Thoughts on Ben Shapiro?

>>133318430
inb4
>jew

I would like this, but getting /pol/ to get over his Jewishness will be a challenge. I just don't care he's Jewish, honest candidates have a brilliant golden soul.

Go to bed Ben. Stick to fighting SJWs, that is what you are goyd at.

>>133318602

exact thought before posting

Clever guy, very apt at rhetorics. But no great thinker. Largely incoherent views and very jewish.

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There would be zero doubt about the US being a Israeli puppet state, if this ever comes to pass.

>>133318430
>muh holocaust

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has great ideas and resolutions to things from international to inner city topics that id assume any conservative/capitalist would agree with

>all jew aside

>>133318430
>radical libertarian
>red-pilled

>>133318430
>>Said he would run when he's old enough
BTW this is probably bullshit. Why not get involved now? He can run for anything other than president but he won't because theres a more sure thing to be had being a pundit.

>>133318602
>>133318747
>>133318592
No way Shapiro 2020 or anytime for that matter, voice is to high, but he's a neat guy

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>>133318430
>thinking a Jew will ever be President in our lifetime

You have to be 18+ to post here you fucking simp

>>133320231
As opposed to what, Obama? Get over yourself, that bubble popped with Kennedy

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>>133318430
Literally a Kekistan fag. He’s retarded.

>>133318430
It is intellectually insulting and embarrassing to wear that hat.

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>>133320460
>thinking Obama is black

Must be past your bedtime, sweetie

>>133318430
>white knight
>an heroed his Breitbart job
>judgment
>longterm thinking
>politician
not a smart man

>wears a pringles cap

but what does he say that a sane person wouldn't agree with

>>133318430

Fuck no

Kys OP

>>133318430
>supply-sider
Strike 1
>Jew
Strike 2 & 3
>Zionist
Strike 4, 5, & 6

he passively endorses white genocide yet unironically has called for the genocide of the palestinians in his article "transfer isn't a dirty word"

>>133318430
I'd vote for him

But 2020 is probably a bit too early.

>>133318430
his debating skills are masterful. even though i disagree with him some several topics (and to be frank he pisses me off) i highly respect him.
NO ONE on the left will debate him. 2020 is highly unlikely because trump has a high chance of running again. 2024 is a better bet. the problem is, the political machine will never back him (right or left) he's not part of their world and they don't back people they can't control.

he would have to pull a trump and go full nuclear during the primaries to pull enough public support.

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Potential happening?

>>133321347
He is loyal opposition.

>>133318430
He's the type of Jew that would post this himself.

Unless you're the sycophant that posted you have a law degree from GW in the previous thread.

>>133318430
anti-trump and shilled for pushgate.

fuck him

>>133318430
>inb4 'he isn't redpilled' meme

He slips up all the time and reveals his power level if you follow him. He has to be careful most of the time though, hes planning to run for office.

>>133321492

agreed, 2020 was a stretch, and trump will probably win with a (possible trump jr. 2024) if the 8 goes above expectations. but besides it, I honestly think if trump and shapiro were to debate it would be a wipeout

>>133318430
>supporting a civic nationalist

He's a stupid piece of shit, only has the same old tired talking points

>>133318430
while he isn't a real thinker, he is a fantastic debater. I would like to see him rip someone to shreds in a presidential debate

His foreign policy would be shit though. More middle east bullshit. I don't know much about how he thinks about immigration

>>133322239
Good luck getting an ethnonationalist anywhere right now

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>>133318430
He barely opens his mouth to speak. How does he do that? Anyone notice that? His lips barely move. Not to mention his annoying voice.

>>133321599
holy fuck, Berkeley CAN'T handle him. if you think the milo riots were bad...

Berkeley is run by a bunch of socialists who can't debate because they know they are wrong.

don't get me wrong im a big trump supporter, been a supporter since day one, but seeing other people who speak less like a father candidate and more of a coherent politician who has similar values especially to the viewers kind of brings more game to the table, to me its worth comparing

>>133318430
Pol is a collective hivemind of failed individuals who come together over something basic as skin color. They are losers, and from this resentment escalates racism and other garbage ideologies. I look forward to war, as an upper class citizen, to purge America of whiney losers, both black and white, whom of which have no respect for the work and cultivation that defines the individual.

>>133321599
by the way the certainly will hide behind antifa. they won't let him speak no matter what. BAMN will take care of that.

>>133323576
Did Ben say this?

>>133318430
Eyebrows/10

JUST ONE FUCKING MANTRA ON POL

WITH JEWS, YOU LOSE!

FOLLOW IT NIGGER

>>133318430
>brilliant
>breaks down at the slightest hint of bants against kikery
topcuck

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>>133320503
If he was retarded he wouldn't be so smart

>>133318430
I'd vote for him

>>133323576
>Pol is a collective hivemind of failed individuals who come together over something basic as skin color.
if you saw any of the irl pol get-togethers you'd know that pol is chock full of shitskins, newfag

fuck off little jew boy

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>>133318430
>>Red pilled to the full extent
>kike
If he was truly redpilled he'd kill himself. Nothing he says can be trusted. He might be right sometimes but he will turn on us when it matters most, like all jews.

>>133321347
So your more for welfare and ineffective stimulus packages?

>>133321989
He does good Trump bad Trump. Calls it like it is.

>>133318430
>kike

>>133321599
>>133323534
As I was saying holy fuck to>>133321599
I started reading >>133323534
Synchronicity confirms happening at Berkeley.

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>>133318430
I like Ben. If pol would put down the Nazi flag for one second they would agree and he'd be a hero. But... Muh Jews. Sad!

>>133324536
Not necessarily, I'm for social welfare and stimulus spending that isn't Jewed to high heaven with handouts and pork barrel bux. But even shitty, over-Jewed social welfare and stimulus spending is better than corporate welfare.

>>133318430
He is a Jew first and a American second.

>>133318430
so is kikpiro trying to get back in our good graces?
seeing a shit done of his shilling on this board lately.
fags got some nerve, making up a story about assault just to try and hurt trump during the election.

>>133318430
Can't stand his voice desu.

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>>133322616
He thinks mass immigration is good and wonderful, the American way.

>>133318592
Sorry but there's not getting around that...

He's a Jew and thats the problem.

>>133323576
You've pasted this copypasta in a few threads now. Cut the shit, faggot.
>>133324500
Facts. Closest thing to an irl get together recently would be the anons who trolled the HWNDU stream. /Pol/ is pretty ethnically diverse.

>>133325239
>I don't give a good G-D damn about the so-called "browning of America."

YOU

CANNOT

MAKE

THIS

SHIT

UP

>>133318430
He's smart and I respect him, but debate itself is kind of bluepilled. It's coveted by people who cling to the literal and chase facts more than insight. It's better to be a writer than a debater. I had debater friends in high school who went through life as though as long as they could structure something like a debate case and argue it, it was as good as true. They all needed a good dose of "I don't know" and "What is meaning in the first place?" Word fighting is lame.

>>133318430
He wouldnt run in 202. Maybe 2024. I hope he wins.. but on the other hand i would hate for him to not do well in office because of his restrictions and then have hisw reputation ruined. He does a great service fr what he does already and convinces more and more people everyday. Still, him being president would be amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMkezVc0HQ&t=1s

>>133325026
If you'd stop trying to be a hero for one second and spend 3 seconds on Google reading literally anything about how Jews control every institution that has orchestrated the decline of the west for hundreds of years, you might not make dumb comments.

Sad!

>>133325050
How about no corporate or social welfare?
Don't you understand social welfare is used to create a voting caste for socialists?

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>>133318430
>tfw jewtube deleted all of 7th Son's Ben Shapiro parodies.

>>133325239

>browning of america
>hates islam and open borders

kek

>>133318430
Jewwwwww.

>>133318430

This isn't some game OP. Is he a race realist? No. Is he savvy on the JQ? He is a bloody kike! Two strikes in this game. Two strikes.

>>133318430
Kike lover

>>133321453
jews were the original palestinians, shouldn't he be /ourguy/ then?

>>133318430
jew who shilled against trump and would rather have hillary for president

>>133318430
Why does he hate Pat Buchanan so much? He has directly attacked the guy on numerous occasions:

>After Iraq, attack Pat Buchanan

>A few months back, I received a magazine in the mail. I hadn't ordered it, but there it was. "The American Conservative," the title blared in white-on-blue lettering.

>There were two problems: It was anti-American, and it definitely wasn't conservative.

>The articles railed against American "imperialism," the Weekly Standard and National Review, and Israel. Kevin Phillips ripped modern conservatism as "Wall Street, Big Energy, multinational corporations, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Religious Right, the Market Extremist think-tanks, and the Rush Limbaugh Axis." He urged readers to "support Democratic retention of at least the Senate."

>Two weeks later, another issue of The American Conservative arrived. This issue urged the Bush administration against considering pre-emptive war. An editorial by Taki Theodoracopulos accused neoconservative Bill Kristol of being a spy for Israel's center-right Likud Party. Theodoracopulos discussed "American arrogance" and fulminated against Israel.

>This was isolationist, anti-business, anti-Semitic, dumb economics garbage. And then I looked at the name of the editor: Patrick Buchanan.

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2003/03/12/after-iraq,-attack-pat-buchanan-n866174

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>>133325352
>25352
Self check out on this palindrome

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>>133318430
>Reagan-loving retard
No

>>133325239
Nevermind I would never vote for him fucking kike

>>133325629
This is basic lolbertarian bullshit. None of them have ever been able to explain to me how they can be for property rights AND open borders simultaneously.
Kikery at it's finest.

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>>133318430
>also a jew...

>>133325906
>For many Americans, the Pat Buchanan wing of the conservative movement drives their deep-seated fear of conservatives. When you look at Buchanan's work in recent years, it's not hard to see why.

>His isolationist economic policy is myopic. In his column of Oct. 28, 2002, titled "The Poison Fruit of Free Trade," Buchanan goes on a ludicrous free-trade-bashing binge. Buchanan argues that because U.S. taxes are too high, we should raise tariffs in order to protect American industry.

>This argument is stunningly ignorant for a person of Buchanan's "renown." Raising tariffs would push up prices of imports, thereby raising prices across the board. Consumption of goods would fall. Thousands of jobs in American industries would be lost. Real wages would also fall. The best example of the effects of high tariffs is the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, which most economists feel prolonged the Great Depression and exacerbated its effects.

>Buchanan holds immigrants in contempt. Not just illegal immigrants -- even some who immigrate legally are not fit to be Americans in Buchanan's eyes. In his book, "The Death of the West," Buchanan writes that Mexican immigrants are problematic because they are "not only from another culture, but of another race," and that "different races are far more difficult to assimilate than different cultures." This is plain un-American. The color of your skin or the racial background of your parents should never disqualify you from becoming a true American. This is the most diverse nation on Earth, even if Buchanan would prefer that it not be.

>Buchanan's anti-Semitism is well known. He has referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory," in his magazine repeatedly attacks the "Jewish lobby" and blames Israel for the current intifada.

>>133326009
A

I remember when some buffed up tranny said he'd beat the shit out of Ben and in his whiny Jew tone he said "b-b-but Ill call the police you spooky violent man!"

I dont get why /pol/ respects this guy, his only ability is to bitch and whine

>>133325472
>How about no corporate or social welfare?
I'm not saying social welfare is the road to utopia, but not having it at all doesn't seem like a winning formula. If it were, surely there'd be at least ONE nation out there that barred out as much. And yet, there's nowhere without a social safety net that serves as an at all enticing alternative.

>Don't you understand social welfare is used to create a voting caste for socialists?
Don't you understand that people voting for people you don't like is a way lesser problem than living in a fucking Darwinian nightmare society? Also, don't you understand that the biggest benefactors of social welfare in America (and the most powerful lobby in Washington) are overwhelmingly conservative, largely (but not entirely) white pensioners?

>>133325050
Shapiro is for no handouts, including to corporations. No, tax cuts are not handouts, it's letting people and corporations keep their own money.

>>133326055
>But Buchanan's favorite targets are what he calls neoconservatives (read: mainstream conservatives), who are "bent on reckless wars, global free trade and open borders." In the latest issue of his magazine, Buchanan also weaves in his favorite anti-Semitic canard, that neocons are driven by concern for the Jews and want "to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel." "We believe the great conservative movement has been hijacked and put into services that would appall the Founding Fathers," Buchanan told the Washington Times in an interview about the magazine. "Neocons are the useful idiots of the liberal establishment," Buchanan reiterated in his Dec. 30, 2002, column.

>Buchanan, not the neocons, is the useful idiot of the liberal establishment. He and others like him (notables include Theodoracopulos) are used as straw men by the left. They make it much easier to characterize conservatives as racist and isolationist old white men. If conservatives wish to reach out to new constituencies, they must jettison the Buchananites.

>Buchanan's brand of "conservatism" is closer now to the far left than it is to the mainstream right, as shown by his selection of socialist and black nationalist Lenora Fulani for his Reform Party running mate in the 2000 presidential election. Buchanan's wisdom and patriotism must be questioned when his election to the presidency would have placed an enemy of the nation a heartbeat away from the leadership of America.

>The conservative movement has progressed beyond the ideology of Pat Buchanan. But if the conservative movement continues to tolerate him, even as a fringe character, it endangers the gains it has made.

Oh, and by the way: Mr. Buchanan, take me off your mailing list.

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>>133318430
orthodox jew

anti-White

hates goyim, as he has been taught to by reading the talmud

also went completely retarded over michael fields getting PILEDRIVED INTO THE GROUND by trump

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>>133318430
I will tell you exactly what I think about Mr. Ben Shapiro, but first I want to thank our sponsors over a Birch Gold.

>>133318430
He's extremely Jewish. He also clearly isn't "red pilled to the full extent". He doesn't care about the browning of America.

>>133325239
alex jones said pretty much the same thing

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This dude has to be fucking autistic. Just look at his lifeless autist eyes in everything he's appeared in.

Also his penchant for latching on to the latest nevertrumper bullshit while still attempting to retain the "moderate high ground" is the most obnoxious thing. He's made me despise the terms dumpster fire, nothingburger, and "two things can be true"

He makes sense about everything except foreign policy. His foreign policy is 100% about defending Israel. He becomes completely irrational when any of his listeners ask him questions about it.

I'll get into why the right is acting just as badly as the left and betraying muh conservative principles, but first I'd like to say thank you to our sponsors...
>2 minutes of kike shilling
Ok, so, the right went and did this thing to some leftists because of them protesting this thing Trump did. It's not okay when the left does it, and it's not okay when the right does it either. Criticizing Trump is also perfectly reasonable. I wasn't okay with this thing when Obama did it, so I'm not okay with it when Trump does said thing either. The right is failing to uphold conservative principles by using tactics they perceive to be from the left against them.
I'll get into why the modern right is literally just as bad as the left in a second, but for that you'll have to go over to The Daily Wire and purchase a (((subscription))). For $19,99 a month you get access to the full show, the mailbag, and a holocaust memorial mug. I'm Ben Shapiro and this is the Ben Shapiro Show.

>>133326181
I don't have any objection (in principle) to low taxes. I do object to the bunk notion that lowering corporate taxes necessarily correlates to substantial job growth, particularly in this era of tax havens.

What the fuck this board is shit now. Redpilled lmao you need to go back to ledonald with this bullshit. Fuck you

>>133321118
>an heroed his Breitbart job
I see nothing wrong with this

>>133318430

Dude destroys anything liberal or SJW in a debate.

I don't really agree with the whole Zionist meme on 4chan so dudes awesome for me, i enjoy listening to him.

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How would Ben Shapiro argue against someone taller and stronger than him walking up and punching him in the face?

>>133318430
Pretty good, though he's too hard on Trump. Ben predicted that Trump would be terrible and run things like a leftist, and when Trump wasn't like that, he was never able to admit he was wrong.

Still, well worth listening to for many insightful thoughts, though like anyone, not right on everything.

>>133326055
Classic kike calling anyone he disagrees with an anti-Semite

>>133326121
Ben Shapiro is a successful political speaker with a Harvard Law degree. You are a shitposter on 4chan.

>>133327194
>a succesful political speaker
>successful

>>133318430
>Jew
>Girly voice.

>>133326972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8mbA083hE

>>133318430
>>133318430
He's a kike. baka co-belligerent at best,back-stabbing rat at worst.

>>133327194
>i gets munney!
Ah, the dumb nigger rapper defense.

>>133327150
>>133327012
>>133326181
>>133320201
>>133319917
>>133318602
>>133318592
>>133318430
Open borders pro-Israel (and therefore treasonous scumbag to the US) neocon kike. Good against SJW insanity, but that's about it. He's a mid-level boss on the redpill path.

>>133318602

i listen to shapiro alot because although he doesnt like trump he's not hysterical.

i'll never forget what shapiro did during the campaign tho.

his jewishness is a big part of his idea and he is extremely pro-israel, so it cannot be forgotten that he is tribe first. however, he is an alt-jew, and his views strengthen the west rather than weaken it

>>133321118
Breitbart is garbage. Granted Daily Wire is basically Buzzfeed for conservatives, it doesn't change the fact that getting out of Breitbart is pretty good.

>>133318430

He's very smart.

He's a great debater.

He makes conservatism sound practical/rational

H E ' S A Z I O N I S T
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He will never take a position that calls into question the judgement or behavior of his own tribe.

He's compromised.

I don't even hate him for this. It's the most practical thing he could be.

>>133325906
if shapiro hates buchanan , its because buchanan is redpilled on jews. i thought pat was Semitic before i was redpilled. i was right , he was.

>>133326812
Don't forget his unending loyalty to the words of (((Emma Lazarus))) as if they were written in the constitution.

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>>133327194
>political speaker
>law degree
What value does this contribute to the world?

Is being able to yap on and on about how your dick is bigger thanks to some loophole in quantum physics on the same level as being able to build or serve your society and it's advancement?

>>133327555
>i listen to shapiro alot because although he doesnt like trump he's not hysterical.
His current stance on Trump is ONLY because he's smart enough to see which way the wind is blowing and realizes that he'd alienate his audience (and therefore his money) if he allowed his anti-Trump views to be the dominant voice on his media.

He's a pro-Corporate welfare, open borders neocon scumbag. Don't forget that simple fact.

>>133327685
>I don't even hate him for this
For literally being a traitor to the USA? (Israel and jewish interests at the expense of his country)?

>>133328032
Like the guy said, it makes practical sense. He's on the side that's winning, after all.

>>133325906
>The articles railed against American "imperialism," the Weekly Standard and National Review, and Israel. Kevin Phillips ripped modern conservatism as "Wall Street, Big Energy, multinational corporations, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Religious Right, the Market Extremist think-tanks, and the Rush Limbaugh Axis."

All of those things are objectively true. Fuck neocon shitbags like Shapiro.

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>>133325050
>social welfare and stimulus spending
fucking commie go to lefty pol

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>>133318430
>Kassy Dillon retweeted
> :(

>>133327838
"At $201,000 a year, Harvard Law School alumni earn more than those of any other U.S. graduate school by the midpoint in their careers."

I don't get to objectively define value, but the above statistic leads me to believe that a large number of people value his education and ability to formulate opinions and arguments.

You are still a shitposter on 4chan.

>>133326520
Noone gets elected on that platform

>>133328447
I wonder why virtually all of the brown people tend towards a certain ideology then.
Really makes me think.

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>>133320460
>>133321001

(((Barach))) (((Barry))) Obama Sotoro

If he's so smart, why does he buy the holohoax? I mean, he'd have to at least be in agreement with David Cole/Stein

>>133326129
Wrong, red States might collect more welfare but the lower waged people live with more property and housing at lower costs. Conservative policies keep prices low which does more than hand outs. Also it isn't the conservatives in the red States collecting the welfare. Most people don't vote and if your on welfare your not a conservative.

>>133322616
He has voiced support for a border wall for a while even before Trump ran

>>133328569
Who's your president again? Not the candidate you and Shapiro supported.

>>133328417
>everything left of Friedman is Communism
Really singes the synapses.

>>133328936
I can easily see people on unemployment welfare voting conservative because they believe shit like raising minimal wage and regulating industries are costing them their jobs.

>>133328556
>still the 'i gets money!' defense
Literally not an argument. see >>133327542

>>133328722
In the US? Because of political history. Same reason immigrants/refugees from Communist countries tend to overwhelmingly support a certain political viewpoint.

>>133328969
He voiced support for amnesty at the same time.

>>133328556
>not even his own money, just a guess at what people who share a single demographic feature with him may earn
I took the b8, didn't I?

>>133326885
According to Thomas Sowell in cases of decreased corporate taxes, government revenue increased as a result https://youtu.be/rc-bELgAowU

>>133318430
He's smart, knows the facts, and wrecks everyone he debates. Only things I disagree with him about are religious issues. He has a problem with abortion or gays getting married where I think people should have every right to do what they want when it isn't affecting others. He's also one of the few conservatives that is honest about Trump: sometimes good, sometimes bad. He doesn't just follow him because he isn't Hillary but acknowledges his faults.

>>133328556
Monetary value =/= Actual value

toilet paper has more value than a kike who can prove that the sky is *technically* green

>>133325933
Check'd

>>133329073
lol.

I said I don't get to objectively define value. You don't get to either. To objectively define value is to be a communist shitbag, and to be ultimately un-American and antithetical to freedom and liberty. Money is as good an indicator as any of who is providing objective value. That is the capitalist system we have and it is the best proxy for a meritocracy of any system in history.

I don't give two fucks if you think Shapiro has any subjective value to your ideologies.

>>133329032
They would be right in assuming so. Good point but that does not make them conservative. You see my point was that red States tend to live in better condition than wealthier people on blue states in regards to their assets. Claiming welfare on a lower waged, because you can, even though you have more than someone who lives in a blue states, while collecting welfare, is not conservatism. A conservative on welfare would be in a dire situation. Voting republican does not make you a conservative btw. Most Republicans are not conservative.

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>>133318430
When is Ben going against Cenk?

I want to see this fucker get neutered.

>>133328975
I voted for Trump dumbass and he did not run on a less brown people platform.

>>133329735
>I said I don't get to objectively define value. You don't get to either.
Of course we do, since everything in the universe is objective.

>To objectively define value is to be a communist shitbag
Nope. That's called being pro-science and not an anti-intellectual fuckwit like yourself, apparently.

Regardless, the framework for the use of value relative to the conversation was already given by the previous anon. You bringing up money is utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

>Money is as good an indicator as any of who is providing objective value.
This literally could not be more opposite from the truth, lmao. You're entire failed attempt at argument amounts to an ad populum fallacy. Read the sticky, dummy.

>That is the capitalist system we have and it is the best proxy for a meritocracy of any system in history.
Do autism-spectrum lolbertarians actually believe laughably silly shit like this?

>I don't give two fucks if you think Shapiro has any subjective value to your ideologies.
It's value to prosperity of humanity, which is irrelevant to my tastes, as well as being objectively measurable. That people as stupid as you exist is quite troubling, though.

>>133318430
I don't like him

>>133330252
>You're entire failed attempt
Should be your, typo.

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>>133327542
>He's a mid-level boss on the redpill path.

>>133328936
>Wrong, red States might collect more welfare but the lower waged people live with more property and housing at lower costs.
So, you're saying that all that welfare is having a positive impact after all...

>Conservative policies keep prices low which does more than hand outs.
>start sentence with a term so completely vague as to be essentially meaingless
>claim that any specific set of policies - that don't amount to actual price controls - can consistently keep prices low in light of all other economic shifts
Might as well claim that the tooth fairy is real.

>Also it isn't the conservatives in the red States collecting the welfare.
Fairly dubious. Also, just a reminder, the largest group of welfare recipients in the US (who also have the strongest political lobby), are heavily conservative-voting pensioners.

>Most people don't vote and if your on welfare your not a conservative.
lol, "if you're conservative and a hypocrite, you're not actually conservative; if you're anything else and a hypocrite, your individual character can be viewed as a reflection of everyone who has anything remotely in common with you."
Fucking brilliant, how did no one think of this before.

>>133318430

>Zionist
>Will pick Israel over America
>Will pick his Jewish tribe over you

That's all you need to know about him to understand nothing good can come from Ben, in the long run.

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>>133325239
ben is dumb

>>133325446
i think he was probably lying, he does not come across as a retard

>>133330252
So either you have a complete understanding of the objective truth of the universe, or you are really just parading around your subjective opinion of it. I have a hard time believing you possess the former.

In a communist society, there is a dictator that is objectively assigning value to various roles of production. In this discussion, you are self-centered enough to think that you would make a good communist dictator because you seem to have figured out some objective truth about value.

You should really read The Gulag Archipelago.

Ad Populum fallacy has everything to do with truth, and nothing to do with value, so I don't see much problem there.

Your final point is very poor. It requires you to again have some objective truth of "human prosperity" defined which is a terrible foundation to argue any position.

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>>133318430
>white knights for some lying cunt

>>133331200
>So either you have a complete understanding of the objective truth of the universe, or you are really just parading around your subjective opinion of it.
That's a real neat false dichotomy fallacy you have there. You're really bad at this whole thinking thing.

>In a communist society, there is a dictator that is objectively assigning value to various roles of production
That's really cool, but also completely irrelevant to this discussion, because in science objective truth is found via logic and reason. That you find logical conclusions 'oppressive' is a function of your own ego and intellectual inferiority, nothing more.

>Ad Populum fallacy has everything to do with truth, and nothing to do with value
You thinking those things are separate is the funny thing.

>Your final point is very poor. It requires you to again have some objective truth of "human prosperity"
Again, this is a measurable, objective thing. You seem to be very comfortable in not knowing the objective truths of the universe (which science will only continue to parse out), and this comfort most likely comes from a discomfort in having 'oppressive' and annoying things like truth wrecking your shitty opinions. This, again, is a function of your ego and intellectual inferiority, nothing more. Science will only continue to cave your world view in more and more every passing day. Tick tock.

Daily reminder to the thread that lolbertarians are literally subhumans on the autism spectrum, and are almost as destructive to human civilization as are marxist liberals.

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>>133327194
>with a Harvard Law degree
implying we should kiss everybody's ass at that level?
You do realize that his PROFESSOR at Harvard was ELIZABETH WARREN?

>>133329336
I'm not familiar enough with the 2 older cases he mentions, but he's flat out lying by claiming that the Reagan or GWB tax cuts produced more revenue overall.

The initial Reagan tax cuts were so precipitous that they triggered a budget crises that was only averted by raising them (14 fucking times).

The GWB tax cuts did not produce a measurable increase in actual revenue. They did out-perform forecasts, but that's obviously meaningless if you can't connect it to any real growth. And they also had the crippling effect of exploding the deficit for no reason whatsoever, in the process squandering what had been a government surplus that, in hindsight, was even more badly needed than a surplus generally is.

>>133329482
>Abortion doesn't affect other people's lives
>Giving woman more freedom of doing shit without punishment
>Wasting tax money on public healthcare because stacy let the all the football team cum inside her
good goy

>>133332254
At what point did I say it should be taxpayer funded?

>>133331812
Once again you have provided a cool catchphrase without actually explaining why it is relevant. It would be like me deciding I win an argument because of an ad hominem attack, without actually demonstrating that there was one. My statement was not in fact a false dichotomy. It is still valid.

I agree that science finds objective truths about some things. I do not believe that science has found the objective truth or mechanism to measure how much value an individual provides to society. You keep claiming this exists without actually defining it. If you fail to define it using logic, by definition you are validating my claim.

I do not believe what Shapiro says is necessarily true because he is popular, but his popularity certainly provides some signal along with tons of other things about how much value he provides to society.

>>133331812

You never actually address anything he says, it's quite funny.

>I can't believe you actually believe this

is not an argument, Stefan

>>133318430
Smithers

Seems like an only child bitch, mad because he takes everything seriously but doesn't have an independent or unique thought in his body. Hated being in the shadow of Milo, practically the Paul Ryan of Journalism, though I feel like Paul Ryan is superior to him-they both suck in their roles. Are they terrible people? Don't know or care, neither one of them brings anything good to the table, just another mouth.

I understand when conservatives argue against abortion because of beliefs. But if you believe in personal freedoms and the government staying out of your shit- guns, drugs, abortions(somewhere between drugs and guns really)doctor assisted suicide, and prostitues should be legal/regulated I suppose.

The issue I've always had with conservatives is that they make sense, until it gets to these topics. Then also letting the rich get away with murder, they can also travel and take advantage of the freedoms we lack, elsewhere. Then the religion thing, atheists suck shit, but Jesus freaks, Muslims, and Jews suck

>>133333599
This is a good summary of my opinions about him. I believe he is most malleable on his abortion position when it comes to individual choice, or at least I haven't heard him give a good response.

>>133333599
But conservatives are precissely in favour of having the goverment away from your shit. They don't want the goverment to regulate things because they think goverment sucks. Democrats are for big goverment, not conservatives.

The issue about abortion though is that they don't want it to be tax funded. It's also not a religious belief, but a scientific one, that they think that there's a living human being in the uterus therefore it's not just about the woman that want the abortion but the baby that has the right to be born.

Although the last part is true, they let rich people get away with almost anything and they'll get out of their way to justify consumerism and sub-human working conditions.

>>133327555
>his views strengthen the west rather than weaken it

Every good lie has a little bit of truth. His main goal is to not solidify Trump's base. So he undermines Trump's credibility by constantly calling him stupid. Even today he claims that Trump made zero legislation even though he passed legislation against Dodd-Frank and has enacted great policies.

He intentionally counter signals Trump social media use even though that is what won him the election.

He is not to be trusted. I only listen to him to keep a gauge on basic bitch cuckservative narrative.

1) Kike
2) Neocon
3) Orthodox Jew
4) Makes money speaking to retarded 'College Republicans'
5) Gets crushed in debates with any intellectual
6) Only looks smart when surrounded by SJW 20 year olds
7) Manlet
8) Weakest most retarded defense of existence of free-will in absence of diety


Literally fucking gas chamber tier.

>>133328556

>shitposter on 4chan

So is this the new strategy? Demoralization via trivialization.

>>133329482

It was hilarious when he interviewed Thomas Sowell he was butt hurt that he couldn't jew him up.

>>133318430
>Red pilled to the full extent
Except for the single most critical element: Rejection of kike control! He won't reject that because he IS a kike. He will always try to subvert the alt-right to make it kike-friendly. A jew is a jew is a jew.

>>133318602
The day we trust a single jew is the day they can start manipulating us. Example
>I-I-I dont think this is a good idea anons
>yes greekpoor but our president believes it is a good idea and he has 6 gorrilion iq you know plus he is B A S E D

>>133335113
Shits on kikes, claims Shapiro subverts alt right. The alt right meme is gay, a year ago? Yeah, sure. Now? Richard Spencer is a fucking embarassment, & the alt-right is a sub reddit. There is no alt right. What has the alt right accomplished? Now, what has antifa accomplished? Seems antifa holds more power than alt right.

Keep trying to put /pol/ into a box

I wouldn't want to be a part of any club that would have me

>>133318602
>2015
>full of antisemitic posts
>2017
>where do you think we are

All he seems to talk about is feminism and inequality. Low Hanging Fruit: The Career.

>>133334291
>only legislative achievement is further deregulation of banks
>directly at odds with his overall agenda of empowering the white working class

>>133318430
He's like the fucking villain of a Nickelodeon cartoon

>>133318430
chronic self promoter.
you may be (((Ben))), alt-lite and normies have been invading /pol/

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>>133325239
all the heebs want the shit skins in the West

>>133318430
Hi Shapiro!

>>133318430
Can't tell if troll, or serious

>>133335680
So who would you suggest he debate? Does the progressive left actually have any good debaters or strong ideas for him to go up against?
When you're attacking the left ALL fruit is low-hanging, because the "tree" is only 4 feet tall.

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>>133318430
I don't listen to kikes under any circumstances, I know better and you should too.

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>>133339705
I don't quite understand where you are going with this, I am well aware Ben, Rothbard and Friedman etc are jewish