What makes liberals tick?

>>133103773
>Why do liberals say stuff like "Im on the right side of history"
Because the future trends towards liberal. Or do you think that slavery will be reinstated and the right to vote taken from women and minorities? I promise you: unless the entire country ends, that will not happen.

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Imagine if you just listened to the first thing you heard about something everytime you found something new.

You'd be a Democrat, and you'd have no interest in widening the overton window.

Also, somehow I think people started mixing up The State and God...the world is so fucked up right now...Lord help us.

>>133103773
It has less to do with left wing economics and more to do with social policy. Those in favor of things like ending slavery, starting social security and Medicare, ending segregation and shit like that are viewed as being correct today. Economics on the other hand is up for debate. There's no real right side of history on that. Because you have people with super progressive policies economically, like fdr, go down as being good on the economy, and also progressive on economy Jimmy Carter being remembered as not so good. Same thing on the right. Reagan was good with the economy, while bush jr was shit.

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>>133103773
The segregate themselves from racial conflict while adulating over teh very same minorities they won't allow in their schools or to live in their neighborhoods.

Schizophrenia or pathological lying is the only explanation.

skip to 50 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yiYCHMAlM#t=0m50s

>>133104044

I never knew that modern conservatives believed slavery shouldn't have been abolished.

Society becoming more liberal means accepting everything that looks good on paper and gives you immediate good feefees.

>>133103773
It is a religion. Most people don't realize this.

One reason is that leftism is overwhelmingly secular (more than merely secular: it is inherently opposed to all traditional religions), and therefore people do not regard it as a religion. Another is that leftism so convincingly portrays itself as solely the product of reason, intellect, and science that it has not been seen as the dogma-based ideology that it is. Therefore, the vast majority of the people who affirm leftist beliefs think of their views as the only way to properly think about life.

That, in turn, explains why anyone who opposes leftism is labeled anti-intellectual, anti-progress, anti-science, anti-minority and anti-reason (among many other pejorative epithets): leftists truly believe that there is no other way to think.

>>133104153
Imagine if you just listened to the first thing you heard about something and then never changed your opinion for the rest of your life?

You'd be a Republican, and you'd have no interest in empathizing with another human being.

Also, somehow I think people started mixing up Money and God...the world is so fucked up right now...Lord help us.

>>133104431
>I never knew that modern conservatives believed slavery shouldn't have been abolished.
Bull shit. You hear it daily here and timidly muttered weekly/monthly on right-wing news outlets.

>Society becoming more liberal means accepting everything that looks good on paper and gives you immediate good feefees.
What does liberal vs conservative have to do with what looks good on paper? Are you saying that conservatives opt for things that DON'T look good on paper?

>>133104462

>if you don't want to take in millions of refugees , pay for my college and healthcare, you're incapable of empathy

I know you're just being a contrarian troll faggot, but surely you see the flaw in your arguement if by chance you're not

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>>133104462
>he thinks he got me, but his political opinions havent changed since he was 16

>mfw

>>133104620

>right wing news outlets

Give me an example.

Slavery was a blessing to black people, otherwise they would be stuck in some mud hut making fly cakes.

>>133104710
>>133104766
>both IDs dark like nubian queens
Nice.

>but surely you see the flaw in your arguement if by chance you're not
I wonder why there are so many refugees. I wonder why college and healthcare are so expensive that some people cannot afford them. Well, it's definitely not my fault OR my problem, so fuck em!

>Slavery was a blessing to black people, otherwise they would be stuck in some mud hut making fly cakes.
If it any way made them look bad, you'd be all for it. Why bother pretending? It's obvious you're so biased that you are incapable of change.

I bet you couldn't even fake praising a minority. Your programming prevents it. But don't worry, you're a free thinker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=augoWPge2II

educate yourselves my dudes

>>133105124
There are so many refugees and people who can't support themselves because of neocon globalists like Bush, Clinton, and McCain. The non neocon globalist wing of the Democratic Party is entirely neutered and only used to get votes from commies and socialists. The non neocon globalist wing of the Republican Party actually works from inside and outside the Party to get what they want.

>>133105124

>college is expensive

Ever heard of pell grants or financial aid? I dont have a dime to my name and Im in school.

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>>133105439
That's right, it's all the fault of the mean ol' globalists. Definitely not the ultra-rich, they're just good guys trying to make it in this crazy world.

>>133105461
Ah, and everyone else is just like you, right? All circumstances are identical, right? You can't even realize how lucky you are not to have student loans right off the bat, to be plunged into negative money.

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Ayn Rand discovered the why. She knew that the creed at the core of ALL of it was the primordial evil that is Altruism.
Also; look into r/K selection theory.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUo37wPD7sqalutN0LjPZH6kZz2SYm925
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/

>>133105620
See, this is what I mean. You are likely a bernie fanatic or a green party voter who thinks the Democratic party isn't equally bought out by rich corporations and other nations because they appeal to commies sometimes, even though all their policies and actually important positions are made by neocon globalists. You're probably some bluepilled faggot who thinks we actually invaded the middle east for oil and can't see across party lines either.

Here's a list of notable neocon globalists.

Marc Andreesen, Silicon Valley venture capitalist and former Romney donor.

Dan Akerson former General Motors CEO, says Clinton has “the experience and judgment to serve as an effective Commander in chief. In this election, I will cast my ballot for Secretary Clinton.”

Hamid Moghadam, Prologis CEO and immigrant from post-revolutionary Iran, says America is about tolerance and inclusion “and that’s why, as a lifelong Republican supporter, I endorse Hillary Clinton for president in this election.”

Douglas Brand, professor of political science at the College of the Holy Cross, wrote in Fortune Magazine, “To support Trump, we must sacrifice our principles and reconcile our minds to his. Better we should follow Hamilton’s example and support an opposing party whose principles we reject—and remain a principles party of opposition.”

Michael Vlock, Connecticut investor who has given nearly $5 million to Republicans in last two years. Michael Vlock is married to Karen Pritzker, and together through they own the Hyatt brand and have significant holdings in Apple, Inc.

William Oberndorf, California-based investor.

Craig Snyder, Republican lobbyist with Ikon Public Affairs.

Mike Fernandez, a healthcare magnate and one of Jeb Bush’s billionaires in Florida.

Mark Salter, former top adviser to Sen. John McCain.


1/2

>>133106775
>>133105620

Brent Scowcroft, foreign policy adviser to four GOP presidents.

Henry Paulson Jr. former treasury secretary under President George W. Bush.

Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state to George W. Bush.

Ken ((Adelman)), U.S. Arms Control director under Ronald Reagan.

Dr. Patrick Cronin, senior official at USAID during the W. Bush administration.

Philip ((Levy)), member of President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisors.

Tony Fratto, W. Bush administration deputy press secretary

Kori Schake, former George W. Bush National Security official

Alan Steinberg, Bush administration regional EPA administrator.

...

Notice what kind of names come up again and again.

>>133106775
>Here's a list of notable neocon globalists.
Who used to support the GOP, but supported hillary in the 2016 election.

>>133106775
>>133106807
You don't even bother to deny that the ultra-rich are the culprits. You honestly, truly believe that the dems are supported by the ultra-rich but that the republicans aren't?

Also, having liberal ideals or even just being a liberal doesn't make you a democrat. So what was your point here?

>>133104620
>Good on paper
Liberals/progressives tend to have a kindergarten mentality when it comes to fixing problems. The entire Sanders campaign was EVERYONE DESERVES EVERYTHING without any realistic method of accomplishing it

Yes, intelligent people opt for things that don't make people instantly happy, because long term outcomes are more important than pop culture optics and MUH HISTORY arguments

>>133103773
I have never met a white liberal that is happy white liberal. They're always dissatisfied about something it seems.

>>133107477
But but the bad guy in Harry Potter would have voted for Trump so like all republicans are evil okay

>>133104462
Empathy makes terrible public policy. Nice try burger

>>133107095
>You honestly, truly believe that the dems are supported by the ultra-rich but that the republicans aren't?
Holy shit, man, I spent 4 posts calling out rich neocon globalist shills who switch platforms at the drop of a hat and you think I'm pro "republican".

We could have a much greater influence over Western policy if the socialist left and nationalist right worked together on certain issues.

Neocons in both parties and neoliberals(those who pretend to be liberal, but serve corporate interests) on the left are keeping us apart from any kind of issue-by-issue co-operation, the only way to move forward is to kick them out entirely. It's just infuriating. It's gotten so bad that Republicans who don't want to go to war are labeled libertarian and Democrats who don't suck the Saudraeli cock are labeled traitors.

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>>133107095
Oh, and one the same note. Can't be assed to make a list right now, but I'm sure you remember all the neocon/neolib shills on the democrat side initially wanting trump to win the nomination. They wanted Trump up there. They thought he had no chance of winning against Hillary, but bombarded her campaign with millions just to be safe. Globalists and their sympathizers hated him so much that they threw everything at him, which ended up backfiring and just got him more and more attention and more eyes on his messages.

>>133104044
You do understand the Democrats were the slavery advocates, don't you? Surely you're not just commenting without understanding what you're talking about, right?

>>133104462
You never need to change your answer if it's right.
This is why people are liberals when they're young, and conservatives when they're old.

Live and learn.

Some liberals just don't do the second part.

>>133104462
>Imagine if you just listened to the first thing you heard about something and then never changed your opinion for the rest of your life?
>
>You'd be a Republican
The first thing most people hear is liberal media... Being a liberal and never changing your opinion for the rest of your life is the most popular thing you can do.

>>133109621
This. They still are, just now instead of the cotton plantation it is the vote plantation.

>>133103773
The assumption of "correct" stances on morality provides liberals with a foundation of supremacy over those who don't share their views. Much like a regular person feeling superior to a pedophile on no other information.

>>133103773
I'd also like to know. Why do they say "People should vote"?

>>133110223

The left always projects

>>133107095
>being this uneducated
>being this blinded by party politics
you need help m8

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>>133103773
Fundamentally they believe in cultural Marxist thought which says that if someone is successful, their success is at the expense of someone else. You can apply this to virtually anything such as economics (muh 99%) or race relations (muh poor oppressed minorities, white privilege, etc). They have a limited worldview where everything is a zero sum game, and any successful person must have oppressed someone else.

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>>133103773
>Why do liberals say stuff like "Im on the right side of history"

If you look at just the last 100 years, the world is generally much more liberal and progressive than it was at the beginning of the 20th century.

Also, life is generally better for most people, and that is connected to liberal and progressive values and policies.

So it's a pretty easy conclusion that liberalism equals progress and better lives for most.

Conservatism is anti progress by default. No progress means no improvement in peoples lives. Also, right wing policies are authoritarian, and authoritarianism rarely works, and if it does, it doesn't work for long and always ends in a revolution.

So yeah, liberalism is definitely "on the right side of history".

Perhaps it has something to do with an illusion of inherent superiority which negates the need, from their perspective, for critical thinking... With modern technology, it wouldn't be surprising if modern liberals just assume they're superior to people of the past and thus, just assume their feelings are correct.

Society has only ever gotten more liberal and progressive as time has gone on ... it will continue to do so and anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid. Liberals are angry because Trump wants to delay inevitable change during his tenure to please his ignorant base and get re-elected so he can continue to enrich himself and his family. This is literally the only reason.

>>133103773
Mostly because the majority of republicans are uneducated about policy and vote red because their church, fake news or their oversized amygdala told them they should or the bogeyman will get them

>>133103773
Because socity tends to grow more progressive over time.
Compare the world of 1300 BC to 1000AD then to 2010 AD.

People tend to not enjoy things like being abused, treated like shit, enslaved, and being beaten down.

So "liberals" tend to win unless any argument based on facts and reason.
Thank god for it to, otherwise you'd still be sucking British royal dick.

>>133111318
cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Exhibit A: liberal stupidity

>>133103773
I just tried having a normal conversation with a trump supporter and she didn't know anything about anything. Basically she just was "well I'm an American. I love America" that was her only talking point. She didn't know who anyone was except Donald trump, and she couldn't describe any single conservative idea except " well all I know is we need a wall" fucking morons lol

>>133111775
Edit... So "liberals" tend to win any argument based on facts and reason. Which is why trump's supporters tend to punch people when proven wrong.

>>133111928
We punch nazis

>>133107477
In fact deferral of gratification is one of the hallmarks of people with high IQ and is key to saving and investing to produce wealth rather than just splurging straight away.

whether you're liberal or conservative large comes down to your personality type, I think it's something like a .65 correlation with personality tratis going by the big 5 model which is something Jordan Peterson has worked on.

Predicted by personality traits that relate to orderliness and conscientiousness, as well as disgust sensitivity. What he's proposed is that it fundamentally comes down to borders and how orderly your personality is. People high in orderlyness and high in disgust sensitivity will want to put borders between things, such as country borders, city walls, segregation, etc.

Liberals are more tolerant of being mashed together in a big mixing pot of diversity.

He has an entire series of lectures on personality that are worth watching, you can find them on youtube.

>>133111928
It's the Left that exercises political violence to bully and silence their opponents. Have a collection of headlines:
-Inauguration protesters vandalize, set fires, try to disrupt Trump’s oath, as police arrest more than 200
-Protesters block road ahead of Trump rally in Fountain Hills
-Chaos Erupts in Chicago After Protesters Shut Down a Donald Trump Rally
-Three arrested in California attacks against Trump supporters
-Trump supporter in NJ attacked with crowbar on street, police say
-Trump Voter Shot After Bar Political Debate Turns Violent
-Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally
-Man who attempted to grab gun at rally wanted 'to kill Trump'
-Man who tried to rush stage at Trump rally pleads guilty

>>133103773
I havent yet found one thing that conservatards are right about, but have a go. I mean, if you were you wouldnt need to hide in an echo-chamber like /pol/ with "ironic" memes as earbuds and rhetorical hugboxes like "not an argument", "shill", "kike", "0.02 dollar in your account" would you?

>>133111802
>Exhibit A: liberal stupidity

imagine that, a conservative ignoring facts and common sense in order to justify their own regressive world view

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>>133112373
Things don't seem to be "progressing" very well for the Democrats

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>>133103773

Read the G20 manifesto and you get a good idea of what these "people" believe in.

https://g20tohell.blackblogs.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/337/2017/05/whdemo-en-web.pdf

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>>133112373
I only pointed our your faulty reasning and the likelihood that it is a consequence, as is your liberalism, of stupidity. You don't have enough information to deduce or even presume what I am or that I hold any "regressive" world views, idiot.

>>133103773
It's psychopathy.

Liberals don't actually think they are right, in fact many of them know for sure they are wrong, but what they seek is social superiority through any means.

They will pretend and lie and put on a huge act all just to fool people into thinking they are superior.

Google "liberal psychopaths" and you will see this phenomenon has been studied.

Liberals literally have psychopathic traits.

>>133112530
I thought the g20 had a bunch of kike bankers there too.

>>133103773
It's a biological drive disguised as a political ideology.
Google r/K selection.

>>133112530

Could be. The manifesto states this:

We are living in a time of rising
nationalism and hate towards minorities. Pogroms against refugees and other
population groups beyond majority, attacks on homosexual, trans* or inter*
people as well as the significance of fanaticism of whatever persuasion are
increasing dramatically.

>>133112564
>I only pointed our your faulty reasning

Ok, so why exactly is my reasoning faulty?

Is society getting more liberal? Yes.
Is life generally better for most people? Yes.

If liberalism isn't a good thing, why are both of those things true?

>>133112358
You see, when you say shit like that, that does nothing but insult the people your trying to debate with, and uses no rational thinking, data or citation. You are dismissed with the same amount of effort you put into your argument.
IE. Fuck off retard.

>>133103773

This doesn't really happen, stop buying into /pol/ straw men like an impressionable little bitch.

In other words:

>Why do trumpcucks say stuff like "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN", and "praise kek!". What makes trumpfags so irredeemably more degenerate than everyone else because they worship at the feet of another man?

>>133107095
>You honestly, truly believe that the dems are supported by the ultra-rich but that the republicans aren't?

Look at the campaign financing of Hillary's campaign vs. Trump's.

Huge difference.

The Democratic party is run by the ultra-rich, for the ultra-rich. The Republican party not so much.

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>>133112969
Why don't you just google it? You can't just glance over and ignore everything you don't understand. That's probably why you're a stupid liberal in the first place.

>>133112969
Because society is getting better due to capitalism and free trade. It is your burden of proof also to prove that those two reason are related, not our to disprove that they aren't.

>>133113031
Not an argument. You dont have one so you're "pounding the table" as they'd say in the pre-meme era.

>>133113055

over 90% of those financiers are Jews or jewish organizations, do your research and it becomes clear.

>>133112693
>Liberals don't actually think they are right, in fact many of them know for sure they are wrong,

I love insane arguments like these.

It's the same thing religious people say - every atheist actually knows that there is a god, but they claim to be atheists for some reason (the reason changes depending on who you talk to).

>>133113131
But, I did just objectively gave you an argument you fucking retard. I'm telling you that you are doing nothing productive and saying anything of value. It is now your turn to tell me that you somehow are.
But then again your a fucking idiot liberal, why am I even bothering.

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>>133113131
Fuck off, nobody likes you

>>133110223
Also note how many teenagers identify as liberals or even further. In highschool there was a couple months where I thought communism was the answer and identified as such. It was a natural progression for most kids, because they are stupid, know nothing of how the world works or the nature of man. Obviously I grew out of that shit pretty quick once I left the indoctrination factory and hit the real w9rld, but most people never do. Especially when the TV, Facebook, ND there friends are spouting constant propaganda for it.

>>133103773

the fundamentals of critical thinking, as outlined on the pol sticky, are widely ignored in all so-called conservative media like Murdoch's stable of clowns. Listen to these blowhards for a few minutes and if you dont feel like vomiting then there is something wrong with you.

There are no honest conservative intellectuals like Bill Buckley left anymore, we just have shit-tier demagogues like Hannity.

Plus the weird phenomenon of the closeted conservative: Drudge Breitbart Savage-Weiner Limbaugh all flaming closeted fags, it is like the catholic priesthood pedophile phenomenon

>>133113209
http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/10/liberals-not-conservatives-express-more

>>133112214
you just proved my point. thank you.

>>133113123
>Because society is getting better due to capitalism and free trade.

Sure, but capitalism and free trade are usually not something authoritarian dictatorships are know for, right?

>>133111891
Like there aren't mirror images of the person you describe on the Left.

>>133113055
Ever heard of the Koch brothers? Both parties are run by the rich for the rich you dickhead.

Anyway, there are differences in the brain structure of left wi gets and right wingers. Right wingers have a greater sense of fear and sights than left wingers. Source: google.

>>133113280
>REEEEEEE dont trigger me or I will refuse to talk to you

Is not an argument, buddy

>>133109621
Democrats are a party. Liberalism is a political ideology. Bernie sanders is a progressive socialist trying to sway the democratic party from its current neoliberalism. If we want to get real technical, most of these people who vote Democrat aren't liberal but moderate to extreme authoritarian leftists.

>>133113055
Trump was an outsider that nobody wanted both left and right. Jeb was their Hillary. Neoconservatives and neoliberals man. Same shit, one just pretends to think you should bake the cake and the other doesn't. Then they meet at the bars laughing that they got the normies pinned against each other occasionally going to the restrooms to do a line off the toilet seat.

>>133113055
>Claims democrats benefit the ultra-rich
Wew lad never go full retard

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>>133103773
nothing you dumbass. everyone is like that, you just don't notice your own form of stank.

>>133113524
>you just proved my point. thank you.
>citing examples of left wingers assaulting people proves my argument that left wingers win via fact and reason

>>133113662
>Both parties are run by the rich for the rich you dickhead.

It's all just a matter of perspective.

The Democratic party is funded at least 2x more by the rich than the Republican party.

>>133113748
By far the smartest post I've seen by a fascist. I feel embarrassed that my previous post was riddled with autocorrect errors now,

>>133104044

The Achaemenid Empire banned slavery. So did European Christians in the Middle Ages. And yet there are millions of slaves in the world right now. Obviously slavery is an abhorrent practice, but the Whig perspective on history is astoundingly myopic. I never know if people are actually serious when they express it.

>>133103773

conservatives have a 100 year track record of failure on every economic metric except one: making the rich richer.

Yet we are supposed to believe they are the economic experts. They keep peddling the trickle down and tax cuts create jobs after they have been shown not to work over and over. Because it makes the rich richer.

If economic performance is sorted by Dems vs Reps, then Dems beat Reps over last 100 years in alll metrics: GDP Jobs Debt Deficit etc etc

Yet conservatives still believe they are the experts in economics. It is truly a mental disorder.

>>133113897
Certainly wasnt true in 2008. Maybe in 2016, but if so only because how batshit the Republican party had gone by then. I mean, your young voters are literally nazis and fascists now.

>>133103773

theyve accepted a reality painted to them by media and re-enforced by education and are unwilling to see anything else. in this situation liberalism by today's standards (DNC variant) makes perfect sense. Consider opposing ideas are mocked and demonized through the whole education process and is the only narrative the media presents.

>>133113783
It's true though.

The Democratic party's main agenda is to create a super authoritarian nanny state that the super rich will use to control the population.

>>133107095
nigga u dumb af

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>>133113524
reading comprehension sure isn't your strong suit
why are you hiding your flag by the way?

>>133114037
nice satire kid

>>133103773
A major difference between the Right and the Left concerns the way each seeks to improve society.

Conservatives believe that the way to a better society is almost always through the moral improvement of the individual -- by each person doing battle with his or her own weaknesses and flaws.
The greatest battle of the individual must be with inner forces -- that is, with his or her moral failings.

The Left, on the other hand, believes that the way to a better society is almost always through doing battle with society’s moral failings.
Thus, in America, the Left concentrates its efforts on combatting sexism, racism, intolerance, xenophobia, homophobia, Islamophobia, and the many other evils that the Left believes permeate American society.

We are now producing vast numbers of Americans who are passionate about fixing America while doing next to nothing about fixing their own character.

>>133114037
>Yet conservatives still believe they are the experts in economics. It is truly a mental disorder.

Right wing politics is more akin to a sect for those aspiring to be successful. It's like joining the Church of Scientology or something.

>Trickle down works!
>Your one of us boy, you're hired

It's all batshit insane of course, but it's based on the notion that the right is for productive and successful people and the left is for mediocre people who want to keep them down and rob them of their just rewards.

>>133114143

>The (((Democratic))) party's main agenda is to create a super authoritarian nanny state that the Jews will use to control the Goyim.

Its true. That is why Trump is being attacked by the media unlike any US president before him.

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>>133107095
let's simplify things for you with pictures

>>133114143
>The Democratic party's main agenda is to create a super authoritarian nanny state that the super rich will use to control the population.

Right, because the people in the socialist "nanny state" scandinavian countries are miserable because of their free healthcare, schools and like two months paid vacation each year.

Fucking commies, am I right?

>>133114311
>Conservatives believe that the way to a better society is almost always through the moral improvement of the individual -- by each person doing battle with his or her own weaknesses and flaws.

This is something someone like WFB would write in the National Review in 1965. In 2017, the right fully believes in embracing the worst moral impulses and bettering nothing and no one. Rob what you can, grab what you can, be as obnoxious, as racist, as bigoted as you can. As long as you're pissing someone off you have to be doing something right.

It's all the fault of Talk Radio really.

>>133114400
>but it's based on the notion that the right is for productive and successful people and the left is for mediocre people who want to keep them down and rob them of their just rewards.
It's funny that you can describe exactly what's wrong with left wing politics but lack the self awareness to realize it's true.
The government redistributes trillions of dollars of wealth from the top earners to the bottom earners. In 2012, the top 20 percent earners lost $87,076 per person due to redistribution while the bottom 20 percent earners gained $27,071. https://taxfoundation.org/government-all-levels-redistributed-2-trillion-2012/

>>133103773
Because modern liberalism is a mental disorder. There is no other way to explain it.

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>>133103773
There was a study that showed 5 moral principles changing with political ideology.
Leftists cared a lot about harm and fairness but not as much about authority, purity or in group, rightists cared about them all about the same amount.

>>133114462
>scandinavian countries

Perfect example.

These countries are controlled by Leftist psychopaths who are slowly but surely creating a population of slaves through importation of easily controlled people and government censorship.

>>133111318
Socialism is the antithesis to progress my cuckold friend. Progress only happens at the expense of something else (plants, animals, humans). It only depends on who you want to fuck over, and as someone who isn't a poor dumbass in not voting democrats in so they can trample on me.

>>133114462

I'm sure they'll have absolutely no trouble maintaining their social programs once their countries become 50% muslim. It'll be totally smooth sailing, I have no doubt.

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>>133114462
They're probably miserable because their governments are inviting 3rd world barbarian invaders to enjoy the same benefits at their taxpayers' expense

>>133113662
>"muhamad brain structure argument"
If you would have bothered to read thone articles you would not that they don't claim one is better than the other. In fact current events would seem to indicate a healthy level of fear and distrust is essential.
I.e:
"Maybe it's not a great idea to let millions of single Arab who have high incidence of rape and no marketable skills into my country."
Vs.
"Illiterate fighting age men with a religion that is against everything I believe in? Where can I get some?! They can sleep in my daughters room! I'm sure nothing untoward will happen."

>>133114796

Taxation is harm though.

>>133107634
It's because they can understand other people's perspectives outside of themselves. It's called empathy. Even white people can be upset when there are fucked up things going on to other people

>>133103773
Cheap Oil and Cheap Food allow for easy living. When you live easy you tend to not care about sharing your daughter with a nigger.

Like, Oh My God, it's so unfair to have pretty colors. We will mix with brown men and they won't feel so ashamed of being brown. Isn't Liberalism great?

For anyone taking on the Left: They are weak to symbol dropping/graffiti. Put up famous symbols that they have been taught to hate and fear since birth, don't get caught by wearing gloves and being super stealthy at night, and watch the Liberals go berserk with rage.

They will be so angered by any challenge to their fragile ego that they will reveal their deep hatred of white males and drive such people from their movements.

Liberals can not move one inch without white male enforcers there to make sure they don't get hurt. Divide them from their white males and they are powerless.

>>133113588
Yeah and I've met them too but I've met and spoken with intelligent people on the left too. I haven't found one that voted for trump yet.

>>133114765
>It's funny that you can describe exactly what's wrong with left wing politics but lack the self awareness to realize it's true.

Because it's bullshit. There's a grain of truth of course. On an *individual level* it's infinitely better to believe in your own infinite capacity for success and go out there and create all that you can, earn all that you can, and realize the future you want for yourself and your kids. But when those incentives are put in play in very large groups of people and over long periods of time you get very nasty side effects (externalities you might say, using a technical term).

Those are typically that wealth and power tend to be institutionalized, because it's human nature that if you once got rich and acquired power, then you want to keep it. For yourself and for your children and for their children, forever and ever. And when you have power and money then you have a pretty good shot at making that happen.

The flip side is that powerlessness and poverty are also institutionalized. People who grow up in poverty and powerlessness grow up with fucked up incentives where robbing you, raping and murdering the rich guys daughter seems like an ok idea because your life is fucked anyway. Everyone loses. Unfortunately conservatards are incapable of putting two and two together and look further than my gibs and gets from the world and there you go.

>>133115009
Liberals actually scientifically have less empathy than conservatives:

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/10/liberals-not-conservatives-express-more

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>>133115347
All I see are a bunch of mass murderers on the left

>>133114863
>>133114897

It's always americans who are worried about muslims in fucking sweden. I actually know people from sweden. Sweden is fine.

You people need to fuck off and mind your own business (that's actually the only good idea Trump has).

Don't worry about europe and muslims, we'll figure it out. That's the whole point of this continent, different people who have to figure out how to live with each other. And that's what makes us what we are. But americans just don't understand things like that.

>>133103773
They don't really "tick". They were "ticking" at one time, and then just stopped or exploded.

Make it illegal to dump medication down the drain and we might see a reduction in brain-damage related ideologies gaining any traction.

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>>133114824
>Socialism is the antithesis to progress my cuckold friend.

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>>133115452
Except, our government redistributes trillions of dollars to those in poverty (and has been doing this for decades) with no results.
It's not simply about money. It's about culture, family, and tradition. 75% of black children are born out of wedlock and consequently blacks have the highest poverty rates and highest crime rates. The flip side of the coin is that a vanishingly small number of Asian families are single-parent households, and they tend to have the lowest crime rates and highest incomes.
See a pattern?

>>133104462
>Imagine if you just listened to the first thing you heard about something and then never changed your opinion for the rest of your life?
>You'd be a Republican
Nice projection.
>be born
>you're told the world is all sunshine and rainbows as an infant
>from 2-8 years old, you sit on the floor and cry if you don't get your way
>from 8-11 years old, your teachers paint you a very biased picture about diversity being good and white people being evil (native-americans being colonized, negro slavery etc.)
>from 11-18 years old, your teachers up the propaganda and focus on targeting christians, capitalism and anything white, while promoting islam, communism, etc.
>from 18 onwards, you're told to go to college and get a useless degree
>after being subverted by further propaganda from your professors and obtainig your useless degree, you get involved in politics
>tell everyone that the world is all sunshine and rainbows, and that we should welcome everyone with open arms (except right-wingers)
>you sit on the house floor and cry with your fellow democrats when you don't get your way
>start specifically targeting whites, christians, men, etc. as a result of the propaganda you were fed in school
>absolutely refuse to hear what the opposing side has to say

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>>133103773
I think we all just have our ticks and slogans. You also have to keep in mind that normal people don't really care about politics, at least not as much as people on a section on a site dedicated to it with people waving both swastika and hammer sickle flags. When you have people who don't really engage in politics they at the most just listen to people speak on issues and go with what they think sounds right. They also don't face rigorous opposition that requires them to strengthen/develop their argument. You know all those videos where people go to the political oppositions rally/protest and ask questions? They get laughs that people can't even articulate their political positions past slogans.
Why are you against gun control?
"OBAMA GUN TAKE MUH GUNS... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

Why are you for gun control?
"GUNS ARE EVIL THE REPUBLICANS AND NRA ARE NAZIS WHO WANT TO KILL US ALL"

Why are you for abortion?
"MUH WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE"

Why are you against abortion?
"MUH BIBLE... MUH MURDER"

Those videos may edit out the more cogent arguments but you got to think of it like this; Ben Shapiro is a masterful debater. If anyone here tried to debate his ideas he'd probably smash them. His skill is from having his whole life is basically dedicated to debate as well as natural abilities he possess. Take someone from a Ben Shapiro speech crowd though. Isolate them and begin debating them. They will probably resort to trying to restate Ben Shapiro talking points but will present weak arguments because they probably don't debate politics often and aren't like Ben. Both the right and left virtue signal my man. Just think about the thin blue line and "muh troops".

>>133114709

We're trying to bludgeon you with free speech until you un-clench your ass. Apparently...its not working.

>>133115729
> Muh north sea oil

You dumb nigger

>>133104458
Exactly this. Even more so it is becoming a religion of identity and the victimhood associated with it. The greater the """oppression""", the higher the rank (((((so brave)))). The truth is people who live vicariously through identity are miserable and never learn anything about themselves, only their perceived relations with other groups (cop + black = bad, etc). It's actually an incredibly backwards and stereotyping world view.

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>>133114709
>In 2017, the right fully believes in embracing the worst moral impulses and bettering nothing and no one. Rob what you can, grab what you can, be as obnoxious, as racist, as bigoted as you can.
But what the left has labeled as "obnoxious, racist, and bigoted" is completely arbitrary. For example, what is hate speech? According to the internet, "Hate speech is speech which attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender."

Now what do we have a definition of what hate speech is, let's think about how it is used. If I call someone a nigger, that is clearly an example of hate speech, that would be universally agreed upon. But If someone calls me a honkey, its not. Why is that? The left has changed the definition of racism to include "power and privilege" as a determining factor. Based on their perspective of history, the white man has held down the brown man. The white man calling someone a racial slur is hate speech. The brown man calling someone a racial slur isn't, because historically he has been "oppressed." A black man calling for violence against whites is perfectly acceptable, but if a white guy does it than it is horrid. Do you see how that is horseshit?

>>133116074
>You dumb nigger

and there it is

>>133114709
When liberals blame violent crime on poverty, one reason they do is that ever since the Enlightenment the Left has posited that human nature is good.
So, then, when people do bad things to other people, the Left argues that some outside forces -- usually poverty and, in the case of non-white criminals, racism -- are responsible, not human nature.

Why? Because people on the Left find it too painful to look reality in the eye and acknowledge that human nature is deeply flawed.

Why are many young black males in prison?
The reason is too painful for the Left to acknowledge and therefore it is politically incorrect to say it:
Young black males commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. And why are there speech codes on virtually all college campuses? Because the Left doesn’t want to hear facts or opinions that cause them pain.

One might say that Leftism appeals to those who wish to remain innocent.

Growing up and facing the fact that life is messy, difficult and painful is increasingly a conservative point of view.

>>133115347

>200 years of failure, genocide, starvation, mediocrity, and misery

or

>memes

>>133104620
>You hear it daily here and timidly muttered weekly/monthly on right-wing news outlets.
Then you shouldn't have any difficulty providing examples.

Examples or GTFO.

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>>133115347
Fixed your image

>>133104462
Only this is proven bullshit because Republicans voted Trump in the primaries. Republicans know he's more of a centrist but voted for him anyway because the neocons suck shit. They turned on their own party something liberals dont have the balls to do.
You faggots on the left will keep voting for the same people that sell you out. You'll march in your faggot rainbow parades like the good dick suckers you are and then vote for the party that wants to bring in people who would like nothing more than to throw you off a building.

>>133116218
The astronomical out-of-wedlock birth rate in black communities is the single biggest contributing factor to the endless cycle of poverty, welfare dependence, crime and incarceration among blacks (specifically black males, who are 6% of the population but commit 50% of all murders)

>>133115828
It does, and that's why we have a murder rate of 4 in 100000 ppl instead of hundreds or thousands; why we don't see French revolution style events because people are starving to death when times are bad; why people from low and middle class still believe they can make it since there are tax payer funded schools to attend and so on...

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>They want immigration but don't understand why there is shortage of housing.
>They want immigration but don't understand why wages have been stagnating.
>They want immigration but don't understand why education is declining and schools are overstretched.
>They want immigration but don't understand why the healthcare services are under pressure.

Yes, goyim, race mixing, promiscuity, and degeneracy is hip. Don't you want to be hip?

>What makes liberals so sure that their moral compass is more true than someone elses just because they virtue signal about muh refugees and free shit?
5k+ years of humanity on average moving towards progressive ideologies as a species

Unless you're planning to sell your daughter for 2 goats, you should realize that conservatism as a concept is doomed to failure.

>>133111313
i like those digits you got

>>133111318
Yeah liberalism sure has served los angelos well.

>>133116604
From the founding of the United States until the 1960s, schools -- and parents -- concentrated on character education. But, with the ascent of left-wing ideas, character education has all but disappeared from American schools. Instead, children are taught not to focus on their flaws but on America’s.
Social issues have replaced character education.

>>133116895
>5k+ years of humanity on average moving towards progressive ideologies as a species
Like what?
>Unless you're planning to sell your daughter for 2 goats, you should realize that conservatism as a concept is doomed to failure.
I am interested to see your argument for this. Surely you haven't confused smugness with intelligent thought, so surely you have one.

>>133116791
>They want immigration but don't understand why there is shortage of housing.
Houses outnumber homeless 6 to 1 here
>They want immigration but don't understand why wages have been stagnating.
Neither do you apparently because they've been stagnating in all industries despite foreign certifications not being worth the paper they're printed on for skilled labor causing several fields to be incredibly understaffed even while we inflict brain drain on developing countries.
>They want immigration but don't understand why education is declining and schools are overstretched.
Education is stagnant, not declining. It's improving everywhere else which is why our rank keeps dropping in the US.
>They want immigration but don't understand why the healthcare services are under pressure.
Lack of adequate staffing and corrupt business practices are why our healthcare services are under pressure. Half my family is nurses, doctors, physical therapists, and hospital administrators. You would not believe the shit shows they have to put up with.

>>133115009
They are empathy junkies. They are in love with feeling bad because they feel bad about themselves

>>133113350
This. In high school you think all people are equal. Once you get a job and live in the real world you realize everyone is not equal, and they don't deserve equal treatment or reward. I'm not going to pay the slacker employee the same as the one who does his duties properly. Socialism is a kids idea of what government should be.

>>133117760
>Like what?
Like you aren't a slave forced to die building a wall against invaders wanting your godking's throne only to have your corpse be used as building material to save on mess.

I should not have to explain in detail how society has changed since 5k years ago. That change is called progress and is brought on by progressives and is why people that fight changes to society, ie conservatives, are retarded.

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=129068

Lefties getting shoah'd in the comments.

>>133113897
Holy shit being this retarded.

Rich people want higher taxes right

>>133118310
>I should not have to explain in detail
Because you're a fucking idiot who doesn't have an argument nor reasons for spouting your ill-conceived beliefs.
>That change is called progress
Google, "rhetorical tautology," you stupid, non-thinking monkey.

>>133104044
>Because the future trends towards liberal.
This is some elite-tier cuck sloganeering. What does this even mean? What you might mean is that the future trends towards chaos. It cannot be stopped in the long run.

>>133103773
first step is setting a distinction between liberals, progressives & libertarians
then you can start analyzing

>>133118039
>thinking socialism is the same as communism
>working in jobs that lazy people can even work
>go stem faggot

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If illegals voted 70% republican, leftists would've had pitchforks and a gigantic wall built 50 years ago.

Mindless platitudes are used on both sides as battle cries. "the right side of history" is just one of the left's.

>>133118680
I'm actually against widespread immigration but if you include what immigrants pay in taxes and reduction in costs of food it actually favors immigrants. I just think it hurts blue collar Americans

>>133118513
Let's try this again.

Society has changed over 5k years.
That change has on average trended to progressive, not regressive, in nature with events like the Enlightenment and the advent of modern democracy promoting liberal ideals such as tolerance
Conservatives by definition adopt an ideology which prefers society not change and sometimes even get lumped together with reactionaries who would see it regress
Inductive reasoning states that the trend is your friend
Therefore inductive reasoning states conservatives will continue to be on the wrong side of history

Or put more simply, predicting stability in an unstable system is fucking retarded.

>>133116895
>Conservatism is doomed to failure
Sure is boy. You should just go out and spend all of your money since socialism will give you everything you desire in a couple years.

>>133119846
It took 5k years to get this far, I won't hold my breath. The arc of the moral universe bends toward justice, but it is long.

>>133114462
Then why don't you move there you pineapple fuck? Take a goddamn train, I'm sure if they're so progressive they'll let you in with open arms and even give you a free house for showing up! No need for the Serb to get a job, he's our immigrant pal! They will parade you around like a puppet and talk about how progressive they are! "Hey look! We got a Serb! See how dirty he is, see how nice we are for letting him in! He doesn't even work because he is a piece of shit but we are sooooo progressive, we let him in anyway! Aren't we great?!?"

Pineapple fuck

>>133120046
>toward justice
>illegal immigrants who can't speak English should make as much as an engineer
>"Justice"
Once you're not poor and unemployed maybe you won't try to take money from "the rich"

There are many progressives causes but you only see the ones that succeed. Not the thousands that have failed.

Probably communism will finally be confirmed as a failure in the future. Yet many will sweep that under the rug and pretend they were always right.

Plus people ignore the impact of technology. Certain progressive causes might be seen as outrageous at first but if the technology is there to handle it, is it outrageous anymore?

>>133103773
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221686525_Correlation_Not_Causation_The_Relationship_between_Personality_Traits_and_Political_Ideologies
Already done

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>>133119613
So you're saying progress is a consequence of democracy and tolerance which are a consequence of liberal ideals, and that conservatism, by definition, is against progress. You still haven't explained why events inspired by liberal ideology is "progress," but instead continue to use that word in attempt to define yourself and liberals as being correct. I also think your argument against conservatism commits a couple of equivocations: 1. Modern conservatism and "ancient conservatism," and 2. Progress and anti-conservatism. "Modern conservatives are wrong because they don't want progress," and "Liberalism is right because they want progress," are both tautological non-arguments. You don't understand that because your entire mind is nothing but platitudes and name-calling of things you don't like -- because you're an idiot. Conservatism simply isn't anti-progress. We want to conserve things such as moral values, the dismissing of such we consider -regress-.

>>133119613
The enlightment didn't advocate for idea's like tolerance, it was about using Empiricism to find out the true nature of the world. Do not act like leftists don't deny a lot of science when it doesn't fit their worldview.

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>>133103773
ANSWER: Science says liberals, not conservatives, are psychotic
>http://nypost.com/2016/06/09/science-says-liberal-beliefs-are-linked-to-pyschotic-traits/
>Turns out liberals are the real authoritarians.

A political-science journal that published an oft-cited study claiming conservatives were more likely to show traits associated with “psychoticism” now says it got it wrong. Very wrong.

The American Journal of Political Science published a correction this year saying that the 2012 paper has “an error” — and that liberal political beliefs, not conservative ones, are actually linked to psychoticism.

“The interpretation of the coding of the political attitude items in the descriptive and preliminary analyses portion of the manuscript was exactly reversed,” the journal said in the startling correction.

“The descriptive analyses report that those higher in Eysenck’s psychoticism are more conservative, but they are actually more liberal; and where the original manuscript reports those higher in neuroticism and social desirability are more liberal, they are, in fact, more conservative.”

In the paper, psychoticism is associated with traits such as tough-mindedness, risk-taking, sensation-seeking, impulsivity and authoritarianism.

The social-desirability scale measures people’s tendency to answer questions in ways they believe would please researchers, even if it means overestimating their positive characteristics and underestimating negative ones.

The erroneous report has been cited 45 times, according to Thomson Reuters Web of Science.

Brad Verhulst, a Virginia Commonwealth University researcher and a co-author of the paper, said he was not sure who was to blame.

“I don’t know where it happened. All I know is it happened,” he told Retraction Watch, a blog that tracks corrections in academic papers. “It’s our fault for not figuring it out before.”

>>133103773
Liberal in OP's sense simply means caring about everyone, instead of focusing on your family, nation, ethnic group, religion, whatever.

Liberal means accepting that black americans have suffered greatly in the past at the hands of white people, both legalized racism and the normal kind, and that helped destroy the family values that blacks once had.

Liberal means providing a safety net for those who cannot work due to mental or physical limitations.

Liberal means being careful to provide equal opportunities for all, regardless of sex, gender, age, religion, or whatever.

Liberal means protecting workers from abusive or exploitative employers.

Liberal means protecting the environment simply because it makes sense, even if it causes less luxury for someone.

I could go on, but liberal in america simply means caring for everyone. It's ironic that conservatives like to go on and on about how christian they are, when christian values are seen in liberal ideology far more than in conservative.

>>133103773
Authority figures tell them that they are very smart and very virtuous if they adopt a liberal perspective. They are pounded on all sides by left wing propaganda from the time they are kids until they graduate from college in education and through entertainment.

"Fuck what your stupid dad says, he's a racist anyway. Your grandmother is sweet, but she grew up in a different time so never listen to any insights on life she might have. We are the people you can trust, because we are cool and hip and smart.". In my experience, only blue collar white kids are immune to this shit, and even then if they are 'first in the family to go to college' material they are still likely to turn their back on their folks throughout their teens and 20s.

>>133121306
If I don't believe that rape by refugee is caring, am I guilty of thought crime? Or is "hate speech" the preferred vernacular?

>>133120867
>You still haven't explained why events inspired by liberal ideology is "progress,"
Now who's making a rhetorical tautology? Doesn't matter whether you call it progress or klebnork, society is more liberal than it was 5k years ago. Society is not something that has ever been effectively maintained in a particular state. It's not something that can be.
>Modern conservatism and "ancient conservatism
Irrelevant comparison. That some if not all liberals will also end up on the wrong side of history does not mean any conservatives will. x+1 will never equal x. Society changes as a fact of history.
>We want to conserve things such as moral values, the dismissing of such we consider -regress-.
You're also wrong because you don't understand what words mean.

>>133121040
Conservatism is linked to self-preservation. Liberalism only can exist when an existing system is established that allows for stability. However when things are tough and you can't afford to be liberal. Acting liberal during those tough times means you are throwing that self-preservation down the toilet.

>>133121014
>The enlightment didn't advocate for idea's like tolerance
I'm really glad I wasn't home schooled in Kentucky when I see shit like this.

>>133121306
Oh wow I never thought of it like that. Must be why los Angelos is so nice. They care about people, and they all have homes. They care about the environment, and there is never trash every fucking where, and never mattresses in the goddamn highway because they charge you so goddamn much to take it to the dump that people just throw it on the road. I never thought of it like that.

>>133121907
I'm born and raised in New York City. Get over the false ad-hominems. How the hell did the enlightenment advocate for tolerance? It was about Rationalism - using the scientific method to conduct experiments on the nature of reality and constructing metaphysics around it.
Things that are proven but that leftists refuse to accept:
-IQ is real and race is the strongest component
-Nuclear energy is the greatest form of energy that we have
-communism has never worked (and yes, it's always been real communism)

Leftists now completely reject modernism and rationalism for postmodernism. Stop with the stupidity it's not fooling anyone.

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>>133121776
>Now who's making a rhetorical tautology?
Google the term again; you're embarrassing yourself.
>society is more liberal than it was 5k years ago
cum hoc ergo propter hoc, i.e. Irrelevant.
>Irrelevant comparison
The fuck are you on about, idiot? You're the one who made the comparison with your "stuck in the past" bullshit. "Conservatives didn't want to stop bartering with goats, therefore modern conservatives are holding us back," was essentially your reasoning. When it's made explicit, you can see how stupid it is.
>You're also wrong because you don't understand what words mean.
So... you mean you are the authority on what "progress" is, huh? Who, exactly, granted you that authority, you silly hollow-headed fuck?

>>133122106

I was answering OP's question as accurately as I could. I didn't say that it worked.

I'm actually a conservative in the old sense. You have to earn your way and you have to prove yourself. I believe that everyone should have a minimum equal opportunity but I don't mind if the rich kids get better opportunities if they are qualified, because I know that human nature works that way.

>>133121689

You are not smart. You would not be a success in my ideal conservative world. You would not be a welcome employee of mine and you would definitely be a welcome friend or lover of my children, but I would leave that up to them and if I raised them right they would shun you because you are dense.

>>133122713
>you would definitely be a welcome friend or lover of my children

wow. somebody left a word out. hmm

>>133122713
>You are not smart.
You seem confused. Not using conjunctions doesn't give your statements authority.
>you would definitely be a welcome friend or lover of my children
Looks like I'll be giving your children the freudian tip, if you know what I mean

>>133123178
>Not using conjunctions doesn't give your statements authority.

You unintentionally did it again. This observation is that of a simpleton.

And yeah, my kids will love you.

>>133103773

You need to read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

Also this http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/touching-the-raw-amygdala-part-i-foundational-understandings/

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The fundamental psychological component of left-wing politics is self-loathing.

People who are left-wing hate themselves on one level or another (even if it's a subconscious hatred), and this is the underlying motivation for everything that they do politically.

>non-whites in white countries
Hate themselves for being demonstrably inferior to the native population.
>feminists
Hate themselves for not being attractive enough to receive validation and garner male attention normally.
>numales
Hate themselves for not being masculine enough to affirm their biological configuration, and also because of the inability to garner female attention normally.
>Jews
Hate themselves because pretty much every negative Jewish stereotype is true and you either embrace it or completely reject it (the leftists are the ones who embrace it).
>rich whites
Hate themselves for 1) knowing they have too much and didn't earn it, 2) realizing that they are no different from the white working class except for a couple bucks, or 3) both, and knowing that they aren't going to do anything to help.
>Muslims
Hate themselves for having to live off the bounty of the infidels instead of Allah making Muslims the dominant world power.

I'm sure I've missed plenty of groups, but at the deepest core, all left-wing politics are driven by self-loathing.

>>133104044
science is constant, history is cyclical
but you're right that wealth and comfort trend toward naivety, it's just that naivety collapses in on itself after a point

>>133111891
I see the problem, you asked a woman for an opinion. Never do this.