How am I Supposed to Remain a Capitalist?

>>133129284
Capitalism is the natural way people barter between eachother

You can run a communist or socialist enterprise within a capitalist system

You cannot do the reverse without being persecuted

Even in North Korea and underground capitalist market exists for contraband

What more needs to be discussed

>>133129485
I don't care about what you think is "natural" I get shit on by the rich daily and I won't tolerate it without harboring anti-Capitalist resentment. You are advocating slave mentality.

>>133129628
It has nothing to do with what I think, it is what is.

And despite your feelings of injustice you currently live in the wealthiest and most fair economic system the world has ever seen.

You simply let your greed and childish jealousy fual resentment and a desire to take what is not yours.

How do the rich "shit" on you? What do you want for? What needs are not met and what wants are completely unattainable to you?

Get some perspective

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>>133129485
You need to understand that elite capitalism was the functional end of the world, and the fumes of the "end of history" ran out by the middle of the 2000's. What this means is that the inertia of Western Civilization finally ran out and uncoincidentally this is right when shit like gay marriage triumphed. The reason everything feels like utter shit is because the world has lost its center. We've fully become swallowed by nihilism and things that once gave society direction and purpose like religion no longer influence enough people to matter. The spirit of gravity is drowning us and we'll die if we don't do something about that.

Western civilization is dead. Our only purpose now is to avenge it and ensure something better than this rockefeller modernist hellscape replaces it.

>>133129284
Is this a new tack on the
>I'm a faggot commie
>Capitalists BTFO
Where is your hammer and sickle flag?

>>133129865
>And despite your feelings of injustice you currently live in the wealthiest and most fair economic system the world has ever seen.
It was a lot more fair when my grandparents grew up, they were able to find jobs in factories and work to afford houses, cars, support families with a half-dozen children and still have money to save. Now not only are the jobs gone but the wages too, and the cost of living has only risen, and coincidentally union membership has dropped massively since those days, I have been gypped out of a good life by neoliberal capitalism. And how the fuck can you speak for me with regard to how "greedy" I am to want to be able to afford to buy more than $30 worth of food every week? End your life.

Stop with the Reddit spacing by the way.

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>>133129485
You're greatly misunderstanding what "capitalism".
You think that everything that isn't communism (i.e. gather up everyone's shit and redistribute it) is capitalism.
Trading things of value or even using money to facilitate trading are not inherently capitalistic concepts.

Capitalism requires capital. And that's a whole other kettle of fish

>>133130207
But, that isn't correct. Poverty was much worse in the 1950's and 1960's. Quality of life was vastly less for your average person than most of the poor today

And that says nothing of the literally billions of Asians and Africans who lived in abject poverty only 50 short years ago.

You are simply wrong, the embracing of market capitalism is the best big to happen to humans since fire

>>133130333
Okay Marx, get a job

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Farm. Grow. Create. Love. Nurture.

RESPONSIBLITY

Fuck the system.

http://riggedit.com/

>>133129284

>Leaf
>unemployment is skyrocketing
>leftist government

maybe because the furthur left you idiots go, the worse things get and you can't figure it out because you have the intelligence of a maple tree?

>>133130422
>But, that isn't correct.
My grandfather was the son of a dirt farmer that got kicked out of the house when he was 16 years old, he worked in a Goodyear factory (WAS UNIONIZED), married, had 4 kids and retired at 60 to a lakefront cottage.

That is IMPOSSIBLE today, fucking utterly god damn impossible, life was NOT harder for the working class 50 years ago.

>>133130962
I'd like to add that the factory at which my grandfather worked is now closed and all the jobs are gone, by the way.

>>133130586
>leftist government
Liberals are centrist you fucking retard, and we were under conservatives for nearly a decade prior.

>>133129284
>How am I Supposed to Remain a Capitalist?
Are you ready to give up all your worldly possessions like a bed and place to sleep and money and food because you don't believe in private property?
No? OK, THATS how you remain a capitalist.

>>133130962
>>133131055
>>133131214


It was though, younhave luxouries your grandfather never had

You have access to better food and water, better healthcare, bigger and nicer homes, safer cities.

You are simply wrong that things are worse off today. They are not. You simply are claiming it to be the case to excuse your own failure to meet some standard you've set for yourself.

The working class is not being repressed

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>>133131402
Oh wow what a clever and totally not childish argument dude good job.

>>133131633
God commies are literally the worst

Comparing the average life of a worker to literal slaves and peasants of centuries past is such garbage

Especially when communism hasn't led to far more unequal societies than capatlistic systems

>>133131594
>better food and water
You mean processed fucking McDonalds garbage that kills you? I eat potatoes and chicken thighs for dinner every single day dude, it's all I can afford.
>better healthcare
Yeah, UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, a socialist ideal.
>bigger and nicer homes
Which I will never be able to afford, they are reserved for rich people.
>safer cities
That is totally dependent on the city and I can't afford to live in a city anyway. Detroit 50 years ago was much safer than it is now.

>>133129284
Well, you can always starve under socialism/communism.

>>133131793
>Comparing the average life of a worker to literal slaves and peasants of centuries past is such garbage
You must be retarded or something, the only thing being compared in that image is the argument provided by the ruling class as to why the working class ought to be happy, nobody is suggesting the working class works as hard as a slave or feudal peasant, that's a strawman.

>>133131633
>Oh wow what a clever and totally not childish argument dude good job.
I'm sorry you don't like my response but its as close to truth as you're gonna get given the question you asked.
People can support literally any type of non-capitolistic theory they want, but until they're willing to give up the trappings of even a poor capitolistic life, its nothing more than lip-service to an idea that'll never take root. Do you disagree with that?
You can live as a Communist right now, but you refuse too. I think what you want is not for you to live as one and leave everyone else do their thing, but rather, you live as a Communist and force everyone else too as well. Yes?
Well, there's a good reason for that too. Because force causes resistance and a Government constantly dealing w/ resistance must become authoritarian which causes more resistance til POP.

>>133131990
No the food and water is literally of higher quality as is the healthcare refaursless of being in a single payer system or not, your healthcare technology is still driven by private enterprise the Canadian gov pays your bills.

And violent crime is vastly lower than it was in the 1960's and before most urban centers have been going through a revival for 15 years or more.

Typical commies don't know shit about anything

Unsurprising

>>133132372
>You can live as a Communist right now
Okay let me just seize these means of production.

Oh wait now I'm in prison.

>>133129628
And the rich who are shitting on you own the government, and leverage the government to stifle competition. That's not capitalism. TBTF banks should not have been bailed out after Lehman failed. Nor should companies like GM have been bailed out. The big players can afford either to hire the army of lawyers and bureaucrats needed to follow the excessive amounts of regulations that government promulgates, or, as evidenced by the fact that they don't go to jail and get to keep most of their profits when they get caught, they can afford to violate those regulations. You or I could not.

Your government is just as owned as mine.

I don't hate the man who got rich through intelligence and hard work. I do hate the man who tells the government what to do if it keeps me down. And there is a difference. We pay homage to capitalism, but we don't really have it. Central banks should be proof enough of that.

>>133132409
>technology advances over time
>therefore capitalism
Nice one dude :^), did you know the Soviets went to space fist?

>>133132465
>Okay let me just seize these means of production.
>Oh wait now I'm in prison.
Answering your own question. Progress?
Was your original question serious or are you just trying to say Communism is better?

>>133131214

>nationalized healthcare
>capitalism

....

God, why are leafs so stupid?

>>133131990

>detroit

OK, what the fuck, thats our city, fuck off it with your leaf cancer, If theres one thing that could make that shit hole worse it'd be you worthless fucks claiming it.

>>133132465
>seize the means of production
Make your own, faggot. Then you can share it with whoever you want.

>>133132580
>Nice one dude :^), did you know the Soviets went to space fist?
How's Soviet communism doing these days?

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>>133132507
>And the rich who are shitting on you own the government, and leverage the government to stifle competition. That's not capitalism.
Well actually it is, but in the end the entire problem is the capitalists are allowed to hoard their wealth.

You can not combat human greed, as long as they have the resources they will manipulate the world to their liking, they need to have their capital and assets forcibly seized by the people, repeatedly if necessary, otherwise the exploitation will continue forever.

>>133132465
You and like minded others can literally go set up a commune and live like communists if you want nobody is stopping you.

The problem is you want to enforce your bullshit on everyone else

>>133132673
>OK, what the fuck, thats our city, fuck off it with your leaf cance
Nice rebuttal, it doesn't change the fact that Detroit was better in the 1960s than it is now. Industrialists destroyed the unions, shipped the jobs overseas where the workers are more easily exploited, and voila, a city is in ruins.

>>133132580
Yes people were living fantastically under the soviet system

How do commie mannage to brainwash so many retardation decade after decade

>>133129284
None of that matters, OP. The scourge of communism is like nothing humanity has ever faced before.

It all comes down to private property. Either you have inalienable and exclusive rights to all that is yours, or you do not.

Choose wisely. Sacrifices will be made regardless.

>>133132764
That isn't communism, the workers need to seize for themselves the means of production which they themselves work and produce wealth with, they don't go out into the wilderness to build a parallel society from scratch, the means of production across the world are theirs.

>>133132791
>>133133089
Goalposts: moved

>>133132901
No, it's not. They use public resources for private profits. They have it set up so that you pay for their losses and they keep their profits. That's not capitalism. It's a part of the bigger pie called central planning, and it sucks.

>>133133093
I have no property, therefore I ought to be a communist, no? Literally all I posses is my shitty 10 year old laptop, a 5 year old phone, a bed, and clothes, I have no land, I have no capital, I have nothing that would ever be seized during a communist uprising.

>>133133041

50 years of solid 'centrist' rule. Yea. it got fucking destroyed. IDK if you know this about america but detroit has been under democrat (liberal) rule for 50 fuckin years, and in the USA local governments are "higher" than federal..

sooooooooooo....

>>133133235
I didn't move any goalpost

>>133133388
Since when are the democrats socialists? I'm not a democrat, they're still liberal capitalist retards.

>>133133460
You were implying technological progress was the result of private enterprise alone, while at the same time the Soviets were going to space without it.

>>133129284
You are a dumb piece if farm equipment. This is why you're not a part of the upper class.

>>133133873
And this is the rhetoric that leads people to oppose capitalism, so don't be surprised when Antifa burns down an entire city.

>>133133373
Your body will be seized, dipshit. The state will decapitate your broke ass and sell your organs to people like Soros.

>>133134005
From each according to his needs to each according to his abilities.

>>133133734

>hurr dur, they're not socialist, they just want to implement socialist ideals

lemme get this straight, a medium amount of socialist ideals destroys the industry capital of the industry capital of the world, and your idea is to go FULL socialist?

Fucking retarded leaf. Its not to late to kill yourself.

>>133133840
The Soviet millitary managed to rocket a some animals and a man into space

Do you think that compares to what the west has achieved in space exploration?

Even our "government" progress relies on contracts to the private sector to work and to move forward.

Let me know when the soviets managed to have a space shuttle progra, send deep space probes past Pluto and maintained the global positioning satellite network for communications and navigation

Oh wait... they didn't

>>133133969
Antifa doesn't have the numbers. There is almost one gun for every man, woman, and child in America. You can swallow your tongue and work hard to make it like the rest of us, or you can march with antifa and fall on your own sword. I wouldn't blame if you did, considering you're a naturally low IQ, subhuman leaf. I pity you.

>>133134138
>a medium amount of socialist ideals
What the fuck does that mean? What have the democrats done that in any way implements any degree of socialist practice? Did they defend unions when they were being annihilated? Did they defend American industry? Did they even attempt to defend the working class at any point? No, they implemented NAFTA, they neglected every single thing a socialist would never neglect, your argument is fucking bankrupt. They are capitalists that lean farther to the left than republicans, that's it, they're about on the same place on the political spectrum as our fucking Conservative party dude.

The average worker is too lazy and ignorant to organize any kind of "utopia". You're going to wind up with a priveledged few running a beaurocratic despotism that's maximizes the amount of production they can extract from the worker while minimalizing how little they get in return.

This is the human condition, people in power will always abuse their power regardless of their politics.

That's why you're called "dreamers" because a dream is the only place you can have a utopia

>>133129284
The day is coming comrade. These capitalist , Ayn randing worshipping Jew larpers will hang and the natsocs , unified under Buddhism will usher in a utopia.

>>133134467

>tax the rich more
> fuck the 1%!
> distribute their wealth to the poor

About the only thing they miss is seizing the means of production.

we could always do like venezula though

I hear things are going so well since they went full socialist. Something today about a food truck being robbed by a biker gang? Yea, fantastic.

You're fucking worthless leaf. Kill yourself.

>>133134219
>Antifa doesn't have the numbers. There is almost one gun for every man, woman, and child in America.
America has always been a backwards shithole with nearly zero potential to implement any degree of socialist policy, so consider yourself safe from freedom from wageslavery, Americans are mostly too stupid to understand they have the worst labour history record of almost any western nation on the face of the Earth, to the point where strikers have been massacred by private militias multiple times in the not-so-distant past. That isn't anything to be proud of, you defend with your life the noose that hangs around your own neck.

>>133134784
>About the only thing [the Democrats] miss is seizing the means of production.
Man, this is probably the stupidest sentence in this entire thread, congrats, I almost feel like screencapping this.

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>>133129284
open up those borders for free trade, mein negger. fugg statism

>>133134841
You're assuming that I'm just a typical wageslave. You can bitch and moan all you like, but in the end, it's you 'wageslaves' that demand more and more and more. Your employers are as human as you are. They feel as you do, they work as you do. If you think that all your problems stem from greedy corporate devils, you're deluded beyond help. There are things, if not most things, that are out of their control.
And in the end, I was every bit as much of a 'wageslave' as you are, at one point. All it takes is hard work. That doesn't cost you a thing.

>>133134965
ok. you're right. kind of.

They act like they believe in all those things, unions, rights of workers, ect ect...

the fact is, they, like all liberals and socialist fail at everything they do, you dumb fuck.

Unions are disappearing because of pensions placed on the back of new workers, demand for more pay that the labor is worth, and cronyism with in union systems. No unions aren't the reason you can't afford what your grandparents had, it's because of the strangulation of enterprise due to regulation. If you honestly think you would do better under communism or socialism I shutter to think how bad your schools where. You want to know about live under communism, ask someone who had to live under it.

Let's look at the news today to see what fun things capitalism has resulted in.

Oh, here's one.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/27/epa-clean-water-rule-drinking

>“We are taking significant action to return power to the states and provide regulatory certainty to our nation’s farmers and businesses,”
>"farmers and businesses"

Enjoy your poisonous water, I guess. god bless gabidalism :^^), just remember when you die of lead poisoning it's all for the poor farmers and businesses.

>>133135744
Checked. Fixed the unarchived clickbaiters.
https://archive.is/6uwaq

>>133129284
Lots of fucked up shit going on these days. It's been going on forever. Bot a whole lot can be done, besides infiltrate the organizations and destroy them from the insidw out. They hide for a reason. We all hate them and would lile to destroy them and redistribute the wealth. Good luck.

>>133129284
Capitalism is stupid. Just step up from socialism.

Mixed market designed for middle class is what we want.

>>133134994
free association means free disassociation
do you even hoppe

>>133129284
>Remain a Capitalist?
>List a lot of things that has nothing to do with free markets and instead has to deal with government policies restricting those free markets

You never were a capitalist dude.

>>133135519
Hard work my ass. That doesn't help you achieve shit and you know it. It's about who you know. Who can pull strings for you. Stop lying.

>>133134841
>wageslavery
no such thing. women doubling the workforce destroyed the demand for labor in entire sectors
on top of that they arent productive enough, in any possible system you could concieve

>>133129284
Become a Nazi

No shit capitalism, while keeping some of the essences of capitalism, with no Marxism

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>>133135684
>it's because of the strangulation of enterprise due to regulation
Remember the good old days before business regulation? Yeah, fun, live on starvation diets, die at work, live in dilapidated houses rented from the employer on employer land, forced to buy from shops also run by your employer, 10+ hour work days and zero benefits, fuck what a paradise that was.

Again, Americans fail to realize just how close they were to being born in these times, literally 100 years ago, one of these kids could have been you.

>>133135915
I'm a company and I want cheap labour. I see that spics offer lots of cheap labour. I want to go and trade with said spics. Oops, arbitrary lines drawn on the Earth limiting our nations. Fuck statism because anti-statism is true capitalism.
This means no state borders. Companies WILL push for mass migration because it always means cheaper labour. Capitalism, for this reason, must be globalist in nature. Hence the whole outsourcing to the cheapest market thing: it's always internationalized for a reason.

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>>133129989
the nose knows. Whatever stance you guys have politically/ethically/morally, I always noticed Jew posters tend to be pretty much right on the money.

pun intended

>>133129284
the upper class don't hate you and view you as a piece of farm equipment. that's a meme started by lower class people who don't share your work ethic and want to pass responsibility for their lives onto other people.

>>133136170
You don't know the hardships I have had to endure. I might as well have been born back then.

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>>133136112
>It's about who you know. Who can pull strings for you. Stop lying.
didnt work for bohemian grove on nov 8

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>>133136299
Yeah okay, the fact of the matter is thanks to business regulations this shit is thankfully illegal now.

>>133136306
What spoiled nigger. You don't know shit.

>>133136429
Uh huh. What is the hardest job you personally have had?

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>>133136231
you would have a very strong argument against this supposed capitalism you have described, if we were not forced to pay taxes
but we ARE forrced to pay taxes. any capitalist becomes "globalist" when the taxing entity is a douche. see any trump rally he can tell you all about it

>>133136553
What the fuck does that matter? I worked in an aluminum factory.

>>133136471
ok. this is a free speech zone. tell me the real story on bohemian grove

>>133136592
You will get cancer.

>>133136588
>if we were not forced to pay taxes
That's one of the things I do support taxes on: for state borders. I don't want to pay some guy to only defend my private property borders, it must be a national effort, for the collective.

>>133136662
How would I know. I'm just a poor farmboy.

>>133136738
Is this somehow relevant to something?

>>133129284
well it's quite simple
if you're not a dumb piece of farm equipment then you are literate enough and articulate enough to put the bastards in their place
if not, then you are in your place
hierarchy achieved

>>133133969
It doesn't work. Because commies are dumb parasites.

>>133136885
No, I just don't like leafs.

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Because it's not real capitalism, goy. Capitalism has never truly been tried.

>>133137241
>Because commies are dumb parasites.
Thanks, I try to take as much as I can from the bourgeoisie as possible.

>>133133734
They hate capitalism. They want ever expanding taxation.

They are commies.

>>133129284
>When they destroy unions
Capitalists do not destroy unions. In a capitalist society everyone would have freedom of association.

>When they send me to war to fight
Capitalists only defend themselves if attacked. NAP applies to fighting wars as well.

>When they bribe whatever government officials are in power
This is only possible because government officials have the power to make your life worse.

>When unemployment is skyrocketing
Capitalists always hire more when it is economically viable.

Too lazy to reply everything since I think I made my point. You are describing problems of statism or statist capitalism. Not capitalism.

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>>133137876
Wow, another American that has no idea what communism is.

What exactly causes one to become so confident in talking about things they don't understand?

>>133130333
>Trading things of value or even using money to facilitate trading are not inherently capitalistic concepts.
But it is.

>>133129485
underrated FPBP

>>133133200
It is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative

Wasn't Marx middle class, lmao

>>133140689
Didn't Marx also love bbc?

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>>133129284
>Leafpost
>Wahhh people I don't know hate meeeeeeeeeeee

Eat shit you fucking piece of shit Canadian filth

>>133129284
>d view me as a dumb piece of farm equipment?
prove them wrong.

Why do Marxists support a middle-class BBC lover?

>>133129284
We need to get rid of corporationism.