Is this what Christfags actually believe?

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>>133183136
No.

But atheists do mostly live with Christian presuppositions about reality.

>>133183368
fuck me that's cringe

>>133183368

You know most atheists don't live in Christian-majority countries, right?

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>>133183136
Proof that people who like grass types are fags.

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>>133183601
I don't agree that that is true, but in any case most atheists live in countries where Christianity developed it's modern assumptions about morality, reality, and the nature of human beings.

>>133183136

You can't deny that atheists are angry against God while they don't believe in his existence.

>>133183136

I don't believe in a man in the sky that thinks and makes decisions but I believe in the stoics "Logos", a natural order to things which keeps life harmonious, just, and sustainable. Halfway between stagnation and chaos

>>133183136
Why would you be mad at someone you don't believe exists?

>>133183836

They're basically angry at True Believers that keep trying to shove their bullshit down your throat even after a polite, "No thanks, I'm not interested." Politeness doesn't work with religious fucktards.

Eastern orthodox catholics like pope? From rome? Don't think so

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why are atheist niggers obsessed with richard?

>>133183136
they're so arrogant thinking they can understand everything through science and rationale as if the scientific method can be used for the human experience... so cute

>>133183865

And what do you think about the Logos when Aristotle says that God is the thought of the thought ? What would he think about Christianism which says that God created world with his Word ?

>>133184134

I have never heard of God of all my life where I live, however everyone around me hates him.

>>133183817

>I don't agree that that is true

It's not a matter of opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion

>atheists live in countries where Christianity developed it's modern assumptions about morality, reality, and the nature of human beings.

Even if that were true, what's your point?

>>133183136

Some 'atheists' really just feel angered at a 'nonexistent' God. Not the majority of them, but the edgy teens, rebelling against something are.

>>133183136
checkmate atheists

>>133183136
>"a russian astronaut and a russian brain surgeon were once discussing religion. the brain surgeon was a christian but the astronaut was not. the astronaut said, 'I've been out in space many times but i've never seen a god or angels.' and the brain surgeon said, 'and i've operated on many clever brains but i've never seen a single thought.'"
what's it going to take for atheists to understand they're being closed minded and rebelling? like thoughts, god isn't something that can be broken down, meaning it's not based on rationale and can't be understood thru science. deal with it faggot

>>133183836

>You can't deny that atheists are angry against God

Are you angry at Vishnu and Odin and Joseph Smith?

>>133183136
Claiming that all atheists believe in God and are mad at him is retarded but, to be fair, most atheists really are just mad at God and are 'revolting' against him because they don't like the idea of doing something bad and would rather pretend they are the pinaccle of virtue. This is why most atheists are leftists.

>>133183136
kek, I've met several that legitimately do. I think it has to do with their inability to comprehend an existence where a tribal belief in magic simply isn't a requirement. Maybe it's a cognitive dissonance thing.

>>133185411

No.

>>133185411
>not being angry at Joseph Smith

smdh familia

>>133183136
He's right though, most "atheists" are just mad at God. Because God says they shouldn't be a faggot, or some other kind of degenerate, and these people don't want to give up their selfish, hedonistic lifestyles and turn their lives over to Christ. Also notice how almost all atheists have major problems with Christianity but never with any other religions especially not Islam

>>133185387
>what's it going to take for atheists to understand they're being closed minded and rebelling?

Literally no one in my family is religious, and there was never a pressure from the rest of society. The fact that I've never strayed from atheism is the most conformist path I could've taken.

>like thoughts, god isn't something that can be broken down

Lmfao

>>133185452
This is definitely a stretch but I'm sure SOME do believe it. Most? No way. Why waste the effort? They're just degenerates for the sake of hedonism.

>>133185668

Then why would atheists have to be "angry at God"?

>>133185452
>they don't like the idea of doing something bad and would rather pretend they are the pinaccle of virtue

You're describing believing in God as "doing something bad"? Did you make a typo or something?

>>133185976

Because deep inside they know that Abraham's God exists.

>>133185888
>my family represents all of society
ok
>lmfao
give me a more nothing response next time thx

>>133185876
>almost all atheists have major problems with Christianity but never with any other religions especially not Islam

This is what Christcucks actually believe.

>>133185888
>ready to argue before even finishing reading my post
>"uhh im not closed minded"
hahah buddy... i got some bad news for ya

>>133186258
>my family represents all of society

I didn't even remotely imply that.

>give me a more nothing response next time thx

What you said was too retarded to warrant a response.

>>133185976
cause he made you a literal faggot why else

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>>133186420
well i said rebelling against society and you brought up your stupid ass family.
that's because you can't comprehend what i said because you've never thought about it because like i said, you're mad he made you a faggot

>>133185112
That's because everyone around you prays to Allah, frenchie.

>>133184667
no they just don't believe a book written thousands of years a go by cult leaders can give an understanding of "everything" or necessarily anything. Believing in something because someone tells you to is simply hard for atheists to do.

>>133183136
luke 17:21

>>133185920
I say most because it is a fact that most atheists are leftists.

>>133186143
I mean that they don't like the idea of doing evil according to some standard, not that believing in god is bad. They are hedonists that want to do whatever they want but are afraid of rejection so they pre-emptively attack anyone who may invalidate them by playing the moral high ground game. This is why moral relativism is so strong in the left. 'You are evil for judging me', 'there's no objective truth', are statements meant to vilify those who would dare to disapprove you. Of course leftists hate God.

>>133186826
wow. this hurt my head. go back to plebbit and converse w others about rick & morty you literal retard

>>133186663

How would I be "rebelling" if I've BEEN AN ATHEIST MY ENTIRE LIFE YOU FUCKING RETARD, THERE WAS NOTHING TO REBEL AGAINST

>>133186826
pls tell me o so rational one, where has science replaced christianity and improved livelihood in regards to the human experience? has it not lead to hedonism and nihlism?

>>133185290
I guess that makes sense in a way: religion is just a ancient way of defining, maintaining, spreading a culture. Rebellious teens would naturally be inclined to fell oppressed by a culture that is being pushed on them. Especially if the pressure to submit to that culture is strong.

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>>133183136
But he is right, atheists talk far too much about God even though they think he doesn't exists, it's really autistic, also they are pathetic

>>133187392

Christians should stop talking about Islam, then.

>>133187117
dude... there's no way you're this dumb

>>133185387
how do you know? did you just make that up?

>>133187454
We do talk about them because they're evil faggot, their beliefs are really violent and that should not be allowed

>>133187117
>"I've been this way my whole life im not closed minded i swear!!!!"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>133186949
>I say most because it is a fact that most atheists are leftists.

No, you said "most atheists really are just mad at God."

>>133187524
make what up? the point is is that god is something deeper than something you can prove with physical evidence. why don't you think for more than 5 sec

>>133187586

You said people shouldn't talk about something if they don't believe in it.

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>>133183817
Fuck this cringey little faggot for even invoking Penn Jillette. He may be an Atheist but goddammit he's a good man and doesn't feel the need to foist his beliefs on everyone else like he's a goddamn zealot.

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>>133187726
Read this again autist
>>133187392

I never said anything like that, now burn your fedora and stop being edgy

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>>133187461

You only live on Earth because you hate Mars. You're rebelling against Mars. Mandarin Chinese is the most spoken language. You only speak English because you're rebelling against the Chinese.

>>133187847
>>You said people shouldn't talk about something if they don't believe in it.
>I never said anything like that

>atheists talk far too much about God even though they think he doesn't exists

It's exactly what you said.

>>133183136
no

>>133188085

I pity you, mate. I hope one day you will prefer searching the truth than the contradiction.

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>>133187392
Religion plays a major factor in the masses lives and often it tries to convert people into its system of belief, essentially subverting their own epistemology. It would be obscene not to discuss it.

>>133187632
I equate atheist leftim to being mad at God since leftism requires a lack of logic, logic that is required to refute the existance of God.

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>>133188085
Not at all you delusional faggot, where did I even imply that people shouldn't talk about something if they don't believe it, I just said that it is really autistic how you guys obsess so much about it, dumb fuck, how can you even think you're intelligent when you fail to understand a simple post.

>>133188258
Tell me a fucking downside of believing in God and following the rules that were stated on the bible

Threads like these have convinced me that atheist, are the most obnoxiously evangelizing religious group in the world.

>>133184443
The God Delusion turned me into an athiest. That being said, I understand that religion is necessary for most people because it guides their moral compass.

>>133183136
Not sure. I do know the majority of white Muslim previously identified as atheist. Enjoy your self loathing.

>>133186826
You know damn well these atheists itt aren't that type

>>133188493
living an unfulfilling life following a bunch of dumb rules designed for people living ~2000 years ago

>Theists believe there's a man on an actual mountain throwing lightning bolts.
>Prove there's no mountain. To this day they still have trouble believing the evidence.
>Theists believe there's a mythology for natural disasters.
>Prove there isn't. To this day they still have trouble believing the evidence.
>Theists believe the earth and everything in it was made in six days.
>Prove it wasn't. To this day they still have trouble believing the evidence.
>Theists believe atheists believe in God anyway.
>...
The problem with theists is they know they are wrong. And because of that they have to rationalize every single time they change their myth origins to fit reality.

Since they can no longer do that they just attack society to make people who don't agree with them to ignore the discrepancy.

>>133185411
>Are you angry at Vishnu and Odin and Joseph Smith?

A little, yeah

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>>133188684
>unfulfilling life
How can you live an unfulfilling life when you're always happy because no matter what happens, you're getting an amazing afterlife

>bunch of dumb rules designed for people living ~2000 years ago

So do you thinking No killing or stealing is a dumb rule? you're a fucking nigger, kys stupid leaf

Holy shit do christfags really cherry pick fedora wearing faggots and then assume all atheists are dicks?

FUCK THEM
Atheists are so into themselves that Christians bringing anything related to religion triggers them.
>OH GOSH ANON WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT RELIGION.GOSH YOU ARE SOOO UNEDUCATED.
That is the literal definition of being self conscious about a lifestyle

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>>133188493
You'd get arrested for trying to stone faggots to death. That's likely to cause issues with a man's life. Considering Christians also pride themselves on already thinking they know the answers to the issues of life and most people who convert aren't the brightest of the bunch you can bet that advanced technological progress would be driven to a halt or at the very least neglected for its perceived uselessness to a society that decides to make truths for itself rather than find the real ones. In that regard they are rather similar to liberals.

>>133188493
>where did I even imply that people shouldn't talk about something if they don't believe it, I just said that it is really autistic how you guys obsess so much about it

This board is pretty obsessed with Islam, Judaism... and atheism, lol. You must secretly believe in those things. PATHETIC!

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>>133188890
The focus on the afterlife in the Abrahamic religions is inherently defeatist and anti-human. It's not conducive to a healthy mind or good leadership.

>>133189206
>stoning faggots to death

Retconned by Jesus in the new testament pal, also the secret is living without regrets because you know you are getting something great in the end, but one must also appreciate his life and use it to it's full extent to help others get on the path, so advances in technology and medical attention are always a good thing.

>>133189349
OP was right about atheists being extremely angry against god, not the other part

>>133189525
How is it fucking defeatist and anti-human? when you're supposed to enjoy life in anyway you can because in the end you'll be happy no matter what

Why can't I just not believe in anything and not be forced to pick sides?

>>133187945
you're a retard lol

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>>133186949
>I mean that they don't like the idea of doing evil according to some standard, not that believing in god is bad. They are hedonists that want to do whatever they want but are afraid of rejection so they pre-emptively attack anyone who may invalidate them by playing the moral high ground game. This is why moral relativism is so strong in the left. 'You are evil for judging me', 'there's no objective truth', are statements meant to vilify those who would dare to disapprove you. Of course leftists hate God.

so in your little brain, atheists' "issue with religion" is based on their "wanting to do whatever they want"? How does that make sense?

Beliefs are based upon some type of internal decision making process. This is typically logic based, even if the logic is shitty. From here, there are even splits between how dogmatic people are about the beliefs that they hold.

So some people - when they test the likelihood of ancient religious texts accurately describing the universe, according to their own logic - don't find the likelihood to be very high

>>133188890
>implying religious people are "always happy"

>>133189786
>There can only be two sides of an issue! You're with me or against me!

>>133189864
Maybe not the entire time, but with the help of religion it helps you to smile again knowing everything is worth it

>>133189786
I just don't give a fuck either way. People can believe or not believe whatever they want, I just don't care.

Dumb shit, 90% of atheist believe
>muh religious views give me an automatic degree in biology.
>muh religious views give me an automatic degree in physics
>any expression of religion is an assault on me
>religion had nothing to do with society becoming developed
>saying "why didn't God do this" is an effective debate tactic

>>133186758
Allah means God, you retard.

>>133189879
>>133190056
Don't give it much thought, it's just a harmless meme

>>133189864

I'm happy as long as I stay a good christian. Are you jealous ?

>>133187247
I never said that science replaced christianity. Science is not a religion

>>133189803
>Western civilization, undeniably the greatest civilization by magnitude and stature, was built on the Christian faith
>immediately after rejecting the Christian faith it began to decline; we can see today that Christian areas are nicer places to live than heathen places
>ignoring the self-evident truth that Christianity makes life better
>considering yourself intelligent when you don't even have common sense

>>133187586
exactly. And christian beliefs are retarded and also should not be allowed. That's why atheists are trying to help you. You are welcome

>atheists are ruled by their ego's..many such cases...sad.

>>133190181
so what do you suggest we replace it with? you're either going to have faith or rely on rationale. im not the least bit religious but i also lack meaning in life and at least notice all the good it's brought and realize that contemporary christianity isn't a good representation of it when people actually gave a fuck

>>133183136
Am atheist, and I agree with this.

>>133187715
because you are just making shit up. According to YOU god is something deeper than something you can prove with physical evidence.

>all these edgelord pics of teens with their fedoras
Describes atheists perfectly, to be honest. Young, ignorant dude who thinks he knows everything (defaulting to a broad term like "science" makes this very easy) who finds pleasure in being a rebel, against God if not his parents

>>133190382
>christian beliefs are retarded

I bet you're a criminal

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>>133189669
Christianity isn't representative of a lifestyle of enjoyment, certainly not in it's proper from, not whatever new age crap you follow. Being raised in a community of very starkly religious people has given me the experience of such practice, and it was hardly focused on the enjoyment of our current world. Nearly their entire life was focused on their very devotion to that same afterlife and repentance for an action they had never taken. They never had discussion on the things of this world that could be made better, just how one could assure a place in the afterlife. While this is anecdotal I have taken the liberty of explaining it because this is as close as I've seen to a by the book practice of the Bible. Considering the multiple denominations and subsequent sects of modern Christianity you could justifiably say whatever you damn well please about the religion and it could be true, but judging by the actual manuscript of the Bible itself, it is hardly concerned with the well being of the people on this earth.

>>133190454
>You have to replace it!
Because?

>>133190635
you're a fucking retard. you can't prove thoughts with physical evidence; you can't physically tamper with a thought. you can use other thoughts to make a thought but each one is single and it doesnt have molecules you can break down. like holy sht dude what the fuck? are you really this dumb?

>>133183368
>atheists do mostly live with Christian presuppositions

You completely failed to name one.

>>133190772
what are the other choices when make a decision other than faith, rational thought, or randomness? derrrrr

>>133190207
Much better:
>atheism thrives in countries that accept their beliefs (mostly those built on Christian values)
>get eliminated with extreme prejudice by people who believe in "Skydaddies" everywhere else
What happened to the theory of evolution, atheists? Is the world telling you that you're not fit for this world? :^)

>>133190767
I'm sorry that you had to go through that, there are a bunch of people that will interpret the bible in ways that are not productive, it has happened plenty of times throughout history.

But the bible, especially the new testament gives you everything you need to live your life, enjoy it and make it a better place for everyone

>>133191003
or impulse

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>>133191003
You don't necessarily need organized religion to have faith.

>>133191041

Are you Catholic or Protestant mate ?

>>133191099
but you're still replacing it which im not totally against. there do need to be some adjustments but idk what

>>133190767
trying to make the world a better place always ends up in major atrocities
the best thing a person can do for the world is focus on containing and improving his own individual self, as this is what he has the most direct control of

>>133185387
>what's it going to take for atheists

Easy. Tell your god to come out of hiding.

>it's not based on rationale

You just admitted that religion is irrational.

>deal with it

The best part in living in a secular country is I don't have to deal with it.

>>133183136
Wouldn't be the dumbest thing they believe

>>133191176
You from the falls or the newtownards road big lad?

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>>133191041
It is cheap however to accept such on the authority of a collection of novella written nearly 3000 years ago. While they may be beneficial, they are based on a set of doctrines and epistemology that in it's base form a building block for the most evil of this world as well, such as the foundations of Communism and pessimism. One can logically come to the moral conclusions the Bible provides, and be much more fulfilled because of it. The one thing I value is Truth above all else, and in such a pursuit I am rather adverse to accepting the worldviews and cosmic beliefs of men who had not the capacity for discovery we had today, and of which frankly does not add up to a wholesome product. Christianity is very much a Gestalt of which one inputs their own thoughts to fill the gaps in the story.

>>133191409
>Easy. Tell your god to come out of hiding.
just made the fucking point that god, like thoughts, isn't something physical. see>>133190869
>You just admitted that religion is irrational.
neither are feelings or the human experience. you will not get the same result with every human even in the same environment
>The best part in living in a secular country is I don't have to deal with it.
well if you don't care if your life is meaningless then i guess it doesn't matter too much. fine w me

>>133183136
It is true. That's why it is so hard to have a meaningful conversation with lefties. They don't have religion, so their political party fills the empty space. They take the beliefs of the party as gospel, and see the leaders as holy, can't do anything wrong.

>>133183136
The high majority of atheists never shut up about God "not being real"

I does seems to be some anger fueled obsession

also this>>133185387 for
>Easy. Tell your god to come out of hiding

>>133191409

>>133188890
>So do you thinking No killing or stealing is a dumb rule
>Thinking those rules didn't exist before Christianity or Jewism.
>Calls others stupid niggers.

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>>133191323
That doesn't always work anon, for in the very doctrine of Christianity it dictates that there will be those who are destined to evil. Just as well, to be frank the majority of people are not that bright and will quite often end up hampering themselves with their impulsive decisions. Without a Truth to follow Humanity is lost.

>>133183136
No, at least I wouldn't think so. I'm an atheist and it's not because I'm mad at some god.

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it was more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZDGMI_6LXM

>>133191755
>just made the fucking point

And I was making the point that your point is completely retarded. See how that works?

>see

I saw it. I wasn't impressed.

>neither are feelings

Your feelings may be irrational. But mine aren't. Speak only for yourself.

>your life is meaningless

Not to me. I care about my life. I don't expect it to matter to you or the god in your head.

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>>133188890
>So do you thinking No killing
>is a dumb rule?

Yes. What are you, a fucking pacifist?

>stealing

Stealing is illegal in all civilizations. Don't pretend that Jesus invented that law.

>you're a fucking nigger

Why are you calling your christian brethren "nigger"?

>>133192585
lol ok tough guy.
>my feelings aren't irrational
you're not worth talking to. the lack of self awareness is embarrasing. kill yourself immediately

Atheists can believe or not believe whatever they want and it doesn't change the fact that every knee will bow. They will pray for the mountains to fall on them to hide their faces from the one who is coming.

>>133192585
>"I've never been irrationally angry or happy before. I've also chosen every thought I've ever had" ok buddy. stay mad

>>133190454
>you're either going to have faith or rely on rationale
So a doctor who also believes in God can't treat his patients?

>>133193747
>implying every single decision they make has to be based on if they have faith if they believe in a higher power

>>133183136
Most Christians I know think this. Most also don't know the Bible very well.

>>133183635
I was like that when I was 15.

>>133194078
>implying that's what I meant
Let me rephrase that since you're too dumb to understand the question: Why can't doctors also believe in God? Does their faith interfere with their work?

>>133193328

Stop lying using quotation marks and green text.

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But God doesn't change his mind. Yet he does. And this makes sense to Christians. Jesus should have been made God Emperor of Earth , I agree , but I think he was just agreeing with the Jews so he didn't get killed before he could spread his message of love. And how do I have free will I God will torture me If I do what I want? Like practice pacifism , meditate , and help others? But I can be a killer and rapist as long as I seek forgiveness and say that Jesus is Lord? I do want a serious answer. And on that note , any Christians want to have a serious debate about Buddhism vs Christianity?

>inb4 fedora
i'm a bald toothless hillbilly for fucks sake

>>133190207
>Western Civilization was built on the Christian Faith
What does that actually mean? Because you could name a number of things that western civilization was "built on."

the "rejection of the christian faith" as well as "the decline of western civilization" - both in terms of how they are defined and when these events occurred, if they have at all - could be debated forever. And "christian" and "heathen" places have no real definition, and how "nice" of places they are to live is too much of a matter of taste to be worth a discussion.

>>133183136

I have anger towards the Christian god if he exists.

Because he really made a fucking mess and we could have all just been made angels and not have to deal with this shit.

>>133188752
OMG YES YES AND YES!!!

All Indian religions pre-Buddha were classist , destructive bullshit. All Paganism worships degeneracy and nonsense , and Joseph Smith was a sick freak.

>>133183136
It's true. My point is proven by the fact that you post this, seeking affirmation from other atheists in denial.

Stop lying to yourself, and embrace reality.

>>133183136
I think of atheism as a typical modifier, of course there's a legitimate minority who simply don't believe but the vast majority reached a premise for their decisions based off a moral conflict with the religion they grew up with, this is why you more often see American atheist who grew up religious going absolutely fedora tier while a lot of Europeans were just raised without religious influences and just don't care to learn.

My personal take on if, both are cancerous morally but at least European atheists shut the fuck up and don't preach it so often.

>>133194717

There is no good if there is no bad. Pretty simple to understand.

"Judge not"
Cannot judge a religion to be correct nor incorrect.
Cannot be christian.
"Can only come to God through me...."
Don't know you , only other's hearsay about you.....
I try to be good christian but I cannot follow book that contradicts itself......

>>133195122
Things can lead to suffering or lead to the end of suffering. Much more logical way to think of things than " muh good vs muh evol"

>>133195122

The bad doesn't need to be people being skinned alive or slowly beaten to death over the course of days.

It doesn't need to be horrible diseases and children starving.

>>133183136
Did this pokenigger just contradict himself

>>133195305

What are terrible things compared to an eternity of beatitude ? Don't see bad with human eyes if you want to understand.

>>133195122
>There is no good if there is no bad.
One of the most retarded things I've read in my life

>>133183136
>christianity is one person

>>133189669
Tips for the Atheists , study the bible if you want to disprove the christian cultists. Take this poster for example. Doesn't know that the parable about the stoning of the whore was invented and added to the text much later. The oldest copies do not include the story at all. Like 10% of the bible , it is manufactured bullshit. The rest is pretty legit though. But the Christian does not study his bible , does not even read it usually.

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>>133183817
>I don't agree that that is true

>>133195516
Clearly didn't read the Bible then....

>>133195516

You must not have heard many things then.

>>133183865
What religion believes in a man in the sky? Pagans?

>>133183136
>why such anger directed at a fiction

Because you faggots can't stop niggering out over your stupid fiction book and killing people.

>>133195122
Could an omnipotent god not just make it so you CAN have good without bad?

>>133188505
You need to be an idiot if you think all of his arguments are valid, as much as he's contributed to sconetific development, he is terrible at debating without the usage of strawman arguments, and dismisses tons of things if he finds it as a waste of time (ignoring what he dislikes as opposed to addressing it).

>>133183737
Underrated

>>133195483

Using a delusion to avoid the horrors of reality is just escapism.

>>133185241
>Even if that were true, what's your point?

His point is that their whole thinking is programmed by a religion.
Which is true, Christianity is in every person in the west.

But I don't know why he and his kind uses this as some sort pf pro Christian argument. Because the same could be said about any culture/religion/thought system or whatever.
So yeah, it doesn't really mean anything.

Jordan Peterson says the same thing as the guy you replied to (so I'm sure it's him he's trying to parrot) , but I'm not sure why.

>>133188706
This has to be bait, theism various ideals that can also reject the supernatural for something naturalistic (i.e. pantheism), theism isn't a religion nor is it synonymous with organized religion.

>>133195879
Christianity can fix Europe's fertility rates no one gives a fuck if a few heathens have to die first for the greater good.

>>133183601
obviously we are talking about westeran atheists since most almost all posters here are in christian countries.

>>133196035


To be a good person, you need to have the choice of doing the good or the bad, otherwise you're just a robot.

>>133191011
kek

>>133188493
Bible? What of the other religious texts? Why limit yourself to this.

There's not such thing as an atheist just closeted believers.

>>133190883

morality, law, equality, science, math, objectivity, anything to do with believing reality is stable.

when an atheist denies all gods, he creates one: himself.

>>133196120
Okay the general population is deluded either way, better be deluded with a great religion such as Christianity then a shitty pc and atheist commie culture.

>>133188890
>So do you thinking No killing or stealing is a dumb rule? you're a fucking nigger, kys stupid leaf

The illogical thought processes of the religious.

>>133193033
>the lack of self awareness is embarrasing

You are only describing yourself. You christians hate human nature so much. No wonder you call your feelings irrational. Let's find out if you are a hypocrite. Anon, are you a virgin or are you married?

>>133196297

Because he grew up with that one and it's the easiest religion in existence. Lots of holidays and barely any rules.

Too many atheists possess a kind of spiritual autism

>>133183136
I don't believe atheists are "just mad at god". But I do believe that mankind is naturally religious in the sense that we can't understand everything perfectly rationally. Whether we call it religion or not, people inherently develop religious beliefs.

Take the modern atheists, for example. The vast majority of them are progressive faggots who worship their own assholes. SJWism is their doctrine. White guilt is their original sin. Environmental alarmism is their apocalyptic revelation. They just replaced one religion for another. It's just that one is far more cancerous than the other.

>>133190454
First we should probably define what IT really is. It's just a religion (or collection of religions).

I contend that religions were essentially how ancient cultures defined, maintained, and spread themselves as well as enforced their norms.

They also served a secondary role of explaining the "un-explainable" whether that be natural phenomena (often through anthropomorphisations), the creation of the universe, or what happens when we die.

> I contend that religions were essentially how ancient cultures defined, maintained, and spread themselves as well as enforced their norms.
I don't think that we need to create something to do this. I think it is occurring naturally. Our culture is strong, widespread, seductive, and (especially today with the ease of communication) our norms are widely discussed and debated.

>They also served a secondary role of explaining the "un-explainable" whether that be natural phenomena (often through anthropomorphisations), the creation of the universe, or what happens when we die.
This aspect has just been replaced with science and logic. Instead of holding unshakable beliefs about the "unexplainable" we are constantly questioning, observing, and debating to build an increasingly more accurate understanding of the unexplainable.

But I guess some people need religion / christianity to make them feel safe when they are in a dangerous situation, or feel secure that they will have a place to go after they die. For stuff like that, we don't really have a replacement. There doesn't necessarily need to be a replacement in my opinion, but some people do I guess. Maybe a therapist or something would work.

>>133196369

I can agree with morality and law because growing up in christian nations tends to implant christian moral views on people, but the others no.

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>>133183136
He is right.
Fedora cucks are mad at "fiction", yet the first thing they do is pray when shit hits the fan or things get a little hard.
Good times create weak oversheltered pieces of shit of men and weak men are atheists.

>>133183368
I think what you meant to say is that they're anti-christian not anti-God.

>>133196540
>Lots of holidays and barely any rules.

You're clearly not talking about traditional catholicism.

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>>133196796
>Fedora cucks are mad at "fiction"
oh the ironing board

>>133197086
Oh sweet
When did they make Captain Liberia?

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>is this what all christfags believe
Fuck no, any sane Christian would know about athieism.
The belief in nothing.

>>133196735

actually, there have been books written arguing for 'atheistic morality' and attempts by even Dawkins and other clowns to explain away laws and the appearance of natural laws.

It's not Christianity™ specifically, but theism at the root of science and math. You have to first believe that reality is stable enough to test against. And drawing your attention back to the earlier point I made about 'atheistic morality' and laws, ALL of this gets explained through naturalistic processes which inevitably ends in denying free will. Which is why Dawkins, Shermer, Krauss, et al, all believe that reality is an illusion.

Don't you see how bizarre that is? To use science, a methodology that has no value unless reality is stable, to then say that reality is an illusion?

There is no basis for science in atheism. in fact, it shouldn't work. that it does work is in fact one of the finest and most delicious ironies for the fedora.

>why such anger directed at a fiction
People are mad because Link isn't a girl. People are mad because the Nazis are bad guys in a Wolfenstein game. People are mad because it was hurr turn.
Some people are just bitter, crazy cunts.

>>133196540
Yes because Confucianism or any other east asian religions for that matter take alot of mental power to process right retard?
Why are you qualified to judge our religion, and why should we take you seriously you slant eyed heathen, you think you get a say in our politics and oppinions from the other side of the world?
Also the religion you are referring to is Atheism, where all holydays are materialized, holy feasts with our families forgotten, for the elite Kikes to control us more then they already do and make us add to their riches through plastic decorations.

>>133197378

The Earth is stable because ot stabilized over time.

Parts of the universe are still very unstable.

It doesn't take some divine beast to keep things together.

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>>133196369
>morality, law, equality, science, math, objectivity, anything to do with believing reality is stable.

You christians really are delusional. You actually believe Jesus invented all of those things. Especially science and math. There is no 'Gospel of Jesus', so who knows if Jesus was even literate.

>morality, law

The Old Testament was written by barbaric savage jews. It is so horrible that /pol/ christians completely ignore the first half. The New Testament is about hippie jew Jesus. The Bible goes to both evil and stupid extremes.

>>133190869
I understand that you are trying to say about the existence of thoughts not being able to be proven with physical evidence.

What I am saying to you is that YOU are saying that god cannot be proven with physical evidence. How the fuck do you know that? You do not and cannot know that.

I contend that there is no evidence of any god because there is no god at all. With no evidence of a god, there is no reason to believe in one.

You seem to contend that lack of evidence of a god means that there is a god that just cannot be proven to exist with physical evidence.

So why - with no evidence that christianity is anything more than an ancient mythology - should anyone believe it to be a description of reality?

>>133197551

At least Eastern religions focus on self improvement and thinking about the error of your ways instead of just thinking that the other parties are just sinners.

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>>133183817
>whose literature I've consumed
Oh I bet he did

>>133197705

God is the cause of the causes and he has no cause. Can you understand that ? Would be a good start. The law of causality is a physical evidence of god's existence.

As far as I know, we believe atheists just don't believe in God. I'm pretty sure being mad at God doesn't make you an atheist.

>>133197751
Funny that your introspective, and lightening Eastern religions have created the biggest population of mindless, soulless, drones in history with no concept of empathy

>>133197751
And yet Christians beat you faggots in everything in the past, from building empires, to technological progress to exploration. It is only the west was secularised you started comming close to us in said fields.

>>133197751

Sanctification is not a self improvement for you ?

The God doesn't exist.
If you unironically think otherwise, you are shabbos-goy for your church.
Now be a good boy and send your hard earned money to fuel cocaine-induced gay pedo orgies at Vatican or local monastery or go to hell, you fucking sinner.

There is no God specifically for that reason. God could be anything, BUT a cuck watching representatives of his own religion indulging in sin and degeneracy.
Fucker would torch the monasteries and hang the pope by the balls publicly just to send a message to not fuck with God.

>>133198168

That's the fault of old government systems that focused on work and servitude.

The west greatly benefited from seperating from a large body of Government and free time, not from Christianity.

>>133198168
Christians would accomplish more, if every monarchy wouldn't require bending over for some oldfag in Rome and not only, though.

Pretty much since era of Enlightement church became a nuisance, instead of a driving force. Especially because of corruption.

>>133198199

Not when it comes by casting negative judgement on others and donating money to your leading body.

>>133194306
Many of us where, thing is we realized what pathetic shits we were being at 16.

>>133198060
lol, now it all makes sense!

>>133198098
lol I'll take that a step further and say that it would make you into a theist

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>>133183136
I think a much better way of saying this is that all atheists must concede to being agnostic atheists.

>>133187392
Right on brudda. Anyone who fights so hard to prove "God doesn't exist" is definitely mad.
>Just go with the flow.
>>133187461
Christians? The world will not stop talking about Islam until they stop blowing shit up.

>>133198919

Absolutely, I'm happy you got it.

>>133197594

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about earth being stable? Reality is the objective standard; it is what is being tested against in science and physics.

>>133197613

Where did I say "Jesus invented science and math"? without theists, particularly Christians, there would be no science and math for you to use to then deny the philosophical requisites of science and math through the rejection of objectivity.

and I don't reject the OT like a lot of muppets on here; Jesus was not a hippie and the Bible has no inherent morality, it is composed of disparate and yet interconnected themes and rhetorical devices. There is very little to no exposition so its easy to misunderstand without historical context, like you have demonstrated in your ignorant post.

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>>133183447
Totally next level cringe right there bro

>>133198545
I strongly believe this will in some way happen soon.
>>133198677
Western government systems were also focused on work and servitude all the way into the 1850s and still prospered and dominated.
Difference is we had Christianity you didn't.
>>133198733
Modern european Monarchies have no power, it doesn't matter who they are bending over for they are jewish pawns.
I agree on your corruption statement, the Kikes could for some readon not be kept out after the enlightenment. I believe there is hope for the Church and even the Papacy, but it requires extensive cleansing and fixing. Even so, I honestly do not care for the papacy, and would have nothing against getting rid of it if fixing it is impossible.

>>133199691

You're celebrating the accomplishments of the few that many were athiest to begin with and claiming Christianity was the key.

>>133200234
If they were indeed atheist they would have their heads rolling down the steps if they shared their ideas or would have had too much social anxiety to share their ideas with anyone.
Atheism, if even a concept before the 1900s would have been treated as the mental disease it is, and this way Europe was unified and 99% Christian.
Of course a Chink like you doesn't want strong unified European states and identities, because we would turn our energies getting rid of you fucks instead of fighting ourselves.

>>133200833

Early America didn't care what your religious belief was as long as long as you weren't practicing witchcraft.

>>133196938
anti-theist is the general definition if they dislike the higher power

It is instict because man avoids death at all costs and can't cope with the fact that with death the existance and consciousness stops.
It's funny to me to think that angels will transport you to alternate dimension and there St. Peter will judge you and either you'll have eternal torment or eternal worshipping of God.

>>133204012
And early america was a huge shithole, your point?

>>133187454
fucking r*ddit nigger

>>133205039

That's where most of the innovation for technology came from unless you think an assembly is more impressive than electricity, telecommunication, and the light bulb.

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>>133183368
This is true, which is why they usually fall for the secular version, that is liberalism.

>>133188505
>I understand that religion is necessary for most people because it guides their moral compass
You've obviously never been to the super moral catholic Mexico

>>133196369
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THIS is what Christians actually believe.

>>133190207
>Western civilization
>was built on the Christian faith
said every thread
still wrong every thread

>>133194717
He gave us a choice to do good or do bad. Blame Adam and Eve if anything for doing the first sin before we were ready to learn about the devil and his temptations. Since now it's easier to do bad than good

>>133205966

>can create humans
>doesn't just start the fuck over and instead let's billions be born and gives them disease
>makes it so we had to eat to begin with instead of just giving us some sort of solar powered skin.

>>133183836
its more like we hate the idea of a tyrannical king running are lives.

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>>133205966
>Adam and Eve

>>133197751
If you read the bible, Jesus talks about fixing your own problems before helping others. Nowhere does he tell people to blame others

How is this guy a Christian?
He fucking hosts weekly podcasts with Matt Forney and Davis Aurini.
Yeah, hanging with PUAs who go on sex junkets in Asia is right there in the Gospel of John.

>>133206095
He did fucking start over with Noah, look what happened. Back to degeneracy after few 100 years. So he says fuck ir I won't destroy my creation any more and will send Jesus so they will have a fighting chance to go to Heaven.

How is it bad?

>>133183136
It's true. God's existence is undeniable and people who deny it are butthurt liars.

>>133191871
Look it does not matter because if its the god in the bible then he is a jackass nuf said.

>>133184134
>They're basically angry at True Believers that keep trying to shove their bullshit down your throat even after a polite, "No thanks, I'm not interested."
This is a meme that just doesn't happen lol. It's rationalization for being angry at God.

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>Why such anger directed at fiction?

>>133206695

>sends one man to the least populated section of Earth.
>Continues to ignore the fuck out of Asia.
>all because he couldn't control one of his employees.
>creates a ton of diseases and parasites.

>>133206783
>uh uh God might exist b-but fuck him tho
Nice one, you stupid faggot. 4chan is 18+.

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>>133183136
>atheist
>no intellectual ever refers to themselves as such
>instead, are tarred with said godtard-like brush, in an attempt to 'tribialise' them (too)

it's almost over now...

>>133207008
>sends one man to exact center of then-current civilization
Fixed that for you, idiot.

>>133207019
Agnostic look it up cunt.

LOL

that's actually gonna trigger atheists I think

10/10

>>133207086
Agnostics aren't little bitches by definition, idiot. 4chan is 18+.

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Checkmate, atheists!

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>>133183817
Buddhists do not believe in a god.
At the contrary, Buddhists hold that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear.
The Buddha says:

Gripped by fear people go to sacred mountains, sacred groves, sacred trees and shrines.
Dp. 188

The Buddha taught us to try to understand our fears, to lessen our desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.

>>133206489
Christians dont actually believe their own garbage

>>133207152
So turning people into salt because why not is okay?

>>133207068

Even if so

>doesn't bother to stop Islam
>never makes another appearance when he could literally just come down every decade or so to check in
>doesn't make it so people get some sort of brand on their skin when they're a sinner to show he's watching

At least none judaic religions have multiple gods that are all fucked up in the head so it makes more sense when shit turns into a mess.

>>133207225
Most at least, the ones that aren't children.

>>133183635
>Realist
>would probably get triggered if someone mentioned demographic replacement in most Western countries and call you a racist conspiratard

>>133205665
Liberalism, liberal democracy, natural rights, individual sovereignty, common law.

They are all derived from Christian dogma.

Statements of fact.

This is why sharia is totally incompatible with the west.

>>133207192

Buddhists still have deities, there's just no supreme deity that rules over man.

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>>133207019
18+ by age AND by IQ

You've been reported

>>133207068
>center of then-current civilization
what are you smoking?

>>133186826
>Believing in something because someone tells you to is simply hard for atheists to do.
Unless that guy is in a labcoat

>>133207660
Eh I don't trust them either.

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>>133207527
>>faggot
>You've been reported

being this new

>>133183136
The concept of "God" is worth internal exploration, and Jesus seemed like a nice bloke, but you'd have to be thick as shit not to see gaping holes in his story.

Really, you're have to be a mouth breathing deranged moron to believe that God sent his son down to the Middle East for a few years, in an era with fuck all communication, and thought that would do the job.

Seriously, are you that gullible?

>>133193294
Revelation 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Philippians 2:10-11
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

1 Peter 1:19-20
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

>>133207470
There is an important difference between Buddhist deities and mythological gods or goddesses. The latter are (or were once), considered real.
The deities of Buddhism are not considered real in the same sense, and are ultimately regarded as manifestations of Emptiness.

In Buddhism, the deities perform different types of functions for the practitioner. They may be a focus or aid to individual meditation and transformation, in which case they are called yidams.

Some practitioners eventually abandon deity devotion as a method for attaining an enlightened state when it has outlived its utility.

HH Dalai Lama said:
>"Of the various Buddhist meditational deities, the best is Buddha. If you like others, practice them; if you don’t, simply take Buddha."

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>>133195204
>judge not
fuck off and read the verses after

>>133183817

That's some island 120 you got there.

>>133207444
Democracy was created by Greek polytheists thus Christianity is incompatible with democracy

>>133183136
I don't believe anyone is truly atheists.

I once heard Norm Macdonald say the same thing and that was the first time I realized other people thought that too.

As long as religion has a say in public policy and law, atheists will speak out against it.

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>>133208453
Nobody is an atheist in the sense that they have 100% belief some God doesn't exist.

That little factoid tends to confuse the religious.

>>133207315
Islam is from the devil who rose up 100 years after Jesus came, Christianity was already spreading giving everyone a fighting chance to go to Heaven. Why wouldhe need to do anything? Earth is Devil's domain if you read the Bible. We are here just for testing our faith before we move either to Hell or Heaven.

Why do sinners need to get a mark? They themselves know already they are being watched by God by deny it.

>>133208335
incorrect.

greek democracy and liberal democracy are not equivalent. Its disingenuous to suggest they are the same.

liberal democracy is a parallel construction of a democratic system derrived from christian dogma. Its an internally consistent pragmatic construction.

So far as I understand there is no equivalent parallel construction in islamic philosophy that would justify liberal democracy via Islamic dogma.

I am totally open to reading anything you have that suggest otherwise.

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>>133187454
kek, plebbit strikes again

>>133207255
Let's suppose God came down and gave you one command to follow. You then decide to do exactly the opposite of what he just fucking told you. He decides to punish you for not listening. Also, you're trying to make God follow your morals which is preposterous.

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>>133188684
>living an unfulfilling life
>dumb rules

basement dweller confirmed, get a job, read some books and live a little before you denigrate the social and practical utility of a unifying spiritual principal for a thriving civilization to exist

>>133183368
Actually Christians live with common knowledge and genetic inclination presuppositions about reality.

>>133208864
Equality is not a good thing. It definitely is Christian dogma and it is dogmatic garbage.

Christianity has given rise to liberalism as it has given rise to the modem progressive movement. Christianity has justified natural laws as it has justified equality between all people - through illogic.

Maybe you can convince some American Republican how great those bullshit morals are but I don't accept that.

As far as I'm concerned, Christian societies took Democracy and sullied it with their religious garbage and now that religious garbage is infecting all of society because it makes the left feel good and follows in suit with right nonsense. Most people tend to just believe whatever morals currently exist are the true right morals for some reason.

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I don't believe in god, but I do acknowledge the benefits of religion. It's really about the honor system and the sense of virtue what I like about religion, that little "force" in the back of human minds that separate them from animals. There has to be that "cosmic honor system", not only for the sake of having meaning with life, but also to maintain morals in order to make our lives little bit more tolerable.
Shit dawg, I don't know. I wish there was a "religion of not religion" that was about respecting nature and not being a murderous dick. Some kind of religion of "let's not nuke ourselves, let's explore space instead" religion.

Imagine aylamaos invading our solar system, and then humanity would team up against the aylamaos, united by the same feeling of duty and virtue. Like space knights. Not a hivemind, but people voluntarily acknowledging that peace is good.

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>>133209931
I'm pretty sure Nary has sinned atleast once

>>133210043
Mary*

>>133209826
>As far as I'm concerned, Christian societies took Democracy and sullied it with their religious garbage and now that religious garbage is infecting all of society because it makes the left feel good and follows in suit with right nonsense. Most people tend to just believe whatever morals currently exist are the true right morals for some reason.

because there is no objective morality.

>Equality is not a good thing. It definitely is Christian dogma and it is dogmatic garbage.

personally I have no problem with equality of opportunity, just not any attempt at engineering an equal outcome.

I am using the word liberal differently than you are. Liberalism is the philosophy codified in the declaration of independence and US bill of rights.

Modern neo-liberals and progressives, exist within a liberal system but their ideals are unjustified, immoral and unjustified by Liberalism. Its just made up jew spew.

They threaten the fabric of society by ignoring the morality that provides the stability and national structure we all take for granted.

>>133209096
Sell your child to the one who raped her?

>>133191011
If humans were close to thoughtless animals as you would claim Christfags are then yes, but there was clearly campaigns set to kill heretics and witches. Now it seems that in this modern age you are now incapable of doing so and religion is declining. The death throes of a dying idea is what is being posted here.

>>133183136
>atheist
>a theist
checkmate atheists

>>133209826
Christianity did the opposite thing (supporting hierarchies) by a millennia. But let's focus in the last 40 years of ideological communism.

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>>133190679
Deuteronomy 22:23-24

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

Oh yes, bible is very good and loving

>>133186277
Christians can't function without a persecution complex. It's part of their theology.

>>133186204
>I totally did not pull this statement out of my asshole

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw

All you pathetic atheist faggots prepare to be absolutely BTFO by a superlative mind.

No one holds a goddamn candle to John Lennox. Not dawkins, not hitchens, not harris. No one.

>>133188890
you think i should have to sacrifice goats?

>>133188258
Religion is the autonomous and obstinate amalgamation of tradition and morality.

You're not ordered (anymore) to be a slave to the ideals with no exception. And you can live your entire life (now) as a good christian without ever donating a cent to the Church.

Christianity hit its high point just before 1900.

>>133183136
This is actually a perfect statement. Any time you want to do something on a grand scale, always start by thinking that everyone within the group is an absolute imbecile and you wont be wrong about at least 70 to 90% of the group.
With that being said if there really are atheists that are like that( such as those in pictures posted ITT ) they really are the lowest of the low. Yet they consider themselves intellectually enlightened or whatever. A man that claims he knows everything usually knows nothing.

>>133183817
I want that coffee mug

>>133183136
He is right though...

>>133188493
>I just said that it is really autistic how you guys obsess so much about it
Because it has a big impact on our lives you fucking retard. Its no that hard to realize this. Try to keep up.

>>133217348
Now you realize why everyone hates Jews. Realize the 'Old Testament' is God talking to his chosen people.

the bible is a faith based religion.

science is a faith based religion.

in the end you choose where to put your faith.

science is ever changing.

the bible stays the same.

>>133221687

>sure I have no facts or evidence but muh feels

>>133183817
I cannot stop laughing at that shitty fucking picture lmao

>>133183136
It's not surprising that's what someone would think when practically every "atheist" ever depicted on TV or movies have their motive for being atheist essentially being "I didn't get what I want" or "I had a rough childhood."

>>133206907
This has to be a troll right? It's so hard to tell these days when the subject is politics or religion.

Americans took atheism too far, just like Christianity

>>133222220
The ((new testament)) was all a fraud anyway. You don't really believe that someone actually found that do you?

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One of my greatest red pills was learning that our genes use us and we are merely vessels to them, in fact most genes are inactive and completely useless. Google selfish genetic elements. This shit gets old though. I suppose religion is needed for most people because without they become nihilistic pussies who think nothing matters, . It's also true that many atheists are annoying autistic faggots. Just wish people could acknowledge we have very little understanding of what the fuck is going on.

>>133188505
i'm an atheist and i thought the god delusion was shit
i was especially dissapointed by his "rebutal" of thomas aquinas
that being said, his talks are mostly gold and i do respect him as a scholar

>>133185112
Get a king james Bible and start reading. So easy.

>>133183368
>as he takes a selfie by his lonesome self in his shitty car in front of what appears to be a gommiblock

>>133225282
atheism is a jewish movement.

>>133183136
Atheist here. Start a conversation about evolution with a fellow atheist. If they're unable to engage you or show comprehension, they're theists - people who *believe* rather than *understand*.
In my experience, most 'atheists' fall into this category, sadly. They aren't allies, or even useful idiots. In many ways, they're scarier than the deists...

>>133229755
I'm a Christian Fundie and I've probably had more of a science education than anyone else here. It's sad that you equate science into your creation story without any evidence of it.