How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become

Why make something like that when you can take your used tampon and call it modern art?

>>133078587
I'm almost certain that we've reached an unprecedented level of degeneracy and historical revisionism to the point that we truly have lost the past. I don't trust or believe anything anymore.

>>133078676
>not making paintings with period blood
How sexist of you

>>133078587
Post modernism. Everything has been made far too easy. The paradigm within which contemporary "artists" operate is one of institutional laziness, really.

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>>133078726
The degeneracy is off the fucking charts when an actual whore can sing a song about getting wrist icicles and riding dick bicycles to teenage girls after a terrorist attack incited BECAUSE of your degenerate music. I honestly wish Planet of the Apes were a reality because we've squandered our dominance of this planet.

>>133078726
No worries, it won't last forever. The Roman empire was also full of people doing degenerate shit. We're just waiting for someone to topple our empire.

>>133078587
I was in DC for the last week. Along the way I visited the art museum and the modern art museum. Don't recall the actual names. Art museum was filled with European portraits and landscapes from the 16th century to 19th century mostly, with some late medieval stuff and a smattering of 20th century art (I think). I believe there were sculptures and stuff as well but I didn't have time to see everything.

The first museum was really incredible. Made me want to get some prints. A great deal was simply very pleasant to look at, but a not insignificant portion was eerily realistic. The amount of attention to detail, time and effort involved was incredible. The capturing of the little details of the human form in particular.

Modern art museum was even more juvenile and amateurish than I thought. It got so bad that at one point I was at a drinking fountain and saw a plaque next to it, at which point I had a moment of panic thinking I was messing with an art piece. Turned out it was for a piece of art above me I hadn't seen, but it illustrates the quality and absurdity of the pieces in there.

>>133078587
Unironically, the Jews.

>>133079208
>at one point I was at a drinking fountain and saw a plaque next to it, at which point I had a moment of panic thinking I was messing with an art piece.
you might be retarded. Might wanna get that checked out

>>133079344
One of the art pieces was a sink, tilted a few degrees to the side. Seeing a plaque next to a drinking fountain in an odd location is a good reason to assume it was the same way, at least in that particular museum. I'm not the retarded one, those who made the art and those who decided it was worth displaying are.

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>>133079280
It often is ...

>How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become lost to our species?
Because "our" species is lost. The white man has passed the event horizon and will go extinct, leading to this planet becoming dead husk and the galaxy going silent until the end of time.

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>>133078587
>How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become lost to our species? What sullied the word art now and equates it to faggot modern art museum's now?
>What sullied the word art now
>sullied

It was the reds... the commies... the pinkos...los communistas... the cultural marxists... the black block... the ass end of the cultural false dillemna against the fascists... in other words...

THE GOD DAMNED COMMUNISTS!

All they do is destroy everything good. Even the jihadi mudslimes stop for prayer.

Seriously, fuck the communists!

>>133078587
Their IQ must have been high af. Language has also degraded over time

>>133078587
The digital camera, retard.

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>>133078587
we are weak in a good times but everything is beginning to change

>>133079127
Yes. It's like the "where do you see yourself in 10 years" meme

subjective relativism. truth is false

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Barbarous peasants looked at pic related and wondered who could have built such marvels.

Decline is like that.

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>>133078587

>>133079859
What is the name of this statue?

Good art is still made. The Jewish intellectuals have been promoting post-modernism for the last few decades. Post-modernism is garbage, but since the Jewish intellectuals are putting it at the forefront of all artistic output, all of the good more classical art is drowned out.

>>133080152
"Modesty" by Antonio Corradini (Italian, 1688–1752)

I have never met a single person who has liked modern art, yet somehow it keeps being made.

I wonder who's behind all of it.

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There are still good artists out there. Regardt Van Der Meulen does some amazing sculptures and steel works.

>>133080152
Modesty, by Antonio Corradini

fuck I wanna touch them tits and navel

>>133078587
Art like anything needs money to flourish, the jews buy all the art and get off on the decadence of spending $200,000 on a post-modernist canvas drawn over with a bic pencil and period blood done by a poor Colombian, and after the (( invisible )) hand of the market prices this 'art' at $200,000, a couple years later it's worth $300,000 sells it and gets off on being a master of the universe.

>>133080333
Who keeps funding and promoting this modern art crap anyway? Is it just one big circlejerk of these hacks? I gurantee if you ask relatively normal people if they'd pay the price of an art gallery entry to see
>>133079950
>>133079907
>>133079859
>>133079783
>>133079757
They would call it actual art and worth the fee instead of horrid shit like a crooked sink or a canvas with fucking crayola paint splattered on it.

>>133078587
There are still plenty of people making classical paintings and sculptures. It's just that nobody talks about them.

>>133078587

Here you go anon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

TL;DW : Post modernists ruin everything of value.

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Even though the proportions are always exaggerated and blunt, I kind of like socialist realism.

>>133078587
Did the greeks and romans have any stories of autistic sculptors making a statue their waifus?

>>133080333
>>133080542
>Who keeps funding and promoting this modern art crap anyway? Is it just one big circlejerk of these hacks?

A lot of it is money-laundering. Think of it as Bitcoin for the wealthy elites.

>>133078587
all of this is still studied and practiced in art schools all over the world (read: not in liberal shitholes), but it's so mundane and basic nobody does it anymore because you literaly can't top the best of the best (all of which are in the past) without being some sort of genius

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Just typed in "realist statue" in Google. Turns out everyone is refusing to look in the right place. You aren't born in le wrong generation, you are just bitches.

>>133078587
Looks like a waifufag to me.

>>133081110
This isn't really what the thread topic is about but I appreciate the bump none the less.

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One problem is that there are simply too many competent artists out there who can nail realism. They are just using modern materials over marble. There are thousands (tens of thousands) of living artists who can create realistic statues if that is all you are looking for.

The obscene cost of marble keeps them away from doing tradition carvings. It isn't necessarily a lack of skill that keeps them away.

The only way to stand out is to go creepy/weird/feminist.

>>133081302

I think that's part of the problem.
The statue in your post is obviously incredibly real and lifelike.

It's also fucking gross.

>>133081443
This, there's a serine beauty with marble that displays the perfection of the human body in an elegant, neat and clean way. To make it absurdly realistic like this is grotesque and gives it the look of a monstrosity. These artists should bite the bullet and use traditional marble instead of this hideous super realism.

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>>133081443
And that is why they put their efforts into things like this.

Realisim is creepy, like you say. Simplified human forms used on interesting ways are more marketable.

>>133081110
I've always felt that the predominance of paint rather than plain marble in classical art and some architecture was a good metaphor for what it symbolized for to modern people. We like to envision it as ethereal works of majesty, but they may have been much more garish than we realize

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>>133081630
Most ancient statues were painted as well.The paint was lost over time so only the stone remains.

>>133081768
desu they look better without the paint

>>133081768
my point is that people like
>>133081582
are projecting something that isn't necessarily true. In the same way one looks back at the past and see perfect times, perfect peoples, and perfect societies

>>133081823
agreed, Augustus looks like a fucking melanzane with that paint

>>133080372
that is pretty fucking cool, just doesn't inspire one to marvel at the skill required like some of these marble statutes do

a damn sight better than the rest of the post modern shit

>>133079208
confirmed 4 retard

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>>133081835
Pic related. The ancients tried to make their old statues as realistic as possible and their shitty paint jobs were the best they could do.

>>133081768
The paint wearing off is a major improvement to these statues, plus they look more imposing and meaningful when just stone carved coloring.

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>>133081110
>>133081302
>what do you mean art is dead?!?! just look at these hideous fucking sculptures!!

>>133078587
It didn’t. You can see anime figurines which look very similar to that.

>>133080333
Its literally money laundering.

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>>133081768
>>133081972
>>133081823
>>133082021
Every fucking thread. The method used to discern which paints were used can only show the base coat. Any painting will look like something out of mspaint if you only look at the base paints.

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we don't lead great lives though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

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>>133082029
There are still good modern sculptures

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>>133078587

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>>133082021
Oh I agree. that is why the discovery that old statues had such shitty paint jobs. it is disappointing to see how they originally looked.

Similar things happened with more recent art, like the famous "nightwatch" painting. it turns out it was a daytime painting but like a lot of art for the era the varnish mixed with soot from pre-electric light sources darkened the painting.

It is an iconic painting that was simply damaged over the centuries to the point where the painting was renamed "night watch".

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>>133078587
Neo-Renaissance when?

>>133078587
Because it was men who did it rather than blue haired cunts on daddy's dime. It was also poor men. That were paid. A lot.
So yes, it was good because it was their bread and butter.

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>>133082339

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc
https://vimeo.com/55784152
tl;dw jews

https://www.artrenewal.org/

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>>133082395
Botticelli, the true antidote to modern art

>>133081972

Weren't most of them also high up in temples, buildings?

Or like in the Trevi Fountain, a good distance away from the public?

Perhaps the paint didn't need to be hugely detailed?

Is it good or bad I got a slight boner from this? Cause I mean you are supposed to appreciated the work of the female beauty

Google "European art"
Then Google "Jewish art"

There's your answer.

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>>133082813
Some were up high, some were not.

The eyes on them were really simple, cartoon kind of shit. It is amazing how much better they look unpainted. Here is Caligula.

>>133078587

Ever wonder why artwork of that caliber is still revered as great art? It's because it's still impressive. But it's been done already.

If sculpture stayed stagnate nobody would give a fuck about the medium. The reason modern sculpture is in its current state is because of the history. You bitching and moaning about how much better that piece is compared to modern art is like complainig that no one composes classical music anymore.

We don't have to as a society. Been there, done that. Take some time to learn human history, expand you're thinking and grow a pair of balls faggot.

Besides, even if you were born when that level of sculpture was made you wouldn't have the access or coin to gaze upon it.

Ungrateful fuck

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>DURR WHY DONT PEOPLE SCULPT IN EXPENSIVE ASS MARBLE ANYMORE????
>MUST BE DEM JOOS AND SJDUBYAS!!!!
You people sound like the biggest retards. There's millions more sculptors alive today than there has ever been and they're churning out beautiful work 24/7. They just aren't sticking marble and bronze statues along your ride to Wendy's so apparently you'll never know they exist.

Protip: ALL 3D work is sculpted. The chisel has been set down and the wacom tablet has been picked up. Do a GIS for "zbrush" and blow your minds.

>b-but muh marble!
Do you own shares in some italian quarry or something?

>>133078587
kikes took over the art world and destroyed it out of spite.

>>133079726
Surf the Kali yuga baby

>>133080595
Jesus christ. Thanks for posting this shit anon now im depressed

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>muh marble
Literally click a different material shader.

Read more comics. Stop linking post modernism. You are part of the problem .

>>133080643
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(mythology)

Why don't Americans know anything about anything?

>>133080372
Eh that's actually pretty cool. I don't mind some modern art because let's fucking face it, times change but when I say modern art I mean things like this that if not inspiring or beautiful, are at least cool to look at and not regarded as anything more. Traditional art should be encouraged as the main medium

technical art, while awe inspiring and shows dedication and skill, lost it's prominence after generations of the same stuff being made and shown. Newer art would catch on and it continues and continues.
Photography also killed a lot of the technical stuff, since art did also serve as a way to capture the world and people.
Anyone who really appreciates art, it's history, techniques, and message, will relate that loving and looking at one era of art will eventually lead you to look and get why things changed the next era.
Modern art is a mess, mainly because everyone now has a voice (media/internet) and funding for art is a lot more spread out than the patron system of before, which also spreads specific interests of art out as well (religious, portrait, furry, etc)


Also, people back then had less easy distractions and much more time dedicated to bettering their trade.

Greco-Roman civilization never existed. All these statues and ruins were built by the Nazis in the 1940s so they could claim the Jews were dragging them dow from a fictitious past glory. Truth is, it's Weimar all rhetoric way down.

>>133083084
Except that doesn't go into inspiring infrastructure for all to see
At best shitty vidya

>>133079127
Cue Islam? Because that's how it's going to end and you know it.

>>133081823
For sure

>>133082021
>>The paint wearing off is a major improvement to these statues
How do you know? The reconstructions only show the base pigment, it's like paint-by-numbers.

>>133083189
you will never see that art in person. i can't commission that sculptor to create a beautiful work to put outside my chateau.

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>>133078587
>How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become lost to our species?
It didn't, it still exists, you're just not looking for it.

>>133083444

Haven't heard that one before, but those trips are telling me I should take your word for it.

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>>133083070

Here, have a (you).

Don't choke when you swallow, anon.

>>133079344
>>133081955

why? It's easy to confuse some random dog turd laying around with modern art. The difference would be only plaque

>>133079569
Christ you might be right.
>There was darkness forever since the beginning. Life appeared in a spot and flourished, it evolved and matured and even left the homeworld to dip their toes in the universe. Then it went silent and there was darkness forever more.

>>133083647
i'd disagree. There used to be large numbers of people trained in the Baux Arts. That culture is now entirely lost.

Good artwork still exists, but isn't nearly as promoted as the insane postmodernist crap which is really just there to crush the soul.

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Michelangelo was 23 years old when he sculpted this.

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>>133083487
>go into inspiring infrastructure for all to see
Prove to me more people are inspired by infrastructure than play video games. Prov e it right now. Oh wait, you can't. But I guess art isn't art unless it's tucked away in a museum 99.99% of the world will never enter.

>>133083585
>What is a 3d printer, I've never heard of this, someone help me, I'm stuck in the year 2002 and I have no way out! Send help!

>>133078587
>>133079042
>>133079693
>>133079726
>>133079859
>>133079783
These are all clearly Italian Renaissance sculptures...

>>133079726

How's that even possible? Imagine how long must have it taken to carve those leaves, that's insane accuracy.

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Guys, what do you think of Jeff Koons? He's super talented.

>>133083038

I've only seen evidence for fragmentary painting. There is nothing that suggests they could only paint in flat colour blocks.

Their choice of colours might be garish to is but the reconstructions with flat dull paint make little sense and doesn't have good evidence. Why would the people who create such lifelike statues be content to paint them like lawn gnomes?

Are they masters of marble but 5 year old fingerpainters who can't shade?

I mean honestly. Smells like just more disinfo from art historians who love to tear down the old masters and lift up shit-in-a-can level art.

>>133083834
3d printers are fucking tiny, they create hollow sculptures to conserve material, and they the final product is never smooth enough.

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>>133080333
>modern art
What do you mean by 'modern art', do you mean art created in modern times, as in right now, or are you referring to the art movement known as 'modern' ?

it's not lost, it just isn't mainstream.

>>133078587
I can tell you when exactly art died. It died when it started become self-centered (artist expressing his or her self), rather than them focusing on the experience of the people consuming the art.

>>133078587
Because these artist back then devoted their entire lives to their work. It was their life.

>>133083840
the joke is that none of them are italian renaissance

>>133083961
A lot of sculptures and facade segments are done with these nowadays:

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/3d-cnc-stone-sculpture-machine.html

>>133083833

But that's a 3D render, anon.

>>133083949
See >>133083542

>>133083084

Wow are you seriously comparing marble sculptures to 3D models? Fuck you dude, fucking retard.

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>>133084034
Niggas did make some cool art too

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Does Cameron Gray hold up to the "old masters"?

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>>133083768
>i'd disagree. There used to be large numbers of people trained in the Baux Arts. That culture is now entirely lost.
Beaux-Arts architecture (/ˌboʊˈzɑːr/; French: [bozaʁ]) expresses the academic neoclassical architectural style taught at the École des Beaux-Arts in Paris.
Oh you've shifted the goal posts I see, so we're talking about architecture now are we ?

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>>133083961
>3d printers are fucking tiny
3D printers come in many sizes, you're wrong.

>they create hollow sculptures to conserve material
Yes, that's the most efficient way to conserve time and materials in a 3D printer. But that would NEVER be the last step in creating a sculpt from a 3D model.

>the final product is never smooth enough.
The "final product" doesn't come from the 3D printer, moron.

This is the workflow
>3D model object
>Prep for 3D printer (close holes, breakdown into parts)
>3D print
>Clean up print (sand/fill/assemble)
>Create tradition mold and mold with traditional materials
>Create traditional sculpt

And guess what, that's nearly EXACTLY how these "traditional sculptures were done. Except instead of 3D sculpting and 3D printing, they were clay sculpts before they got out the marble. Every traditional sculpture you see is a copy of a clay, if not a copy of a copy of a copy, etc.

>>133084138
>Wow are you seriously comparing sculptures to sculptures?
Yes, retard, yes I am. Don't reply, fuckstick.

>>133084316
part of art is the mastery and skill it takes to make something, 3d printing something is different.
3-d modelling is a legitimate art form, but it isnt the SAME art form.

>>133084210
that shit was cast
so they made a mold on some nigga, then poured bronze or whatever into it and added some bling

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>>133084386
Still cool anyway

>>133084272
Hell no.
Digital will never compare.

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>>133083903
Koons is a businessman, not an artist, he pays other people to make the items for him, same as Hurst, these are products created to sell on the 'art' market, for investment purposes, for actual art you have to look elsewhere.

>>133081768
The reason it looks so gaudy with color is because we take color for granted. In the past it wasn't that easy to color things. Dye was expensive, as was paint.

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>>133084272

Can't speak for everyone here, but in my opinion there are a number of surrealists in the past 50 years who are technically as gifted. I also find the genre to be more interesting and raw, as much of their work is derived from their dreams.

>>133078587
Look, we can only say "degeneracy" so many times before you have to ask yourself what the concept of something degenerating fucking means.
DEGENERACY IS NOT A FUCKING MEME IT IS IMPORTANT.

>>133083763
For our 3rd or 4th grade field trip (in 1988/89) we went the Art Museum in St Louis. They had a bunch of broken glass on the floor that was muh kristallnacht, and I shit you not one piece was 3 rolls of CHICKEN WIRE SPRAY PAINTED GOLD, SILVER, AND BRONZE.
Several of us were incredulous, with one kid yelling out "I got that layin' in muh barn!"

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>>133084377
>3-d modelling is a legitimate art form, but it isnt the SAME art form.
I've used 3DS/Maya/Blender/Zbrush/Sculptris and I've also done wood carving/sculpey/firma/wax/plasticine. I've even gone after logs with chainsaws and done a small amount of MIG welding metal sculpture.

It's 95% the same skill set.

>>133084747
so understanding the physical material and the flaws in the stone and wood is the same as 3d modelling which has no physical feedback and an undo button? alright then.

>>133084697

He was an excellent painter. He was also deeply disturbed. You can't paint the things he did without having problems. Or literal demons. Or both.

>>133084697
yeah, i mean i definitely appreciate the old masters as much as anyone else, but i sometimes think the "omg this will never happen again so sad" sentiment is a little silly. the most talented people around now aren't any less talented than the old masters... they just aren't constrained by old technology. no one will ever know again how to sculpt like the masters simply because there are now ways to create art that aren't as barebones manual.

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>>133084479
>>133084210
Very strange how Benin people built some actually decent art with decent civilization and today Nigeria (where Benin people originate) is one of most rich and good country in africa.
Really makes you think...

>>133084836

Yeah - from what he saw in WWII. Damn shame how he was murdered by some degenerate.

>>133084295
No I think he's just a little confused

>>133084861

The issue is that modern art, as in art made in modern times, lacks the same spirit as art made back during the renaissance.

Not all art of course, but the vast majority of art feels empty.

>>133078587
Nearly all the good art has been made. Once you reach peak objective form all that's left is style, and style is subjective so you can keep making up whatever is the new trend.

Also you have a college system where thousands of talentless idiot kids are told they cab be whatever they want to be so they become useless artists and work at Starbucks to pay their 6 figure college debts.

>>133084697
For a moment I thought that was a sculpture in a museum and damn, that would've been rad.

>>133078587

The fuck else was an artist going to do with all their time? Now they have the internet to distract them so you see rushed projects or shit that just went through a bunch of filters.

>>133078587
>>133084747
This, I'm a traditional and anime artist and sculptures are still very relevant for study. I think its Elliot Goldfingers anatomy for sculptors which is used by most painters, artists etc because its so good.

>>133084020
It's not dead, it's alive & well, you just refuse to look for it, instead you have hissy fits over crass post modernist conceptual garbage & declare it to be 'literally all modern art'.

Just a reminder that classical art, the best type of art and the highest skill tier, is European pagan in origin.

>>133085287
This.
>PRETTY THINGS DISTRACT FROM GOD HURRRRR

>lost to our species?
What are you talking about? It's right fucking there. You posted a pic of it. People still MAKE shit like that, motherfucker, and there are more people making it right now than there have been at any other point in history.
>What sullied the word art now and equates it to faggot modern art museum's now?
Faggots.

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>>133084811
Every medium is different, but sculpting is about knowing forms, anatomy/construction, volumes, etc. Yes, working with wood is a different technique than working with zbrush. But anyone that's good with one will excel at the other.

>undo
You're also getting carried away talking about shit you don't understand. Traditional wood or marble carvings are near-always prototyped in clay first. There's a shitton of "undo" in clay. Only after the clay model is complete did the old masters move on to making a copy of it out of marble. The workflow of copying a clay model has been around for millennia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWeksAo8VM

>>133084811

Sculpures generally start as polygon looking objects at first, too. You just detail it out as you go. Mess up? Trim the entire statue down a little or just modify what you were going to do with that section.

>>133078587
It kind of had nowhere to evolve. The renaissance and enlightenment was peak awesome in terms of this style of art. When you hit the peak there's nowhere to go but down I guess.

>>133078587
This reminds me of an experience I had once in the Birmingham Museum of Art in Alabama. In the renaissance art section there was a tremendous dining room table centerpiece/candelabra crafted entirely from silver. The plaque said that it was crafted by the LAST great English silversmith (can't recall the name). Another art lost to time

>>133085359
One days, even weeks, of hard work. One takes seconds. I am not an artist, but as a lowly pleb I will always respect the sculptor.

>>133085371

"Enlightenment" was not a period in the history of art, you uneducated prick.

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>>133085134
>I'm a traditional and anime artist

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>>133085465
>One days, even weeks, of hard work. One takes seconds.
Are you high right now? Zbrush doesn't let you sculpt much faster than clay at all. The whole selling point of zbrush is that it simulates clay sculpting so well. What you're comparing "render times."

>Spend two weeks sculpting in zbrush
>Happy with result
>Hit render with keyshot
vs
>Spend two weeks sculpting in clay
>Happy with result
>Chisel "render" out of marble

>as a lowly pleb
You're below pleb. Anyone that sculpts is a sculptor.

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>>133085564
It was a period in Scottish scientific & philosophical history.

>>133085956
Hahaha and anyone who paints is a painter, right on. You were one of those kids who had the basketball hoop in your driveway set reeeeally low, weren't you?

>>133084481
>the only way for your art to ever be worth anything is to handicap yourself

I'll never understand this mindset. It's still an insane amount of work. You just aren't wasting time mixing paints and such. Art is art.

>>133086188
>You were one of those kids who had the basketball hoop
>american flag
>talking about niggerball
Fucking figures. Kill yourself, you little shit.

>>133085564
> "Enlightenment" was not a period in the history of art, you uneducated prick.

I never said "Enlightenment" was a "period in art history", it was however a "period in history" in which art was made you retard.

http://arthistoryunstuffed.com/enlightenment-artistic-styles/

also, I minored in art history faggot. You picked the wrong person.

>>133086301
Oh wow the guy who says doing shit on a computer is exactly the same as doing it in real life hates the kids who played sports wow literally can't even. We're both Americans, you forgot to change your flag, so we both know which clique you hung out with in high school. Do you still have your Magic deck?

>>133086139

Well European philosophy more generally. Scottish enlightenment was a specific movement within the enlightenment more broadly.

It's the Jews, stupid.

>>133086404
Boy, I told you to kill yourself, not reply with a load of shit I'm not going to read.

>>133086477
Dude quit being so mad and go render yourself a life. I hear from faggots on 4chan that it's the exact same thing.

>>133083070
>Besides, even if you were born when that level of sculpture was made you wouldn't have the access or coin to gaze upon it.
Art was subsidised by the elites to win the favour of the plebs

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>>133086295
There's a rule which does seem to hold true, which is this, the easier something is to do the lower the barrier to entry is, so the non committed are no longer being filtered out, so the overall quality of work declines, how many less shitty paintings do you think there'd be if painters had to laboriously grind their pigments by hand rather than squeezing ready made paint out of tubes, the more difficult a task in it's execution the more reverence will be extended to it's realisation.

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>>133084890
>Very strange how Benin people built some actually decent art with decent civilization and today Nigeria (where Benin people originate) is one of most rich and good country in Africa.

OK.

>>133086413
The enlightenment is considered an era, that's why it's called "the AGE of the Enlightenment" or "The Enlightenment Era".

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>>133078587
Not everything is lost.

>>133078587
>How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become lost to our species?
racial degeneration, not just miscegenation, but the mixing of the nobility with the peasantry

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Some of the best art is German.

>>133087654
Dude my tax dollars are paying you for this. You could at least ACTUALLY try to entrap me.

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>>133086597
>Art was subsidised by the elites to win the favour of the plebs
To gain the grace of god also, the Medici were such enthusiastic art patrons for the purpose of appeasement, rich bankers riding their cash camels don't pass through the eyes needles so easily, so invest your shekels in images which serve to glorify the divine, and thus grant yourself entry through the pearly gates when you shuffle off your earthly chains.

>>133079907
This is fucking incredible.

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>>133087433
>the mixing of the nobility with the peasantry
From Wikipedia, regarding a man who is widely considered to have been the greatest artist who ever lived: "Born out of wedlock to a notary, Piero da Vinci, and a peasant woman............"

>>133088457
The rich have always feared the peasants when they should be fearing those who whisper heresy in their ears. That is why there will always be division between all classes of people.

>>133078587
We perfected the form, and the artists got bored or didn't want to put in the effort to achieve it.

Then, we started treating the asthetics as the end goal, rather than simply as the vehicle for conveying highly interconected and earthshattering levels of meaning.

What is left is the empty forms left by the rejection of subversive realism and romanticism in art.

>>133079726
Why haven't muslims smashed this to bits yet?

>>133078587
this:
holoscience.com i.e. like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whL9jvdL5s but worse

We have a recent catastrophic history of solar system, the earth is probably the place of our origin, but the original sun was switched off by cannibalising it's energy source by the current - it was Saturn.

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>>133087659
>Some of the best art is German.
Perhaps, just not that god awful nazi neoclassicism.

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>>133088720
>Why haven't muslims smashed this to bits yet?
Don't worry, they will eventually, and the left will applaud them as they do it, before eagerly offering their necks to the invader's blades.

>>133087195
yes, an era of "enlightened" philosophy, why are you descending into unnecessary pedantry?

>>133083084

where can i get high res 3D models suitable for 3d printing into AESTHETIC statues?

>>133086561
It's the digital age, get with the times you smarmy old fuck.

>>133078587
Multiculturalism has held us back especially when money creates culture

>>133078587

No more mecenatism.
There are still insanely good painters around only because painting is still somewhat sustainable. Sculpting, specifically stone and marble sculpting, is highly time and resource consuming, require longer preplanning and is not error tolerant.
Subjects and intents also changed heavily, on par with our philosophy. It's all about message and delivering it, instead of shapes and how matter reacts with light or the ambient.
There are still some sculptors though. Jago for example but as said before, his art is more "this will activate your almonds" than technique (and the guy gots lots of it).

This thread makes me sad as an artist and an architect; there are thousands of thousands of talented artists out there who choose not to sell their work or represent themselves through galleries and museums.

Galleries and museums are public, only the plebs see the work there. You have to understand that people who manage to get into these shows have money, these are art students who paid full tuition just to get into college with rich parents and have no artistic talent, and end up using more personal expression in their art than practice and can do whatever they want.

Stop spreading this "modern art" is shit meme please.

>>133084479
well, yeah, but it's hard to compare to an ancient Roman/Greek sculptor

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>>133083038
(((romans)))

>>133088773
miring forearms and conditioning

>>133078587
No incentive. In the Renaissance times, great artists were high in demand because the upper class wanted to decorate their property and future graves with beautiful art that venerated God or had characteristics of God.

It's a mix of plebification, schools trying to appeal to retarded prodigal sons and politics ("art's purpose is to denounce things, educate the masses!"). No one is seeking Beauty anymore, the concept is even laughed at by art students and pseud artists

>>133078587
It isn't.

Yes its reduced, but there are still traditional artists and craftsmen in the world.

The only way to save the art is to create a market for it

>>133078587
That is just exquisite.

>>133084316
>Yes, retard, yes I am. Don't reply, fuckstick.
This must be bait, no one can be this retarded, but I'll bite.
3d sculpting is piss easy in comparison with even doing some clay work. Every time you screw something up, you can just ctrl+z. Good luck doing that with marble.

>>133078587

When your degenerate country decided to invaded Europe in the 1940's.

Nuke yourselves.

A real answer is that photography killed realism in art

>>133078587
No one wants to waste time making something that any 3D printer can do faster and better

>>133078587
Hard work in discouraged usally by jealousy

>>133078587
somewhere around you guys bombed west europe back to the stone age around 1944/45.

fuck face.

>>133078587
Back then, physical perfection was worshiped. Now we worship capitalism, excessive consumption, getting fat and weak. Our art reflects that- less people, less beauty, less strength, more confusion, objects and ugliness. Flashy colors, just like capitalist societies with flashy adverts everywhere. Oddly shaped figures, like the average fat capitalist. Low effort, showing how little we care about the nation and ourselves.

This art will only be revived when people start to care.

>>133079750
>even the jihadi mudslimes stop for prayer
and smash statues, burn books, destroy paintings, demolish churches...

>>133085086

wrong.

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>>133078587
Honestly, it's been ages since I last saw a new modernist statue here.

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The buildings on the other hand...

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>>133083834
>infrastructure
>in a museum
Nigger, look at my flag

>muh artistic vidya
>gaymers in charge of appreciating art
Hardware needed
And vidya can't into real

>>133078587
Whites are grounded in a more vivid realism in their thinking, more concerned with form, beauty, precision. There is a level of materialism that arrises from this form of thinking however that can be lacking in spiritual. It is partially the thought process which led Western collective consciousness to reject abstract ideals like God.

Jews however are more concerned with the abstract and the esoteric. They also do not have concepts like beauty grounded in any form of explicit, divine standard. They treat beauty and ideals as something subjective.

Essentially around the late 19th century, Jewish "modern" art became the most prominent and dominant form of artwork. Realism became "obsolete" with the invention of new technology like the camera. Jews seized early upon the Camera, recognising its potential for mass-visualisation and propagandising. Jews defined the language, structure and format of cinema which has allowed them to control the way in which the world is visualised, perceived and interpreted for a century.

>>133079795
That would imply that the purpose of old art is to capture a moment in time. The statues that we have are not intended to capture a moment, rather they are intended to be idols for us to aspire to.

Since someone realized that people are pretentious idiots who are easily manipulated, because I pray to god that the artists themselves aren't that pretentious OR talentless.

>mfw all you have to do to get an exhibit at an art show is make a huge completely black canvas, paint one almost nonexistent white dot and say, "Yes, this is a minimalist piece entitled, 'The Struggle Against Darkness'".

>>133094574
>the struggle against darkness
Too racist for postmodernists

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>some faggot spends all his life sculpting marble into human form
>some faggot spends all his life painting life-like scenes of society and nature
>some faggot invents a camera and completely invalidates the life work of the previous two faggots
photography killed artistic realism and gave way to abstract bullshit
Why sculpt a statue of a nude woman when you can just book some hot Czech model and take a picture of her?
Why paint the landscape of the Italian countryside when you just take a picture?

>>133094574
Do it, create the work, pay the money & hire a gallery space & arrange the promotion, I guarantee nobody will give a shit & if you manage to entice even one critic to the event, he will laugh at your attempts as being derivative rubbish.

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>>133094789
Nope, the camera did not invalidate this, you've been misinformed.

>>133094789
Because the effort for a masterpiece has objective value
10 minutes of postproduction of a czech hooker with lightroom does not

>photography KILLED realism
This argument is /pol/ BTFO tier
Entirely biased and subjective

>>133095105
>posts a photograph of it
top lel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEIQSbul9Os

>>133094918
Pretty much this. Modern art is a money laundering scheme and it's not a club you can join as a nobody. The artists know the painting aren't important and the critics and in place to chase out anyone who isn't a big shot and then grovel over any shit that their masters tell them to.

>>133095210
Don't pretend to misunderstand my point, and besides, it's not a photograph, it's digital information, as are these words I type, does me typing them invalidate books ?

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The interesting part is that traditional art more or less died out completely all around the world at around the same time (in the early decades of the twentieth century) not just in the west. My guess is that it's something to do with industrialization and the decline of a true aristocratic class who maintained the elite/ traditional culture.

>>133085465
>One takes seconds
Sculpting in 3D is measured in hours, days, weeks, and in the case movies, months. A 30 minute sculpt in 3d looks just as crap as a 30 minute sketch.

You really don't know what you're talking about at all.
t. t/3/apot

>>133086188
Are you really trying to suggest that a sculptor using Zbrush isn't a sculptor? Do you realize that Disney hired a literal clay sculptor for Frozen?

Of course you don't, you don't know shit all about 3D, art, politics, or anything at all.

>>133095238
>money laundering scheme
Oh look, this again, what product is really changing hands when the buyer gives the money to the dealer ? what do you claim the dealer is really handing over to the buyer if not the artwork ? that's what money laundering is, when the profits from an illicit trade are disguised as something else, so what are the art dealers really selling in your opinion ?

>>133095743
>Disney won't last
>hardware won't last
>Rome is "eternal"

>>133078587
Modern art mocks traditional art. Cheap, easy, degrading and visually unpleasant 99% of the times. Because everything is subjective.

>>133082313
oh man this gif brings me back to when I was in Tokyo... fucking miss that place :'(

>>133095986
>Modern art
That's more specifically conceptual art you're talking about, aka postmodernism, or as it's sometimes euphemistically referred to 'contemporary' art.

>>133078587
The camera

>>133083834
>the shit he posted in inspiring

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Fuck man I love history and Euro art... Which is why it's so sad seeing muzzies and liberals wanna destroy it :(

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>>133095628
A well considered & thoughtful analysis, although I don't entirely agree.

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>>133096484
This times a hundred.

>>133084747
dude, you're not an artist, i can tell by your shitty taste

>>133079859
HNNNGG

most people want something "more" of out art than mimesis these days as that need is satisfied in games and movies. Just look at the new jurassic park movie, the dinosaurs in there are not only sculpted but they're painted, animated and you get to see 50 different ones without moving around a museum

>>133078587
>How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become lost to our species?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9DTDDG8lc

>>133083903
Is that Michael Jackson and Blanket?

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>>133097950
Predictable & yet uninformed response.

>>133078587
For hose who don't know, the Italian renaissance was financed by the Medici family, a super rich family of bankers who wanted to buy some nice art. Seriously. Their crest looks like a slice of pizza
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Medici

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>>133098194
I don't know Goy, could it be that a techniques such as chiaroscuro are no longer popular and more faggots prefer the art style of Pollock to Caravaggio?

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>>133078775
Check your cis privilege, not all women get their periods!

>wow i dedicated my life to create marble replicas of humans

Boring

>>133078587
>How did this level of art, creative design and beauty become lost to our species? What sullied the word art now and equates it to faggot modern art museum's now?

Hello ameritard? You realize a naked statue would be banned in your country because "muh degeneracy" and " muh pilgrim values"?

>>133098871

They should check those things for cum and saliva.

>>133083084
Except that with marble you can't just hit CTRL+Z when you fuck up.

>>133092955
This.

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>>133078587

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>>133098351
>chiaroscuro no longer popular
>more prefer Pollock to Caravaggio
I'd be inclined to disagree with your assessment, maybe the beat generation preferred Pollock, and nothing wrong in that, he was very skilled at what he did, but these days I'd wager that Caravaggio is held in higher esteem, and as for chiaroscuro, it never went out of style.

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>>133099741
>it never went out of style
The lack of patrons supporting this art style would suggest otherwise.

Some things are esteemed but they are out of style, when was the last time a pop radio station played Beethoven for instance?

It's all supply and demand, artists need to eat too and they will only sell stuff there is a market for; which today is not to the tastes of people like us.

>>133079344
Quiet, retard.

>>133083840
>renaissance

Half of these are Baroque, the other half are practically Victorian

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>>133078587
>this will never be made again

>>133079280
All of these other long answers are just skirting and beating around the bush that is the Jew.

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>>133100076
>when was the last time a pop radio station played Beethoven
I listen to Beethoven on classic fm, pop culture has always been trash, even in the days of yore.
>The lack of patrons supporting this art style would suggest otherwise.
It's still there if you care to look, it's not all just conceptual rubbish these days, it's just that genre is the most triggering so gets all the attention, take a look at pic related, such chiaroscuro, much light & shade, wouldn't you agree ?

>>133095628
it was already changing with impressionism before that.
people got used to perfect realism, so it wasnt vogue anymore.

>>133078587
Nudity is degeneracy too! And it isn't art.

>>133086295
>handicap
confirmed for never having held a brush.

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YFW you realise that all these pieces of art will be destroyed by the Islamic Caliph of Europistan.

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>>133104349

Thinking the same thing anon

mfw

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>>133081582
I think the problem also is that these hyper realists in the pics you posted are sculpting ugly people in odd/discomforting stances. Maybe if they tried some built guy or beautiful girl where you are meant to appreciate their body it would work better. or the stance doesn't even have to be pretty, the rape of Persephone is an amazing statue and the forms are grotesque.

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I think before things like tv and flashing lights started distracting the every day man. Art was the epitome of admiration.
So more was made and more perfected.

>>133083038
We can only tell what the base paint was, not the other layers. So of course it might look odd.

>>133078587
>What sullied the word art now and equates it to faggot modern art museum's now?
modern art is just a front for money laundering

>>133095824
Pizza probably.

>>133078587

>implying germanics and mediterraneans have something related with ameriniggers which are shitty slavers that has contributed with nothing for humanity except stealing scientists and using immigrants

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>>133079042
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>>133079726
how do you even start making something like this?
I can't even mould play dough.

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>>133078587
In the 60's the CIA noticed hippies and leftists had a habit of turning into soviet sympathizers. Soviet russia capitalized on this and created propaganda campaigns depicting america as a cultural desert. The CIA fired back by creating a public image of the soviet union as a cold grey boring place where creativity and individualism was crushed under the thimb of "the man."

Part of this campaign was to create "modern art" (the very same talentless crap you mention) and then buy it for exhorbitant sums anonymously. This caused assorted hippies, lefties, and otherwise degenerate sorts teetering on the edge of turning the hippies cultural revolution into a communist insurgency to begin enthusiastically "sticking it to the man" by emulating the CIA created art style. The CIA would then anonymously buy pieces, they also appropriated govt funds to host expensive exhibits and comission pieces for public display.

Eventually it became self sustaining and dipshit wanna be art afficianados with lots of money got into it. It was designed from the ground up to be mindless, meaningless, and pretentious in order to keep leftist revolutionaries working on pointless bullshit under the illusion that they were disrupting the system whilst actually still unwittingly supporting it.

Not even tinfoil hat tier. It really happened.

https://www.google.de/amp/gizmodo.com/5686753/how-the-cia-spent-secret-millions-turning-modern-art-into-a-cold-war-arsenal/amp

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>>133082307
I don't know anything about painting, but would this much detail be put into a base coat? I figured that we simply lacked the ability to detect subtleties in coloration and were thus repainting the statues with broad strokes, so to speak.

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If making exact copies of reality is what you want, then pic related is much closer to it than anything before. It's just boring to do the same shit for 3000 years.

Also, quit whining about contemporary art. People would cover walls with literal porn back in Pompeii.

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>doesn't like modern art
fuckin philistines itt

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>be 30 years ago
>Missoula Montana is growing fast, we got money for art now!
>city decides to spend $40,000 (in 80's money no less)
>gonna get a bigass statue in the town square, fuckin awesome!
>sooo.... will it be a pioneer proudly gazing at the horizon?
>a stalwart miner holding the tools of his trade as a stoic reminder of the great blue collar workers who built this place?
>what about a nod to the native americans who used to winter in this valley with a proud blackfoot warrior?
>no were gonna build THIS piece of shit
>its 4 aluminum X's, and its called "crossings"
>get it? Cuz people crossed the river here a lot?
>isnt it just so metropolitan and cheeky!

Fuckin trash. Never let liberal arts majors run for your city council. Stupid ugly piece of shit has just been sitting there for 30 years like a giant middle finger to reason and common sense.

>>133108299
> People would cover walls with literal porn back in Pompeii.
this is where you realize people itt are lauding ancient art because of its magnificence, not because it has the adjective "ancient" next to it. I don't even know why I need to explain this to you.

>quit whining about contemporary art
why do you demand that people have no standards?

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>>133108299
Looks pretty cool. I'd love a gallery of those about military or really any history. Anyway, who's saying that we can only represent reality perfectly? There's plenty of room for style.

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>>133108806
>why do you demand that people have no standards?
why do you demand that people reject experimentation and abstraction?

>>133081110
>mfw my professor made this
>mfw i have seen this in real life

Its pretty spooky

>>133079726
Despite there being 7 billion people on the planet, not a single one of us can sculpt like this.

>people should make marble statues of cute girls for the rest of time

just because something is beautiful doesn't mean its the epitome of art.

>>133078587

what do you (((think)))?

>>133096484
>Fuck man I love history and Euro art... Which is why it's so sad seeing muzzies and liberals wanna destroy it :(

IT reminds them of their own inferiority, also, can we stop fetishizing blonde hair and blue eyes? Its nigger tier, most Europeans aren't blonde.

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>>133109419
There are plenty of good marble sculptors out there.
Most people don't try to emulate classical styles anymore though cuz it's just overdone

Its almost like real people were turned to stone.

>>133107570
It begins as a mould of clay. Then the artist uses a tool to measure a rough piece of marble to chip away. Look up some French guy on YouTube. I forget his name. He teaches you how to mold through geometric shapes. Very interesting

>>133109038
excuse me, are we supposed to ignore the fact that "contemporary art" has become synonymous with "LITERAL shit on a fucking canvas"?

nowhere did I imply that experimentation and abstraction is necessarily bad, faggot. making a shitty piece of work that required no skill to create is bad. huh, looks like the keyword here is "bad." Fucking incredible

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>>133108806
I mean the reason people are hating contemporary art isn't because it regressed. They're just unable to find what fits them. If you dislike some things you have standards. If you dislike everything you're just ignorant.

>>133078587
>What sullied the word art
Jews and critique.

Read Culture Of Critique by MacDonald.

>>133081110
>That nose
I wonder who funded this project?

>>133079344
>1 post by this ID
Ancap is a Jew psyop.

>>133081768
Christ, it reminds me of my first attempts at painting Warhammer 40k miniatures.
Thin your fucking paints sempai.

>>133109800
>I mean the reason people are hating contemporary art isn't because it regressed.
it entirely is though. Everyone who complains about contemporary art is complaining about it because its a canvas filled with random, meaningless brushstrokes, or sometimes just a single color, or is just a blank canvas, or something that was drawn by a three year old, or the piece of contemporary "art" is literally stuff they dug up from their trashcan and placed upon a podium.

Since I guess I need to state the obvious, obviously those are not the only things that are defined as contemporary art, but you are braindead if you don't think those things are what the words "contemporary art" is associated with, hence why people hate contemporary art: because its LITERAL trash

Art is a 100% useless waste of time and resources.

Every single artist, past and present, needs to get a FUCKING REAL JOB.

These fuckers are snobs for thinking they deserve food for this shit. I don't care if you can smack a rock until you get tits that look real, you aren't contributing a single thing.

>>133078587
post modernism pushed namely by communists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ2fMeer5Mw

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>>133109795
>the fact that "contemporary art" has become synonymous with "LITERAL shit on a fucking canvas"?
>this one example of contemporary art speaks for all contemporary art
You might actually enjoy contemporary art if you weren't so blinded by this strawman you've set up.

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>>133110227
You chose to associate the word with trash and now you dislike it because you associated it with trash. Here's something for you to associate the Edo perios Japan with.

>>133078587
>become lost

it's not lost, some of us can still make art
But these days, only retarded shit made by establishment cucks sells big
Other establishment cucks buy the ugly "art" and show off their money,
then they sell the same worthless "art" a few years later so that other "art collectors" can get media attention when they buy it.

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>>133110227
It's really not so hard to appreciate abstract art. A lot of it, I've found, is just fun.

>>133110757
Look at this man and laugh.

>>133078587
The people with money used to appreciate it and were willing to fund it. Now they're soulless husks who worship capital and nothing else.

Also probably Jews.

>>133079783
Is that a fucking NET made of marble?

That is GLORIOUS art. I can't even begin to imagine the sort of autistic effort that went into this.

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>>133110776
Being low-brow or even trashy doesn't make something trash, anon. And again,
not everything is hyper-serious or hyper -realistic. End of story.