Can we do anything for Charlie?

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>>133171279
The das knows what he must do

>>133171279
>prove you shouldn't be dead

what in the actual fuck

>>133171279

the fucking kids dead anyway. let him go peacefully. don't just keep him alive on machines torturing him.

fucking media circus loving pieces of shit.

>>133171279
>Can we do anything for Charlie
No. What the fuck is with people thinking you can bring back the terminally fucked if you hope hard enough like they're Tinkerbell?

I think they're arguing that there is treatment for him but the Brit gov won't let him go for it, IIRC

>>133171279
What? This is take out of context I am sure.

>>133171279
i hate the UK so god damn much hope it burns to the ground

>>133171279
>give us proof in 2 days that your kid should live

The only rebuttal to this should be asking the judge to prove why the fuck they should be alive. What the fuck is this?

>fagestani falling for the media jew
i thought you faggots new better.
really, you really want this kid living on machines his whole life?
not to mention he would have the brain of a retarded infant.
itd be absolutely miserable.
he also has like 0% chance of living with the treatment.

>REEEEEEE VOTE FOR SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE GOY
>DEATH PANELS ARE A RIGHT WING MYTH!!!
k then

>>133172824
Goddamn you are a stupid nigger. The child is terminally ill. NHS can't help him but a hospital in the US is willing to to an experimental procedure on him. The bong government won't let the parents seek treatment in the US even though they are intending to pay for it themselves.

>>133171279
I thought a Vatican hospital had offered to take care of the baby?

>>133171279
You have 2 mins to prove why you, OP, should be kept alive.

>>133171279
Just pray for him. Or do meme magick. God listens.

>>133173908
he makes the threads you post on

>>133173505
The problem with all of this though is that the british government,or at least the part of it that deals with health care, has made themselves the decider of life and death, literal death panels if you will. If the parents want to engage in a foolish endeavor for their kid, thats their right as parents. Can you with a straight face say that a judge asking someone to prove whether or not their kid should be alive is in any way okay? Thats the most fucked up thing I've heard in years. Even though we've all been exposed to increasingly retarded shit on this board, this is beyond any of that.

They should say he's muslim

>>133172301
This confirmed. Seeing someone go out who is being supported by machines is a terrible thing to witness.

here's the news link...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/10/charlie-gard-uk-judge-gives-parents-two-days-to-prove-son-should-be-kept-alive.html

>>133173646
>>133173505
the treatment is supposedly only suppose stop the brain damage from getting any worse.
he'll never not be retarded.
theres no helping him.

He is terminally ill. There is nothing to be done aside from end of life care. Sucks.

>>133171279
Baby Charlie trumps "drowned/bombed" turd world shitskin babies so the kikes want to shut it down literally

>yanks think it's a good idea to keep a cripple alive on machines and fed by tubes for life

>>133174124
I honestly think that this would have worked.

All the dune coons would have to do is threaten to chimpout and religion of peace a few people walking down the street and the NHS would have caved in a second.

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>>133174124

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What is with all these redditors acting like /pol/ isn't 100% behind eugenics?

Charlie's illness is the sort of thing where even if Charlie survives now, he will certainly be dead in five years. His parents are literally wasting their own time and money on a dead end child with no future. If they were smart they would let the little guy go and have another baby.

>>133174390
>britburkas think the government should be allowed to kill your children

>>133174390
Isn't that what the entire Western world is doing?

Cant you just have another kid? Why raise a burden? Honestly.

>>133171279
Literally one step away from the euthanasia of the disabled and mentally handicapped. And somehow the right is supposed to be the fascist side?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

>>133171279

ISIS has promised to take care of the child
Why won't the UK give them a chance, dammit?!

>>133171960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8lwg-NMWjE

>>133171279
Not unless you have a miracle cure and not merely a treatment. As of now he could get help in the US until his visa expires and then he dies. It's like having a kid with down syndrome, just put it down instead of wasting your time

>>133174946
>visa
>british
No

>>133171279
Living hooked up to a machine for the rest of your life is no way to live.

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>>133171279
are the British proof fascism doesnt work?

>>133174491
This
wtf are you people doing?
Worse than keeping those fish scaled freaks alive so they can dry up like a prune and disintegrate after they're born. Those who make it past birth are doomed to live a terrible life with such a shit disease.

>>133175646
I don't blame them. Chinese always fuck up everything at Bondi Beach because they vacation there, and can't speak english, can't read english and always end up having to be saved because they don't read the "don't go any further!" signs.

>>133171279
Poor kid is done.

That said I don't see why the parents don't have the right to try this. It won't save him but he may provide valuable research to help another kid many years down the road from now.

As a father it's hard to read about. I feel for the parents and the poor kid. What shit luck.

>>133175647
All true, but that's not the problem. The problem is the government having the authority to decide who lives and who dies. The parents' attempts to treat him in the US may be futile and hopeless but why does the government get to decide when it's best time for him to die?

>>133176223
Because it is an inhumane way to treat an infant. I don't understand why people do this. It sucks, it really does, but who would want to be born destined to die just when you're fixing to learn about what the world is?

>>133174291

All of that is irrelevant.

It's their son, their choice. If they're paying for it, what right does the gov't have in refusing?

>>133175646
Please tell me this is fake.

>>133176543
because they are not paying for it they want the kid on public healthcare but drag it around the world giving the poor kid experimental treatments that wont do shit

>>133176677
real but australian

.au.gov gives it away

>>133174291
they should be allowed to take their child to the US, it is their child...

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>>133171279
British people are inherently reserved and are never willing to challenge authority. Even if they win their case, the best it could ever do for future parents is *maybe* small legal changes.

British people would never think about the role of the government, or the morality of it all, just the bureaucracy.

I hate this authoritarian shithole

I don't think you guys understand the social aspects of the situation and the underlying play here. Everyone in the situation knows the outcome. The parents, the government, the news media. The kid is gonna die. This is a show entirely made for the public, but not to decieve, but to protect the parents' image.

The parents are morally and socially obligated to do everything they can to try to save the kid. This is not optional. The second they decide to end it, theyassume the mantle of the killer. They gave up on their child. They could have done more, but they didnt. They become responsible for the child's death, not the doctors. They made the call. They cannot in good conscious go down this path, even if everyone else approves. You cant give up on a child, or it implies a lack of love.

So the government steps in, because the doctors know the outcome, but cannot act without permission that will not be given. So the government makes the call. This doesn't absolve the parents of the responsibility of fighting for their child's life, because now they are obligated to fight the government. So they do this dance in public, even though the parents know what the roght decision is.

Ultimately the goverment will make the call, which takes it out of the parents' hands and let them grieve without a guilty conscience. It has to play out this way or the parents would forever lose face in public and it would haunt them forever.

Tldr. The goverment is doing them a favor by allowing them to save face after they made the mistake of taking this into the public eye.

>>133175647
>>133176503
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/doctor-advised-mother-to-abort-tim-tebow/

I'm not perturbed by finances, if the State won't cover the medicine. Fine. They should release the child to the parents and generosity of private finance to the extent charity is willing, and medicine is able.

Only guarantee is in death, but life isn't looking for a guarantee. It is looking for a chance. You're welcome to not play, but condemning others to forfeit is inhumane. Parents gave their child life, let them fight for that life to the extent they are able.

>>133176503
>Because it is an inhumane way to treat an infant.
Then why do you talk like the infant's the equivalent a dog that should be put down? Why does anyone get to decide for another person when their level of 'suffering' should warrant their arbitrary death?

>>133176155
and whos to say that further down the road he can't have his brain damage repaired...

We should be promoting life not death...

>>133176834
The US hospital was offering it for free

>>133177117
digits confirms i am right.

>>133174551
Nobody is killing the baby, they're just letting it die

>>133171279

What the fuck is wrong with uk gov, it's like they want to be the villain, and they don't care to pretend anymore, holy shit! Why are they pushing for the little one death? Are they insane? Give him a chance.

>>133176834
>because they are not paying for it
Neither would your shitty nanny state faggot. It was offered for free.

>>133172301
It doesn't matter if he'salready dead. Even if it fails, testing the treatment on a willing human subject will improve medicine and save potentially save others. Its win-win if he gets the treatment even if all it does is prove that the treatment fails in this particular instance

>>133177351
They won't even let the parents take the child to die at home.

>>133177603
Kinda this though.
Sucks for him, might as well aid us all.

>>133177169
I know but say the treatment works, and it doesn't need a machine to survive, it will forever be a vegetable it will always need support from the NHS, costing tax payers a endless amount of money and untold misery to both the kid and the parents, at the end of the day its tragic that this has happened to them but all we do by doing this is prolonging the child's suffering by keeping him alive.

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>>133171279
That's just cruel. Why do people put up with this much government intrusion in their lives?

>>133177028
Fuck off faggot, the government does not get a say in the life or death of people's children.

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>>133177028
read:the government should be the final decider of who should and who should not survive

I know this is beyond the realm of common law because some bureaucratic tribunal determined that the child should die, but determines the path that all others will follow. This is the precedent that the UK and other nations will pursue because it's too "difficult" to give these parents even the opportunity to find some way to save their baby. It's probably not going to work, but dammit, that's not the point. This baby didn't commit a crime nor did it come into the world wanting to be brought to death's door immediately, but giving up and not allowing these parents, who by the grace of those that saw their plight and gave generously to support them, to save their child is beyond morally wrong.

It's evil.

There's no way around it. The state will invariably determine who is and who isn't worth saving. You've let the government control the right to life and the pursuit of it's protection. It disgusts me and should disgust all those who know of the circumstances.

>>133176543
why talk about something you know nothing about? they raised 1m in donations.
theyre not paying anymore than their taxes.

>itt people who have no idea about the situation
The baby is terminally ill. There's no cure whatsoever. He's kept alive by a machine like an old man who's ready to die. The "cure" that the US hospital offers is hoax. There's no cure for the baby's disease. And while there maybe is 0.01% chance to live the baby would be in constant pain and most likely a vegetable.

tldr; the baby is already dead but the parents can't let go. (which is understandable)

>>133177444
>>133177037
>give him a chance at an incurable disease
>only treatment just keeps baby from getting any more brain damaged than already is
>most likely keep baby alive for another year on machines
Ooooh! but keep the vegetable alive, it's more "humane." You guys are sick.

>>133177758
Jesus Christ you greedy fucking kikes is that what this is all about? You're afraid the treatment might work so then you might have to pay money in the future? After all the fucking pakis and dune coons you willing support with welfare?

Fuck you then, they can stay here.

>>133177953
It's not the government's decision

Stop supporting this nanny-state bullshit, it's bad enough here

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>>133171279
>little tike?
I read this as little kike and thought /pol/ went soft

>>133176927
why? to end their publicity?
they already raised 1m for the kid their just waiting it out now.

>>133177953
It's been said, but these turds only thinking about "muh gooberment trolls." They're giving them hope that doesn't exist, in the end it's just damaging to the parents.

>>133177758
>all we do
There should be no 'we' in this to begin with. The infant doesn't belong to the state. Also it's nice to see confirmation that socialized medicine leads to human lives being decided by their monetary value to the state.

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>>133171279
The most sickening is, that the socialist state doesnt allow the parents to take their kid home to die

>>133172301

It should be the parents choice.

Also medical science test baby.

>>133178195
I'm British you stupid bastard

>>133178138
if parents are basically tormenting their child the government has the right to step in. In my opinion.

>>133177865
>who should and who should not survive
That's not what's happening in this situation. It has no chance of survival. It's already dead, a semblance of life is only being maintained by machines. It can't recover. It's not the government saying "your baby isn't worth saving", it's the parents not accepting that it can't be saved.

>>133171279
mitochondrial depletion treatment will not regrow his brain even if it was 100% successful.
He can't move, eat, breath, see or respond in any way to stimuli.
If the child can theoretically 'feel' anything it is the dozens of seizures that he suffers every day.
If there were a recovery path for this child then this would all be a different story but there isn't. The US treatment program is a miraculous dead end.

>>133177953
Irrelevant. The government has no right. The fact that it even presumes itself to is proof positive that it's crossed the threshold to full totalitarian.

Ahh, it's very unfortunate but Anon was terminally ill so we had to let him go. Do not worry, we have already taken care of the body.

>>133178334
>>133178339
If the baby is brain dead then how can the parents be tormenting it? The infant has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

>>133178035
The infant is as good as dead.

So are you.

You keep hanging on.

But for some reason, your circumstances are not the same because you are in a position to protest.

Somehow anyone petitioning the ONLY option that has ANY potential for a positive outcome are sick. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are even breathing.

>>133178530
What the fuck is there to gain? You can't seriously believe that he will be "cured"?

>>133178731
And what is there to lose? Nothing that should be of any concern to the state that's for damn sure.

>>133173454
>Ask judge in court why he/she should be alive
>Taken as a threat
>50 years in prison

Asking the parents this is like going up to someone and asking why their kid or family member should be alive and if they don't get the answer right they're taken to be killed.

>>133173630
At least we'll get this argument out of the poor little buggers life. So he was able to do something good

>>133178339
The government should not be the final decision on shit like this ever. Let the parents be as stubborn as they want, especially if it wont change the outcome. Like fuck, I would be livid if this was my poor sap of a child and the government said 'soorry bud, its got no chance and even though there are offers for some experimental treatment we arent gonna let you try em'. I'd probably end up in jail for attempted murder at minimum by the end of it all. God damn, least give the experimental treatment a shot so that way the people running the experiment have some data for future cases. Everything about this is tragic but it is far more retarded and foreboding than it has any right to be.

>>133177865

This

Sounds like some people enjoy wasting taxpayer money.

>>133174491
Thos child will survive and will be a great hostorical figure

>>133171279
Yes. Let him die. God loves Charlie so much He wants him back. Let him go.

In healthy societoes wjere people accepted that people die, Charlie would be long gone.

The problem is that his crazy bitch of a mother doesn't understand that some humans are born defective and refuses to believe her baby is dying. She thinks this is some Hollywood movie starring herself.

Tell her to get started on a replacement, if she wants a kid that badly, and shove her attention whoring up her ass.

>>133178921
>let's give this half-dead baby some random ass treatment
>maybe he will have a brain activity and be a proper vegetable now

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>>133178530
>brain dead
>has something to gain

Yeah he might win a lottery or something

>>133179161
>taxpayer money.
Except it isn't. The American hospital is doing it for free.

>omg gubmint stop wasting our money on stupid shit
>OMG GUBMINT WHY WON'T YOU THROW OUR MONEY AT THIS POTATO
/pol/

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>>133179302
>hospital
>doing something free
So the workers are doing it free huh?

>>133179251
The government has no right to comment on a citizen's private medical care, especially private medical care done on the other side of the planet.

Not an argument.

>>133178921
It's not even a human if it's brain dead. I'm not even trying to be edgy or anything but at that point it's literally a sack of meat

>>133179251
What the fuck is wrong with you Europeans? Your blind and lazy reliance on the state to fix all your problems and make all your decisions for you physically disgusts me.

>>133176543
The argument is not the cost but that it is unethical to keep torturing the child for the media circus and the moronic parents.

>>133179436
>workers
>he thinks american doctors are paid like coal miners like the doctors in his country
You mean those multi-millionaire surgeons and neurologists? Why yes, yes they are.

>>133171279
S O C I A L I S T H E A L T H C A R E D E A T H P A N E L S

>>133179479
>>133179506
is it legal in america to spend time with your baby's dead body? Like carrying it all over and shit?

>>133171279
His DNA is rotting you retarded cunt.

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>>133171279
>Can we do anything for Charlie?

Yes. You can find the money needed keep the kid on the machines that keep him alive.

But that would require work on your part. I'm sure you'd rather sit in your basement and complain.

>>133171279
he's a fucking vegetable. Why prolong his fucking suffering? he isn't going to find employment he isn't going to get laid he is going to sit there till he probably dies in his mid 30's.

>>133173739
they did, but socialist liberal British are too proud to let someone prove them wrong.

>>133179487
Then it's the property of the parents. Again, the state has no rights in this. None whatsoever.

>>133179712
Yes.

>>133171279
This is what happens when you have (((government run healthcare))) Remember there is no such thing as "free"

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>>133179712
Yes.

>>133177603
The Doc offering treatment already said it'd be useless.

You don't even understand what the process was.

>>133179849
>>133179865
You need to find God.

>>133179924
>You need to find God
I see you found yours. Big government.

>>133179924
You need to stop being a slave to the state you sheep.

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>>133171279
>is white
>physically healthy, good weight
>no signs of mental disabilities or autism
>Strong signs of cisgender (choosing to suck on his mums tits and not his dads)
OFF WITH THY HEAD

>>133179724
They have the money but the government still being assholes


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39471712

>>133180041
If he was Muslim the NHS wouldn't dare. Wouldn't fucking dare.

>>133179039
pls take a moment and think about how dumb yout post is, really,

ok, so the doctors at this world renowned children's hospital took the stance that its inhumane to keep the kid alive after looking at all the facts for the last 6-8 months or how ever long this child has been existing in his brain damaged comatose state, he has a condition where he will die, its just when, he cant breath with out machines and is withering away, his parents did not want to face reality and listen to all the experts and raised kick starter money for treatment that was never approved and keep in mind the experimental treatment they want to use is 100% theoretical, it has not even been tested on animals let alone a person, and you take the side that 2 low class bumpkin retards should be able to prolong the suffering of a child, and subject the child to procedures that have less then a single (1%) percent chance of doing ANYTHING just because they bitched to social media and now everyone who knows fuck all about anything is tweeting a fit about this?

you are a fool, and a tool in this event which is basically a modern day witch hunt, lets ignore the experts and the courts because 2 retards dont want to face facts and cried online about it

people are losing perspective because its a kid, but he shows limited brain activity and you have a higher chance of exploding into treats while reading this then he does of ever getting better, is it worth the suffering and precedent this will set for future cases?

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>>133180029
You understand that government is just number of rules that the people in the country have voted for? Without it, it would be anarchy.

>>133178333
uhoh

>>133180245
If he was a Muslim his parents would have used him as a hand grenade by now.

>>133171279
I hope the government wins on this one. They need to set a precedent.

Tired of these parents going into a media circus with their fucked up dead children.

Going to turn into another hartley hooligans or whatever the fuck if that those retards keep the thing alive.

>>133180276
Yeah there are and probably will be even more "treatments" in the future that somehow are able to keep you brain activity alive while you are basically dead. Private Hospitals are going to make fortune out of those idiots who believe in it. That's why the British hospital has to stop this before it even begins.

>>133180245
Muslim brats get fatal blood problems at insane rates due to inbreeding. Nothing can be done for them.

They're allowed to die all the same, all the time.

>>133180286
Which member of the European Court of Human Rights did you get to vote for, Pekka?

>>133180286
Wrong. Unalienable rights cocksucker: life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The government is infringing on all three in this instance.

>>133171279

Since the parents are paying for everything it should be their choice.

>>133171279
Are they trying to keep the little veg alive on the NHS? If so, this is a good start. If it's out their own pocket then why's any other cunt getting involved?

>>133180478
>i hope the government wins the right to tell people how to pursue their own privately financed healthcare for their own children

>>133180666
>Since the parents are paying for everything

big if true
but it's UK, they have NHS there

>>133173446
no Trump has tweeted asking if theres anything he can do to help

>>133180707
It's their own money, and the hospital won't even let the parents take their child to die at home.

>>133180540
>Private Hospitals are going to make fortune out of those idiots
Hospital is doing it for free.

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>>133171279
the judge is prolly a kike

hitler was right.

>>133171279
>saving a white baby's life by performing expensive experimental procedure takes resources away from poor refugees

is what a cucked Europoor will say

>>133180774
>big if true
Well currently it's the UK paying and they have the right to terminate a baby that is braindead however the parents raised 1 mil in crowdfunding to bring the baby over to the US and pay for all the expenses but the UK gov won't let them.

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>1 (one) baby in the uk is dying of a terminal disease and uk decides not to waste any more resources on it since its dead anyway
>trump supporters: WTF fucking big brother government socialism! This is sickening! :(((
>meanwhile they support or ignore trump repealing obamacare because they don't like Obama, even though millions of functioning adults will be put in danger from losing their healthcare

Epic

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>>133174077
NOT GOOD ENOUGH

>>133172301
This. People don't understand it's not "court want to kill a baby", it's "court doesn't want to allow medical experimentation on babies"

>>133171279
stupid retard baby. wasting money to live a few weeks longer.

fucking pointless, get over it you weeping manchild.

>survival of the fittest

not begging and kickstarters

>>133181024
Where can I donate?

>>133181109
Then why won't they let the parents take the child to die at home? Seems a lot like the court wants to kill a baby.

>>133180813
no, its doing it for publicity, the American health care system is quite a gem, they only offered because some bureaucrat high up who most likely does not even have a medial degree caught wind of this story and said they would welcome the precious little child,

its win win, the kid gets better? wow such doctors, much skill
kid dies? well we tried our hardest, if only the dirty filthy British barbarians had sent the little angle to us sooner

its a fucking joke

>>133180732
>i hope the government wins the right to tell people how to pursue their own privately financed healthcare for their own dead/terminally ill children

Fixed that for you. You don't have the freedom to cause suffering on others. Why should you have the freedom to keep a suffering child alive because you can't accept reality? Because you have "money"?

>>133180806
The hospital is more like the kid's home than their house is at this point, fampai. People wanted socialism, this is what it looks like.

>>133176834
Trump would send his own plane if it wouldn't cause an international incident.

>>133171279
He's terminally ill, why the hell should other people be forced to pay for his meaningless life? Sure if they want to pay out of pocket to keep him alive on machines go ahead. But taking taxpayers' money for it is just stupid when the kid has no chance of long-term survival.

>>133171279
Stop being s faggot. Bringing kids in who are this developmentally fucked should be a crime. It's selfish as fuck.

>>133176982
>British people are inherently reserved and are never willing to challenge authority.

and which utopia are you in where you challenge your government and get what you want?

>>133173073
The kid has an extremely rare medical condition where his body cant provide energy to his muscles or organs, most have which have shut down. There is absolutely no way the condition can be cured or even have its effects reduced with treatment. At best, in the unlikely case the experimental treatment works, it'll just stop things getting worse. Best case scenario, Charlie spends a short life as a deaf, blind, crippled infant who will never be able to move or breathe while in constant pain. The parents are, understandably, unable to realise that letting charlie die is the right thing to do, so the courts are trying to order that he be taken off life support. It's a fucked up situation all round. On the one hand the parents are keeping him alive against his own good, but there's no fucking way I think a government should be making the decision for them.

>>133178284
>It should be the parents choice.
>I choose 5th trimester abortion

>>133171279
Ehh how about no? Keeping that white boi alive could probably pay for 100 refugees ...

>>133178123
coming from the US and you're bitching about pepople not wanting to spend money on others heath

>kettle
>negro

>>133181207
Just google Charlie Gard gofundme

They already reached their goal

>>133181305
Because some private hospital decided that this was good opportunity to gain some free press.

Poor parents (and baby) are a chess pieces of big money companies.

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>>133177028
You understand interpersonal dynamics far too well for /pol/. You should actually be in government.

>>133181252
All completely irrelevant. They're offering care regardless and the government has less than zero right to prevent the parents from accepting it.
>>133181262
If it's dead how can it suffer? Which is it faggot?

And good luck arguing that one of the best hospitals in the country with the most advanced medical care on the planet is going to torture someone. Not that is matters of course because if it's already dead it doesn't make any difference.

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>>133175646
>Log your job online before leaving home.

The fuck???

>>133181392
>keeping him alive against his own good
I'm sure the Nazis said something similar when they started euthanising handicapped children. Disgusting European statists who worship government. You deserve the extermination coming to you.

>>133180276
I'm not denying that the endeavor is folly. I'm taking issue with the now larger problem of this case, which is government intervention in private health matters. I want you to really read that line about them needing to prove it has a right to live. Soak it in, digest it. This is the main issue I have. I'm making excuses for the parents primarily because of that. If they want to con a bunch of people into giving millions to a lost cause, that is fine. If they wanna fly their vegetable over the Atlantic to get the same end result as if they had just stayed home, then thats just fucking fine.

But what I dont ever want to fucking see again is instances exactly like this where you have to present a case to a judge whether you or someone you care for has a fucking right to live.
>but its because he's already a vegetable
I dont give a shit. If my tax money is going to my government, that same government better damn well not be the one saying 'you gotta pull the plug unless you state your case'. That right there is dangerous. We've seen all kinds of slippery slopes come true on this board. I couldnt give less of a shit about gay marriage devolving into legal dog blowing over here, but I absolutely dont want this slope to be one of them.

>>133181469
That's why I said he can stay here, where he's already getting all the money he needs by charity instead of theft.

>>133171279
Let them experiment on the infant for science. The cost is already crowd funded so gogogo.

>>133181700
you almost talk like government is not controlling you fully.. I hope you seriously don't think that.

Charlie is brain dead. Pull the plug and left him rest. Even Nazi Germany allowed euthanasia for cases such as this. Stop thumping the bible.

>>133178123
the treatment won't fix the complete brain damage this infant has. it will literally never be conscious, it will never have anything remotely resembling a normal life.

>>133174491
Charlie is their baby, they can't "let him go" because they aren't emotionally there yet, nor should them be forced to.

That said, they want to try a new treatment, and being his case rare, they should just let them and collect the data.

>>133181883
The nazis were statist faggots and so are you.

>>133181796
Yes parents should be allowed to experiment with their child as they want without regard on how the child will end up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pKY8UE0mQ

>>133181229
they dont want to let the kid leave the hospital because he is on a ventialtor and will die with out the machines he is hooked up too, this is way to high profile now for the hospital to not legally cover their ass, maintaining a child on life support is a very complex issue, the kid would die on the walk to the elevator from his room with out a ventilator, so do you expect the hospital to bend over backwards here? send 24/7 nurses equipment to their house?

what if the kid dies and the parents cry foul? at this point thats even worse of a PR nighmare then this shitball already is, they are just taking the stance its inhumane which in reality is is to move the kid just because the parents want to, its for them, not the kid, the kid will only suffer and be put at risk moving him like that, and if the parents actually cared about the kid and not all the principal bullshit surrounding this they would give it a think and understand the hospitals decision

>>133181938
And it is literally not relevant in the slightest. The NHS has no right, period.

>>133181700
Did you even finish reading my post?

>>133181392
>There is absolutely no way the condition can be cured or even have its effects reduced with treatment.


For now and that's is the case with more rare diseases, why? Well because an insignificant amount of people have them and it's not worth wasting lots of money of it but since the parents are now paying if this leads to any kind, even a small scientific advancement on how to treat this disease so be it, it's progress that helps everyone and hurts nobody.

>>133182032
>no right

yet they literally do. as proven by the courts, you moron

>>133171279
Nah. Maybe if we were liberal faggot cucks, they'd listen but the world is getting uncucked, remember? If a baby dies, it's sad and you get thoughts and prayers but that's life, dude. We've got more important shit to worry about, like Islam taking over the planet or Feminists brainwashing our children into denying themselves and becoming suicidal like them.

I'm surprised liberals even consider a newborn "life" - fucking idiots would justify "it can't even communicate yet XD"

>>133171279
Don't pretend any of you give a shit about the kid. Its gonna die anyway. Your virtue signaling makes you as weak as the leftists.

>>133182155
>if this leads to any kind, even a small scientific advancement on how to treat this disease so be it
cures for diseases aren't made like that. this is just money hungry private hospital doing money hungry things.

>>133181972
You fucking idiot I'm libertarian as fuck but this kid is dead. You're clinging to a shell of a body. He is braindead, let them poor kid rest in peace. You're forcing him to suffer because you are a bible thumping retard.

>>133182023
Are the British stuck with the room sized immobile ventilators used in old Bugs Bunny cartoons? My grandpa died from lung cancer at home while on full life support.

>>133182270
/thread


americans discussing other countries healthcare is also pretty hilarious

You are an idiot. They raised the money to hire a medical jet for the flight over.

>>133182215
The same British courts that deny the basic human rights of free speech and self-defense.

>>133182155
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure I can agree with the ethics of keeping him alive just to experiment on him

>>133182155
I like this reasoning. I'm more conservative minded but I hate the idea of a mother and father losing a child. Especially if it doesn't have to happen. It's just the prospect of fighting a losing battle - the inevitability of death.

I think if people want to throw their money at the family to help with research/treatment, have at it! More power to you! I just don't think the system should be changed to force people to fund such a thing. People need to remember that we depend on one another at times of trouble. I think that's something a nazi and a commie can both agree on.

>>133173454
Because the judge isn't just waisting away using tax payers money to be a literal vegetable

>>133171960
>>133171279
>prove that you should be allowed to take a shit in the gene pool
ftfy

>>133173454
the judge can argue against this by demonstrating his amazing ability to breathe on his own and be conscious

>>133182324
>I'm libertarian as fuck
And yet you support the state being allowed to prevent a parent seeking privately funded medical care for their own child on the other side of the planet far away from the state's legal jurisdiction.

Some libertarian you are you teenage fucking sheep. DUDE WEED does not a libertarian make.

>>133182686

They obviously don't care about their gene pool if they're importing niggers and muslims

>>133172301
The problem is that the right is full of "pro-life" Christcucks. The sooner these fags are jettisoned the better. The kid's dead, there's no point in keeping him alive.

>>133171279
Its called euthanasia faggot
Dont taint the fuckin gene pool

>>133178284
Never change.

>>133177603
The problem is that the people fighting for this don't actually care about the medical advances. It's really just Christcuck bullshit about "MUH SACRED LIVES WE GOOD CHRISTIANS" the same way they turned the Terri Schiavo shit into a circus or fight to not allow assisted suicide for terminally ill people because MUH BELIEFS, MUH GOD, DAT'S A SIN. Fuck 'em.

>>133182671
Neither will the child with his privately funded care in America. Sounds like a good argument as to why they should be allowed to leave as they want.

The kid is fucking brain dead. Don't know why is fucking retarded parents are hellbent on keeping his heart beating.

>>133182758
Yes because the parents are retards. This is just unnecessary suffering because the parents are too emotionally immature to acknowledge that their son is dead. He will never live a normal life but spend the rest of his life as a vegetable.

Let the kid fucking rest.

>>133182155
Yeah the findings in this treatment could help curb the after effects of brain transplants in the future.

>"You are evil statist nazis," declares people advocating for medical experiments on a human baby

This thread's a treat

>>133181729
the problem is the headline you are reacting too is a salacious misconstruing of what the judge actually said, (highlighting how most people with a strong opinion on this matter are ill informed and likely read a tweet and formed a rabid opinion)

the judge said they have 2 days to produce new evidence that treatment will benefit the child and the judge will overturn the hospitals decisions to limit the travel abroad for the child on grounds it will only place the child in danger for his health and further his suffering, this matter has gone before the European high court of human rights by the way, this is not the first crack at this bullshit and the EU human rights court supported the hospitals decision after a team of doctors reviewed the case on grounds it would only further the child's suffering.

>>133183319
If he's dead how will he suffer? You can't even keep one thought for an entire paragraph.

Either he's dead and none of it matters or he isn't dead and it could at the very least be medically valuable. Pick one.

Let's remember that the UK is not a free country.

This is why you should fill out a power of attorney and living will form. So fucking Christfags and bible thumping relatives don't force you to stay alive if you become brain dead. I ride a motorcycle and if I get an accident where im brain dead or become a vegetable I want all life support disconnected and for me to fucking rest.

This is Terri Schiavo all over again.

>>133183594
Because doctors believe he can still feel pain. Stop using him as your guinea pig. Let the kid rest.

>>133171279

If the kid was actually salvageable then it would be easy to raise a Max Bernier / Trump style moneybomb. As Anon said, he is brain dead & POTUS has already offered help if it would mean something to the Parents. As such, there is nothing we as Anon. could do to improve the situation unless we have some new gimmick that is more awesome then a POTUS Executive Order.

Rather spend time & money on hunting pedogate / cnn / saudi money laundering / ISIL sex trade

>>133183469
>EU human rights court
The same court that doesn't recognize free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, self-defense, or the right to bear arms as human rights.

>>133182023
those cases are apples and oranges, your grandpa was not a BABY on critical life support with a super rare genetic illness where your cells dont produce enough energy to support their own existence.

>>133183103
So instead of humans respecting other humans based on our shared condition and kinship you'd rather have our value as humans decided by our monetary burden on the state? Yes socialized medicine sounds like utopia.

>>133183845
So then he isn't dead.

And if he isn't dead you're advocating that the government should have the right to determine when people can live or die.

>>133184069
>And if he isn't dead you're advocating that the government should have the right to determine when people can live or die.


I'll take "what is the death penalty" for $10, Alex

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>>133183938
What do you americans know about freedom of press?

>>133177241
the digits have to be at the end of your post newfriend

>>133184069
He is brain dead in the sense that can cannot move his muscles, he cannot speak, he cannot do anything independently and needs to be put on machines to be kept alive.

Fuck off you dumb Christnigger faggot. This kid is suffering greatly because you're a selfish cunt. We treat our animals better than this. Even fucking Nazi Germany with all its cruelty and extremely social conservayive policies thought that suffering should be relieved in cases such as this.

You pro-lifer faggots are insufferable.

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>>133171279
They should die him brown and change his name to muhammad. Then the government would move heaven and earth to keep him alive.

>>133183938
>the right to bear arms as human rights.


this meme is getting so boring now. when will you gun fuckers actually fight back then? you all complain a lot and say you need them to fight when the gubberment is bad, yet mostly you just shoot your bosses and girls that realize you're not worth being with

>>133184238
Ah I see. So what was the child's crime then? He must have done something bad if we're giving the government the same power over his fate as multi-murderers.

Incidentally here's a fun fact: your life is safer from the government in the UK as a murderer than this kid's it.

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>>133184260
good goy

>>133183938
No-one views the right to bear arms as a human right, not even America, the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to everyone without condition.

>>133184387
>pro-lifer
Wrong faggot. I'm pro choice and an atheist.

My problem is the government volunteering itself to decide who lives and dies among the citizenry's children. A right they objectively do not possess.
>>133184260
Fun fact: they mark you down in this for not having state financed media. Go figure huh?

>>133184387
You're as far from a libertarian as you can be. You think someone should have the authority to force others to do and think as you would. You're a statist fuck like the rest of these European cattle.

>>133184825
because state-financed media means that you don't have to rely on clickbaits to get your revenue. Idiot.

>>133184475
Cool strawman
>>133184669
Yes a great many of us do.

>>133180276
Its called having hope...you yellow skinned gravy fry

>>133184952
No you get to rely on the government. How very free.

>>133185104
no, because there are private own medias too of course.

>>133171279
Yes. Never allow single payer in the USA.

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>>133171960
>>133171279
>prove you shouldn't be dead
i like it. we should use this on kikes and niggers.

>>133184825
Then you are an insipid cunt who is for forcing people to suffer an agnonizing existence due to a unamenable medical condition because the parebts are christniggers on the same vein of thinking praying cures medical maladies. Let the kid rest. The parents are dipshit morons who are medically illiterate who are forcing a child to suffer greatly over a false hope.

>>133184924
I don't believe in forcing someone to suffer against their will. Cry more.

>>133171279
ya pull the plug and that the poor fucker die. This is why millennials cant be parents. They are too fucking thick to realize their kid isn't going to be able to recover. Let him die so he can be at peace.

>>133184981
Your arbitrary definition of human rights (a term with an established meaning) is worthless in this debate, you fucking tool.

>>133185183
But I thought private media was all clickbait. Which is it?

Regardless if you think that having government media somehow can make you more free you're as hopeless as all these other communists.

>>133185493
It doesn't make me more free but it does the press.

>>133185275
How do you expect me to believe that someone with barely any nervous system is suffering?
>>133185415
As is your communist, totalitarian, meme-court.

>>133185606
Oh yeah, how? You realize that freedom in this case refers to freedom from the government and from government influence, right?

>>133185899
WHAT DOES IT MEASURE?

The Index ranks 180 countries according to the level of freedom available to journalists. It is a snapshot of the media freedom situation based on an evaluation of pluralism, independence of the media, quality of legislative framework and safety of journalists in each country. It does not rank public policies even if governments obviously have a major impact on their country’s ranking. Nor is it an indicator of the quality of journalism in each country.

>>133185493
To be fair I'd take overt government propaganda over CNN and majority of the MSM in general. State media at least has some kind of interest in the nation, the jew-run American MSM just wants to make as much shekels as possible even if it means burning down the nation in the process.

>>133186035
>independence of the media
Yes and interestingly enough a state funded media corporation like the BBC or CBC is literally ranked as more independent than private corporations.

This really is quite pathetic, he is dead. The only people who have anything to gain from this is the money hungry private hospital and the inbred bible thumping Cletus's and SJW virtue signallers. It really is all just a publicity stunt, can't help but feel for the baby that's caught up in all of this just for the benefit of other people. F

>>133185748
Actually the right to freedom from torture and degrading treatment as well as the right to adequate living standards is in there and it's up to the courts to decide what that is, and if they decide incorrectly we have the right to call bullshit on it which you'll clearly see the majority not doing. But if you just want to throw around buzzwords then go for it, you brain-dead anarchist. Being mindlessly against governments doing their jobs doesn't make up for not having a personality.

Why dont they just take the money from the donations and go to the US?

>Give government power over health care.
>Surprised when they start deciding who should die.
One of the big reasons no one wants government involved in such things. It always boils down to politicians on a power trip.

>>133171279
Why in the fuck is your government allowed to do this? Why are they willingly stopping science by experimenting on this baby for possible future cures.

>>133176834
What's the point of "free" healthcare if you're suddenly going to argue the costs of it, cuck?

>>133187458
>Actually the right to freedom from torture and degrading treatment
Agreed. Now if only they'd figure out freedom of speech, self-defense, free association, and the right to bear arms they'd be making some tangible improvements toward mediocrity.
>as well as the right to adequate living standards
Oh it's another "Yuropoor thinks a positive liberty is a right" episode.

>>133184260
Germany covers up rape and migrant attacks.
UK covers up rape and migrant attacks and even changes the skin tone of preparaters.
Free press. KYS

>>133171279
I would ask the judge why he's asking me that question and not the handful of rich Saudi families keeping their braindead relatives alive in private healthcare facilities like London Bridge Hospital with no questions asked. If it's privately funded and the clinician is doing no harm then there is no ethical reason not to attempt treatment. In fact to do otherwise would be morally reprehensible.

>>133177758
You perfectly explained why USA is afraid of socialized medicine by accurately describing how a death panel works.

>>133187069
>Baby is dead
>Can't help feel for baby

Your cognitive dissonance is shocking.

>>133176677
>>133176922
It was "real" but it was a prank. The url didn't even go anywhere.
>"The signs relating to joggers wearing helmets are not Council signs and are fake. We believe they were put up on Wednesday evening, and our rangers had taken them down by early Thursday morning," a Council spokesperson said

>>133171279
It is obvious that the kid must be terminated. It has got incorrect color for the new, modern and slightly muddy colored Britanistan.

>>133175504
No dialysis for you then.

>>133188825
>Natural protective emotions for children is a vile problem.

>>133181392
well if this is the case then I'm all for letting little billy die. Let him go before you grow any real attachment to him.

t. parent of two healthy white boys (i didn't care for them much when they were infants and wanted an abortion desu)

>>133171279
Do we even have the biomedical capacity to remedy a mitochondrial deficiency?

>>133189688
Read what that fucker wrote first, pleb. You can't have feelings for meat.

>>133189979
If I said I might would you let me treat the baby?

In an ancap society the hospital would do all it could to keep him alive for good PR and customer satisfaction

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>>133189997
>meal
So just fry it up and have a meal, freak.

>>133189688
This spooks me because I currently am reading Brave New World

The only MDDS victims who have survived into adulthood have the myopathic version. If the little meatsack has the version that affects the brain, lil' guy's fucked

>>133188170
Nigger look it up, it's an actual human right. Adequate living standards doesn't mean what you think it means you stupid fucking contrarion.

>>133174141
except for my grandpa who couldn't talk but was happy as fuck.

>>133190223
You've completely missed the point. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of this anon
>>133187069

You shouldn't eat something just because it's meat, anon. Stop making strange strawmen. The issue in this thread is the baby and the moral thing to do is to let the family use their privately sourced finance to seek private medical treatment.

>>133190886
>I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of this anon
There's a reason I posted what I did with the pic I did. This is you missing the point.

>liberals think Trumpcare is going to create
>NHS literally has one

get the american ambassador to get a chopper with life support to take him to america as a refugee from political murder.

get up, go to the embassy and ask if it is possible, then ask the parents if they will comply, then form a mob and help them get to the chopper.

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>>133171279
link faggot

>white british
>have to prove to judge your children deserve to live
>pakistani rapist
>guaranteed british citizenship as a human right

>>133171279
Proof? Uh, I love him cuz he's my kid?

Socialized medicine is cancer.

>>133171279
Since it's UK, just make him Muslim. Then it's all expenses paid

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>>133190927
>Thinks 'A modest proposal' is satire and not outing cannibals in the seat of government.

If only it were satire, anon.

>>133182389
Those are called iron lungs and I don't think anyone has used one in like sixty years.

>>133171279
He might grow up to be the next Hitler, it's safer to pull the plug.

It's quite funny how the motivations of literally everyone involved is crystal clear. The Americans for one just want an example of what they consider failied social healthcare, whether that's the case or not.
I wonder how many people actually give a shit about the kid

>>133181700
>Americans supporting things which should be dead
Really sums up your entire economic policy, huh?

>>133182858
>The kid's dead, there's no point in keeping him alive.
You just proved he's not dead

>>133192172
The parents do and they want to give their child a chance. That's good enough for me.

>>133171960
This is a scary concept.

>>133181729
>that same government better damn well not be the one saying 'you gotta pull the plug unless you state your case'.
Except it's not just your money. It's that of everyone. So you do have to justify everyone giving you money to live.

>>133177028
You left out the part where they raised money to go to the United States to try a new treatment not offered in the UK but the government said they couldnt and told them to take their son off life support/

>>133190750
Tends to happen when you're pumped full of drugs that this baby can't handle

>>133178284
>It should be the parents choice.
sorry nip, you give up this right when you buy into socialized medicine

no responsibility to pick up the tab? no rights to say he lives or dies, thats the states right now

>>133171279
Why is /pol/ so butthurt about this terminally ill baby?

Hitler wouldn't even have given this case a hearing in court. Lebensunwertes Leben.

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>>133171279
>let us waste more money on a child that has no chance of ever contributing to society

No thanks. Just let the genetic fuck up die already.

>>133192172
Lolwut, I just wanted to laugh at what a totalitarian shithole the UK is where you can raise enough money to keep your baby alive in America and a judge can still say "REEE EUTHANASIA IS BETTER BECAUSE I SAID SO FUCK YOU" proving britfags don't even have a right to their own children and the British state will kill you (if you're white) if it decides you are no longer fit to live.

Like what the flying fuck man. The only redeeming parts about Britain is that they've got a lot of Polish cuties while we've just got ugly beaners and and the DUP could force the Conservatives haul ass on their immigration control policies to keep fucking shitskins out. Also the potential for a second British empire, however distant, is something I like.

>>133173505
>>133174291
That's not the point.
The government should not intervene on a family's choices on how to deal with terminally ill members. I agree that the practical implementations can be useful to save money/resources but this sort of intervention should not go without terrible scrutiny. Allowing the government to make a choice like this without recourse from the public would allow for further amendments to the stipulations on euthanasia. In time, the elderly and seemingly* ill children won't stand a chance at the hand of the court.

"Normalization" -word often used by blm- is a powerful tool in the western court system. If the public is blind to law amendments then they are less likely to inquire and report on rulings and proceedings. If there is a finite law in place about court sanctioned euthanasia then people will be less likely to question the verdict, even if it's completely ridiculous.

>>133192933

>nip

Fucking leaf, wrong country.

>>133171279
This shit pisses me off.

These parents scammed $2M dollars to keep a fucking retard some that has an incurable genetic sickness that will kill it in a few weeks alive for a few extra days.

Makes me sick.

>prove we shouldn't euthanize your child

Bravo Britain

>no one seems to realize that both these parents should be sterilized first carrying the gene

>be British
>have (((free))) healthcare
>get euthanized

>>133179775
>he's a fucking vegetable.
>Why prolong his fucking suffering?
choose one, because that's an either-or.

>>133171279
This is why you have more than one kid, some don't make it and it's harsh, but that's life. Life is tough. It's not a bed of roses.

>>133171279
If they kill the kid, kill the judge.

>>133189997
>You can't have feelings for meat.
it's their kid. don't project your sociopathy so hard.

>>133171279
JESUS, ENOUGH
That shit that resembled to a human was broken, just make another one.

Stupid parents cannot move on so they spend time, money and energy and everyone else's trying to fix it.

That is 1- selfish to prolong the suffering of the poor thing 2- irresponsible and criminal (like when social services take your kid away from you if you hit him or overfeed him)

>>133171279
>prove he should be kept alive
Because they have the money to afford the surgery to keep him alive maybe?

>>133182324
He can't suffer if he is already dead.

he's basically a dead sack of flesh.

should have died a long time ago. why are they even wasting money/throwing their resources at him blows my mind.

>>133182858
>The kid's dead, there's no point in keeping him alive.

That's some nigger tier stupidity you just typed.

>>133184045
When you're brain dead and having to be kept alive by machines it's best to pull the plug, yes. When you're going to die anyway it's best to be able to go out on your own terms. The doctor has said the procedure will do nothing to save him. It's nothing but another Schiavo, a cause celebre for religious types to get bent out of shape about.