Tesla model 3 is costing 35,000$

>>133119440
35,000 isn't a rich person car you dumbfuck
I pull in 70k, putting me solidly middle class, my next car is gonna be 28k (the price of that tesla after the credit)

Cuckla model meme

>>133119681
How stupid do you have to be to spend ~45% of your yearly income on a vehicle? I make just under double what you make and I'm still driving my 10 year old VW TDI

>>133119918
No one pays for a car upfront unless they can afford it.

LOL 35k is low tier at best for "nice" cars (Low-end Cadillac or Jeep Liberty at best) my current car is paid off in 1 year, at which point I am buying a Tesla and I am just a chill middle class dude

>this man got 500,000 people to put money down on a car without detailing the powertain and vaguely saying it'd do 215 miles

Not a fan of the increasingly blurred lines between car and tech people, as the tech people are fucking retarded and increasingly shaping how an industry that has consistently delivered and pioneered works.

>>133119918
Wtf are you even talking about
You drop 5-10 k with savings and trade in, then your loan is about 18k, spread over 5 years.
My last car was 23, and we were only making 55k then, and we're gonna pay it off 2 years in advance.
We own a house too.
This isn't hard.

>>133119440
There will be no tax credit. Tesla has sold too many cars for the federal credit. Only state tax breaks will apply.

>>133120112
I never said they did. I said it's foolish to purchase a car thats 40-50% of your yearly income. You'll end up paying significantly more than 35,000 for the car before you've paid the loan off.

>>133119440
Nice try Mario. I'm still not going to buy an Italian car. My Model S P85D is the best godamned car I've ever owned.

>>133119918
Good for you, but other anons here are not living the same poorfag life as you are.

>>133120288
Wow, you totally proved me wrong with accurate statistics and not meaningless figures that don't factor into the equation

i got a chevy volt. hah. i barely go to the gas station - maybe every 2 months lol

>>133120290
No, it's not expected to his 200k until 2018

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>>133120344
>paying significantly more
Not really true these days when there are so many <1% APR offers. It's more about opportunity cost, since the money can't go to actual investments.

>>133119918
with all the tax breaks available for electric cars in some regions (like california for example), it can be a smart move financially to.. finance an electric car

>>133120497
I gave you my statistics
You criticized my actions, i explained why they were logical for me.

>>133120663
The average reader of this board isn't going to qualify for 1% APR. They'd be lucky to get 5%.

>>133119440

Tesla cars are notoriously unreliable and prone to malfunction. They couldn't get their 100k+ models to a reasonable standard of quality assurance, what makes you think the 35k poverty models are going to be anything but hunks of electric shit?

Trust me, the model 3 will be an enormous flop with a stupidly high rate of lemons. People who buy these can look forward to having it in the shop for service half the year.

>>133120743
You didn't explain why it is logical. You made no argument why buying a car that is nearly half of 1 year's income is a sensible decision.

While it is POSSIBLE to pay it, it's a stupid decision.

>>133120636
Carpool lane access just for driving a tesla? HNNNNNGGG

>>133120760
Well first off, of course they'd be lucky to get 5, this is an auto loan, not a home loan. Dunno where that anon got 1%
But if you have decent credit, you can get 0% apr for 6 months/year, and if you pay the loan off early, that puts you closer to 3%

>>133120918
>Tesla cars are notoriously unreliable and prone to malfunction.

Any stories? I've only heard of the one catching on fire, after it was in a big accident. Then the retard who ignored almost a dozen warnings to pay attention.

>>133119440
As usual /pol/ misses the forest for the trees - the real takeaway is that all-electrics are getting substantially cheaper. Within the next 5-10 years they'll be as affordable as conventional vehicles.

>>133121005
>But if you have decent credit
>Most readers of this board won't qualify

I'm saying most readers here probably don't have a 800+ credit score.

>>133120935
Dude, it's 350 a month
That's less than the average student loan.

>>133119918

Cars are one of the worst "investments" you can make. They depreciate faster than just about anything you can buy with money, and most people finance cars with high interest loans.

Step 1 of not being a slave to the jew - purchase affordable cars WITH CASH until such a time that you're rich enough to buy pricier shit down the road. Upside of having cash is that you have a lot more leverage when you negotiate with the dealer, pay no interest, and also won't be able to overspend like most people do with credit.

You can absolutely find a comfortable/reliable car that gets you from point A to point B for under 10k.

>>133121201
see:
>>133121262

It's an objectively stupid investment for someone making as little money as you.

>>133119681
I hope you lose your job and go homeless, evfag

>>133120760
I just bought a car last month with a credit score of 690 and got .99% interest on a new car. It was at a credit union, so ymmv.

>>133121201
>350 a month
cunt i pay that much a week in rent

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>>133120979
If you live in Ontario you get lane access and 14,000$ rebate.

>>133121105
the door handle not cooperating and showing its face as it should when you approach the car is a common complaint

>>133121566
You got a very good deal anon. Is it a 5 year loan? How much did you borrow?

>>133121105

Look on youtube, you'll find plenty of disgruntled tesla fanboys bitching about how their falcon wing doors are fucked, or how the sensors don't work at all.

Here's the most popular tech nigger on youtube bitching about how his P100D (highest spec model tesla offers) has had *multiple* steering column failures while he was driving on the fucking highway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5z0dW60KE&t=108s

This kind of mechanical failure is the type of shit that will literally get someone killed eventually. And this is in a 130-140k cost car.

>>133119918
Doesn't understand the power of leverage

>>133121622
Don't worry goys, we're still a rich country haha Ignore the fact that most of our younger population will never be able to own a home haha

>>133121262
Anon, getting a loan is financially better than paying cash. If you account for inflation and opportunity cost, there's no reason to turn down a 1% loan for a car.

>>133121660
It's amortized at 60 months but I scheduled my payments to pay it off in 36. The car was only 18k, so my payments will be next to nothing.

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>>133121741
>Doesn't understand the power of leverage
oh i think he understands the power of leverage alright

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This car, with a dub 300 mile range before recharge, is only for Californians who stay in their perpetual -300 mile bubble and people looking for a second car, all for continuity of their masturbatory life style.

Poor people usually live in apartments which don't have access to overnight recharge stations and will never get them.

So yes, this is a car for people who can afford more than the majority of the rest

Tesla investors will be BTFO once Toyota makes a competing model.

What you guys don't get is that electric cars are very simple to make. The easiest cars to make. So easy. Even Peugeot or FIAT could make a Tesla Model 3. Maybe even better.

The only hard part are the batteries, which Tesla as demonstrated by having their cars catch fire every so often. This isn't worse than ICE cars catching fires, but it shows that it's an inheriant problem.

You faggots mark my words here. Invest in companies researching alternate battery chemistries for electric cars. Lithium is rare and expensive. Air and zinc? Nickel-metal hydride? Not so much. This isn't just important to competitors or price points, but for the secondary market for Tesla cars who have batteries that toast from use. Used electric cars are traditionally seen as worthless, since the batteries to restore them are worth more than the car several times over. This is where after-market batteries make their way into the market.

>>133121262
Just wanted to add I did a project that for my finance class where I proved statistically that you are better off buying a 10k Ish car every year than buying a 30k car every 5.

It comes down to cashflow and rate of failure. If your 10k car doesn't break down it just gets more and more valuable. The 30k car MUST NOT break down within the first 3 years just to get out of danger.

And even if the 10k car breaks you can usually buy another one by the time it happens.

>>133119681
that's dumb.

>>133119918
i make more than $70K and I drive a $17K car

>>133121937
What? I live in suburbia and this car would be perfect for me. Even if I have to go to my in-laws an hour away, this car could make the trip easily.

300 miles is roughly the range of most gas cars anyway. If you install the 220v adapter, you'd be fine. The real question is how well the battery will hold up.

>>133121353
No it's not. I've been living on less wages with more debt for years.
In a year's time, I'll have an extra 550 a month due to debts being paid off.
Even now, I'm putting 5 figures into savings every year.
Why the fuck do you think it's so terrible that I'll be spending 350 a month
>>133121619
1400 a month is less than i pay for mortgage.
>>133121444
I hate evs, I'd never buy one. They can't even run in most places where i live

>>133121975
Very interesting, anon. Do you have more information?

>>133119440
Im more pissed at the corporate welfare tesla gets

>>133121262
The dealer's here never lower the price for cash. they make more on loans and so many people come to get loans they don't need to lower the price to make a sale.

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>>133119440
So they can afford to pay the carbon tax when charging their "green" cars from coal plants.

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>>133122128

Filling up a gas tank takes minutes. A rechargeable battery that size for such machinery will take hours.

>>133122438
My point is that you rarely travel far enough that you have to refill a gas tank on the same trip. With a 220v connector, you can recharge in 2-3 hours. This battery works for 99% use cases.

>>133122161
>No it's not. I've been living on less wages with more debt for years.
>Why the fuck do you think it's so terrible that I'll be spending 350 a month
good goy

>>133122161
>I've been living on less wages with more debt for years.
I can tell you're not a thinking man

>>133122382
Dealers making money on loans would only happen if cars paid in cash were cheaper, but you claim they aren't
Dealers don't get the loan fees, the bank does.

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>>133120760
Good point. Kinda forgot the financing deals are just to get people into the dealerships.

>>133121802

>getting a loan is better than paying cash

That's fucking retarded. Most young people have no fucking need of a brand new 18-20k car. It's irresponsible overspending to fill a need (reliable transportation) that you could've done at half the cost (or a third, if you know what you're looking for). You buy a comfortable used car with no issues at 8k with cash, pocket 12k for your savings or to invest, pay no fucking interest ever, and never have to worry about a monthly bill.

You're just providing stupid advice to justify your monthly jew tax for the next 36 months. Keep on taking more loans and credit, friend. Inflation and opportunity cast make cash worthless compared to jew plastic, right?

>>133122161
Its your money do what you want but electric cars are not an investment but a lifestyle choice. You get perks to drive and purchase them because of that reason alone plus they cut down on smog in the cities so the government supports them. In 10 years your tesla will be junk while gas powered vehicles can have a resell value.
>>133122282
Cutting down on city pollution is huge. The government wants this.

>>133122382
This. I always get outside financing through my credit union and I never tell them until the end. You have more leverage if they think they're getting the usury shekels.

>>133122671
Dealers find financing and take a cut of it.

>>133119440
>buying a $35k car
>rich

lol

>>133122735
Then get a loan for a cheaper car. The loan rates are lower than inflation. There's no reason to use cash. Keep the cash in your money market account.

>>133122438
High current charging is a thing, and modern li-on cells can charge 75-90% of their capacity so long as the power phase can take the heat. Of course when you deal with something the size of a car battery's capacity you're dealing with drastically more power, it would be significant strain on the grid, but the concept is the same.

>>133119440
Nice, ill stick with my silverado though getting 12mpg in the citty

>>133122863
>The loan rates are lower than inflation.
THIS ISN'T A GOOD THING

>>133121622
>$14,000 rebate
>It's a rebate in CAD
>The car is $45,000 CAD
>You still pay $31,000 CAD even with the rebate

I gotta get out of this country.

>>133120760
820 credit rating my poor friend. I do and spending 30% of my yearly income on a car isn't a big deal.

>>133122757
>Dealers find financing and take a cut of it.
>Using the dealer to find financing
This happens? Literally no one I've ever met has done this

>>133122575

Like I said. Poor people tend to live in apartments. without access to their own electricity in their own garage the poor will not get a Tesla, and ofc, the people who do need a tax credit are poor people.

>>133119440
>Why are rich people on welfare in America
How else could these retards get rich?

>>133121956
Tesla is one of the companies researching alternative battery chemistries for electric cars

Following your own advice, people should be investing in Tesla, but it's pretty clear with your cherry picking that you don't want them to do this.

You're kind of an idiot.

>>133122945
LOL Pedestrians on the street must love you.

>>133120497
Shhh, you're embarrassing yourself.

idgaf until they can make a small suv. Cars are for people who want to die in fender benders.

>>133121975
This. Only I do it more hardcore.

I make ~60k/yr and I drive cars I buy for around 1k-3k. I've driven them for up to 3 years with no major repairs, then sell them for pretty much what I paid for them.

If the car only lasts a year before it totally dies and I sell it for scrap, it's still cheaper (and better for the environment) than buying/ financing/ leasing a newer vehicle.

It's borderline retarded to buy or lease a new vehicle.

>>133123119
This is actually how more and more car maker make money. Not with the profit on the cars, but with the financial services they bundle for people who don't have the cash upfront.

>>133122438
It takes about an hour.

The answer is to drive gasoline instead of electric when traveling across the entire continental US. A use-case scenario that makes up less than 0.1% of driving in America.

99% of drivers travel less than 50 miles, in total, per day.

Not that you give a shit about facts when you have a bone to pick with electrics.

>>133119440
Should also mention that this is a car that tracks you everywhere you go, records everything you do, and can be remote controlled or killed at any time. Enjoy your upgrade idiots.

>>133123130
Poor people get tax credits
Where the fuck do you get the idea they don't. 50 million americans are under the taxable line, due to tax credits and deductions.
That's poor people

>>133119681
The dumbfuck is you, because tesla set of powerwall and electric car spares you a shitload of money.

DIY powerwall and switching to dc-powered devices at least for light, will spare you even more.

You will at least double this investment in 10 years. That is the real estate rate.

As for spacex and vacuum trains - it`s worthless scam.
SpaceX will go profitable, when they at least drop their fake shame and user Russian-developed N-1 "last stage directly to the moon" rocket.

>>133122863
At this point I'm convinced you're larping as a jew
Why the fuck would I take out a car loan on a cheaper car?
You can get a cozy used civic or camry or smth for 6-7k with a decade of use left in it. Poorfags have no reason to not do this, and if you can't save up 6-7k, stop going out to eat.
I highly fucking doubt that people buying the cheapest car possible are going to even have a money market account anyway, there's the jew side of you showing, assuming people are constantly investing just like your kike ass.
People take out car loans to afford to go to concerts (the auditory jew) or go out to eat at fancy places (the dining jew), or the movies (the visual jew). Avoid the jew traps and you won't need a loan ever.

>>133123474

See>>133123130
>>133121937

There is no problem with electric cars, I do however have a problem with tax credits to an accessory, that's what this "car" is.

Also, kill yourself

haha poorfags lol just got 21'' wheels on my benz
suck it up wagecucks

>>133119681
>70k
>middle class
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH

>>133123013
>THIS ISN'T A GOOD THING
It also isn't true, inflation's been running under 2% since the recession; you'd be very luck to get a non-promotional (normal) car loan for less than about 7%.

>>133119440
ITT: Retarded cucks buying anything more expensive than 15k-20k on a car trying to act like it's okay because "lul ev1 is doing it! Just make payments to the j00 bank."

Morons. My car was 14k brand new while pulling in over 60k a year. It's dumb as fuck to spend 30k on a fucking CAR! lmao wtf.

>>133123205
Tesla also markets to upscale customers and expects a 30%+ profit ratio on everything they sell. They also absolutely dominate the servicing and repairs on their cars, going as far as to open their own body work shops.

They're going for a cult following, but people will recognize a stealership when they see one. This idea is for the future, when warrantys expire. A small company selling batteries comparable with Tesla vehicle models, with a cheaper battery chemistry, will make a shit ton of money, but avoid Tesla-Brand-Tesla-Batteries sold at 30% mark-up with ultra-rare earth toxic shitty metals.

>No one even disputing the OPs false claim on price ITT

What the fuck? If Musk himself admits that the model 3 will cost 42-45k minimum, how the fuck are you still talking 35?

Various car sites speculate the real price, if you want all the extras, best interior etc. will cost you around 70k

TWICE the original price, so much for your "affordable" electric car, what a joke

>>133122863

The national average for US auto loan interest rates in 2017 is 4.21% on 60 month loans.

These rates go up according to several factors, most of which are stacked against young borrowers with thin credit history and fairly new careers/low job security. Statistically speaking; fuck off jew.

>>133123861
The tax credits exist to promote "green" energy. It's an environmentalist thing and has absolutely nothing to do with electrics or electric manufacturers.

I don't know why you have such a stick up your ass about it. There's nothing wrong with encouraging ICE alternatives.

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>>133122438
Electricity is way cheaper tho.
And if you travel far, you can just take benzin part of your hybrid engine with you.

There is no concept of such modular car yet, because burgers stole Russian technology of hybrid cars w/o any credit, so we lost interest in this market in general. So you have to go burger-way and rent a trailer with generator.

>>133120266
liberals just hear electric and Tesla for a not ridiculous amount of money and buy it to virtue signal how much they care about the earth (and they're so much better than you and a citizen of the future)
It's like how libs bought prius' when they do more harm in their construction than a 50's banger with no catalytic converter does in 20 years of running

>>133123814
... Did you quote the wrong post? Cause i didn't say anything like that.

>>133124207
> why do we even have nice things? waaaah
come the fuck on nigger

The rich elite strikes again.
first they make sure they own a monopoly, then they let it be manufactured in colonial cicrumstances, then they get everything they make subsidised and afterwards they get tax credit on it.

sheeple who think they are middleclass but are just the slaves of the capitalist minority

>>133124006
It's literally the average income filed to the irs
Middle class
Not everyone lives in nyc or san fran, where 70k isn't enough for a single person, let alone family

>>133124244
Lithium-Ion batteries are not cadmium-lead batteries buddy. You're stuck 30 years in the past.
It's pretty clear Tesla is going for the "Apple of cars" appearance, but that shit works and Apple is the biggest company in the world today.

>>133124358
>It's like how libs bought prius' when they do more harm in their construction than a 50's banger with no catalytic converter does in 20 years of running
Low IQ uninformed voter detected. Keep jerking that knee at anything technological and new. I bet you also believe the oil industry when they tell you the subisidies Tesla gets are badwrongevil; just make sure you never look at the billions in subsidies the oil conglomerates get, it might induce some cognitive dissonance in you and wake you up from being a complete fuckwit.

>>133124732
Not an argument.

Go buy your bling bling coon shoes and pretend the cribs crew is going to do a walk through your house

>>133123528
Thats the future of city policing. No longer will the police use spike strips but rather shut off your vehicle.

>>133124853
>Low IQ uninformed voter detected.
seems like you don't have an argument there

>>133124207
Some people need bigger vehicles you know.

>>133124734
>The rich elite strikes again
Back in highschool, I used to know these two kids in this jew family. Their parents both drove teslas, and one day, their parents bought BOTH kids their own tesla, each. Weird coincidence huh? Funny how life works this way. I wonder if they bought those teslas with 15% loans, or with cash?

>>133124294
That's cause the debate isn't about tesla being affordable, it's about whether 25-30k is alright to spend on a car.

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>>133119681
>Falling for the new-car Jew.

>>133119440
because the poor pay for it.

Example: the rescue of the banks.

>>133123814
I doubt the vaccuum trains are going anywhere, but spacex's raptor rocket engines are already outperforming every engine on the N1, which has had 4 attempted launches and failed every single one.

How you figure they'd only be profitable with less efficient, heavier russian rocket engines that have only ever exploded, I can't fathom.

>>133125059
Absolutely. If you actually have a job that requires a truck or 4+ kids then it's possible you might creep into the 25-35k range. But you really shouldn't be shitting out that many kids unless you make ~80k+

>>133125203
You arent purchasing a car you are buying a lifestyle. In 10 years teslas become junk unlike every gas powered vehicle on the planet.

>>133125073
They just buy them with tax-credit and their dad's management bonus.

They basically stole the money from the working class. Everyone, except them, paid for it via tax and via labour they should have gotten paid for.

Why do you think the rich don't pay taxes? Then they would have to buy their luxury items with their own labour.

>>133124972
With self driving cars, the police will just have you pull over
Much safer
But far less reason to pull you over

>>133119918

Most people pay a few grand up front and pay off the rest monthly with a loan

>>133123875
Those things are notorious for blow-outs.
Have fun looking like a nigger with your aluminum wagon wheels.

>>133120288

I got a $8,000 trade in for my old car when I bought a 2017 Jeep a month ago. Its a few hundred a month payment for six year loan.

>>133125444
I hear Teslas can self drive. So same thing they will direct your car over and then kill it.

>>133125439
My wife felt that way
Until we started trying to concieve
Now she wishes we started at 50k.
Kids aren't that expensive. Millenials aren't having kids cause they keep telling themselves they need some ridiculous amount of money to have them.
My dad had 4 kids before he started making that kind of money, and for the first three he was definitely in lower class.
Now he makes ~180k a year.
Young people can have kids. We've got to stop telling them to wait until they make more.

>>133119440
Buy Tesla shares instead of Tesla Cars. You will be rich.

>>133125442
Jews are ironically labor-averse. From my experience with jews. Once, I asked this jew girl who I was working with to pick up a fucking water bottle that dropped on the floor cuz I was pushing a cart between some tables and she just looked at me. I said please and she just kept looking. So I just walked around the cart and picked up the water bottle myself like a good goyim. Looking back, I got seriously goyim'd.
As a commie you might enjoy this soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuZUOjRVSfc

>>133124853
>Low IQ uninformed voter detected. Keep jerking that knee at anything technological and new. I bet you also believe the oil industry when they tell you the subisidies Tesla gets are badwrongevil; just make sure you never look at the billions in subsidies the oil conglomerates get, it might induce some cognitive dissonance in you and wake you up from being a complete fuckwit.
Don't get too triggered about how your prius is a complete sham, cuncuck.
Stop sperging and prove me wrong you raging nancyboy. Look into how the prius is made and then how much fuel it uses and show me anything I said is false.

>>133125816
Why? Musk has been shown to be terrible at consumer sales

>>133125691
They produce a car for roughly $5,000 using child labour and underpaid labour and you happily trade in your own car, which they will sell for twice the price to other sheeple, and get chained by a loan which leads to you paying the price twice over.

Enjoy getting cucked by the elites

>>133119440
Amber must be wearing him out n the sack. He looks beat.

>>133125950
Jeeps are made in America, no child labor

>ITT they fall for the electric car meme.

>>133121956
>You faggots mark my words here. Invest in companies researching alternate battery chemistries for electric cars.

Lithium is just as expensive as other metals for battery tech. What it lacks in abundance, it makes up in ease of production. By mass, all lithium batteries are mostly other metals anyway--lithium is not a limiting factor. Also it doesn't matter if old batteries get shittier when all engines get shittier too. Not to mention that battery manufacturers can do closed loop recycling of those 1000lb battery systems.

>>133125947
Electric cars will happen. Every manufacturer is adopting it. Tesla has a monopoly on electric cars and charging network. Also they have a huge factory making batteries. No matter what happens to Tesla model S or 3 Tesla will be making trillions.

>>133124006
Summer comes in all forms I see

>>133125780
redpill: millenials want to make lots of money and spend it on the material jew. They are afraid that kids will impede their ability to spend on hedonistic pleasures.
Such things as WIC have existed for a while now. You can really raise any amount of kids while completely unemployed, as proven by our lovely POC towers in every major city. Remeber hearing about that syrian "refugee" guy who made some 300,000 dollars a year in welfare while completely unemployed because he had 3 wives and like 25 kids he could claim as dependents? Our country provides for your kids, it's the way it works.

>>133125881
The rich elite just brainwash them in believing in their capitalist gods. They honestly believe that if you are devoted to modern slavery you will become a good citizen.

People just need to enhance themself from the capitalist propaganda and create their own future with their own hands.

We shouldn't be telling ourselves lies about how everything is our own fault if something goes wrong.

It's the fault of the rich elite that made us believe taking loans and buying luxury items is needed. They make the protelerians addicted to alcohol and drugs and gambling and then they say it's your own fault.

Stop acting like sheeple and happiness will come to you and your comrades.

>>133125780
Unless you want to send them to a private school rather than a public school, or one of the parents agrees to homeschool them, cutting your income in half.

Dont buy a new car, get a used one thats in decent shape and save yourself thousands

>>133119440
AH AH AH welcome to socialism America. Needing "incentives" to force your meme cars on the public with their own tax money. Elon Musk is such a cock sucker it's not even funny.

>>133126298
Not trillions, just billions

>>133119918
This board is 18+

>>133126136
They are put together by the child labour produced robots that made everyone lose their job.

and all the materials are imported from child laboured minerals in poor regions where people are brainwashed into the globalist economy myths.

If you honestly think they are produced with your own comrades their hard labour you are ignoring the facts.

>>133126539
are you telling me to seize the means of production or to live in welfareville california?

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>>133119440
>No speedometer on the dash

>>133126298
Yup the free market does not exist anymore. If the government wants an industry they will get it as control trumps profit.
>>133126336
Millennials dont believe in family thats all. Having kids is entrapment bottom line.

>>133126641
Elon doesn't decide if his cars get incentives or not.

And these subsidies exist to promote technological advancement. The real cucks are those manipulated by Elon's competition into believing everything he does is some sort of scam.

does this car drive itself? because the only way i would get a faggy electric car is if it drove itself. it's pretty amazing self driving cars are already only 70k but thats still too much for me. but i would pay 35k for a car that drove itself.

i mean ffs it drives itself

>>133121691
Meanwhile it's probably the safest car ever built. Keep on hating poorfag.

>>133126828
You must take control back from the elite who are brainwashing you daily with advertisements and alcohol, drugs and gambling.

It's you and your comrades their life and their labour, if you let someone make money of your labour you are nothing more than a mindless slave.

It doesn't matter where you live or who you are, take back your freedom.

I thought that americans knew what freedom was?

>>133125691
>2017 Jeep
You've had a chance to buy something worthwhile yet you chose the shittiest fucking possibility there is. They'd have to pay me to get a jeep( and I would still end up losing money because its a fucking SINK).

>>133127113
No. Not entirely.
Known problems...

>Truck in the road make the autopilot go mad.
>Bad lane markings means computer isn't reliable in rural areas
> Their autopilot director changes every month. Problems?
>It takes enormous computing power to entrust the car to a machine.

>>133127113
Enjoy your luxury item made by the enslavement of your comrades. So you can drive to the slave factory that you call your work so you can buy more alcohol and drugs.

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>>133127133
>accusing americans of being poor
atleast our country has testosterone.

>>133119440
I never realized it, but that is a regressive tax policy... The credit should grow based on income, so if you have low income you get a 27,500 credit. That would really have an interesting effect.

>>133127296
Start a business and make your own money if the system is so skewed against the working man you cunt, my father did and he had literally nothing

>>133124006
t. shitposter

>>133120385
So what do you do if you have to drive more than 300 miles in a day?

I live in the midwest and I end up driving shit like that all the time. I couldn't imagine sitting around waiting for it to charge for 30 minutes. Meanwhile anxiously looking on the dash to find the next charging station.

>>133127473
>accusing your brainwashed enslaved comrades of the lies they were told by your countries elite so you can buy cheap products so the rich elite can keep you satisfied.

>>133119440
Guarantee most will sell for 50k + and they wont actually be on sale for another 6 months in any scale beyond a few dozen.

>>133127561
That's just an example of the brainwashing the elite uses. Your father is nothing more than living propaganda. He still has nothing if you take your fathers luxury items like drugs and alcohol and subtract his labour, physical exhaustion and all his bank and gambling debts he still has nothing.

The only thing he has done is make money for the elite

>>133127652
I'm not satisfied at all, I think about suicide on the daily. Jews really need to step it up on the satisfying us scale.
It was tragic to see the CCCP fall. In your opinion, was gorbachev a jew?

>>133127645
This is not made for you. This is mainly for urban driving. There is not her company called Lucid Air that's gonna make a 400 mile car (50 thousand dollars)

>>133127896
He went from being in poverty to a multimillionaire in 40 years.

The elite are the elite because they have snowballed their money like I intend to and it's very easy to make money once you have enough of it.
You will never get to them you retard, they will simply move away and anywhere else on the globe will take them in.

If you try and make the whole world communist the ones that adopt capitalism will completely anihilate the others in trade. How do you not understand this?
If you are too stupid to make your own money you can't just blame the rich, faggot.

>>133128028
No comrade has done anything bad, he was nothing but a brainwashed slave for the rich elite of the fake sovjet union.

Everyone knows that the power was grabbed by the new elite after the revolution.

We still have to wait for the state of complete freedom of the working class.

>>133124358
This. Battery production and mining the metal uses as much or more energy than buying a gasoline vehicle would. It just makes those energy costs less transparent to the consumer.

>>133128328
You are nothing but a brainwashed comrade. Millions of pieces of paper still aren't worth more than a set of trees. His wealth is nothing more than a set of zero's on his digital propaganda machine.

If you really believe the lies of the elite that you can create your own future by working for the elite and earning digital zeroes and pieces of paper I can do nothing but hope you will turn to the side of your comrades who actually were enlightened by the revolutionary ideas of free working class.

Even the capitalist can't win in a game they play with themselves.

>>133128660
You're actually just repeating propaganda/lies spread by tesla's competitors.

congrats on falling for it I guess

>>133128335
>state of complete freedom of the working class
That will basically never happen in a country as large as Russia, or the US. Vietnam is okay... but it's vietnam.
wanna know something ironic about vietnam? There's this really expensive restaurant in the rich part of town, in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). Like, super expensive. Guess what it's named? The Bourgeoisie.

>>133128988
Source that battery production and metal mining doesnt consume as much electricity as buying a has vehicle?

>>133119681
This! Way to open many poorfags around!

28k is about the average spent in the US ato but a new car. Haters gonna hate because we're not dirt poor like Eurofags with 1500 euro a month salary.

>>133129088
Even the countries that the elite point out as communist are nothing more but elite ruled countries with a red facade.

There is only a chance of a free state if we stop believing in the brainwashing of the elite.
It is nothing more than a new variant of religion, which was used to keep the working class dumb before the capitalist facade took it's place.

It's a pity that the revolutions were taken over by the greedy so they can live in power and the other elite can point at them to make the socialist ideology look bad.

>>133127296
You keep pointing at alcohol and drugs as if they're exclusively tools used by the rich elite to control the masses. Untrue. Hillary Clinton is a raging alcohol. Wall street millionaires snort lines of coc on the daily. Rich people dope and drink just as much as the rest of us, they just get away with it because they can afford it.
Most people turn to H just because every other drug is way too expensive to get high on all the time. Rich people don't have that problem, so they can continue snorting lines of cocs off of hooker's breasts.
Or maybe I have been misled? Perhaps The Wolf of Wallstreet is a genius manipulative tool of the jew to convince middle classers that upper classes do drugs and live reckless lifestyles. They jews are trying to stray us away from their elite club, perhaps?

>>133119440
There is a very big difference if the state leaves you some money and gives you money.

>>133128752
You're the brainwashed one mate, your system has never worked, the people that run it will always be corrupt and the elites you think you can overthrow will just run the central bank and government. Absolute power and all that.

My father never worked for anyone either.
He started his own business because he saw that people would pay over the value of the goods he provided for the convenience of not building them themselves. Then he built up a circle of friends in high places and never let them down. Anyone can do that, if you want it to change then you have to make people refuse to pay for convenience, and they never will.

Money and trade of goods and services has been around since the dawn of civilization and it is not going anywhere.

You can hate the elites for they manipulation of the population as that is completely wrong but capitalism has been the most successful system in history for good reason.

>>133129603
These aren't the elite, they are nothing more but living propaganda. Cocaine is just another drug to keep the working class dumb. But the more power the people have of overthrowing the real elite the more intense drugs they need to use to keep them dumb.

Why do you think no politician has risen for the working class and the establishment of the free working state. All the politicians who are able to do such a thing are being kept satisfied with luxury items, drugs. alcohol and lustful sex.

These people are used as a facade of free choice in the democratic nations.

>>133119918
There are two types of people. Some are like us when I paid for my car less than my monthly income, did it about 15 years ago and still drive it. Others would load up with credit to get one. Economy needs suckers to get going, so don't preach :)

>>133129487
>factoring cost of labor, materials, marketing, sales, development, miscellaneous overhead, and consumer willingness to pay into a price is now unethical

To the gas chambers with you, communist scum

>>133129200
You are trying to compare the entire logistic train of an electric vehicle, from minerals mined to fuel transport to ONLY the construction or usage of an ICE. It's not equivalent and you're an idiot for ever thinking they were.

I actually cannot fathom how people will attack EV's for lithium mines, but 100% ignore that oil needs to be mined, processed, shipped to countries over sea, then shipped all across the country by truck.

The energy costs between the two aren't even comparable. EV's are energy agnostic, they can get their electricity from 100% renewable sources - ICE's never can. The logistic/distribution chain for electrics is significantly more energy efficient than for ICE's, and electrics have significantly more efficient engines than ICE's.

Do people like you just literally believe anything a corporation tells you to believe? How do you always fall for this shitty propaganda?

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>live in a country where the price of a cheap new car is nearly 30 times your monthly paycheck
>americlaps bitching half their early income for a car is expensive

>>133119918
You don't buy a car every year, fuckwit.

>>133129781
No system has ever been tried. After the revolutions the greedy elite just took the power again only with a different facade.

It's true that corruption took place after those wonderful revolutions, but don't forget that corruption takes place in all forms of government.

It's just that the forms of corruptions of another facade are easier to notice because you only got the brainwashing for the state you live in.

And your father does work for someone else. Your father only got more power from the elite so it looked like he got more freedom by his labour,

If he really were a free person why would he take loans to set up and invest in his company? Why would he still go by the rules of the elite and strive for the consumption of luxury goods? He is just getting held satisfied by the elite.

And the fact that something has always been used doesn't mean it's a good thing. And because something seems like working the most succesful doesn't mean it is the best way of governing for all the comrades.

If you truly lived in freedom you wouldn't have a need for pieces of paper printed by the elite, or digital zeroes given to you by the elite so you can fight for more together with other brainwashed comrades.

Just look away from the facade and think to yourself why it seems that no one tries to grab the power in your society? It's because the elite already has it.

>>133131000
>This time it'll work
Keep up your delusion mate

>>133126738
Letting children make money isn't immoral

>>133126551
We're a single income family

>>133130241
Your economic terms are nothing more than brainwashing trivia used to make you believe the system is fair.

If everyone has the potention of living "The american dream" and becoming rich, why aren't you? Why are you here defending your capitalist propaganda system instead of enjoying your free life.

If you truly believed in your capitalist elite society you wouldn't be here firing your anger at me.

The fact that you try to hold your lifestyle togehter with all your might shows that the non-brainwashed part of your comradeself is still in there.

Use that critical part of yourself and free yourself from the chains of the elite. Free yourself, your family and other comrades and live a life without worrying about the future.

Work together towards a state of complete equality and freedom of the working class/

>>133119681
>He thinks 35k is the price tag BEFORE the subsidy
>He thinks the subsidy will still exist by the time the model 3 actually goes on the market
>He's excited to buy a car which takes 6 months to have any repairs done on due to backlogs and specialized labor

Enjoy your 45k electric shit box when you finally get it 2 years from now

>>133126298
>Tesla has a monopoly on electric cars and charging network.
No it doesn't
Wtf are you talking about
Telsa is a late game addition.
Chevy and Toyota beat him to it.

>>133131134
No, a revolution to just put another elite in power will not work and will never work, thats what I am saying here. It's the fact that people are and were willing to revolt that will bring the free state of the working class. There will come a day for our future generations that we can look into ourselves and say "no more!"

We must not place another elite in power but get rid of the power that makes our human mind corrupt.

>>133131657
I don't want a tesla
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point

>>133131403
Yes it is

1. Children can't negotiate their wages from an equal footing
2. Children should be getting educated, enjoying time as children, and preparing for society instead of slaving in a workmine
3. Child labor almost always involves flagrant disregard for any kind of worker safey

I mean, you can go all day on this, but there's not much point when corporatists like you think the only things that matters in life are money and ROI. You fly the gadsden flag, yet the reality is that you're little different from a communist slavedriver who cares little for rights and freedoms, let alone the quality of life in society.

>>133119440
Because of Jews

>>133131000
Stalin's propoganda should have worn off by now Ivan. Don't you have some vodka to drink?

>>133131403
All jobs at which the elite gets something in exchange for nothing more than existing is immoral.

And the fact that the elite does it with all comrades, even if they just learned how to stand up shows how toxic their ideology is.

>>133123831
>Why the fuck would I take out a car loan on a cheaper car?
Let's assume inflation is at 1% (it's probably higher but inflation statistics are hardly accurate), with that your loan is basically "free", except for the money you pay for the car.
By paying cash you lose out the opportunity to get like ~5% per annum on your cash.
Here's another trick when it comes to buying cars: buying the newest model over the previous year one is often a better decision since you end up paying less due to the 0% rates that the new models often get.
Just do your math if you want to make any serious purchase, but yeah I agree that buying 30k cars is a dumb idea unless you have a lot of money to waste on looking pretty.

>>133130271
It's not the electric motor vs an ICE, it's junking a perfectly good ICE vehicle for a new EV under the false comparison of environmental running costs vs environmental running costs. The ICE vehicle already exists, there's no environmental impact of running it past the actual impact of running it, instead of the impact of building THEN running the EV.

Comparison is clear and important.

>>133131983
Alcohol is a drug that keeps the working class dumb. And stalin was nothing more than the face of the new elite that took advantage of the revolution of the working class.

>>133120567
The subsidy is based on ANY manufacturer cracking that ceiling. Tesla's numbers are low, GM/Chevy is going to hit it will before then

>>133131919
It's not INHERENTLY wrong
All employment has the potential to be abusive.
But a 15 year old working (that's child labor) is normal
We really need to stop lengthening childhood beyond 14. Now it's 26.

>>133132442
You are blind to the immoral acts the elite cause against your fellow comrades.

>>133132151
Child labor is generally teenage labor, not infant labor
Also no elite makes money by simply existing.
You're talking like an 18 year old who just discovered the communism

>>133119440

Ay look now tax payers are going to pay any more to energy companies. They probably love all of the new cars plugging into their grids.

>>133132280
Even as a nigger i can tell that's bait.

>>133132298
No, go read any article about it this week, they're all adjusting it to 2018 now

>>133132280
You're back to claiming that the elites push alcohol on us. This is just not true. Gorbachev increased the taxes on wine and vodka throughout the country and attempted to curb russian alcoholism, which was running rampant.
Even here in the U.S., we pay massive alcohol taxes. The cheapest bottle of wine here in my state is 7 dollars! And that's only for 3 glasses. Barely enough to get tipsy.
Why has alcohol always been a thing, even when anarchy ruled, people drank mead and hard cider. Since the beginning of time, people have stomped on grapes to ferment wine.
The "ruling elite" do not push alcohol on us. Quite the opposite.

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Looks like the left shills are swarming Elon Musk lately.

> oy vey intelligent white man is making a public tech advancement footprint in human history, SHUT IT DOWN!

>>133132671
Sure, the elite in your elitist country dont let young children work to keep their parents satisfied. Afterall its easier to keep the parents satisfied with the fear of not being able to feed their children.

>>133132781
His name is Troelstra after all

>>133132593
>comrades
They aren't my comrades

>>133132671
>Also no elite makes money by simply existing.
When capital returns are ~5% and GDP growth ~2% with income growth being lower than that it's arguable.

>>133132781
If you keep believing in the lies of the elite that the truth about them is bait, you have officially lost the will to fight for freedom.

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>>133120534
>drive chevy

>>133133004
Not really, they still make choices

>>133119918
dumb as fuck, but people throwing away money on new cars is better for the smart ones buying used.

>>133132832
Because it's easier to keep people loyal to a governemnt that acts like it's trying to help you. But those taxes are nothing more of a way to make profit on the brainwashing items they use. Afterall, all money spend on the people can't be used to keep themselves in power and satisfy more comrades with lies.

If they really cared about your mental and physical health they would have banned all forms of drugs and alchohol and lustful items.

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Don't buy Tesla goyim! Musk works with the evil anti-semite & white racist donald trump.

> but we can't really call trump an anti-semite or white surpremacist or we will expose ourselves.

>>133133357
Actually musk left the advisory council since trump pulled out of the paris agreement.

>>133124006
70k is in the 80th percentile of earners you retard

>>133124853
>the louder I cry the more I win

>>133132899
All people are comrades of each other, without the need for greed we can live in the free working class state together without a problem.

We are all created from the same materials.

>>133133004
I'm glad you use our critical thinking my comrade

>>133133215
If you believe that uttering commands towards others is work worth millions you are just keeping your own brainwashed ideas intact.

>>133133215
Individuals make choices.
Statistics do not.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/assets/2015/07/fsm-irs-report_artfinal.pdf
Social mobility is pretty bad statistically.
Not saying it's a bad or good thing but it is how the system operates.

>>133133096
im a nigger faggot from brazil that has lived their entire life until in a fucking favela, you fag, the least fucking thing i could care about is the state of the elite or the government my nigga.

>>133119440
It's to incentivize people that would otherwise be looking at 30k+ cars to look into Tesla as an option. If you've ever been to the US, you'll see how many 30~40k vehicles are on the road. A good portion of them are leased, but some are bought. With the incentive, many individuals that aren't what would normally considered "rich" consider the car.
>>133121262
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>>133134102
Even under more harsh conditions you must work towards the enhancement of your thinking my comrade. Not caring about the devision of power is exactly what they want you to think.

>>133134280
you can only call me comrade if you wanna seize this bussy

>>133126738
Where are your sources?

>>133120266
I have some cash set aside for one of these a month or two after release, once Mr. Retard, Pretentious realizes it's too inconvenient for him/doesn't use it at all/can't afford the payment and it ends up on Craigslist.

>>133134495
it's a troll boo-boo

>>133134454
I truly understand that not trusting anything one says is your way of defending your last bit of humanity. I can do nothing more than hope you will join the suffrage movement of the working class.

>>133134495
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/Child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries/

>>133134845
Don't give them traffic
https://archive.is/Nho5X

>>133125691
You bought a fiat.

>>133134724
OH YEAH! OH DADDY! YES TALK DOWN TO ME UNNNHHH USE WORDS THAT ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF DATE, OH YEAH

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>>133122394
>US is 100% coal

Jesus, how does someone end up this retarded

>>133134845
Aight I could see that.

>>133134898
Thanks for the archive

>>133135168
Holy shit we're 20% nuclear?
Fukushima when

>>133135561
Nuclear is pretty safe, taking into account pollution and such safer than coal and maybe oil.
France was like 90% nuclear in the 2000, now down to around ~70% or something because muh safety and shit.

>>133135561
Dude, we're 45% Coal! Noah's flood when?

>>133119918
>>133121262
You two are the only financially literate posters in this thread.

>>133136768
Nah, buying cars with cash is a bad idea unless it's above ~3%.

>>133136731
Noah's flood was the ice age

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>>133137294
>ice age happens
>land area increases
>this somehow coincides with Noah's flood

>>133123119
My parents did this. They ended up spending like 30k on a 2013 Sentra. Meanwhile, I spent $6000 on a used car with low mileage.

>>133120195
>LOL 35k is low tier at best for "nice" cars (Low-end Cadillac or Jeep Liberty at best) my current car is paid off in 1 year, at which point I am buying a Tesla and I am just a chill middle class dude
Still no excuse to receive government benefits for it.

why not buy a used Chevy volt? you get battery and gas, seems like the best option in my opinion

Why not just buy a used dodge neon for under a 1000 dollars and drive it till it explodes?

>>133139524
Driving unreliable vehicles is a nightmare.
>>133139476
Yes because without incentive nobody would buy these cars. Again electric vehicles are a lifestyle choice the government is pushing on its citizens.

>>133120918
Less complex things are easier to make and cause less trouble

>>133124080
>Tfw 800 credit veteran
>Tfw <2% interest loans

>>133140097
I'd rather save tons of money and repair it every so often

THIS IS A SLIDE THREAD

>>133122047
>>133122047
>>133122047
>>133122047

>New Research Shows Guccifer 2.0 Files Were Copied Locally, Not Hacked

>>133123875
>that flag
>that post
I am confuse

>>133125780
Oh true. I was assuming no financial mobility.

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>>133119440

Or you could just buy a cheap diesel that gets 700km per tank and doesn't run on lithium ion batteries.

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we NEED to redpill this man

>>133119918
Whatever, it's your life. If having a nice vehicle is what you want with the fruits of your labor, whatever percentage of it, then that is your liberty to do it. I always liked nice rides, so not uncommon to get a 40-50k truck and stick another 10-15 in to it. Call it stupid. Whatever. Your wife will get in it when I ask her is she needs a ride, and you know those panties are gonna drop and I'm gonna bang her in the back seat while you're driving your ugly piece of shit stuck in traffic.
>t. Chad

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>>133119918

>>133141314
many of us can't afford the time to take our cars in for repairs, especially with a routine job schedule. I'd rather go with a 10 year old honda or toyota and be reasonably sure I could drive it for another 10 years with routine maintenance.