The Good Guy with a Gun Theory, Debunked. Gun Nuts BTFO

>>133255803
>""""Theory""""
>""""Debunked""""
>(((Stanford)))
Dropped.

So when are police disarming?

>>133255803
I have found the ultimate rhetorical weapon against the liberals concerning the 2cnd amendment; the one part they love to harp on is "well regulated". You can't get into a 2cnd amendment debate without this phrase coming up because liberals love regulations.

So here it is; the term "well regulated" as used in the 2cnd amendment during the 1700s was taken to mean "in proper functioning order", common phrases would be "a well regulated clock keeps time precisely" or "a well regulated knife cuts easily".

Please adopt this into your debate repertoire so that it becomes common knowledge and immunizes us from the liberal's mental poison.

Oh, a liberal at a liberal university wrote an anti-civil liberty piece about guns.
Let me now sit down, so as to recover from my shock and dismay.

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>>133256089
Good point.

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>>133255803

>>133256089
NEVER!
We need highly trained people qualified and approved to carry guns for us.
Only the police can defend us.
Even though the police are racist.
We have to fight the racist cops who are well armed.
But we have to fight them while being unarmed.
Because we can't be armed.
Because we aren't qualified.
We need the government to do this for us.
Even though the government is racist.
We certainly shouldn't defend ourselves, though.
Because we are also racist.
Thank God for the racist government having all the guns.

. . . that's how this all works, right?

>>133256156

That doesn't work on liberals, because anything which knocks holes in their argument is immediately dismissed as false or irrelevant. Ignorance is strength.

>>133255803
>unironically posting a vice link

Where's Norbro when you need him?

>>133255803
Just copy switzerlands gun laws, it's working great and they have more guns per person than you have.

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>implying any of this matters when the sole purpose of the second amendment is to overthrow the government

>here's how you are actually SAFER if you are totally defenceless!
Dropped

>>133255803
>Check out my Vice article, guys. No, seriously!
Stanford: Where niggers get in just for saying #blacklivesmatter.

>>133256792
Even Switzerland is somewhat cucked with their gun laws. Yeah, you can keep a military rifle, but the ammo is kept at a dispensary in town, and god forbid you actually use it in any situation other than a military invasion.

Why does nobody talk about Czech gun laws? From what I've read, they're almost like the US in terms of gun freedom. In some cases, even more free (I.e., seems less of a hassle to get a full-auto in the Czech Republic than in the US)

A bunch of libs got together and came up with a new anti-gun "study!" that proves guns are ebil and NRA is liars and stuff because Professor Shlomo and team said so!!!

>>133256567
nu uh! Not true!

>>133255803
Getting my Concealed Carry by the end of the month! Anyone CC here?

heres a reason to allow gun ownership, 2 in fact. the militia acts of 1792 and 1862

>>133255803
>The army with weapons theory debunked; learn how your nation doesn't really need to be armed and can still defeat invading armies!!

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>>133256815
This.

>>133256567
This is something that can be shown in 1700s literature over and over giving them no leg to stand on. This rhetorical devise will work best if spread like the plague.

>>133255803
>theory
If it happens once, it isn't fucking theoretical, just rare.

OMG lefties btfo free kekistan based pedes

sage in all fields

>>133256617
F

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>>133255803
>vice

>>133255803
Fuck off shill.

>>133257489
>giving away personal info on an anonymous Bangladesh fart collecting message board

>>133256480
I don't understand your question Carlson

>>133255953
Isn't that the college that accepted the muslim faggot who just wrote #blacklivesmatter for his acceptance letter?

>>133256156
You'll be immediately met with the "living document" argument that is pushed hard by liberal professor cucks. If they can't change the law, then they'll just redefine it to be useless. So they'll argue redefining the "well regulated" to mean government regulated is fine because the constitution is a living document.

Tell them that the Constitution is not an organism and that the document is as dead as the paper it's printed on. Then ask them if its cool if we redefine social security to only apply to socialists since its fine to redefine words as convenient. Then ask them why they would rather redefine a law rather than get it changed by the people through legitimate democratic means .

>>133257489
Hello FBI.

>>133255803
We're super concerned with your opinion. Really.

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>>133255803
I'm sure the numbers aren't skewed at all

What if guns were never invented? Or what if they went extinct tomorrow, totally gone from the face of the earth? People will be shooting each other with crossbows and bow+arrow or another type of projectile really.

>>133255953
>>(((Stanford)))
came to post this.

>>133256480
Did anyone ever taught you what a "strawman" was?

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>>133255803
>vice

>>133255803
>37 years of data

LA Riots was 25 years ago. Remember Koreatown.

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>>133256156
That's the Glenn Beck argument as published in his book Arguing with Idiots. It's a great book for /pol/tards and college students for obvious reasons.

>>133256089
>Police
>good guys
Top Kek righ there anon

>>133255803
I replied to increase the post count without bumping

>>133258383
Suggesting that liberals actually thought that much would be giving them too much credit.

>no archive
Norbot where are you?

>>133258917
>>133256480
Did anyone ever taught you what a "generalization" was?

>>133255803
(((vice)))
(((Stanford)))
((()))

"Good guy wth a gun argument" is a non argument. Guns are for killing tyrants in government, everything else is just for fun.

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>>133258559
We purposely trained him wrong, as a joke.

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Ask the people in St Cloud, MN if the good guy with a gun prevents more stabbings.

>>133259191
WHAT A COINCIDENCE

>>133257240
Their gun laws are very good, probably the best in Europe, I actually knew a gunsmith from Czech who barely got a slap on the wrist for storing his "projects" in his university dorm.
Must have been suffering for him when he moved to the UK.

>>133256815
This this this this this
Here in yurostan there is literal speech police
/Thread

>>133259624
I used to watch his television program on Fox. Most of the episodes were really fucking good, if a little batty. But every once in a while his mormonism would come out and he'd go way off the deep end. Beck believes that the Constitution of the United States is a divinely inspired document like the Bible. Imagine that. Imagine interpreting the US Constitution as literally holy. But my favorite was an episode he did on the Pyramids and the Sphinx. It was some /x/ tier mystic conspiracy theory bullshit that I swear I saw on the sci-fi channel in the 1990s. It was fucking hilarious. I only wished that I hadn't quit weed because that would be the best stoner comedy ever.

>>133255803
I stopped a mugging a couple years ago in Seattle with my conceal carry. I guess what I did didn't work as is debunked. Fuggghh

>>133256792
Switzerland is almost entirely white.

>a college that doesn't allow carry on campus does a study on guns
>NOPE NO POSSIBLE BIAS HERE

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>>133255953

>>133255803
Of course they didn't find anything because they are faggoty faggots covered in faggotry

>>133258205
It would be more violent and vile, evil people would be more brazen. Mob violence would rule. The modern firearm is a great force multiplier. That's why mobs run like roaches when confronted with one.

>>133256089
this

>>133258068
I usually go with the "pre existing rights" granted to us by the creator(s). If they are staunchly anti spiritual, they'll brush you off though.

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>>133255803

1. I'm not a good guy.
2. My gun is not for you.
3. My gun is for defending my property and myself and perhaps a free opportunity at target practice if a Muslim or Dindu is up to no good.

I'm not trying to save you, yo girlfriend, yo mama, or some random dude walking down the street. If you want to be saved, the only advice I can give ya is to buy a gun and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

>>133257489
I stabbed a nigher when i was 18 so i cant have a gun. Or a nigger.

>>133255803
Doesn't matter.

>>133256156
Thats not rhetoric thats dialectic and it fails every time.

Instead embrace the words well regulated and tell them every legal gun owner ought to attend biannual drills and have federal authority vested in them. See if they go for it.

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>>133255803
>Vice .com
Stopped reading after that. How much do you guys get paid to shill?

>>133256156
This. Well regulated doesn't mean hindering. It means making it more lethal and effective in its role. Of course that's why there's laws against the misuse of weapons.

>>133261368
Federal authority vested? Fuck that argument.

>>133261727
With authority comes accountabilty. Isnt that what youre after?

>>133255803

The study and the article are absurd sounding because they focus on an illogical premise.

More Guns = Less Crime is what they're attacking, by saying there's similar or maybe even more crime where open carry is legal.

But the point of owning guns isn't to prevent crime from happening in the first place, it is to defend yourself against crime when it does occur. And there are multitudes of accounts of criminals attempting a crime only to be gunned down. That's always been the true point, and Stanford "Affirmative Action" University has not debunked that at all.

>>133255803
>Stanford

into the trash it goes

>>133255803
>stanford
discarded.

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>>133255803
VICE, kek, archive that faggot and kys

>>133261987
There is already accountability. And the feds should have no oversight when it comes to training because they are absolute shit at it.

>>133255803
>The heart of the modern gun rights movement
You can't disprove the second amendment

>modern gun rights movement
We don't need a movement we already have gun rights.

Its almost like mass shootings and such dont happen where people are armed, or even better dont count as mass shootings when gunman is shot before he kills a load people

>>133255803
Both sides are wrong on this issue

>Having more guns doesn't make you safer
>Having less guns doesn't make you safer

It's really has more to do with the mental health of the nation and how many inherently violent people there are in the country.

>>133258038
yep

>>133258559
If anybody knows about idiots, its Glenn Beck.

>>133255803
> "Come on, goyim, give up your leverage against tyranny. It'll be swell, we promise."

Never forget that they will use every tragedy to benefit themselves. They will lie. They will make things up as they go along. Never forget that the necessity of a well armed populus is paramount to a fair society.

>>133262833
Then his book should be like gold to you.

>>133255803
>Breaking News: Left-wing professors at a left-wing college prove that right-wingers are wrong -- Left-wingers finally proved right-wingers wrong by creating a study where they set out to find data that proves right-wingers are wrong.

>>133255803
>affirmative action studentscare too so dumb to find cause for the basis of western civilization
((you))

>>133258383
>>133259062
Did anyone ever taught you what a "english language" was?

Vice is pro slavery, "dur if we don't have trafficking victims who are we gonna fuck?"

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley-breaking/2017/01/12/police-activity-shuts-interstate-10-westbound-near-tonopah/96481168/

This is just one, many more.

>>133255803
Remember, the second amendment does not give you the right to bear arms. The 2nd only prevents government from infringing on your rights, which transcend the constitution.

>>133261272
>that autistic fisher price charging handle
Praying for you anon

>>133261510
>well regulated means more lethal
what, delending on how scary they look guns can kill people twice now?

>>133263563

Exactly. Anti-gun liberal professors debunk theory American needs guns for self protection. LOL. What a joke. Good thing the 2nd amendment doesn't give a shit about their cooked stats.

/thread

You're completely missing the point. The whole point of 2A is "A country needs an army to defend itself, therefore the people should be able to arm themselves in case the government uses the army against them instead."

Standing armies were pretty small back in the 18th century and transporting them from place to place obviously took longer and equipping them was harder, so a nation pretty much needed irregulars who could mostly equip themselves and available to be called up anywhere at any time to compliment your regular forces.

So
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Is basically saying, we need irregulars, aka "the militia" ready to go, so we're not going to stop people from arming themselves. It says nothing about regulating how the people arm themselves, just that a regulated militia itself is a desirable thing to have for state security.

You could argue the rationale is "outdated," but there's a process for repealing amendments and liberals know they could never do it the right way so instead they "interpret" it to mean what they want.

>>133255803
NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE MATH

PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES

FUCKING IDIOT LIBERALS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY SAY "GUN CONTROL" HOW IT REALLY SOUNDS TO EVERYONE ELSE

"I'm taking your gun away because when a bad guy shows up, I want you to just die without a fight"

ITS ABOUT FEELINGS
ITS ABOUT BEING YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL AND NOT A STATISTIC

so take your study and shove it up your ass

>>133255803
>You're obligated to save everyone, if you carry
>YOU HAD A GUN, WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT YOUR LIFE IN DANGER???
>MY LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS, THAT'S WHY I EXPECT YOU TO RISK EVERYTHING FOR A TOTAL STRANGER
Good lord I fucking hate liberals.

>>133267278
Meant for
>>133256156

>>133255803
Don't give a fuck. Still carrying everyday and literally making everyone around me safer. My family (and my wifes family) appreciates having a man around who can handle things when shit goes sideways.

IDGAF what you losers think on the issue.

>>133255803
>theory at the heart of the modern gun-rights movement
SHALL

>>133267958
Same here. If Libtards want to be mugged, killed, beat & raped by Niggers & Sand Niggers that's their problem. It's the main thing that I hate about Liberals, they just won't leave you alone. They try to force their life style on to everyone.

>>133260273
Do... do you not see it as a Holy Document...?

>>133257240
Stop spouting this nonsense about the ammo.

That applied only and ONLY to the goverment issued canned emergency box of ammo for use in an invasion.
They can have ammo at home all they fucking want and full auto is easier to get than in the US.

You're right about the Czechs though, They're based.

>>133256156
>2cnd
>2cnd

What the fuck is wrong with you? How hard is it to type "second"?

>>133255803
How the fuck is this "debunked" when you can find plenty of corroborated stories and cases where it actually happens?

>>133268398
I'm an atheist.

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>>133255803
>vice
aren't they just a gossip rag?

>>133267958
how often do you practice? because if that awnser is less than 1+ hours once a week, I really dont want your brand of safety anywhere near me.

>>133258068
>Then ask them why they would rather redefine a law rather than get it changed by the people through legitimate democratic means .

I think this is the most effective rhetoric. I just say "like it or not, an individual right to firearms is protected by the Constitution. If you don't like this right, then lobby for a constitutional amendment."

>>133269211
I work at a range and I teach people how to shoot guns. I am very good at my job. I shoot much, much more than your average gun owner.

>>133255803
I have never met a Liberal who didn't hate white males and want them to suffer in the cruelest of ways.

These Liberals want to take away every single right that white males have and make sure only the Jew controlled government gets to decide who has rights.

Don't be kind to Liberals. They will never be kind to you unless they are trying to set you up for a big fall.

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>>133255803
YOU SAY 'NO' TO MY AR-15, YOU FUCKIN' PRICK! YOU AIN'T GONNA ABLE TO SAY 'NO' TO ME WHEN I GET TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!

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I don't have to defend the second amendment because it defends itself. It's the Bill of RIGHTS not the Bill of NEEDS. You're correct when you say I don't NEED an AR-15 with a 100 round mag and AP bullets - I have a fucking RIGHT to an AR-15 with a 100 round mag and AP bullets.

>>133255803
(((Stanford)))

Listen faggot, you aren't getting my guns. I don't care what studies cime out or whatever.

>>133255803
Yea, thats why we fight wars with mean faces and verbal insults.

stupid cuck

>>133269859

Woah calm down, wouldn't want you to shoot someone.

>>133256089
Leftist toothy-woothies pounded out in one post.

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>>133256480
Pretty much, if you lump all the liberal viewpoints into one they don't form anything coherent.

Well other than white people are bad.

Libtards telling themselves what they want to hear even if reality contradicts them. I've read lots of stories of dindus pulling robberies and getting whacked in the act. I'd suppose that libtards bawl their eyes out at these stories that have happy endings to normal people.

>>133269312
then I have no issue with you. Ive met too many morons who are over-eager to defend themselves (i.e. kill someone and get away with it) carrying striker fired pistols on condition zero to feel safe around them in public anymore.

>>133255803
>Vice

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>>133269079
Jewish propaganda too.

>>133255803
Is Obama going to apologize to the American taxpayers for all of the police and secret service protection he received?

>>133256156
But then doesn't this mean 17th century firearms as well?

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>>133256089
Never, here's why

>>133270248
Sure, if freedom of speech means only talking and not social media or the internet

retard

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>>133270248
There were 15 shot repeating rifles within the lifespan of the founding fathers, idiot.

37 years wouldn't be enough time to prove or disprove this sort of thing. Also, you would need to actually infuse the people with legal guns to see if this works or not. 50 years could pass and if people didn't adopt the gun culture fully within that time you would need more time.

This experiment only truly starts when you've reached an acceptable level of gun culture.

OH NO!

2ND Amendment is not about your wants

Literally come and take it lol

We call good guys with guns all the time to save us.

>>133255803
Are they going to correct the gun death statistics to not include suicides and law enforcement gun use while they are at it?

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>>133270080
Indeed, I've seen some crazy shit but I work very hard to make gun owners as responsible and proficient as they can be.

>>133255803
>AN ACTUAL VICE LINK

Fucking nigger, I hope you die a horrible death.

>>133270445
Fucking hot

>>133270531
Those good guys with guns(police) have no obligation to protect you.

>>133270028
Who is she

>>133269079
I'm going to get some of that and wreck my wife's shitter

>>133270766
>>133270028

I wanna know toom she's hot

>>133256567
This argument works now:
>>133256815
>You want Trump to have all the guns?

>>133257240
Before I came here from Serbia, they had the best gun laws. Now they're retarded, the restrictions don't even work. Even so, when I was a kid I fired so many AKMs I don't even care anymore, these days I collect black powder pistols. I like it because you have to refill them daily to ensure they will work, so I have an excuse to fire off my four revolvers every night so I can reload. Good target practice, also very cheap, and they're accurate at self defense ranges.

Another thing: I shot a wild pig with one once, and saw the wound. Horrible, horrible trauma. I absolutely rend black powder to people who want to make big headlines when they inevitably kill a nigger looking for loot.

>LOCAL SERBIAN MAN SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK TEEN WITH A BLUNDERBUSS DURING BOTCHED HOME INVASION

>>133270644
godspeed anon, I can tell by that stippling job that you know what you're doing.

>>133259062
Did anybody ever tell you what "Bug killer" was?

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>>133262182
That was a good read.

>>133270421
Well then you cant magically use 17th century meanings to explain away your argument either

>>133261272
Nice toy.

Why do they care.. how fucking stupid do you have to be to realize banning guns doesn't fucking work. Literally look at Mexico.

>>133255803
>vice
>btfo
Erm, that's a low quality b8

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>>133255803
Come get em.

>>133255953
You read some extra lines, my friend, the URL says it all - it's vice

>>133271404
>commie
>owns guns
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Why do you need guns, comrade? YOU DOUBT THE FUCKING STATE?????

>>133255953
This. There's no theory here. Just statistical information being neglected.

>>133257240
Swiss militiamen bring back their service rifle home, with a box of ammo. Leftists have limited that number of rounds to 50 IIRC. However nothing is stopping them from going to a gun shop and privately acquiring as many ammo as they want. They can buy bolt action long guns with a background check, and others guns with a license. Basically they just fill out a paper that they send to the police, and it allows them to buy up to three guns with it. They can get full auto guns, but they have safe storage requirements for those that make it too much of a bother for most people, thus they prefer going for semi-autos. They can't carry, except their service rifle when they go to state endorsed ranges, the gun must have an empty chamber and no magazine inserted. Most of their ranges allow only Swiss service weapons.

Czech republic is far from the US. Just like any EU country, there are many requirements to own a gun. A license for hunting guns, and an authorisation from the police (on top of the license) for semi-autos and handguns. Both need to be renewed regularly, there are yearly mandatory shooting sesssions and psychological evaluations. They can carry though, and they can own full auto guns with a collector's license, although they aren't allowed to fire them (but many still do).

There is no country in Europe that has got gun laws remotely close to US ones, unfortunately.

>>133271523

Because of niggers..........like you

>>133271727
these flagfaggots really have their allegiances all mixed up I see

sad!

>>133269504
>dat A1 clone
say whatever you want about him, but he has good taste

>>133255803

How odd. That is the complete opposite conclusion to the CDC study Obama funded following sandy hook.

>>133271523
THIS

>>133271404
>Empty magazine

KEK - There's no bullets because your State doesn't want to

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>>133255803

A KIKE lying over and over again!

PROVEN!

>>133257240

>but the ammo is kept at a dispensary in town

God have mercy we need to cull you retards.

>>133256567

>Ignorance is strength.

That does seem to be their going tactic.

>>133272168
more like commies can't into food, not even for their guns

>>133256567

They really do want everyone to be a dumb fucking nigger or commie don't they.

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>>133255803
the fewer guns, the more violent crime

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/?Article_ID=17847

>>133255803
Did this 37 years of data include government sanctioned genocides due to disarmament or was this carefully left out of the question?

>>133255803
The "good guy with a gun" theory is not about your random citizen stopping a mass shooter.

It's about your random citizen defending himself from danger. Why don't you incorporate those statistics into the analysis?

>>133255803

>Vice

Stopped reading right there.

Sage goes in all fields.

>>133256156

Tell them that as soon as they get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendments, you and all the people that voted for trump can get rid of the 13th, 14th and 19th.

They won't be able to protest, speak against you, vote against it, or own a gun to fight it.

Make them realise why those amendments exist in the first place.

>>133256156
Mmmm militia regulated by tyrannical government to fight back against said government. Genius.

self defense is the heart of the gun rights movement

>>133272669
this plus clicking the hide button

>>133271995

No, it's ignorant niggers like you why we need em. Youcked fucks do get to tell everyone else what they can and can't do.

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>>133255803
>vice a jewish media organization pushing jewish anti-gun communist propaganda published by jewish professors at Stanford.

Could this source be, biased??

> 1 post by this id

you are all like little babies

>>133269211
>less than 1+ hours once a week

If that's your standard, please be sure to avoid going anyplace with a police force

It's not about other people. It's about a man's right to protect his own life by any means he deems necessary.

>>133273730
>smoking cigarettes
>whore lipstick
Do you even know what degenerate means?

>>133262476
BUt ppl who defend using guns suffer lower injury rates. Ur point is correct if u change it to less crime instead of safer

>>133271377
>Yah but mexico is full of spics. Compare us to european countries.
>Also lets let unlimited illegal spics in.

>>133274150
anon you have me there. Thats an issue for a different thread.
Honestly though do you consider that standard to be unreasonable? at least in an ideal terms without arguements over logistics.
>>133274152
so accidentally shooting a civillian because you didnt check your backdrop is acceptable as long as you get your assailant?

>>133255803
(((Yablon)))

>>133255803

>The Stanford team found precisely the opposite: "Ten years after the adoption of RTC laws," they write, "violent crime is estimated to be 13-15 percent higher than it would have been without the RTC law."
>Stanford team found precisely the opposite...
>violent crime is estimated...

This is just sad.

>a well-known 2004 report from the National Research Council...could not say definitively which way right to carry tilted crime rates
BUT
>The Stanford team suggested that the increased carrying of guns could have contributed to rising crime through several means. As more law-abiding residents arm themselves, so might the criminals in the same communities—rather than the other way around.

How did they get that idea?

>Lawful gun-permit holders, the researchers THEORIZE, could contribute to a street-level arms race by bringing more weapons into public, where they are more likely to be lost or stolen, making their way to the black market. The more that people become aware that their environs are filling with guns, their perceptions of society could become colored by fear and anger, thus leading them to more readily become violent.
What the actual fuck. This isn't even laughable. This is just pathetic. They are just guessing that guns makes people crazy and makes them more prone to acting violently with no evidence to back up that claim whatsoever.

>By national measures, violent crime has fallen dramatically after peaking in the early 1990s, and that drop has largely coincided with the expansion of the freedom to carry concealed guns.
Oh, but that little fact needs to be done away with. Its too bothersome and proves us wrong.

>The problem with drawing a connection between the rise of concealed carry and the drop in the national crime rate...is that crime has not fallen equally in all parts of the country.
Here we go...

cont'd

>>133255803
>>133255803
post methods

>>133256156
Doesn't matter. The 2nd Amendment is very clear. Goyim have been completely dumbed down and now lack basic reading comprehension.

A well-regulated militia (goal), being necessary to the security of a free state (reason for achieving goal), the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (method of achieving goal).

Same sentence structure:
Highly skilled musicians, being necessary to perform fabulous music, the right of the people to own and practice musical instruments shall not be infringed.

Does that mean only highly skilled musicians can own and practice musical instruments? No, it means everyone can own and practice musical instruments so that they might become highly skilled musicians and play fabulous music.

Learn to read stupid goyim.

>>133266457

That's how they come from the factory, so you can blame autistic Serbians for that.

>it's quite comfy

>>133255803
I encourage anyone who doesn't like private gun ownership to work for the repeal of the Second Amendment. If you manage it, good on you.

>>133270644
awesome pistol

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>>133255803

The good guys with guns theory was proven in 1776 faggot.

>>133279092
I'm pro-gun and always have been. Your meme is slightly off though (I understand this is your version of the "rice farmer" meme), but it doesn't really work so well. Mainly because France weren't cowards at the time, were massively powerful and were aiding the Americans. Meanwhile Britain was fighting against both America and India, but India was seen as the more important of the two because spices and trade so more resources went there.
4/10 meme I guess.

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>>133255953
>(((Stanford)))

>>133255803
Literally like 2 months ago there was a case here when civilian shot some drugged gypsy who stole a van and tried to drive it into a bunch of people
Libtards btfo

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>>133279092
>farmers and fishermen with outdated hunting equipment
More like a bunch of rebels with the full support of the french government who trained them ,supplied munitions and loaned them so much money that it caused them to suffer a revolution back home

>>133255803
This requires more study and a publishing of the study team's categorisation methods as well as a reduction in firmness on the conviction of VICE authors when given a piece of ideological jerky to gnaw on.

>>133269025
God is merely something worthy of praise and worship, if one wants to dissect religion down to the linguistic components of its particulars.

Being a literal atheist means nothing is worthy of praise and worship and that is the darkest of nihilisms.

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>>133255803

Is that true, or do you listen to (((vice news)))...

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>>133255803
The government is facist, so everybody should give up their guns. The logic is strong with this one. I know this person cant be an anarchist, but the fact that most anti gun people consider themselves liberal is just as amusing.

>>133255803
> the heart of the modern gun-rights movement
> not the second amendment

say it with me: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>133270445
How are you supposed to use those stocks?

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Even the highly;y biased Huffington Post managed to figure out what the real problem is.

>>133255803
"VICE" directly jewish funded globalist news outlet.

dont ever link me an article from there again

>>133255803
>Good guys with guns don't stop bad guys
Disarm cops immediately. After all, they're more likely to shoot themselves or a loved one than a criminal. Stupid right wingers and their creepy macho fantasies.

>>133256156
This, liberals are using the Harvard Method to change the meaning of the phrase "well regulated."

Thankfully Gorsuch is on the case.

>>133284281
How exactly is this a 'problem'?

>>133256480
This is basically it, the niggers want community policing now, ie the gangs run their neighborhoods without police interference too.

>>133255803

So when people follow the laws and don't have guns when they're not supposed to have guns, the only people with guns end up being bad guys?

The paper the vice article is based on has already been discredited as have two of the authors who have written many other discredited papers...

If you bas your stupid shit on other stupid shit all you end up with is more stupid shit...

>>133256567
>That doesn't work on liberals, because anything which knocks holes in their argument is immediately dismissed as false or irrelevant.
Jesus christ almighty, this.

Some senile old boomer I work with is the democrattiest democrat who ever lived. He has no principles, just whatever the democrats are harping on. I actually specifically mentioned one time to him that "well regulated" in that context essentially meant "well armed" and he accused me of reading fake news.

It is fucking torture dealing with democrats. It's easier to reason with fucking communists.

t. centrist independent

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>>133255803
>Vice
>Stanford
yawn
come and take it

>>133255803
Yeah but I don't care so I'll just keep my guns. Thanks.

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It would be interesting to see if any (((media))) organization would report on the real root of gun crime...
They won't until it gets so bad that the people end up electing another Hitler...

The media kills themselves by false reporting, and then the backlash comes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlU0Xypur4

>>133255803
Pretty sure the heart of the gun-rights movement is "Fuck the government, we're keeping our guns so we can fight back if necessary"

>>133257626
>your debates are not secured by God
>"that they are (1) endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,"

If you think that rights are not secured by a God, then at least don't use the american flag format. It's literally in our constitution

>>133256156
you don't have to debate it with them
because a right is a right, you don't have to justify why you would like to own a firearm. The state however, has to justify why they believe you shouldn't have one. Felons are abrogated of their rights, so it makes sense that they can't own firearms. But the states that make it impossible for a citizen to own a firearm and use it for its inteded purpose, protection, need to be sued and corrected.

>>133255803
>vice
OPINION DISCARDED

>>133286149

They did.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-crime-police-retweet/index.html

>According to FBI statistics, of the 2,451 homicides of black people in 2014, 90% were committed by black people, while 8% of the offenders were white.

He literally memed them into reporting the truth.

>>133286705
Always archive shills
https://archive.is/V8gMv

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>>133259191
oy vey, dis andy seminisms

>>133286759

Good on Norway to do America's job for free.

If good guys with guns stop gun violence why do gun crimes keep happening in areas where we ban good guys from having guns?

Checkmate drumpftards

>>133255803
Who's gonna come and grab guns then? The police they so despise? The military most of which agree with this amendment? ATF? Good luck libs

>>133255953
also the biggest echo of all, (((VICE)))

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>>133286489

>>your debates are not secured by God

My gun rights are protected right here in my Holy Bible....

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>>133285319

>>133258068
But it is a living document, it changes depending on the supreme Court opinions and whims

>>133287274
Ya, as a libertarian myself, I find it hard to believe that everything is just a physics reaction, yet somehow I have 'rights'. You can't have morals without a supernatural power, that's just dumb.
From a tactical position, A right wing government is probably the best one. It will objectively create the most wealth.

>>133286759
Your too good for us Norway-san.

>stanford
>unbias

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Never forget...

>>133286489
They are given by God, but protected by the people and (at one point) the US government.

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A modern example of taking guns away from the people for their own safety and relying on the government to protect them....

When ISIS came the Iraq police ran away and the people where left to be exterminated like sheep going to slaughter...

>>133286489
Life must be really hard when you have the reading comprehension of a third grader.

>>133256480
Best analysis ever

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>>133256156
2cnd-rate argument from a 1rst-rate faggot.

>>133289350
This

>ok hand us yer guns.
>make your way to the mass grave for complementary cookies and punch

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>>133289798
>Best analysis ever

Liberals and cucks eventually have to learn the hard way...

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>>133255803

(((VICE)))

YES, GOYIM, PLEASE TRUST OUR REPORT THAT YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ARMED!!!!

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>>133286705

>8% of the offenders were white
>mfw 99% of them were actually hispanic

>>133289889
He's right though. Congress explained it when they wrote it.

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>>133255803
(((Alex Yablon)))

>>133255803
Having lived through a school shooting several years ago, I can tell you from personal experience that once a threat was identified the next step was to get as many "good guns" onto campus as possible. SWAT, state and local police, basically any law enforcement in the area was told to haul ass over to campus and arm themselves.

99% of these fuckers have never been in a situation like that.

>>133287539

No.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_document

A living document, also known as an evergreen document or dynamic document, is a document that is continually edited and updated.

Even (((wikipedia))) isn't this subverted.

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We do owe Obama some gratitude for fucking up so very badly....

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>>133257626
This.

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>>133290623

And if you want to find one single person responsible for more mass shootings than anyone....

We must take away arms from the jews and faggots that way we can kill them when the muslims take over the west. We dont need oven, we can bury them with lime.

>>133255803
(((a Stanford team)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BmjwSICOo

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>>133290879
Don't ever reply to one of my excellent post again you communist faggot.
Also stick to buying slavshit, don't touch anything made by a capitalist or you are a dirty hypocrite.

When are these studies going to find that the vast majority of gun crimes in America are niggers shooting each other? Until then I'm going to completely ignore their bullshit.

>>133255803
>stanford thinks correlation is causation
lol

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>>133286489
>It's literally in our constitution
...no, no it's not. It was in the Declaration of Independence.
The word God does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Learn something about your nation, faggot.

>>133256156
Just say that the any citizen that wishes to own a firearm must attend mandatory military training in said firearm and then register as a reservist, just like Switzerland.

>>133292166

That is a blatant infringement on the right to bear arms.

And a complete waste of time for everyone involved.

>>133284188
quickly

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>>133291240

I will actually disagree.

We should not take guns away from anyone.

If we had not disarmed the good black people in the 60's, 70's, and 80's we would not have all these fucking niggers now....

>>133269079
Australian Government Television Broadcaster.
ABC-Vice

>>133292345
No it's not, you have a right to bear arms and the government has the responsibility to train you in its use. Essentially you're forcing the government to train potential revolutionaries.

now im 100% for gun rights BUT there is honestly almost no reason to own one. If you have a family its FARRRRR more likely one of your kids will grab it and kill themselves or their dumb fuck kids or your bipolar wife will use it to kill YOU or herself than you will actually get to it in time and unlock it from your gun safe during a break in. Literally better off with a baseball bat and a corner.

if you CC Every damn day. you are more likely to accidental discharge than actually use it to stop a mugger. Literally the only reason to own a gun is if you regularly deal with bad neighborhood/bad people or if you live alone and want to sleep with it next to your bedside. other than that its a big liability

>>133292345
wtf is the deal with the second ammendment right. do people really think that they can stand up to the government with their shitty ass guns that are registered anyway? your governments got drones and tanks you fucking hamburgerniggers

>>133292166
Reframe that, give out free military training and open up the reserves to "militia volunteers" who may continue attending training and qualify to join reservists during field exercises as attached units.

I couldn't give a shit what liberals think. If you're a man and you don't want to defend yourself or your household with a firearm, you're a damn idiot.

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>>133292166
>any citizen that wishes to own a firearm must attend mandatory military training in said firearm

On November 25th, 2016...

American citizens bought more guns for themselves than it would take to arm the entire United States Marine Corps....

Try to comprehend that....

>>133270961
>black pistols
>I recommend them for defense
>looking for loot
Nigger are you a pirate?

>>133292747
Fair enough if that is your situation and how you feel...

>if you CC Every damn day. you are more likely to accidental discharge than actually use it to stop a mugger.

I carry a gun everywhere. Moderns ones are very safe. But I worry more about animals attacks where I am than people. But really, I don't "'worry"' much at all...

You should realize that shit does happen...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders

>>133293244
the Marine corp is small and with the American population is over 300 million, not to mention the same people could buy multiple guns.

>>133292557

The government is welcome to offer training in arms. It arguably has the duty to do so to maintain a well regulated militia.

Compelling it as a requirement to own them is blatantly infringing on the right.

>>133285615
>"well regulated" in that context essentially meant "well armed"

I've never seen that definition. Everything I've seen about the meaning back then is that it means smoothly operating.

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>>133294141

Don't even try to imagine how many guns Americans have....

There are roughly 650 million guns in the world.

Roughly 320 million of those are in the United States.

Roughly 20 million of those guns are US military, police and government owned.

The private citizens in the US own the remaining 300 million guns....

And many other estimates show that America might have as many as 750 million guns in the citizen's hands... :)

A few estimates even approach 1 billion....

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>>133293244
that needs sound, why doesn't that have sound?

>>133292749

There are more than a hundred million gun owners and half a billion unregistered guns in the united states.

We literally outnumber and outgun the top twenty militaries in the world.

It wouldn't even be a contest.

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>>133294592
>A BILLION GUNS IN AMERICA
>I still can't afford one.

>>133294956

You can literally buy a gun for a hundred dollars or less.

Do you browse 4chan at the library?

>>133256156
Doesn't matter. As part of DC v. Heller the Supreme Court already decided that the 2A protects your right to keep and bear arms for any lawful purpose without a connection of any kind to militia. Even then the two clauses in the actual text are not dependent on each other. If anything they ensure your right to be part of a militia and your right to keep and bear arms.

>>133294956
You can get a used one for a decent price. You could probably pick up a 9 ml for $400, or an AR-15 for $500. Use a credit card to buy one, then pay it off over the course of a year. A gun is freedom you can hold in your hand.

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>>133294956

Buy a good name brand used gun. They are far cheaper and modern guns just don't break.

>>133294956
Hi-point is a really nice option for an affordable every man's pistol

>>133292749
>he registers his guns
The fuck is this shit?

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>>133295513

>>133294859
>>>133293244 (You)
> that needs sound, why doesn't that have sound?

Anon delivars!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0sdVMKQReM

The high crime rate in Mexico, detroit and chicago is my argument. Guns lower crime.

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>>133294956

Buy a Maverick 88 (by Mossberg), 12 gauge shotgun with 20 inch barrel and an 8 round tube.

You can get one for around $200. Its a good no frills pump shotgun. Easy to maintain, you can hunt anything with it and in the event of riots no one is going to want to fuck with you.

Its the best poorfag gun on the market.

>>133288083

Hitler loosened gun control regulations, though. He wanted MORE guns in German hands so they would shoot them at Poles and Jews.

>>133255803
>vice
>linking directly

yall seriously arent even trying anymore

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>>133296127
>Hitler loosened gun control regulations, though. He wanted MORE guns in German hands so they would shoot them at Poles and Jews.

Yes.

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>>133296127

>>133255803
>vice
Not reading without an archive.

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>>133296784
>>133296127

>>133261368
Fuck you.

>>133271260
Yes he can and it's not magical, it's logical.

>>133294862
yeah have fun organizing that amount of people without the technology or the help of the internet that your government clearly controls. having all those weapons don't mean shit if you can't centralize your operations and carry shit out as a team. no matter what i guarantee you the government will make a fool of those who rise up.

Doesn't matter it there's no justification based on empirical data. It's on the constitution. Either amend it or STFU.

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>>133294592
Shit I only have 7. Need to go shopping.

>>133293244
>American citizens bought more guns for themselves than it would take to arm the entire United States Marine Corps....
>Try to comprehend that....
It's real fucking easy to comprehend
There are 320,000,000 Americans
The Marine Corp is a tiny tiny segment of that

>>133255803
This is so precious.

OP forgot Mao's history.

You're NOT getting our guns.

>>133255803
Sorry, there is a 97% consensus it is true.
You automatically lose. :-(

Who are they trying to convince? This only makes gun owners hate them more and less likely to support them. Gun haters are already in agreement.

>>133255803
Did the Stanford team find basis for the theory that the 2ND FUCKING AMENDMENT EXISTS

>>133256089
Most importantly when are the. Bad guys disarming?

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As a good black liberal Democrat...

Oh fuck.... Never mind...

Since assault weapons are such a huge problem in america why don't we do this instead!

The fingerprinting smart guns are a good first step, but they still leave open a lot of room for abusive by an authorized user. I propose that guns should not only need biometric unlocks, but also that the user should need to call up 911 and have the operator remotely unlock the gun for use it they concur the user is in a legimate life threatening situation. Also, mandating cameras attached to all weapons, especially concealed carry ones, which record and transmit to a cloud storage.

Guns should also have a feature whereby they can only fire if they are pressed against the target. This will prevent mentally unstable men from killing children at long range.

Magazine limits are common sense, but also the first round loaded should be required to be a warning foam round. The foam rounds used by police forces are effective, but still require training to use safely, so the mandatory civilian foam rounds should be much less dense, and not designed to inflict pain, but to make sure an attacker 100% knows there is a gun present and give them a chance to flee- thus reducing overall gun deaths.

We should should also license free thought and speech. We can control the spread of bad ideas by putting biometric scanners on all computers, cell phones, video game consoles so that certain ideologies cant spread.

Obviously dangerous speech and ideas are easily concealed in various ways, so all information about our populace will be public record and searchable.

All people should have an override put into their voice box so that they can have their voices muted if they start saying something potentially hurtful or expressing dangerous ideas.

Help me come up with some progressive ideas that will help me target the greatest killer of this or any other century. I know with some time we can stamp out dangerous free speech and ideas

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>1 post by this ID

Good job taking the bait retards.

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>>133298398

Ballistics already use micostamps to see who did it.

>>133297467

When you have a numerical advantage like that, you really don't need organization.

God have mercy you are three wars behind.

Did you have a bernie sign in your front yard? Do you like your neighbors? Do you think they like you?

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>>133298398

>look mom, I'm shitposting

>>133297467

:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GVL3xN4KI

>>133299131
what the fuck are you talking about, 300 million barely educated fuckwits running around without any direction is a surefire way of getting gunned down. numerical advantage means shit in the real world, you should know that after you got your ass handed to you sideways by the congs. they organized, fought with the terrain on their side and demolished you fucks.

No i did not have bernie signs in my front yard, mostly because i'm not american. i'm amazed how much the average american will defend this shit when the rest of the world sees it for the idiocy it is.

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>>133299944
>i'm not american.