Well?

Americans enjoy being poor.

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>>133065836

business owner incurs and sustains all losses/risks while the gender studies libkuk only has to try and not botch the name of whichever client he has to write down on the venti

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that DOES IT

> *cough*
> Heavily implied Capitalism sucks
> *cough*

Yeah fuck off humans are slaves in every economy.

Business owner takes risks including taking out loans, investing in certain industries, etc. Yeah maybe he was "privileged" but to harp on that is an easy way of justifying your own shortcomings. Capitalist America has made plenty of people who come from nothing incredibly rich, one thing these people all had in common was that they weren't lazy pieces of shit content with taking a job making fucking tea cups if we're gonna take your bullshit bait as a fair anecdote

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>>133065836

>Man builds company through coming up with an original idea, finding good contracting, investing in solid backing, going through the mountains of government paperwork/regulation and making wise decisions

>Guy who pushes a button thinks he deserves more

Really scrambles my eggs.

>>133066142
the worker sustains the actual risk of injury from the actual labour. you know, the labour that actually produces the product that the capitalist gets wealthy from?

the worker makes the biggest investment of their own time and energy. the capitalist merely invests money.

you sound like you're regurgitating a capitalist text book. learn to think for yourself

>>133065836
Ok so if the faggot with the hat decides he doesn't want to work for the white guy, how will he make money?

>If I do all the Labour, why are you still entitled to even the tiniest fraction of the profit?

>Because I own it. I literally told you this 5 seconds ago are you retarded? You know what you're fired get out of my factory.

>>133066383
So why doesn't the worker just make his own company

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>>133066383

>the worker makes the biggest investment of their own time and energy.

leafman this bait is of poor form

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>>133066383

Says the leaf who has clearly never built a business. Please kill yourself.

>>133065836
Business owner just laid out his entire business model in plain english, and then offered the guy a job. He can take the job or fuck off.

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>>133065836
Wealthy dude manages, and supplies material. Other dude makes stuff.
Both profit, but due to there being thousands of the worker, manager profits more.

>>133066383

the capitalist sees the rules of the game and uses them to his own advantage. people who suck at competition aren't usually the ones advocating for it

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>>133066383

This guy pushes a fucking button.

Literally every minimum wage job I worked is like that. You press fucking buttons and sit there. And smile. Fucking monkeys can do that shit, people should be HAPPY they're getting paid at all.

>>133066328
>>>Guy who pushes a button

spoken like someone who has never had to work in their life. You think that having a job is simply pushing a button?

it seems that only young children fiercely defend capitalism. Adults are simply compliant in the fact that this is the system they have to live in, and tolerate it. Only young, naive kids with no life experience are idealistic about it.

because I'm not a big dumb gay nigger

>>133065836
because you lack initiative, you lazy pothead. now make the cups or get the gas.

>my privilege
>i have inherited

the comic is arguing against a caricature of a rich person.

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>>133065836
Did you miss the "I own it" part? You couldn't produce the teacup without my equipment. I can't produce the teacup without labour. So you voluntarily exchange labour for a cut of the profit. And if you don't, someone else will.

>>133065836
Since when do ceramic teacups harm the environment? Isn't it literally just baked dirt?

>>133065836

I do economic research. I get to see the fee schedule we charge our clients. Out of $50k only $20k was for labor. I earned the vast majority of the labor component.

The rest went to overhead and research fees for databases. The building I worked in, the internet I used, and my supervisors to review my work.

Out of the 50K, if you only count labor I earned $40K of it through my work. Of course, if I was as retarded as a communist I would be outraded. But I know how much goes to fees, healthcare, retirement, overhead, so I am content with my situation.

Communist are upset because they don't understand how that Labor isn't everything. We still have to pay off our computors, we still have to pay off our back office staff, we still need to pay retirement and healthcare.

Stop being retarded.

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>>133065836
Everytime

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>>133066142
fucking rekt. why do commies not get this?

>>133066655
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>>133066455
Digits confirm lefties btfo

>>133066844
the energy for mass production comes from somewhere.

the waste from mass production goes somewhere.

people who defend capitalism really don't know how the world works, do they?

>>133066756
fucking dumbass why do you think milenials are commies? and conservatives who are pro capitalists are old in demographics... some newfags.. tisk tisk

>>133066455
sucking nigger dicks

>>133065836
I used to help make payroll in a company. Fully half of the revenue in the company is used for labor. This is common among manufacturing sectors, which is why China seems like such a good option to people who make things.

Profit (everything left over after wages, suppliers, taxes, rent, etc) makes up about 10% or less of a company's revenue, and is almost NEVER paid in salary to the CEO or President. They have fixed salaries like you. The dividends are paid to investors or rolled back into the company as purchases of hard assets like machines. The communist notion of a capitalist is a complete fiction.

>>133066383
>learn to think for yourself
learn to think at all. first of all it takes a lot more "time and energy" to set up a company and get it running then it does to send out a shitty cover letter and get an entry level job. its about risk and liability. the worker has nothing at stake, and can walk away if shit goes south, the owner/executive is responsible. they are for more invested in the company and have more to lose.

>he thinks money doesn't dictate business
how fucking stupid are you commies?

>>133067068
>Hydroelectricity
>Recycling
Dumb nigger commies have never set foot inside a factory and imagine them all to look like a Dickens novel.

>>133067252
People who were left wing hippies in the 60s and 70s are now voting reliably right-wing. You'll grow out of communism. Demographics proves it.

>>133065836
He put in all the effort to build and maintain this system.

The kid is a cog.
A costly cog at that these days.
Better get a mechanical cog that won't cost as much.
Sure, the engineer is going to take a cut from my current investment funds. But in the end my profit margins will be better.

On the flip side, the kid is now living off the welfare system that is fed from that industrialist with good business sense.

So either way, the dumb fuck is fed, and the man is richer for it.
Win win for society.
Except for the favela the kid lives in.
His sister was stabbed and raped yesturday, his mother was raped four times at the laundry pool!
Father's been dead for six years. Walked into a crossfire between drug dealers.

But it's better this way. Yes yes. Because college kids know everything about anything. They will make the world a better place. Yes yes yes...

>>133067068
What do industrial kilns run on? Does it use diesel, or just electricity? If it's the latter, then the energy could come from a hydroelectric dam or windfarm, and is no more reprehensible than charging your iphone.

>>133067395
Most industrial kilns are electric. Fossil fuel ones use natural gas, not diesel.

>>133065836

>Or starve to death
>Inherited
>Privilege

lol. I'm a fucking NatSoc and even I can't humor this lazy trash.

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>>133065836
wtf i'm a communist now

>>133067527
>Natsoc
>No humour
Huh, the Germans managed to put part of their national spirit into their ideology

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>>133065836
The owners of capital assume all risk and liability for the product. Workers don't get sued or lose their homes if the product ends up killing people or just flopping terribly. They just lose their jobs and go on to the next one (oddly, the more socialist a country's policy is the longer they spend unemployed).

The owners of capital manage the business from the designing of products to the administration of the employees to the marketing, which are all the factors that make a business profitable. Low ranked employees are little more than biological machines (T_T) and are paid for their time and loss of chemical energy. This is why these jobs are often transferred to sweatshops overseas. The more intellectual the job, the more the employee gets paid, rarely a "small fraction" of the value that is eventually purchased.

By the by, payroll is usually the single largest expense in any given business, so this comic is ignoring the relationship between labor and profit.

But you wouldn't notice these things if your understanding of economics is centered around muh morals and superficial fairness.

Capitalism is forced altruism

Socialism is theft

If you guys don't like sharing profits start your own business.

Nigger

>>133067702
thx for your input faggot

>>133067277
Pretty much this. Payroll accounts for about half my expenses, and I have a flowthrough of about 55%. That 55% profit isn't just pocketable, though. You have to plan for things like capital expenses and for slow business seasons.

>>133066383
>getting injured making coffee for hipster faggots
>baristas are "workers" now
Why are commies so fucking pathetic?

>>133065836
If blue shirt guy makes the wrong business decision he will lose his capital.

Good business decisions are decisions that lead to the mutual benefit of customers and the business.

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>>133065836
>Labor theory of value
>2k17
>relevant
In to the trash it goes.

>>133066383
The worker sustains very little risk. If the worker sucks ass at his job, he still gets paid. If the worker is good but his fellow workers are shit, he still gets paid. If the entire fucking workshop or factory sucks, he still gets paid.

That is, until the business owner, who assumes all the risk, can't keep profits up to pay his workers, and then has to fire a lot of them or close the factory down if it isn't sustainable. This costs millions of dollars and financially hurts the owner, whereas the worker assumes no damage at all other than needing to find another job.

Surely, in a healthy market the worker has very little to worry about, as they can find another job.

So you're telling me that not a single retarded commie knows how a business is actually run?

>>133066801
>no one replied
take that leaf, i hope your mother gets raped

Leaf faggot that is how it works and you are not entitled to all the profit commie fag . Stupid entitled Leaf faggot , go live in CUBA ! GTFO

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Well?

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>i dedicated years of my life getting an education to learn how to run a business and then took a massive financial risk by taking out loans to buy massive amounts of capital to produce a niche product that poses a massive entrepreneurial risk to me as I may or may not succeed on a large scale
>if i fail then I will be out tens possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars will have to declare bankruptcy and will have wasted years of my life
>if I succeed I will make enough money to have a comfortable living after years of making enough to pay back loans and pay my workers
>but youre right i should just give all the money to you because youre such a skilled laborer that you put your name on an application along with the 50 others you put in to places such as mcdonalds.
>I surely cant replace you with literally anyone else on the planet who comes in here and puts in an application

>>133066929
Being involved in business decisions will make you woke as fuck to how capitalism really works.

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>>133066801
Kek

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well /pol/, what did he really say?

>>133066929
top fucking kek, saved

>>133065836

b/c he put up the capital to purchase the machines and we have an iron will for private property that will never be broken no matter what commies say.

they can make infocrapics like this all they want, as soon as plebs realize the only way this works is the abolishment of private property, its game over. and yes, it is a slippery slope as has been proven time and again both in practice and philosophy.

>>133065836
>letting someone wearing that hat and expression into a place of business
Is this what commies believe?

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>>133066328
>SUPER BUSY

>>133065836
Because he owns the means of production, and I buying your labor. He is NOT giving you money because he wants to, you are selling him something.

>>133065836
>why are you still entitled to even the tiniest fraction of the profit?
Because I could replace you with child labor. Or robots.

>>133067385
because hydro power has no effect on the environment

and because you can recycle 100% of everything in a cost efficient manner.

you're actually a retard.

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>>133068125

May as well start with the original.

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>>133065836

>people are retarded enough to think this gay comic is logical in any capacity

Anyone who would post this is doomed to fail at life, so OP, I suggest that suicide be in your immediate future.

>>133068125
is this loss????

I went over to my friends house on Saturday. He got a new fancy BBQ grill. Some laser cut steel kit that had to be assembled. We were drinking a few beers, just hanging out. By the time we actually got around to opening up the box with all the parts in it his 3yr old kid shit his pants. So he had to run inside and clean the kid up. I put the grill together in roughly 20 minutes, and was totally done by the time he got back outside.

Then because I did all the labor, I put the grill in the back of my pickup truck, and drove home, because its mine now since I made it.
>Communists literally think this way

1) Wealth tends to not last through generations. The idea of a landed aristocracy in modern capitalist countries is basically a myth with so few notable exceptions that they are essentially celebrities for standing out so much.

2) Owning a business is something anyone can do. There's no privilege to it. Any retard can pass grade 10 and get into trade school for like $2000, or start a lawncare business assuming they literally can work a shovel. All it takes is motivation to stop sitting on your ass all day.

3) Owners take all the risk with capital, and their vested interest in making sure it doesn't all go to shit is why capitalism BTFO of communism.

If you hate being an employee, open your own business. Fucking get permits for a hot-dog stand. Invest in yourself if you think you're actually worth half a fuck. I work with small business owners and anyone can do it. You can be the dumbest fucker as long as you're willing to work for it.

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>>133065836
you exchange freedom for security when you work for someone.

The other person gains freedom at the expense of security.

When you work for someone, you first have to agree to work at a price mutually agreed upon.

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>>133067921
Being trans IS a mental health problem.

Not really a question of "letting" them be trans. It's like "letting" someone be bipolar.

Question is whether or not you seek treatment for the mental illness in question.

I wonder if there's some future where "being bipolar is perfectly natural. There's nothing wrong with them. Stop being bipolarphobic" and all we do is not treat them. So they're just basically crazy and go unmedicated.

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>>133067921
Here, this perfectly counters the point that artist tried to make

>>133068270
>Wealth tends to not last through generations
>what is a rothschild, rockefeller, kennedy... etc

>>133066801
clever

>>133066538
Saw that post coming a light year away

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>>133066383
What is OSHA?

>>133065836
people like the author of this comic deserve to die in destitute poverty. Unfortunately, the are often rich white kids who have their rent paid by mommy and daddy like OP so they won't starve even if we cut off gibs. That's why we need proactive reactionary measures to stomp out commies wherever they fester.

Like a Cancer feeds off the host organism, they feed off the wealth of the productive class.

>>133065836
because he supplies all the capital necessary to run the business, plus he took the risk of buying the machinery and the factory instead of just living off of his inheritance.

>>133068440
Are you illiterate or just retarded? Read the rest of the fucking sentence.

>>133067897
This is how ducking businesses are run. People are slaves which is a Satanic worldwide phenomenon. Slave owners are the targets to anyone who follows Jesus Christ...
Example: computer companies give their employees 1/4th to 1/2 the profit and spend less than 1/20th the effort while assuming 1/2 of the profits.. great way to ask for people to literally burn you to the ground and common practice.

>>133068502
a product of socialist activism? you're welcome

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>>133066011
We're wealthier than you, leaf

>>133066801
Ok, I audibly keked at this one

>third party trying to dictate the value of my labour
go away mate

>>133067565
>Believe in Santa
>Believe in communism
Everything checks out

>>133067921
>hello it is i, the strawman

>>133067921

A child does not have the mental capacity to consent to sex, let alone a sex change.

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>>133068612

>socialist activism

someone has been drinking too many faceberg memes.

>>133068556
Fuck off leaf, the whole military-industrial complex is made of a couple of hundred rich families that stayed this way for the last few generations.

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>>133066383
You're embarrasing us more than Trudeau. Stop.

>>133065836

Not sure why this is hard for retard capitalists or the autist communists.

Profit in a venture is equitably split between the investments both labor and owners put into a project over a period of time.

non labor costs / total costs (labor + non labor) = the split of profits that owners are entitled to, the remainder is to be split among labor in proportion to their wages.

The value that equipment brings to a venture is not hard to calculate. It's the price of the equipment + the cost of non labor maintenance over the course of that equipment's expected life / expected life.

But please continue the fantasy that equipment doesn't entitle the owner to profits, or that labor for some reason has no entitlement beyond wages. I like hearing these fairy tale fantasies.

>>133068612
>extremely limited socialism made my point irrelevant !
>And I knew it all along !
>You're welcome !
>International revolution now pls !

You're going to cringe at the memory of this thread some day, if you don't get killed trying to burn down a capitalist pigdog city first.

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>>133065836

Nothings stopping you from taking out a load and starting your buisiness, except for the fact that you're a degenerate marxist pussy.

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>>133066756
Just take some mescalin and fuck right off of /pol/ you hippie

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>>133065836
> 4-panel cartoon to depict volumes of economic theory and policy over centuries
> flag checks

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>>133066383

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Well?

>>133065836
Why doesn't the numale cuck also just build his own means of production?

>>133066676
i think the idea that you guys are retarded mostly comes down to the fact that a job so simple that a monkey can do it is over complicated by best practices bullshit and a bunch of stuff that makes it absolutely obvious none of you high earning shit heads know your ass from the handle of a spatula. If you had any incling of how worthless most of the higher paid positions actually are you could pay us better salleries and make more profits besides. This will unfortunately put out a bunch of arrogant nannies and retarded hr feminists from your ranks though so go ahead and keep supporting their busy work.

>>133065836
>'due to my privilege'
Stopped reading right there

>>133066676

>Literally every minimum wage job I worked is like that.

You're lying.

>be 16 year old busser. Push button, tables cleaned????

>>133065836
Because another guy will just come behind the guy who says this and take the position. Because the owner is taking all the risk. Because in this cartoon, its just serving fucking drinks and the guy is dressed like a fucking slob?

>>133066756

Yes, I've worked several jobs. I've been a bagger, a lifegaurd, a ride attendant, a barista, a laborer, a security guard and a pizza delivery boy.

Those jobs require bare-bones skills and get the pay they deserve. Fucking idiots like you need to be gassed.

>>133068886
Equipment has to generate profit for when it needs to be replaced, or else you will never regain on the investment.
Proper maintenance staff prolongs the life of the machine, so therefore generates greater profit.
You were smart enough to find the good people to do this, so you reap the benefits.

Don't know why this is such a hard concept for the college kids to grasp.

>>133065836
>How dare you give me a job thereby preventing me from starving to death!
Who feeds the slacker then if the rich guys fucks off and takes his machine with him?

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>>133066801
soon

>>133068829
Care to name a few?

>>133069017
>women can't be big and strong
putting a puss on that creature would be redundant.

>>133069017
Wow why did that old cunt do that? baka

You can't be a machine operator if there is no machine. It's easier to operate a machine then create one. If you can't figure out the rest you are a moron.

Fortunately labor is becoming an obsolete concept, and the owner will not have to deal with the toque man.

>>133066801
I didn't click that until everyone made weird replys, anyways, nice.

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>>133069056
>>133069098

See

>>133069129

I've worked shit jobs. THEY. DON'T. TAKE. HIGH. LEVEL. SKILLS. Other than showing up on time and listening to your superiors.

>>133066756
I spend all fucking day working overtime the whole year making sure the fucking manufacturing plant that just moved in from a chink nation gets the profits it expects, I have plan the logistics and deal with any problem that comes up in production (there are always a shit ton) while keeping up with any new brilliant ideas the chinks keep coming up with. You have no idea how fucking hard it is to run a fucking plant, but yeah sure the guy that repeats the same 7 muscular movements for 8 hours deserves all the money.
I am not the owner of course but the owner took the decision to move the plant to my country and if it fails he fucking lost most of his wealth so he is taking the biggest risk, if the plant fails I get a harder time getting a job in the same high position as this one but I will be fine and if the plant fails the workers just go next doors to the next chink plant and lose nothing.

>>133065836
>>133066383
>>133066756
>>133067068
>>133068203
>>133068612

>6 posts by this ID
>being this canadian
>actually believing this
>ignoring the hundred million dead from socialism

enjoy senate bill c16 fag

>>133065836
Welp, that convinced me, brb stopping the wheels and pulleys of an entire world's economy to suit my newfound and retarded beliefs.

>>133065836
I'm still a uni cuckie working a part time job, but my dad works like 70 hours a week. He has to meet with countless people to keep his company, his employees, and all the clients happy. He works all the time. He's doing emails, calls, impromptu flights to meet with various people.

He doesn't sit on his ass. Sure he doesn't do repetitive grunt labor like what I'm doing in my job at the library. He's doing higher order thinking as well as ensuring everything works well. Every cog is oiled.

Being a good capitalist business owner isn't about having a top hat and smoking a cigar while others break their backs.

Being a good capitalist business owner is making everyone just happy enough for the company to stay afloat.

Bet your leaf ass you didn't know what an executive has to do!
>Ensure growth to appease shareholders. This will have to be faster than inflation.
>Ensure client happiness with progress
>Butt heads with regulatory agencies to ensure that everything can get through to generate said profits.
>Make sure that the workers are paid enough to keep them. He works in a medium-experience-needed to start sort of field. They have to be compensated based on their experience enough, but not enough to hinder growth.

Now if my dad didn't do all these things. If he didn't have to travel constantly, meet with a ton of people, individually meet with people under him for lunch to ensure how things can go more smoothly. Evaluate his employees for quality of work. Make focus groups to see how to appease clients, customers, and even employees! Do research into competition.

There is so much damn shit my dad does. Smoking, drinking, and lording over people are the least of what he has time for.

Wagecucks wouldn't want to live the type of life an executive lives. It's much too stressful, and has very little breaks for hedonism.

>>133069222

Grumman, Lockheed, Boeing.

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>>133069263
>women
>capable of being anything but demure and submissive wives or evil bitches
where do you think you are?
I agree though, tall long haired women=10/10

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>be unfortunate enough to live in a world with no population control or breeding standards

>cry about being inconsequential to those willing to put you to some use

Marxists cry about the cancer they perpetuate

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>>133066383
>think for yourself
>and join this collectivist economic philosophy
hahaha what is this LITERAL garbage I'm reading?

>>133065836
The only thing the business owner doesnt own is the labour that the worker provides, which is why the worker is paid for it ffs. Is that so hard to understand?

>>133065836
Want more money than I'm paying you? Start your own business.

>>133065836
>tfw auto engineer
>fresh out of college, making bank
>go down to assembly plant
>get a tour
>guy spends like half the trip complaining about how millenials are shit
>can't get any of them to work in the plant because they're lazy
In the words of Blink-182 "If we're fucked up, you're to blame"

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>small business owner in Cuckada
>minimum wage $11.40/hour
>work your nuts to the bone to keep your dying business afloat
>barely getting by as owner after all the taxes and deductions made monthly
>workers start striking because "minimum wage is too minimum"
>watch the company you've put your life into burn in a huge fireball of fuck you because
>they needed that extra $3.60

Minimum wage is what it is to keep the balance of the economy. Adding even a dollar is like shifting the moon 100 miles from its astral position. The further it goes, the more fucked the planet is.

>>133069334
>Durr
indeed they don't take high level skills, they could be organized by a monkey and operated by one, which is surprising because every corporation I have ever run on is basically artificial bullshit jobs padded out to management, upper management, and other number checkers who do nothing but pretend the shit they say and do has any impact on how the store runs at all. these people and the people who made their jobs and best practices are so divorced from reality they don't realize we don't have time for this bullshit with such a small labor pool.

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>>133066801
>i own it
Actually, I own it. Everything is mine, I have merely yet to take it.

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>>133069500

Women uncorrupted by kikes are loyal and reliable creatures

>>133069460
>>Ensure growth to appease shareholders. This will have to be faster than inflation.
this is why corporations are shit in the first place.

>>133069432
>6 posts by this ID
It's my thread, you retarded faggot. there's over 120 posts so far. I'm responding to retards like yourself. Consider yourself lucky, since I'm only able to respond to 1/10th of applicants.

>>133068891
>workplace safety regulations
>>extremely limited socialism
you're so butthurt because you know you're wrong. go cry in a corner, maybe you'll feel better about having an inferior, incorrect worldview. don't let me keep you from posting your ignorance and misinformation in other threads, though :)

>>133067921
Is that piss they're drinking?

>>133069500
Go off the beaten path in any slavic country, you'll find yetis with melon tits chopping wood.
Most trannies want to be an idealized cartoon version of a gender and have no more idea than a crayon what being a woman/man is really about.

>>133065836
He does and has not done even a fraction of the labour. the skinny little commie fag does not have the brain to understand.

>>133068964
>I need "volumes" and "centuries" to tell me how to think

you're a lemming. a perfect capitalist.

>>133069463
Those are publicly traded companies. I'm talking about wealthy families.

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Well?

>>133069334

I agree that they are low skills. But they are hard work. Sorta like picking cotton or something.

>>133069854
and for pol, loyal and reliable women = meek house wives who obey their husbands and don't question him or her role in society.

yack all you want nazi, even your leader said women are for the small, you may consider the small important, but you cannot convincingly shill the idea that small is actually big any more than you can shill the idea that women are mentally inferior but theyre actually still equal to men because we say so even though you don't get any rights.

>>133068632
I'm wealthier than him, not you.
Now get back to your shift at the footlocker while you vote me another taxbreak.

>>133069704
Think of the worker, working some shit job for 30 years getting regular raises.
Every fucking time the government pulls this shit, he's knocked back down to minimum.

So that after 30 years of experience, busting your ass, you're still making minimum fucking wage.

Holy hell, it's amazing that the suicide rate in Canada isn't higher right now.
What the fuck is the point of putting the effort in any more?

To add to your post a bit though. If you had to choose between a labour job for $15 an hour, or flipping burgers for the same wage, what would you choose?

Because of lot of small companies are going to be faced with this shit.
If I wanted to bring on an employee, they'd leave in a day because of what I'd expect of them.

>>133066801
>Continuing the pictures' point outside green text
>Or quotations.
>Just larping the picture.

Jesus Leaf's fucking bother me when they post.

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>>133070056
Fixed.

>>133069939
actually most trannies I know worship the idea of finding a woman like that when they aren't lusting after dick. I think i've met one tranny who was dominant

>>133070047

Soros, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Saud

>>133068788
>>133068891
>>133069432
He's right though.

Things like OSHA, unions, and other workers' rights movements helped put an end to worker exploitation and 14-16 hour working days in squalor conditions that often maimed, injured, and killed the workers. Nevermind benefits, severence packages, pensions, healthcare and the like. This shit is so important it even helped get Trump elected.

Do you people really want to go back to living at the start of the industrial revolution?

What a bunch of fucking idiot monkeys with no capacity for critical thought. Only able to parrot the same retarded cuckservative mantra's they've been indoctrinated with. Just because you dislike the word socialismus doesn't mean everything with tangential relation to socialism is bad. You sound like morons who'd love to be mindless worker slave-drones, ready to be cast away as soon as the husk is worn out.

We aren't fucking chinese. Get a grip on what you want our society to look like you fucking imbeciles.

>>133065836

In the third panel, who bought the teacup machine?

>>133066801
Top kek, fucking faggot.

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Capitalism über alles.

>muh suplus value

https://youtu.be/heXb2zSO0Ww

>>133070201
Those are the celebrity families the first anon mentioned. The other guy said there are hundreds. Still waiting for some of those...

>>133070005
>doesn't know what "centuries" is
Get off my flag you foreign devil commie fuck.

>>133065836
That bald guy also knows that niggers are worse than shit, so he's bretty cool in my book

>>133065836
How do you think the company owner bought all those machines?

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>>133069711

Those do matter, though. Far more than one rouge shit-level employee.

Upper management/corporate jobs are objectively more important to a company's well-being than service level emplyment. Besides, this wouldn't be a fucking problem if only teenagers/retirees had the service jobs (like they're supposed to) instead of niggers and spics thinking that they can raise a family of seven off of them.

we have to reward people for reinvesting profits into capital

A worker takes his earnings and spends them on himself. He puts it back into the economy, yes, but if everyone put all their earnings back into goods, there would be no capital (read: tools to make goods) to make anything.

So how do we reward reinvestment? Why take my dollar and invest instead of buying something for ME right now?

The only way we can convince people to do that is by giving them the future returns on their invested dollar. The effect is that after a long while, the business owners (the people who invested rather than spending) make more money because they didn't spend it earlier.

The rest of the problem is a consequence of the right to pass on one's estate. This further concentrates money into a few individuals, as the dollar invested by someone 100 years ago is making 100 dollars a year for his descendants today. Now they can spend AND invest. So they just have an advantage over anyone else.

There's no easy way to fix this, as it is a consequence of investment (important for the economy) and personal property rights (important for the economy and a moral issue)

>>133065836
It's explained in the first panel. You will work for me, or starve to death.

>>133066142
So they're risking their mass wealth. Meanwhile the worker risks their life.

>>133070257
Henry Ford created the 40 hour, 5 day work week and he was an antisemite who financed Hitler. Nazis aren't that bad. Gas the kikes, race war now.

>>133065836
This comic assumes right off the bat that business owners only got where they are because they were lucky enough to be born onto a wealthy family, what a load of shit.

>>133066756
>it seems that only young children fiercely defend capitalism
I'm middle aged, grew up poor in Northern Canada, now an exec at one of Canada's top 100 employers.
I am the boss now.
I did that by working hard, focusing on education, and proving myself as a worthy investment by the company.
The reason you have failed is because you're a fucking retard.
If the guy in the panel wanted a better job, he should have got an education so he could do something with more risk, responsibility and acumen then pushing a fucking button.
The manager has to know how to manage orders, customers, payroll, profits, suppliers, etc.
He can do shit that the idiot pushing the button cannot.
He can also push the button.
He has more value than the idiot. Your egalitarian nonsense is disproven nonstop every day.
Succeeding in Canada is fucking EASY. Immigrants who don't even know the language can come over here and do it.
You can't because you're just a shit person.
You can't start your own company and compete because you are too stupid and lack the education the company owner does in your little parable.

>>133070602
Internet commies have never worked a job where their lives were at risk, go get a fucking job idiot.

>>133066383
>Worker sustains the actual risk of injury
Yeah, that's what worker's comp is for. Idiot. the worker doesn't have actual risk if they make a defective product other than being fired. They don't have to claim bankruptcy, they don't have to pay loans back to the bank, nope. All they have to do is show up and make the product how it's supposed to be made.

>>133069870
>publicly traded companies are bullshit
>all companies should be the economic equivalent of a feudal kingdom

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>>133070348


hidden right under your nose. Really makes you shill huh?

>>133070257
>husk is worn out
who are you kidding, they'd kill all of them just to dump raw sewage into drinking water if it cost them less gas money to get it somewhere safe. Corporations are unironically more evil than most governments. theyre a force of unbridled greed and destruction as much as they are creation, and the wealth they create is always at the expense of someone or something. To reject capitalism entirely seems far fetched but some retarded rightfags on pol seem to desire a hell world where they can legally kill millions of people to save a buck and never see retribution while the rich and the government let people live in such squalor they couldn't even imagine.

Marxism only took root in the first place because shit was so unbelievably bad that people would do anything to make it stop.

>>133065836
Get your money up fuckboi
Not our problem you dont wanna work
Use your brain and make your own million dollar idea

Everybodys communist till they get rich

>>133065836
I cannot wait for robots to replace you useless commie fucks.

>>133066383
the businessowner risks his life through investments

>>133070257
>benefits, severence packages, pensions, healthcare and the like
All horrendous market distorting policies that are failing everywhere and for good reason. You can't just put these arbitrary lines between workers and employers. If a worker would rather earn more working 40 hours a week with no health care package they should be able to choose that option.
If people had to pay the cost of healthcare direct from their pockets you'd see higher employement, lower health care costs, and a population that is more engaged on health care policy since they aren't all deferring all the problems to the HR department and are more incentivized to directly monitor their costs.
Also, leafs are retarded and not worth responding to and I regret typing this up.

>>133070785
yes, they are bullshit, because it ensures that the corporation is about profit first and can't have any values. You can even be charged as a crime if you don't exploit loopholes for the company to avoid taxes because it wouldnt get the shareholders the most profit they deserve, the whole system is poisoned by greed, a new way to finance and boey enterprises should be formed.

>>133070523
Why would we want to fix this?
Aside from ending the butthurt of the poor that is. (Just as a side, I come from a poor background, and have never had wealth)

If my great grand pappy was smart enough, and resourceful enough to set things up for his descendants, then why the ever loving fuck shouldn't they have that advantage?

Newcomers to North America have that same opportunity. To build something. To leave something for their children.

But how many do? And who do the masses blame when they have nothing left at the end of the day?

>>133065836
This is retarded. Like running that whole fucking business isn't working. Also a machine can often contribute much more than one unskilled human body, don't get a big head. And all that equipment also represents the labor that built it, which had to be paid for and it sure didn't come from you.

JUST

UGH

>>133070809
I know /pol/ is supposed to be a work of fiction, but I just realized there are people that literally believe that tripe.

What a crazy world.

>>133069986

Exactly. The one who got involved the earliest has done the most cumulative labor in the process.

>>133067262
>implying that they would pay

>>133071020
>you have the same opportunity as schlomo mc jew, you';re just jealous of his complete control over media
how do you fucking fags even function. you are unironically suggesting that the jews have every right to do what they do because money lets them do that and their forefathers had the foresight to insinuate them in finance and make them into the elite.

>>133070968
>All horrendous market distorting policies that are failing everywhere and for good reason. You can't just put these arbitrary lines between workers and employers.

All these horrendous market distortions that make working for a living bearable, you mean.

I have no problem stringing you up on the lamp posts with the communists; this unbridled corporatism is just as bad for society.

>>133070602
>making tea cups is a dangerous task where you could lose your life
You know, I thought these meme flags were a bad idea but now that commies are directly identifying themselves I've learned better. Now I understand. everyone who identifies with that cancerous ideology deserves to be rounded up and eradicated.
Actually it goes further than that.
We have a duty to round up and murder commies before they wreak havoc on us all.

>>133071236
I'm saying that you, as an individual, can do exactly what they are doing and out jew them if you choose.

Just because the masses are too lazy or distracted to do it, doesn't mean we should restrict the freedom to do it.

But we should gas the jews. Because fuck them.

>>133071313
you're not wrong.

>>133065836
why dont you make your own bussiness and share the profit equally with your labourer
while you also have to pay the expenses like salaries, medical bill, training fees etc etc

>>133071134
if you're criticisng me with that line and not pol, ambigious as it is, I feel compelled to inform you that what I mentioned was not hyperbole but a literal thing that happened in london during the hay day of the industrial revolution

>>133065836
If the business owner payed for all of that means of production, has to deal with the government bullshit necessary to keep his business from being destroyed by the government for failing to adhere to their shitty regulations, offers to his workers financial security through steady salary, and will absorb all of the cost if his business fails, why does the worker think he is entitled to more than what the employer is willing to pay him? Why doesn't the worker go to any of the innumerable other jobs that are available in a capitalist society?
>>133066383
>The worker sustains the risk
Only if the job is actually risky, most of the whining commies I've met are upper middle class or rich twenty-somethings who work in office jobs or as waiters or baristas, none of which incur significant risk of physical harm.
>The worker invests the most time
No they don't, they leave at the end of their shift but the business owner usually works long afterwards.
>>133070057
If you don't like hard work you should look for an easier job, the issue is that jobs that don't require physical labor but also pay high salaries would require you to have more than the skills that every human being should be expected to have at adulthood and commies who are usually adult children fail to express any of these advanced skills or qualities that would entitle them to a more than menial job.
>>133070602
I work a 9-5 job, probably unlike yourself, and I have never once risked my life. I receive regular steady income for my work and if I am dedicated I can expect an increase in my earnings within half a year.
>>133071018
Do you have any ideas about how that would be done? Why is a company being held legally responsible to it's investors a bad thing? How do you suggest that system be repaired or reformed?

>>133065836

So why doesn't that little elven faggot pool his money up and open his own damn teacup business?

The choice, by the way, isn't between petty laborer and wealthy business owner. Many wealthy people don't own a business. You can become a skilled worker and make $300k a year if you're really good. Even executives like >>133070695 aren't business owners. The services they provide companies are in their entrepreneurial skills, and just happen to give big money.

Either you have a problem with corporations, or you have a problem with small and privately owned business. If you have a problem with corporations, you can be the fucking business owner. Just buy stocks, you dummy.
>>133071020
I don't know that we necessarily want to "fix" it. I don't know that it's broken. I know that worker wages in the US (canada too?) and the wealthy have been getting wealthier. If the wealthy never have to spend their money, and it grows faster than GDP does, they'll inevitably have all of it unless they manage to lose enough to taxes. An increase in estate tax might not be so bad, but I don't know.

>>133071345
>how dare you want to stop me from being a jew
>we should gas the jews though fuck those guys for being more rich and successful than me

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>>133070146
You see, its fucks like you that complain that they are underpayed that make Canadians look gaping vaginas.

My friend works at discount Home Depot, owns an apartment, smokes copious amounts of weed and has enough to get by.

My brother is a construction worker in Toronto, has a wife and 2 daughters, and STILL gets by fine.

I worked as a fucking summer camp dishwasher for 600 campers and staff for almost an entrie summer. My pay was variable because I was in a contracted position. I STILL made enough to live comfortably.

Its not a matter of having a "shitty job" or "shitty employers." Its about your spending habits and making sure that you have enough money to pay the bills, while at the same time be able to put food on the table. Everyone just wants more money because they feel like they've earned it, but in reality, completely negate that we live in a country where we can flip burgers and still live comfortably. Mind you that you're money-wise.

I will give you one thing, though. At this rate, the way Trudeau is steering this ship, we'll be hitting an iceburg within the next 2 years, guaranteed.

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>>133070067

It's not a competition, you want men and women to compete when they are biologically designed to WORK TOGHETHER you delusional faggot.

Men and women built western civilization together, it wasn't the kike narrative or men using women as slaves - that's marxist propaganda. Both men and women enjoyed the fruits of property ownership and freedom in the west and no war of the sexes was necessary. It's symbiosis.

Revisionit kikes made suffrage out to be some violent struggle when in reality men unanimously caved and gave women what they wanted out of KINDNESS and COMPASSION not intimidation.

>>133065836
If the workers make nothing then who the hell is buying all the overpriced bullshit they are making? You retarded faggot don't know shit about economics.

>>133071441

Noone says they don't like hard work for fair pay you fucking retard. It's just the fact that unskilled labor is not just pushing a button. Like holy shit how much are you paid to type this shit?

>>133071441
> Why is a company being held legally responsible to it's investors a bad thing? How do you suggest that system be repaired or reformed?
spitballing here but close sueing for not avoiding the fucking law through arcane loopholes, further limit lobbying, and most importantly make investments more long term so that the people actually investing have to give a fuck about the industry theyre supporting instead of just throw money at bots to make money.

>>133066756
>spoken like someone who has never had to work in their life
That's actually exactly what the comic implies
Look at the panel with the"means of production"
LITERALLY a button

>>133065836
>Old dude amasses wealth by smart spending and investing, so his intelligence was at play.
>Plans out his business to make a profit.
>Probably worked 18 hour days during the start-up.
>Assumes the risks of a failed venture.
>Builds the system to make the teacups.
>Corrals a bunch of cow-like workers with an IQ of 80 and their profit-driven unions.
>Overcomes the setbacks caused by fluctuating markets.
>HURR DURR YOU DON'T DESERVE MONEY!
I guarantee you the worker couldn't do half of what the business owner did.

>>133065836
>If I do all the labour, why are you still entitled to even the tiniest fraction of the profit?

>Fair enough, therefore I will replace my whole workforce with machines. They are faster, cheaper, and will be owned by me. Anyone hired to repair/maintain those robots will not be entitled to my profits.

Are you happy now, leaf?

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>>133071491
The masses have the voting power, right?
Getting the message out to the masses is almost to the point of having no cost at all....
What's to stop the people from working out an acceptable balance?

Aside from all the ignorance, petty bullshit, and generally bad human nature that always fucks things up.

>>133071508
I'm self employed. I am underpayed, but only in the sense that I'm not paying myself a high enough salary for the work I'm doing.
Instead leaving the excess as an end of year bonus.

I got by on 7.75 an hour, burning a half ounce of weed every week. On my own.

Shit's not hard. Stop projecting onto me the failures of society so you have a whiteboard to talk off of.
That's not how we discuss things rationally, friend.

>>133071279
No they don't you fucking retarded leaf. Voluntary negotiations make working for a living bearable. Freedom of association make working for a living bearable.
Our ancestors fled Europe(or in your case China) to get away from this shit and go live somewhere where people could negotiate between themselves a fair wage and fair bargains without the interference of some faceless faggot bureaucrats who are only interested in ruling over you with an Iron Fist with their tiny slice of authority.
The primary force degrading worker standards in the west are:
Competition from shitskins who don't seem to mind working 100 hour weeks for $6,000 a year and women entering the workforce who don't believe in asking their bosses for higher wages.
I really shouldn't be wasting time explaining this to you because someday you'll probably have a real job and you'll learn all of this on your own then.

Instead of trying to take away someone else's business why doesn't the laborer just start his own?

Really makes me think.

>>133068218
>TFW something this blatantly making fun of communism actually could be seen as Poe's law

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>>133071823
you'd be the only leaf that I'd let into America, once Canada goes completely to shit.

>>133071828
>The masses have the voting power, right?

It's kind of weird to say that in a discussion (presumably) about what government SHOULD do. The question being, is this system broken? To what extent should wealth be redistributed? More or less than it is currently? And in what way to best trade off individual property rights and entrepreneurial potential with average quality of life?

I don't have the answers, just trying to rephrase the questions in a productive way.

>>133071823
I like it

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>>133065836
I Cant even tell if this is pro or anti capitalism.

It accurately describes the situation, but then the worker just randomly jumps to : I SHOULD GET ALL THE MONEY BECAUSE I PUSH THE BUTTON.

Just from the comic I am siding with the business owner.

Its his machine that he built with his money. He could operate it himself, but he will trade you resources so he can do something else.

The real problem comes down to the inherent unfairness of the bargaining positions and straight up ignorance of worker vs the boss.

Nothing wrong with capitalism where all the workers form a giant union CALLED THE STATE AND FORCE THE CAPITALISTS TO OFFER FAIR DEALS.

PROVE ME WRONG.

>>133071721
I get payed in enjoyment watching commies produce shit arguments and continue to prove why they don't deserve more than minimum wage. Who decides what fair pay is? Is it the worker, who takes none of the large scale risk upon themselves? Is it the government who would prefer everyone be poor and reliant on it for their very survival? Or is it the person who you know, actually willingly gives other people their own money in exchange for work, the person who incurs all of the large scale risks or running a business, the person who will pay all of the taxes to ensure that business isn't attacked by the government, etc, etc?

What exactly does the worker do that allows him to dictate terms of payment?

>>133065836
>"you will work for me or starve to death"
it's called The Only Capitalist In Town.

>>133071512
>women weren't used as slaves
you are right, women were worth so much less than a slave you had to pay someone to take a woman. its not marxist propaganda. women had no choice in her life, married the people she was told to marry, and provided children on pain of death depending on how important the heir was. There was no symbiosis. Women were property, there where very insignificant situations, as pol impresses often, where they broke the mold but that is an exception, not a rule.

>men gave women what they want unanimously
wrong
>the ones who did did so out of kindness or compassion
also probably wrong. though the ones who supported suffrage probably did, the people in actual congress? guaranteed all they gave a shit about was the opinion polls and re-election.
It should be noted that a very large portion of pol wants to remove us from politics, want us out of careers, and to obey our husbands and be submissive. You cannot pretend this is equality unless you are so delusional you have no basis for understanding something as simple as how agency works.

>>133070067

>men were mean to women and had all the power

>queens and empresses never existed

>the early matriarchal societies never existed

>Implying it isn't intuitive for wealth to be entrusted to women and their children, when men had no real way of telling who their children were

Think about it

>>133065836
Aside all the logical and rational argumentation here some real world insights:

> 1. That little guy can be happy if he gets employed by me. Lots of competition, and i surely won't employ some ungrateful piece of shit who's up for trouble and complains right away.
>2. My property, i can do whatever the fuck i want. If i want to run a company, make and sell stuff, i can do so. Thats literally none of your business.
>3. Why should i care about that guys life or life at all being fair? I don't at all, he can go die in the streets.
>4. Create trouble, threaten me or destroy my property and i will call immediatly the police/authorities to punish you and get you into living hell.

Lessons to learn:
The weak should fear the strong. Power is power.

Poor and/or young fags complain about capitalism cause they have no clue about life or anything.

>>133072127
No one has the answers, or we'd be living in paradise right about now.

But if we can phrase it right, maybe someone will be able to understand it in just the right way to give us a solution that actually works.

Until then, the discussion will go on.

But in olden times, when the wealthy got too big for their britches and too greedy, it tended to be an uprising and "off with their head".

Kings and Queens may have all the wealth and military power. But the people will always have the numbers. And numbers is all you need.
Just ask the 10 million russians that jammed up the German sausage grinder.

>>133072264
>Women were slaves!
Shit, I wish. We'd have so many less problems and women would be happier.

>>133071863
>women entering the workforce
god you are so stupid for falling for this meme. WOMEN ENTERED THE WORK FORCE LONG BEFORE FEMINISM YOU DUMBFUCK. EVERYONE HAD TO WORK BECAUSE INDUSTRIALIZATION DROVE EVERYONE OUT OF A JOB!

>>133065836
What exactly, is your alternative structure for producing and distributing teacups (representing any commodity here)? You can't bitch about the way things are until you have a solution you lazy ass leaf fag.

>>133066676
>This guy pushes a fucking button.
>Literally every minimum wage job I worked is like that. You press fucking buttons and sit there. And smile. Fucking monkeys can do that shit, people should be HAPPY they're getting paid at all.
not for long.

A U T O M A T I O N

aka the death of the plebeian

>>133065836
>Who put down the investment
>Who manages inventory
>Who pays taxes on inventory
>Who pays property taxes
>Who finds competent employers
>Who takes risk starting a company hoping to turn a profit
Oh right... The fucking entrepreneur.

Also
>Implying 99% of businesses are operating on anything other than the barest of profit margins
>Implying most small business owners make significantly more than their employees.

Lol.

Fucking retards.

>>133072317
>No one has the answers

I bet that someone does, but I don't think we have a political climate where their viewpoint will be found and spread. People just determine what they're "pro" (pro business, pro worker, pro poor, pro minority) and vote for whoever is "pro" the same thing. So we have a climate that rewards pandering and not sound policy.

I wish we just had an intelligent, benevolent dictator, but I'll settle for extremely imperfect democracy.

>>133071863
Women had been working alongside men since the Edwardian era.

>>133065836
>anticap leaf

Not surprised.

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>>133072628
>your
I hate you so much. 100% triggered.

>>133072669
>missing "then"

>>133066464
this

>>133066325
This guy gets it. Any business is a risk. The owner networks with distributors and suppliers, pays for the machines upfront, markets his cups, and hopes that consumers will buy his cups. He has a right to pay whatever he wants; if the wages are too low either he will get no employees, or very bad employees. Of course in reality, people do get exploited, but there are also many other firms to work for.

>>133071828
>self-employed
>under-payed

It seems almost every Canadian on this thread is content with bitching about their pay cheque and everything they want, but forget entirely about everything they need.

This is the highest our minimum wage has been since Canada was formed and we are already seeing companies go out of business, people being "let go" because their employers can't afford extra workers and now Canadians bitching about "muh paycheque."

The reason I chose to harp on you is because you are a perfect example. You're working independantly (mistake #1) but still find the need to tell everyone how much you COULD be making (mistake #2) instead of what you SHOULD be making (strike #3).

$11.40/hour is more than enough Canadian minimum wage, and whoever thinks otherwise should be gulag'd to Newfoundland.

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>someone hired me to operate the means of production
>therefore I should own the means of production and not the person who bought it

>>133066756
One of the best jobs I had was working a press. You pulled two levers. Fuck off commie dipshit.

>>133072274
>giving your investments over to someone with less education, no practice handling it, and only knows the life of cleaning, cooking, and raisng children.

This isn't how shit worked senpai, the 'wealth' 'entrusted' to the mule I mean wife, was in physical goods, often trade goods.
>queens and empressses
where an exception as I already said
>men where mean to women and had all the power
welcome to reality. men are stronger, don't have to raise a children so can hunt more, and naturally have a better sense of direction than women. they where basically evolutionary destined to take high leadership roles, but shit only got really bad for us after the neolithic revolution. almost no matriarchal socities matter, and patrilineal is the dominant word on expressions of wealth and entrusting.

>>133072788
I wasn't going to make an entire post about it. Now I realize I should take a break from the internet and go read my Japanese light novels and watch my Japanese animes.

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>>133068125

>>133067884
Exxon isn't going out of business. The risk that the managers have is not making enough profit and getting fired.

Small businesses are pretty irrelevant in this discussion.

>>133071823
Beautiful

>>133072601
finally, someone not brain dead. why does everyone in this cunt of a board think feminism started women working?

>>133072866
>>133071828
am I missing something or are you thick fuckers agreeing

>>133070602
Why do you assume that the capital they put at risk is "mass wealth"? Please try to present your arguments without emotion and hyperbole.

>>133073013
I made my entire image for you're pleasure.

>>133066383
>>133070602
I'm sorry, when was the last time you died at work?

>>133072460
They are bad slaves and suck at everything they are told to do. Thats why we stopped doing that i guess.

Wagecucks are too dumb to realize how much work and money goes into operating a business. If they were smart enough to realize this, then they wouldn't be wagecucks.

>>133073091
Because that's the lie feminism has told for decades now, so people accept it as truth.

>>133065836
Businesses take on trillions of dollars in risk every year, none of the owners make that much. even combined. If it wasn't for bankruptcy, speculation, investments, and credit, then the system could not work.

Redistributing wealth and ownership also means redistributing risk. Right now in the US, that risk equals much more than you are likely to earn from redistributing the post cost profits.

For example, at a typical Subwway franchise, employees are paid min wage, my example comes from a time when this cost $7.25 an hour. The franchise itself has costs that run into about 2.5 million per store, which is relatively cheap. But they only hire about 4-5 people overall.

Right now, one owner owns the store and opens and closes it as he sees fit. He owes the brand for their reputation, menu, and ability to advertise on a large scale. Those are huge costs. Initial licensing alone is $35000 and it includes no hardware or materials. Then you have payroll taxes, social security taxes, sales taxes, business licenses, inspections, rent, and overall business taxes for state, county, and federal. All of which reoccur.

The net gain is not much, a successful subway only nets an owner about $60,000-$100,000

While this looks like a lot to an employee making minimum wage, ($15kish), if you redistributed the owners max income among 5 people, everyone would only be at $29k Again, this looks like a pretty major increase, most poor people would jump at the chance.

Now here's why you're an idiot. You're share of the risk is now $416,666.

See every strip mall that closed down? Every failed franchise? You get to live in debt hell the rest of your life. Soon you'd be begging new places not to make you be an owner.

Our current system rewards successful bids, without risking everyone's well-being over it.

Stop bitching and move to china. If you want to live in a communist society nothing is stopping you. Some starter tips are to bring an oxygen tank and try not to starve to death, or be executed.

>>133068407
HAHAHA I HOPE THAT STUPID IDIOT FUCKIN KILLS THEMSELVES. THEIR AIN'T NO GETTING YOUR PENIS BACK NOW YOU DUMB FAGGOT! HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>133073136
>you're
I fart in your general direction.

>>133073240
fuck

>>133073240
>Wasn't going to respond.
>Phone rings, it's mom.
Better not risk it.

>>133073279
>>133073091
because americans have trouble looking past the 1950s. They think that every social issue in the 1950s has existed since the beginning of time.

The fact is, the 50s were a boom that allowed 1 parent to avoid working. This is unprecedented and was unsustainable, reverting back to the norm very quickly.

>>133073240
I swear to god.

>>133073214
feminism is unironically the product of you replacing the one thing you had almost all women doing; textiles. spinning yarn, sewing, weaving, bleaching. all erroded from the 1700s onward.
>>133073279
feminism is literally the most retarded thing that actually worked. It's the equivalent of shooting your own toe by accident and severing a malignant tumor without even realizing it.

>>133073422
it fucking drives me insane, the 1950s are fucking amazing aesthetically at times I get that more than many people, but they are not a model of the perfect fucking family, nor is the nuclear family the end all be all of societal organization.

>>133073486
You forgot where they blame men for it.

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>>133065836

>guy literally explains that he owns the company, owns the machinery to make teacups, owns the raw materials to make teacups, and is the one who sells them
>minimum wage cuck literally would have no income if this guy wasn't providing him with a job
>this guy pays more in taxes than the labor cuck makes in his lifetime, making the businessman a greater net addition to the economy
>"yeah, but why do you get anything for it?"

>>133073240
You

>>133073422

you don't understand how shit works son

lurk more

>>133071863
>Voluntary negotiations make working for a living bearable.

You're so goddamn naive.

Employers operate from a very strong position, further cemented by women working, and the importation of migrants. Nevermind the capital to afford lawsuits and crack lawyers. There is NOTHING fair about the "voluntary negotiations" taking place when you look for a job. It's 100% stacked against the employee, thanks to extensive hard work by corporatist who are willing to fuck the country into a goddamn collapse just to make a buck.

How can someone this stupid even be here?

You really are just as bad as the commies.

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>>133065836
>>>>>what is networking, investing, insuring, and delegating resources for $400?

>>133071313
Right wing death squads.

>>133073638
Business owner got all that shit through privilege.

Time for nationalized businesses. We don't need 190 brands of red cups. One factory can make all the cups. Workers get paid a fair wage, managers get capped salary, no owners, all remaining profit goes back into improving the company.

>>133073674
what do you mean? I've been on 4chan since 2008. I haven't been here much in the last few years because of college though.

>>133066801
Two dicks in the ass of a nigger bull is worth 10 dead sand niggers chained to a sinking ship.

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You know why all these commies are popping up?
Because you have forgotten freedom, murrica no longer has snek, now the kikels rigged the system and lefties think the rigging was done by capitalism. You have forgotten the face of your fathers.

>>133065836
Let's see, the business owner pays for the purchase or rent of the building, pays for the cost of the equipment used to make the product, pays for the cost of the raw materials to make the product, and the cost of utilities and maintenance He also likely came up with the idea of making the product, and it is guaranteed that he is the one who has to make sure that the company makes a profit, and suffers personally if his investment does not pay itself back.

>>133065836
>provides machinery
>provides materials
>provides technical specifications
>simplifies production process so this retard can do it
hmm I think he deserves just what he gets

>>133065836
-"work for me or starve to death"
..or someone else who needs you who isn't greedy like this guy, competition remember?
-"you'll make tea cups for a tiny fraction it takes to make them"
I guess in mainland china yes, not in America
-"sell a basic commodity"
you still need to sell it relative to your competitors
-"I sell it for ten times what it costs to make"
Unless you have competition that sells it at a lower price...
-"At the cost of the environment"
Well, true capitalism involves private property, and getting your hazardous materials or greenhouses gasses on private property would be cause for legal action, unfortunately we usually keep the air and the environment public, which is socialist.
-"If I do all the labor why are you entitled to all the profit."
Can't argue there, he isn't, this is what the Chinese are realizing.

>>133070257

OSHA was formed under Nixon. Unions are a cancer and "worker's ""rights"""" is commie speak.

there certainly should be protections for any kind of worker, whether garbage man, miner or computer engineer. how that is somehow "socialist activism" baffles my booty bottoms.

>>133066801
lol

>>133066801
Fuccccck

>>133070602
Yeah, but your life is worth significantly less than the business owner's investment.

Consider for a moment working at McDonalds. Somewhere in the region of $3 million USD went into the construction and maintenance of the building, franchise license, equipment and employees.

Your life is worth significantly less than that investment, and society rewards the business owner that can brave those incredible starting costs to get his business off the ground.

>>133072287
This is a great arguement, until Tyrone or Muhammed stabs you in the throat and you have to bleed out while watching your daughter get gangraped.

Societal cohesion exists so that you can't take whats mine when Im not looking, because my neighbor likes me more than he likes you.

>>133070781
>that's what worker's comp is for. Idiot
this wouldn't exist without socialism in the first place


Idiot

>>133065836
>Well?

Well then get out of his factory and go make your own tea cups. Get your own machine in your own workshop and get your own materials and develop your own skills and then pay the utilities for the factory and make the teacups then forge business contracts with stores and buy the trucks to transport the teacups and pay the gasoline and do all the government paperwork for all of it.

>>133074089
Honestly the only issue i have is the proportional amount of money.
I really have zero issue with people making money, you invested and took the risk, you deserve it.
However I've been in some tough jobs.
I worked as a tier II technician on a shitty weekend shift for DELL computer repair.
At first I thought the job was worth it, within two months I realized I was being severely underpaid. I was pushing out twice as many computers as my counterparts on average making the company thousands of dollars per day. While getting proportionally like a hundred dollars.
Just fuck me, they need to bring back bonuses. The more you making the company money the more your pay goes up. Let the dead beats fall to less than minimum wage.

>>133073284
+Respect for quality post

>>133073091
>why does everyone in this cunt of a board think feminism started women working?
my take on this is that no one here thinks anything. our hands are just typing words to elicit a reaction.

>>133065836
If you're so good at doing labor, why don't you do the entire process of making tea yourself. You know, without the machines? Someone will definitely replace you, so we will see who comes out on top.

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>>133065836
because he doesn't own the factory and didn't get the job.

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>>133068125
here u go brah

>>133074890
I like it, thanks senpai

my take from all this is just kids are scared of work

>You will work for me, or starve to death.
And what, pray tell, is your alternative?

Do the same for the government? Revert to sustenance farming?

The most likely answer is "support a massive welfare state, so you can do the hard work while I jerk off."

>>133073949
>privilege

You're such a faggot it hurts. I joined the Army out of highschool and killed sand-niggers for four years until I earned enough to start a business that now grosses 30k a year. That side income is mine, and I eanrned that shit.

Nobody gave me a business. I made it from nothing.

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>>133071823
fucking perfection

>>133073240

ebin

>>133074487
You don't tell these insights to Muhameds or Tyrones in the first place.

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>>133065836
>Leaf
Nice b8 but understanding economics is something leafs seem to be mentally deficient in.

>>133066756
t. man who hates that he chose a shitty life path.

it's easy to find a monkey to press a button on a plastic molding machine and stack boxes on pallets so they aren't worth anything

>>133075244
They don't need to know much to know that honkies got money and white daughters.

"Might is right" is a nigger tier philosophical concept.

>>133075271
>brake

>>133068407
What is "dilation"?

>>133066801
damn not again

>>133066383
That's why business owners have to get mandatory accidental insurance in case of an injury.

>>133075622
its a surgical dildo you keep in your fake girl cave to stop the wound from healing

>>133073091

>in this cunt of a board

It's actually more of an asshole you dumb bimbo.

>>133074177
because capitolists litterally don't give a shit about basic protections, thats why they dumped raw sewage into the drinking suply of london because it was cheaper than dumping it somewhere safe.

>>133075622
it's the process of literally shoving a dildo into a mentally ill person's axe wound to keep it from closing to heal like what god intended

>>133075768
no, too whiny to be an asshole.

>>133065836
A Leaf who probably voted for a faggot to lead his decadent country. Doesnnot understanding capitalism.

Why am I not surprised?

1) I own the business and pay you a fraction of a fraction because I can.

2) a business that requires me to take all the all risk. While I risk everything so I could gain most of the profit.

3)So why would I share it equally with someone who is mediocre and presses a button for 8 hours a day. There for 1) is justified.

>>133065836
Because he takes the risk of people stealing his shit

>>133075079
Your so retarded.

>>133066756
Machinist reporting in, pulling in 40 dollars an hour LITERALLY just for pushing buttons. Fuck yourself, fuck this gay generation and fuck this shit country.

Maybe get a useful skill other than bitching, moaning, and suckling from your parents' tits.

>>133075986
>I agree that the jews should be able to do whatever they want to me, after all, they have all the money and took all the risk, why should they have to share that power equally with people who might depose them?

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>>133070602
Keep you hands out of the bean grinder and you'll be fine.

>>133065836
Clearly you have never started a business. When you do and it does not fail then talk to me. Protip:you will not.

>>133076133
>Gay nazbols
What will /pol/ come up with next?

>>133065836
Christ, out of all the things you could criticize Capitalists for such as destabilizing currencies for profit, Wall Street types being able to amass an ungodly fortune through (((speculation))), and the disintegration of national identity by importing non-whites for lower labor costs, WHY are you perpetually hateful of the people you agree to work for make more money than you do?

>>133066801
asdasdasdAsadasdas