Why do we go to college for years, pay all that money, when we

No degree = no job

>>133269091
This will be an important question for the generation after gen Z. Millennials have already fallen for the college meme, they're done and over with. Gen Z is still being indoctrinated into the "you have to go to college," shit, even though people are kind of starting to wake up. So I think we'll be seriously having this debate when the next generation hits HS.

>>133269091

It is extremely hard for most people to self educate. Those who can, actually do.

>>133269091
>learn whatever it is online for free?
BEING THIS RETARDED

go jack off to cuckporn some more you fuckin' moron. you're clearly too retarded to
A.) Go outside
B.) Make friends
C.) Figure out that online school can be just as expensive as real life school

College is well worth it if you choose a career which will pay off, like an MD, an RN, a DO or a PA.

Not like you lazy, stupid tradefags are competent enough to become any of those careers, though.

Cue the non-argumentative replies.

>>133269091
Ever heard of the idea of certification or instruction? For fields where you need to actually know something and have skills, it's hard to learn those skills on your own without having someone point out and get you to get rid of any habits toward bad technique.

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>>133269091
Itcs daaaaa Joooos
Da joos da joos da joos da joos

Our parents force us.
I need to find a gf who doesn't want a degree.
A foreign gf.

>>133269482
He's saying that you can learn the information on the internet, without going to any school service, you retarded redneck. I think that's true for things like history and English, but not really things like learning how to be a surgeon.

Sorry trade cucks, but college degrees are still important

>>133269091
Given all the multimillion dollar equipment I needed to use and become proficient with for my degree (both undergraduate and the current MD I'm working on), getting it at home is not an option. Don't pick stupid majors and you won't have that issue.

>>133269990
Having parents who stuck around and had expectations for you is something to be grateful for imo.

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>>133269091
Anyone who goes to college only to learn shit is a fucking idiot who will probably end up dropping out.
You go to college to lose your virginity if you still have it, get high, network, and earn pieces of paper that makes people want to give you a job.

>>133269091
so you can pay the university jews 200 grand and the bank jews about 200 grand in interest as well.

>>133269250
why not learn it first online THEN go to uni? you retards always ignore this option.

>>133269091
Exactly.


But some occupations need the key. So keep guard your heart and find your education.

>>133269091
becouse when they give you a job doesnt care a shit about your knowledgee, just your references, you can learn shit and go a great university or learn a lot and go to a humblle one. The job goes to the one that has studied in the great university

>>133270407
Get a scholarship for being "smart" like I did. Then you won't be 200k in debt like a retard.

>>133269091
Going to school makes you not an autist.

It gives you responsibility as well and a degree is a 100% sure way that someone knows X thing, no one would hire someone who learned anything exclusively on the Internet.

I could claim I know quantum physics from the Internet and the only way to prove me wrong would to make me take a test which would waste the employers time

>>133270407
You can fast track a bit but not that much if you do that. Especially if you go into something with lots of lab time. Plus you can't take more courses than you have timeslots (even if you don't need to go to the lectures). You could definitely make your 4 year bachelor 3 years though.

>>133269091
You can for most jobs to be honest, unless you're a doctor or a physicist. Then you need a piece of paper telling others you're not some fucking retard.

>>133269091
If you are smart enough you can do it, but its hard as hell. If you are capable of doing it on your own you are probably smart enough to find a way to make connections and use those skills to actually find employment. There just aren't many people who can do it.

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>>133270275
not if they voted for Kang Nigger and ruined my job prospects with street shitters and dog eaters, nigger.

>>133269091
Because self-teaching yourself in an area to the level of someone being taught in an outside setting requires an abnormal amount of discipline to train in the areas they have to but are uninterested or not good at.

>>133269091
Brainwashing.

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>>133269091
>>133269471
If if you self educate a lot of these employers flat out deny your resume's or your abilities and go for the degree's people its bullshit but its just that fucked up world we live in.

>>133269091
Because my paremts payed for me to go

>>133270642
the whole point is to know the material before you enter college so you can get at least a 3.8 gpa and not waste money or time.

not to mention you can just take classes full of material you already know year round and finish in 2 years.

>>133269250
Online degree > No degree

>>133270894
"I'm proficient in [insert complex field]!"

Ya, no. Employers don't have time to take the risk on the weirdo claiming that. The whole point of degrees is they're a certificate that you meet University X's standards for that field and the employer can check what that vouches for.

>>133269091
good luck finding a job as a professional without a degree in a relevant field

>>133269091
Chances are if you are learning something of value someone has to help you. Do not fall for meme degrees.
>chemistry professor out

>>133270515
Mexico has schools?

>>133270515
>I could claim I know quantum physics from the Internet and the only way to prove me wrong would to make me take a test which would waste the employers time
do they not do job interviews in mexico

you realize they do interview tests all the time right?

>>133271109
But dude I can totally learn everything about NMR if I just do some computer generated problems that are multiple choice and have only C-H and C=C bonds as the tested material (they may even throw in an O-H bond as a toughie)! I don't need to actually go use the machine to learn it!

>>133269091
create a standard of education quality -> accreditation is required -> assign value to a piece of paper (a degree) -> inflate the value to increase profit -> disallow accreditation to cheaper competitors

Employer gets to decide when a degree is necessary, or if self-taught individuals may qualify.
Unfortunately many job application processes have expanded such that those without a degree are filtered out early on.

Bill Gates was a college drop out. A degree is not required for success. But Bill Gates didn't live the life of an average college joe, did he?

Here's the advice we need to be giving young folks
1. Aim for the jobfield you love. sometimes that 100% REQUIRES college, but not always
2. Get in early at that workplace. When your value increases to your employer, negotiate with your employer to earn a degree on the side to move up in the work place if necessary
3. If you have interest in higher academic knowledge not required for your job, teach yourself online for free/at the cost of textbooks
ex: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/audio-video-courses/

>>133269091
Getting some education online is not a bad idea, I'm more for OJT and apprenticeships. There are not many jobs on the face of the earth that could not be mastered with OJT.

>>133269091
There are three options that fully exclude that option.

1)For many important jobs, it is absolutely impossible to self-learn, as they require equipment and practice.
2) It is is significantly harder to self-learn in general, and nearly impossible for many disciplines.
3) Graduation diploma of a prestigious university or college is a quality standard, a certificate. An employer will take a certified person in a heartbeat, and will only consider another if he has no other choice (or if he really goes out of his way to impress him)

>>133269250
>No degree = no job

no degree = great job

>>133270976
I disagree. Only people who cheat or are too stupid get online degrees

>>133271316
If your professors are only giving you simple molecules that can be solved with simple generators then you are getting fucked. What happens when there is something strange that does not match well? I bet you do not even know about 2D NMR experiments. Sad.

>>133271565
also wrong. try the OU for good measure.

>>133271316
Also you calling it a machine instead of an instrument shows how ignorant you are. I bet you are a biomajor (aka hard meme degree). Good luck with those failing med school applications.

>>133271565
Or just people who aren't betas that are afraid of girls.

>>133269250
Coming from a Russian I find it highly ironic. You bitches wouldn't have a job in a good company regardless of your diploma.

>>133271326
Bill Gates case highlights another important role of higher education. Integration into professional community of your field. While IT doesn't absolutely require to get a degree, one could see that Bill Gates (and Steve Jobs too, for the matter) businesses were born in the universities.

>>133269250
(((wrong)))

no real experience = no job
unless you are willing to work for fuck all in training for 2-8 years you will never make more than minimum.

Personally I think universities are good not for the knowledge you get from studies, but for the useful connections in the field that you aim to work in.

>>133269726
So we have an ancap here advocating for colleges and certification? Ok

>>133271781
>>133271894
I think you missed the sarcasm there... you can still call it a machine btw. Yes its use is a scientific instrument but the instrument is also a machine. Medicinal Biochem was my major btw. Currently an M2.

>>133271804
What is the OU? I have taken some online courses and even taught one. All of them are extremely easy to cheat at. Only my F and D students try to take them while my A and b students avoid them like the plague.

>>133269091

Partially "credentialing", but mostly because very few people can self-study their way to a fully fleshed out education on par with a degree from a reputable college/university. This doesn't excuse the absurd cost of private US colleges, but it's the truth.

>>133272130
open uni. it's on par with oxford and cambridge

>>133270894
If you're smart enough to self educate, you're smart enough to self employ.

>>133272216
That's actually on point.

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>>133271896
So they sit inside of their house not talking to girls with their online classes? I am not following your logic...

>>133271090
Doesn't work like that. It's no rocket science to understand in the first screening call if you actually got some skills. I see that you have just exposed yourself as not a part of a competitive job market.

>>133270498
This

>>133271922

>t. child who has never held a job

It's pretty easy to get a job that starts around say ~30k or so, which is plenty for someone around age 22 or so to live in most places (e.g. fresh college grad). From there with 2 years of experience you can easily springboard to 50k+ and it's all gravy from there provided you know what you are doing and establish clear goals, connections, etc.

I started at 33.5k at age 22 and 7 years later make 90k + ~30ish in bonuses end of year in sales.

In other words, your just making excuses because you're a girlyboy.

>>133271918
Oh, but people on 4chan from the poorer people are usually quite sucessful, while among the 1st world anons there are many NEETs who failed at life completely and whine about immigrants occupying their job. I for one work for a good company, and worked for a couple of foreign companies too.

Russian engineering and scientific degrees are still quite prominent internationally.

>>133272084
Sorry, I am an autistic PhD scientist. I feel no humor only science.

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There are some skills you only learn through practice and repeated application. Public speaking, reading, and writing seem to be a lost art among the modern American/Canadian population. Most of my coworkers can barely string a sentence together - their e-mails are appalling and the way they speak to clients is pathetic.

I have a BA with a double major in history and criminology, but I work in business. It's painfully evident who went to university, who went to college, and who has no formal education at all. While there are technical/hard skills that can be picked up simply by doing the job, a lot of the human interaction comes from repetition and development over time. If you've never had people reviewing your written work, monitoring your dialogue, and providing you with criticism, you're not going to develop it into anything stronger.

But we take the approach of "good enough" these days. Professionalism used to be something to strive for, but now it's just about money and timelines. Get it done as quickly as possible, for as little as possible. Skilled workers and client experiences are an afterthought (if at all).

TL;DR While a lot of college diplomas and university degrees are useless, there are also a lot of skills that can be acquired and honed by attending.

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>>133272415
we're talking about the ones who are to dumb to get scholarships.

they shouldnt be getting loans from shekelstein banking in the first place for the reason stated above.

>>133272201
I have taken several of their courses. You get less information and they are easy to cheat at. In fact most testing is optional to pass one of those courses.

>>133272375
You highly overestimate the average person's competence. It's not hard to get the first call back. It's much harder to hold your shit together when the technical aspect starts coming in if you lack the actual education.

>>133269091
Accreditation. People don't want to hire a high risk employee who self taught.

>>133269091
You need some form of vetting. The only alternative is even more standardized testing.

>>133272594
>muh anecdotes
just watch stanford lectures on youtube then you faggot.

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>>133269250
>mfw I'm about to retire at 21 with no degree

>>133270894
>If if you self educate a lot of these employers flat out deny your resume's or your abilities and go for the degree's people its bullshit but its just that fucked up world we live in.
It is a completely and obviously a reasonable choice of an employer who wishes to hire someone who he have confidence in rather than some hobo who will do god knows what.

>>133272462
Lol yeah, if you would be successful you would post from a different flag, бpaтюня. Cчacтливo caмooбмaнывaтьcя. Я caм нaнимaю тaких, кaк ты, и вы в бoльшинcтвe cвoём cpaныe ayтиcты, нe cпocoбныe paбoтaть в кoмaндe. Your only competetive advantage on the market is a discount price.

>>133272529
They should if they want a high paying job or non-replaceable skill set. Those who take out 200k for an art history degree and then wonder why they can't get a job are not a flaw with the system. They're a reflection of their own stupid choices.

>>133272594
no you haven't. their courses are equivalent to 3 year brick courses and you end up with a bsc hons for example.

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>>133272617

From what I have seen, those who are truly capable through self-teaching are entrepreneurs. They start their own businesses, they don't apply for an entry-level job with some company.

You need to have something that university/college won't be capable of teaching you, though - a strong work ethic. Making a living outside of a formal framework (this is your job, these are your duties, this is your salary, etc.) requires a LOT of personal effort and ambition. Most people don't have this kind of drive, and settle for something safer and more secure.

That's not to say dumb people can't make a living on their own, but it's usually doing some blue collar drudgery like landscaping or paving driveways.

>>133269091
Because Boomer HR requires an accredited degree and 5 years experience with specifics on how you work unpaid overtime for entry level positions.

>>133272740
You need testing and coursework to prove you know something. I know my students do not know it when they fail an exam.

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>>133272925
>They should if they want a high paying job or non-replaceable skill set.
a bit to obvious there mr shekelstein, good try.

>>133272512
Holy shit this I run my own business but I feel like a fucking autist when dealing with clients.

>>133273059
learn the shit online then go to college and breeze through with a 4.0 gpa so you dont waste your fucking money.

is that so hard?

>>133270345
And /pol/ is alright with this even though it has entirely subverted and flipped the original purpose of western universities.

>>133269091
Because people dont have the willpower to reject this obviously flawed system.


The only leigimate reason to go to college in the 21st century is if what you want to study requires equipment and resources that is not readily available for you on your own. This is, not coincidentally, the reason universities were started to begin with. They were not really places people went to get their desired certification and prove they were smart, they were places smart people went to have access to libraries and to communicate with other like minded people. The internet has made both of those no longer require physical habitation of a shared space, and so the only remaining legitimate reason is if you need access to things you just can not reasonably get on your own.

Anyone who says otherwise if a goddamned traitor to civilization and an enabler to a perpetual scam. They are either too ignorant to realize the truth or too unprincipled to act on it.

>>133272602
Lol, you speak like someone with experience. I interviewed tens of people and the only thing that matters is experience. If you know your shit, it doesn't matter if you have a degree. In fact, CEOs and founders of most startups never had an MBA.

>>133272349
yeah they're too beta to go to school, or anywhere in public, for that matter.

>>133272741
are you selling dope?

>>133272987
>Have PhD
Yes I have on quantum, intro to p chem, and thermodyanmics. Why the hell would I even want an online BS when I already have the highest degree possible?

>>133269091
Because you can't just learn it online. Dunno where this meme keeps coming from.

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>>133273087

You should hire someone who can bring those skills to your company - that's how I got my current job. I wrote my own CV and didn't use some template from MS Word or the internet, and it showed. I now have job security in my department because I'm one of 3 people (out of about 40) who can write formal correspondence to our partners, vendors, legal team, management, etc.

>>133272441
You can't really equate sales to normal jobs though. They're an outlier and a good salesman is worth their weight in gold, literally.

>>133272441
>sales
ah so non productive then.
engineers can pick any job they want once they put in the time to learn the trade

>>133273220
He is merely lying. Or a parasitic trust fund baby, take your pick.

>>133273179
And I do have. Is not having a degree the end of your life? Fuck no. My close mate is making 100k a year while still in med school because he taught himself to code. But you're lying if you don't think the degree is a huge benefit to the average person. Sure there's always gonna be that inspiration story of the degree-less guy who worked his way from nothing, but for every one of those stories are 10 where they just failed.

>>133269091
Because you have no proof of competence. In some professions, that can be overcome with a test during the interview process, but for many others it would be impossible to judge a mastery over the required knowledge during such a short time period. The alternative is to go back to a system of apprenticeships. which was more effective but less efficient.

>>133273147
woah slow down a bit

I agree with your premise but I'm not all up in arms over it because increasingly negative views on college and student loan debt with rising tuition costs is already self-correcting the situation.

Just because you can learn the same exact facts and research online (thanks to sites like scihub) doesn't mean we can trust you to accurately report that information to laymen like ourselves.

We vet your trustworthiness by sending you through university.

if i teach myself japanese will nintendo hire me as a translator? i really need money and skills.

>>133272906
>Lol yeah, if you would be successful you would post from a different flag, бpaтюня.
Meня ycтpaивaeт жизнь в Poccии, хoтя я paбoтaл и жил и в нecкoльких дpyгих cтpaнaх и, в пpинципe, мoгy эмигpиpoвaть пpocтo пpи нaличии жeлaния.

A вoт ты, cyдя пo твoeй aгpeccии, явнo чeм-тo нeдoвoлeн в cвoeй жизни и выбope. Кoмпeнcиpyeшь?

>>133269091
It has to do with general education, going to college introduces you to a wide range of knowledge within a field, most "autodidact" make the mistake of focusing too much in one field without gaining the general knowledge needed to understand a field in depth.

>>133273788
too bad universities are fucking useless for vetting now.

not to mention that you still cant refute the argument that you should learn online FIRST then go to uni to get your 4.0 gpa degree.

>>133273179
I wish this were true. A company I interviewed for recently sent out a test. I scored very high, 97%, only needed a 75% to pass. They decided to go with people with bachelor's degrees even though the lady recruiting told me I got the highest score and they were bringing on 5 people. Anecdotal, I know, but it makes absolutely no sense to me if these fuckers spent all that time in school and still can't get a higher score on a test than me what's the point. Makes me just want to lie on my resume and say I have some general degree

>>133272512
I didn't learn how to write in college (i went to a shitty state school), I learned how to do that in middle school and high school. Luckily for me they were great, well-funded schools in the suburbs. I didn't learn anything meaningful in college, although my reading, research, writing and oratory skills increased just through repetition and practice. I agree that most people cannot write at all, or use proper grammar. It is shocking and appalling and sad. Just watch some old clips of people talking on television from different decades; the level of intellect and discourse is so much higher than today.

I was dumb and studied poly sci and communication. I assumed knowing how to read, research and write would help me find a job but I was very wrong. People with "good" jobs don't know how to do this. Meanwhile I work minimum wage in a warehouse. Oh well. At least I can listen to audiobooks and baseball every night.

>>133273988
Maybe you smell like cheese or something? There's more to a hire than raw autistic ability.

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>>133273529

Depending on the degree and the school you attended, it also speaks to your personal ability. Someone with a "general arts" diploma from a low-tier college might have accreditation, but it won't be viewed the same as someone with a BA from a prestigious university.

Some schools have their reputation for a reason - because they're hardasses and force you to study if you want to maintain good grades. Employers know this, and they consider this when interviewing people.

I work with some people who studied the same subjects as me in university, but went to different schools. There's a noticeable difference in what was expected of them as students, and what they came away with after graduating. You don't do yourself any favours being lazy, and a lackadaisical school is only going to hurt you later on. When every other person has a BA/BSc these days, employers need to narrow the gap in other ways.

>>133269091
because a college degree has very little to do with the acquisition of knowledge, and very much to do with being a status symbol/writ of approval by existing professionals

it's meant to protect the interests of those who have already finished college by making them more valuable by virtue of having finished college

>>133273457
>sales
>nonproductive
Literally what?
Sales makes or breaks a company moron, they hustle harder than anyone.

>>133269091
Cuz we need papers, thats just how it works sorry
Plus this
>>133269471

>>133273480
And there are stories of hundreds of people with degrees who have failed, what are you talking about? Universities are just buildings where you come every day. In countries where education is free - it worth nothing. I am seeing educated losers in Germany every day, same with my Russian homeland where higher education rate is like 80 percent. Ffs I have an automotive engineer from Munich setting up my wifi and rebooting laptops.

>>133273894
Yea I was JK and I agree with you, and I'll expand on it a bit.

First off someone going through years of "education" at a university does not tell us if they're trustworthy. Plenty of educated/smart people can be biased. There are many examples throughout history of educated people being completely wrong about things and that will probably never change.

Second, you shouldn't just rely on any "expert" or "knowledgeable" opinion. If you don't understand the subject well enough to debate it, then what are you even trying to do by citing an expert's opinion? A statement asserted by an expert isn't a fact. Just because they're "more likely" to be right (which is a bit dubious and contextual - I'd sooner trust a mathematician's evaluation of his field than a cultural anthropologist's evaluation of racial differences for example) doesn't mean you can substitute an argument for their bare assertions.

>>133271090
This happens thanks to the mass industrialization of "Learning" and employers still ask for experience anyways, because everyone knows a degree is worth nothing but for some reason it's still required.

>>133273147
did anybody else notice to days date?
7/11/17 71/11/7 ?

>>133273220
Yes but that's only part. Got in really early with a big marketing group. Made way more money than I ever expected too because of some crazy accounts. I feel nothing but blessed and purely lucky to be honest.

>>133273988
I say you got lucky. This company is probably a pain to work in

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>>133274039

I worked a shitty retail job for nearly two years after graduating university, but that was primarily because the job market was so lousy at that time. Once things started to pick up, there was a flood of hiring and I was able to get in with my current company. Just keep plugging away and putting out resumes - you'll get a bite eventually. I've applied for hundreds of jobs over my life, and didn't even get calls for most of them. That's just the nature of it all.

If you really get desperate, you can always work in corrections or law enforcement. A degree and some volunteer experience, plus a few good references will land you a stable job.

>>133274390
The lack of capitalizing on ones skill set is not the fault of the Uni. If I didn't get into med school I was going to continue my work as a medicinal chemist. Some of my classmates are in the research trap doing nothing and making shit. Your skill set is a selling point and tool, not a guarantee of success.

>>133270515
>a degree is a 100% sure way that someone knows X thing

You can pass any crap by working your ass off and then forgeting about everything in a few months, degrees are bullshit and everybody knows that anyways, for some reason it's still required.

This is why employers still ask for experience because they know that you know jack shit so at the end of the day you'll end up learning the job, and it also does depend on the job because being an expert in quantum physics isn't the same as being a self taught car mechanic.

>>133269482

>he fell for the college meme

Don't you have work in an hour? Mr. Goldberg will be very upset if you arrive late again!

>>133271163
The USA has schools?

>>133271326
Because bill gates invented shit and jew'd his way to $$$

>>133274766
We've got almost all the top 20 uni's.

Your shit hole doesnt have anything.

>>133273850
Hy ecли жил и paбoтaл, тoгдa бы нe пopoл гopячкy пpo oбpaзoвaниe. Ecли, кoнeчнo, хoть кyдa-тo пpoбилcя и пoзнaкoмилcя c хaйpингoм, кoгдa 50 чeлoвeк нa мecтo. Ho чтo-тo мнe пoдcкaзывaeт, чтo ты тaк и нe cтaл звeздoй и пoeхaл нa poдинy, гдe кoнкypeнция нижe и вepят в мeмы пpo зaпaдных cпeциaлиcтoв.

>>133274473
wow and so was yesterday if you write it like this
7/10/2017

>>133270515
IQ is a stronger predictor of job performance than years of "education". But in the US I'm pretty sure it's illegal to administer IQ tests to potential employees because it's "discriminatory" or some shit.

>>133274684
Med schools are a thing of it's own though. You have just decided to live your life on hard mode. And also probably fell for the meme that there will never be enough doctors.

>>133273710
>is already self-correcting the situation.
Im very skeptical of this. But the older you get the faster the world seems to change and it has been a few years since ive really looked into this...

>>133273529
A 4 year degree does not prove competence.

I dont question anyone wanting a higher degree in any subject, but undergraduate becoming 'the new highschool' is a major problem. The vast majority of people with/getting 4 year degrees with out the intention to go further should be in a trade school or just working out of highschool. It would be better for society, and for themselves.

It is absolutely false that perspective can be taught. You do not become a more aware person going to college, if you are keen on the patterns of the world you are such regardless and your learning of societies machinations is studied by living. The issue is people get exposed to reeducation practices and think their new forced opinions are their own epiphanies. So the lie that they have experienced and grown up through the process perpetuates as they live their drone lives and expect the same of the next generation.

>>133273883
If the only way you have diverse knowledge is because you were forced to meet some breadth requirement you will certainly lack the general knowledge required to actually make having general knowledge useful.

>>133274179
>it's meant to protect the interests of those who have already finished college

This. This is the entire reason. Its a self perpetuating system and all who participate in it willingly are guilty.

>>133275299
I'm doing it because I like it. The money is a bonus but I'm in it for the job. Of course there will eventually be a saturated market. That's where competing comes into play. I'm not an autist, that sets me up far better for a residency than a good chunk of my peers.

>>133275572
Best of luck to you, although I don't think that you should do what you like in short term perspective. I believe your early life is a setup for having a comfortable transition into maturity, where you can afford to dedicate yourself to what you like. I think going for your heart's desire is what brought a severe lack of STEM pros and abundance of liberal arts phds.

>>133275299
Honestly there are not enough doctors where i live. The old ones are dying off and nobody is replacing them.

The only young doctors in town are indian specialists who are doctors because their fathers were doctors and they went to med school and then started practicing alongside their fathers.

All well and good but GPs are basically non existent.

Anyone going to med school please move to california we will give you free almonds ;_;

>>133269482
He's talking about coursera and khanacademy and free coding sites, you fucking idiot. Delete your account.

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>>133275384
I agree that different schools have different standards and degrees are not a sufficient metric by which to judge a candidate. I would take experience in the field with no degree over a degree, all else equal.

>>133275934
STEM is a meme, the push for everyone to get STEM was so companies could have their pick of an over saturated market.

There is honestly nothing wrong with liberal arts if studied at a university thats not overran by communists. The trivium and quadrivium are extremely redpilled.

If you cant play an instrument you are basically an infant.

>>133269091
Only someone who studied total garbage that is never updated and can be read straight out of a book could think this is viable.

sage

You go to college to die at frat party pledge week and to get stds from the campus whores.

>>133276438
traditional classroom education is actually MORE likely to be outdated

but you're also fucking stupid because say, Electrical Engineering fits but sure as hell isn't garbage.

>>133274995
Кpитepий кaчecтвa oбpaзoвaния, кaжyщийcя мнe oбъeктивным - этo вoзмoжнocть, пoлyчaя oбpaзoвaниe, пocтyпить в любyю acпиpaнтypy миpa - или ycтpoитьcя coтpyдникoм в любoй BУЗ.

И кaк минимyм нecкoлькo извecтных мнe BУЗoв дaют этy вoзмoжнocть: мaтeмaтикa, физикa, биoинжeнepия, и, я дyмaю, и дpyгиe.

Also, i am incredibly disappointed nobody in this thread has brought up the paywall between the general population and published research.

Its a slimy business. Much research done, even with public funding, is inaccessible to normal people. You either have to be involved with an academic institution, pay a lot of money, or in some cases both. Thats right, both, they went even let you read unless you are 'one of them'.

This is all part of a gigantic scam involving mutually beneficial collusion and perhaps even legitimate conspiracy.

>>133269091

Why have a doctor look over you if you have WebMD. Or take your car to a mechanic if you have YouTube?

Basically, you're hoping their intuitions about a domain of knowledge will be better than yours and guide you. That's sort of what being an authority on a topic is about. It's not the individual facts, but the way they're put together to come to some greater assessment.

Likewise, you can learn stuff online, but how many rabbit holes will you go down, learning some fringe programming language or some bullshit business acronym that doesn't actually make you more efficient in your craft. So, college should be an institution that helps with that.

At the very least, a college degree is certification that you're not such a fuckup that you can't show up and regurgitate phrases for four or more years.

What's fucked about it is taking kids in their late teens or early twenties and telling them "Okay, trust these people (even though you literally could not know if they're selling you snake oil the whole fucking time) and take a bunch of money out to follow them in the hopes of finding placement in work within their domain of knowledge".

That happened to me. I got a degree from some bullshit school for Computer Science, obvs, but they tried to pad it with management courses and how to draw little diagrams instead of how to write code. But, like, by the time you get into a study, a few years down the road, you're already invested, so they can fuck you like that. It was all never-has-beens too. Some fucking retard that thought he was paramilitary, despite never having served, and indicated he conducted his classroom with that same discipline.

So, yeah, I've been having to self-educate to fill in for their fuckups, but at the end of the day, I do have a piece of paper that says I can park where my car won't get towed and find my way to a room number.

TL;DR You're just getting someone to vouch for you passing their convoluted obstacle course.

>>133269250
In russia:

No job = no degree

Checkmate! Bro-blyat

>>133278049
>Why have a doctor look over you if you have WebMD.

You can unfortunately not write your own prescriptions.
Though doctors do not self-diagnose either. You need an objective view when it comes to that, so its not the same. Also WebMD and other online sources do not give you information in a way conducive to real diagnosis since they would get in trouble if they did.
Machine diagnosis is actually more accurate than human doctor these days. Consider that.

As far as car to a mechanic. The only reason to take your car to a mechanic is if you have not taken it upon yourself to learn how the car works. I dont think anyone advocating 'self learning' is saying a quick google search is all you need to fix your problems, but certainly there are people who learn a lot about cars online and those people, if having an issue, would be fine at attempting to fix it. Its the same with computers, if you grew up trying to get the damn things to work so you could play some game or another you are going to be able to maintain and service them for most issues, things normal people spend hundreds on at geek squad or something.