Christianity General! All Are Welcome - Edition!

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For those lurking, here's a link to a free online bible PDF for you to read if you're interested. I personally recommend starting in the book of Matthew (first book of the new testament)
http://www.worldhistory.biz/download567/The_Orthodox_Study_Bible_-_St.pdf
Alternatively if you would like a hard copy, I've been quite pleased with this one thats cheap (~$9!) on Amazon. Its the NIV bible edition, so its written in modern english - unlike the KJV which is like reading shakespere. I feel that the KJV is best for in depth study, but the NIV is MUCH easier to comprehend if you're reading it for the first time:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310411009/
ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>133175694
>Before Abraham was, I am.
All we need to know.

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>>133175694
Join us on /christian/ discord, God Bless.

>>133175986
Why not start with the old testament?

t. Someone who has read neither

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YEAH! IHOP!!

https://www.youtube.com/user/ihopkc/live

Because prayers are better than pancakes.

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>>133176386
Because the Bible is all about Jesus Christ. He is the Messiah. I started by listening to the Bible from the Book of Matthew. But yes, the goal should be to read the entire Bible cover-to-cover.

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Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2

Hello, this is your daily reminder that Paul the "Apostle" is a blasphemer, lair, and is a false prophet. Please disregard his writings as cannon. Thank you for your time.

>>133176650
terrible story in a shitty book written only for retards

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>>133177086
I give to God all the glory, honor, and praise. All glory goes to God (Jehovah, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit). I love you Jesus. I must decrease, He must increase.

But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty. And God has chosen the base things of the world and things which are despised. Yes, and He chose things which did not exist to bring to nothing things that do. (1 Corinthians 1:27-28)

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>>133175694

>>133177334
not even a nigger could understand that shit

>>133176386
This guy >>133176650 knows whats up, the Old Testament "sets the stage" for Jesus' life and adventures here on earth. Its highly recommended to read, but the new testament is much more relevant to us, at this point in time.

>>133176712
Now theres a bit I'd love to sit down and study. I love the bible, especially its war stories t.kommando/history enthusiast

>>133177086
Tell me; have you ever read the bible? Like, actually sat down and read the whole thing? Surely only a "retard" would judge something they've not experienced

>>133177869
not even satan himself has read the whole bible from cover to cover

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>>133177963
Yes he has, Satan used Scripture to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.

>>133178410
great story cuck

>>133177963
I'll take that as a "no". Regardless, you and all your fellow trolls are welcome at church anytime, you know? This probably seems unthinkable right now, but remember this - things change. The lord isnt finished with you, yet.

t. Atheist of my teenage years, before I converted to Orthodox Christianity. 12/10 would accept Jesus again

>>133175986
>reading a PDF of the bible

>>133178410
>implying Satan was a real separate entity rather than a manifestation of the evil within the mortal heart of Jesus which he was fighting.

greek = tha real deal.

>>133178542
to hear how i'm a sinner and am going to hell unless i ask for big jesus to make me straight?
no thanks

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Christians, why are so many atheists like this? What are your immediate thoughts when seeing pic related?

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>>133178733
You only go to hell if you don't stop having homosex. You be as homosexual as you want and still get into heaven.

>>133178915
sounds stupid

>>133178662
That sounds like some gay ass anime. Satan is a fallen angel.

>>133178803
That's easy. He's a penismonger who can't make an argument.

>>133178996
k

>>133179137
k

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>>133178803
God credits faith as righteousness.

Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness. (Genesis 15:6)

>>133179181
k

>>133178996
Maybe it would be a good idea, unless you want AIDS. Hell is bad enough for the healthy.

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Going to watch Prince of Egypt for the first time, thoughts on this movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tVTEyuCKn4

>>133179023
on par with god? no, Satan, or what ever name utilized is that which dwells within us which represents the easier path, the poor decisions, the little voice that says "do it later" etc.
God gave us free will yes? so satan/evil is merely the negative use of that free will, but it is entirely within our agency. our decisions that is

>>133179299
Hellaides does not sound like fun.

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>>133179230
>>133179299
propaganda
>>133179350
christcuck

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Fuck you christcucks.

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>>133178996
It's never to late,faganon.

Keep posting the word of the Lord! This world truly needs it.

>>133179648
>>133179755
stay mad, christcucks

jesus defeated by me

>>133179755
It can be too late. God won't wait forever.

>>133179431
It's the same advice I would give to a straight person... there is nothing good about promiscuity.

>>133179383
I know, I was just saying that I think Satan is a real being. But either way, he does represent what you said.

>>133179875
good

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>>133179431

>>133179796
Not mad at all. I'm saying you are always welcome should you change your mind. I just called you a faggot because, by your flag , you are a faggot

>>133179796
>>133179832
>>133179908
Burn in hell.

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>>133179382
They got Moses' age wrong, also Pharaoh wanted to kill Moses but he fled Egypt. Anyways, go ahead and watch if you think it'll help you get more into the Bible. There are also other Bible movies as well. God Bless.

The Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh’s heart is hardened. He refuses to let the people go. Go to Pharaoh in the morning as he goes out to the water, and you shall stand by the river’s bank to meet him. You must take the rod which was turned to a serpent in your hand. Then you are to say to him, ‘The Lord, the God of the Hebrews, has sent me to you, saying, “Let My people go, so that they may serve Me in the wilderness.” But up to this point you have not listened! Thus says the Lord, “In this you shall know that I am the Lord: Indeed, I will strike the waters of the Nile with the rod that is in my hand, and they shall be turned to blood. (Exodus 7:14-17)

>>133179952
that's rude of you
>>133179973
mad christcuck is mad

jesus 0
me 1

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>>133178629
Its free, man. People have been tortured and martyr'd for their faith and held true to it, see pic related, so if you dont have $9 for the one on Amazon, its not a bad idea

>>133178803
Well, when I was living through my fedora days, I was simply rebelling. I grew up in a remote, frigid dump of a state as a loner (broken family) and things werent good, you know? I was never happy, my life was meaningless and deep down I was kind of ragey with my own existance.

That, mixed with the fact that I knew very little about god or christianity, combined with the teenage urge to be edgy, produced one cringy edgelord atheist! I'm glad that I left that life behind me..

If this strikes a chord with anyone reading this, theres hope for you, too. I became a tradesman and gained something to do, so to speak. I started making some money, moved across the country, and began a new life for myself. Shortly later, /pol/ made me Christian (what're the odds?!?) and now life is wonderful. I even made peace with what family that I do have. Would recommend.

>>133180056
>Btw you have to be 18 y/o to post here

>>133179998
"hahaha im a faggot give me attention wow you homophobe why arent you giving me attention"

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>>133179950
Holy kek. I forgot these were /ourguys/

>>133180050
This. Follow the word and blessings will flow.

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God bless from Christ's One, Holy, Catholic, and Orthodox Church.
-Orthodox

>>133180201
stop replying to me then

>>133180202
Pretty much everyone who wears a cross is /ourguy/ There's a reason Hitler chose the swastika.

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Christianity had such marvelous art.

>>133178825
>>133179023

"Satan" is real, but he is in no way fallen. Satan is a faithful servant of God whos purpose is to tempt man into sinning. Please read Job.

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>>133179984
Not him, but can anyone recommend some decent Christian movies and shows? I'm tired of normie drivel and degeneracy being the only things on my TV..

I read about a man once who lived in one of the eastern bloc countries... They were too poor to buy a TV, but managed to acquire a broken one by luck. This man and his older relative (Grandpa? I want to say) spent WEEKS getting it working again, they re-soldered the connections, fixed the internals, etc - and when it finally fired up - they discovered that literally every channel was nothing but communist propaganda, hahahahaha...

>>133180223
Christ is risen, my brother

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>>133177016
Coming from a Muslim, that's rich.
Please, accept Christ as God. The Qur'an has been disproven, and the earliest records we have of the false prophet Mohammed are from nearly 250 years after his death, twice revised with much discarded.
Christ is God, and God is One.
God bless.

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>>133180517
No Satan's not some faithful servant. Please read the Bible.

Don't throw the gift of grace away.

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>>133180202
KKK mix paganism with Christianity. They're not Christians.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonderful works in Your name?’ But then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice evil.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

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>>133180577
Truly He is Risen!
Alleithos Anesti!

>>133179382

I liked it. Very beautiful animation, story is not so accurate but the gist is there. Pretty good movie.

>>133180050
Going to a Catholic school there were many edgy atheists too (probably rebelling against their parents), of course they would never mention Islam.

>>133178733
He didn't say he would make you straight. He didn't make you a Fag. You defile yourself in lust. Just ask to be forgiven and declare JESUS lord. He will show you the way back.

>>133179984
I was going to watch Exodus gods and kings but some anons convinced me otherwise said Prince of Egypt was better, anyway thanks anon God Bless

>But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

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>>133180223
The Catholic Church is the true Church. The Eastern "Orthodox" Church was started in 1054 A.D in schism from the Catholic Church.

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>>133180730
This applies very well to Protestants, as they are steeped in traditions of men, mind you. Judge not. Saint Paul didn't even judge himself, nor should we pass judgement. May Christ guide you to His Church, His Body, and the fullness of the Faith so that you might find true Communion with Him. God became Man so that we might become as God (by grace).

>>133180772
He is and shall be.

This thread is deep, I can almost smell the incense :)

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>>133181081
>pic related
You have tgat backwards, friend. Papal supremacy, the immaculate conception, penal atonement theory, purgatory... these are innovations not found in the Early Church, nor in Orthodoxy. You left us, as the fruits of the Roman Catholic chaos shows today.
God have mercy and open your heart.

>>133181081
Catholics aren't Christian

>>133180613

Job 6-12

Also, God is all powerful, all things according to his will. He allows Satan to exist because ultimately Satan serves some ultimate purpose, which in Job, was to try and break Jobs faith in God, to break him and cast him into darkness, so that God in his glory could impart a greater wisdom and faith in Job.

>>133181371
Orthodox aren't Christian

>>133181371
explain the pic

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>>133178733
God is love. Not angry, not punishing, just pure love. We sin when we turn away from Him, and by our free will that warm love comes to burn as because we decide to hate it when we sin.
Living in homosexuality is a sin by your own choice. For the love of God, Christ, and your eternity, please seek Him and His strength to give you peace and turn from sin in humility and repentance. God bless you.

>>133181371
Funny how Eastern Orthocucks like to prance around claiming how much they have preserved the "mystical" theology of the early Church and western theology is a corruption and how western Christians somehow don't understand Eastern theology. Nothing but baseless slanders against Christ's true Church. If Eastern "Orthodox" weren't so fucking retarded they'd realize that western theological concepts DO go back to the early Church. The western Church understands eastern theology well, that's why we have Eastern Catholics who retain all of it. There is no difference between Eastern "Orthodox" and the Catholic Church except papal supremacy. Everything else is a matter of tradition. Eastern Orthocucks are too retarded to realize that.
>>133181423
Protesatans aren't Christians. You are blasphemy against God for preaching a false gospel created in the 16th century. Repent,or you will burn in hell for all eternity.

>>133181081
The Pope keeps me out of Catholicism.
I wonder if it's (((their))) tactic to keep white conservative youths away from Catholicism?

>>133181311
Pagan architecture btfo

>>133181522
God allows Satan to exist because if he had killed him the moment he rebelled, the other angels would've began to worship God out of fear and not love. Also, they would suspect God had something to hide, and Satan's accusations were correct.

But God decided to let Satan's idea for a government play out, first in Heaven, and now here. The Earth and humanity are literally a stage for the the angels to see how terrible life becomes when you rebel against God's law.

>>133181931
What exactly is false about the protestant gospel? That we don't pray to the dead? That we don't bow before a man who calls himself "The Vicar of Christ"?

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>>133181701
>>133181524
Pic is thus:
>full stick, the Church in full Communion prior to Roman Catholic breaking away
>RCC leaves, burns into heresy, (Protestants begotten of this further)
>RCC claims the stick is not a stick ("Orthodox aren't the Church!")
>In fact, it is not a stick but something else entirely... (stare of denial of historical authenticity of the One Church in stark contrast to the RCC innovations and heresies in the past 1000 years, roughly.

I chuckled, hence wanting to post it. The reason I came from athiest to God, Christ our Lord is realizing His One Church, Orthodoxy, is that same, authentic Church He established.. Litirfically, doctrinally, faithfully, and eternally.
Research, you'll see. With faith and fear and love of God, May He find you, too. I love God and others because He loved me first.

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>>133181931
>You are blasphemy against God for preaching a false gospel created in the 16th century
Wrong
It's the true gospel created by the death of Jesus Christ
Now, to the one who does not work, but believes on him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness, just as David speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: "Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin"
Romans 4:5-8

>>133175694
Satan is best god satan is based god like my home boy Hopsin the greatest rapper of all time I want his BBC inside of me at all times.

>>133182508
Eastern Orthodoxy is heresy

>>133181953
It could be - but ultimately, the Catholic church has had bad popes before (although arguably not AS bad), and they survived, and they will survive their current one.

The thing of it is, that my (Orthodox) church is made up mainly of converts, many of the Catholic, because of this man.

I'm glad they're a part of my family now, but I feel bad for them... They were good Catholics, they didnt ask for any of this... But there it was dumped upon them, and they were left to pick up the pieces :/

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>>133181931
May God have mercy on you. Your slandering, is that indicative of your Protestant/Muslim upbringing?

The anons reading this can see the fruits of each of our posts. Don't be so hateful. You clearly have at best a shallow looking into the Early Church, Christ, the Apostles, and the Church Fathers.
Pray more, find love through God's love.

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>>133182761
You keep saying this, but Truth can be verified even by objective histirical analysis, and that highly suggests you're wrong.

>>133182849
Slandering? It is often you, the Eastern Orthocucks who slander! I have read the fathers, I have read the scriptures, I understand the traditions of the Church.

>>133183056
>You keep saying this, but Truth can be verified even by objective histirical analysis
How about proper exegesis of the scriptures instead?

Is there a discord?

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Anons, I doubt many came here for cross-denominational infighting. In this modern age filled with degeneracy, (((change))), uncertainty, militant islam and the collapsing family unit, I feel that our energy would be better spent facing outward to help our brothers and fellow citizens find peace and calm and solice in the church and in the lord. All pious Christians need to stand together to hold off (((their))) onslaught.

We need to focus on helping the Anons lurking in this thead, and on this board, to find the peace, and the love of the lord...

>>133183288
>All pious Christians
So no Catholics?

>>133182826
That's true.
I remember a few threads about the a new possible Pope saying Islam is a threat.

Cant i just study the bible on my own and learn Christ's teachings witohut all this shit flinging between orthodox christians, catholics and protestants?

>>133183499
Study Galatians

>>133182559
You don't understand synergism. If you truly believe Catholics don't believe in grace alone, you are retarded. Faith alone DOES NOT equal grace alone.

James 2:24
Romans 2:6-11

https://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/FAWORKS.htm

You take the entire epistle of Romans out of context. If you actually understood what Paul was talking about, that is the works of the law, you wouldn't believe in Sola Fide. How about you actually read the Bible instead of just cherry picking? Protesatans are retarded.

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>>133183074
Your posts say otherwise, friend.
>>133183201
>How about proper exegesis of the scriptures instead?
You mean Orthodox Holy Tradition?

Regarding Protestantism, all distinctively Protestant theology imagines somehow that the text was divorced from its original interpretive community, only to be recentered on a new interpretive community 1600 years or more later. However, if the original interpretive community was so immediately lost, on what basis can one believe that it was ever refound? Even were this true, which of the thousands of available interpretive traditions can one have any confidence in and on what basis?

Any theology without antiquity as her Father, universality as her Mother and unity as her brother is an orphan and not an heir.

Protestants must wrestle with the fact that were they to approach the chalice in the 1st and 2nd century churches they would be refused communion by their ancient forebears. Their modern communions are effectively out of communion with the first Christians, and that of the Church of any time and any place in history but their own. They are by definition no longer “catholic” (universal) in the general sense of the term. This also applies to Roman Catholics after the Great Schism.

>>133180050

Yes, I do find that faith is the only real way I can make peace with the past.

>>133183895
Yours say much less of you.

Does Christian theology actually promote strength in any capacity or does it deal exclusively in trying to be more compassionate than your enemies as they butcher you?

>>133183499
Thats called Solo Scriptura anon, some folks go off the bible alone. Which is great, and what I think that one should base everything off of, deeply, but the thing is:

- The Church is meant to exist, many people have sacrificed everything to ensure its survival and prosparity throughout the ages. Jesus once even said something along the lines of "Wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, there I am among them"

- Fellowship is a very important part of the Christian life. We enjoy eachothers company, we (mostly) receive communion together, we discuss things among ourselves and learn from the sermons. It strenghtens our community and our faith.

Its highly recommended... I would choose a good Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant church over not going to church and living the Sola Scriptura (I probably spelled this incorrectly) life.

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>>133183499
You'll end up putting your own beliefs above God's revelation via personal interpretation if you do this. Christ is truth, but to misconstrue His Gospel is no bueno. I recommend going to your nearest Orthodox Church and talk to a Priest there. Liturgy us absolutely beautiful:)
Facebook as some Good Orthodox groups you can ask away questions, such as "Ask an Orthodox Priest", and "Ask an Orthodox Hipster". Pretty insightful.

>>133183895
Whose quote is that? I like it.

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>>133184062
Care to elaborate? How so? You keep saying less and less, with nothing to back up your claims such a Orthodoxy bring hetesy, Saint Paul being a "false prophet", and so on. You immediately go to attack an Orthodox Christian on here, so clearly truth is a threat you must dispose of.
It is the same worldwide, Orthodox are matured daily, especially by Islam in the middle East and North Africa, Lord have mercy.

>>133184088
Christ preached love, is Love, and is the image of love.
So, we must pray for even those that persecute us. And live the faith.

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2 Peter 2

>Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
>Give not what is holy to dogs
>neither cast ye your pearls before swine
>or they will trample them under their feet
>and turn about and rend you into pieces
Matthew 7:7

>>133184680
Saint Paisios of Blessed Memory:)

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>>133184088
Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
Psalm 144

TL;DR - Yes!

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Tobit 4:12-13
>Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father's tribe: for we are the children of the prophets, Noe, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: remember, my son, that our fathers from the beginning, even that they all married wives of their own kindred, and were blessed in their children, and their seed shall inherit the land. Now therefore, my son, love thy brethren, and despise not in thy heart thy brethren, the sons and daughters of thy people, in not taking a wife of them.

Ezra 10
>And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel. Now therefore make confession unto the Lord God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do.


Nehemiah 13
>In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?

>>133183895
>You mean Orthodox Holy Tradition?
You nullify the word of God for your traditions of men
>all distinctively Protestant theology imagines somehow that the text was divorced from its original interpretive community
The original interpretive community of the bible is the bible itself. It is not to be read in light of anything but itself.
>>133183713
>You don't understand synergism
I understand it just fine.
>If you truly believe Catholics don't believe in grace alone, you are retarded
I truly believe Catholics don't believe what Martin Luther meant by grace alone.
>James 2:24
Was Abraham's faith dead or alive before he offered Isaac?
>that is the works of the law
The law is defined in Romans 2:14, and it is all God has ever commanded, including the Ten Commandments.
>How about you actually read the Bible instead of just cherry picking?
The tremendous irony of this is your post heavily implies you haven't actually read a book of scripture, just listened to Romanist false teachers quote portions out of context.

>>133184207
>>133184350
Didnt mean to imply skipping church and not bonding. Just trying to simplify the process of picking the right way to read the Bible so i wont misinterpret the teaching of Christ. Ill probably go Orthodox since thats what my family is (slavic).

>>133182146

If you want to look at it that way. . . I prefer the view that Satan is a. . . manisfestation of the "evil nature" of God, yin and yang if you will. God is the total being and creator, having knowledge of both good and evil, and is the keeper of wisdom. I believe that God uses both good and evil (Satan) to test our faith, to impart wisdom in us, to ultimately be more like God, to be closer to him. You need the knowledge of both good and evil, the snake did not lie about that when he spoke to Adam and Eve of the Apple making them more like God. By choosing good over evil, by choosing wisdom over ignorance, through our actions in life, we can become closer to God. "God created man in his image","Be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.". This close to the Orthodox doctrine of Theosis I believe.
Bit of a ramble here, tired and phoneposting, could have explained my thoughts better but maybe next time.

>>133175694
If any could pray for me that would be appreciated. Just somewhat confused and have the typical struggle with occasional doubt. Thank you and God bless..

may Jesus return soon

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Romans 13
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Matthew 8:5-13
-- Jesus admires him more than anyone else does not forbid him from being a soldier.


Ephesians
Be angry and do not sin. Do not let the sun go down on your anger.

2 Peter 2
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the Emperor.

Tertullian (Christian) Apology ch. 30
Without ceasing, for all our emperors we offer prayer. We pray for life prolonged; for security to the empire; for protection to the imperial house; for brave armies, a faithful senate, a virtuous people, the world at rest, whatever, as man or Caesar, an emperor would wish.

Pls no shitflinging. I am seriously considering converting to Orthodoxy as the Catholic church does not seem to be Catholic anymore. I heard literal socialist propaganda during mass yesterday.

Here are some questions I have:
>Where do I go to learn more about Orthodoxy?
>Is it truly closer to the original faith than Catholicism?
>Will it seem familiar to me as a Catholic?

>>133185909
Become a Christian instead, anon. It's time to get saved.

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Nehemiah
>Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows.
>hey which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.

Hebrews
>And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

Luke
>“Soldiers also asked him, ‘And we, what shall we do?’ And he said to them, ‘do not shake them up (to extort) or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.’ ”

Luke
>And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”

John
>Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.) So Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?”

-He said not to throw it away BUT TO PUT IT BACK.

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Acts 23 - Paul calls in the Roman Army to protect him from a mob of Kikes
> “When it was day, the Jews made a plot and bound themselves by an oath neither to eat nor drink till they had killed Paul. There were more than forty who made this conspiracy... Now the son of Paul's sister heard of their ambush, so he went and entered the barracks and told Paul. Paul called one of the centurions...But do not be persuaded(yield to) by them, for more than forty of their men are lying in ambush for him, who have bound themselves by an oath neither to eat nor drink till they have killed him. ...Then he called two of the centurions and said, “Get ready two hundred soldiers, with seventy horsemen and two hundred spearmen to go as far as Caesarea at the third hour of the night.Also provide mounts for Paul to ride and bring him safely to Felix the governor.”

Sirach justification for killing people according to the Lord
>Better is death than a wretched life,
>everlasting sleep than constant illness.

Saint Basil the Great:
Our fathers did not think that killing in war was murder. (XIV:605)

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Acts 10 - Peter does not refuse baptism of a Roman Centurion

Luke 12 - Jesus speaks well of killing a slave for disobedience
>If the servant sayeth in his heart
>"My lord delayeth his coming"
>and shall begin to beat the servants and maidens
>and eat and drink and be drunken
>The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh for him not.
>and at an hour that is he not aware
>And he will cut him into pieces
>and will appoint his portion with the faithless.
>And that servant which knew his Lord's will
>and did not prepared
>nor commit to his will
>he shall be beaten with many stripes.
>But he that knew not
>and did not commit things worthy of stripes
>he shall be beaten with only a few stripes
>For unto much is given much is required.

Which is a quotation from Sirach here.
>But of these things do not be ashamed,
>lest you sin to save face:
>Of the Law of the Most High and his precepts,
>or of justice that acquits the ungodly;
>Of sharing the expenses of a business or a journey,
>of dividing an inheritance or property;
>Of accuracy of scales and balances,
>of tested measures and weights;
>Of acquiring much or little,
>of bargaining in dealing with a merchant;
>Of constant training of children,
>OF BEATING OF THE SIDES OF A WICKED SERVANT


Luke 14:31-32 - Jesus speaks well of large expensive armies.
>Or what king would go to war against another king without first sitting down to consider whether his ten thousand soldiers could go up against the twenty thousand coming against him? And if he didn’t think he could win, he would send a representative to discuss terms of peace while his enemy was still a long way off.
Saint Augustine ep. 185 ”We do not seek peace in order to be at war, but we go to war that we may have peace. Be peaceful, therefore, in warring, so that you may vanquish those whom you war against, and bring them to the prosperity of peace”

Ecclesiastes
>There is a time to kill a time to heal

>>133186017
How's that divide and conquer going Shecklestein?

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>>133185333
>You nullify the word of God for your traditions of men
You realize that Protestantism is all "traditions of men"? That is why it is many, confused, no unity. This is why "rivivals" are sought by them.
God is not of confusion, nor is He changing, nor will His Spirit change His message, hence why such changes are of men, not God. Orthodoxy is the Church He established, witnessed by our blood in His footsteps, and thus why we take His Church so dear, as it is His Body on Earth, per Scripture. Nothing new, nothing innovative.
Again, you quote Scripture out of context, yet equally the Apostles said keep the traditions we have passed into you, orally and in epistle. This Orthodoxy does, the faith once and for all delivered unto the saints. Not 1600 years later, not changing in my personal interpretation.

>The original interpretive community of the bible is the bible itself. It is not to be read in light of anything but itself.
Ok Calvin, no. What of the years prior to the Epistles? What about the centuries prior to the Biblical Canon coming about (all Orthodox, by the way). The original interpretive community is the Orthodox Church, or which all early Christians belonged to, including the Apostles. We still exist. Scripture cannot interpret itself, this is easily shown by Calvin and Luther disagreeing. If Scripture is so clear, why can they not agree about the Holy Eucharist and Communion? Why 20,000 plus sects of Protestantism? Even some producing the ultimate heresies of denying Christ as God, like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.
In your arrogance, you'll avoid truth and continue to prize your own belief. Lord save us.

>>133186449
Why are you even here?

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Hebrews 12 - Punishing someone is an act of Kindness

Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Proverbs
>Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
>If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from hell.
>He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
>but he that loveth him disciplines him diligently.

Sirach

>Whoever seeks God must accept discipline;
>and whoever resorts to him obtains an answer.
>The lawless turn aside warnings
>and distort the law to suit their purpose.
>Whoever seeks the law will master it,
>but the hypocrite will be ensnared by it
>Better is death than a wretched life,
>everlasting sleep than constant illness.

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>>133185397
God bless. Salvation is a life long process. Check out those groups, it'll help.

>>133185397
Honestly, some say that the NIV bible is 5th grade reading level. I'll tell you what I did, for what it is worth, I simply started reading in Matthew and anytime that I wanted to learn more about something, or understand it better, I'd google search "------ 8:16 Commentary" and I always found what I needed. Sometimes I'd read a verse or a chapter 2-3-4 times until it made sense. Whatever you do, I wish you the best in it, and I'll pray for you and for all of us on this board to find, and move closer to our most Holy Trinity.

>>133185909
>The OCA (Orthodox Church of America) website is a wonderful resourse, my friend. I think that you will find a lot to be familiar in an Orthodox church to you, but I cannot speak of this myself as I was never Catholic - I can only say that my Catholic-Convert friends at Church made the change and landed on their feet quite well. Honestly, what I would recommend above anything else, is simply stopping by any Orthodox Church for a service. There are greeters who would be happy to show you (or anyone) around, free literature to take home, etc, etc.

>>133185848
Regarding Romans 13... I personally believe this applies only to a godly government. I speak for myself and no one else saying this - but... You see the governments of the world, brutalizing and often massacring their citizens. Spying on them. Doing little/nothing to protect them from "Evil-Doers" while stealing from them. Harassing them, and dictating every faucet of their lives. Committing abortion and providing same-sex marriage.

Is this a godly government?

Was this installed by god?

I think not.

And I think that no one owes them a thing.

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>>133185575
God is good; therefore, nothing bad can come from Him. Not evil, not sin. Sin is the turning away from God, the absence of God.

There's no freewill with an all-knowing God that knew your end-fate BEFORE he created you (when he could have created you differently or not at all) and then created you as such. Your end-fate was already decided BEFORE you were ever created (when you could have been created differently or not at all).

Stop LARPing christcucks.

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>>133185664
Lord have mercy, God grant you strength.
Read Psalm 22 (23 in the West). It'll help :)

>>133185664
I'll pray for you, my brother. As a friendly reminder, you're always welcome to Church if you're not going already. I wish you nothing but the best.

>>133187087
He knows everyone's fate but that doesn't mean he made them do it.

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Clement of Rome (taught by Peter and Paul himself)
Let us then, men and brethren, with all energy act the part of soldiers, in accordance with His holy commandments. Let us consider those who serve under our generals, with what order, obedience, and submissiveness they perform the things which are commanded them.


Being "submissive" as a man is being like being roman Soldier

>>133186964
Anything can come from God. God tells you to commit genocide or kill your own innocent kid, you're supposed to do it. If God can't commit bad, then he isn't all-powerful.

>>133187233
He created them that way (with that end-fate) (when he could have created them differently or not at all).

>>133187265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac

>>133186633
>yet equally the Apostles said keep the traditions
These traditions are those of Protestantism
>we have passed into you, orally and in epistle
No sir, it is the traditions they passed orally not to me, not to you and certainly not to your priest, but that they passed orally to the Thessalonians to whom that was written. The oral tradition is the same in content as the written.
>Not 1600 years later
Amen! So let us go ad fontes and base ourselves not on the traditions which developed over time but on the unchanging scriptures.
>What of the years prior to the Epistles?
What of them? Did you live in them?
>What about the centuries prior to the Biblical Canon coming about
Of which canon do you speak? The canon known to God, or the canon discovered by men?
>Scripture cannot interpret itself, this is easily shown by Calvin and Luther disagreeing
Oh, so there is no disagreement in East Orthodoxy?
>If Scripture is so clear, why can they not agree about the Holy Eucharist and Communion? Why 20,000 plus sects of Protestantism?
That number is inflated by about 20,000, but the reason is because most people pick and choose what parts of the bible they will believe.
>Even some producing the ultimate heresies of denying Christ as God, like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses
Neither of these accept sola scriptura, they both reject the doctrine and cite their own authority.

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>>133186914
No it applies to all governments to a certain degree. What I mean is just because your govt is unjust it doesn't mean you can just go around iwlly nilly and steal and murder and commit adultery. You must be subject to governing authorities and respect them. However Esther and other situations in the bible show that you have the okay from God to rebel, but only to reestablish Law and Order because the previous civil authorities refuse to carry out the law

>>133187360
No, he created them truly free. He can see the future and knows what choices we will end up making.

>>133187546
Exactly. Someone hears a voice that tells him to kill his own innocent child and he goes to do it, because he thinks it's from God (and it is!).

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>>133185909
Orthodox here, God bless you. I was raised RCC, then was athiest for over a decade, but by God's grace He has embraced me with love.

>Here are some questions I have:
>Where do I go to learn more about Orthodoxy?
https://oca.org/orthodoxy
On Amazon, check out "The Orthodox Way" by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware. It's a good introduction :)

>Is it truly closer to the original faith than Catholicism?
I came to God and His Church from 14 years of atheism. From my love of History, God worked, and via historical, objective analysis tracing Christianity from the modern age to Pentecost, I found it highly likely (and I believe as fully true now), that the Orthodox Church is the Church established by the Holy Spirit on Pentecost and preserved unchanging to this day, as Christ foretold.

>Will it seem familiar to me as a Catholic?
Fairly, yes. Orthodoxy is inherently Liturgical, deeply so. You'll notice differences in Communion, the position of the priest relative to the Alter, and that we all stand, as continued from ancient Christianity. Take it in slowly, God will guide. You'll partake in the coming together of creation and eternity, and in worship of God with the angels and Saints, thanks be to God.

>>133182146

I never heard of this theory before ... good job

>>133187828
He saw into the future BEFORE he created them, right? So he knows their end-fate BEFORE he creates, right? .... and he then creates them that way (when he could have created them differently or not at all), right?

>>133182146
God commanded genocide against tribes with other God/Gods. What did he have to hide? Why did he make it so people began to worship out of fear and not love?

>>133188221
Courtesy of Ellen G. White. I highly recommend her writings, even for those who aren't SDAs

>>133188465
Didn't she deny the personality and deity of the Holy Spirit?

>>133188413
He decided to eradicate those tribes because they were evil beyond any hope (as was the world right before the flood). He wasn't hiding anything, he determined that the world would be too corrupt with those tribes still alive.

>>133187651
How do you think Scripture was made, and the Bible put together?
You're being awfully fantastic.

>>133188567
Yes. God = a holy spirit. Jesus = a holy spirit (except during his earthly ministry). The holy spirit is simply the manifestation of God and Jesus's omnipresence

>>133188241
Yes, God determined that he wanted people, not machines, to worship him. He knew that there was risk inherently in doing this. Still, he would rather be surrounded by creatures that truly love him by choice.

>>133188678
Ah, okay, I get confused when sometimes God lets people rebel and when he just kills them. Also, there was no global flood, idiot. The Chinese, etc. had functioning civilizations and weren't wiped off the planet.

>>133176386
too many "Old Testament" Christians as it is

>>133185575
>the snake did not lie about that when he spoke to Adam and Eve of the Apple making them more like God

>4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5

>Be immortal
>Eat apple
>Stop being immortal
>die

How did the snake not lie ?

>>133189014
There's no real choice or freewill though with an all-knowing God that knew 100% your end-fate BEFORE he created you and then creates you as such (when he could have created you differently or not at all).

>>133189226
There never was a literal Adam and Eve. That's backwards nonsense the Muslims believe.

>>133178915
there's this little thing called grace that "Old Testament" "Christians" don't get

>>133189234
Once again: Just because God know's what choices we'll end up making, he never forces us to make those choices. It's entirely our free will. No real choice implies that he's making the decisions, not us.

>>133188842
Well that's heresy and non-Christian. Congrats, you've destroyed the Holy Trinity. I really hope you're not Christian trying in vain to explain God.

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>>133188413
When man worships love he worships himself. People have tried "peace and love" for a thousand centuries and it always winds up with them killing and torturing each other. People who preach about tolerance are no more enlightened about contrary viewpoints than the worst of zealots, because otherwise they would realize that sometimes other people want to hold onto their beliefs SOLELY out of stubbornness. God is not a fool. God is not going to play a rigged game, groveling at our feet and hoping that we see it in our hearts to put ourselves aside and listen to reason. He is not going to bow down and furnish us with everything we need to not betray Him. When a group of people hide away and decide to start believing bullshit as hard as they can, and they get away with it long enough to raise a generation and feed it that bullshit, it's game over. Otherwise we wouldn't have backwards nations like North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, and every nation that is not the US. You can't just walk over and expect them to realize that everything they identify as is fucking retarded and to renounce their ways on the spot for you. They'd sooner kill you for making them feel bad. It's bad enough that mankind tolerates that shit. If you expect God to be fine with the fucking dust he raised from the ground turning against Him then you must believe in a very weak fucking god with no self respect. He is going to tolerate betrayal as much as you would tolerate a huntsman spider in your bed. The only reason we don't see more civilizations getting smote is because humanity is meant to crash and burn in the first place.

>>133188713
>How do you think Scripture was made
Well, it started when some Jews took pen to papyrus
>and the Bible put together?
The formulation of the canon was post hoc. We can say there are two canons in the same sense there are two Churches. That is, the canon known to God, and the canon known to man. God's canon is infallible and begins with the writing of scripture, man's canon is fallible (though capable of inerrancy) and is collected after the reception. If we define canon as the list of scripture, then man's canon increases every time the Christians recognized the inspiration of a writing (which was a passive action). As such, one must have scripture before they have a bible. The way one recognizes scripture, is that God graces them with a new heart that believes God and is saved, so God, wanting to communicate with His people, lets them recognize His word. Therefore, the canon is a byproduct of revelation, not a thing itself revealed by God, and as such no earthly body has the authority to bind a Christian's conscience to a specific list.

>>133189561
how do we know he knows the future? does all knowing extend into the future as well?

>>133188842

Isnt the sda a church who beliefs in the trinity? we got 2 holy spirits now ?

I got a question,

was Democritus thinking of Adam and Eve when he came up with the greek word Atom?

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>>133189209
Matthew
>I came not to abolish the law
Romans
>Do we abolish the law. God forbid we establish the law

>>133189642
No biblical or theological reason to refer to the holy spirit with male pronouns

>>133189350

Then why would there be a literal jesus ?

>13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

>>133189806
SDA is actually mostly trinitarian today, but originally they weren't

>>133190037
do you isolate your woman in a period tent during the uncleanness of her cycle?

>>133190327
no we give her super female vitality

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>>133190327
Well noI don't have that issue in my house but it is a very good idea. Do you know HOW DIRTY a woman on her cycle is? The law stays in it's intent, as in Moshe's intent

If you don't like the law take it up with Jesus and the Apostles who said the law STAYS.

>>133190242
Except the fact He is the third person of the trinity, and the Lord God.

>>133190517
fuck that I don't want to sacrifice lambs on passover :(

Also God is photons
http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/Sermon9sacrifice.htm

>>133190301

Humz interesting , i always had doubts with trinity because its a human concept , how about the pork thing ? is that something new also?

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>>133189658
The Church is Christ's Body, hence it is indivisible, physically and spiritually. To say anything else is Nestorianism.
Scriptire was divinely-inspired and written in the context of the Orthodox Church, within the Orthodox Church, by the Orthodox Church. It was not written in a vacuum, nor in isolation. You cannot divorce one from the other, it's historically and faithfully wrong to do so. What you just wrote is your opinion. Go and check it against the Church and you'll see what's correct and incorrect.

You rebel, yet your rebellion is 500 years old against a corrupted institution that itself broke from the Church about 450 years prior. They warped Holy Tradition for worldly uses and fell into heresy, from which you fell further still. The end of 2 Peter tells you not to interprets Scripture personally, pre-empting you.

As far as authority, Christ have His Apostles authority, and this was through the Holy Spirit. This was passed on from them to their Disciples as the established the Church and set up Bishops, and so on. All found in Acts and various Epistles.

And yes, Orthodoxy is one. Many branches has fallen from the vine, yet the vine still is fruitful, thanks be to God.
Protestant and Roman Catholic worship might be "valid", but they are not "authentic" Christianity, and they go against historical Christianity. Authentic is one, unchanging, and that is Christ's One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Orthodox Church.
May you come home and see.

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>>133180986
I would recommend Jeremiah movie from the Bible story series, solid acting and heavy nostalgia of the 90s

>>133175694
I'm starting to like traps and interracial porn. Is this healthy for me?

>>133176386
Usually, when someone picks up the Bible, the read Genesis, get tired/bored, and then flip ahead to Revelations to read about dragons and sheit.

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>>133190739
>sharing links
What a pleb.

The intent. Do I need repeat myself? Are you that dense?

>>133190978
>not imagining filthy sex with Eve

My genesis pages are sticky

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>>133183288
Check'd and agreed, the Body of Christ is One. Join us on the /christian/ discord. God Bless.

>>133175694
Jesus was an edgy cunt wasn't he

>>133191063
yeah bro, I don't get a word you just said. Are you one of those altar boys?

>>133190759
Two things:

1) SDA believe the clean vs. unclean meats existed prior to the Mosaic Law, and is therefore still binding (as Jesus' sacrifice made null only the Mosaic law). The evidence for this is the fact that the Bible mentions clean vs. unclean animals on the ark (long before Moses).

2) Many (about 30%) of SDAs are vegan or vegetarian. While they don't believe this is mandatory doctrine, they encourage it as the objectively healthiest diet overall, and the diet of Adam and Eve before the fall

>>133190682

Acts 7:55
>But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

This verse always hurts my brains when i think god is a trinity

>>133189561
He knew what our "choices" would be BEFORE he created us (when he could have created us differently or not at all), he already made your choices for you if he already knew what you would do BEFORE you were ever born and then created you as such (when you could have been created differently or not at all).

>>133191568
My brain always hurts when I think how Jesus never wrote anything himself, yet he wants us to follow his "word"

>>133191483
>The evidence for this is the fact that the Bible mentions clean vs. unclean animals on the ark (long before Moses).
So they disregard God's revelation to Peter?

>>133190884
>The Church is Christ's Body, hence it is indivisible, physically and spiritually. To say anything else is Nestorianism.
Do you think the Church is the literal physical body of Christ?
>Scriptire was divinely-inspired and written in the context of the Orthodox Church, within the Orthodox Church, by the Orthodox Church
If this were so, why would the Orthodox Church contradict scripture?
>It was not written in a vacuum, nor in isolation
Indeed, but the context it was written in was not the 8th century Byzantine Empire
>What you just wrote is your opinion
What I just wrote is objective fact
>Go and check it against the Church
No thanks, I'll check it against the scriptures instead.
>You rebel
I rebel in the same exact sense as our Lord did against the pharisees.
>The end of 2 Peter tells you not to interprets Scripture personally
Disregarding the self-refutational nature of that statement, as such a command would need to be personally interpreted in order to be understood as such, it does no such thing. Rather, it tells us that no prophecy of God came into being as a result of the prophet's interpretation.
>This was passed on from them to their Disciples as the established the Church and set up Bishops
If the authority of the bishops is the same as that of the apostles then why do they not receive revelation? Why do they not write scripture?
>Orthodoxy is one
It may be one, but it is not unanimous.
>May you come home and see.
I hope the same of you. I'll pray that God convert you.

>>133191483

What do you think of the peter thing then

>9On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

And it ended with peter eating gentile unclean food

>3Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

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>>133191809
It's simple fellow anon, God is Spirit. There is a spiritual dimension that you cannot see, but is very real. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. God counts faith as righteousness. Seek with all your heart and you will find, fellow anon.

>God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

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-Why don't most Christians realize that worshiping Jesus (a human idol) is against their supposed first commandment?
-Jesus was a jewish man and teacher who was rumored to also be a (orthodox) prophet.
-Jesus taught spirituality and that love is the answer.
-The "Romans" and (((Zionists))) crucified Jesus for going against the Roman Catholic church.
-Roman Catholic Church says the Jews killed Jew Jesus.
-(((Zionist))) Jews deny the existence of Jesus.
-Jewish community crisis ensues between followers of Jesus, (((Zionists))), Orthodox Jews, and those who turn over to the church in fear of being crucified.
-The Vatican creates propaganda history book with truth, pagan symbolism, Egyptian stories, and fabricated lies to silence/hide Egypt's history from the public of the Holy Roman Empire.
-Jesus didn't want people to worship him and was against the church.
-Courthouses of today require you to swear on the Bible. The U.S. President has to swear on the Bible during his inauguration. Think about that.

>>133191618
God have us absolute free will. Unravels all your nonsense. The problrm is that your thought is rooted in bad theology from the medieval Roman Catholic Church, which skewed Augustine greatly.

He loves us, he does not want submission. We aren't Muslims. Thus, He knows we might turn away from Him, and wants is,rather to be as He intended and love Him, but again, He loves us absolutely, hence free will.

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>>133192292
>-Why don't most Christians realize that worshiping Jesus (a human idol) is against their supposed first commandment?
Why don't you realize that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came in the flesh?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

>>133191821
I find it funny that Christians today think this vision is simple to understand and yet it confused Peter greatly.

The vision is God's way of showing Peter that the gospel was to be given to the gentiles (unclean) and not just the Jews (clean). What happens after the vision? Peter understands the true message of the vision ( Acts 10:28). Notice he says "anyone" and not "anything"

>>133192288
a spirit like a ghost?
or a spirit like I felt happy or sad today?

>>133192220
>>133192445

also "ate with them" in no way necessitates unclean food

>>133192673

But its implying it , peter ate with the gentiles , he ate gentile food thus probably unclean food , god gave him the go ahead with the vision

Matthew 15
>Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Jesus could not eat unclean food because he was still under the law

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>>133192070
>Do you think the Church is the literal physical body of Christ
In the Scriptures the Church is called the Body of Christ (Rom 12; 1 Cor 10, 12; Col 1) and the Bride of Christ (Eph 5; Rev 21). It is likened as well to God’s living Temple (Eph 2; 1 Pet 2) and is called “the pillar and bulwark of Truth” (1 Tim 3.15). We also eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood weekly, that we may have life, thanks be to God.
The Church is one because God is one, and because Christ and the Holy Spirit are one. There can only be one Church and not many. And this one Church, because its unity depends on God, Christ, and the Spirit, may never be broken. Thus, according to Orthodox doctrine, the Church is indivisible; men may be in it or out of it, but they may not divide it.
So, yes.

>If this were so, why would the Orthodox Church contradict scripture
We don't. Scripture is completely in Communion with the Orthodox Church, and vis-versa. With that assumption of yours, you need to provide your evidence. 2 Peter, Galatians 6-12 off the tip of my head go against your preaching.

>Indeed, but the context it was written in was not the 8th century Byzantine Empire
Yes, it was written in the first century AD of the Roman Empire, and compiled in the 3rd century. Many letters were discarded as inauthentic, were they Scripture? How did the Church know that? Holy Tradition. No idea where your ignorance is pulling 8th century from.

>No thanks, I'll check it against the scriptures instead
Again Calvin, Scripture cannot interpret itself. Otherwise you're not allowed to contemplate it, as you're not required. Why is Calvin allowed to interpret Scripture if it can interpret itself?

What you really need to ask is:
>"why are my ideas no older than 500 years?", and,
>"would I be allowed Communion in the ancient Church?" (No),
>"Would the Apostles recognize my Church?"(no)
>"Would they be allowed Communion?"(no)

Lord help your self-righteousness.

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>>133192070
>If the authority of the bishops is the same as that of the apostles then why do they not receive revelation? Why do they not write scripture?

Jude, the faith once and for all delivered unto the saints. No new revelation, no rivials, no second Pentecost/outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Fathers have libraries of homilies, go read that.

>>133190902
Thanks for the recommendation God bless

>For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

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>>133192445
How has it been historically interpreted? It's both, Christians aren't Judaisers, that early heresy exists again today in you.
You want the ancient interpretation, go find the Orthodox interpretation of it.

>>133175694
2 questions,1 will donald be the last president before Armageddon? 2 does this relate to him 1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first."

>>133193687
>We don't
So then you believe that a sinner is reconciled to God by faith alone?
>Many letters were discarded as inauthentic, were they Scripture?
They were discarded as inauthentic because they were inauthentic. If Romans were discarded as inauthentic, that wouldn't make it so.
>How did the Church know that?
The divine gift of discernment.
>No idea where your ignorance is pulling 8th century from
That's when Greek tradition ceased development, in reaction to the conflict with Islam.
>Scripture cannot interpret itself
Why not?
>Why is Calvin allowed to interpret Scripture if it can interpret itself?
When we say scripture interprets itself, what we mean is that we interpret scripture in light of scripture. We don't read a passage and go "Well, it can't mean what it says, because the traditions says so and so", no, we let the word speak.
>>"why are my ideas no older than 500 years?"
I read the fathers regularly, and I have found every belief of mine in them. But, even if they were all against me, it still wouldn't make my beliefs 16th century novelties, since scripture is before them all.
>>133193968
>Jude, the faith once and for all delivered unto the saints. No new revelation, no rivials, no second Pentecost/outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Amen. So then no revelation of canon in the 4th century

>>133194810

It has nothing to do with anything trump is just a guy , the second comming can be at any time now or in 50 years

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>>133194810
https://www.youtube.com/embed/q4-vKIfAhsQ?start=630&end=1231

>>133190940

Read theology of the body

>>133175694
God Bless you OP.

Reminder the DR Bible is where the KJV was plagiarized from.

>>133191618
Your problem is you're assigning time to God. God exists outside of time. Saying he knew the decisions before they were made doesn't make any sense, because the very concept doesn't apply.

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>>133195073
>https://www.youtube.com/embed/q4-vKIfAhsQ?start=630&end=1231


Oy vey give me money

>>133192658
think about you, you have a meat body, a spirit that is going to leave your body, and a soul that comunicate with God and all of them arent the same, they form you, but each of them can be separated

>>133190517
>intent
>in tents

really makes me think, desu

>For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

we really shouldn't try to make things too complicated and should not try to rebuild those things which Christ Himself tore down.

>>133190453

feed her a steak is the right answer

>>133191483
>1) SDA believe the clean vs. unclean meats existed prior to the Mosaic Law, and is therefore still binding (as Jesus' sacrifice made null only the Mosaic law). The evidence for this is the fact that the Bible mentions clean vs. unclean animals on the ark (long before Moses).

wasn't Genesis written during captivity in Babylon?

>>133195073
How does this apply to my question?

>>133194815
>So then you believe that a sinner is reconciled to God by faith alone?
>alone
Nice try. Faith alone is dead, per Scripture. On "Faith Alone", it can be understood in a fully Orthodox sense. We are not saved by the merits of our works but by the faith that drives us to do them. But without those works the faith is dead. And a dead faith cannot save. So in all honesty, the wedge between faith and works is a false dichotomy largely driven by a misreading of St. Paul within the context of a legitimate protest against Roman theology.

>The divine gift of discernment.
Which is by the Holy Spirit, which is with His Church and doesn't change.

>That's when Greek tradition ceased development, in reaction to the conflict with Islam.
Oh Jack White, when will you learn? You mean Iconoclasm? Orthodoxy is alive and flourishing, we aren't "fossilized" in the 8th century, as you imply. We're Protestants in the shoes of Orthodox in the 8tu century, they would not have survived and Europe would be Islamic more than today... that situation itself in part due to Protestants keeping faith instead of being worldly (not).

>Amen. So then no revelation of canon in the 4th century
Who said canon was revelation? Go read Saint Athanasius and why he chose such Scripture. You're miscontruing the word "revelation".

Only Roman Catholics have a dogmatic, official canon. Both you and then removed books from the Church canon.

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>>133194815

>I read the fathers regularly, and I have found every belief of mine in them. But, even if they were all against me, it still wouldn't make my beliefs 16th century novelties, since scripture is before them all.

Your beliefs aren't Scripture, but how you interpret them, which is in light of your ego. The Fathers interpreted them in light of Orthodoxy, the Church, ahdvtgat us True. That Patristic Consensus is what has helped the Church overcome Satan and his heresies, including yours of supreme individual autonomy over the communion of the Church. Protestants point to Saint Augustine, yet his ideas on pre-destination or Origen's on the immortality of the soul are unorthodox, as they are innovative ideas not believed everywhere by Christians at all times. Just like your ideas of Iconoclasm, sola Scriptura, and the Church not being physical or some "mass apostasy".

I need to sleep. Learn humility, quit your pride. Your own interpretation matters for naught when brought against the light of Christ and all He has guided for 2000 years. Protestantism is confusion and man-made, God is not. God doesn't change, thus seeing anything from the Reformation is not from the Holy Spirit, but men.
Ultimately, if you're so set on your own righteousness, it shouldn't bother you to go to an Orthodox Liturgy and ask questions after. Convince them to join your particular faith:)

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>>133191821
>>133192220
God did not make unclean foods clean
Read the rest of the passage

He tells you what the vision means

Acts 10:17-19
17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, 18And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. 19While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

>>133198242
What does historic Christianity say?

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Back in my day, here is what this website thought of you guys.

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>>133198242
ALOHA SNACKBAR FAGGOT

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>>133198629
youre allowed to do whatever you want in the new testament

but the foods are still unclean

its like eating rats theyre not clean food

god didnt make the old testament for no reason and then say NOPE NONE OF IT MATTERS ANYMORE I WAS JUST KIDDING

it actually all matters and youre still supposed to follow all of it even as a christian and basically get rewarded for it to the extent you do it and teach it

it has nothing to do with whether you go to hell or not though. youre not being a hypocrite if you dont follow the old testament stuff you just dont feel like it

but youre still supposed to

>>133198860
Back in the day SJWs didn't exist. (assuming you're not a new shit).
Also, 4chan quickly started to hate fedora cucks.

>>133198026
>We are not saved by the merits of our works but by the faith that drives us to do them. But without those works the faith is dead. And a dead faith cannot save
Is faith made alive through good works, or are good works the natural expression of a live faith?
>So in all honesty, the wedge between faith and works is a false dichotomy
It is a dichotomy made by the authors of the New Testament
>Jack White
What?
>You mean Iconoclasm?
No, actually, I don't
>Orthodoxy is alive and flourishing, we aren't "fossilized" in the 8th century, as you imply
Eastern tradition is certainly older than Roman tradition, which continued to run wild without the pressure from Muslims.
>Who said canon was revelation?
So if it isn't revelation from God, then how is it a thing derived from episcopal authority?
>Only Roman Catholics have a dogmatic, official canon
So then we have no disagreement on the nature of the compilation of the bible?
>>133198097
>Your beliefs aren't Scripture, but how you interpret them, which is in light of your ego
The scriptures are perfectly clear. My interpretation is the same as the authors of what I interpret.
>The Fathers interpreted them in light of Orthodoxy
The fathers interpreted it in light of itself.
>That Patristic Consensus
The only things on which the fathers have consensus are the essentials of the Christian faith (monotheism, trinity, sola fide etc.)
>Protestants point to Saint Augustine, yet his ideas on pre-destination or Origen's on the immortality of the soul are unorthodox, as they are innovative ideas not believed everywhere by Christians at all times
A great many biblical truths were lost for long periods of time. That doesn't invalidate their truthfulness.
All of these truths were recovered in the Protestant Reformation, and we have them all today. They are no innovations, but were lost and recovered.

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>>133199177
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

RABBI SAUL SAYS OTHERWISE

>>133199200
I actually didn't really mean any offense, just an insomniac with some bad nostalgia going on. It's just fascinating to see how things have transformed over the last 12 years.

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>>133199321
you keep taking verses out of context thats talking about eating foods offered to idols because you believe in god so what difference does it make a idol is a worthless graven image

but a fellow young believer might not understand that and think youre basically being satanic by eating that

and get confused

>nothing unclean of itself

so raping kids is not unclean

makes perfect sense

>>133199573
Seems pretty dirty to me

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"back in the day" most people on this site (and in the West in general) hadn't realized that Christianity is the only way to maintain European identity groups in the face of ZOG

Hint: if you get the cultural importance of Christianity to the West, but you just can't believe it, believing something due to logic isn't a requirement for having faith.

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>>133199247
>>133198026
a dead faith does save you freaking heretics

Romans 4:2-8
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

>>133198242

Now i am in doubt again , when in doubt choose the righteous path then you never can go wrong , no more unclean foods for me

I'm sure you've been asked this a million times, but how do you justify being racist and nationalist?

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>>133201420
you just basically treat all people with respect and be nice to black people and everything but you prefer to live in a white country

its not evil

you say i want to live over here with less crime and people who look like me, i dont see how this is evil

Nehemiah 13:3
3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.

>>133199996
Truth, it took me a while to grow up my edgy atheist side.

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there is no god

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>>133202118
Brother, it's you again! Join us on /christian/ discord.

>be Christian LARP
>don't fully understand the religion, approached it from a logical perspective
>think it's a game and my side/denomination is winning
>all others are heretics, regardless of faith
>shit on protestants, baptists and anglicans for having an 'easier' path

these guys can't see the forest for the trees because they tried to approach a religion from a logical, rather than divine perspective.

It's fantastic that ya'll have found a religion but please chill out on the persecution of your fellow brothers

>>133202697
>ya'll
Persecution cannot end until you stop typing that.

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>>133202576
Adam walked and talked with God face-to-face, yet he still disobeyed God. People saw Jesus Christ the Son of God who came in the flesh face-to-face, yet they built a cross and nailed Him on it. What's your point?

>>133202777
sorry sweatty bt thats not how things work around here xD

>>133202697
I'm European, Catholic. We never had Protestant wars here. We merely fought elsewhere against them. Then those damned Protestants came up with the industrial revolution, feminism and modernity in general. Now they're pushing for EU and destruction of everything we value. I don't see fellow brothers anywhere in that.

>>133203000
nice numbers

>>133203000
Why do you oppose the industrial revolution? Also both feminism and "modernity in general" are essentially creations of the Jew, not Protestant Christians.

>>133202867
>xD
Are you trying to be retarded?

>>133203980
>both feminism and "modernity in general" are essentially creations of the Jew
Go read some 19th century Scandinavian literature and then tell me that with a straight face. Jew is a catalist for your worst vices. He accelerates, but he doesn't create it.

>Why do you oppose the industrial revolution
Because it ruined the world. After it things stopped having meaning and traditional life was dealt a heavy blow. Localism and living in the countryside became basically unsustainable.
Technology changed so rappidly we, as a species, hadn't had time to evolve and are letting the beasts of technological jungle eat us.

>>133204252
Yes but the Industrial Revolution was inevitable, "Protestants" just did it first. I put "Protestants" in inverted commas because really it was Anglicans, who aren't protestant per se. Oh and the Industrial Revolution had very little to do with religion, it was the result of ingenuity that is inherent to one's being and not thanks to religion, and certainly not thanks to a specific branch of a religion.

>>133205218
Both Protestant and industrial revolutions had a lot to do with greed and absolutely degenerately materialistic state of the soul of north-western Europeans.

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>>133175694
>all are welcome
Odin wishes to inform you that you should live your life in a way that upholds your own standards of morality, respect your ancestors and be honorable, and you will earn the chance to cast down your demonic jewish god, you will earn the chance to be free men, rather than slaves to a kike on a stick

>>133205935
Odin is a meme. Even paganists are embarrased of him when they insist those are just stories that show off important emotions and elements of life.

>>133205935
Your ancestors fucked each other in the ass and warred for nothing. Your personal "standards" of morality are poorly thought out, contradictory, and will never spread if you try to acknowledge other standards of morality at the same time. What a laughably worthless belief system.

>>133206139
of course its embaressing, its an edgy story about edgy things

but they're edgy ideas that every man should know and accept

Heimdallr is best god tho

>>133205468
Objectively wrong, England is Anglican and probably in one of the worst states out of all of Europe and the world. And no Anglicanism is not Protestant, it is commonly referred to as a mid-point between Catholicism and Protestantism. Furthermore, the US (which essentially epitomises everything wrong with the Western world today) is largely Catholic, or at least more so than the Protestant nations in Europe. Oh, and the areas typically seen as more "based", "family-oriented", "traditional", etc. are extremely Protestant - these areas being broadly the South and the heavily Mormon Utah.

The fact is that what you call the "absolutely degenerately materialistic state of the soul of north-western Europeans" can be blamed on two factors, being insanely rich (and therefore living insanely easy lives) and a cancerous intellectual movement that has existed for centuries and mainly propagated by Jews (although yes Protestantism is *somewhat* to blame).

>>133206241
Pagans accept that morality is defined by the individual, and that every man has the right and indeed the duty to fight for what he believes is right

abrahamic faiths on the other hand bicker between themselves to the extreme extent that islam tells you its ok to rape 8 year olds, and certain christian sects tell you to hang people who do this

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>>133206413
>bicker between themselves to the extreme extent that islam tells you its ok to rape 8 year olds, and certain sects tell you to hang people who do this
And pagans didn't do this either? Give me a break...

>>133206289
All I get from your post is that I'm right and finding instances of a traditional family structure somehow should invalidate what I say.

Remove all tech and give us all amnesia of the last 500 years and people who would have been protestants in the past would champion extreme individualism and technological progress at any cost again. It's in their soul. Having fuctional families is irrelevant to that statement.
By the way, American Catholics are Catholics just like Africans are. It's a Protestant nation.

>>133206679
sure they did, but not because >they believed the wrong thing

they fought because they wanted to fight, because there was no reason for that to be wrong to them, religious bickering was almost nonexistent between European pagans

>>133206413
>Pagans accept that morality is defined by the individual
Therefore one objective Truth independent of the observer doesn't exist.
>every man has the right and indeed the duty to fight for what he believes is right
Social contract is violence.

And here we can see why Paganism is mudhuts tier barbarism. Your faith is nigger tier.

>abrahamic faiths on the other hand bicker
No they don't. There's Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Everything else is a heresy that needs crusades.

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>>133206795
>they fought because they wanted to fight
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back in its place. For all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

>>133206952

holy shit nice meme pic

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>>133206875
>Thinking and acting for yourself in nigger tier
>doing what you think it right rather than excusing nigger tier acts based on the group is nigger tier

Lol christcuck, is this bait

>>133206952

thats right, jesus said never to fight for your own endeavers, rather to accept the life given to you and pray it goes away like a slave

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>>133207119
That's not what Jesus said, again you're twisting God Word's because you don't have the Holy Spirit in you. It says those who live by the sword, will die by the sword. You so-called pagans live by the sword, you die by the sword. It is okay to defend yourself as long as the reasons are correct. Read the Bible. God looks at the heart, man looks on the outside.

>>133176650
yeah from Genesis though ... why ?
You'd be surprised.

>>133207119
Most people can't think for themselves. Thinking for yourself is not a human property. It's an exception. Therefore your faith isn't made for humans. It's made only to glorify your own self.
Besides, the real problem is that when you destroy the conception of an objective universe removed from own's perception, you lose the scientific method. You return to a pre-scientific understanding of the world. If your kids grow up pagan, in five generations they won't understand science anymore. Therefore paganism is degeneration.

>doing what you think it right rather than excusing nigger tier acts based on the group is nigger tier
You basically call for violence over diplomacy when dealing with other humans. How is this not nigger tier?

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>>133175694
404 thread from 8ch christian from yesterday

>>133190242
Holy Trinity is real.
Basic example, take a brick, you need heat water and clay to make it.

Same with God, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Like God said he created us in his image, we have body, soul and mind to create us

These, as well as all threads concerning Paganism, are JIDF slide threads.

The DNC emails were copied locally.

>>133207253
"Put your faith in jesus and he will provide for you"
Every christcuck believes this

as for pagans living lives by the sword, fight can mean many things, every day a pagan should fight to achieve success in his endeavers (IE: Try hard) rather than rely on something or someone to help them

Christcuckoldry expects success as a reward for their faith, rather than as the result of their own hard work

>>133207439
Paganism lays the groundwork for creating your own values, its empowering, rather than enslaving, and no, violence for the sake of violence is not a good thing

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>>133207467
At least they were nice enough to try and help you. Even if you were trolling them. Maybe later when you run into some real problems in your life, you'll talk to them and they will be the only ones that are willing to help you.

>You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person. But whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other as well. And if anyone sues you in a court of law and takes away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. (Matthew 5:38-40)

>>133207559
>Paganism lays the groundwork for creating your own values
In other words, what I said - destruction of objective reality independent from perception. Pre-Christian, pre-scientific deevolution.
>its empowering
Marxist buzzword, means nothing. A good indicator that paganism is indeed acceptable to post-modern faggots.
>rather than enslaving
Here we can see a very conception of extreme MUH FREEDUMBS to the point it's unreasonable. The poster is obviously a spoiled child or a faggot liberal.
>and no, violence for the sake of violence is not a good thing
You don't get to make objective claims when your system is subjective. And if that is your subjective opinion, it means nothing to someone like me who believes in objective morality. You're just end up looking like a kindergarten retard flailing about shit you don't understand.

This is seriously amazing. I had a complete rebruttal for literally every word of the last three posts you made. You're one of the most incoherent posters I interracted with recently.

>>133190242
Because it's feminine

>>133207702
sorry dude. but if you would have the eye sight, you would see the quantums everywhere. you could zoom into a person and see all these machines rotating in him, covered in red. you were able to see the back of all the cards in a hand. you were even able to play with the state of matter, thus even lets change the cards in your hand, by making you belief that instead of 4 hearts you have 8 heart. it's all illusion. this is what the devil is going to offer to you, for your service. power of deceit and lie.

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>>133207835
>pre scientific deevolution
Hardly, its removing the peer from the argument, instead of raping kids because your islamic famalam tells you to, you'll go hmm, maybe that kid is having a bad time and I shouldnt be doing this

>marxist buzzword
Yes, but not in this situation, christianity locks you to something chosen for you, paganism gives you the ability to choose for yourself
>Muh freedumbs
You are retarded
>you dont get to make objective claims when your system is objective
I can, because I believe it, just as any other pagan can do the same and tell me that violence is justified even without a reason, and we can debate this

>>133206710
>All I get from your post is that I'm right and finding instances of a traditional family structure somehow should invalidate what I say.
Well yes, that's right. If you can't prove that all Protestants are like you claim, then you are wrong - there must be some other cause of influencing factor.

By the way, I was simply using "traditional family structure" as an example, not the only factor. If you want me to go into more detail, then I will. According to you, Protestants are greedy, technology driven bastards who care little for family, morality, tradition, religion, spirituality, etc. I have shown you that the heavily Protestant southern USA and Mormon USA are the total OPPOSITE of this, and yet you choose to ignore it?

Consider the Civil War. One of the main reasons why the South was so opposed to banning slavery was because they were so economically dependent on it - should slavery be banned, they wouldn't be able to sustain their rural, agricultural economy. And when the north destroyed them and burnt their cotton fields, the South was ruined and hasn't recovered to this day. Not the archetypal greedy, technology-driven Protestants then, eh?

For a European example, consider NRW in Germany. Heavily Catholic, but ask any German and they will tell you that it is perhaps the worst area of Germany - soulless, tradition-less, "progressive", industrial and dirty.

I can see where you're getting your ideas from. It's true that Protestantism can have negative influence on a society. But there are too many examples of where your argument does not hold up.

>>133208010
Sorry, I don't debate subjectivists until they make a good case that bridges the gap between us. Which I've never seen done properly. I just have one word to describe your post - denial. Honestly, you're not smart enough to understand what I'm telling you. Don't throw pearls before a swine. I just hope some lurkers got what I was saying. Move along, shitposter.

Weird to have a thread on something not necessarily politically incorrect on /pol/ but I'm going to take it as a sign that I saw this as soon as I got off work.
I haven't been a Christian in years but I've been trying to pray to no avail for maybe a year now. All night at work I was angry and speaking in my head with Christ, so angry at feeling like I was crippled in life before I was given a chance to lead a good life. I was cut at birth, I was in foster care, had deadbeat parents, and ended up moving in with my father and step-mother who treated me like garbage for two years in HS, and turned into a horrible person, didn't take care of myself, got into drugs, acted all around worthless because I was hopeless and had no guidence. I remember meeting the prettiest girl who was just amazing but I wasn't worth her, and now I'm working a job I hate and only see slutty obese women and I feel like I wasted so much time, I'll never see that girl again. Everything's falling apart and I was angry at God, complaining to him.
I guess he wanted to put me in my place because I started immediately feeling painfully sick after work. Then I saw this thread.
Just wanted to get that off my chest I guess, anonymously. I've wasted so much time and blamed my circumstances. I don't know what Christ wants from me, I believe in God because I keep talking to him I guess but I wouldn't call myself a Christian as much as I want to be. I'm just pulling my hair out at why my life was and is the way it was and is, and I'm angry at Christ and God. I don't know what he wants or why he did what he did with my life (or allowed to happen). I can't get past that feeling.

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>>133208123
Fucking wow
>Freedom of ideas is a bad idea
>Runs away when he cant make a good argument against the reason capitalism is a good idea

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>>133208081
The only reason slavery was allowed in the first place is because it was economically beneficial. North didn't go to war over slavery. Lincoln couldn't care less. The anti-slavery narrative came only much later after winners rewrote history. Your point is moot.

>According to you, Protestants are greedy, technology driven bastards who care little for family, morality, tradition, religion, spirituality, etc. I have shown you that the heavily Protestant southern USA and Mormon USA are the total OPPOSITE of this, and yet you choose to ignore it?
Because I didn't say that. Downfall of the people who would become protestant was always in the race to economic efficiency and radical individualism. This has nothing to do with a functioning family.

>consider NRW in Germany. Heavily Catholic, but ask any German and they will tell you that it is perhaps the worst area of Germany - soulless, tradition-less, "progressive", industrial and dirty
There's a reason for that. It's called Prussia. After its fall Prussians colonized the region and changed its culture for the worse.

>>133208288
Yeah. Go back to plebbit with your strawmans and emojis.

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>>133208521
>Christcucks denying reality

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Sorry to be meta but any regulars able to tell me the difference between the community on Christian Generals and Catholic Generals?

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>>133175694
Saw this one on another thread. :)
Enjoy your night friends.

>>133208652
one is retarded, the other is a special subcatagory of retards

>>133208273
You need to sort yourself out, anon. Change starts with you, that goes for atheists, agnostics, and religious folk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOeO_frzvg

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>>133208687
Amen. And also:

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 5:16)

>>133208462
>Lincoln couldn't care less. The anti-slavery narrative came only much later after winners rewrote history.
I never said otherwise.

>The only reason slavery was allowed in the first place is because it was economically beneficial.
Perhaps, but today the heavily Protestant south is far less industrialised than the rest of the USA, far less economically powerful than the rest of the USA, and far less rich than the rest of the USA. WHY are the like this, when according to you:
>Downfall of the people who would become protestant was always in the race to economic efficiency and radical individualism.
WHY has the American South not gone down this path? WHY has the Mormon USA not gone down this path?

>After its fall Prussians colonized the region and changed its culture for the worse.
Wrong, the industrialisation and urbanisation of NRW began in the late 18th Century before it was touched by Prussia.