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>>133328384
We hear that every morning around this time when bongs are sleeping m8. relax.

>>133328319
>not even 7am
>4chan

What are you, a nigger?

>>133328319
>What is wrong with you, you lazy cunts?
It's because the last cunt didn't put in the links and I cant be bothered trying to compile a whole new list of links

>>133328444
I'm not alone m8. Last thread just died.

>>133328491
Up for a game of risk then?

>>133328524
Fuck it m8 get it started. We've got fuck all else going for us obviously.

>>133328624
here

>>133328731

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My laptop just nearly fried its self out and you cunts still haven't bumped this thread.

Bump.

Lads do you think the British people are waking up and we'll again see another "man of action" in the not too distant future?

>>133329705
Ever since watching King Charles III, i'm hoping it'll be a monarch m8. We all know it won't actually be Charles. What does George's chances look like?
What man of action can be better than the monarch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoJVn0Eq8y0

>>133329705
>7 am
Yeah people normally wake up around now.

>>133328319
What happens on that island in between England and Ireland?

>>133330002
Do our monarchs really have the power to sack the MP's though? I'd be very surprised if that power hasn't already been taken away. Would be great if we had a monarch with the balls to do it though

Britain isn't ready for it's own general.

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>>133330425
Yeah, they do. It's called Royal Prerogative. The incentive for it was lost during the reign of Victoria, who sat on her arse and did fuck all worthy of her position her entire reign. Only "in grave constitutional crisis," the Sovereign can "act contrary to or without Ministerial advice."

It's up there with Royal Assent, so approval for law, which the Queen still passes but hasn't refused since Queen Anne in 1707. It all exists in theory but in practice, 90 year old Liz won't do shit, Charles won't - he's spent his entire life convincing himself his mother is out of touch so we can assume he'll be even worse. Which is why I think George.

>>133330571
Says you with your shitty Trump generals m8. Brit/pol/ is older than that.

>>133330630
Lets just kick out the Queen and make me monarch. I'll gladly fire parliament and remove kebab

>>133330760
Having you in there will probably be more effective than 90 year old Liz but doesn't that take away the whole chosen by God part of it m9

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Britain doesn't have shit for animals. Your fiercest predator is a fucking mink

For America, it's the Grizzly:
>top speed: 40 mph
>can swim and climb better than any human
>800 pounds of death
>razor sharp claws and teeth
>super thick muscles and bones, shrugs off bullets like bee stings
>will lazily rip car doors off their hinges to get at food inside
>known to fly into a berserk rage, charging it's enemy with wild abandon

This symbolizes so much.

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>>133330630
>>133330425
>do monarchs have the power to do x
What's the point of having a monarch if they can't do shit?

>>133330815
We have a German Queen with a Greek Prince consort, and now we have a Jewish Prince George.

>>133328434
>brits go to bed before 7am
kek. You aren't man enough for real nigga hours.

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>>133330867
Britain has some amazing wildlife. I say that living in Northumberland. Not really 'badass', but can't beat the English countryside. I'd rather see dears and foxes behind my house than bears anyway.

>>133330888
Ask the English Civil War/Glorious Revolution perpertators.

>>133330923
I wouldn't call her German. She is the longest reigning monarch in British history, her family has been British for longer than most new worlders have been <insert nationality here>, and European aristocrats did notoriously fuck each other. I know the house its self is German in language but they had descendants all over, but Kaiser was Victoria's grandson. I mean we don't call him British.

Not really bothered tbqh though. Elizabeth II, not denoting her accomplishments, oversaw the complete death of the British Empire, and we can blame her since she had all the powers in theory and practice to stop it, but didn't even in her youth.

It raises the question, would a strong, reasonable headed MALE monarch have done the same?

>>133331126
It's 218am and I have to be up in 5 hours. Im with you.

>>133331160
Is that Tara McCarthy?

>>133330630
Except the precedent is over 300 years old that she does fuck all and it hasn't even been confirmed in person since Queen Victoria.

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>>133331359
Apologize lardy tardy.

>>133331445
You're repeating back to me what I said. I said the precedent for it was lost with Victoria. In theory this exists though.

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmpubadm/422/42204.htm

Looking at the monarchs powers, and I need to keep saying 'in theory' because right now she's a high profile slum lord, the entire institution (the Crown) could be retaken by someone with balls.

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>>133331478
You gotta admit the resemblance is uncanny.

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>>133331668
I thought it looked more like the sketch of the Zodiac.

>>133330425
They have the power to dissolve parliament, but it would lead to civil war or the disintegration of monarchy. The public will continue to vote in the same way, nothing will change.

>>133330888
Constitutional Monarchy, prick.

The monarchy can dissolve parliament and prevent dictators from seizing power.

The monarchy can prevent parliament from passing laws.

Only the monarchy can declare war.

>>133330923
Almost our entire populace is Germanic, don't be retarded.

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>>133331868
Do you think they are related?

>>133332104
>Almost our entire populace is Germanic, don't be retarded.
Out genetics are barely changed since 6000 BC despite all the invasions of Britain. We are largely the same today as we have always been

>>133331997
How so? It's an interesting theory, the civil war part perhaps, which could lead to the disintergration of the monarchy.

But it's not exactly that simple. Our entire country, part of what makes our system as unique as it is, is how it developed slowly and developed its parliamentary/royal ties naturally over civil war, revolutions, overthrow of kings, tyrannical kings, parliament take overs, etc. Every single bit of legislation in this country is meant to accommodate the Crown. Its by far the most legally developed institution we have. It's damn near impossible to just "remove" off the bat without coming up with something new to fill the gaps. And is reverting to some banana republican system really in our interest?

I think, like the premise for King Charles III, if parliament was dissolved over something menial, the chances of civil war are null.

>>133331160
What an amusing thought regarding blaming QE2 for watching the colonies gain independence. You would prefer that India was still British then?

>>133331647
Only the act of Royal Assent in person was lost with Viccy, the last time Royal Assent was withheld was by Anne.

>>133332352
>You would prefer that India was still British then?
The whole world should be a British colony. That's not to say they should have the right to come to Britain though

>>133332352
Absolutely fucking not. And it's King George V fault, or maybe the electorate overall but more directly George, of why we needed to make India "not" British, in imperialist terms. He approved the Balfour Declaration which made every country in the British Empire equal to us. This was the end of the Empire, I'm 99% sure this is what fried us.

Elizabeth just oversaw the after effects of that and remained completely and utterly silent on the slow degradation of her country, all the while sitting there with the powers to become a real life fucking superpower or at the very least, tell parliament to fuck off time from time.

>>133332414
I don't believe that's true?

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmpubadm/422/42204.htm

I mean that's an official publication by parliament listing the Queen's prerogative powers. I certainly believe it's questionable whether it could be applied modern day, but I'm almost 100% sure the powers themselves still exist.

> The Queen's constitutional prerogatives are the personal discretionary powers which remain in the Sovereign's hands. They include the rights to advise, encourage and warn Ministers in private; to appoint the Prime Minister and other Ministers; to assent to legislation; to prorogue or to dissolve Parliament; and (in grave constitutional crisis) to act contrary to or without Ministerial advice. In ordinary circumstances The Queen, as a constitutional monarch, accepts Ministerial advice about the use of these powers if it is available, whether she personally agrees with that advice or not. That constitutional position ensures that Ministers take responsibility for the use of the powers.

>>133332725
Don't beleive what's true? 1707 she refused to sign a bill with something about a Scottish militia.

>>133332586
>He approved the Balfour Declaration which made every country in the British Empire equal to us.
Explain?

>>133332414
Sorry Royal Assent. My bad. Yeah Queen Anne in 1707. Thought you meant pregorative.

>>133332916
>>133332911
>prerogative*

>>133332477

If you know the history of the decline of British colonialism it's pretty amusing to imagine the Queen, in spite of all the politicking going on, to just be like

READY ONE'S ARMIES, WE WILL SHOW THE LITTLE BROWN PEOPLE THE TRUE MEANING OF MONARCHY.

It was mostly African and Caribbean countries that gained independence after her coronation. I don't think the modern world would stand for continued colonialism in Africa desu, maybe QE2 just saw the way the wind was blowing.

>>133332913
The electorate of the British Empire was starting to reject the vast sums of money it took for upkeep of an empire the size of Britain's, so as a sort of last ditch attempt to hold on to imperial power without having to pay so much towards upkeep, the Balfour Declaration was signed which gave every nation in the British Empire equal status to London, and Britain its self as a country.

Meaning Pajeets dying at the age of 5 in third world conditions were now equal to the men who conquered the world.

>>133333089
Oh I see. I thought it was the Balfour declaration of 1917. Didn't know there was another one.

>>133333567
The 1917 one has shekel written all over it. 1926 I should've stated. And this isn't much better than the 1917 one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1926

>>133332262
This. Mainly Celtic

>>133328434
rest of the country hates you mate

>>133328319
morning lads, just finished work, sipping a nice hot, sweet yorkshire tea and debating wether to play factorio for an hour or watch an episode of archer.

>>133334118
Play Factorio. It's a pretty fun game. I got to the late stages of it and got bored though. Could have built the rocket but didn't see the point spending a few more hours on it once I'd already pretty much completed it

i haven't even been to sleep yet me lads, lord knows how i'm going to make it to tonight.

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>>133334459
Same here mate. Been up since this time yesterday and now add on another 15 hours.

>>133334689
Damn son, how come?

>>133334223
yeah im having fun with it, got to automate blue science a year or so back but only recently reinstalled it, got my red and green going nicely and mass producing the shit i need to expand but didnt start sucking up oil yet...the problem is i tend to get a bit too sucked in and i have another shift tonight....so i think im gonna go with archer and save factorio for tomorrow

>>133334738
I decided to lurk lardtard threads while brit/pol/ was dead in the night. Next thing I know its 6am and I'm needing rocket fuel coffee. What about you?

>>133334776
Yeah the oil part is most annoying. Once you get some trains set up to bring barrels of oil from the large oilfields then it's not as bad though. That's quite late game though

>>133335034
How tall is Corbyn? He looks like a manlet on that pic

>>133334936
Pretty much the same. Went on x while this place was been shilled and got sucked in laughing at all the larpers over there and bam it's light outside. Going to leave coffee for another hour or so and then make one in the trusty giant sports direct cup.

Konta has got an English accent what's the big deal

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>>133334776
Tried Rimworld? i have a group of racists who kill/imprison non whites.

>>133335116

He is 5' 10" exactly. No more, no less.

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>>133335185

>>133335182
i tried rimworld briefly but wasnt too impressed...pretty sure it was still beta though...hows it coming along these days?

>>133335182
I've heard about it but not played it. Heard it can be really frustrating though when lightning burns all your crops and everyone dies

>>133335247
>>133335248
its improved somewhat, yes its still pretty much in beta but i found its one of those games that you eventually have to throw up you hands and shout "Well that save is fucked! best to start again", its a process of that untill youve learnt how to play.

i have an army of german shepherds that i release on pirates and raiders. Its a fun game to larp on.

>>133335246

Surely you aren't taking that image seriously?

It has the words "consider suicide" in it. It's bait for short lads, who dream of being 6ft, by saying even 6ft is too short to be considered tall.

what do we do about the fact that the next in line to the throne is married to a celeb whore?

>>133335146
Sounds like a plan. Best of luck in not dying of exhaustion m8, I'm not doing so well at succeeding myself.

>team of art therapists on call for grenfell survivors

Christ almighty lads can we just nuke London

>>133335581
Wonder who is paying for this shit.....

>>133335581
Art therapists? Is this going to anger me?

why is Theresa May still around?

>>133335669
Who?

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Reminder that if you don't have an air-rifle so you can kill shart squirrels you're not a patriot.

>>133335418
found the manlet lads, everybody laugh at him!

hahaha!

>>133335579
Thanks bud, good luck to you too. just keep on the coffee.

>>133335669
If she goes and a new leader is elected, there will be a lot of calls for another election, which based on current polling, Labour would likely win. She's sticking around to stop communists getting in power

>>133335693
The woman you see on TV sometimes whenever bad things happen

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>>133335758
what if she made it so they dont dare get rid of her because of the commies? could be a good strat.
>>133335715
b-but... im 5'7".... i tell people im 5'8"...

>>133335658
Just be safe in the knowledge that "because the state hasn't done anything a team of art therapists are in solidarity to help the local community by attending the vigil and providing a safe space for children and people to process the tragedy in a safe way"

>>133335694
ive got this badboy, its an air pistol, those arent real bullets, each shell holds a 6mm steel bb and its more than powerful enough for pest control. it also looks absolutely badass.

>>133335758
Then ignore those calls. Swap out for an interim PM until the next election. Liam Fox maybe. But she is an embarrassment.

>>133335166
She's half hungarian, half Oz. Mo farah is more british than her.

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>>133335883
forgot the pic

>>133335883
6mm steel bbs? I thought airguns only came in 4.5mm (.177) or is that with an FAC?

>>133335883
Pics

>>133335715

The "manlet" meme is an inside job,

It's short men blaming their height for why they don't get laid.

>oooh poor me, i'd be swimming in pussy if I was 5 inches taller

>>133331997
>but it would lead to civil war
what armies?

>>133335971
turns out your right, theres also a 6mm version that shoots plastic but wheres the fun in that?

>>133335427
anyone?

>>133335758
I really think Labour's popularity is overstated. In my constituency we got a letter from the Labour MP during the campaign which basically said you may as well vote for me to punish the Tories since Corbyn will never win. I really doubt the country would go full retard and elect a literal Marxist.

>>133335883
What is it Ft per lb, guarantee it's shit

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>>133335916
Fucks sake

>>133336159
Thought 6mm sounded a bit too good to be true with British "gun" laws which don't get any better for airguns. You can't even get those airguns through the post any more lel. You need photo ID and to pick it up from a shop.

>>133336222
Based on what evidence? All the polling is looking good for Labour. Ignoring that proved perilous last time.

do shooting and archery clubs still exist in your area, chaps?

>>133336243
cant remember the number but when i bought it was the most powerful air pistol you could legally own in britain. obviously this isnt an ak 47 but its no toy either.

>>133336357
Yes, ive got about 4 Shooting ranges within 10 Miles of me at least and about 10 Gun dealers/shops

>>133335916
>Half Oz
Aka half british
Mo Farah is not remotely british whatsoever

>>133336332
I didnt need a photo ID when i got this...2-3 years back, but i did need proof of address

>>133328319
Britain is kill.

Its just another shit skin country now.

>>133336357
yeah, both, and quite a few of them too.

Wahey, I'm getting neet money for depression, lads.

>>133336159
By the way, what types your airgun? Looks nice. You ever used it for hunting? Before I got into clays, I used to hunt with a Walther Century GT and a Berreta CX4 storm.

>>133336357
Archery I'm not sure. But I hear the shooting range from my house every Sunday and wednesday morning.

>>133336380
That would be 6ft/lb then. Assuming you dont have a licence.

You would have to be pretty close to dispatch a small animal and even then its a far cry from a rifle. Pretty inhumane as well if miss. Gte a nice cheap Air rifles from Gamo or something. Much better and more accurate than that shite mate.

>>133336509

You sound upbeat about it.

>>133336450
Proof of address. That's it mate. I haven't bought airguns in a very long time, my bad, knew it was some form you needed. Still no post order any more which you used to be able to do disassembled.

>>133336450
It was just on look north, because of the number of animals being shot by people with air rifles they are looking into a ban or license for them.

>>133336509
>>133336558
guess he's not depressed
i'm calling the police

>>133336344
Millions of middle class families who won't fancy paying his "garden tax." He didn't come close to winning when the Tories didn't even try. He won't do any better when they learn from their mistakes and actually attempt to run a campaign. 5 years of economic Marxism could make us Eastern Europe tier economically. As entertaining as that'd be to watch, people aren't going to vote for it.

>>133336518
You know you can get past that by fucking with the chamber where the CO2 goes? I haven't messed with airguns in almsot a decade, but it used to be a green nozzle you'd have to take out, and you could reach 25lb or however the fuck its measured.

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>>133336509
Get a gun lad, under 400 quid on gunstarnice remmy

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>>133335883
Good man. I've got a pic related. For under £200 it really packs a punch, since it's nearly as strong as you can get without a license.

>>133330113
Motorbike races

>>133336518
I got it for plinking and can hit a pencil at 40ft so go suck a dick, prick.

>>133336509

Hi, this is the DHSS. You now seem more cheerful, so won't be needing that spacker money. Now get a job or we'll take your JSA off you.

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£800 in Chatteris

>>133336660
precognition is not evidence

>>133336703
>>133336786
M8 do you know how UK FAC's work? Even if you've got a Firearms Certificate, you'd need to get them seperately added on to the certificate whch can take months. You can't just buy em online.

>>133336786
Chatteris mentioned

What if you bought an illegal gun and kept it hidden

>>133336827
No shit mate. Im just saying how much they cost, thought it pretty obvious you needed a licence. You do know that right?

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>>133336509
Hang in there lad, good times are on the horizon.

>>133336672
theres actually a really simple way to increase the power on it and several tutorials on ytube, Essentially all you have to do is compress a sppring a bit more with a couple of washers or a bolt, never bothered though, im not using it to hunt and its more than powerful enough to be fun for me.

>>133336883
You've missed the point again. Even if you've got a license, that doesn't just permit you to go down to your local and pick up whatever you like. It has to be on your FAC, so approved. Which can take months.

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Or if you have a big enough range and enough Money you can get an Accuracy International .308 for 5 grand.

Military grade shit, close to what the SAS use

>>133336913
Good times are long gone. We had our opportunity and threw it away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbL4l359bo

>>133336945
Top fucking kek. Also GOOD fucking LUCK finding ANY range in the UK that can accommodate .50 cals that isn't invite-only. I know of 1 in the entirety of Northumberland and the fucking Duke of Northumberland himself is a member.

You'll NEVER get permission to shoot a .50 cal here. Not us poorfags atleast. FEO's don't ever pass land for .50 cals that I've hear of.

>>133336427
She's more hungarian than Oz but mentally Oz since she came over here very late. Wheres Mo lived here from a young age afaik

>>133336786
outrageous

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UK Legal for under 400 Quid providing you can get a lot of shit providing you have access to a range and you licence sorted out

>>133330867
T. Has never wrestled a badger in his pith helmet

>>133337058
Mo isn't British, doesn't matter how long he lives here or how many gold medals he has

>>133337026
LMAO, where the fuck are you in the north. Im down here in Somerset And have shot a .308 with a friend whos not even rich. Wasnt his, but with a big enough range they dont give a fuck if you give them some cash

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The truth be told, the truth be told
I'm worried about the future holds, the future holds
I'm starting to worry about the UK

The truth be told, the truth be told
I'm worried about the future holds, the future holds
I'm seriously worried about the UK

They say the future's out to get you
You know that I won't let you fall
They say the future's out to get you
You know that I won't let you fall

The truth be told, the truth be told
I'm treading on my tippy toes, my tippy toes
I'm starting to worry about the UK

The truth be told, the truth be told
I'm treading on my tippy toes, my tippy toes
I'm painfully so worried about the UK

They say the future's out to get you
You know that I won't let you fall
They say the future's out to get you
You know that I won't let you fall

The truth be told, the truth be told
I'm worried what the future holds, the future holds
I'm so tired of being worried about the UK

Christ. Fuck off to /k/ with this shit.

>>133337102
mate, our professional shooting teams have to practice abroad, you can not legally own a pistol in britain at all, so unless thats a bb gun your talking out your arse.

>>133336880
What use would you have for it?

How do you think you will get an illegal weapon (not as hard as it sounds but risky)

The biggest concern is finding ammunition for it which wont be easy to come by without a licence

>>133337105
>Somalian
>Obtained Gold
Top pirate larping, reckon he's buried his medals on a desert island?

Sky news for a good giggle, there's a leftist throwing out MYSOGONY and MUH WOMEN'S RIGHTS on

>>133337058
He's also a devout Muslim born in Mogadishu who supports arsenal

>>133337305
>sky news
>ever
its fucking trash m8

>>133337349
It's good for a giggle, especially at this time in the morning. Coffee and feminism.

>>133337194
I'm in Berwick in Northumberland. Got a co-terminus SGC 7 years ago, and now hold the full certificate. Got 8 firearms. Been a gun club member for that same amount of time (plus 8 months longer) & I've NEVER heard of ANYONE owning nor shooting a .50 cal ever. I've seen a Winchester and Steyr HS fired at a gun show once. Never citizen use. As far as I'm concerned, a .50 cal is as far away as a Section 5 for a fucking RPG.
Please explain how your friend got permission to shoot a .50 cal. Does he own land that an FEO passed? If he isn't rich, I doubt those invite-only clubs are an option.

12th of July

>>133337235
mate your bullshitting. If the barrel length is over a a 30CM with a Moderator, it's legal.

>any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall

Covered under Section 1 of FAC

>>133330888
The queen is actually a crucial part of our political system. She is directly accountable to us through the public purse, and stands as the final bastion of the rights and customs of the people of this country.
Anyone that doesn't understand that needs to look into how our political system works.
The commons are directly elected by the people and hold legislative power to make laws.
The lords are accountable to the queen who is accountable to us.
Royal assent is the final block on a corrupt law, and the Queen's only job is to represent and protect the wellbeing of her people. She is literally the embodiment of Britain's customs and traditions.
There is a reason she supported Brexit – because her wealth is intimately tied to the goodwill of the people of this country, and the EU removed the final blocks on tyrannical government that we enjoy (namely her being able to defeat a corrupt law which removes our rights and customs).
We need to return the lords to the hereditary peers who are intimately connected to the people and history of this country instead of the pay for play peerships which have utterly corrupted our constitution and attempted to surrender our common law rights to a foreign power.
The hereditary peers should then be made responsible for the common law rights and freedoms of those who live in their areas, on pain of being stripped of their lands and lordship which will be given to an elected local if they fail to do so.

>>133337235
You can own pistols in Britain (and NI obviously freely), but they're mutilated with barrel lengths that come under law.

You know how they mutilate AR-15s into performing as semi-automatics, whilst still acting as "automatics"? Well, a market exists for butchered handguns in the UK.

By the way, I've never heard of handguns being used in a British range either. Only collectors use and never personally.

>>133337235
also see

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/sig-sauer-p-220-9-mm-semi-auto/Pistol-Hand-Guns/927064

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j3-tmQLjg

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you can own this in the UK providing it has a silencer over 30cm

>>133330867
Also, for your information yank, Britain used to have bears and wolves, but we killed them all.
Also we have adders.

>>133337651
INSUFFERABLY
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i have a cute female friend who bought one of these a couple months ago

unfortunately she is a lesbian

stop banging on about guns, you yankee pricks

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/feb/03/bridget-christie-funny-side-of-brexit

Saw this bitch on room 101 last night trying to put babies in

Is there a more disgusting example of a modern British woman?

>>133337756
fuck off paki cunt.

>>133337760
Archive clickbaiters
https://archive.is/kD03y

>>133337102

The question remains... why on earth would you want to shoot guns? I just presume anyone into "shooting" that isn't from a posh backround doing it for sport has not developed mentally further than a 12 year old.

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>>133337683
You need to accommodate it under law though.

>>133337719
I got a HK416 added on to my FAC 3 months after renewal, it took 7 months to get added but was worth it. I had to sell my Benneli M4 for it.

>>133337700
I really would like it if someone could call into his show today and ask him what the point of him being muslim is if he doesn't get his morals from it's scripture and/or how old he thinks ayesha was when mohammed married/consumated the marriage.

>>133337813
It was a pisstake. needs to be single shot

>>133337443
No good when in practice the monarch never does and never will stand in the way of Parliament. Look at the investigatory powers act passed earlier in the year. Britain gains stronger surveillance powers than China and there's fuck all anyone can do about it.

Fuck hereditary lords. Those families gained nobility through the same corruption centuries ago. Scrap the entire upper house and give us an inalienable bill of rights.

>>133337833
I'll try call but I doubt I'll get on. Called probably 5 or 6 times in the past and only been on once

>>133337808
Its fun? We arent all emasculated retards like you who would prefer to jerk off to anime porn or some shit instead of hunting and shooting

>>133337808
Shooting is fine. I enjoy the feeling of shooting, though I've only hunted with air rifles, clays and target shooting is an extremely addictive hobby. Cleaning, assembling and taking care of firearms is also part of the art. Particularly in the UK its nice to get hold of something you lobbied for.

>>133337878
You can mutilate some semi-automatics like I said into being lever-pull. It by NO MEANS makes them automatic but this is the closest, while still being legal ,to UK law you can get.

>>133337794
thankyou sir

>>133337891
Yeah cool just make sure you give some legit BS to the call screener about the issue he is discussing and then launch into asking how old ayesha etc..

>>133337719
have sexual relations with her

>>133333333

>>133337808
I used to think like this but
>Not wanting to learn how to shoot and own guns before the demographic shift turns the UK into South Africa

>>133337760
> Sarah "hehe me vagina" Millican
> Miranda "hoho I look like a man" Hart
> Gina "down wi da yoof" Yashere
> Shappi "the only jokes I know only appeal to ethnic Londoners" Khorsandi
And that's only a few comediennes

>>133338126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtInfQBADOU

>>133338126
And it's so painfully easier to start. Most people in the UK aren't aware they can shoot (not to mention own) anything beyond a hunting rifle, and some bolt action shotgun. Most gun clubs offer guest days for probationary membership for 30 quid and within 20 minutes, you can be learning to shoot a .22 calibre rifle. Everybody needs to take it up as a hobby, even if firearm ownership is not an option. It has an extreme practical purpose, is easy, cheap and damn near anyone in the UK can do it. Ranges don't even check backgrounds for first time goers.

>>133330113
tax dodging.

>>133337885
we already have an inalienable bill of rights bro.
We have had one since Alfred the Great in his dome book swore that it was the king's responsibility to safeguard the "rights and customs" of the people.
In 1066 william the conqueror, knowing he had to secure the goodwill of the people (there were only about 10,000 Normans) swore to uphold the laws of Edward the confessor (Alfred's) but william's successor's gradually over the next few hundred years eroded our rights until in 1642 we had the civil war and cut the king's head off in 1649.
This was not done easily, what we are not taught nowadays is that from 1066 until 1642 this isle was riven with dissent as the commoners fought to retain their sovereignty.
In 1215 we had magna carta, the peasant's revolt in 1381, in 1450 the Kent rebellion, 1497 the cornish rebellion, 1549 Kett's rebellion and then finally the civil war in 1642. These are all rebellions against the creeping authority of the royalty over the common man, I've left out the religious rebellions and those of the scots and the welsh. The point being all those rebellions involved normal men fighting the king's army, and they all essentially lost until 1642 when we finally won again.
Alfred made the rule of Law the highest power in the land, and it applied to EVERYONE, even the king. This is how he planned to govern mercia, northumbria, east anglia and Wessex even though he was only king of wessex.
We have an inalienable constitution, it is just not CODIFIED, meaning in one document. It is any several. The yanks lifted their constitution from OURS, in magna carta, the bill of rights and several other documents.

>>133338140
the only remotely amusing comedienne is a nigerian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgx3wuv7rL0

>>133338599
What's in ours then?

Clearly nothing to do with right to life, free speech, bare arms and the rest of it

I'd assume right to fair trial amongst jury of peers is in there in some capacity

>>133338599
Act of Settlement 1701, Assize of Arms, etc.

>>133338324
I literally have a 12 guage clay pigeon shoot in a field down the road from me every other weekend

>>133338714
>Clearly nothing to do with right to life, free speech, bare arms and the rest of it
Every single one of those rights is in there you dipshit. Freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, unlawful taxes, "and the rest of it" ALL comes from Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689#Provisions_of_the_Act

>the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;

"The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute I W. & M. st.2. c.2. and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."
- Bill of Rights 1689.

>>133338126
Even just learning the physical action of aiming and shooting with an air rifle would put you above nearly everyone else. Also, backyard plinking in a lot of fun if you get imaginative with how you arrange things.

Of course my fear is that, knowing our government, should the time come when whites need to be armed, they'll go around and take all the white's guns since you essentially only rent them in the UK as the government can take away your license and guns at any time they wish to do so.

>>133338714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assize_of_Arms_of_1181

This is where the first right to bear arms comes from.

This would eventually become:

>Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

In response to Protestants being disarmed by King James, which was completely against Anglo Saxon law.

>>133338792

i literally have 4 military grade assault rifles and 5000 rounds of ammunition in my closet

USA!

>>133338792
I live infront of a hill, which is part of a farm. If that hill wasn't in the way, I'd be able to see the shooting range, is how close I am to one here. This particular one is invite only but its pretty decently sized.

>>133338960
FOY

>>133338792
I literally have a 12cm butter knife in a field down the road from me. The pigs 'll never get me!

>>133338714
yes everything the yanks lifted. Even the right to bear arms, which was only taken from us after the first world war? (fact check needed) and completed after the dunblane massacre.
In this country there are two types of law- the common law (which is the god given rights and customs of every man here) and statutory law (which is law made by man ie the government)
NO common law can EVER be revoked by statutory law, and no statutory law can ever be unrevokable.
All of the thing like right to a jury trial, free speech etc etc are common law rights of a free people, which count as "customs" in the common law, and date to the time whn everyone had swords and a "king" only ruled like a town or a couple of towns, and so didn't have the power to be a tyrant. This is the real reason we are free men, not because any government at any time decided to be nice to us. We literally invented the notion of freedom, or at least were the only people to safeguard it into the modern age.
1642.
1607 was the jamestown colony (we exported freedom to the US)
1848 is when the french adopted the idea from america (thomas jefferson wrote their billof rights) and passed it to the rest of europe.

guys

let's start a movement to get the monarchy more involved in politics and limit if not remove the power of parliament

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>tfw not a britblast

>>133339306
shoo burger

>>133338823
Well then, they blatantly ignore it, which is the point I was getting to

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>>133339264
>THE QUEEN CAN DISSOLVE PARLIAMENT AND APPOINT A NEW PM IF SHE FEELS LIKE IT

#MOGGLODITE

>>1333333333

>>133339222
checked and kek.
I didn't mean anything like that you bellend, i just meant that most people aren't aware that evry other weekend i can wlak down the road from me, pay like a fiver and the cost of shells, and blast things with a shotgun with just a load of blokes stood around. It's fucking good fun.

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>bingbongs

>>13333333

>>133339243
It's shameful how many Brits don't know all of this. I mentioned it in a thread the other day and got many sweet unintentional (You)'s from yanks for claiming (rightfully) the right to bear arms was a British invention. I didn't realize how much of a trigger it is for them.

>>133339362
That's because Britain wasn't founded like America was founded. America fought a bloody Anglo v Anglo civil war, the peasants beat the state, and they used a document which used core tenants of English common law to found a nation.

The British state, however, IS the embodiment of English common law. We didn't adopt it, or pick it all up at a certain time. We invented it over the course of many centuries and like the other anon mentioned, literally defined what freedom is. We evolved it slowly, as opposed to the colonised, who picked it up all in one go.

Our "constitution", again, is uncodified. The Bill of Rights 1689 is NOT "the" Constitution, its a Bill of Rights which is a piece of legislation which goes some way to making up the (unwritten) Constitution of the UK.

You'll find its all legally followed. Just badly.

I'M GOING TO HIJACK THIS THREAD

>>133338324

At what point in my life is shooting a gun going to have an extreme practical purpose? I'm not a gangster.

>>133339622
>At what point in my life is shooting a gun going to have an extreme practical purpose?
When the muslim/african hordes get confident enough to launch a full scale insurrection in your homeland, lad.

>>133338792
I literally have a 12 bore asshole that people shoot hot loads into in a field down the road from me every other weekend

>>133339622
Knowing how to, and possessing, a gun could save your life anywhere from a minute from now until the day you die. Knowing how to operate a gun in general, is probably a safe bet given the current course of the UK. You think civil conflict isn't coming?

But yeah, on a smaller scale, you could need the know-how (and the tool) one day.

It's nearly jezza time lads.

>>133338921

Are you aware that today is the anniversary of the defeat of the papist King James II?

I mourn for the alternative timeline where Britain and Rome worked together.

>>133339622
Because our country has been in constant decline since the end of the First World War and we are now hitting levels of debt required for a revolution, immigrants are flowing freely into our country and literal communists are the main opposition to a crippled and powerless government.

I think yeah it's pretty much time to arm yourself

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>>133339306
>>133339544

Don't be impolite.

>>133339779
I was not friend. Yes, I don't agree particularly with Rome/Britain working together, but I, too wish King James had of survived. Cromwell was a traitor, and King James dissolution of parliament was legal.

>>133339362
This is true. But it shouldn't be allowed. This is what the EU has done to our politicians, it has given them just enough space to allow them to think they are a superior class of "rulers" which is not the case.
In fact the "supreme court", the fucking bullshit that it is, literally committed treason after the brexit vote.
By saying that parliament should get a vote OVER the will of the people, they snuck into law the precedent that the government is where sovereignty lies, where it is legally with the people. Hopefully this will all get sorted out soon as our politicians once again are directly accountable to us and not able to hide behind a faceless bureaucracy.
if not, we are legally allowed to take back our rights by force and defeat any tyranny that tries to take them.
if we had voted remain, we would have legally rescinded our common law rights, which is the only way you can ever legally give them up, by doing it willingly.
That's how fucking close we came.

>>133339609
>#MOGGLODITE

FIX!!!
BAYONETS!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpMa2G7S9XI

WHY DOESN'T BRIT/pol/ HAVE THE BIG GUNS

>>133339698
Is it sunny in Brighton today?

https://youtu.be/0_jNcidTyrM

In honour of it being "The Twelfth" today.

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>>133339853
>if we had voted remain, we would have legally rescinded our common law rights, which is the only way you can ever legally give them up, by doing it willingly.
>That's how fucking close we came.

Terrifying

>>133339579
I know. I have the English constitution society to thank for awakening me. I tell everyone i can, so i know lots more people know it now. Awareness is the key. Once people realise how fucking awesome we are, it's impossible not to be proud of our heritage. Which is obviously why they don't teach it to us in school.
There is no history as great as ours

>>133339853
It's also worth noting that a law abiding Englishman can't "illegally" own arms. That people talk at all about "black market" and "illegal" guns shows how little people understand.

>>133338644
Yeah, gotta give that to you - that first joke really got me

>>133339901

ALAN!!! WHY ARE YOU SUCH A FUCK TODGER???!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERjcdy9a4Nc

>>133340162
>Once people realise how fucking awesome we are, it's impossible not to be proud of our heritage
Basically this. It's an injustice that the British Empire isn't taught to children any more, but its a fucking atrocity early modern Britain, in regards to civil war, and the Glorious Revolution, isn't taught. Arguably the most important part of British history since World War 2. 50 years which would define the entire future of parliamentary democracy.

How much do you know about Anglo Saxon citizen militias, by chance? They were also apart of English common law to be upheld. The TA was actually a citizen's militia until WW1, and during the last invasion of Britain (Battle of Fishguard by the French), they were fought off by a citizens militia.

Things like that, since this was the norm until honestly exactly 100 years ago, throughout WW1, amaze me and we can definitely bring all of this back. It's still enshrined in our law and the basis for it exists.

>>133340158
>terrifying
never a truer word spoken.
But also reassuring, knowing that on some innate level, people understood the importance of a representative government, even though what we have today is so watered down as to be unworthy of the name.
I hope for a new dawn and the refreshing of our heritage. People are waking up, as usual, it took us to the very brink of destruction before we svaed ourselves. the british way.

>>133340195
>Englishman
What about all of the non-Englishmen that are here? You know the ones that those terms overwhelmingly apply to.

>>133340195

He said, as the police arrested him.

>>133340195

Also, following that logic to it's conclusion, englishmen should be allowed to own weapons of mass destruction. The line must be drawn somewhere.

>>133340409
A French diplomat observed, a year or so after WW1 ended, that there had been two revolutions in 1918.

>>133340586
He's right though. 300 years ago, disarming Englishmen got you executed. Look at King James.

>>133340566
If you think all the dodgy Slavs and Paki Jihadis aren't armed to the teeth, you're mistaken.

>>133340667
i can't see many people taking out a second mortgage to pay for a missile.

I absolutely cannot stand these fuckers who look back in time and go "yes, the Magna Carta" "common law" wow, I see now how the laws of society don't apply to me as they are superseded by these older, much more relevant documents.

No you fucks, the more recent stuff is the more relevant stuff (you know the laws made by people living in a society similar to yours). The past is a foreign country, so stop getting your laws from bloody foreigners.

>>133340409
The fyrd.
I want us to start them up again.
Yeah our warrior heritage is literally the key to everything, it's what teaches you honour and respect.
i personally want all children taught martial arts in school so they are strong and confident enough to retain their rights and freedoms, by the sword as it always was.
So i'd have kids learn gymnastics for a year in school (every day), then judo, then jujitsu, then karate, then wing chung, then kickboxing and then krav maga.
Imagine how great our country and people would be if they were all that fucking bulk. Our major problem in modern society is we have given away our rights of protection to the government, when we should be protecting them ourselves....imo

>>133340822
Try harder next time, this is poor quality bait.

>>133340804
You missed my point. I'm saying they are, overwhelmingly. Do you agree they're owned illegally and create market, given that they aren't English?

>>133340822
You're an absolute fucking mong if you can't appreciate the English state being the foundation of these things, nor the concept of freedom of speech, right to bear arms, banning of excessive bail/inhumane treatment, levying of unlawful taxes, etc.

First of all, you haven't properly differentiated the Magna Carta or "common law" proving furthermore you haven't the first clue what you're yapping on about, but we were more discussing the Rex v Rex trials after the English Civil War which were the first experiments with republican (parliamentary) democracy since the Fall of Rome over a thousand years before, the divison of power between monarchs/parliaments, distinctions between civic and criminal law, the Bill of Rights 1689, the Act of Settlement 1701, the Act of the Union etc.

>The past is a foreign country, so stop getting your laws from bloody foreigners.
Top fucking kek. This is all still the uncodified Constitution of your country you absolute mong. We've lost it because of nihilistic fucks like you who should off yourselves for the benefit of us all.

>>133340366


LAST GOOD ONE FOR THE LADS UNTIL I GET AT LEAST 3 SHOUTS ON THE

>MOGGLODITE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgbcQIT7BMc

FOR ALL YOU NEWCUNTS, THIS IS WHAT US KIDS HAD FOR CHILDRENS HOUR AT TEA-TIME...

t. OLD SQUAD
(DON'T FUCK WITH US)

>>133340822
no it's not you fucking retard. The common law takes precedent over statutory law. That is literally rule one on page one of english law,
Otherwise the tories can tomorrow rescind all your rights and say right well we'll take all your property and imprison you.
only people who are incredibly stupid think like that you fucking bellend.
Otherwise why would evry prime minister not elect themselves ruler of the universe you fucking penarse

>>133340884
The biggest problem with modern society is actually that people think a way of life, regardless of what that way is, defends itself.

Really, comfort is a problem with this outlook. How can our governments be taking away our rights if I can still get drunk on Friday and own a car? We need a winter without heating to frighten people, not a total collapse into chaos, just something to slap people around the face and bring them back to reality.

Media is essentially beer goggles for the soul.

>>133340884
>The fyrd.
Knew they had a name like that. Sounds like a great plan, anon. Something like a modern Assize of Arms, similar to the Switzerland approach perhaps, where conscripts or, in our case, "decent citizens" can be given arms. It would promote firearm safety from an early age, a respect for firearms and the ability to use firearms. It would also strike some fear into parliament which is a good thing - and how it was for centuries.

Obviously the physical arts you mentioned too.

>>133341103
good times

>>133341179
I fear we're getting that with every second that ticks by friend. Sooner or later, the British government sorts out all of our problems (top fucking kek), or we do it as Englishmen, Scotsmen and Welshmen.

>>133340884
Your core idea is sound but you make it sound like some hyperactive child's fantasy.

>>133341332

JIHAD A GOOD TIME PLAYING WITH YOUR FRIENDS BALLS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-2nByd2cr4

>>133341061

No, Ireland did the idea of "free men" first. It's called Brehon law. England caught up in the 17th century.

thought I overhead my mum say "I once dated a Cameroon" and I was about to throw up

then I realised she didn't say that, I had just woken up from a dream where she said that. she said nothing of the sort irl

lads, I'm going mentally ill thinking about racemixing

>First Secretary of State Damian Green will be taking questions on behalf of the Prime Minister at PMQs at 12 noon

Corbyn has a chance of winning his first PMQs today. Try and fit watching it into your usual discussions about 'which is the best biscuit?' or whatever other bollocks you discuss during these matters.

>>133341247
The y in Anglo Saxon was pronounced like the German ü, as in über.

But I think the biggest improvement that would be made to society by such a thing, and the knowledge of its ancient roots, is not actually the political or the physical, but rather the moral.

>>133341247
Just in case anyone doesn't know, it's pronounced the "feared". Which just sounds fucking awesome.

>>133341457
The difference between a free man and a slave in Saxon society was literally "who can bear arms."

>>133341470
>mentally ill
Time to claim bennies.

>>133341395
kek. Noone ever likes my warrior plan. Comedy. Happily take pointers on how to make it sound less.....whatever

>>133341470

I think you have understood the root of your issues well. You think about white women having sex with men of other races so often it's permeating your dreams. You feel a sense of ownership on these white women. Learn to free your mind of these conceits and recognise your concerns as trifling... soon all will perish in nuclear fires.

>>133341457
Brehon's law was civil law. English law included distinctions between civil and criminal law, theories of political hegemony and division of power between the Crown and parliament and established a median in which the monarch presided as Head of State, thus had military allegiance swore to her/him, but from the Act of Settlement (and earlier documents like the Bill of Rights), was kept distant from the politics of parliament & was directly banned from having ministers of the Crown serving on any bench in parliament. However, the monarch still held powers to dissolve parliament, assign PMs and sack their ministers (Royal Prerogative and assent for law). Thus, parliamentary democracy under the worlds very first constitutional monarchy was held.

>>133341591
hmmmm.
well one of us is wrong. Obviously i don't think it's me, and i'd be surprised if you thought it was you.....
theres only one way to find out,,,,,

>>133335916
>Mo
Mohammed.

>>133341760
The distinction between crown and parliament is extremely blurred as government acts with Royal Perogative.

>>133337683
there are no semi-automatic vulcans so no I don't believe you can

Anyone here use pre-paymeter meters for gas or electrics?

>>133341167
theres common law on how to interpret statue law but new statue takes precedent over old common law

3 TWEETS IN SUPPORT OF #MOGGLODITE

OR ELSE....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE

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Almost time for James O'Brien on LBC. Don't forget your bingo card lads

http://www.lbc.co.uk/london/radio/player/

>>133341958
This.
Case law < Parliamentary statute < EU statute

>>133341888
I'm almost certain this was established in 1757 at Rex v Wilkes, 2 Wilkson which established the Crown wasn't the monarch, and the reigning monarch could be removed under the pretence of tyranny (hence the right to bear arms). This had been really the case since the Glorious Revolution.

If you mean simply nowadays, not particularly under legislation as I'm not 100% certain, then absolutely. Parliament IS absolute now. There is no oversight, which the monarch is meant to be.

>>133341828
My book on Anglo Saxon says the y is pronounced as the 'oo' in the French 'et tu' but harder, which to me would be the German ü sound.

>>133341943
I did, and my advice is, DON'T

I'd never use one again or move somewhere that has them.

>>133342081
it's
Parlimentry Statue>EU statue as EU law is only Law Through a act of parliment which can be repealed

>>133341687
It's mainly the smorgasbord of martial arts. Its a bit too focused of an agenda. Nothing wrong with teaching some martial skill and discipline but it comes across like you want to create a nation of Bond villain henchmen.

The cringe is in the detail I think.

>>133342116
I was referring to today, yes.

>>133342220
Until we dissolve the treaties involved, if Parliamentary statute comes into conflict with EU statute, EU statute takes precedent unless the statute states freedom of interpretation as per the states constitution or customs.

>>133341958
i disagree. New statutory law can never contravene the "rights and customs" (the common law) of the people of this country.
Also no statutory law can ever be passed in perpetuity, so the theory is that any government contravening common law rights can be replaced by the people with a more favourable representative who can then repeal that law.
Common law includes the rights and customs of the people, given to them by god and as such cannot be legally removed by the powers of man. This is not overtly specified, but it is apparent and obvious in the makeup of the system. otherwise a government could pass a law that there was to be no more elections.

>>133342436
Do you have to be up for school in a few hours? Don't want your mum to get angry at you.

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>>133342385
Today we've got nothing at all going for us. Parliament is absolute and only a fool would say that. Who is their oversight? Legislation isn't enough and our ancestors knew this for both monarchs and parliaments. Even the traitor Cromwell is on record saying something of the sort about absolute parliaments.

>>133342468
Statute overrules common law, that's not an opinion, that is how it works.

>>133342533
>would say that.
deny that*
long night my bad.

>>133341494
Unfortunately Corbyn is missing it as well, it will be Green vs. Thornberry.

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>>133342436

SASH IS A COMMIE FAG

BUT HE DOES HAVE CHOONS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fICiDOCsaDQ

>>133342334
well i mainly just specify them to make the point that we should be creating rounded, competent warriors. The actual martial arts are technically irrelevant, point taken though, thankyou.

>>133342533
It's silly because our law by constitution only derives authority as granted by God through the Monarch. This is just seen as silly custom and tradition today which completely undermines parliaments legislative authority but allows them to legislate such nonsense as to disregard unborn children as not legal persons.

>>133342621
THIS IS HOW WE DO HIT

t. OLD SQUAD
(DON'T FUCK WITH US)

>>133342203
I was think of chaning these meteres to the smart meters which are getting rolled out for everybody. But cba with all the hassle of ringing up and getting them to change it.

>>133342722
Good point. Truth be told, they couldn't truly justify governing our country as the one sided clusterfuck it is now without oversight in any sane world. But it has to do largely with peoples attitudes towards democracy. The word democracy is always undeniably associated with "good" no matter the context, and "monarch" is instantly branded as medieval, corrupt and outdated. If you're 10 years old that works, but our system is unique in the fact we've blended parliamentary democracy with constitutional monarchism, now we only have the parliament and a celebrity Royal Family that may as well stand in a Trafalgar square and sign autographs at this point.

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>>133343074
Also RIP.

>>133342548
no it doesn't though. That's just a warped modern reading of the law, thanks to the erosion of sovereignty from being in the EU for forty years.
William Pitt 1st Earl of Chatham 1708-1778 (Pitt the Elder, speaking in the house of Lords, to Lord Mansfield)
“that to say, that if the commons had passed an unjustifiable vote, it was a matter between God and their own consciences, and nobody else had any thing to do with it, was such a strange assertion as he had ever heard, and involved a doctrine subversive of the constitution. What if the commons should pass a vote abolishing this house, abolishing their own house, and surrendering to the crown all the rights and liberties of the people, would it only be a matter between God and their own consciences, and would nobody else have any thing to do with it? You would have to do with it, I should have to do with it- every man in the kingdom would have to do with it- and every man in the kingdom would have a right to insist upon the repeal of such a treasonable vote, and to bring the authors of it to condign punishment.
I therefore again call upon the noble lord to declare his opinion, unless he will lie under the imputation of being conscious to himself of the illegality of the vote, and yet being restrained, by some unworthy motive, from avowing it to the world.”

>>133343031
You'll save a fuckton of money in the long-run

I had the key things in my last rented house and was paying £30 a week for gas and electric

In my new house I started off with £54 a month for both (its £63 now)

i.e. I was paying double when using the key (granted I might be in a slightly smaller house now, and I was only at the key house in winter / spring)

>>133343230
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>>133335427
Camilla's a celeb whore?

>>133342704
I think something more akin to cadets. Give them discipline and give them skills that will make them good soldiers for if they're needed, whether it be for the state or its people. Most importantly of all though give them pride in their nation and people or it's all for naught.

>>133343344
yeah that was my hope really, to make them strong and proud enough to protect their own rights against anyone or anything trying to take them.

>>133337026
Lord Roberts Center in surrey has quite a few full bore ranges

>>133343218
You can call it a warped interpretation all you want, it's how the law operates today.