China to ban VPNs, fully closing internet

haha one of my friends went to teacha da engrish in China, gonna get screwed if they ban VPN's

oh well sux2bher

>>133201340
>Does the coming VPN ban fully protect China from western degeneracy and SJW?
China is plenty degenerate without the help of the west or the internet.

>>133201660
Lack of empathy or morality isn't "degeneracy"

Degeneracy is society committing ritual suicide aka Europe/USA.

You are confusing the two things.

Maybe it'll end shareblue and half of Twitter?

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>>133201916
Companies can still use VPN, this is for personal usage.

>>133201837
>Lack of empathy or morality isn't "degeneracy"
de·gen·er·ate
adjective
adjective: degenerate
dəˈjen(ə)rət/

1.
having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.

>>133202029
Except China is on the ascendancy. You could call it degeneracy if it was still the cultural revolution.

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>>133201340
>>133201433
>>133201837

>>133202117
Call me when they ascend above the smog level.

>>133201340
How about a source, goof?

>>133202664
https://www.cnet.com/news/chinas-great-firewall-may-squash-vpn-workarounds-by-feb-1/

will it really work though? there should be ways to get around it.

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>>133201340
Oh no how is ADVChina still going to make videos ;_;

Presumably that's going to make international companies and expat workers abandon China if only because it's near impossible to get anything done these days with most of the net blocked. Plus it'll make China globally uncompetitive, although they may not care at this point.

>>133202474
kek

>>133205905
china really needs to stop with their blocking... the amount of analysis they do on their incoming and outcoming traffic and all the firewall rules pretty much makes their network shit... i remember some chinese network engineer told me that china, at least a year ago, had 4 main firewall systems and connections must travel through that system... what if we anons take it down... fuck the prc!

fuck yeah multiple internets is the future. normies get out.

Curious whether Tor is blockable in China?

>>133203590
wait... how are u posting from China?

>>133206144
it is... but i think certain bridges manage to get through

>>133201340
And there many on /pol/ who say China is the Besht country in world.
" See China? Communism really works!!. Death to American capitalists fascists!! "

>>133205905

China only cares about propping up local companies anyway. They only want international companies to come there so they bring their IP over for locals to steal.

As long as they control so much of the world's manufacturing and have the capacity to bootleg literally everything Chinese companies will continue to be able to produce knock-off shit in mass quantities.

actually, now that i just looked at tor's page... aparently the meek bridge works well... idk, someone who knows someone in commieland can ask them to try it out

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>>133205905
>Plus it'll make China globally uncompetitive

China is large enough to be its own market, much like Japan.

>>133206562
Fuck this... correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't a company in the US manage the distribution of the world's IPs? Doesn't that give them the potential ability to cut portions of the world off from the internet? If they can, then they should just cut off china's fuckin internet

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>>133202443
Reddit spacing is a space between meme arrow text and normal text. It is because when you try to meme arrow on reddit you always have to add two line breaks to post normal text under it. Now you know.

They'll still leave the expats alone since those of us working in corporate settings all need to use a VPN to maintain productivity. All this bullshit means is less bitchy chinks next time someone does something bad to one of them abroad. Hopefully abuse of chinks abroad goes up.

>>133206677
yea, and out of all its tech companies, 99% are shit. Huawei is like the only good one... half the companies, like xiaomi, are just bootleg apple shit, baidu shittier than any american search engine, wechat is autistic, and that chinese amazon company sells shit worse than ebay

>>133206677
China's economy mostly depends on producing cheap garbage in slave labor tier conditions.

>>133201837
>degeneracy is the things i don't like
>the things i like aren't degenerate

>>133206677

all the dollar a day peasants can't afford the shit china makes

Makes sense. They don't want their population to use other countries websites like Facebook, Twitter etc
That way they'll keep their internet users from spending money outside of China.

>>133201340
Can they still use tor?

>>133201340
Nice. They have also cracked down on porn and faggotry just recently.

>>133206838
> Huawei not a PLA covert op
Don't be a fool. Never trust Chinese tech.

>>133206562
There isn't much margin in cheap knockoffs. China needs to earn foreign reserves if only to buy oil and other needed minerals, and to keep raising the living standard if only to keep the people from revolting.

If Chinese companies and workers can't compete globally because they're blocked off from the internet then things will definitely suffer economically. It's short term stability (sheltering people from outside news/influence) vs long term economic stability, basically)

>>133206838
Xiaomi is pretty good if you don't get fakes. Alibaba/AliExpress is fucking amazing.

>>133206477
I hear you guys are messing with them in your northern region? Fuck them in the ass if they come for war, okay?

Also, nuke pak while you're at it

Use shadowsocks

>>133201340
Who needs them?
Also why is that girl's face a different color from the rest of her head?

they really are trying hard to fight off the inevitable chinese revolution

>>133211569

It's called makeup. You know, japanese people have been using that shit for a long ass time in kabuki theater.

>>133201340

Did /pol/ drink retard juice today? More than normal?

>>133206773
>>>/r/eddit

>>133201340
china apparently can't into tunnelling

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>>133202474
kek9th pbp

>>133206707
That's not how the internet works

>>133201433
a friend of mine just got out of there
I think hearing this shit might be coming helped

>>133201340
Thank God, maybe my fucking private wow servers won't be flooded by the scum

>>133206889
that was 5 years ago

>>133214335
Yeah, now they're onto building shitty replicas of European cities that no one lives in. Or are they on to something else now?

>>133201340
>ban vpns
>people use vpns anyways because that's not how technology works you fucking retard
Chinese education

>>133208423
the china market is huge, due to the population. they need to get their infrastructure up, then they can weather international price volatility with ersatz goods.
in theory anyway

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>>133214335
It started further back than then!

>>133206812
YES.
50 cent army need to be done.

>>133214430
titanic theme parks 300 miles from the ocean?

>>133214432
This, they'd constantly have to update their list of vpn servers which sounds pretty impossible.

But they can ban around 80%

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They should first ban chink drivers

>>133215972
did he died?

>>133201340
It makes sense to ban ZOG internet in your country, though.

Do you really want Facebook, Google, and Pornhub corrupting your people?

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>>133216255

Probably

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Lol

>>133206707
Obama gave that shit away, remember?

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>>133201433
I think we've known for a long time how terrible it is when outsiders do business with Chinese.

>>133201340

Why is that bitch painted white?

Zoom to face and see line between face, neck & ear

>>133206773
no you dumbass, to start a new line on reddit you have to also add 2 breaks, otherwise it just goes into 1 line, there are no meme arrows required

>>133206071
>what if we anons take it down
yeah ok kiddo

OK, so firstly this is unlikely to really happen, this kind of news come up all the time and is never implemented.
This article seems more specific than most of them, so they may attempt a block of some kind.

In terms of technical feasibility of that, They can absolutely block OpenVPN (the majority of vpns) at any point without so much as a problem. They can do that right now. The GFW performs deep packet inspection on all connections leaving the country, identifying encrypted/unreadable streams.

All encrypted connections suspected of being OVPN are followed up by the GFW attempting to connect to the server with the OVPN protocol, if it replies back the IP immediately flagged and added to the throttle/block list.

As it stands, I suspect they can block shadow socks with some reliability, but I don't think they have it down well enough to implement large scale without risking wholesale blocking of legit websites and IPs. I think currently they are throttling potential shadow socks connections, which they identify based on usage patterns, and will then kill any that goes above 100KBs before 1am~ish.

Due to shadow socks nature, that doesn't really stop it from being useful and hinder browsing too much, but you do need multiple private server to really get going gud.

>>133206071

The GFW is not any single set up, it is the responsibility of local ISP to maintain and keep it up to date. I think the hardware and software they use is probably standardized to a certain point, but the actual management certainly in part is done at the local level.

They can just maintain whitelist of domains and block everything else. Registered businesses have the right to apply for inclusion of their own infrastructure to the white list. Problem solved.

>>133216407
>when an entire container storage blows up to scare away foreigners

>>133220366

They could do this and it would be very effective, but I honestly think at that point it would prompt a much bigger response from the locals.

A lot of the locals view the whole GFW thing as acceptable to a point, but if it starts fucking with their ability to make money (any it will), they will go ape shit.

>>133201340
Who is this qt

>>133213906
I am not sure if you can use TOR in China, I don't think they have nodes there.

>>133216407
what was that?, factory exploding?

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>>133201340
>China's Great Firewall may squash VPN workarounds by Feb. 1
They can't
Simply without vpn you can't conect to western server, work remotly, work on server. All corporate offices have vpn for remote workres.

>>133220596

You have to use the bridges as anon mentioned, which is essentially a semi-private node.

It is slow as a hell though, even more so than normal for TOR, and I am pretty sure they can block it based on usage stats alone, let alone deep packet inspection.

>>133220680
it was the Tianjin explosions, container storage facility blew up killing 173 officially but likely higher in reality due to China's censorship

>>133220699

Corporate offices have the "option" to buy a special VPN just for their use, it is likely that if the Chinese gov went full blocking on VPNs, they would also force these offical VPNs on the companies or invite them to leave (taking nothing with them).

>>133216627
90% of chinas trading partners are slavs, niggers and various other shitskin third world regions

yes plz

>>133220123
>implying they have the capability to block paid VPNs

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>tfw they're only doing it so their people will stop looking up how shitty their government was/is

>tfw they had already changed what their people see when they look up Tienanmen square

>>133220123
Quality post. I wasn't aware that GFW can do that kind of actions automagically.

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>>133220872
And everyone in east Asia and America too.

>>133221272

I mean, they categorically do if they are based on the OpenVPN protocol, that is frankly a trivial thing to do and an unwrapped OpenVPN session won't even connect most ,if not all, of the time.

Most Paid VPNs use OpenVPN running through either SSH or TLS, but both of these have draw backs. SSH is heavily slowed down and throttled at all times, and any particularly long lived (15m-45m+) TLS session is interrupted and the server IP added to the "fuck you" list.

Block paid VPNs is even easier than blocking free personal connections set up by individuals as the additional connections from other users helps them quicker identify servers to block.

>>133206677
Lol this is entirely untrue. China is large in population and geography but this doesn't not equal being large in sustainable internal capital flow, internal infrastructure, or varied balanced markets. China's economy is totally dependent on the trade markets of the west.

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>>133221727
>china
>no internal market
Lol

>>133221544

I doubt there is a country in the world, including the US, that can field a more advanced censorship system than the GFW.

From a technical perspective it is a thing of beauty, and if the rumors are to be believed heavily uses machine learning and AI on their deep packet inspection data to identify users and wall jumping of all kind.

>>133201340
>this is what socialism looks like

>>133221918

The majority of those people moving to cities and towns will be working low level factory or construction jobs, they will be more engaged in the economy in general then in their rural communities, but the Chinese government is smart enough to know they need to slowly turn those people in to a middle class, and that until they do they have to rely on exporting.

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>>133222201
Except the Chinese consumer market is one of the largest profit generators for both domestic and foreign companies in china today.

It is worth literally trillions.

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>>133222670

>>133222201
Hey chinanon, which city do you live in? tell us something about your city...

We see on TV about your cities having excellent infrastructure, super fast trains...it seems almost like a first world country. Are there garbage dumps on the streets in your cities, like in India?

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>>133222753
China is like India if it was twice as rich and run by strongman like Modi for decades.

>>133222920
In India, it is common to have garbage dumps even in Tier I cities. Are there garbage dumps in your cities too?

>>133223082
I mean like not just on the city outskirts or something, like a designated area (inb4), but like literally on the streets and the roadside.

>>133206071
>guys lets DDoS China
I admire your ambition. Doing it on the holiday when there's like a billion travelling at once would be amazing too.

>>133222670

I agree with you that given time, China will be in a position to support a lot more of the countries population from internal economic activity, but this is many years away.

1500USD/Mo is the high end for a well qualified (Top tier uni education) white collar worker in a city like Shanghai, in a more internal city like Wuhan it is somewhere like 1000USD.

Many many of these people save as much as possible for the chance to buy a house later down the line, because if they don't they won't get married. This is just white collar workers, migrate laborers make a whole lot less.

>>133205797

he's moving to the US I think

>>133206144
I'm sure anything will work if you know what your doing/using the right programs etc.

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>>133206773

It also causes the eyes to focus on the content of the text rather than the image.

When split in this manner, each line is subconsciously addressed as its own subject.

Which leads to greater retention of subject matter.

http://blog.zorinaq.com/my-experience-with-the-great-firewall-of-china/
tl;dr: GFW uses machine learning and even does TLS side channel attacks to discover "illegal" traffic.
Secure proxy with additional custom script solution works though.

>>133222753

Currently living in south china in the GZ-SZ-HK area, not going to be more specific because I know of a few people who could probably ID me from this thread if I did.

We have dumps in Teir 1 cities too, I live in a gated community, and there is a dumping area (not huge, basically just a medium pile) about 5 minutes outside.

I've no idea about India, but friends who have been to both say China is much much cleaner.

As for infrastructure that is pretty great, subways go everywhere in the cities and have direct links to high speed rail so you can get to HK in like 45 mins, Wuhan in like 4 hours, and Beijing in 8. Cost to go to Wuhan is about 400rmb.

In Tier 1 cities, China is very first world in many aspects and a great place to live if you can put up with the shit, in lower tier cities things become "developing" pretty quickly.

>>133201340
>China to ban VPNs
Nah, they won't. They will probably limit down to VPNs that pay the government fees under the table and people will have to pay for those VPNs. Get the idea? A government controlled VPN system. More profit.

>>133223765
yeah but they are designated (inb4) garbage dumping areas right? Surely you wont have a random pile of garbage just by the road side?

I dont think there is any comparison between indian and china. People keep going like
>muh human rights
>muh democracy,
but it means little to someone who doesn't have a toilet to shit in (literally).

>>133223765
can't you already be ID'd by correlating IP logs to 4chan with your post timestamps?

>>133224262

Some are socially designated, some are officially designated. I have a good friend whose hometown, after several rivers dried up from the three gorge damn work, started using one of the riverbeds as their trash burning spot. They would throw everything on it, florescent lights, plastics of all kind, wood, metal etc. The town is much cleaner now, but I am pretty sure they all have super cancer, but this is a rural place so no one gives a fuck.

>>133223082
There's still plenty of garbage around in China. In "tier 3 to 1" cities they have armies of street sweepers to clean though. Outside of cities, it is quickly apparent china is still developing world.

It's a question of software vs hardware. Hardware grows very fast (infrastructure), but software (human behaviours) takes generations to change.

For example, a village I lived in for a summer was like 10 hours by train + 2 hours by van + 1 hour 3-man motorcycle ride in Chinese traffic from nearest city.

They had cows share toilet stalls with people. That was 10 years ago though.

>>133224275

I am not using a vpn to post to 4chan, everything I have said is fully readable to the government without correlating shit.

I am not too worried though, I am the ideal foreigner for china. I work outside of china bringing foreigner money in, which I liberally spend

I know I've spent more in the last 5 years here than a whole school of English teachers spend in their life time, that is for sure.

I also am often supportive of many of the Chinese gov actions, they put their people first and I think that is what every government should do.

All in all, I am not worried about uncle xi coming down and taking my organs because I am probably more useful to them alive at this point (if you can say I am useful at all).

>>133224625

10 years is a long long looooong ass time in china, and anyone I know who was around that long ago will tell you just how different everything is.

I still agree with your point though, there is still a lot of social catching up to do for many Chinese, but the younger generation is working hard on that.

>>133224905
you connect to 4chan using plain http?

>>133224570
>>133224625
What;s the opinion of india in china and hongkong?

in india, china is treated with a mixture of hatred and jealousy. but almost everyone acknowledges that there's no comparison in the end really...

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And all the hype you hear in the western mainstream media about beijing pollution, see pic related. Delhi has always been at least twice as polluted as beijing.

>>133201340
It's probably just hype over the anniversary of Hong Kong handover. Prc wants to be big stronk nation.

>>133225060
Yes, I use proxy for captcha but otherwise 4chan is entirely unblocked.

>>133225090
Can't speak too much for HK as I have spent much less time with locals there, but in the mainland I would say the view on india is pretty much "It's dirty, shitty, smelly, and full of indians (self-evidently a bad thing), and you will get raped if you go there".

I have a friend who went to work for Oppo in india doing sales or some shit, and her family almost disowned her at the idea.

what all you laowais dont understand is that the government already own the vpn companies, in this way they fund their secret projects like how to succesfully make buildings from flour

>>133225430
I didn't mean are you accessing 4chan over a proxy, I meant are you using http or https?

>>133225609

I know, that is why the first word of my sentence was "yes". Gotta work on your reading comprehension pengyou.

To be clear, I use http for /pol/ because I am the government here don't give a fuck.

>>133225861

I and the government*

>>133225861
interesting, thanks for all the info you've posted here

Any codefags know a possible way around this?

>>133201340
The beginning of the end for shillcoins

>>133226037

Private shadowsocks servers honest on someone like linode will do it. Not too hard to set up and you can find some guides to explain it.

>>133225090
My cousin went there before. Your food is not good for our stomaches. We are too weak to your spices (and germs maybe). Indian immune system is strong, lol.

Having to drink bottled water and even that gives us the shits.

Otherwise China doesn't think much of India. Perhaps it could be said India thinks of China like China thinks of America, as something to surpass.

>>133206838
C'mon Xiaomi is bretty nice.

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>>133215972
No reaction from either driver. What the fuck is that shit, did they malfunction? Truck driver didn't stop to fix what he could clearly see in his door mirror and guy on the 2 wheeler just calmly drives right into it.

>>133206838
>wechat is autistic
What does that even mean? It's useful, and no one is forcing you to update your minutes photos with pictures of food.

>>133201340
No it'll turn into a massive inbred shithole now

>>133201340
So no more yellow monkeys on our internet? whew

>>133201340
>Feb 1
Ok goys, synchronize watches. This is DDoS Day!

>>133227459
>ddos china
>the largest intranet in the world with more users than everyone else.

Pissing in an ocean of piss, m8. I like to see you try, though.

>>133227459

Just FYI, for people suggesting this idea. It is stupid, it is very stupid, the GFW has the ability to turn all Chinese connections into a DDoS bot, and they will fuck you back with a much bigger dick.

>>133206677
China is an export economy. It would suffer greatly without the west.

>>133227764
Companies like Apple makes the most money from China than anywhere else.

>>133201340
I'm pretty sure China can't recognize VPN traffic masked by obfsproxy.

>>133201340
>China to ban VPNs

How the fuck does that work?

No more business networks or remote access?

WTF?

>>133201340
>China to ban VPNs

O look a VPN running over port 80.

China BTFO

>>133228806

obfsproxy paired with OpenVPN is identified based on connection statistics such as the total time connected vs number of "readable" connections & a whole bunch of other stuff.

If you use OpenVPN then generally it means everything will run through it, which means if you have a single long lived connection and no other readable
connections, these GFW can assume you are currently running a VPN and block it.

>>133229219
>what is DPI?
GFW is not your primitive set of rules firewall

>>133229468

Anyone who says it isn't possible is retarded, as I have tried to explain higher in the thread, let the potato eater think he is smarter Russia bro.

Finally be chink free vanilla wow servers ty kek

>>133206892
degeneracy comes from degenerate. Exactly how are the conditions in China degenerating?

>>133205797
Man, love me some ADVChina. Winston is such an autist and I love it.

>>133225196
Don't worry
Their (((guns))) will aim at you soon, since your muslim gassing, aka their new pets is starting to be known

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Really hope so. Bettendorf's life revolves around Reddit, 4chan, Youtube, Instagram etc.. He needs access to these sites so he can spread his anti-white male garbage around.

>>133226970
i swear china is a human simulation experiment gone wrong and they are all faulty clones.

>>133205797

Who cares. Winston went from making cool videos to being an e begging douche. Matt is a cool guy, glad he is leaving that shithole country.

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>>133230528
Winston is a closet conservative who hates niggers. Matt is a liberal and always talks shit about Alabama rednecks. He would be the guy on the left in this Bettendorf's comic.

>>133230822

Well, there is no doubt Winston hates niggers, he grew up in a South Africa. I was actually a very early subscriber to his channel. He did a lot of great village crawls, really gave people the chance to see parts of China and aspects of the country. Was just a regular guy making his way through life and it was interesting. Then at some point he decided to take on this douchey "international man of mystery" persona and it all went downhill. He acts too cool for school and shit, but it is so transparent.