The Chinese are experimenting with teleportation

Forgot link

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-40573621/first-object-teleported-to-earth-s-orbit

>>133285652
That's a lie
They are experimenting with entanglement
Where these fuckers keep getting teleportation I have no idea

>>133285748
Actually, from a scientific standpoint, you are instantaneously transmitting information, thus energy, across great distances... therefore, teleportation.

Is it a wormhole

>>133286131
https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/context/entanglement-spooky-not-action-distance
Wrong.
There is no transfer of information in quantum entanglement. That was debunked recently. So the Chinese experiment is a big waste of time and money.

>>133285652
>Quantum Entanglement
We Mass Effect now boys

>>133286749
>here is no transfer of information in quantum entanglement


Im sure you'll eat these words in 10 years time.

>>133286749
>So the Chinese experiment is a big waste of time and money.
Unless that's just a cover

>>133285652
Haha meanwhile Americans are denying science.

>>133286131
t. peasant that doesn't understand the basics of physics.

>>133287163
>says Sven, the simple minded faglord overrun by shit skins

>>133285652
This is more psuedo intellectual bullshit, where the people writing the article completely misinterpret what things mean. Quantum entanglement does not work anything like the media, and especially pop sci media, thinks it works.

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>>133285652
And because it's China they'll skimp out on vital construction details or have some inexplicable big truck crash into the testing apparatus and then WHOOSH we have an army of demons running around.

>>133286131
>Actually, from a scientific standpoint, you are instantaneously transmitting information
No they're not, look up the No-communication theorem

>>133286131
information is not teleportation, faggot

nor is it actually instantaneous. Still light-speed barrier like everything else.

>>133286131
Therefore special relativity, what did china break it? Kek.

>>133287403
I was thinking half the Earth would get vaporized, so I like your version better

>>133287342

But then, you have no idea how it works either. No one does.

>>133285652
*teleports behind you*

heh nothing personal kid...

>>133287474
What a scub... Proper cancer hour rn. It was a good day until the burgers showed up.

>>133286749
You're not transferring information. You're merely inferring information.

Imagine a "Morse code" type of entanglement device that could be used for espionage. Two spies have this device with an electron inside of it that is entangled with the other device.

When Spy 1 is alive, electron 1's spin is 1/2. When Spy 2 is alive, electron 2's spin is -1/2.

When Spy 1 is dead, electron 1's spin is -1/2. When Spy 2 is dead electron 2's spin 1/2.

In both cases, no actual information is being transferred. The only thing is that because these two particles are entangled, one can INFER information from their spins.

That's the whole idea behind utilizing entanglement. It could be used for instantaneous FTL communications.

>>133285652
>be American
>buy Chinese teleporting device because we can't make our own shit
>flounder through 58 pages of Mandarin directions
>use it
>teleport and get my body half stuck in a brick wall
>blame niggers

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>>133285652
They cant build anything without it eventually killing somebody i would love to see them try and teleport. This will be fucking hilarious.

>>133288105
Are you trying to get into the fucking Spacing Guild or something? Tone it down for fuck's sake, leaf. Massive eye sore.

>>133287123
>>133287123
this

lightspeeders are the new flat earthers

>>133286749
>chinaman tell brig lies
No srurprise here

>>133288145
>buy teleportation pads in bulk from aliexpress
>announce that millions of section 8 vouchers will be distributed in every major populated urban area
>niggers storm the building
>it's full of teleporters dialed to Africa

>>133285652
Good, now let's entangle anime so we can all have waifus in our bed.

>>133288105
finally I will be able to play Jedi Academy with my Australian clan members without lag

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>>133287163

Only in both Swedish and Yiddish does the word 'science' actually mean 'sociology' and I think that's beautiful.

>>133285748
This.

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>>133285652
Not the first to teleport a photon.
Researchers in Spain already teleported photons in the Canary Islands. This was like 5 years ago. Look it up.

The novel thing is merely using the planet's orbit.

>>133288646
>africa
>not mars

>>133287957

> reddit

Did you get lost?

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>>133286131
>ib u move a torch dats shining at da mun it goes faster dan da beep of sounds :DDDD

>>133285652
>>133288145
>>133288342
Expect more of this, China already has the faster super computer In the world with Chinese chips, Japanese mathematician Shinichi Mochizuki discovered new field in math that will solve several unsolvable math problems
The West is too busy arguing if chopping your cock is normal, too busy watching anime, playing games, too busy in white guilt and self hatred, too busy with political correctness to innovate.
the West has destroyed it's own education system by implementing affirmative action which destroys merit completely. The West is in decadence and if you're in denial you're bluepilled as fuck.

>>133289243
It's also the longest distance entanglement that we know of.

There was this proposal to do an experiment with the ISS from 2013:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/15/4/043008;jsessionid=5CFF82AFC750F50A01B95DD2E0D7B9E3.c2.iopscience.cld.iop.org

But I don't think they ever did it officially.

Of course, who knows what sort of experiments the US gov't and NASA have already done which they've kept under wraps. If anything the US is letting China get the "first" officially so that no one knows just how far they've progressed their technology...

>>133285652
>Not using this technology to teleport capitalist dissidents into the sun
I'll never understand how China is a superpower

>>133285652
The Chinese always make up research to get money.

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>>133285652
>be slightly above average in intelligence
>read article
>check a couple other sources as well
>it's not really teleportation in any shape or form
>sage
>???
>OP is a fag

I found a better link about this btw:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608252/first-object-teleported-from-earth-to-orbit/

>>133287305
>implying America isn't
Reminder:
US 56% white
Washington DC 49% black, 43% white

>>133289434
>implying computer scientists give a shit about any of that nonsense

>>133285652
>shoot a photon at a satellite
>its teleporting sirry white man

kek

>>133288030
brainlet got exposed, resorts to being a faggot.

every time

>>133285652

They've already teleported photons the difficulty is not distance it's transporting large and complex structures with no information loss

>>133288342
>year 2150
>Internet 4.0 is full of Chinese teleportation fuckup webms.

>>133285652
>BBC

Have you seen their latest news praising Soros?

>>133290044
>shoot a photon at a satellite

WTF I hate Trump now

how about we tune in into the intergalactic internet and spam it with gore gifs

>>133288030
>play with numbers until it looks like something happens at the same time when it really happened at a single location between the two points
You're the idiot. Quantum entanglement is about taking two particles and getting them to synch up.

>>133287163

Ask the Chinese what they think about global warming

Spoiler alert, they don't give a shit and pollute 10x more than anyone else

>>133285652

Quantum entanglement is not teleportation. No information (a communication of that which is not known before hand) can be transmitted through entanglement.

>>133285652
Please teleport me into the fucking sun.

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>>133285652
radical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epa6WxEw1Xk

>muh chemtrailz

>>133285652
Quantum entanglement works as a communication become faster then the speed of light but will not teleport.
Would be interesting sending messages faster then speed of light. We could use it to do some Paul Revere shit if we were intergalactic.

>>133288797
I fucking laughed but you are correct.

>>133288105
-0/10 reddit science

Your shit is so retarded. Go look up what the fuck actually happens, because you don't transfer information between the two entangled "receivers" instead you're ensuring the receivers receive identical particles with identical states and phases.

>>133287474
>Still light-speed barrier like everything else.
no it isn't

that's the whole fucking point, retard

>>133290711
It's not faster than light.

The particles have to be together in order to first entangle them. Then they can be moved apart, at sublight speed, and then they can be observed.

So no its clearly not faster than light. This is what all you retards don't get about entanglement. No time is saved. Relativity holds.

>>133289833
yup

>>133285652
I can tell this is bullshit within 10 seconds.

Superluminal communication is a hypothetical process in which information is sent at faster-than-light (FTL) speeds. The current scientific consensus is that faster-than-light communication is not possible, and to date it has not been achieved in any experiment.

Superluminal communication is believed to be impossible because, in a Lorentz-invariant theory, it could be used to transmit information into the past. This contradicts causality and leads to logical paradoxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_communication

>>133288342
Chinks are sociopaths they build stuff but dont care what happens after. Chinese can construct quality stuff but at a good price.

>>133290930
dude >>133291056

There is no information transfer between the entangled particles. You literally are repeating popsci memes with zero understanding to what actually happens in the experiment and what is actually measured.

>>133285652
Bump. Finally a thread that's not a shitpost and not America related.

>>133291056
>>133290926
>create entangled particles
>separate them and place them onto two distinct points in spacetime
>change spin of one, changes spin of the other


>no FTL communication whatsoever

You guys are being autistic but you forgot about being savant.

>>133289833
checked, and yes, a massive faggot

>>133291293
>it could be used to transmit information into the past. This contradicts causality and leads to logical paradoxes.
time travel is even stupider faggots think that because you can advance local time faster or slower you can get negative time movement. It is beyond retarded.

>>133285652
Remember to archive

http://archive.is/6N41B

>>133291724
no way dude in 5 years we'll be able to achieve negative ping. /pol/ will load before you click on the bookmark

>>133285652
I remember last time they teleported something. Turns out they were wrong, they didn't do anything. I expect this to turn out much the same, but it would be fun if I'm wrong.

Based China while the West removes funding from STEM to give to social sciences and English departments.

Why the fuckarent you learning Mandarin? Anyone want to make a /learnmandarin/ general that we could learn it in like /a/ had Japanese threads.

>>133291467
So basically it's the story of the twins separated at birth. They reunited after 30 years, both are English teachers married to dentists.

>>133285748
Quantum teleportation is teleporting the state of a particle from A to B, a photon still has to move across to transmit the info. The word is pretty misleading, and we've known how to do this for over a decade now. Nothing new here besides sucking chink asshole to make them look like a threat.

>>133289632
>in the near future, super china starts a war with the US as they have so much newer technology
>the US pulls all of its toys from blackbox funding
>china gets fucked with technology fifty years ahead of anything they have
I honestly want to see all of this war tech in action rather than bombing sand holes with dumb bombs and non laser weapons. Bring it on.

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>>133285652
I made this to illustrate the fakery of this news.

It can still be used to encrypt data between two locations and only they will know what the information is, but it has to be information embedded at the moment of particle creation , you cannot pass information in real time. Fucking Chink bullshit.

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>>133292948
>america has secret technology
>nobody else does
This is what Americans really believe

>object

Fake news

>>133292948
>china gets fucked with technology fifty years ahead of anything they have
He actually believes this. You realize China has black box technology too? You realize the average Chinese IQ is 105? You realize Germany is now close allies with China? You realize Russia has been extremely close allies with China since the 50s?

>>133293407
There's nothing "fake" about the news, the term for the process is called "quantum teleportation".

It's just scientists don't expect idiots who get their knowledge from tv shows to get what it actually means.

>>133292948
War between countries with second strike capabilities is not really possible unless one country wants to exterminate the other at all cost, even if it means its own extermination as well.

>>133286920
Krogan are niggers it all makes sense

>>133285652

Hey spooks, member when I told you China was playing the future and you were playing an ancient board?

They aren't going to fail on their own.

Deal with it.

>>133293620
You can call a threesome with your mom and sister, it still won't change the fact there is no teleportation going on. It's data that can be read only in two locations, but no real time info passes on.

Dumb Brit reject.

>>133289434
Muh chineez dog eetin superority

>>133285652
Not news. Quantum entanglement has been done for decades. It's not the same photon, just a photon reacting to a photon on the ground.

>>133285652
That won't lead to teleportation, but it may lead to apparent-FTL communication, something pretty useful in space.

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>>133285652
>Believing that the Chinese actually accomplish anything other than intellectual theft and reverse engineering.

>>133293950
>>133293986
It's not that. We don't have that tech. The chinks in space are communicating with the chinks on the ground confirming they have the same stats on certain photons. Stats embedded in their creation. There is NO real time information flow.

Why does nobody read ffs?

>>133293986
>communication is instant
>data is transmitted instantly
>"but it's not teleportation"

>>133294245
There's a difference between teleporting information and teleporting matter.

next step: quantum teleportation through event horizon, quantum teleportation into dark flow area outside universe: quantum teleportation to heaven to slay god

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>>133293986
Yeah, would be a shame if we lost contact to our starships going warp 10 to wherever, right?

>>133293408
>spend more money on military than the next seven nations combined
You fucking bet I do
>>133293585
>Chinese blackbox technology
You mean an iPhone? China can't into war if it can't feed its military, and if it can't feed its military than it can't operate its toys
>>133293666
This is the only real answer, black box techs would be cool in action but utterly useless if a tactical nuke is dropped on them.

>>133294366
Definitely.

>>133294245
Holy shit you down under nigger, there is no transmission of information. The scientist in space only confirm the properties of the photon they have to the scientists on the ground, nothing else. THE PHOTON ITSELF DOESN'T PASS ANY REAL TIME INFO, ALL THE PROPERTIES IT HAS WERE EMBEDDED ON CREATION.

>>133293831
It's not me who made up the term, idiot. The actual name is accepted in scientific circles.

You took issue with "quantum teleportation" because you have a preconceived idea of what "teleportation" means. Your idea is wrong.

>>133287163
Aint nowhere in the Bible do it say nothing about moving things lest by the hands of God or man. Things just don't appear or disappear to reappear elsewhere unless thru divine interventions.
Leviticus 1:87
Romans 4:20
Job 14:88

This is the work of Satan and evil.

So I'm confused. Quantum entanglement doesn't allow manipulating one to manipulate the other? I thought that was the whole point. The way people in here are talking it's basically just syncing them up but if you change one particle it would just ruin the sync and not do anything besides that. I don't see the point of the discovery of quantum entanglement if all it is is syncing up too particles but that's all. Maybe because I'm not a physicist.

>>133293950
So it's a replicator then? As in if this could be applied to more than just a photon you could hypothetically replicate a man out of goop?

>>133294530
Fucking 70IQ brainlet. It's not an idea, it's what the articles say, you are just too fucking dumb to understand it.

>muuh China will grow larger

kys

ITS NOT TELEPORTATION TARS IT'S LOVE! LOVE CAN REACH ACROSS SPACE AND TIME!
IT IS QUANTIFIABLE!

>>133294518
>>133294323
Keep funding arts classes instead of STEM while disregarding scientific breakthroughs.

白左

>>133294719
Chinese shillbots are probably spilling over from Reddit.

meanwhile the usa is still using the imperial system

>>133290926
The two reaction simultaneously. Change the spin on one, the other changes spin. How is that not FTL communication?

>>133285652
I can recognize that photon
Wat

>>133294373
>hurr durr we spend more money on 8000 dollar toilets so we have 50 years advanced technology.
Lol

Meanwhile we live in a world where 100,000 dollar missiles can kill 10 billion dollars worth of aircraft carriers.

>>133285652
GOOD

MAYBE THIS WILL FINALLY KILL THE MUH ROADS ARGUMENT

>>133294911
Leaf this is not Star Trek. Read >>133293407
>>133293831
>>133294223
>>133294518

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>>133294719
>confused about simple terminology
>calls others brainlets
Kek

>>133285652
this has been done before tho? Am I missing something?

This will end up being quantum networking and quantum computing. Which will be insane for humanity. As a network engineer I am hoping I am still alive when the first real networks start popping up.

>>133294911
It's not because if it was, it proves the West is losing dominance in scientific and engineering breakthroughs.

The same happened on /pol/ when China invented human gene editing and made the fastest supercomputer.

>object
Fucking MSM, it's a photon. BARELY even matter.

>>133295224
Never done before at this distance. It basically BTFO previous distances by orders of magnitude.

>>133288105
yep time to bed

>>133294617
Only if you can construct a man. Good luck.

>>133295019
>the entire philosophy of the American military is to buy 8000 dollar toilets just to tell the whole world that it's toilet is more expensive
No, we buy 8000 dollar toilets that are equipped with rocket pods and machine guns to blow up every other toilet.

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>>133295208
I don't know how you have survived being this dumb. READ THE ARTICLE CAREFULLY, PIC RELATED.

Also filename.

>>133291056
When I mean send information I mean the spin of the photon so up spin means nothing happening down spin means the Germans are attacking. It would not be able to send robust information like your trap porn but simple happenings. Is it happening or is it not happening

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Chinks were making Raildex game lately.

They are making anime real.

Kids with psychic powers when?

>quantum entanglement
>teleportation
This news article is garbage. Entanglement isn't teleportation.

>>133287403
But if it happens in China, would anyone be able to tell the difference?

>>133294750
There is a moment.

>>133291056
>>133295677
There is no information passing between the particles HOLY SHIT I WILL KILL MYSELF WHY ARE YOU FAGS SO RETARDED. Read here >>133295556

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>>133295694
>Not without my railgun
>There was never any railgun

>>133288105
Woah we got a fucking nerd over here. Go back to china you gook.

>>133295752
>information instantly transmits between two points

will the chinese share the teleporter technology so all the yellows and whites can leave the diverse multicultural paradise that globalist corporate banking jews want to turn the earth into? we could meet up again after a century or two and talk about how it's a damn shame the earth became a desolate wasteland but we'd best keep it quarantined just in case.

>>133286296
so is your mom's pussy

>>133296019
>China
>gook

That means Korean, you fucking idiot.

>>133296070
I give up, /pol/ is obviously populated by low IQ retards. The libs will win. Hope in humanity - lost.

>>133289926
Yeah USA is shithole but they still think WEWUZKANGZ WE WON WARS N SHEIT

>>133295935
bulgariabro, why are you doing this to yourself? do you really expect /pol/ to understand QM?

just remember the next time you're considering taking someone's opinion on here seriously, they probably are too fucking stupid to understand entanglement. It's not an education thing, their IQs are literally just not high enough. I'd guess you need minimum like 115 to have a large enough working memory to follow the reasoning

>>133296261
They are Chinese shill bots dude. They fucking infested the place, you are not going to get though a dumb fucking peasant farmer who is reading from a script, you can't educate him even if you wanted to.

>>133285652
Everything is spiraling out of control
The end
Is nigh

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>>133285652
Need to be careful with that stuff....

>>133292470
This is a good idea

>>133294911
If you have two entangled particles, you have to destroy the entanglement to even check what state its in. There's no way to use this for communication.

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>>133296503
>>133296540
Points taken. Thanks. Will stop trying.

>just remember the next time you're considering taking someone's opinion on here seriously

This is very worrisome. I guess I expected everyone here to be like me, very foolish in hindsight.

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>>133286131
>instantaneously transmitting information

It's a whole load of nothing.

What quantum entanglement is:
>Take one red smarty and one blue smarty.
>Put each smarty into a lead-lined bags and shuffle randomly in a way that nobody/nothing knows which one is which.
>Move one of the bags to the other end of the universe.
>Open each bag at a prearranged time.
>Earth has the red one, planet chink has the blue one.
>Information about each other's state has been instantaneously "transmitted" across the universe.

>>133296838
lmao ur posts are entangled with SHIT and it's impossible to decouple them

>>133286296
>Is it a wormhole
Probably yes

>>133285652
When they say "teleport" they mean "sent a signal containing instructions which caused a particle already in orbit to restructure itself in accordance with the instructions from the signal."

but teleport sounds more dramatic

>>133292470
cuck kiwi detected

>>133296692
I remember a music video that featured that animation. Happen to know which one it is?

>>133295694

>Kids with psychic powers when?

About 20 years ago.

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>>133287403
something like the mist?

Riddle me this. What is the point of continuing to research quantum entanglement if it's a bunch of nothing and is basically more Schroedinger's cat bullshit?

>>133288105
That's fucking moronic. You don't get to decide which way electron will spin when you entangle it, you only measure it.

>>133285652
Sounds like chink lies

>>133296899
I think the issue is you care too much about the science (Which is actually a good thing) But like the other anon said this is a different battlefield.

In an argument of science, facts/theories and conclusions are what wins arguments. If this was that you would probably be the winner.

In an argument of shitposting, it's 50% science and the rest shitflinging and clickbait. The Chinese dirt peasant doesn't even know what fucking powers the computer hes being paid pennies to shill on much less quantum mechanics that can take years to get a grasp of.

>>133297367
Because you'd be asking the same question about the interior of the atom in 1935

I hate science threads on /pol/ because all it consists of is masses of un-associated posts trying to re-explain the OP's news article because EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT THEM is totally retarded and the whole thread is basically a contest of who can explain it better and arguments about why their explanation is better than others and in the end no one talks about what OPs post would really mean to the world, and we only end up with autists telling each other they don't understand anything and everyone's retarded.

Jesus just shut up already. We get it. Durr it's not actually teleportation. Thanks for the witty remark about it for the 50th time! Why don't you tell me about how everyone isn't explaining it right again?

>>133297458
That's the point. Once you measure one you can infer the other.

>>133288797

>Australia
>having good internet ever...

Pick one

Our government would opt out of 0 ping ftl net. Saying we don't need it, dialup is still perfectly fine.

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>>133297458
>You don't get to decide which way electron will spin when you entangle it, you only measure it.

Hence the "teleportation" autism. Entanglement communication is "" impossible "" and the science is Settled, so if you DO transmit specific information it's not entanglement, it's "quantum teleportation" therefore Reddit physicists were still Technically Correct so nyaaaaah

>>133296070
No. What they did was create pairs of entangled photons on Earth, half of which they beamed up to a satellite. Then they measured the photons on both Earth and in orbit and found that 911 pairs were the same in both measurements (out of millions).

They didn't transmit information, because to even check photon means you need to destroy the entanglement.

Should we start worrying about Chinese invasion now? We used to have oceans to protect us, but it sounds like this has gone down the drain now

>>133295935
Can't read that low resolution shit.
My knowledge here is limited to 30 minutes reading about it 4 years ago.
But doesn't it.
1. Get entangled
2. Move two particles away from each other
3. Change made to particle a (change spin)
4. Spin reverses on particle b

>>133296899
It's pretty sad that legitimate discussion here is impossible. The anonymous format is pretty great, and its one of the few places you can talk about topics that go against leftist orthodoxy. Sadly, this means nothing but shills, traps, t_D, stormfaggots, and evangelicucks

racial and political realism should be viewed as an engineering problem, not an excuse to fling shit. are you a physicist my dude?

why should i be impressed? america already did this in the 1950s

>>133297689
>basically a contest of who can explain it better and arguments about why their explanation is better than others

That's not basically what the science does?

>>133298040
It's not teleportation so much as a phone line using photons.
If teleportation were that we would had invented teleportation already with phone lines.

What would really be great would be condensing atoms and streaming it across vast distances to have them rearranged I think in like Star Trek.

>>133298106
>why should i be impressed? america already did this in the 1950s
You shouldn't be impressed, you should be worried anon

>>133288797
Having internet communications be instant like on a LAN would be soo awesome for multiplayer games.

NO MORE LAGSTABS IN DARK SOULS

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Also forgot
>Clickbait titles.

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>>133297964
MIT's Technology Review disagrees with your autism
>https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608252/first-object-teleported-from-earth-to-orbit/
>Back in the 1990s, scientists realized they could use this link to transmit quantum information from one point in the universe to another. The idea is to “download” all the information associated with one photon in one place and transmit it over an entangled link to another photon in another place.

>This second photon then takes on the identity of the first. To all intents and purposes, it becomes the first photon. That’s the nature of teleportation and it has been performed many times in labs on Earth

And they're MIT, soooooo

>>133298192
Sure, we don't do that here though. That's for /sci/, not /pol/.

I'm here to talk about the repercussions of the technology and the politics behind who develops it.

>>133285652
>>133285704
never take China at their word when it comes to science.

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>>133285652

>china

We should be scared as fuck

They cant even drive

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>>133298097
>It's pretty sad that legitimate discussion here is impossible

You and that retard have just been authority'ing old, fake science. Massachusetts Institute of Technology says the Chinese arrays "transmit quantum information from one point in the universe to another"
>>133298399

>>133298582
>They cant even drive
Now imagine when they start teleporting stuff all over the place

I'd never get in a teleporter should one ever exist.

I'm scared of it just making a clone of myself on the other end and erasing me.

>>133298280
The way I envision it is a quantum telegraph.
>Entangled proton on earth
>Entangled proton on colony ship to proxima centauri
>Instant communication between the two by adapting Morse code to spin changes.

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qurantum enatangerament cock suckaaaaaaaa

>>133298040
From what I've been reading on here it seems like quantum entanglement wouldn't have any use outside of laboratories since no information is being sent and you can't even convey a change in properties from one particle to the other one it's entangled with. Sounds like a whole lot of nothing to me unless you're a physicist.

And also the people that do seem to understand it have started a "why is everyone but us so stupid" conversation about people not getting what doesn't seem to be much of anything.

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>>133298434
>I'm here to talk about the repercussions of the technology and the politics behind who develops it.
How the fuck are you going to talk about the implications of something that 80% of your audience doesn't understand in the slightest?

For the few anons who actually want to understand entanglement and why BBC should be nuked
http://motls.blogspot.com/2016/03/feynman-and-epr-positronium-experiment.html

>>133298640
But these guys in this thread who studied physics at high school know better than the top scientists of China and the USA.

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>>133298097
>racial and political realism should be viewed as an engineering problem, not an excuse to fling shit.

Aye, but you need intelligent people for that, fair point. One shitposter and it all falls down.

>are you a physicist my dude?

I wanted to be one all my life, but ended up with different education. Astronomy and physics have been my hobby since I could read desu. I stopped trying to explain space, big and small, to people irl after the 9001th blank stare I got. Still trying to explain these things online and you can see the results.

>>133287163
>americans are able to land multiple rovers on mars, no problem
>euroniggers can't land a single one because parachutes are too hard for their monkey brains

>>133288105
Even if the information is only inferred, the fact that they effect each other while seemingly disconnected shows that at least some kind of information is being transferred between the two. Your explanation doesn't disprove anything.

>>133298399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_theorem

When the photons become entangled the is nothing you can do to change the outcome when you go to measure them. It's random. The only "information" that you have is that you measured the photon and know what result you'd get if you were able to measure the other photon. That's it.

Do you know what we need here?
A hinduanon, or like you /pol/ like to call them a poo in the loo. I've been told the majority of them have several reliable degrees in physics.

>>133298795
holy fuck I love deadwood. Thanks for the reminder anon

>>133285652
We Wuz enKangled

>>133298871
>top scientists of China and the USA.
They've got nothing on our autists.

>>133298873
Flat earthers in 5... 4... 3... 2...

>>133298809
Don't forget the amount of time and effort and energy it would take to send simple communications would be costly and time consuming.
You would be better off making better encryption methods than spending this much to send a basic signal.

>>133285652

tfw the Chinks develop the UAC, and colonize Mars, and unlock the gates of hell!

>>133288448
What, do you need it spelled out for you in alphabet soup?

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>>133298280
yea thats what i was saying from the beginning but Hungbro started autistic screeching in his pants.
If the agreed upon reason for the ball to change colour or change spin is predetermined for example your toast has just popped then in a way it is sending information not in a classical sense of bits down a phone line but more boolean

>>133285652
imagine how war would change with teleportin' shit

>>133290361
yeah because now they can just teleport the pollution away


wait
holy fuck
guys we should teleport all air pollution to Africa

>>133298765
>giving the burden of life to someone else with no consequences
forget teleportation lets make this instead

>>133298640
>accuses me of appeal to authority
>appeals to the authority of MIT
holy fucking shit

there's no information, you assfaggot, it just confirms a correlation that you already knew existed. on the other hand, it's disappointing to see MIT engage in clickbait

>>133285652

I guess it's no longer outside the realm of possibility that they'll teleport behind me and steal my cat.

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>>133298872
>>133298923
Wikipedia is a rock solid source of information, but the "no-go theorem" is bunk according to this MIT article on the actual technology we are talking about.
>https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608252/first-object-teleported-from-earth-to-orbit/
>The idea is to “download” all the information associated with one photon in one place and transmit it over an entangled link to another photon in another place.
>This second photon then takes on the identity of the first. To all intents and purposes, it becomes the first photon. That’s the nature of teleportation and it has been performed many times in labs on Earth

>>133291467
>separate them and place them onto two distinct points in spacetime
>change spin of one, changes spin of the other
Damn, can you back up these claims? Are we developing communication systems with this? Couldn't you use it for Morse code right away?

>>133298923

Neutrinos are what is used for information anyway, not protons.

>>133299461
I really wanted to take the bait and explain it one more time, but I won't. I have given you enough explanations itt.

>>133285652

>Chinese developing a faster than light communications system.

The burgers don't quite seem to understand just how detrimental affirmative action is to scientific progress.

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>>133299391
>it's disappointing to see MIT engage in clickbait

It's a full review of the tech including graphs and diagrams illustrating what each of the sattelite's components do.

Face it, dude, the unproven suppositions you learned about QM in high school are, surprise surprise, bullshit.

>>133299363
You have to go back

>>133299683
According to people in this thread it isn't communication and is basically giving two particles the same properties, separating them, and then confirming that they have the same properties still. I really really don't understand the point of it if that's all it is.

>>133299201
I think he was a victim to Clickbait titles. The Jews are master of that.

>>133299461
>The idea is to “download” all the information associated with one photon in one place and transmit it over an entangled link to another photon in another place.
What's "download" mean? This says nothing. Even if you assume you can somehow store information on these entangled particles, you can't move them faster than light. So they're no better than a storage container.

>This second photon then takes on the identity of the first. To all intents and purposes, it becomes the first photon. That’s the nature of teleportation and it has been performed many times in labs on Earth
It has the exact same properties as the photon on Earth. That doesn't mean we magically made the photon go from Earth to orbit. Again, this cannot be used for communication even if you assumed it was teleported.

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>>133299824
Very much correct. At least one person got it. Cheers m8.

>>133299561
Yes you can communicate using this method.

No, it doesn't exceed speed of light communication.

All it does is ensure cryptographically secure communication. It is impossible to spy on without making the people being spied on aware they are being spied upon.

>>133295556
This image is literally supported the claim that information is transmitted faster than the speed of light which is what people are saying. What are you claiming here?

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Not teleportation. Just the oogabooga media using buzzword headlines. Remember when scientists found the "god" particle?

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>>133299658
yeah yeah you've read entanglement can't move info in Wired dozens of times we get it

meanwhile, in reality
>https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608252/first-object-teleported-from-earth-to-orbit/
>The idea is to “download” all the information associated with one photon in one place and transmit it over an entangled link to another photon in another place

look at this infographic, moron

>>133286131
What it offers is revolutionary actually, communication that is impossible to intercept

>>133299807
never.
t. been here since 2012
>also you just looked at your calendar, also you just blinked

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>>133298399
first off, appeal to authority, but anyway...

... after Bell's theorem, and working within the framework of the Copenhagen interpretation, the outstanding feature of "spooky action blah blah" is that once the spin is determined for one of the set, the wave function collapses and determines the spin for the other... and everything else in the reality where the measurement has been made. To make the measurement and communicate results, you've already transferred information at subluminal speeds, but you've also decided every aspect about the reality that contains the experiment, namely that Bob, in this universe, has a -1, because Alice had a +, and vice-versa

the particles now exist in a universe where the results have agreed, because they fucking have to, which reeks of anthropic principle, but hey, I didn't make the rules

>>133298872
I went through a similar period. Even worse than the blank stare is the pretense of understanding, and you keep talking only to realize 15 mins later

Being a TA snapped me out of it. I realized those with the willingness and ability have more than enough resources (at least here) to try to find their way. Outreach is a waste of time, minus a few notable exceptions. Just keep learning stuff and let that be its own reward

>>133299962
Maybe people aren't getting it because it's a fucking retarded concept and it basically a waste of time except for physicists that have too much time on their hands. People can't wrap their heads around why there's articles written about it.

>>133300041
Remember this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly

I phone shit in all the time. So what?

>>133299962
>>133299824

They are working towards it, it is a step in the right direction, meanwhile Western scientists are concerned with making more transexuals and pushing gender spectrum.

>>133299905
>Again, this cannot be used for communication
t. gay leaf
>The idea is to “download” all the information associated with one photon in one place and transmit it over an entangled link to another photon
t. MIT

>>133286296
now trademarked as the chink hole

>>133300162
It's clickbait and buzzwords by the MSM. "Teleportation" sells clicks and papers.

>>133300167
lol.

>>133299561
Bell's inequality theorems (brush up on your knowledge on locality vs non-locality in quantum physics to understand the results):

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bell-theorem/

tl;dr: John Bell disproved any other explanation for entangled particles other than "Holy Shit Morse Code Marbles, Sweet!"

>>133285652
>BBC posting a report on a chicom report with no 3rd party verification

lel wow BBC, what the fuck happened?

>>133300340
I'm also talking about the Chinese wasting time on moving particles and seeing that they're the same. If it is basically nothing like people are saying then it should reflect badly on the Chinese that they're focusing on it instead of other things that could actually have real world applications.

>>133300278
Physical information is not the same "information" used in computers dumbass.

This is good to troll the shit out of /sci/

tl;dr: No, this isn't teleportation and this doesn't allow faster than light communication

>>133299962
ok well thats easy to understand but kinda lackluster
back to my trap porn

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>>133286131
>Have two balls in a bag, one red one green.
>You and a friend are blindfolded
>You both take a ball
>You're blindfolded buddy is thrown onto a spaceship and hurled towards the sun
>Right before he hits the sun you take off your blindfold and look at your ball, it is red
>Since you and your buddies balls are entangled, your buddy has now transferred information faster than the speed of light since you now know instantaneously that he has the green ball

Where's my PhD and BBC article?

>>133300147
>Just keep learning stuff and let that be its own reward

Yeah I'm on that stage as well. I have an uncle that is super smart, he has to work as a fucking security guard in a Mall, because science doesn't pay here and he doesn't want to go abroad, he has 3 Uni diplomas in different fields. I speak with him about all science related stuff and it scratches the itch. You have to have someone to discuss ideas with.

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>>133299824
>I really really don't understand the point of it if that's all it is.
congratulations, you are not a retard

>>133299731
>>133300058
>LOOK AT THIS DIGRAM OF LASER
>MIT GUYS, MIT
I really hope you're just baiting, in which case nice job 9/10, really earning that flag

>>133299824

Because the way that science works, is that you build off of concepts.

>>133300570
Brilliant explanation for laymen

BBC is fake news

>>133291056
>american education
pls let the chinese handle this

>>133299972
Yea I think I get it now. Still this is a pretty good technology for security purposes.

>>133299824
>I really really don't understand the point of it if that's all it is.
We could use it for an instantaneous trigger at very large distances.

>>133300753
He's right dumb homosexual scum

>>133296944
This.

>>133300478
It's more about proving a theory than anything. It's pointless for us regular dudes, but now that they know the current limits and that the theory works, they can go nuts with it.

>>133300881
>We could use it for an instantaneous trigger at very large distances.
No you couldn't, see: >>133300570

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>>133300664
>>133300132
>To perform the experiment, the Chinese team created entangled pairs of photons on the ground at a rate of about 4,000 per second. They then beamed one of these photons to the satellite, which passed overhead every day at midnight. They kept the other photon on the ground.

>Finally, they measured the photons on the ground and in orbit to confirm that entanglement was taking place, and that they were able to teleport photons in this way. Over 32 days, they sent millions of photons and found positive results in 911 cases. “We report the first quantum teleportation of independent single-photon qubits from a ground observatory to a low Earth orbit satellite—through an up-link channel— with a distance up to 1400 km,” says the Chinese team.

So you're wrong, because they don't need to "check" both sets of entangled photons. They create photons with a specific spin, and then "trust" that the qubits are the same when they check them at the destination.

Once they're sure entanglement is conserved, they "trust" the communicator not to foul the signal/entanglement en route.

You just can't read.

>>133297830
As one from a country full of big frozen fucking nothing to another country full of big scorched nothing, your government and internet providers are total twats. If we can have good 100/1000 internet then there's literally zero reason why you can't have it.

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>>133288030

Shut the fuck up you fish n chips

>>133296944
I want to live on Planet Chink anon. Looks /comfy/

>>133300948
I see, you guys are all assuming that we'll never have the ability to manipulate entanglement beyond this. Now I get why you're all screeching so autistically.

>>133295677
Couldn't you send information by sending multiple photons in specific locations and specific timings to convey more complex messages?

>>133301063
Correct. You will never be able to because FTL communication is impossible.

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>>133300570
more like
>two balls in a bag
>both are white
>one shaken violently, they have a 50/50 shot of turning red or green
>your asshole friend gets in spaceship
>flies to the gay nigger galaxy
>shakes his ball, turns green
>yours must be red

>>133300956
I don't see what this has to do with my post

>>133301063

People don't see past what's in front of their face anymore.

It's becoming a problem.

>>133301149
So you're declaring outright that we will never be able to decide the spin of an entangled particle? Bold.

>>133300708
How is this any different from bigger versions of this experiment like the balls in bags thing the articles explain? Yes, if you put two particles that have the same properties in separate areas and separate them further in space why is it a surprise when they're still the same when you check them? I always read this shit about particles not having properties until you check them but why is that so and how do they know if they can't check them? I really have a hard time believing that there's no applications for any of this with how much time and money people are spending on researching them.

>>133301119
Apparently you can only measure them and not manipulate them, and as soon as you measure them the "entanglement" (which doesn't seem to be a physical entanglement at all in any sense of the word) is broken.

>>133294589
This.

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>>133301220
>>133301220
Since you are blindfolded during the process and given a random ball, you effectively have a pair of shrodingers balls. There is no need to muddy the analogy with some magic horseshit.

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>>133301149
No, you just quantum teleport known qubits to the reciever who checks the spin.
>>133300956
>To perform the experiment, the Chinese team created entangled pairs of photons on the ground at a rate of about 4,000 per second. They then beamed one of these photons to the satellite, which passed overhead every day at midnight. They kept the other photon on the ground.
>Finally, they measured the photons on the ground and in orbit to confirm that entanglement was taking place, and that they were able to teleport photons in this way. Over 32 days, they sent millions of photons and found positive results in 911 cases. “We report the first quantum teleportation of independent single-photon qubits from a ground observatory to a low Earth orbit satellite—through an up-link channel— with a distance up to 1400 km,” says the Chinese team.
>So you're wrong, because they don't need to "check" both sets of entangled photons. They create photons with a specific spin, and then "trust" that the qubits are the same when they check them at the destination.
>Once they're sure entanglement is conserved, they "trust" the communicator not to foul the signal/entanglement en route.
>You just can't read.

>>133292539
>2 british thots settle for an easy job teaching english and marry a fat well educated man

HA!

>>133285652
>teleported a photon

wow it's fucking nothing

>>133301276
Correct. I am a physicist, are you?

>>133301417
You are falling for pseudo-science and clickbait.

>>133301406
your stupid balls have the property predetermined, this explanation was discarded before your whore of a grandmother sucked her first dick

>>133296944
Except for you can choose wether the smarty will be blue or red

>>133301530
Yep

>>133288342
I can imagine a fly scenario.

>>133300886
nobody in this thread has any idea what they're talking about
again, it's best to let the higher iq chinese handle this

>>133301599
Then how come you don't know the spin of a particle is already determined, just not observed?

>>133292869
fuck me they've known about this for a few decades

>>133301285
>Apparently you can only measure them and not manipulate them, and as soon as you measure them the "entanglement" (which doesn't seem to be a physical entanglement at all in any sense of the word) is broken.
Right but couldn't you develop a system so that these measurements can convey information (similar to how 0 and 1s can be used for complex things)? Then simply send your own entangled shit back to return a message. I think I actually have to look at how they send this stuff in the first place, I'm imagining a photon being shot at the satellite and the satellite measuring it when it's hit.

>>133295556
>"for the millions of photons sent, the researchers only confirmed their results in 911 cases."

The experiment tested MILLIONS of photons, and achieved the "teleportation" effect in only 911 cases. How is that even a statistically meaningful result?

>>133288105
There's nothing to infer because a quantum event is completely random, you can't choose when or which spy dies

>>133292539
Fucking grand analogy
Britbongs on fire tonight

>>133301726
>implying it must be set in stone
lel

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>>133301566
They're only predetermined in the sense that it's the proper representation for the analogy. Opening the bag to view your ball is no different than some magic shaking sorcery you ding dong when viewed through a 'ahem' logical framework instead of some pro chinese propaganda lens.

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>>133301119
You'll have to have the code book to read them, but yes you can. It will only contain the information you put in them before separation, of course

>>133301285
It's not complicated at all, but faggots like Neil Tyson don't explain it as simply as possible.

There is no magic in the act of observation. In order to observe anything, say your mouse right now, you have to look toward it and catch photons that have bounced off of it with your eyes. Same principle goes for any observation, you need a carrier (photons) for the information (how the mouse looks mouse). When you go into the very small parts of the universe, say quantum level, the particles you are trying to observe are so small that the photon that bounces off of them is big enough to alter their path, that's what we mean by observation changes its state and that you can't know its position and speed at the same time. If you measure its speed, the photon you used observe it will change the particle's position and vice versa if you measure its position the photon you used to bounce off of it will change the particle's speed giving it a nudge. Your mouse is much bigger than a photon, so nothing happens to it.

I hope this helps.

>>133295833
Check'd and kek'd
Chankoro ARE the demon son.

>>133301873
You fell for my trap, thus proving you are not a physicist. I said something incredibly wrong, and you didn't jump to correct me.

gg brainlet

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>>133285748
It gets clicks and ratings to say it's teleportation.

The narrative is that technology is exponential, remember? The people running the economy have a lot riding on everyone thinking the economy can never stop.

The Singularity is a Blue Pill.

>>133285652
>tfw the Chinese successfully teleported my sides into orbit through this article
Those sneaky Gooks can't keep getting away with it.

so can i finally duplicate money?

>>133301925
People have been conditioned to think quantum is magic. I don't think we can change their minds with reason anymore.

>>133301915
>They're only predetermined in the sense that it's the proper representation for the analogy
but it's not, not at all. unless you are arguing that all particles, like your balls, have a definite state before measurement, in which case you should probably post proofs and collect your Nobel

>>133286131
It's more akin to photocopying desu. Taking info imprinted on a set of atoms and copying that info(over a great distance) to blank atoms.

>>133301925
Yeah the way you describe it makes sense but it feels like every scientific "authority" don't really explain it at all and want to lead people to think it's magic. The fact that the word entanglement is used doesn't help either and the entanglement process seems more like it's just syncing their properties up. Basically it's a lack of information and really poorly chosen vocabulary that's confusing people.

The magic version of it is an interesting idea still though and it's a shame that that isn't really what it is.

>>133301119
No, you can't send information this way because it's not a coin, it's a particle. There's no way to know whether or not a photon has been observed unless you observe the photon yourself.

>>133300655
>You have to have someone to discuss ideas with.
true enough man, best of luck to you and your uncle

>>133300956
You seem like you care enough about this to actually try to understand it, but your need to shitpost is blinding you. Think about it this way: when the scientist in the space station observes the first entangled qubit, do any of the probabilities of the second entangled qubit change? If not, no spooky action at a distance

Again, if you actually care, read: http://motls.blogspot.com/2016/03/feynman-and-epr-positronium-experiment.html

Motl was a string theorist at IAS in Princeton before he decided the ivy league was too cucked for him, since authority seems to matter to you so much

*teleports behind you*
ching chong ching, kid

>>133294589
Agreed

>>133300956
You can't transmit information faster than light.

It breaks causality, and causality cannot be broken.

>>133302325
>Basically it's a lack of information and really poorly chosen vocabulary that's confusing people.

Very much so.

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>>133285652
>meanwhile at American universities

>>133285652
A couple things.

The first is that if China has done it, Russia has done it 5 years ago and hasn't talked about it, and that means the United States did it 20 years ago and went dark about it.

Secondly if China did it and is telling people about it, that means they don't think it can be used for anything good.

>>133302343
So wouldn't it just be like a coin that can only be observed by one person? Isn't that ideal for security? Either you receive the photon and get the message, or you don't receive it and know it's been intercepted.

>>133285652
The Chinese truly will inherit the Earth.

>>133285652
US has done it too
https://www.army.mil/article/164802/BREAKING__Army_scientists_successfully__teleport__Soldiers/

>>133285652
Quantum entanglement huh? I have no idea what it is, but I saw an old man reading about it on a newspaper or something. Why can't we millennials learn these kind of things? They're definitely hiding something from us.

>>133302483
That's to be expected when most people consider themselves experts on physics if they sit through a 30 minute pop science video that is 100% analogies.

There are people who think alcubierre's warp drive is anything more than a rhetorical thought experiment, even idiots at nasa tried to con people with it.

>>133289277
>mars
>not the surface of Venus or mercury
Jupiter would be pretty good too

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>>133285652
>All these butthurt Burgers
NASA BTFO

>>133287123
Technically, when particles are "entangled" and exhibit what are called non-local behavior, you could say the particles become perfect copies of each other; so no information ever *needs* to travel between them, because the "information" appears in the behavior of the entagled particles over arbitrary distances instantly.

Get it? Entanglement means you don't need to transfer anything.

>physics fag reporting

>>133302741
>Why can't we millennials learn these kind of things?

You attention span is already a quanta of itself.

>>133302742
30 minutes of pop science videos that are 100% analogies would still be able to explain this concept well but they don't.

>>133301031
The problem is connecting to the rest of the world. Light only moves so fast and their pings are always going to be shit when connecting to the outside.

>>133290704
>>GEOENGINEERING ISN"T REAL!!1 REEEEE!!11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpeRz5knaVY

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>>133285652
>chinks teleport
>burger sperg "WE ONCE WUZ WINNING"

>>133298873
Parachutes don't work on mars because the atmosphere is so thin, they have to have balloons and other ways to prevent a crash landing

>>133302761
if you do mars and you do enough in close enough proximity to each other you'll wind up with a huge biomass spewing greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, raising the planet's temperature and kickstarting the process of terraforming the planet.

couple of redirected comets and maybe a mass teleportation of muslims and you're good to go

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>>133287163
This.

>>133302897
>30 minutes of pop science videos that are 100% analogies would still be able to explain this concept well but they don't.

Analogies don't explain, they obstruct.

Only the proper maths explains the subject. Those pop sci explanations just leave people with knowledge riddled with holes that they quickly stuff with whatever they think looks good or fits there, which is how deepak chopra got rich.

For the past 7 years at least, pop-sci has devolved into anti-sci. I see there's just no coming back from that, huh.

>>133301925
Good explanation. It's actually explained in the 1st of 2nd page of the most basic book of quantum physics, written by Dirac... it shows you they don't even read the preface of a book, just watch YouTube videos

>>133285652
I heard they tried teleporting people but they came back with diminutive stature and slanted eyes.

>>133302944
>china launch first unhackable
>meanwhile quantum satellite in burgerland

this is poor memeing

>>133293585
>average chinese iq is 105
i seriously doubt that, those extrapolations are based on manipulated PISA scores, if their IQ were that high, they wouldn't live in a country with a GDP per capita lower than mexico.