>/pol/ will defend this

>Uneducated rednecks don't see the value of education

More news at 11

Colleges today are infecting people with autism on levels never before thought possible.

maybe if so many college professors didn't indoctrinate young people into an opposing political ideology, they wouldn't be so mad.

>>133152391
Colleges don't have a monopoly on knowledge.

>>133152527
>education = intelligence!

KYS

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>ignoring the fact that information is free global and open now days
>implying learning a Marxist education is good
>be this deep in damage control

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>>133152527

Selling overpriced degrees in specialties that have little chance at success and driving kids billions of dollars into debt (collectively) IS NOT HELPING.

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>>133152391

>>133152391
No no colleges are bad but safespace pol is good though!

>>133152391
Please explain one career that cannot be learned via Apprenticeship and that the ONLY way to learn said career is via a college education.

Hard mode: You cannot assume (as you always will) that no one will hire without a degree.

>>133152391
But they are bad
Education isn't in itself bad but our universities are terrible leftist indoctrination centers

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Republicans have to keep their sheeple retarded so they keep voting Republican.

>degree in memeiology
>1000000 dollars in debt
>shitty job paying maybe 80k if lucky

Nice meme college is

>>133152391
(((College))) is fucking cancer, trade schools will be the future of education in this nation

>>133152391
its not colleges that are bad, its the current culture in the colleges.

>>133152391
it is bad if they seek to brainwash students into an ideology rather than teaching them how to think and be critical of all things. They generally teach them to be critical of the old ways (white conservatism) rather than all ways

>>133152391
it is. it creates a bunch of dunning kruger idiots who think they are the hot shit while lacking every humility.
in my opinion the best trick of the jews so far. the illusion of smartness makes people very sheeplike

Wait aren't they?

>>133152391
In their current state, much like the current state of journalism, yes, yes it is.

Colleges have become more bad than good, yes.

It's dumb to think institutions can never, EVER be bad.

>>133152391
do you own a computer? have you heard of youtube? its not just concervatives, even liberals think colleges are out of control

>see thousands of videos showing how insane colleges have become

>>133152391

It's crippling young people with debt, and most of them just end up in food service afterwards.

>>133152391
conservatives have always been anti-intellectual. They want to keep the people good and stupid so they're easy to control. I mean just look at the "no child left behind" act. It literally took funding away from schools that were doing poorly, in other words it did exactly the opposite of what the bill's title implies.

>>133152718
Just shut up you faggot leaf

>>133152391
Obviously. Communism is bad for the US. It's been bad or absolutely every nation that tired it, so that's not even worth arguing.

And colleges are communist indoctrination camps.

>>133152527
I bet your educated ass is begging for $15hr too. Go learn a skill or suffer with your debt and woman studies degree.

>>133152391
The future of the human race depends entirely on the quality of our intersectional feminism majors.

>>133152800
Medicine

>>133152927
>30 years old
>high school diploma
>"school is kike shit"
okay nigger

>>133152391
>need to get ridiculous student loans
>spend time constantly being indoctrinated by cultural marxists
>a woman/PoC/LGBTWTFBBQ will take your place anyway because muh diversity

>>133152913
Marxists have taken over and turned what should be an open forum of higher thought, into an echo chamber of Marxism.

>>133153001
don't be rude

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>>133152527
IM 80000 IN DEBT HOW WILL I EVER PAY THAT OFF

>>133152527

Enjoy being governed by the uneducated.

>meanwhile at harvard
"We condemn in unequivocal terms these racist claims as unfit for Harvard Kennedy School and Harvard University as a whole. Granting permission for such a dissertation to be published debases all of our degrees and hurts the University’s reputation … Even if such claims had merit, the Kennedy School cannot ethically stand by this dissertation whose end result can only be furthering discrimination under the guise of academic discourse."

>>133152800
Medicine like the other guy said, as well as law and engineering.

>>133152391
Well considering the sort of nonsense you get taught in college courses that aren't STEM (and even that they managed to get their grubby little hands into by now), they are absolutely right. The actual problem however is that everybody gets told they could and shouls go to college, instead of learning a trade.

>>133153121
I have a stem ma from top10 uni, abduhl. but your exact reaction shows what I described in full swing.
scary how all lessons of western philosophy are forgotten just like that.

>>133153145
yeah, my first comment in hindsight was really just semantics

>>133152391

Right now they are. And I'm college educated.

>>133152718
>>133153174
>>133152718
>>133152751
>>133152853
GUYS OBAMALEAF IS HERE
HIS ASS STOPPED GAPING LONG ENOUGH FOR HIM TO COME BACK AND SIT DOWN
YAY

>>133152527
>liberal arts and political science
>education

>>133152391
It's because a large number of proffessors are globalist SJWs who are operating under Frankfurt School directives to brainwash the youth; and many are actual Marxists. They literally advocate white genocide, and some of them are leftist terrorists like Bikelock.

The solution is community colleges and trade schools which tend to be more nationalist. Fuck the proffesariat.

>>133152391

It's true since academia hadn't given another Einstein or Newton. Fuck Jews for ruining humanity.

>>133152527
Watching you faggots collapse under the debt of your own Marxist studies degree while you're still making my coffee at 40 is all the validation I need.

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>>133153388
>reddit.com/r/cringe

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>>133152391
It depends. Colleges and universities once would educated young people and make them great thinkers or at the very least capable of living life in the world unlike the whiny trigger babies that seem to trundle out of the schools nowadays.

Sort yourself out, bucko. Education is about the individual crafting his or her best mental qualities- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGkQil14LPQ

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>>133153054
>>133153280

All those can be learned through apprenticeships and have been throughout human history up until about the mid 20th century

Honestly the GOP should split. I realize it will never happen but I think it would be better.

The poor, redneck uneducated religious retards should have their own party.

The portion of the Republican party made up of educated well off people is the part that is worth saving

>>133152391
>Huffpo
Its fake.

>>133152993
With a few exceptions, colleges are no longer intellectual institutions. They're training camps for political activists.

>>133152800
Law, most sciences, some (not most) engineering, things that require an advanced knowledge of physics
90% of jobs don't require that level of education though

I'm sitting in a college classroom right now and I couldn't agree more. They're indoctrination chambers.

>>133152391
They are. It's where most Americans lose connection with their past and become agents of cultural Marxism.

>>133152391
>Liberal colleges that teach nothing but identity politics
FTFY

>>133152391
>hey little 18 year old come here and get a useless degree and it will only cost you $100,000 upfront (shh don't worry you'll learn what interest means when you're old enough)
>you'll get to listen to propaganda from certified "Professors" who failed in their field of study in the real world, so they came back here to teach you!
>And when you're done, you'll have lots of minimum wage job opportunities like Best Buy or if you're lucky an unpaid internship writing marketing tweets for some company.
>And when you're working for minimum wage, remember what we taught you: This is the Conservatives fault, not ours.

>>133152391
Almost like a lot of Republicans grew up during a time where they watched colleges becoming a means of organizing treasonous activities and brain washing children to accept Marxism.

>>133153509
>>133152705
Online colleges are the way forward. It cuts-out a lot of the leftist/SJW peer pressure; and you can often just read texts instead of listening to some kike professor's spin on everything.

The globalist/leftist establishment will soon come to hate online colleges for the same reason that they hate independent journalism. Screencap this.

I went to college and took like 5 classes pertinent to my major and like 15 mandatory liberal arts electives
So yeah it's kinda bullshit, go to trade school kids.

>>133152993
In college I learned "fuck off faggot."

The humanities, law schools, social sciences, economics are a zoo.
STEM departments also becoming a zoo, as the commies in university admin forcing post modern neo marxism (SJW) on every living being they can out their dirty hands on.

>>133152575
Literally the only college professor I ever had that talked politics other than to a very limited degree my ethics professor who's most controversial opinion was that you should listen to every side of an argument and try to be a good person was a statistics professor that constantly went on and on about how liberals don't understand economics.

Certain fields naturally attract certain kinds of people and as a consequence professors for those fields tend to match the disposition of people in the field in general.

BUT SO DO THE STUDENTS! A theater professor isn't going to turn a student liberal any more than they're going to turn them gay. If anything outliers are going to be convinced of a particular ideology by their peer groups. You are your friends.

>College
>Government
>Church
>Journalism
>Charity
>Medical
>Law enforcement
If you don't blindly believe and follow these you're an uneducated redneck racist bigot.

>>133152751
Educated =/= Intelligence

A degenerate white liberal with a masters degree in gender studies is educated, but he's not smarter than a plumber or mechanic

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>>133152718
>>133152751
>>133152853
>>133153174
>>133153503
Take your pills, leaf

>>133154060
>who's
whose*

>>133154109
>plumber or mechanic
>HURR DURRR MOVE METAL THING WITH HANDS HURRR IM SO SMART XD

Yeah no. Liberal jobs like writing and art require actual intelligence and critical thinking

>>133152391
I'm not sure how it works in The West (I bet it similar), but there's overinflation of education.
You need fucking masters degree to work at McDonalds.

Colleges aren't neccessarily bad per se, but amount of people that graduate from them compared to other fields is worrysome. This also creates problem of lessening standards of colleges.

I've seen people more qualified for jobs that instead of going to university went straight to the job. 5 years expirience performing job is way more valuable than any degree.

That's because the next generation doesn't need to be educated before working at a factory.

>>133152391
Considering the vast majority are churning out ultra liberal sjw retards with degrees in gender studies which have no real world value, yes, they are bad.

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>>133154280
>according to liberals, this requires intelligence

>>133153519
They didn't have the plethora of drugs, pharmaceuticals and procedures that we have developed and still are today. We've come further in medical advancement in the last 200 years then we have in the entire of human history. Hence why it's necessary to have a college education for medicine.

>>133152882
Memeology would set you up for government service in the USA which would allow you to get forgiveness on that loan.

And 80k is a decent starting salary in the USA converting AUD to USD.

>>133153503
Take your pills

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>>133154060
I dunno man.

>>133152391
>puts people in debt
>doesn't educate people
>communist indoctrination

t. 2 bachelor's degrees earned on full scholarship

>>133154492

We fear what we cannot understand

That's why right wingers have such an irrational hatred for modern art, they are too retarded to wrap their skulls around concepts more complicated than what they see on Fox news.

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>>133154730
You Dems sure spend a lot of time whining about Fox News and assuming everyone you don't like is a network fan.

Why do you fear the Fox News Network?

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>>133154280
>Buzzfeed blogs = intelligence and critical thinking.

>>133154280
>writing and art require
>HURRR DURRR SPELLCKECK ARTICLES AND SAY THAT PAINTINGS ARE GOOD OR BAD

Yeah no. Engeneering jobs require actual intelligence and analytical thinking.

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>>133152527
>education

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>>133152391
>>133152527
They used to be good.
Keyphrase: used to

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>>133152391
>>133152527
>>133155122

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>liberals will defend this
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2cMYfxOFBBM

>>133152751
>TFW true dough hates the poorly educated
Wow that's not very progressive Justin

>>133154993
>Engeneering jobs require actual intelligence

Engineering is at least a white collar job unlike mechanics and plumbers, so I have more respect for them.

That said I don't see much value in being a human calculator, which is pretty much what these math-related graduates are. Engineers will be outmoded by computers which can design perfect structures and do huge calculations in microseconds.

However, computers can never replace writers and artists because you can't program creativity. That is why they are superior jobs.

>What was the question in the poll?
>Who was sampled?
>What was the selection process?
>How was the survey conducted?
Details you baiting faggot, what are the details?

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>>133152391

>Republicans think that overpriced leftist indoctrination centers that give you useless meme degrees are bad for the nation

WEW LAD, this is big stuff!

>>133152391
Colleges are supposed to be in the business of preserving culture, not destroying it. They deserve to lose federal funding until they return to teaching actual fucking subjects instead of neo-marxist hogwash.

>>133155122
>>133155166
>children having fun is bad

Right wing retard logic

>>133152391

Please tell me what a College education gets you nowadays besides 4 more years to act as a manchild?

>>133155337
kek you are just showing your ignorance. every time you "create" something it is based in creativity. indeed creativity makes solving hard problems so much simpler. if you think that there is a big difference in an artist, musician, engineer or a mathematician then you are an idiot.

>>133152660
You are literally retarded. Who are you quoting? You are projecting your own beleifs on there. Dont get me wrong. Colleges as they are now, do not edicate, and there ought to be reform, but in no way did that democlap imply or insinuate intelligence is the same as education.

>Colleges are bad
Yes. That's true.
What's the controversy?

>>133155449

Take your adderall, wahoo

>>133154641
You have to look more closely
>#2 abandoned hipsterism and is staying active
>there is literally nothing wrong with #5
>#6 is saving a shitton on product and got some sun
>#8 is pulling the shit off that sarong
>#9 is getting a jump on the post hipster punk movement and is likely a creative visionary
>#11 gave up drinking and bitches and acquired currency and a sweet beard
>#12 and #13 are also saving money on product

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>>133152391
>Enter college to get abused. "America is evil!" "White folks are evil!" "Men are evil!"
>Spend hundreds of thousands, get degree in being annoying.
>Spend rest of life in debt.

Huffpo bitches about how Mr. and Mrs. America have caught onto the scam.

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>>133155449
Constantly pandering to the lowest common denominator only hurts us all.

>>133152391
That's the only the opinion of Republicans, but also Democrats. Obama even said that more students should consider STEM fields, trade skills, and even CC, rather than the Liberal Arts fields that dominate university. You know its bad when Democrats even admit the price of education isn't worth it.

>>133155337
>That said I don't see much value in being a human calculator, which is pretty much what these math-related graduates are. Engineers will be outmoded by computers which can design perfect structures and do huge calculations in microseconds.

Clearly you have no idea about modern mathematics if you think " I don't see much value in being a human calculator, which is pretty much what these math-related graduates are".

>However, computers can never replace writers and artists because you can't program creativity. That is why they are superior jobs.

Once we achieve AI as capable as human brain your "creative" jobs will become obsolete.

>>133155337
>However, computers can never replace writers and artists because you can't program creativity.
They also can never be the backbone of an economy because they're niche jobs, you can't run the country on paintings and poetry.

>>133152899

Yeah, trade schools... the American worker has to compete with the other 5 billion retards on the planet capable of learning those trades and doing them more cheaply.

You brainlets are clueless. Trade schools are the futures for YOUR children... so they end up in the bread line and cleaning the shit from my children's asses.

>>133155337
>However, computers can never replace writers and artists because you can't program creativity.
You don't have to if you can program mediums for people to create for themselves. Minecraft is literally just Lego and Notch is now one of the richest motherfuckers on the planet.

>>133155583
>Can't even spell educate correctly

>>133155337

That's not how engineering works. We already have programs that can simulate circuits and automate design process and fault-finding, we have for years. You still need an engineer to steer it. engineering isn't about knowledge, it's about understanding.

>>133155782
Its one big scam for student loan shekels

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> liberal/city people
> go to college
> no jobs when they leave or their education did not make them strong enough to compete within their state.
> work at starbucks and complain about high tuition
> republicans say college is bad
> "wow look at this dumb fucking rednecks they hate higher education."

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>girl goes to college
>downloads tinder
>fucks 60 guys in a semester
>take women's studies course
>straight white men are evil oppressors
>it's ok to be a slut you're taking down the patriarchy
>other marxist professor brainwashes students and makes them think islam is the religon of peace
Many such cases

>>133152391
It's like you say that post-ironically. I have a master's degree. College is fucking stupid. Graduate school is fucking stupid.

>>133155958
Im on mobile, fuck off faggit

>>133153224
>being in debt
Learn how to pay it off. I did.

>>133155337
Found the retard

>>133155657
And in case I wasn't abundantly clear, fuck hipsters.

>>133156023
>>I dont fuck around
Kekekek

>>133152993
School funding has no correlation with results

>>133152391
ever since they started giving out student loans to anyone with a pulse they've gone to shit rapidly.

The problem in the U.S. is that the majority of people actually believe that most people should go to college when it should actually be the other way around. If you think the majority of people walking around would benefit from going to college you are a fucking insect drone brainwashed by your gradeschool teachers.

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>>133156023
>the state of American women

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>>133155449
While in a school? That's not what a school is for, retard. You're probably a democrat because this is the type of shit you did in class.

>>133153224
>tfw i'm 85k in debt
not even gonna bother looking for a reaction pic

anyway at least I got my JD hopefully my lawyering will make me enough money that those wasted 3 years and shitty debt are worth it. either way i tried.

>Libruls believe majority of fake news and headlines

Kikes will defend this

>>133156158
Does teacher funding? Cause my middle school took their funding increases and used it to build a second gym, buy DDR machines, and expand the library (post advent of the internet, the fucking retards) while fucking trailers were being used for classrooms due to crowding issues and teachers were forced to buy their own supplies out of pocket.

Later my college, while already deep in the red and largely being reduced to a commuter school due to the expenses of out of state tuition, tore out a parking lot to build a fucking greenhouse while students were already being forced to park on the ass end of campus in their last half empty lot. And don't get me started on the expensive ass labyrinth and what they did to the food program.

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If we're talking about college as it is now vs college as it ought to be, then I agree college is a shitshow.

I'm at a pretty good state school, the first year in the dorms was like a fucking extended summer camp. Classes were a joke, people would get drunk on weeknights and stuff their faces with fried dining hall food, most people didn't even know what they wanted to study and were in some retarded gen ed classes they barely showed up for, I'd spend hours a day in the new state of the art gym with gym rat buddies (because why not?), and there were half literate niggers wandering around (or riding around on those hover boards).

Most people shouldn't be in college, it's just the simple reality. I'll even acknowledge it was fun (now in later years of STEM it sucks) but going to a water park or summer camp is also fun, we just don't create a trillion dollars worth of debt subsidizing those.

>>133156454
>no fun in school
You must be dumb as a brick or had braindead techers if you didn't enjoy at least one subject throughout all of the education.

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>>133152527
Education is becoming a synonym for communist brainwashing. Black women claim they're the most "educated" now. College education outside of trades and STEM is becoming a certification in delusional propaganda. It's literally a negative.

Exhibit A. It creates out communist democrats. Leftists once again use a correlation-causation fallacy to support themselves. Indoctrination increases communism rather than increasing intelligence. Communists then inherently feel compelled to promote their "education" to keep the pyramid scheme afloat.

>>133152391
>a polling from a specific geographic area is representative of an entire political party

In that case, all Liberals are overly humanitarian dolts who waste too much time on petty issues.

>>133156827
>labyrinth
at least they keep their humanities teachers locked up

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>>133152391
>>133152527
>>133152556
>>133152575
"Cultural Marxism" doesn't exist you autists. The entire narrative used by /pol/ and other right-wingers is totally flawed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_y0LxcANic

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>>133152527
Actually all the people I've met in the midwest value an education far more than people in urban hubs. All these sjw college kids in cities see college as a "life experience" so they just go for whatever bullshit lets them breeze through it.
Just because you acknowledge that the system as a whole is damaged and detrimental doesn't mean you can't value the information and accreditation. That's like saying that criticizing the government makes you an anarchist.

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m-muh women's studies degree

>>133155337
>t penniless welfare leech artist

>>133152391
>colleges produce nothing but cultural marxism
>"Oy Vey! why are you against colleges, Goyim?"

Colleges are out of control in this country

Only thing that provides us with value are medical schools and cetain specualized technical schools like WPI

>>133152391
>Get in debt by $100.000
>Be unable to find a job
>Can't keep with the interest rate
>The only thing you learned was to be a SJW useful idiot
>Beg the state for higher salaries
>Beg the state to pay YOUR debt
>Waste the people taxes in a useless degree
>Shit talk those people who's taxes you wasted
>Fuck your economy for life
>Claim to be smart one

>>133156904
>Cultural, Ethnic & Gender Studies

What is even point of those? I don't think I even saw any of those on any Polish University. I mean, there are courses on African culture and such, but they suppose to train you as a translator or similar, not just study for study sake.

>>133152527
>education
>mind my pronouns bigot
kys

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>>133157053
You realize most of this board went to college and we saw this shit first hand right?
You realize you can't lie to our generation when we experienced it first hand, right?

>>133156827
Throwing more money at it just exasperates the problem, as your experiences show. Education is corrupt, and the only thing the administrators care about is more shekels to spend on bs and getting brownie points for getting more funding

>>133157324
Didn't even need to go into the thread to see if this was posted. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

>>133152391
Look into who actually pays the student debt. The government lol most colleges hand out degrees like evergreen state. Also a lot of college degrees are worthless. Students must go to jail and be slaves if they accumulate to much debt

Colleges or (((colleges)))?

>>133157434
Regardless, it's ridiculous to blame the Franks for it.

>>133153283
>Indoctrination
>too much brain instead too little brawn
Basically femininity,
"If I think and scheme hard enough, magical fairies will move the matter for me, yay!!!"

Of course by fairies we mean supernaturality hence g-d. But of course g-d doesn't exist. So when the subconscious god fails, white cishet men get blamed while being told we're really the devil.

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So I take an ancient philosophy class for a requirement because I thought it would be clear from modern degeneracy

Nope, the class is taught by a gay man and we spent the first few classes discussing how Phaedrus by Plato is about how the ancient philosophers all wanted to have gay sex with young boys and that having "philia" homosex with your friends is better and more pure than having "eros" sex with a girlfriend.

The worst part is that the dyed-hair liberal girls that mainly populate the class are eating that shit up like fujoshi to a yaoi novel and the beta philosophy majors just agree with everything they say.

I was too shocked to really protest. It's honestly a surreal experience to witness this first hand at a reputable school. At least class participation is most of the grade and I can get an easy grade...

>>133152527
Have you been to college? Because nowadays it amounts to nothing more than listening to a professor read a power point about the main points of a textbook chapter. If it wasn't for the degree it would be a complete waste of time and money.

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>>133156904
Exhibit B. The more indoctrinated ("educated") a student becomes in one of the many communist curriculums (non STEM) marketed to get them in debt, the more they become communists.

It seems too obvious to mention but here's an example of the communism in action. Delusional degree holders advocate more for affirmative action against merit-based systems. "Down with merit!" Their brainwashing is a vicious cycle that will keep dumbing down institutions and demographics that society relies on.

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>>133152391
>/pol/ will defend this
Yeah, that's why I have a PhD and working on an engineering Master's.

>>133157053
>kids go to college normal
>leave college leftist SJWs

PURE COINCIDENCE GOY

>>133157898
girls eat everything up someone says with some authority. they are the perfect students.

College for all is totally pointless. If we have to have state schools from childhood to working age then the tracking process should begin much earlier, shifting those that don't display aptitude consistent with higher learning into manual labor and trades instruction or into a military service track.

>>133152527
A fucking leaf

>>133152391
>caring what Republicans or Democrats think

>>133152391

It's true, most college educations are worse than useless. Turn men into good goy and women into whores.

The problem isn't colleges. The problem is what people are going to college for.
They think if you're not a genius ahead of their time, you need to go into humanities or art. The exact opposite is true. Physics, Math, Comp Sci. It's not easy stuff, but it's practical. You'll be able to get a stable job with above-average pay doing something that's intellectually stimulating without requiring sheer dumb luck or a stroke of genius.

>>133157053
Fuck you nigger, I know what I saw at college. Telling me "no goyim it's nothing" doesn't lessen what I saw you kike. Please kys.

In their current form and what kind of students are leaving...

>>133155337
>Engineering is at least a white collar job unlike mechanics and plumbers, so I have more respect for them
Your a fucking decent baiter, congrats.

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Fake ass poll. Fake news.

>>133152391

And rightfully so. Universities are a man-made concept, and are just as capable of becoming corrupt and useless and anything else fitting that description.

>humanities, social sciences, and now law taken over by postmodern Marxists who are more interested in creating an army of postmodern Marxist activists than the discipline's actual original purpose in society
>students are graduating unprepared for the workforce; value of diplomas dropping rapidly
>the new road map for young people involves taking on a cripplingly massive debt
>young, naive students being tricked into believing that useless degrees will land them a job
>cheaper alternatives that are less friendly towards indoctrination under the guise of education exist, such as trade schools and using the internet to self-teach

Only a small number of disciplines should remain in the traditional universities. These include STEM, law, and a handful of humanities. The latter two need to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up so that they're training lawyers, historians, English teachers, etc. rather than postmodern Marxist activists. We also need to stop fooling students into believing that Roman history or English literature majors have a wide array of job opportunities waiting for them upon graduation. They need to be legally warned that they're taken on a massive debt with no guarantee that they'll be able to pay it off, and the self-study alternative needs to be suggested.

The rest should either be scrapped (women's studies, for example) or moved to trade schools.

>>133154060
To leftists, all of life is politics. Every choice they make is based on politics.

It is literally a religion.

>>133158589

I don't think its fake. College is the direct source of liberalism. Liberalism grew out of academia and academia is what mainly produces Liberals

It must be destroyed befote it destroys our society

>>133158478
What he said. College turns kids into debt straddled whores.

>>133155337
>Engineering is at least a white collar job unlike mechanics and plumbers, so I have more respect for them.
This is why Trump won the last election. Shit like this. People can't be earnestly dedicated to a trade lest they be looked down upon by liberal elitists such as yourself. I'm not trying to tow Trump's line either, I'm just pointing that out.

But that last line is just dead wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbd4NX95Ysc

>>133154060

Colleges take kids out of an environment with people with some level of sanity left and puts them into a group equally indoctrinated by mass media.

It's an incubator for the seeds kike propaganda put in kids.

>>133155583
>this whole post

Holy shit you are one illiterate retard. Kill yourself

>>133152391
>>133152527
People on the left love to take information out of context. Quote from the meat of the article:

>Those shifts comes amid several high-profile controversies over freedom of speech on campuses across the country, including protests earlier this year at the University of California, Berkeley after scheduled appearances by conservative commentators Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos were canceled. Conservative critics have said these incidents are silencing opposing ideas, while some people who disagree with inviting polarizing figures to campus say the safety concerns in these cases outweigh the importance of free speech.

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>>133158260
And you'll have a very difficult time finding anything resembling the "SJW agenda" in the works of the Frankfurt School.

About the closest SJWs and the Franks come in terms of methodology are Walter Benjamin's writings on language, which are entirely THEOLOGICAL, not Marxist.

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>>133152575
best analysis

>>133152527
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

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>>133154641

RWDS WHEN

>>133153900
This. Besides, uni's were created for people that want to pursue knowledge, not produce workers. But nowadays everyone needs to have a degree and ofc it's other people job to pay for it

>>133152391
My brother was a teacher at university. The spoiled brats think they deserve A's if they show up 60% of the time. He often taught other teachers, who were learning what they were supposed to be teaching in his class right before they actually needed to teach it. People think colleges are for activism instead of learning.

We definitely need higher education. Unfortunately, our system has been infected and become a brainwashing system. You can still learn some good things if you really want to learn a skill, but many of the classes are just indoctrination and have no value beyond elites controlling easily influenced children.

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>>133158478
Understatement. Call it what it is. They're psychological indoctrination camps with dangerous airs of prestige. It's literally advanced meme warfare in action and to top it off, like a cult, they con people into pay for it.

It's designed to create communist voters. Deranged leftists want everyone to be brainwashed by these camps, by convincing others to pay for it. Vicious cycle of insanity.

>>133152391
Republicans admit what is already obvious to those non-retards paying attention. It's nothing, sage.

>>133157053
What is Gramsci?

>>133155583
Why else would anyone value education besides increasing intelligence and critical thinking?

>Who are you quoting?

Kill yourself, you're obviously autistic

>tree hugger

lol so ironic bro XD

>>133152391
the majority of republicans DONT believe this.

>hufffington post is FAKE NEWS

>>133152527
fpbp

>>133157167

Holy shit, Democrats are poor sacks of shit.

>>133161110
le fpbp upvoted my good sir xDDD

>>133160441

>Why else would anyone value education

Unironically knowledge. Duh.

>>133152391
I enter my local Jr. College and what do I see?
>Flyers for a mexican/native American speaking against white people and "colonialism"
>Flyers everywhere that list their social and political expectations from the school by keywords: diversity, tolerance, kindness, intersectionality, equity, and safe spaces.
Why are there flyers all over my college, left up by admin, demanding intersectionality and equity? Literal marxism? We need the humanities to be gutted and left to starve.

>>133157167
>Demopoors

>>133161690
Knowledge for the sake of knowledge is not why people value education. It's the application of that knowledge, ie intelligence and critical thinking. Duh. Fuck off. Faggot.

>>133152391

And they are right. Most degrees are useless and training should be done on job. Also colleges are just liberal in doctrine centers now.

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>>133155337
what a retard kek

>>133160249
Gramsci didn't advocate political correctness or privilege checking; he was a revolutionary communist who advocated full-blown cultural revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exe5U3kFU5g

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>>133157053
>Nice b8 m8 I r8 u faggot/8.

>>133155913
says the democrat

>>133160441
No, I dont ironically love nature..
Second, intelligence is different than a knowledge base. If you think you are more intelligent for knowing a fact, then you dont know what intelligence is.
The goal of college is to expand knowledge and teach how to put that knowledge to use, not make people smarter.
Thing is most subjests like high level math and sciences, and yes even philosophy take a degree of natural intellect to succeed in. Yet at the end of a 4 year degree, one has the same level of intelligence.
You fucking retard

>>133162282
Listen to the video. The crazy Jewess shows the huge gaps in /pol/'s argument. The Franks were antinomians but they saw western culture as holding utopian aspects.

>>133161954

There is a huge value on the pure bulk of knowledge we get from education. In public education, about history, math,cultural norms, etc

In higher education, you aren't taking critical thinking skills and philosophy courses the entire time, you're taking degree specific courses that give you..... wait for it.... KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT.

You can't deny that benefit, stop being dumb.

>>133159781

To be fair, if you have a 3.5 GPA and score a 170 on the LSAT, your brain functions well enough to be admitted into any of those schools.

You're nowhere near dumb with those scores.

>>133162454
Holy fuck you are dense as dog shit. Unirionically end your life. Go suck C02 out of someone's car and reduce the carbon footprint you autistic retard

>>133157898
To be fair that is the premise, same thing in Symposium, but it falls to the readers to disagree, either with the content or the interpretation.

Thankfully my mates were better and we agreed with the content but opposed the interpretation.

>>133162835
Way to acknowledge nothing I said, except that I called tou a retard. This was clearly an affront to your delicate ego, so you lashed out. Sad!

>>133152391
lel College is USELESS in the INTERNET AGE

You have everything you need to learn whatever you want at the touch of your fingers.

>>133152391
But they are. They're filled with far left profs who care more about pushing their views than actually educating people.

>>133152527
hello professor goldstein

>oy vey they're questioning the narrative!

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>>133162820
Except that's not the real effect of affirmative action and quotas. Affirmative action increases the number of lower scoring people into positions of power while displacing higher scoring applicants. It has real (negative) consequences and it's an insult to the non-whites and whites alike who would otherwise be there on merit.

College turned me conservative if I'm honest. Had a conservative history professor who also happened to be black. We had very good discussions in his class and I left much more conservative than I was. Conservatives need to pursue careers in academia instead of bitching about it. 99% of my professors were leftists but most weren't bad people. My psychology professor freshman year was really nice and she was a big old communist.

Men leaving education was a mistake, reverse it if you're upset about the cuck indoctrination.

>>133152391
Current college staff is bad for the country. Mizzou is a timely and prefect example.
>bunch of fat women run HP
It shows

>>133152391
it is bad. not everyone should be in college. you should only go to university for STEM degrees or research degrees. Everything else is fuckall that you can get via job training (learn2writeenglishLMAO) or trade schools.

Because everyone and their mothers go to university and get useless degrees, the bachelor degree as a whole is depreciated

I dropped out of college because I couldn't justify borrowing 20k on top of my 10k that I have now, for a business degree from a meme tier school. So I dropped out and put all my time into landing an entry level job. I ended up getting one from the largest private real estate company in US making 38k a year. Within a year I got promoted past people with college degrees because I work hard and have built a business on the side, to make 51k a year, non entry level, with no degree at 21 years old. Companies dont want college degrees, they want smart people that work hard and innovate.

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>>133152391
>>133152527
>tfw went to trade school
>tfw got a job at 19 for $20/hr
>tfw 21, friends work at mcds for $9/hr
>tfw friends that went to college have crippling >student debt and make $12/hr
>tfw I make $30/hr in trade
>tfw $22,000 in the bank with no debt whatsoever

I am super conservative and think colleges are bad but education is good so throw me in that majority senpai

>>133152751
go back to /reddit/

>>133152391
They're right. A college education is now more likely to be indoctrination and a waste of money than an investment in your future and a higher paying career.

>>133166702
im getting paid to study, the same amount you make per year. i have no physical labor requirements, travel frequently, am constantly taken care of

why would i want to do slave labor for the rest of my life and not sit in my ivory tower?

>>133162168
aka cultural marxism, you cant see that feminism is a type of syndicalism of women for example

>>133155337
>That said I don't see much value in being a human calculator, which is pretty much what these math-related graduates are. Engineers will be outmoded by computers which can design perfect structures and do huge calculations in microseconds.
Your absolute ignorance of engineering and higher level mathmatics is shocking. This has to be bait if you think an engineering degree is operating a calculator.

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>>133167050
I'm guaranteed a job (because I'm doing it) and through apprenticeship I too am paid to learn, but unlike you I get on the job experience as I do it. Looks great on a resume and entitles me to higher level positions before you're even out of college.

Why would I want to spend $30,000 on a 4 year degree so I can enter a rat race to find an entry level job when I can make $30,000 a year (at year one, totaling at +$120,000 by the time you're done) and learn cool skills? Getting into college through scholarship with no loans -I'm talking 0% debt here- I think is okay. However that is not what most people do.

>>133152527
>in-debt retards think that underwater basket weaving degree that costs 100 grand is a sound investment
>corporations continue to import h1-visa's to do the real jobs
>illegals keep coming in thanks to the democrats and take all the other jobs
>your college education is officially worthless
>Y U HAET EDUCATISONS!1/1/1/1/??

You can't go to school for 16+ years and then act surprised when you can't get a job with your bullshit degree.

>>133152391
>>133152527
>Huffpo
(((News))) discarded.

Along that vein, what do you think of the mileaux of college campuses these days?

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>>133152391
These old dumb boomers have been brainwashed into believing anything outside their cult is bad.

>>133168130
You know what, i agree with you, but only because of what you said about the debt. I am in 0 debt, i got a full ride from scholarships, but i dont know if i would pursue this path if i was in debt; im losing way too much earning power with this 5 year program, which i personally dont care about not being in debt, but you cant do that if you're in debt.

My main concern is physical wellbeing. I have worked retail, construction, and just random oddjobs and am worried about the toll on my body, especially growing older, as well as risk of injury.

>>133152391
This is the most misleading headline I have ever seen. How fucking low do you have to fucking go and still call yourself news with a straight face?

Too much spent on liberal arts not enough free thinking in American higher edu

>>133152527
Uneducated redneck here. Education is quite valuable, though the kind found in colleges doesn't really qualify as education anymore.

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>>133159260
>That Cali mag
LMAO

>>133152391
They don't want brainwashed retards.

>>133152527

i have a bsc, msc and phd and i think colleges are negative for the US. Tech and trade schools are not.

A degree is just a credential that is meant to inhibit people's entrances into certain professions, and to justify paying other people minimum wage. The actual "things" you learn aren't valuable at all and are probably harmful unless you are learning a hard science, math, or medicine. Colleges are state owned businesses in essence that can continue to raise prices on that piece of paper they give out because without it you can't get a lot of job in certain industries, however that is really changing in a lot of ways. Once you leave college, NO ONE CARES about your degree, it's only a key to get into doors.

It's meant to enslave you to the debt system to ensure your loyalty, and reduce the workforce by filling up young people's time with BS.

I fully support less people going to college, more expensive tuition, and more requirements to get degrees in order to preserve the value of my own degree. This country needs more fast food, manual, and minimum wage workers, not degree holders.

>>133169000
I agree with you as well, nice trips btw

>My main concern is physical wellbeing
this is my biggest concern as well, no one gives a FUCK about this in construction. General contractors do because onsite injuries means insurance rates going up so sometimes you will see a safety guy walking around but workers seriously do not care and safety focused contractors are far and few.

>Fiberglass? What's that? Sure I'll breath it in
>Sillica? The fuck im not scared of some dust
>Foreign objects in your fresh wound? Just rub dirt in it

to be honest I'm a lifelong computer nerd so I've been studying a lot to switch careers to technology in a few years but as per the thread topic that's done by self interest and not college.

>>133153810
I never understood why people go to private colleges when state universities are just 20K to 30K.

>>133152391
colleges attempt to turn you into marxist slime

>>133170158
>Fiberglass? What's that? Sure I'll breath it in

oh god... seriously? no wonder those mesothelioma commercials are still going around

>>133152527
I joined the military, learned multiple useful skills that build a resume for the civilian world, connections, earned college credits with every specialization school I went to, and the government is going to pay for my college should I use my GI bill (in addition to the equivalent of E-5 BAH). Get fucked

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>>133152391
education is for faggots
the earth is flat
cock skin immolation will set us free

Liberal Arts programs are cults now, there is nothing academic left in them.

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>>133170546
Yep, lot of morons cutting material inside where there's no ventilation. Drywall dust is bad for you too and drywallers live on that stuff. Luckily I'm accoustics / welding.

I buy my own dust masks for fiberglass/dust and keep new ones in a ziplock bag in the top part of my hard hat because even though contractors and employers are supposed to provide them, no one gives a fuck and it usually takes a full day or two of exposure until a pack is sent out.

good luck with college anon

>>133171330
you too, good luck with your shit, please take care of your health, it's by far your most valuable asset.

>>133156552
why not just earn money move overseas and die before paying it back?

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>>133152391
I have high school diploma. Am the owner of my own business, and do very well for my family. I am not against higher learning, but if you want that piece of paper, go into a stem field, and not some gender studies bullshit that makes you unhireable while you bitch about the patriarchy keeping you down. Also, If you are going to college be prepared mentally for the barrage of Communism that will be shoved down your throat.

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>>133159063
They've turned into money funnels and indoctrination centers. They've moved away from being higher education. Now they just babysit adult children.

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>>133153135
I love Poland more everyday.

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If you're in university and not doing a STEM subject you might as well just fucking kill yourself now before you realise you've wasted your time and money getting brainwashed

>>133171330
would a hardhat even have made a difference?

>>133152391
Your fucking right we will. There's absolutely no reason for college. Post high school should essentially be the equivalent of a trade school. You don't need to take history or sociology. Just take classes for your major

>>133152391
>Implying /Pol/ is a person
>Defending Huffpo

>>133152391
Indeed but what can they do about it? Would pulling government funding be enough? Seams like communism can only exist using money stolen from taxpayers.

>>133152391
There isn't much "value" in it, huge waste of money. Exponential amount of value to get AAS degrees for most people. We can't and shouldn't all be MDs or attorneys.

>>133153900

Not really, most on-line colleges are scams that don't each diddly squat.

Republicans believe this because they understand that miseducation is as harmful as no education. Both result in people who believe they know what they do not know, and choose what harms themselves and others as a result. Democrats need to get on Republicans' level so we can fix this huge problem together.

I'm doing my undergrad in lib arts and I can guarantee you that these Republicans have a point. Leftist indoctrination centers.

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>>133152391
>"wasting thousands of dollars for money you probably don't have for a meme degree is bad"
>"REPUBLISHITS HATE COLLEGE OMGAY"
>huffingtonpost

>>133152391

they're right

>>133152527

>education

kek

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>>133152391
>>133152527
Cultural Marxism proves otherwise, colleges and universities need a overhaul to prevent indoctrination from happening which is slowly rotting way the values of this country and what it stood for.

>>133152391
Does this poll differentiate between stem/useful degrees and liberal arts colleges? Because if it doesn't its worthless

>>133154730
A lot of modern art is literally a CIA psyop.

>>133154280
>>133154730
>I'm smart cause I understand "art"
http://www.theransomnote.com/musings/news/cia-admit-to-using-modern-art-as-a-weapon/

Sure.

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>>133152391
>1 post by this ID
>a poll
Cupcake slide thread.

>>133177620
colleges should only be used if you are going into a research field. The rest of the people should just be given classes in a field of your choosing that trains you for it.

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>>133152527

>>133152391
Communist/ZOG breeding grounds. Most of them, perhaps all of them, should be nuked.

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>>133152391
There are people that think the modern college system is good?
Aren't lib millennials the main ones bitching about college being way overpriced when 90% of the time it's just glorified indoctrination?

The one thing I find amusing about colleges in the USA is that they think all this SJW progressive BS is going to help anyone at all. Future employees won't give 2 fucks about it and chances are if they see you have been involved with protesting or riots they will turn you down from a job as you stir up drama shit that nobody wants to deal with in the work place

Anyone else go to college and out their head down and ignore all the bs around them? What happened to places of "higher learning"

>>133153054
was done by apprenticeship for centuries and is even easier to do now

>>133152391
Based republicans again

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>>133152391
they are bad, in their current state.
>mfw liberals pay to go to indoctrination camp
education makes you stupid
>politicians have no power
>parents have the right to give assign a gender to their children
>news journalists no longer report the news
>pol becomes the new investigative reporters
>CIA is a satanic child trafficking ring while we become the new intelligence agency - roles have been reversed

this is the timeline we're in.
we /illuminati/ now.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

>>133158290
this is literally not a negative, and I would have no problem with females getting higher education in a state that had proper education standards. You need someone to teach your children. Women just need to be lead properly

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>>133152527

I am not against upper level education or skills training. I am against Marxist indoctrination camps that ruin otherwise healthy, normal people, though.

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>>133180440

>Spurdo in the background
>Raining frogs

THIS IS A FAKE, RIGHT?

>>133152527

Going to college to be indoctrinated into cultural marxism, with the intent to bring down western civilisation seems like a great idea to me.... NOT.

>>133152391
>1 post by this ID
Yes we will.

>>133180440
what game is that from guy?

>>133181636
illuminati card game.

>>133152391
watch this. the whole thing.

>fair warning : annoying and pervasive applause

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4c-jOdPTN8

>>133152527
(((education)))

All I learned in college was that chinks will do anything to see their grade higher than yours

>>133152527
>education only counts if its from our reeducation camps goyim

>>133152527
hahaha all these assmad replies

muh radical centrist and alt-right youtubers are smarter than people who hold PhD's.

>>133152391
>Use taxpayer money to give a bunch of affirmative action hires jobs for life
>They brainwash naive teenagers about the wonders of trannies and communism.
>they still graduate owing $50,000 to (((them)))
>can't get a job

Yea great system.

>>133182800
>>they still graduate owing $50,000 to (((them)))
>>can't get a job
I thought it was 30K?

>>133152391
The concept of college is just fine.
American colleges by and large are shit, and many areas of study are essentially needless brain masturbation.
When you throw in the debt "smart" people get themselves into with that sweet Chicano studies degree, there is a lot to be critical of.

When you ask a liberal about something they tend to be talking about the theory, not historical examples of something in practice. This leads to head explosions when you give them opinions often.

>>133157053

so you think the sociology department is the whole school. ok fag. some of us go to school to learn science. you know science, the thing that helps defend the country more than anything. but I'm sure you are flat earther so whatever

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>>133180939
I don't get it. Why is it the most educated or Athletic a black guy looks. The most likely they will become a fag or tranny? Yet the most ghetto blacks always hate fags. It's like the black race is doomed too thug cultural or homosexuality?

>>133152527
Holy shit I've seen people correctly call quints with less replies than this

>>133157053
>cultural marxism doesnt exist
>commie flag
pol btfo how will we ever recover

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Yeah I will.

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>>133152391
>>133152527
i wonder why rural and suburban retards would think that

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>paying for your children go into this

>>133153533
No. The "poor uneducated religious rednecks" are the good part. They are the more moral ones.

The other ones are Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

>>133154730
Ahh, that would explain why Democrats fear fathers.

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>>133185751
they have some white in them, which renders them suseptible to kike programming, and they have no real identity or a confused, as they are mongrels. it is sad for them.

this is why they cling so easily to what professor kikenstein tells them is their identity.

this is why the kikes want the earth to blanda upp.

>>133152391
It's true though. Colleges are nothing more than indoctrination camps. Outside of STEM courses, half of any given lecture was the professor spewing their shitlib opinions and demanding agreement. I have been out for 10 years but it was bad enough then.

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>>133152391
STEM degrees are the only worthwile degrees to go for. Anything else qualifies you to work at Starbucks.

>>133152527
Is that why all the 13th century underwater basketweaving majors have great jobs in their fields of study?

>>133187528
> t. White woman

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>>133187528
>move over whites
women and niggers don't get to the front of the pack by being the worst for centuries.

start inventing things that have commercial value and raise living standards, THEN, we can talk, pink collar, $7 cappuccino drinking, welfare tapeworms. go make your own shit to control. stop trying to run my shit.

>>133155166
real competitive college you got there

>>133152391
I'm pretty sure, instead of thinking that colleges are bad, most Republicans think that colleges are not meeting the standards of education that they should be held to.

>>133152391

For the majority of people, college is a waste of time. Only people that should go to college are those who are looking to go into a STEM field or other comparable areas. Think engineer, doctor, lawyer, etc.

The problem is that people who have been told all their lives that they should go to college, end up wasting 4 years of their lives just to get a liberal arts degree, then wonder why they can't pay off thousands of dollars in loans with a job that pays $30,000 a year.

>>133162548
you're a fucking lunatic desu. It's not a secret, it's not disguised, and even rural white areas are affected by it, daily.
>huge gaps in /pol/s argument
bud, pol isn't one person nor is there a consensus on particular theories or appreciated outcomes. But regardless, trying to defend Marxist bullshit as not degenerating the world using university is just putting your head in the sand.

>>133152391

Well of course. You need dumb people to vote for the same failed policies over and over and over again.

>>133152660
No, but someone who isn't retarded would recognize the value of an education.

>>133152391Colleges/Degrees do not equal an education.

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>>133152391
>pay $100,000 to get called a racist white male

>>133152391
College and education are two different things. One can exist without the other. Today, that's the case.

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I graduated college. It almost ruined my life. Fuck college.

>>133152705
Why do you have marxist education in colleges?
Why allow leftist teachers to do so?

>>133152913
It's the same in STEM?

>>133152391
If it isn't stem, it's worth less than shit.

I'm compelled to drop science as a valuable field as well.

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>>133162551
Knowledge about subject matter is interesting, but a college education isn't the same thing as collecting a bunch of Snapple caps. The value gained from a classical liberal arts degree (e.g. history, literature, or philosophy) isn't from memorizing poetry or dates. That's the least useful part of the degree. The value is supposed to be from learning how to engage texts, think critically, and form rational arguments.

Maybe it's different in the hyper-meme majors like gender studies or sociology, but at least there is a theory behind a classical liberal education as to why it is useful. When a fat dyke says that she learned how to "dismantle power structures" in her classes, then the degree's value is horse shit because you can tell it was only indoctrination.

>>133190662
Typical leftwing retard. You think getting indoctrinated to believe a bunch of bullshit in gender studies classes makes you intelligent, and I suppose you think diversity is a strength right? Because that's not a failed policy in any way