342571
this is what he gets for big game hunting. What a jerk!

>>133344437
But the Hillary campaign asked for oppo research by a british spy and the ukrainian government (foreign nationals). It's obvious that this is standard practice and not a crime.

>>133345143
BUT THE EMAILS STORY WAS NOTHING OF VALUE AND DID NOT INFLUENCE THE ELECTION IN ANY WAY.

HIS FRICKIN NAME IS DRUMPF!!

>>133345143
My position has never changed
He was given nothing of value
Good luck proving he was you poofter

>>133345220
He will get three scoops as many scoops as he even wants before the electric chair

>>133345134
>information isn't "money or item of value"
Information has always been one of the most valuable commodities you can ascertain. As long as it's something you gain from, it's of value. And no one said anything about monetary or commercial value.

>>133345199
>Why would incriminating information have monetary value as you seem to be implying?
No one said anything about monetary anything. That's fallacious.

>>133345140
Tinfoil is cutting off all circulation the list of real estate as part of that investigation with the Russian laundering and the companies involved was already released. None of them were involved with Trump but it only takes 5 seconds on google to figure that out which is hard for you I guess.

>>133345224
>Volunteered services are not contributions.
It is if they're accepted.

I'll just tell you /pol/, I hate your guts and there are few things I agree with you about, but one of them was that this Russia thing probably was a dead end, since Russia wouldn't really have needed to collude to do what they did. I figured you would pretty much need of dead on smoking gun, the sort of thing you just don't get these days due to cyber security-- I mean, even with Hillary all you could get was vague insinuations of this or that nothing like a smoking gun.

But I've got to tell you, this looks pretty bad. Not that I'm optimistic about Trump getting impeached – his base, i.e you idiots, or rather the 55 year old overweight men who are Trump's real base, Wood, just like you said, let him get away with committing public murder. But yeah, this looks pretty bad; at least, I don't think you're going to be able to say there's no evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign-- I mean, with Flynn the campaign was already over, so that wasn't really collusion relating to the election.

Like I said though, I'm not holding, though if you guys did get a good buttfucking I certainly would be glad.

>>133345270
>But the Hillary campaign
>m-muh killary

it's not about hillary or drumpf, it's about america.
those 2 degenerates should be forgotten

>>133344970
I wasn't aware we were at war with Russia

>>133345240
>get paid to enable a country not at war with their own to get a first nuclear strike
>they weren't already at war, so it wasn't treason
A more exaggerated example, but it spells out the error better.

>>133345247
>>133345140
Seems like everyone knew who this woman was, including Dems. See here:
>>133344135

>>133343241
>Receiving information from foreign governments is treason

So if anyone involved in a campaign watches the credits of Doctor Who, it means they're in league with the redcoats to bring back king George?

>>133345347
So according to you "anything of value" means not only financial value but "anything whatsoever in any way shape or form that might help in any way"? Think carefully before you answer.

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>>133345334
He admitted to fucking solicitation, he provided proof! That is the crime here. What the fuck are you smoking?

>>133344932
There are laws against soliciting sex for money
That's the charge you get arrested for

He receieved nothin of value
Good luck proving he did

>>133345358
Drumpf Jewnior INTENT is what matters. Dumpfuck thought he was about to meet russian gov. representative. Are you retarded or what?

>>133343241
https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/citizens_guide_brochure.pdf
Foreign CONTRIBUTIONS.
>what is a contribution?
>Under limited exceptions in the law, you may provide certain goods and services without making a contribution to the committee. These exceptions, discussed on pages 5-7, are volunteering, travel expenses and business services.
Wow it's literally nothing and you're retarded.
But wait, what's on pages 5-7?
>Businesses, including corporations, may support candidates in yet another way. If the business employs individuals who perform legal or accounting services, the business may provide these services free to a political committee as long as certain qualifications are met:
>First, the firm may provide services to a candidate committee or PAC only for the purpose of helping the committee comply with the Federal campaign finance law.
>Second, services on behalf of a party committee may be provided for any purpose that does not directly further the election of a Federal candidate.
>Third, the firm must use its own regular employees (not outside consultants) to perform the service. The business may not hire additional personnel to free regular employees to provide the service.
>Fourth, the recipient committee must report the value of the service (the amount paid by the employer).
>Of course, when an individual personally volunteers legal or accounting services to a committee, the above restrictions do not apply.

>Of course, when an individual personally volunteers legal or accounting services to a committee, the above restrictions do not apply.

>Of course, when an individual personally volunteers legal or accounting services to a committee, the above restrictions do not apply.

Wow look it's more nothing.

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>>133343795
Annnnnd you're an idiot.

How's the koolaid?

>>133344928
I'm laughing at your pathetic conspiracy charges
(They will not stick)

Why didn't Don Jr. report to the FBI that a foreign power was trying to influence the presidential elections?

>>133345394
I agree with this copypasted message!
Drumpfh is finished

>>133345528
Wow it's literally turdtext and you're retarded.

>>133345441
See
>>133344437

>>133345479
>He admitted to fucking solicitation
They reached out to him, not the other way around. Seems more like entrapment to me, esp considering this lawyer is vehemently Anti-Trump
>To solicit
>Means to make the first move

>>133345334
What's your position on pizzagate my friend?

>>133345554
gee, i wonder why..

>>133345440
(tu)

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If you're so fed up with people lying to you, why do you still suck Trumps dick?

Like you actually believe wild internet meme conspiracies, but this guy is legit lying for real, and you still refuse the face value.

>>133345479
It's not illegal to get information

>>133345441
>anything whatsoever in any way shape or form that might help in any way
How is that not something of value?

>>133345502
>Good luck proving he did
*He* himself already proved it.

>>133345617
fuck that too!
America need to purge those fuckers

>>133345528

the source wasn't proposing providing legal services you fucking idiot. stop this retarded meme already

>>133343658
>information is value
So are legal services, which is literally information of ridiculously high value. But they still are not a contribution.

>>133342571
Huh, so it turns out if you move the goalpost far enough you win.

>>133345608
Accepting the offer is solicitation. Legal terms aren't always the plain english you expect. After all, if it didn't work that way It'd be a fucking mile wide weasel method

>>133343904
It's noteworthy tho because your crusade against the current American President is in honor of that miserable loser clunton and she has egg all over her tits that the media and fed has tried to quickly sweep under the rug over and over. Why the double standards?

>>133345617
I have none.

>>133344437
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Here%27s+the+statute+that+makes+this+a+crime%22

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ack

>>133343904
> the donations didn't affect anything
Qualification for contributions are not based on their impact. Go back to r3ddit retard. You're out of your league.

>>133345674
Information isn't something of value

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>>133345406
Like I said, this is standard practice.

And I don't see anything wrong about asking for oppo research. If Hillary or Trump did something wrong then it should come to light. I don't care if Hitler himself came back from the dead to present the evidence. People should get punished for crimes.

The whole "treason" angle is bullshit. It's far more treasonous to allow a criminal become president, whether that's Trump, Hillary or whatever.

>>133345674
>>133345588
How is the furnishing of incriminating information "contributing" to Trump's campaign?

Whatever benefit Trump's campaign might have realized is something Hilary did to herself by engaging in whatever she is guilty of that the information pertains to.

>>133345520
>intent
you must be Donald Jr cause that's the only way you can read his mind since from the evidence he met somebody and left before exchanging anything. There is a reason court cases rarely ever try to prove intent and stupid fucks like you outside of law get flustered every time they skip trying to do an intent attempt at proving guilt.

>>133345801
Yes it is

>>133345851
No it isn't

>>133343904
>doesn't negate what you did
We didn't do anything and neither did trump jr. He went to meet with a lawyer for information and advice. Aka legal services, voluntarily offered. Aka specifically NOT contributions under the US legal definition.

Keep crying

>>133345749
Because POTUS and his administration broke the law. Whatever Clinton or the other candidates did doesn't mean jack shit to what's going on now. Whatever your side is, the law was broken by the highest person in office.

>>133345722
>But they still are not a contribution.
They if they're accepted.

>>133345801
>>133345872
What doesn't make it valuable?

>>133345848
He provided the email that spelled out what he was doing. He's an idiot.

>>133345570

It wasn't copypasted. I wish he was, but like I said, I don't think that's going to happen, I think there's way too much wishful thinking among people who hate Trump in that respect. Probably the only way he's going out before 2020 us health complications, though there we might get lucky.

I was just pointing out, it looks pretty bad. I mean there's a sentence in that email that specifically says the Russian government wants to support Trump, and his son is like, That's great! And his son certainly was part of his campaign.

I guess the most I can hope for is that we basically take Jr.'s scalp, and likewise that Trump won't be able to fire Mueller without it looking so bad that even rank-and-file Republicans might start to get antsy, though I honestly doubted he was ever going to fire him in the first place.

Like I said, I hope that the worst possible outcome falls on /pol/, that every kind of suffering imaginable befalls them, but i'm not holding my breath for much beyond what I've already said.

>>133345844
she should be investigated and prosecuted commensurate to her criminal wrongdoing as well. why do you think "but hilary" is some magical trap card?

>>133345945
It's just words

>>133345844
>How is the furnishing of incriminating information "contributing" to Trump's campaign?
Because you accepted it to help your agenda.

>Whatever benefit Trump's campaign might have realized is something Hilary did to herself by engaging in whatever she is guilty of that the information pertains to.
Except what they did was against the law.

>>133345901
Does this mean that anyone involved with the democrat campaign who watched a foreign state broadcasters hitpiece on trump has also committed treason?

>>133345848
The truth is: Putin runs the USA. Small moves, steady and patiently. And there is nothing you can do about it. You fucked up by voting that orangutan into the WH.

Have a nice day.

>>133345900
But his lawyer wasn't the one providing him incriminating information. A foreign party was.

>law about getting money and good from other countries
>niggers on pol think words are the same thing as gifts and shit

>>133342571

Nope.

If Don Jr is guilty so are all the reporters at NYT, WaPo and CNN who suborned intelligence leaks.

Fuck this is getting desperate.

>>133346038
1). Information is not limited to words.
2). Words can be influential and substantial enough to ascertain gain from.

>>133343965
>implying "official documents" (which is what the Russians claimed to have), information, and advice, doesn't count as legal services
>implying legal services voluntarily rendered count as a contribution under US federal law
Lmao.
It doesn't matter if she had shit on Hillary or not, and if it had impact or not, under no realm of reality does it count as a "contribution" from a foreign national. Go to sleep

>>133343904
she won by 2 million, she had more votes then Trump, clearly she won the elections.

>>133346059
If it helps you sleep. But it doesn't change the fact Trump and his constituency might've committed treason and federal offences themselves.

>>133346159
1. Words from a lawyer are legal advice
2. Legal advice voluntarily rendered is specifically defined as NOT a contribution under US law

>>133346186
That really means shit. Half of Americans voted for Drumpf. He did not faked his victory. Guy is just plain dumb. And Putin used that.

>>133345945
The legal definition of value in this case.

>>133346093
Doesn't matter. It was a foreign lawyer. It was a lawyer. It was legal advice. Legal advice voluntarily rendered isn't a "contribution".
There is only a law against foreign "contributions" not foreign volunteered services.
It's literally nothing.

>>133346233
>1. Words from a lawyer are legal advice

false premise. legal advice from a lawyer is legal advice.

>>133346210
Only if your definition of treason is so broad that everyone in america is committing treason several times a day.

Receiving information from foreigners is not treason.

>>133342571
We need to focus on finding and outing Donald Trump Snr. dodgy sexcapades with paid underage girls. Who are they? Will they come forward? What do we do to get them to come forward?

>>133346233
>1. Words from a lawyer are legal advice
Except his lawyer wasn't the source of information.

>2. Legal advice voluntarily rendered is specifically defined as NOT a contribution under US law
It is if it's helpful and you accept it. And it is qualified under law 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510.

>>133345945
Well, I guess in a world view (liberals) in which the truth isn't something that is granted, then information could in some twisted way be of value... But that is besides the point.

By the way, the worldview that information can be controlled, that getting information from an outside is illegal, that information unfavorable to whomever is bad... That is the very definition of fascism.

>>133345502

I didn't say whether or not there's an existing charge for it, whether or not he received something or whatever. Only that its obvious what happened. There was a promise for something that ended up being nothing but there were expectations of something.
I don't think Jr did anything criminal.

>>133345851
It really isn't. By your logic something as trivial as an endorsement could be considered value.

Unless the information Trump was about to receive was illegally obtained (something the emal chain doesn't clarify), there is no crime.

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This topic is so fucking boring. The President can pardon whoever the fuck he wants. Republicans control congress. Jr. released the fucking papers himself.

Nothing is going to happen. Nothing ever happens.

>>133346311
>Receiving information from foreigners is not treason.
is you are australian and getting it from nz.

>>133346457
>Jr. released the fucking papers himself

do you think he would have released the documents if the NYT wasn't about to do so themselves?

>>133346306
Right. But we were operating under the pretence the Russian lawyer had official documents, and official documents combined with legal counsel is legal advice. And if not, it's also a service, which is also not a "contribution" because it has no monetary value. All services no matter how impactful are considered not "contributions" if they are personally voluntarily provided without compensation, specifically at a discount.
No laws are broken unless there is evidence of compensation.

>>133346294
Which would be?

>>133346300
It wasn't a foreign lawyer though (and even then -- that fact he's foreign would add to the issues).

>Legal advice voluntarily rendered isn't a "contribution".
It wasn't advice of any kind. It was damaging information against a competing elector.

>>133346311
Everyone in America is not in congress, the white house, or in government.

>Receiving information from foreigners is not treason.
It is if it messes with an election (as deemed by the constitution). And the sad part of that is: treason is punishable by death.

>>133346457
anime fagget

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>>133346186
Reaching, just like your fellow shill with the homo flag in here.

Y'all make sure to stretch properly so you don't pull anything reaching like that

And don't forget about the illegals casting votes for shillary. No surprise Cuckifornia wont corporate in a voter investigation. They've been cheating for years and years.

Also don't forget about the electoral college. Half the states in the country would succeed if commiefornia was allowed to decide every presidential election

>>133342571
FUCK OFF KIKE, NO ONE IS BUYING YOUR KIKE LIES.

Another problem is that Trump will hire the same coders from 3rd world countries to spam memes across the internet not just on this website so may still succeed if he can block this website. He's president after all. He has access to things we couldn't dream of.

>>133342571
>Implying Trump didn't know this was happening

The president is just as guilty

>>133346341
You sound like the type of person who is to scared to walk alone in the dark.

>>133343920
nobody likes jr, he looks like a handicapped seal

>>133346611
Gas yourself and you whole family kike.

>>133346533
So if I send tweets containing information to any congressman I don't like they'll be hanged for treason?

Sweet.

>>133342644
>I tried to rob a bank but they had no money. Therefore no crime.

Nice try Igor.

>>133343241
what was contributed? what was donated?

>>133346626
If it helps you sleep at night.

>>133346671
Depends on the info. itself. Though you'd probably be the one hanged.

2 things you can rely on Trump for:
>1. Being cheap
>2. Being ill-informed

>>133345143

>Cite the infraction
>He ran a traffic light
>He did not run the traffic light

HAHAHAHA JESUS CHRIST. THE FUCKING 180 THIS GUY MADE.

>>133346759
You're done!

>>133346658
I like him now and seals are like the coolest animals

>>133346726
there are 201 posts available for you to read first

>>133346611

IF he knew about it. Jr could've been keeping it quiet as a "look what I got, daddy" gift.
Manafort's involvement is fucked though.
Kushner's too.
Kushner needs to get out of the administration.

>>133346578
Can we all please remember, that while Drumpf was shouting lock her up over emails, his Son, Campaign Manager and Son in Jew, were actively working with known Russian government operatives who were hacking US citizens/organization and helped them influence our democratic process of elections. This is espionage on Russia's parts, and treason on Trumps. When the fuck are we going to take a stand? Drumpf released a statement calling his son a "high quality person" and thanking him for his transparency.
Jewnior wasn't transparent. He only admitted the meeting after he got caught. He only released the email chain after the NYT called him for a comment and told him they were going to release the emails. A "high quality person" would have gone to the authorities the second the email came in saying the info was coming from the Russian government as part of an effort to help Drumpf's campaign. Fucking orange monkey and all his jewish familiy should be hanged for this.

>>133346759
You are mentally ill. but your flag already gave that away.

>>133346341
Repeat after me:
There is no law prohibiting foreign lawyers from voluntarily offering legal services and legal services personally voluntarily rendered without compensation are specifically defined as NOT contributions.
>it is if it's helpful and you accept it.
And where does it say that voluntarily provided legal services magically transform from volunteer services to contributions, simply because they have impact on the campaign? ALL voluntarily provided legal services have impact. What measure is used to define how much impact is needed?
Pro tip: there's no such policy.

>>133342571
He threw his son under the bus... for more attention.

>>133344437
>https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contrib.shtml#Foreign_Nationals

Read the part about voluntary activity.

>Generally, an individual (including a foreign national) may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone.

How was this lawyer compensated again? You clowns are once again setting yourselves up for disappointed.

>>133346943
To put in simple terms, "i love it"

>>133346533
It was objectively, official documents, with damaging implications. Official documents are considered service.

>>133346927
No hacks of anything have been proved.

Trump jr had no classified information, nor did he attempt to hide any classified information on an illegal server.

Nice try kike, gas yourself.

>>133347017
And I love you.

>>133342571
Trump Supporters:

>Libtards are focused on how Trump got ahold of the emails and completely ignoring everything in the emails...

Liberals:

>Drumfkins are only focused on how NYT got ahold of the emails and completely ignoring everything in the emails...

>>133346943
>There is no law prohibiting foreign lawyers from voluntarily offering legal services and legal services personally voluntarily rendered without compensation are specifically defined as NOT contributions.
Again, it wasn't a lawyer. Plus, there is a law against accepting anything of valuable that can help upset the election in favour of you and a foreign power. And that law is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510.

>And where does it say that voluntarily provided legal services magically transform from volunteer services to contributions, simply because they have impact on the campaign?
Because you accepted the contribution.

>ALL voluntarily provided legal services have impact.
Not all impacts are equal.

>What measure is used to define how much impact is needed?
How much the campaign has gained/lost from said impact.

>>133344669
Not even the law you cited was violated, faggot.

>>133347164
BUT URANIUM. BUTTERY MALES. BUT MUH CLINTON FOUNDATION. BENGHAZI. NOTHINGBURGER. LOL LIBSHIT TEARS. COLLUSION ISN'T A CRIME. AND IF THEY DID COLLUDE IT WAS A GOD THING BECAUSE TPP AND NAFTA AND UNEMPLOYMENT AND WE MAGA NOW.
NO PUPPET, NO PUPPET, HILLARY CLINTON.

>>133345674
Did money exchange hands? No, you fucking degenerate

>>133347231
Okay, but no one said anything about money or fiscal gains.

>>133347181
Circular logic doesn't work pedophile.

>>133344559
Perjury is part of it, because they lied on their security clearance forms on the line where you have to list all your meetings with foreign nations for the last so-many years. It is also explicitly illegal to receive any meaningful benefit from foreign nationals in an election campaign. And that's without having to link them into a conspiracy to benefit from the fruits of an illegal act (knowingly accepting and using stolen information)

Here ya go...

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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>>133347181
Don Jr. wasn't running for President. Moreover, there was no acceptance of any contribution. They went to look into what was being offered, and it was nothing. You've got nothing.

The people here would rather go to jail over the belief that the word pizza means a sex slave than believe OP

>>133347347
The degenerates will ignore this and just say "Hillary isn't presuhdent!".

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Let's end this thread properly:
http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-is-an-idiot/amp/

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>>133342571

he is guilty of using email client


Impeach him NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

oh .... wait

>>133346888
Trump only started attacking Hillary's muh 30000 emails the same day don jr had this meeting. He never used that figure before that day. Don jr told him something.

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>>133347289
Trump is guilty like pic related is normal and healthy behavior.

>>133347367
>Don Jr. wasn't running for President.
He was part of a presidential campaign.

>Moreover, there was no acceptance of any contribution.
Don. Jr's admission says otherwise.

>They went to look into what was being offered, and it was nothing.
And what was being offered, that Don. Jr has claimed to accept, and even forwarded to key parts of the campaign, was illegal for an electoral campaign and politician.

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>>133347378
>go to jail over the belief that the word pizza means a sex slave
>kike inadvertently admits he wants to jail pizaagaters.

Goddamn you kikes are retarded.

>>133347181
From the original email:
>the crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in the meeting offered to provide the trump campaign with official documents and information.
>crown prosecutor is the source?
>what is a crown prosecutor?
>oh right, a lawyer
>official documents and information. From a crown prosecutor.
>what is that?
>oh right, it's a legal document.
>what is a legal document, from a crown prosecutor?
>oh right it's a fucking legal service

>>133343658
this is all nonsense. being given some gossip or dirt on a political opponent is not illegal and never will be, no matter who gives it

>>133347459
New York post =/= journalism. It's an opinion piece

>>133347507
It is not a contribution you worthless kike pedophile.

Hang yourself.

>>133347459
Being an idiot is not a crime, or else Hillary would be in jail for not setting foot in a state she assumed she would win.

>>133347507
Read and it fucking weep. No laws were broke, pillow-biter.

http://archive.is/M5bvo

>>133347629
What do you define as a contribution?

>>133347517
Except it isn't gossip, but actual evidence provided from one of the key members of an electoral campaign.

It's fucking nothing.

>>133342571

You can't let this madman get his hands on the nulear codes or the fake dirt on HRTHRC from a Russian paid by Clinton provided in a meeting to her opponents son. Whe oh when will he be imreached.

He'll never be impeached and he'll do two terms. Your tears are delicious OP and by the way there is shit on your cock, Get cured.

>>133347695
>http://archive.is/M5bvo
That's an opinion piece, though.

>>133347749

Djt2, not part of the campaign

>>133342571
Guilty of what playing the media and "progressives" giving them hope then ripping it away again and again and again?

>>133347818
Boo fucking hoo fairy queen. Its almost a shame its not pence zapping you but President TRump is doing a great job and going no-where. The 'source' was a Russian DNC advisor who had worked on the fake MI6 shit. 5 D checkmate again.

>>133347818
Doesn't matter. Your case is weak is as fuck. If he was guilty, he'd be in a cell right now. Peddle a new narrative, yid.

>>133343952
These people are literally autistic and will never ever admit that maybe, just maybe, a law was broken.

>>133345388
proof he accepted. proof he bought it, proof she works for Russia.

>>133347976
>President TRump is doing a great job
You've clearly not been paying attention.

>and going no-where
Accept jail, possibly.

>>133342571
TALKING WITH PEOPLE IS CRIMINAL LOL

>>133348177
Only if you are white.

>>133348116
>proof he accepted
His twitter.

>Your case is weak is as fuck.
Except the person at the centre of the case provided evidence to legitimise it.

>If he was guilty, he'd be in a cell right now.
1). Not how the US legal system works. The newly arrived evidence didn't come until a few days ago. And any official investigation into the Trump campaign only started in the last couple of months.
2). Just world fallacy.

>>133348117
>Illegal immigration down 70%
>ICE out in full force
>VA reform
>VOICE
>Kate's law and Sanctuary City laws on the horizon

It's you that haven't been paying attention, retard.

>>133346533
information wasn't used so how is this treason again??

>>133348279
>verifying claims is now acceptance

lel

>>133346861
thx. spank me now or later?

>>133346671
Please don't tweet information to @keithellison or @amyklpbuchar or @senalfrank
That totally not be cool

>>133346759
Well, since the info in this case was nothing, all I need to send is nothing.

>>133347289
I'll post it again sense you apprently missed it. Straight from the FEC website under 'volunteer activity'.

>Generally, an individual (including a foreign national) may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone.

According to your logic any service provided by any foreign national would be considered something of "value" and thus illegal. Unfortunately for you it doesn't work that way.

>>133345554
Because it's not illegal

>>133348350
Cool. This thing with Don. Jr still happened, provided by Don. Jr himself. I suggest you pay attention.

>>133348368
Except information was allegedly accepted and used, as claimed by Don. Jr himself with evidence backing him up. And it was information that was illegal for a campaign for office to use.

>>133348515
Okay, but a federal candidate cannot accept information or valued commodities from a foreign party in favour of that foreign party.

Source: 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510.

>>133348619
You do realize it's not illegal to get info on a political opponent if they happen to be Russian or any other nationality?

>>133348619
>This thing with Don. Jr still happened, provided by Don. Jr himself. I suggest you pay attention.

I have been, and every expert says there's nothing to go on. You're just sticking your fingers in your ears at this point.

>>133348619
>Except information was allegedly accepted and used, as claimed by Don. Jr himself with evidence backing him up. And it was information that was illegal for a campaign for office to use.

If you lose complete touch with reality then what would it matter whether or not they really did anything illegal?

>>133348731
Except he got the info from a lawyer who happened to be Russian. What's the crime here?

>>133342571
Is it just me or does Donald look like Boss Hog more each day with his inbred kin causing all kinds of monkey shines!

>>133348619
>>133348804

Illegal according to you, I meant to say.

>>133348074
If there was something truly damning on the Trump's it'd be coming from law enforcement not the New York Times

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So according to MSM Trump Jr talked to some Russian for possible information detrimental to Clinton.

What the fuck is the issue here, isn't it normal to want to have an advantage in an election?

>>133348765
It is illegal, as deemed by 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510.

>>133348767
>and every expert says there's nothing to go on.
Where are you getting that from? Because experts have been claiming that what Don. Jr did was a federal offence.

- http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-may-well-have-committed-a-federal-crime-experts-say.html
- http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-emails-illegal-campaign-2017-7
- http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/07/experts-believe-donald-jr-committed-a-crime-by-meeting-russian-lawyer-001840589.html

>>133348815
But he didn't get them from a lawyer of any kind. He got them through personal contacts he knew.

Source: https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr

>>133349164
>What the fuck is the issue here, isn't it normal to want to have an advantage in an election?
Only from sources within wherever you're campaigning in.

>>133349164
The liberals are confusing "material advantage" (finances for example) with "moral advantage" (that Hilary is a criminal)

>>133349182
No laws were broken, like the kike sources you visit, you're grasping at straws

>>133349325
>No laws were broken
52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510.

>>133349256
I remember the Post hired an entire room full of "dirt diggers" on Trump.

Wouldn't that disqualify the Clinton campaign, as she obviously used almost the entirety of the media as a weapon against trump?

>>133342571
So what happen?
Is Drumply Gurumpy finally btfo?

>>133349481
>I remember the Post hired an entire room full of "dirt diggers" on Trump.
And his son eventually tweeted the dirt they were looking for.

>Wouldn't that disqualify the Clinton campaign, as she obviously used almost the entirety of the media as a weapon against trump?
Except she wasn't given, nor accepted, any of those for her campaign. It was just the media doing it's own thing.

>>133349256
why?

>>133349446
There was nothing of value that was given.

>>133349676
Because they're from your own country, or community, and that's the name of the game as they're trying to do what they think is best for their country, or community. If the source came from a foreign source, however, then it's done in the agenda of that foreign party, and not the country/community in election. It'd be like an immigrant coming and trying to run the place.

>>133349740
Except valued information.

>>133349624
So Clinton didn't accept the answers to debate questions?

>>133349890
>the game as they're trying to do what they think is best for their country, or community

Then why would the source of incriminating information be important? If Hilary is a criminal then she is a criminal no matter who reveals proof of that.

>>133349890
doesn't make sense to me, honestly.
Also, is that law in the US or just some "rule of the game" in politics?

>>133349932
There was no information. Information didn't change hands. The woman they met didn't have anything to give.

>>133349999
If it helps you sleep at night.

>>133350001
>Then why would the source of incriminating information be important?
Well you already added the word "incriminating," so you already answered it yourself. Because it was illegal.

>If Hilary is a criminal then she is a criminal no matter who reveals proof of that.
Good for her. The President of the United States still committed a very big crime here despite what Clinton did.

>>133348731
>52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510.
Stop lying. That law says nothing about accepting potentially incriminating information about your political foes from a foreign national. It's legal so long as the foreign national is not compensated as it falls under volunteer activity.

>>133349932
Legal documents and information. From a crown prosecutor. That always has value no matter what. Unfortunately US law makes a specific exception for official documents and information from legal experts (it's called legal service) and when it is personally volunteered to a campaign, it is explicitly
NOT A CONTRIBUTION
>>133350053
Doesn't matter, it wasn't illegal even if she did give them something. Unless of course what was given was revealed to fall outside the realm of official/legal documents and information/advice from a legal expert.

>>133350022
>Also, is that law in the US or just some "rule of the game" in politics?
That's a law in almost every country. Hell, Canada has a law saying that non-Canadians cannot tell Canadian who to vote for.

>>133350053
>There was no information.
Such as?

>Information didn't change hands.
That's not how information works.

>The woman they met didn't have anything to give.
Except the information you claim as non-existent.

>>133343274
Lmao

>1999 pls gib food
>2017 show boi pussy

>>133350053
But nothing was given, and it was never implied that something of value that is not a legal document and information from a crown prosecutor, is what would be offered, so there is not an intent to commit a crime either here.

>>133350125
>Well you already added the word "incriminating," so you already answered it yourself. Because it was illegal.

But "incriminating" means that it reveals that someone did something, not that the act of getting the information itself is illegal. Are you implying that information is illegal if it incriminates someone in particular?

>>133350348
>implying legal documents and information from a crown prosecutor, that is incriminating, is not considered a legal service.
Wew.

>>133350189
That law says accepting anything of value from a foreign source is illegal. If it has any value, it's not volunteer.

>Unfortunately US law makes a specific exception for official documents and information from legal experts (it's called legal service) and when it is personally volunteered to a campaign
Except it was valued information. Which doesn't make it volunteered, by exchanged. And going to legal experts, legal "advice," from a foreign source would still be illegal for a presidential campaign.

>it is explicitly NOT A CONTRIBUTION
If it's accepted help, it's a contribution. That's what the word "contribute" means.

>>133350348
>Are you implying that information is illegal if it incriminates someone in particular?
That's a straw man.

>>133350476
>if it has value it's not volunteer
Nowhere in the law does it say that voluntarily provided services become contributions when they breach a certain threshold of value.

>>133350476
All voluntarily provided service has value, so is all volunteer service is an illegal contribution? No. And that is not what the law says either.

>>133350244

>Such as?
Such as what? I can't list all of the not information there wasn't

>That's not how information works.

Its a figure of speech man.

>Except the information you claim as non-existent.

I'm not claiming anything, I am saying, there is no information. Everyone that went to that meeting says that there was no information about Hillary. The woman rambled about Russian adoptions for 20 minutes, and then everyone left.

>>133350476
>If it has any value, it's not volunteer.
You seem to be getting it backwards. Being a volunteer means you are not getting something in value in return, not that you are not giving something of value.

Are you deluded, purposefully trying to deceive, or just not even speaking English?

>>133350547
That's not how the law works.

>>133350476
If voluntarily provided service is a contribution, then EVERY CANDIDATE WHO HAS EVER RUN FOR OFFICE IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA SINCE THE WATERGATE LAWS WERE IMPLEMENTED HAS BROKEN THE LAW.
Unfortunately that is not the case and you are a fucking retard

>>133350735
Yeah because it's not a law

>>133344194
But going to do something, receiving legal consultation, and then deciding against that thing, is not.

>>133350544
That's not strawman, that's a question you retard.

>>133350476
>That law says accepting anything of value from a foreign source is illegal. If it has any value, it's not volunteer.
By this retarded logic any service provided by a foreign national is illegal. After all any service worth a damn has inherit "value", right?. Read the fucking 'volunteer activity' section on the FEC website.

>>133350655
>All voluntarily provided service has value
No it doesn't. That defeats the purpose of the "volunteer" part.

>so is all volunteer service is an illegal contribution?
Depends on the service and/or contribution.

>>133350665
>I'm not claiming anything, I am saying, there is no information.
>I am saying, there is no information.
That is a claim.

>Everyone that went to that meeting says that there was no information about Hillary.
Don. Jr's recent reveal says otherwise.

>The woman rambled about Russian adoptions for 20 minutes, and then everyone left.
And then Don Jr., the person at the centre here, gave evidence of what she talked about.

>If voluntarily provided service is a contribution, then EVERY CANDIDATE WHO HAS EVER RUN FOR OFFICE IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA SINCE THE WATERGATE LAWS WERE IMPLEMENTED HAS BROKEN THE LAW.
If a specific contribution was illegal.

>>133350930
Questions can be strawmen.

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>>133343241

That law refers only to a foreign nation. It does not say recieving anything valueble is illegal.

>>133350996
>By this retarded logic any service provided by a foreign national is illegal.
It is if you're running for office and you accept it.

>>133351055
Yes, and accepting something from a foreigner to contribute and help your campaign is illegal if you're running for office.

>>133343482
>free food is not a thing of value, thats what free means
>no food was given regardless

>>133351031

It isn't a claim, it is what actually happened.

Don Jr. specifically said that when the meeting actually happened, there was no information. The woman he met with has said that she had no information. The only one saying she had information was the guy that arranged the whole thing, before the meeting actually took place.

>>133349446
He's right though, if there was no soliciting or receiving of funds then that law doesn't apply here. In its own legal definition, information is not listed as a donation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/300.2

That being said it looks dodgy as fuck, and although the natalia lawyer has never officially worked for the kremlin, she has had ties to them through her personal career. Best outcome, drumpf is made to look more retarded than he already does. Worst case scenario, another investigation that could add up to the building case for impeachment.

>>133351161
Alright, lets get into a hypothetical that probably happened in some capacity during the campaign at some point or another but I am too tired to check for myself

Someone not of US origin tweets some little covered Hillary facts or some shit. They were not asked to do this, they simply did it of their own volition. Someone in the campaign then retweets these facts and the original poster is happy that this development has taken place. These facts are used by the campaign going forward in effort to discredit Clinton and win the race.

Did the campaign violate the law?

>>133351031
How does voluntarily provided service not have value to the receiver of that free service?
If I go hand out a pamphlet as a volunteer service to the campaign, and I change a person's mind, that is a direct influence on the campaign. If hundreds of thousands of people do this, that is a direct impact on the campaign. That has value to the campaign staff.
Ok how about this: If Hillary's team received incriminating video of trump saying "grab em by the pussy" voluntarily by a citizen, that has value, in fact it has as much value as an ambiguous legal document that is "incriminating" to Hillary Clinton. Did Hillarys campaign staff place a dollar value on the alleged value of this pussy video and claim it towards their campaign contribution limit?
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that's a no.
So tell me why does an ambiguous claim of information that doesn't exist being "incriminating" without any details whatsoever, magically become so much more valuable than a rapey video of Trump, to the point where the video which had a direct impact on the election, was not considered a "contribution" and assigned a dollar value but this is.

You seriously don't see how retarded you are?

>>133351105
>It is if you're running for office and you accept it.
Wrong! Let me quote the FEC website one more time since you're a bit slow

>Generally, an individual (including a foreign national) may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone

Notice the part were is says that foreign nationals may volunteer personal services? Lol...

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I came to this thread to see Trumpfags on full damage control, and to see tasty tasty
>B-b-but Hillary Clinton
Whataboutery

I'm glad to see that I'm not disappointed in the slightest

>>133351369
>It isn't a claim, it is what actually happened.
That's not how a claim works.

>Don Jr. specifically said that when the meeting actually happened, there was no information.
Correct, and a few days later he revealed that information was, in fact, exchanged.

>The woman he met with has said that she had no information. The only one saying she had information was the guy that arranged the whole thing, before the meeting actually took place.
Correct, and then Don. Jr later revealed and posted that there was information and what that information contained.

>He's right though, if there was no soliciting or receiving of funds then that law doesn't apply here.
Except, if Don. Jr's claims are correct, there was solicitation and value received. Mainly, what he claims, opposition research.

>>133351031
Do you realize how many campaign staff and candidates have said "we owe it all to our great volunteers"? That is an explicit admission that their volunteer services are of significant value that directly influenced their campaigns. Yet not once has the collective efforts of these campaign volunteers been assigned a monetary value and claimed towards the campaign contribution limits.

>>133351507
>Did the campaign violate the law?
Potentially. Social media use is still a recent thing.

>>133351547
That's for parties volunteering something to a campaign. The campaign itself is under more regulations that violation of such can potentially be illegal.

>>133346691
When hillary's campaign talked to ukranian gov. officials about supposed trump russia collusion it was fine, so why wouldn't donald jr. talking to a russian not be fine?

>>133351636
You are a dense mother fucker. Don Jr was on Hanity not 12 hours ago saying that the woman had no information. She didn't have any opposition research. She had nothing. Nothing came from the meeting.

>>133351720
That's more in similarity with sentimental values. Not the same thing.

>>133351797
>Don Jr was on Hanity not 12 hours ago saying that the woman had no information. She didn't have any opposition research. She had nothing. Nothing came from the meeting.
1). Hannity isn't a good source of information.
2). Don. Jr posted on his twitter that there was information provided by Veselnitskaya.

>>133351830
That's not how values work

>>133349256
Then why doesn't media also focus on hillary's team talking to ukranian government about Trump?