Nationalism will lose 2

But did we want that issue? If someone wanted this, then that where'n't certainly us.

First, nationalism - is a product of the Modernity. Exactly as the rest of political theory of Modernity - liberalism and communism. It is based on the denial of the spirit of Middle Ages and on the refuse of the traditions of the Empire and of Christ. It is bourgeois at its roots and in its essence. It may be a little better than liberalism and communism (that explicitly destroy identity of the people and religion), but nationalism is infected with the same poison - secularism, rationalism, atheism. It is other version of Westoxication (Occidentosis) --Gharbzadegi of person Heideggerian philosopher Ahmad Fardid called it.

Secondly, nationalism will revive inevitably dormant conflicts between nations, peoples and religions, aggravate them and lead to war. Maybe globalists just want that and prepare that secretly (as their plan B). They hope to outlast another civil war in Europe, and then they will come back with renewed vigor with its "pacifist" demagoguery. And having shed the ocean of blood, the peoples will take them up again. And from there it is a short step to the World Government. Such plan can easily be born in the brain of the Antichrist.

Therefore, the collapse of the Liberals, we have to use it for own purposes and we should not fall into the trap of nationalism. Listen to the communist garbage is of no use at all. Hence, it is necessary to focus on the Fourth Political Theory.

It is based on the existential understanding of the people (as a whole - people as Dasein), but it ascend to the Logos, to the intellectual elite of the Fourth Way. And this elite of the Fourth Way can not be a nationalist - it should be imperial, great-continental, traditionalist, metaphysical and sacred. And it needs to understand Daseins of all peoples, and to take into account its fine core, to understand their Logos, to listen to the quiet voice hidden in the depths of people's Being.

This elite of Fourth Way will collide with demagogues and hysterical "leaders", that a wave of new nationalism inevitably will bring to the front as the foam on the surface of fermenting sea. And the battle begins now. It would be better that neo-nationalist monster would be strangled in the cradle. But it is about to appear.

Therefore, now - after Trump's great succes - is relevant as never before the general plan for fundamental conservatives and traditionalists all over the world - at least of America, Europe, Russia, Iran, Turkey and the rest of Eurasia (and the others who will join us). We need a common front aimed not only at the rest of the Liberals (finish to drain liberal Swamp is technical task now), but as well to prevent and neutralize new nationalism.

We need to return to the Being, to the Logos, to the foundamental- ontology (of Heidegger), to the Sacred, to the New Middle Ages - and thus to the Empire, religion, and the institutions of traditional society (hierarchy, cult, domination of spirit over matter and so on). All content of Modernity - is Satanism and degeneration. Nothing is worth, everything is to be cleansed off. The Modernity is absolutely wrong -- science, values, philosophy, art, society, modes, patterns, "truths", understanding of Being, time and space. All is dead with Modernity. So it should end. We are going to end it.

>>133086454
Let us listen the words of Apollo to the defeated serpent Python (Πύθων,) - "you are to rot!" (πύθω!) The same can be said to Hillary Clinton and to European bureaucracy. Stay to rot there! Our battle is not with you - the main scene of titanomachy is moved to another front.

4PT versus 3PT.

http://4pt.su/en/content/traps-and-dead-ends-new-nationalism
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WHAT DO U THINK POL? WILL NATIONALISM BE THE LAS KEKOLDRY TO BE DEFEATED?

he says all of that then he states:
i'm not a racist.
motherfucker then what are you? a civic nationalist? which is just a liberal waving a flag.

>>133088204
A traditionalist, free of these modernist constraints on his thinking and actually anti-modernism and degeneracy

It sounds edgy

Good luck selling it to normies

>>133090427
>A traditionalist
what is that even supposed to mean?

>>133086320

You have the gay. Nationalism is bad because it rejects god you say. The whole argument is retarded, morality doesn't come from a deity.

>>133090427

You can't be a traditionalist who is also against the nation state and the idea of a people.

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>>133086320
OP: "I stand with africans&muslims! Kill all white Ukrainians!

>>133093123
regarding the ukrainian part, he said that those rioting in ukraine are not real ukrainians.
that they are sewage dwellers or some shit like that.

>>133093385
That was adressed to all those who call themselves Ukrainian, not just the protesters.

>>133093009
A true traditionalist puts hierarchy above identity, so yes, yes you can. The nation-state is born in the fire of revolution, which is antithetical to all traditionalism. That said, a proper traditionalist should see the value is like people living with like and in healthy ethnocentrism, but thats only a part of nationalism.
Not necessarily criticizing nationalism as I haven't really worked my thoughts out on the subject fully, but just saying it is coherent to be a traditionalist and oppose the nation state; thats basically what the right wing prior to 1789 was

>>133092610
An anti-modern person. Ie stuff before the french revolution is cool and good.

>>133097708
then why does OP support the nation-state? That's modernism at its finest, in fact nation-states are the prelude for a global goverment.
Traditionalists should think in a minor scale, like city-states united by some vague resemblances and nothing more. That would make more sense.