Anarcho-capitalism discussion

>>133105452

Bump

There was a recent Molyneux discussion, he started talking about how you don't need a state and everyone can just sue each other if they violate property rights. He went on to say the emergency services should be privatised, and he made the argument that that would be fine because of some TV show about a private investigator solving a case that he watched.

The whole thing was so funny, I kind of just want to discuss how crazy what he was saying was

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The thing about us, is that if you're leaving us alone, we'll never bother you.

Unlike rape gangs. Oh well, part and parcel, eh guvna?

>>133105741

Do you mind explaining how an anarcho-capitalist system would function?

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>>133106868
In their dreams

>>133106868
It doesn't. Might as well ask how communism works.

>>133106639
kek

>>133107074

I know it doesn't but I want to hear why he thinks it does

Also, communism has actually existed, it just doesn't work. Anarcho-capitalism could literally never exist, it would take about a week for tribal gangs to form and seize power.

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sic semper tyrannis

>>133107946
you ancap faggots are getting the gas. you are weimar tier and stand for nothing.

>>133107946

Fuck off to reddit faggot

>>133106984
Top keks

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>>133107946
>>>>>>>>>>>

Reddit is that way, my friend.

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>>133108035
>>133108135
>>133108314
triggered nu-/pol/ faggots

>>133108420

>Civic nationalist retards from Reddit with meme ideology call Nazis nu-pol

TOP KEK

>>133108420

Explain anarcho-capitalism

>>133108420
True /pol/ - kek. You're just redditors from the_Donald that came here after /pol/ became popular

>Leftists must be ridiculed and removed from our board
You're not doing anything of the sort, you're mostly attacking your (((allies))) instead of fighting the commies.

>The free market is the only moral economic system
Yeah, I don't think you know anything about Nazi Germany if you think they were socialists.

>Start up the chopper. We got ourselves some commie scum to remove

Only words, you ain't doing shit. In fact, when true /pol/acks call for leftists to be beheaded, you're nowhere to be seen. Instead, you're the typical leftist reddit cuck that wants to "reason with them"

>I am responsible for my own actions.

That's fine and good, but have you seen what's been happening around you by any chance? You may answer for your own actions, but other people do too. And what they're doing is pretty much leading to the collapse of our society.

Keep being the good goy you have always been, but at least promote your degenerate ideology sompleace where it'd be more fitting, like for example the place you've escaped from.

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>>133108640
Just leave you fucking newfag

Why would anyone need a government to dictate how to live, how to think and what to do while stealing your things? Big government is a result of giving the females the vote. They vote to make the government a replacement of a providing husband so they can enjoy all the benefits of men paying their life while living like degenerates. Statism is the true cuck ideology.

>>133109006
>>133109142

You two are no better than antifa anarchist retards

Go suck their dicks at Hamburg and shut the fuck up alstublieft

>>133109142
Good luck trying to live your life without a state. A cuck like you that wants to play an anarchist would get killed in the first day.

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>>133109246
get gassed you fucking kike

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nazis will get free rides on the day of the flight, along with their close ideological friends, the commies

>>133109260
So what exactly do you need a government for personally? Social security payments?

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>>133106984
>not reading contracts

>>133109766
Protection, education, a system of government that enables you to pay your bills like electricity, water, roads, city planning, millions of other things. Try living in an anarchist society - wtf are you going to do wthen a random thug pulls out a gun on you from behind and shoots you in the head just so he can take your stuff? What are you going to do to convince your fellows to provide for the management of the city? Who the fuck is going to regulate the market and the goods that are coming in the country and out of it?

Anarchism is just a pipe dream for retards who like roleplaying as if this is some kind of a game.

>>133105452
just fags who want to be edgy
SMALL GOV
LIBERTARIAN
CAPITALISM
NO FUCKING "I NEED "ANARCHO" IN MY "BELIEF" SYSTEM TO SOUND COOL" FAGGOTRY
A GOV SO SMALL, BUT A GOV, ANARCHO-CAPITALISM DOESN'T EVEN MATCH UP TO THE NAME AT ALL IN ANY SENSE AT ALL - IT'S ALL FUCKWANK

>>133105741
anarcho-capitalism: stops faggy people getting into trouble with other edgier and more stupid ideas
or
anarcho-capitalism: a gateway to more label faggotry
meh

>>133109766

You could never not have a "state", as in a dominant establishment who rules through force or the threat of force.

If your (very Jewish) ideology took hold, and the government was dissolved; tribal war bands would usurp authority within a week, and you and your property would be subject to them.

Tell me: how can you have property rights without a state or any authority?

>>133109839

How would contracts be enforced with no authority or law?

>>133108940
>Yeah, I don't think you know anything about Nazi Germany if you think they were socialists.

TOP. GODDAMN. MOTHERFUCKING. KEK.

>>133107074
>>133107447
he said it doesn't as in it doesn't work, not that it doesn't exist.
they're both fatalistic faggotry ideas
WE NEED TO STOP THE SPENDING
WE NEED TO STOP THE SPENDING
WE NEED TO STOP THE SPENDING
WE NEED TO STOP THE SPENDING
FYI: THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF SPENDING
YOU NEVER HEAR THIS
VERY IMPORTANT
THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF GOV SPEND
ONE IS THE MOST EVIL
AND IT'S NEVER MENTIONED
FUCKING HELL
WE NEED TO LITERALLY STRING UP THE FUCKING HOUSES, 99% FUCKING TRAITORS
ALL THE UNIONS
ALL THE TEACHERS
ALL THE FAGGOTS
STRING THEM ALL UP
FUCKING EVIL

>>133110389
They were not socialists in the sense of "gibsmedat" retard. Learn some goddamn history.

>>133110153
>Regulate the Market
>Roads

1. Shoot the thug.
2. Markets aren't regulated in AnCapism.

Are you that much of a cuck you worship and adore the state for "Protecting you?"

>>133105658
>and everyone can just sue each other if they violate property rights
that's the case as it is right now. everyone *can* sue each other right now. so this isn't some utopian thinking

>>133105452
I became one when I was forcefully drafted into the state's military forces for 3 years.
I experienced the horrors of collectevism and statism.

Anarcho captalism will purge society from welfare parasites, subhuman degenerates, niggers and retards.

>>133110438
Yeet. Waste of time.

>>133106868
in what sense? there's got to be a part that specifically confuses you

>>133107447
>Also, communism has actually existed,
yes, there have been some ancom attempts and some tribes still operate this way
>it just doesn't work
they can't into economic calculation, so everything must devolve to something primitive as a result.

>>133110584

The difference is there is a state to ultimately enforce all these laws a nd regulations that allow people to be sued.

If there is no state or authority, there is no way of suing anyone.

>>133110471
Hurr Durr if it's not marxist socialist it isn't socialist hurr durr.

>Learn some Goddamn history
>Uses the word "Goy"

LEL

>>133107447
>tribal gangs to form and seize power.
"there's a stronger group that could just take you over!"
yes, this is real life. this is how the world works today as well so it's not really an indictment or ancap

>>133109636
>muh Cia puppet

>>133108731
it's a philosophy that contains critiques of the state and proposes a system that emphasizes respect for private property and individualism with systems guided by the free market

>>133110557
>Shoot the thug
Good luck with that when he comes from behind and kill your dumb ass. This isn't an action movie, you'll be dead before you know it. And as the British Anon said, people would just form bands and take your shit, if there are no laws and nobody to stop them. Walking Dead, as shit of a series as it is, is pretty accurate in showing what humans do when there is nobody to keep them in check.

>Markets aren't regulated in AnCapism

And where exactly are you going to buy the goods you need from? You know that before these products go to the store, they have to be manufacted or made someplace else?

>>133110749
>gets insulted by the use of the word "goy"

Found the Jew. No wonder you're an Anarcho-Capitalist.

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>>133105452
>memeball not all black with big lips
>doesn't end with "SHHHEEEEIIIITTTT"

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Anarcho-Capitalism could ONLY work with a ver high IQ (130-ish average), extremely moral population. If the entire world was made up of people like our Founding Fathers or Ron Paul clones, then yes An-Cap would be a reasonable system, but it's not.

An-Caps are in their final stage of libertarian bargaining before they realize that the Left will never stop, that the "average person" is stupid, and that their system is essentially just idealism. They have a warped view on human nature, similar in scope to the marxists.

The NAP means nothing when the masses will form together out of fear and stupidity, and will be led by opportunistic, evil men. You cannot shoot them all by yourself, and therefore you need to form into a group of your own for protection.

There's a reason we evolved tribally, all of the "independent" proto-humans got wiped the fuck out.

What awaits them and the other "individualists":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pgnng3bVlc

>>133108940
>Nazi Germany if you think they were socialists
politically, they were at odds with "the socialists" but you're thinking of one group labelling themselves as socialists and the other group labelling themselves as something different (national socialists)

when viewed through the organization of the economic system, national socialists and socialists were very similar.

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>>133105452
And despite pic related also know that while AnCapism means well and is certainly preferable to statism but is utterly inferior to Laissez-faire Capitalism. LfCap>AnCap for the same reason Minarchism>Anarchism and THAT is because objective law>polycentric law. Read a little of this lexicon to discover why http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/anarchism.html

Ayn Rand's criticism of pure anarchism is irrefutable, especially in C:TUI. I like Molymeme just a case against anarchism can be observed in his attempt, and failure, to "rebutt" Ayn Rand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2sLnHpyG4
Observe the comment section.

>>133110153
>>133110327
I'd like to point out first that ancaps are not particularly against governments or any other human organizational structures. The issue with current governments is that you are forced with a threat of violence to belong to them and these governments initiate the use of violence against individuals and other groups.

>Protection, education, a system of government that enables you to pay your bills like electricity, water, roads, city planning, millions of other things
And why exactly it is only the divine government that can provide these things? Most of the things you mentioned are already taken care by private companies and governmental city planning just makes things much worse.

>wtf are you going to do wthen a random thug pulls out a gun on you from behind and shoots you in the head just so he can take your stuff?
Living in a statist society - wtf do you do when a random thug pulls out a gun on you from behind and shoots you in the head just so he can take your stuff? At least in ancap society I can have a gun myself.

>Who the fuck is going to regulate the market and the goods that are coming in the country and out of it?
No one needs this.

>Tell me: how can you have property rights without a state or any authority?
Contracts between willing parties would no disappear anywhere.

>>133107946
I agreed with this img

>all these defenders of marx

>>133109260
as silly as it is, the liberland folks haven't been killed so it looks like you're wrong again

>>133110374
>How would contracts be enforced with no authority or law?
ancap is about removal of state, not removal of law
you've never heard of polycentric legal systems before? lol

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>>133111110
>damn.....so fucking close

Tribal thinking redpill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ioWLLxa3I

>>133111259
>Ancaps are not particularly against governments or any other human organizational structures
Full fucking stop. Then second you adopt this you become a Minarchist.

>>133110742
>The difference is there is a state to ultimately enforce all these laws a nd regulations that allow people to be sued.
>If there is no state or authority, there is no way of suing anyone.
that's historically false

>>133110955
>Good luck with that when he comes from behind and kill your dumb ass. This isn't an action movie, you'll be dead before you know it. And as the British Anon said, people would just form bands and take your shit, if there are no laws and nobody to stop them. Walking Dead, as shit of a series as it is, is pretty accurate in showing what humans do when there is nobody to keep them in check.

>Assumes the other guy would win immediately.

>And where exactly are you going to buy the goods you need from? You know that before these products go to the store, they have to be manufacted or made someplace else?

Voluntary Companies would still function and work in AnCap society. No state however ensures the freedom to do so. Works off the basis of Natural selection.

>Found the Jew.
Everything this cancerous Nazi pretend-to-be-right-wing section of /pol/ doesn't like is Jewish. Lol. I bet you're a kike yourself. I'm no Jew.

And you must really be a cuck, you love the state and really think it should enforce morality and keep everyone in check. Collectivist Pseudo-intellectual leftist cuck.

>>133111509
This is not true. There is no reason for an ancap to stop voluntary association between people as long as they do not infringe the rights of others.

>>133111691
Yes it is. AnCaps postulate such things as the "competing governments" notion (intranational). Minarchists know that while the government should have VERY few roles that it mustembody; those that it does and should embody it needs to have a monopoly in them to stay objective.

>>133111116
*Pretty much* nothing in Nazi Germany was socialist besides its name.

>>133111259
>And why exactly it is only the divine government that can provide these things? Most of the things you mentioned are already taken care by private companies and governmental city planning just makes things much worse.

Because these private companies can extort the shit out of you if they want. You're gonna have to pay because you can't go without electricity or water. As for the city planning, try developing a city with a bunch of disorganized retards that don't know what they're doing and nobody to regulate them.

>Living in a statist society - wtf do you do when a random thug pulls out a gun on you from behind and shoots you in the head just so he can take your stuff? At least in ancap society I can have a gun myself.

First off, you can have a gun now. Second, that would happen a lot more regularly than it does now, if there is anarchism. There's literally nothing stopping me from entering your house in the middle of the night and killing you and your family besides my morals which not many people possess those.

>No one needs this.
So... who is going to buy the necessary goods and materials for your country to survive? Some random company?

>>133111286
Are you talking about the "country"?

>>133111600
>Everything this cancerous Nazi pretend-to-be-right-wing section of /pol/ doesn't like is Jewish. Lol. I bet you're a kike yourself. I'm no Jew.
Why did you get offended then? You're still mad.

>And you must really be a cuck, you love the state and really think it should enforce morality and keep everyone in check. Collectivist Pseudo-intellectual leftist cuck.

Yeah, because I don't live in a dreamland where everyone is perfect and everyone has the morals of a saint. Where everyone is intelligent. Look at these AntiFa losers in Germany, that's going to be happening every single day in an anarchist society, the difference would be only in the scale and severity.

>>133112096
>Why did you get offended then? You're still mad.
TopKek. Assumes Im a Jew, and call him out for being a socialist cuck because he uses the word "Goy"

>Yeah, because I don't live in a dreamland where everyone is perfect and everyone has the morals of a saint. Where everyone is intelligent. Look at these AntiFa losers in Germany, that's going to be happening every single day in an anarchist society, the difference would be only in the scale and severity.

Why are you hating on Antifa? They're statist leftist socialist cucks just like you lol. Why do you think the American Nazi Party and Communist Party both support Occupy wall street? Because economically they have extremely similar policies. The problem with you leftist cucks is that you think politics refers how to run a culture and morals. Not how a state functions.

>>133110611
it's not the only solution to collectivism
it's BULLSHIT, it's just communism by the back door - because power will be taken and used to redistribute - and how will it look?
"oh we'll all go back to being self-sufficient.. with an """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""equal"""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""share""""""""""""""""""""
HAHAHAHahhAHAhahAH
RISE UP AND TAKE THE MEANS OF WHAT?
THIS IS A COMMIE MEME
BULLSHIT

>>133112503
>TopKek. Assumes Im a Jew, and call him out for being a socialist cuck because he uses the word "Goy"

You're still mad, Schlomo. Look at you, you're probably busting a vein in real life.

>Why are you hating on Antifa? They're statist leftist socialist cucks just like you lol. Why do you think the American Nazi Party and Communist Party both support Occupy wall street? Because economically they have extremely similar policies. The problem with you leftist cucks is that you think politics refers how to run a culture and morals. Not how a state functions.

Dude, Antifa and you are practically part of the same movement. What's the difference between you and them? Literally none. That's why you're both attacking the Fascists - because your ideologies are extremely similiar. Have you seen an Antifa saying "Down with the Anarcho Libertarians"? Because I haven't. Furthermore, i'm the farthest thing you can go from a "lefty", so that's a stupid argument. Wanting a state doesn't have anything to do with your economic policies. Educate yourself.

>>133111259
move
move to unincorporated land
YOU CAN LITERALLY DO THIS NOW
ANOTHER: "I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE LIKE THIS..... BUT ONLY IF EEEEEVVEEEERRYYBBOOOOODDDDYYYY WAS FORCED TO LIVE LIKE THIS MEME"

NO
YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
YOU GO AND MOVE SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S UNINCORPORATED AND LIVE OFF GRID
WHAT'S STOPPING YOU?
WHAT'S DIFFERENT TO HOW YOU WANT IT?
IF YOU WERE IN CHARGE (HA!!) WHERE WOULD YOU LIVE< HOW AND WHY?
WHAT WOULD YOU EAT FOR BREAKFAST
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS YOU INSUFFERABLE FAGGOT CUNT

>>133110812

So a governing body that rules over you is inevitable, a state forming is inevitable; so you just want a different state.

Lol statist, anarch-capitalism cannot exist even just mentally

>>133111259
>No one needs this.
Excellent, I have some produce to sell to you
Buy from me or we fuck you up
You can already have a gun
It won't protect you from what I am going to do to you if you let me have free access to the ports and transportation on your local roads without paying tolls or taxes
you're so kind, going behind my trucks and patching up your roads for me
thank you for bearing the cost of me doing business

>>133112840
>RISE UP AND TAKE THE MEANS OF WHAT? THIS IS A COMMIE MEME
Ayn Rand said it best: "[...] An Industriaist... blank out, there is no such person. A factory is a natural resource, like a rock or a mud puddle."
This is how stupid Marxists are.

>>133112091
Why would any ancap have a problem if a group of people voluntarily decide to form a club and to pool their capital to build (for example) roads in their own land? As long as this club doesn't violate NAP of course. This club would basically be a government in that area.

>>133113003
Last time someone went to live off the grid in my country the government sent in the army to arrest him.

>>133113559
What country?

>>133112915
>You're still mad, Schlomo. Look at you, you're probably busting a vein in real life.

LEL, the only one who is mad is you Nazi scum, upset you lost the war so your "benevolent dictator" isn't around?

>Dude, Antifa and you are practically part of the same movement. What's the difference between you and them? Literally none. That's why you're both attacking the Fascists - because your ideologies are extremely similiar. Have you seen an Antifa saying "Down with the Anarcho Libertarians"? Because I haven't. Furthermore, i'm the farthest thing you can go from a "lefty", so that's a stupid argument. Wanting a state doesn't have anything to do with your economic policies. Educate yourself.

>Is a NatSoc
>Not a Lefty
>Ideologies are extremely similar.

I'll put it in terms your socialist retard ass can understand.

1. I'm an atheist without a single drop of Jewish blood.
2. We vehemently oppose Antifa due to their blatant racism against white people and their longing to create a communist state.
3. Using the term "Educate yourself" is such an SJW term, soros paid shill.
4. Wanting a state has fucking literally everything to do with it, the bigger the state, the less economic freedom.

KYS.

>>133111259

But when the established authority dissolves the tribal gangs that usurp power will be violent and will rule by force/threat of force.

Also, "contracts between willing parties" exist because there is an authority structure to enforce the contract. Without the authority, the law, the "government"; contracts would only be binding insofar as one wanted to be bound by it.

Being that there wouldn't be any threat of force from a powerful governing body, contracts would be null.

>>133113559
>Last time someone went to live off the grid in my country the government sent in the army to arrest him.
TADA - look how easily this faggot tries to excuse
> I WANT TO LIVE LIKE THIS, ONLY IF EVERY OTHER FUCKER IS FORCE TO LIVE LIKE THIS (WHERE "THIS" IS NEVER DEFINED - AND HAS NO BEARING ON ANARCHO OR CAPITALISM)
> WELL ONE GUY WASN'T ALLOWED SO WE NEED A REVOLUTION AND SHARE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTIO— WHOOPS I MEAN CAPITALISM IS GREAT HELLO FELLOW WHITE PERSON
FUCK YOU CUNT

TELL ME: IF LIVING OFF GRID IS """""ALLOWED"""""""""" AS YOU CONTEND IT ISN'T (YOU'RE LYING AND STUPID) THEN WHY DON'T YOU JUST PETITION TO BE ALLOWED TO LIVE HOW YOU WANT?
I BET THERE IS NO LAW STOPPING YOU FROM LIVING HOW YOU WANT

>>133111541

Okay, you sue me... There is no state or governing body. I simply say, "I'm not paying you, go away." You have to take up arms, so you're initiating force anyway. Unless you start rationalising none violent actions as initiation of force, as the Jewish ppl behind ancap seem to do

>>133110213
Legit fucking kill yourself you marxist scum. The state needs to enforce equality. You can't have "Anarcho" Communism. It's literally fucking impossible. Hierarchies are natural and can be done without a state, an equal society needs a state to force that equality.

>>133113857
Legit you sound like that 9 year kid Sceneable. MODS get this cancer removed.

Sage

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>>133105452
Anarcho-Captalism is the new fashion of those kids.

ANCAP is twice more utopian than Communism and Socialism, at least both we know are impossible to achive(See Soviet Union and China).

Just see the age of those faggots... 16-22 Years kids who think the world is walk in the park.

In fact State-Capitalism is showing to us that is the way to go.

>>133113697
>LEL, the only one who is mad is you Nazi scum, upset you lost the war so your "benevolent dictator" isn't around?
>hurr durr
>NO YOU!

You're no older than 12, am I correct? Would explain your stupidity, at least

>1. I'm an atheist without a single drop of Jewish blood.
*tips fedora*. I imagine you're also civic-nationalist, am I correct? Good goy.

>2. We vehemently oppose Antifa due to their blatant racism against white people and their longing to create a communist state.
Yeah, but they don't seem to oppose you. They haven't said a single bad thing about you, only the "Fascists". And why would they? You're practically the same. Furthermore, you haven't exactly been opposing them at all, everything I've seen from your ideology is getting bogged down into fights with the Nazis, instead of Antifa.

3. Using the term "Educate yourself" is such an SJW term, soros paid shill.

Great argument. But seriously, you should try educating yourself.

4. Wanting a state has fucking literally everything to do with it, the bigger the state, the less economic freedom.
What in the flying fuck are you talking about? You really are 12, aren't you?

>>133114193
Dont give (You) to people who dont use their Geographic Flag.

>>133113956
> you marxist
> state needs to enforce equality
> you can't have strawmen
> something else
what the fuck are you raving on about - I can only think that you've been BTFO so you're throwing out random meaningless comments as chaff
>>133114089
> marxist
again - since I am calling anarchofags marxist commies, and I am literally calling for a small gov capitalist state (constitutional republic) your comment comes off as some weirdo panicking and trying to confuse the situation
therefore, you're the marxist
go jew somewhere else

>>133108035
Hate banks
Believe in personal freedom as long as it doesn't violate others
Generally tend to think jews are fucks
Support racially segregated communities
Definitely like the jews. You're an idiot

>>133112503

Why makes ancap even more absurd, let's say a particular state was plunged into ancap, corporations ruled, people started developing their own militias...

But the NAP was respected, and so were property rights.

The country next door would simply invade you and take over your territory, that is ungoverned.

The border corporations could simply be bought out

>free market yo

You can have an ancap country, you'd need an ancap world. Or the strongest nations with a unified state would simply take over the divided individualistic ancap nations.

>"I will pay your private army Corp X amount to fight against private army Corp X..."

>>133105452
>they believe collective interests can be promoted through hyper-individualist dogma
Arrant bollocks.

>>133105452
>When Stefan Molyneux talks about this his arguments are absolutely stupid.
Yeah Mr "That's Not An Argument" has a pretty big blind spot when it comes to several of his own pet beliefs.

>>133114378
ancap is commie anti-nationalism fatalistic faggotry
soros and all this shareblue faggots are pushing 1000 different fronts on this
one is ancap as communism through the back door
the other is "hitler was cool right guys? that's why we need socialism"
jesus fucking christ
hitler was a weak minded fag who killed more whites and jews
was a socialist
is a faggot
all nazi parties are just commies trying to get racists who are innumerate and don't understand economics to vote communist
COMMIES MASQUERADE AS EVERYTHING:
GREEN
SOCIALIST
NATIONALIST SOC
ANCAP

BE FUCKING CAREFUL

>>133114193
Hey, Bulgarian fucker. Your country has experienced full statism before. Tell me how did that work out for you? Fucking Kike.

We oppose all forms of statist and anti-liberty ideas. Not a civic nationalist.

>You really are twelve aren't you?
>Uses an insult that a 12 year old would use.
>Assumes I'm Jewish

Also Antifa thinks we're also "Fascists." Legit everything that isn't Antifa is "Fascist."

>>133108731
Pretty straightforward explanation inbound.
You fuck off out of my business, I fuck off out of yours. If you want to interact with me, and I agree, then we're cool. If you harm someone else, you're fair game. If they harm you, they're fair game. Nobody has the right to demand shit from you unless it was either previously agreed upon or you've caused damages.

>>133114339
>Uses Jew as an insult.
>Advocates for a small gov capitalist state.

KEK

>>133114628
MY ID IS LITERALLY HAM
I HAVE BEEN ANOINTED BY KEK TO FUCK ALL YOUR MOSLEM COMMIE NIGGERS TO HELL
SO FUCK OFF WITH YOUR MARXIST COMMUNISM THROUGH THE BACK DOOR BULLSHIT!!!!!

STRONG FREEDOM
STRONG NATIONALISM
STRONG MARKETS
STRONG COMMUNITY
STRONG CAPITALISM
STRONG MILITARY
STRONG COUNTRY

THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS

>>133109260
So your basic argument is "without government to tell me no, I'd act just like a nigger"?

>>133114741
poor little cuck
he's off script
the little kike pedos he works for haven't provided scripts for this
he's just copy pasting shit and trying to make meaningless and baseless condemnations of things
> heheh small gov is bad because i greentexted it, i hope people will just believe me now hehehe

faggot
you have no power here

>>133110374
Protip : States enforce contracts as they please, lolbertarians are at least honest.

>>133105452
I've taken Hoppe's stance on this. Basically ancap can only exist if the property covenant is nearly completely white and monocultural; maybe a little Japanese.

>>133105658
people inflate the welfare state so much that they say "hey, it would only cost a little more to fire everyone we've hired to help manage all the welfare state (they lie and include medical staff) - we could give everyone money"

they then make police so bad (there is a psyop on police right now, they are literally hypnotizing people to kill people) they think it's easy just to privatize

(state policing is kind of private, county etc, to some degree we DO have private policing)

(there is a psyop on police right now, they are literally hypnotizing people to kill people)

(there is a psyop on police right now, they are literally hypnotizing people to kill people)

(there is a psyop on police right now, they are literally hypnotizing people to kill people)

>>133105452
I wish this was legal

>>133115065
ancap is anti-nationalism and communism through the back door
so what your saying is:

anti-nationalism and communism will only work with a strong nation state and strong private property hehehe

>>133111259
The bargaining continues...

>>133114650
>Hey, Bulgarian fucker. Your country has experienced full statism before. Tell me how did that work out for you? Fucking Kike.

Socialism, fag. It had little to do with the state.

>We oppose all forms of statist and anti-liberty ideas. Not a civic nationalist.

Nobody cares what you oppose. In an Anarchist society people will not ask you what you want, but what you can give. If you can't give them what they want, you're dead. Simple as that.

>Not a civic nationalist.

I bet. That's why you get so triggered by the Nazis and being called a Jew.

>Also Antifa thinks we're also "Fascists." Legit everything that isn't Antifa is "Fascist."

Nice LARP-ing right there, le civic-nationalist.

>>133114741
Look how this Jew gets triggered only at the mention of him being one. Spotting these Schlomos is so fucking easy.

>>133114860
Yeah, pretty much. Without government people would resort for the easy way out and I'm not the one that's going to be squashed like a bug. I'll just join the local paramilitary group and start wrecking shit up. I mean, I want to live in a fairy tail land where everyone will be nice to each other, where there would be no crimes, where people can group up and do amazing things, but that ain't happening EVER.

>>133110955
Your concern about thugs wouldn't be an issue in a segregated town which ancap ism allows for. Furthermore, you can just as easily be murdered for your shit in today's world.
The goods that need to be manufactured are still gonna be manufactured. Regulation doesn't magically make products appear. If anything, it makes them disappear.

>>133115244
just ask them what they are going to eat for breakfast, the entire argument falls down there

>>133115299
what. is. stopping. you. living. how. you. want. to. live. right. now?

>>133115275
Holy fuck people how hard is it to not reddit format your posts? I didn't even read it. Just LOOK at this stretched monstrosity.

How can ancaps advocate for a system that will reduce social mobility even further.

Basically, in an ancap society, if you're born poor you're 100% fucked. You don't even have the slightest glimmer of hope of bettering your situation.

I know you guys can't empathise with poor people since you're all white middle class people who had mummy and daddy pay for your schooling and pick you up from your sports games in their SUVs but try and put yourselves in the shoes of those less fortunate for a second.

>>133113158
Translation
"If there was no government, I'd act like a nigger. Fortunately, nobody in an armed society would even consider doing anything about it."
Companies already do this shit. If you sell products outside of regulations (or even just better than they do) they call in their thugs (lawyers) and their guns (government personnel) and then either have you arrested or bury you in litigation.

>>133115387
> I want to be a commie and share everything
ok, go be a commie and share everything
> no i mean I want to share your things
ok, here's a 308 bullet you can think about for a while, enjoy the light airy space between your ears faggot

KILL COMMIES FOR CHRIST

>>133115299
>Your concern about thugs wouldn't be an issue in a segregated town which ancap ism allows for. Furthermore, you can just as easily be murdered for your shit in today's world.

On what magical planet would that happen? People would just form paramilitary bands and just extort the shit out of you, like it or not. If you can't give them what they want, they'll just roll over you. Your second point is retarded as there are laws currently that prevent most people from doing what they like. Sure, there is a small minority that will break those laws, but you turn the world into an Anarchist shithole and that minority will suddenly become the majority out of self-preservation or just because they'd like it.

The problem with you Anarchists is that you believe that everyone in the world will act the way you want them to act and that's just a pipe dream.

>The goods that need to be manufactured are still gonna be manufactured. Regulation doesn't magically make products appear. If anything, it makes them disappear.
The thing is there are is no country that can manufacture and produce the things required to sustain it without importing or exporting.

>>133115604
translation
"nobody will act like a nigger ever, there will be no problems and everyone will all pitch in to pitch in with the roads"
good good good, I am glad, I am sure you're not going to be one who doesn't pitch in, eh?
> litigation
i don't recognize your court's authority
> regulations
jesus fucking christ, what kind of anarchy is this?

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Recently I've basically taken Anarcho capitalism to basically mean advocacy for governments that are run under property covenants.

Am I right about this? All AnCaps are in favor of voluntary associations, so a private states that more or less materialized inside of the market should consistent with the NAP right?

>>133111691
Here's the problem. Voluntary associations like this become increasingly cumbersome with size, just as with direct democracy. Your community would be unable to compete with the more authoritarian state next door and would be wiped out unless you also begin to centralise power. Before long you're locking people up who refuse to fight or pay for your arms.

>>133113731
Except who is gonna be willing to do business with you if you don't honor your agreements?
Think small scale. If your neighbor asks to borrow your shovel and agrees to bring it back within two days, and they keep it, will you trust them with agreements in the future? Furthermore, people talk. Everyone will know your neighbor doesn't hold up agreements and will either refuse to do business with them, or will charge them more to cover any potential losses.

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>>133115508
>I know you guys can't empathise with poor people since you're all white middle class people who had mummy and daddy

I was born in 3rd world shithole, yet made my way to America. Poor people can die in a sewer for all I care, because I was poor and I made it - there is no reason why you can't. If you can't - fucking die.

>>133113857
Off the top of my head, you're required to pay property taxes, your required to pay taxes on wages, you're required to report income (so it can be taxed), many states require you to live in an approved dwelling (hooked up to municipal or county utilities).

>>133115877
So people will stop doing business with a company after it's revealed that they put razor blades in childrens' cereal?

How can people be so stupid and naive as to think that businesses don't need regulation?

>>133113945
Ok, you refuse to honor your contract. I'm well within my rights to seek restitution. Whether I decide to or not, who is going to do business with a shady fuck? You'll either get blacklisted, or people will charge more for their services to cover potential losses (and likely demand payment up front).

>>133113956
>hierarchies are natural
>implying your core tenant (the NAP) is not in opposition to natural hierarchy
Nice try pretending you're right wing still.

>>133115954
You got a few lucky breaks so everyone else who isn't so lucky can get fucked?

>>133114518
He voted for Trump didn't he? Kind of disqualifies him as an ancap.

>>133116242
>lucky
How nice you are belittling my years of cleaning toilets and doing hard labour in other countries for peanuts to pay for my education to simply "luck". I hope you get cancer and die.

>>133115387
Regulations on what I can and cannot buy. Regulations demanding I sell to everyone. Regulations requiring me to be hooked up to municipal or county utilities. Regulations requiring me to report income and pay income tax. All of these are back with being caged, robbed, or killed. And if I defend myself, guess what happens?

>>133116417
Success always invovles a bit of luck. Stop pretending that if everyone worked hard we'd all be millionaires.

Besides you can't be very successful if you such a salty little cuck. Probably just LARPing.

>>133115954
>3rd world mongrel with a superiority complex
Average American poster, everybody.

>>133115508
Why not? You don't have to pay taxes, you don't have to pay for licensing or permits, you don't have to pay for expensive, government approved housing or goods. Walmart makes a killing selling to the poor. Why wouldn't a similar system pop up?

>>133110374
Privatised military and police force.

>>133116613
> Stop pretending that if everyone worked hard we'd all be millionaires.

How come 87% of Forbes list are from poor families? Yeah, they are also all lucky, sure. Get cancer.

>>133115792
Of course people will act like niggers. Thanks to a lack of regulations, i, my neighbors, and whoever else can either hire a well armed security company to deal with them, or we can use our recreational McNukes.
Why would everyone pitch in for the roads? Maybe for a main drag, you could pay like a subscription or some shit to use said road, but more likely you wouldn't. Local businesses would most likely want to make it easier for customers to get to them right? It's an investment. Just like how stores cover the cost of their parking lots out of pocket because their customers would rather use a nice parking lot than a mudhole.

A cap seems to be more an ideal than a functioning political ideology, at least at this point. It could probably work under controlled conditions, but I'm not confident it could hold itself up in the long run. Too many social factors are glossed over.

>>133116741
Why do think no respected economist advocates complete dissolution of the government?

Because it doesn't fucking work. Ancaps are like communists. You're naive.

>>133116742
So if I have more money than you I can hire more powerful security and your contract is worthless. Get fucked.

>>133116788
It's mostly luck yeah. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Most suck knowing that you cleaned toilets and toiled away like the peasant you are and you'll still never have the wealth that I have even though I barely work at all.

Stay salty.

>>133115843
As long as they don't force unagreed upon shit upon individuals, then yes. Likely, you'd sign a contract of some sort saying "yes, I agree to abide by the laws we've laid down and agreed to utilize our local crows court (or whatever) as a means of settling disputes."
If someone refuses to either sign said contract, they probably wouldn't be sold the land in the community or be given access to the goods the community provides (say if part of your contract is you agree to pay a monthly subscription for security services or whatever). If someone were to blow off their responsibilities, they would lose access to said services as well as nobody would likely do business with them. It's hard to get along when you're basically being shunned. Then they either have the option of making reparations, leaving, or stealing what they need to survive. The last option likely wouldn't play out very well for them.

>>133117136
>So if I have more money than you I can hire more powerful security and your contract is worthless. Get fucked.
But then that private agency becomes uninsurable by private insurance agencies.

>>133115851
As far as competition, I doubt it would be much of an issue. An ancap society could easily undersell any society that demands taxes. Militarily, they'd likely be tough to beat seeing as there's no command structure to take out in an ancap society. Furthermore, without a standing army, there'd be no reason to fight head on. Hell, they'd likely just offer up bounties for military leaders and heads of state. Ancap societies already thrive. The black and grey markets are already the second largest (possibly first but I'm not totally certain on that front so I'll say second) economies in the world. We've already seen how poorly states fight loosely centralized organizations.

>>133116117
Businesses already have regulations and already do terrible shit. The difference is, instead of just paying a fine and then getting bailed out, they'd tank. Why would a business do stupid shit if they don't have a government to save their asses? Small business owners bend over backwards for their customers so they don't tank. Large businesses don't because they know they're safe.

>>133117136
If you use thugs to break your contract, nobody will do business with you in the future.

>>133108940
>Yeah, I don't think you know anything about Nazi Germany if you think they were socialists.
they rose to power by promising government healthcare and jobs

>>133118402
>>133117742
Who's going to find out?

I'll just pay someone to have you meet with an unfortunate accident.

Jesus ancaps are so naive...

>>133118217
>Businesses already have regulations and already do terrible shit
That's true. Now imagine how much WORSE shit they'd do if they could get away with it.

This argument that people will boycott companies that do things that are unethical is grade A BULLSHIT.

Look at the way Amazon or Apple treats its workers or how Nike runs sweatshops in southeast Asia. Are they being run out of business as a result? Fuck no.

>>133105452
It is a fatally flawed ideology. Only way it can work is in a society populated only by autistic NEET that only want a bed and internet. Otherwise you got the MegaCorp that use toxic products that kill you after 10 years for a 5% extra profit and nobody can do shit because they have the market under monopoly.

>but muh free market, muh competition
there is no competition in a market with no regulation because the Standard Oil can just buy or undercut every competitors (thanks to scale economies) untill they have a monopoly. Repeat for every market and you have a cyberpunk dystopian future.

>>133105452
Rule of law, jurisprudence, and the court system is what holds society together. Without proper legal authority and enforcement mechanisms society would immediately collapse. No means of enforcing civil remedies, no means of adjudicating criminal behavior, no guarantee of civil liberties. Ancap is for soft-brained teenagers