The beast 2.0

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https://www.motoroids.com/features/check-out-us-president-donald-trumps-new-cadillac-limousine/

>no archive

It's been delayed because of some last minute changes requested by the president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmpfrxpTvkY

>>133062164
And whoever drives that thing has to be able to pull J-turns with it.

What does that weigh, like 15,000lbs?

>>133062464
14k

What happens if you scan it with a QR reader?

>>133063057
Even if that's wet, you could get another 1000lbs of people in there easy.

Wow. Must be fun to practice getting hektic in that.

>>133062164
Looks like a bunch of birds shat on it.

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>>133062164
think it would be way cooler if they put a Chevy badge on the front instead of a Caddy one.

>>133062380
What the fuck is that thing? I've never seen this before

>>133063510
Trump should go baller and debadge it. Maybe that was one of the last-minute requests.

>>133063288
Dazzle camo. Makes it hard for Motortrend to take pics of the details of prototype cars.

t. Live by the Ford Proving Grounds and see these fuckers everywhere.

>>133063681
interesting thanks for sharing

>>133063284
Suspension is going to get a fucking workout though, that's like APC levels of weight

Oh.

Built (((Especially for Trump))) huh???

>>133063681
It worked better when cameras weren't as good. Now it just looks silly.

>>133063681
Ah, I thought it looked like the old ww1 dazzle camo, but I thought that would be retarded.

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>>133062164
Looks like a queer gay faggot car, real men drive pic related.

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Imagine how baller it would look it it had the Escala design language

>>133063681
They used to use that kind of camo on boats, right? Made it harder for subs to figure out how many boats and which way they where facing, iirc

>>133063770
Happy to help on a subject I know about.

Now, something something faggot.

>>133063779
Security variants of those cars have everything cranked to 11 to compensate for all the weight. They get like 4 MPG though

>>133063779
I assume it's got solid tires and heavy duty truck suspension. Looks like it's got a decent few inches of bounce travel as it is, but rly maeks you wonder if it has some kind of cartoonish amount of droop you can jump it without shattering all the windows.

>>133063681
this anon is right

>>133063836
True. It still messes with most phone cams pretty well.

>>133063845
The Big 3 got the idea from the WW! ships, if I was told correctly.

>>133063882
It made ranging the ship for attack harder. They did it WWII with the merchants and had a significant reduction in hull loses after.

>>133063990
Shatterproof windows. High tiers of bulletproof glass can take a fucking 40mm

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>>133062164

>>133063882

Screwed with the ranging optics which used a split field.

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>>133062164
Where are the poisoned taco launchers hidden on this model?

>>133062164
nifty paint job. If I scan it with my phone do i get free shit?

I'm confused what the design is supposed to do.

>>133063956
I'm not saying it can't be done, it's just...at what point would an actual APC be more viable?

>>133064025
Friend of mine used to buy old military and industrial vehicles and grabbed an armor plated jeep once -- like a regular consumer type one. Holy fuck was that thing hell to push out of the snow.

Not very good acceleration or fuel mileage.

>>133063681
It looks like it would help a camera autofocus like it's a test chart desu

>>133063825
No, it was meant for Hillary, but she lost...

>>133064078
It's also EMP shielded, fucking CBRN hardened (you can drive it through fallout), runflats, the trunk has a fridge that can be accessed in the cabin that contains 5 pints of the President's blood type, is built on a truck chasis renforced with military grade tanks steel and likely can survive a TOW hit (although that's above my paygrade).

>>133064078
>bulletproof glass can take a fucking 40mm

yeah that sounds about ridiculous. i can see .50 but you're telling me this thing can fend off AA??

>>133064285
I've thought about doing the El cheapo version of this by adding some AR500 plates to the side panels and behind the drivers seat of my tacoma, you know, for reasons

>>133064280
They are obviously more viable, but it's about the demand. Primary market is third world dictators and foreign dignitaries.

>>133063188
kek

looks like some DARPA shit

>>133064515
They one of these cars on futureweapons years ago, the glass warped in like a foot like a cannon hitting something in a cartoon, but it didn't shatter.

>>133064544
Well if yo do then don't take off the tow hooks. Jesus. Three guys pushing with one at the wheel and we could only tug it gently because there was no way to hook to an A-arm or something without bashing up the fascia so we had to use the front antiroll bar.

OH AND GJ USING OPEN DIFFS FRONT AND BACK THAT REALLY HELPS

>>133062164

I dont trust it. Engineers always trying to fix stuff that isnt broken to justify their pay.

Why do we suddenly need a new one. Why is it we need some new design now that Trump is president.

I dont trust it.

the thing has torque
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcKXP3lkmJw

>>133064285
>I've thought about doing the El cheapo version of this by adding some AR500 plates to the side panels and behind the drivers seat of my tacoma, you know, for reasons
you wanna armor up a pickup you really need something with a diesel, or a diesel suv like an expedition would be ideal for something like that

>>133064735
You saying they are going to Deathstar Trump?

>>133064845
err diesel 4x4 excursion, not expedition, though youll be able to get a diesel expedition soon enough

>>133064735
>Why do we suddenly need a new one
Upgraded threats/capability and lower operating costs. Older specialty vehicles like these becomes more expensive to maintain than to develop and buy new ones as most of their parts are bespoke and made in limited batches. Once inventory starts running low, they either have to restart production for a handful of parts (not worth it), or find a replacement part from secure channels (also not worth it).

>>133064930
>because niggers smell

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>>133062164
But does it turn? That is the question.

>>133064444
I've done emp hardening on helicopters, that shit's a pain in the fucking dick

>>133064710
Nah man, nothing that extreme, more like the plates they sell for personal body armor so like 16lbs per panel. I don't have the cash to upgrade everything else but I'm certain the stock suspension can handle that with minor changes in handling characteristics.

>>133064831
and its fake

>>133065079
Nothing wrong with reasons :D

>>133064969
Bush smelled a bit too. Obama had to get the old white stank out, so he commissioned a new one.

It's also a good marketing tool for the American motor industry. GM, Ford, and Chrysler bid on contracts to build a new Presidential limo every 8 years or so. They plug in their product's design language to shill for their luxury brands and make their logo as obnoxiously large as possible.

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>>133063846

Odds that Trump will break up government motors bringing an auto renewal not seen since the mid 60's?
I'm tired of GM making garbage, let the true geniuses work unrestricted again

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>>133064693

I think I found a picture from the experiment.

>>133065167
I mean, you just never know right?

>>133063846
>3 wheels on a 4 side car
What could possibly go wrong

>>133063990
It's not just a truck suspension, it's an actual truck frame and all...custom hand built body, sitting on a 3500 frame, identical to 'The Beast', Obummers ride the last 8 odd years...

>>133064311
It breaks up the details/outline of parts of the car so it's harder to visually understand what it looks like.

The human eye just sees noise. It's a car shape, but you can't discern the lines and curves that make it more distinct and set it apart from other cars.

>>133062380
It's his "fuck you I am money" car

>>133062164
looks gay, like drumpf

>>133065297
Yeah but sports cars also have all fancy frills and eye catching lines and shit. This is obviously the presidential limo. Nobody cares if it has a new spoiler and fog lights for this year's model.

It's not like they're hiding the ICBMs or something.

>>133065457
It matters when you can charge $10,000 for re-applying the paint job every time it gets dirty or whatever.

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>>133062164
This is what the pattern looks like when you get closer

>>133065279
>Obummers ride the last 8 odd years...

You can't, I mean you just can't get out the permanent odor of Afro sheen, undo the damage from streaks of KFC grease, and still find every single watermelon seed if you run it through another backscatter x-ray and contract out to DARPA for any possible solutions.

You really just have to start over.

>>133065059
I've just faraday caged some solid state electronics (my vacuum tube radios are EMP hardened by the nature of vacuum tubes) but I cannot imagine having to shield an entire helo. Yuck.

>>133062164
WHAT THE FUCK ISTHAT VEHICLE COVERED IN? SO UNPLEASANT TO LOOK AT.

>>133065666
Nigger-repellent camo.

>>133065666
>>133063681

>>133065279
its actually a 6500 kodiak frame

>>133065194
It's actually even more cucky than a Reliant Robin, these were government issue disabled people cars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invacar

>>133065634
I mean I get it, Obama was a turbo-nigger, but I think we can all agree fried chicken is pretty fucking awesome

>>133063836
film > digital

>>133065804
My grandma's fried chicken was to die for. KFC is a bucket of grease sponges.

The Colonel's secret recipe was for how to kill niggers.

>>133065804
And also, how the fuck is America to project its dick if our leader is riding around in a 10 year old truck?

>Park a 2008 Limo at a NATO Summit
>Next to Merkle's 2017 Mercedes

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>>133065804

Hey that's racist. Also, depends on how you cook yardbird. Some places it's downright disgusting.

>>133064193
The paint job is supposed to make it more difficult for onlookers to discern the shape of the vehicle

>>133065882
Digital can do some amazing things, but it just never gets as feely as good film. I'll always regret not winning the lottery to take the photography alternative in high school.

>>133064280
It's already more viable, It's just not good optics for the leader of your country to be cruising around in a military vehicle. Something more subtle and professional is better looking. Same reason why the USSS dresses in suits with concealed weapons instead of the president always being surrounded by armed soldiers.

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>>133066075
The only way to consume fried foods is to fry it yourself. Also weisswurst is fucking delicious my natsoc friend.

>>133066043
>how the fuck is America to project its dick
Speak softly, and carry a big stick. We need to upgrade as technology allows, not for public opinion.

>>133065781
I think I saw one of those on American Pickers.

Thanks for the read.

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>>133062164
YEARS BEHIND op

shame on you peddling this as new to 2017

>>133068355
his link is a pajeet site too

>>133065765
Really? Probably knew that, but forgot...I do know that it isn't a 'car', or 'limo' in any sense...far more truck than car...
Thanks for the correction...

>>133070617
The 6500 Kodiak frame ended in 2009, but of course if that's what it is then they could easily make some one-offs.

I drove one for several thousands miles and was very impressed at how it handled. I literally thought I was going to die a few times, didn't even have time to pray for my life but only think my only resort would be to pretend it was a race car, and each time it just took it in stride.

I was very impressed, and that was a bigass fixed-length truck, not a custom presidential limo.

>>133064544
I've seen somewhere a company that makes like large sheets of Kevlar, like towel sized. Dunno if they are still around, but that might be a good idea to up armor something

>>133072825
Correction. Apparently lots of defense companies do. Not uncommon for it to be sold by the yard

Shop around.

>>133063836

It's only supposed to hide the lines, which is smart for a new make of a consumer car but doesn't really make sense for Cadillac

>>133066165
pretty sure its a wrap. i live in detroit and see these all the time

>>133073692

*First Cadillac

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>>133063510
>>133063574

Either way he's still riding in an bailout-babby Government Motors car.

pic related would be more suitable

>>133073840
Fuck off Matthew McConaughey

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>>133074149
Perhaps this instead?

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>>133062164
>not a #fuckwhitepeople decal
Just

>>133073238
yeah it's actually really easy to come across and anybody with any experience working with composites could uparmor a vehicle just comes down to time, materials, how many layers you can pack in there, doing the glass, sealing etc
that's where the cost of a professionally uparmored truck comes into play, a lot of man hours to take it apart, engineer the shapes of the panels with minimum interference to the stock systems, providing as much 360 degree protection as possible, testing etc
the factory uparmored mercedes are actually some of the best deals going, for basic executive protection
>>133070955
yup the kodiak/topkick/h-body were absolute beasts, with a cost is no object presidential model and now 8 years development i imagine the "cadillac-one" is extremely capable.
i am kind of curious what they did for the frame this time, probably just made a run of full on custom ones based on the topkick geometry and drivelines, since it is so far from stock to begin with, if they didn't have a pile of frames laying around somewhere
>>133073840
I wish it was a Ford, too, but GM does have more experience with this specific kind of project, and has current projects going like military CUCV programs, incl. the 3/4ton armored suburban with duramax that shares a few parts
Would rather see it done as a Navistar/Ford program, but GM has the expertise, and has had the contract for the new one since the middle of O'Bammy bailing out GM

>>133077208
>i am kind of curious what they did for the frame this time
The one I drove was like a cheap wooden house on a frame. But that pic looks like some fucking bigass fucking pillars like I'd never expect on a monocoque with a low roll center.

Whether it has a 16L turbodiesel or a 12cyl screaming gas job, if the gearing and transmission is matched I have no doubt you could hoon the fuck out of it and nobody would get too hurt if you had to roll it into a ditch to avoid further fire.

>>133064986
It's a Cadillac not an Audi. Seriously handling is only thing Cadillac is good at while Audis litteraly can't turn unless it's a rebadged Lamborghini or VW.

>>133078061
we know for the old one the body is 5-8" thick armor on every point and fully sealed, i imagine that makes for a pretty stiff body and allows them a lot of leeway with how they mount it to the frame
also that it was based on the 4wd 6500 frame and running gear, and that the engine is some sort of Duramax diesel, i would assume the v8 but I know they call the big isuzu 6 duramax as well
also they ended up giving it some sort of additional hydraulic lift capability when obama got high-centered in israel, so i wouldn't be surprised if the new one added more adjustment to lifting suspension and body height, and did something like running portal axles to get some more ground clearance without making it look more like a full blown APC, which it is already way safer than most, probably also to allow a more V-shaped undercarriage

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>>133065634
>streaks of KFC grease
but those are from trump

>>133062164
whats with the goofy ass paintjob? is that supposed to make it not stand out because it does the opposite :P

>>133063681
but uhhhh it doesnt hide anything at all? wtf is it supposed to do to a camera because it doesnt appear to be doing anything.

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>>133079313
Car companies do this on all prototype cars. Hides all the fine details. All you can really see is the basic shape of the car. This way when they finally reveal the car the media hasn't known what it will look like.

>>133079053
I would definitely want to put something on there to avoid getting high-centered if there were nothing around to drag me out or if it looked bad.

But but 6500 topkick I drove had I want to say a 6.8 duramamax v8, but apparently wikipedia says it was a 6.6 duramax. Whatever It was actually very well suited to cruising as long as you were willing to understand that it's a truck and it has to work sometimes when you're laden or at altitude.

For a presidential vehicle, it must be something different. Maybe a boosted to fuck version. Maybe something that sounds more like that op gear gas engine linked earlier. But definitely no standard duramax.

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>>133064930
>>Why do we suddenly need a new one
Suspensions blow out after use, same thing with armored cars. Dont know why or if that is a whole new vehicle though, could just be new suspension or frame for all we know and the rest the same.

>>133079475
yeah the duramax v8 is a pretty beastly motor, and can easily put out 2-300% as much power as it had in the medium duty truck, obviously it'd get 33-50% as much life at that power level, but the presidential model probably has a much more expensive than standard engine, they can afford to change them earlier, and they don't see that many miles to begin with

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>>133079454
that just sounds retarded, besides wouldnt the media not care about an unofficial car since the model may get scrapped? Who in the mainstream normie public even cares this much besides niche auto enthusiasts?

Seems like a waste of time but those swirls are pretty badass I gotta say. Pisses me off they dont sell it with that paint job.

>>133079766
They probably don't want too much power. It needs to be 100% reliable. When you start boosting the fuck out of an engine it will just overheat or blow something. Race engines make a ton of power but have very short lifespans.

The President's car needs to be quick, but not crazy fast. He has escorts that will protect him. If you outrun your escort what is the point? Then you are alone and vulnerable.

>>133062164
GM is GOAT

>>133062164
can this thing run over dindus like nobodies business?

>>133063825
Cadillac will make them armored. Special GM designing for Presidential vehicles

Needs an 05-08 era Chrysler 300.

>>133079919
But pres cars don't have to do that for very long. Overbuild one of those and it would probably last for long enough for backup to arrive under emergency boost.

I was pretty impressed with mine even having the opportunity to feel how it gave out under heat and altitude without flicking an eye or a dial.

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>>133079919
what if the escort is the enemy though? besides why cant they build into the vehicle a type of mini jet that can eject from the car flying to safety?

>>133062164
>The GM contract was supposed to end months ago but (typical GM) it is still under development

Contractors know they can work at snail pace and make a 2 year project take 6 years and the government will keep handing over the plebs hard earned cash.

>duramax

thats not good. better throw a cummins in there

>>133080221
Because real life isn't a batman movie.

>>133079919
not exactly the same with diesel engines, especially if they're equipping them with higher dollar over production parts. it's just a matter of how hard it is run and how many miles. they know exactly what it can and cant take, and it is likely tuned to a nice safe power level with the ability to crank it up if needed, it's simple stuff these days.

>>133080295
thats what i think to be honest bro

But you look at that op gear video and you wonder if it's just a stunt to make it sound like a girdled V16 until you're hooning it, or whether they might actually have found a way to stick a cummins in there and nobody noticed.

>>133080298
>Because real life isn't a batman movie.
why do you hate the idea of a flying mini jet? we have them already. Just build a car around it and problem solved.

Then we get a jet inside a car that can eject and fly away.

>>133080431
thats a video game

>>133073840
GM still paid all that money back within 60 days. Ford is shit.

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>>133062164

>beast 2.0
>American Engineering


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BvABn7L_So

topkek

>>133079393
>>133079528
Film cameras couldn't handle it.

>>133080599
I don't know what if anything >>133064831 this is but it looks better than most video games and I've been bored with the 3rd kind since before ray tracing.

I wouldn't be surprised by a dub, but the color of the exhaust makes you think.

>>133080618
lel yurobumps

>>133079822
they give them the camo when they're late stage prototypes and they want to take them out on the test track or drive them around town to get some real world miles on them so they can look/listen for issues
they use the camo to help hide the lines so they can try to surprise people at their official unveiling
as for niche, since the C7 vette came out they've sold over 100,000 of them so there's obviously some people interested in them

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>>133080972

>yurobumps

Yeah, Armored BMW 7 had no problem with it. American cars couldn't! Sad!

>>133081108
That's because if you want a wheelbase like that then you need wheel travel.

Let me know if the "beast" met the standards for being a "light truck"
>moar like nigger stancemobile

>>133063416

I love have chrysler shamelessly ripped Merc Benz for that design

>>133063416

I love that chrysler shamelessly ripped Merc Benz for that design

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>>133081263

>chrysler

lol It is Cadillac

>>133080973
>as for niche, since the C7 vette came out they've sold over 100,000 of them so there's obviously some people interested in them
yea but I mean they bought the final product there is no evidence they were all a bunch of keyboard warriors or our parents are for buying a new range rover...

If they cared so much about camo and all this BS why wouldnt they just build an indoor track?

>>133081263
>>133081287
you realize chrysler and mercedes merged worked together for a while

>>133081428
probably because build a couples miles worth of indoor track would be a pain in the ass
they also want to be able to drive the car around in rain and snow and in less than perfect weather on less than perfect roads to really get a feel for the car and try to find problems

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>>133081108
There isn't enough space to hold even half of the armageddon equipment that goes into the POTUS mobile.

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>>133081658
Why would they need to be indoor?

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>>133081658
>they also want to be able to drive the car around in rain and snow and in less than perfect weather on less than perfect roads to really get a feel for the car and try to find problems
you gotta be trolling me.
Are you telling me they sit and wait for it to rain and snow to test the car? what if it doesnt snow that year then what?

They could easily build an indoor loop and just set off the sprinklers by lighting a match under them to simulate rain and for snow could just buy a snow machine, Japan has whole indoor mountains and your telling me they cant build an interior track?

>>133081857
they wouldn't, the guy i replied to suggested they build a track inside
try and follow the conversation

>>133081857
>Why would they need to be indoor?
so the public doesnt see their car their testing hence the retardo paint job they think fools people into thinking their seeing unicorns or something. Their not fooling anyone is my point and their half assing it by not using an indoor track which is the only logical solution.

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>>133081491
>you realize chrysler and mercedes merged worked together for a while

No, They broke up in 2007. Italian, Fiat bought Chrysler and became Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA).

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>>133081986
What if they want to create excitement by showing off while also testing it out under realistic circumstances?

>>133082070
>What if they want to create excitement by showing off while also testing it out under realistic circumstances?
They should paint skulls or maybe flames on the car like CS GO skins, that would be hella badass.

>>133081906
>posts ugly gook
>being dense
one of GM's main testing grounds is just outside Detroit so its a safe bed they'll get some rain and snow during the winter

>>133082011
>for a while

>>133082178
I think this >>133065630 was well thought out.

>>133082192

>for a while
>chrysler shamelessly ripped Merc Benz for that design

10 years? lol

>>133062164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eijq6fvppOI

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>>133082192
>one of GM's main testing grounds is just outside Detroit so its a safe bed they'll get some rain and snow during the winter
Its idiotic to think that they sit on product designs like you say waiting for snow when an indoor snow machine and sprinkler system that could be set off easily is far more efficient which is a fact. Your claming that oh the design is so secret we need to make the car look retarded as if cameras cant take pics because oh no our designs. All that trouble and their too lazy to build an indoor track? it just makes no sense. Even better they should just build an underground test bed above bedrock for stability just like we do to test nukes. This isnt rocket science people we been doing this for almost a hundy years already.

>>133082298
That was a goodun! >>133065630

>>133082479
Yeah but what are people going to think when they take it out to where the industry is going to take pictures?

Please keep up. It's not like they're trying to hide anything.

>>133082601
>Please keep up. It's not like they're trying to hide anything.
i thought the whole point of making it look like a clown car was how others said to hide its lines and other BS? I think in their heads they think their hiding it.

>>133082729
In whose head's?

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>>133062164
If that's its paint job, it'll induce seizures in epileptics.

Excellent.

>>133082938
the engineers heads, i dont think their fooling anyone making their cars look goofy with those paintjobs, if they really wanted to hide the lines on the car why not cover it in feathers? Be pretty easy to dump tar on the car and just dump a pile of feathers on it. That is what they used to do in america to people all the time, a car would be no different.

>>133083184
nope just not ready to be revealed

>>133083190
What car do you own please?

I'll tell you about one or more of the cars I've owned. This sounds toxic.

>>133079053
One of the Beast prototypes had mentioned a Gasoline v8 and there is a video of one where it clearly sounded like a Gas V8 (Big Block Chevy) and the inauguration cars at idle sounded like a Diesel. I think there is a Diesel and a Gas version of the current Beast.

>>133083464
I dont own a car atm.... I go to work and back, when needed to respond I go get a car all covered which is nice even if I quit like I did :P

No need own a car here since I live in a city and never leave really, barely ever leave the room I am in and when do its off to the lab! then back again.

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>>133062464
>pull J-turns with it
>J-turn

It's called a "Rockford turnaround"

>>133083794
That's too bad. I live in a city and I walk to work. It's great, and I feel bad for the stagnation of what the guys in the lab put up.

But sometimes I take my car out and really all I wish is it was some dumpy old mechanical thing with more of a direct connection to reality.

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>>133083998
>here comes the j-turn master

>>133063906
>Driving a Dodge.

>>133084049
>I live in a city and I walk to work.
I walk sometimes its nice, its one long stretch so no biggie.

>But sometimes I take my car out and really all I wish is it was some dumpy old mechanical thing with more of a direct connection to reality.
I only need a car to get somewhere and needed it to work and get me there so always had new cars, never cared much for luxury or any of that since dont have that option, it was more to get me where I need to be.

Labs are work, someones gotta do it :P What do they put up with there it sounds bad? Where I go its just go in and do the job or go somewhere else and do it until its done :P

>>133084238
I don't care. All you people are dumb as shit anyway.

That's why I bought a little care to tear it up in my free time.

>>133084325
welcome to the internets :D

>>133084166
pretty sure we could comfortably say at least the five elephants nearest the earth could survive as long as they dodged the other couple thousand re-enteting the earth's atmosphere at high velocity.

>>133084703
Ever been near a pack of elephants or a have one front at you?

Like most wild animals they don't go nuts at you if you're not being a pervasive threat most of the time, but holy shit.

>>133083709
the inauguration car was still the old one, and was definitely a duramax
the new one appears to be diesel as well, apparently they did a fleet of 12 identical cars this time

The old DTS beast that Bush and Obama used is definitely a gas powered vehicle. I think armor technology has improved to the point where you can make a vehicle look more like a Cadillac and still provide that protection needed for the POTUS.

Then again, GM is working on a new Medium Duty truck with Navistar for Class 4/5, but Navistar has heavy duty chassis that could work for this vehicle as well. I do think that GM is probably using a Kodiak chassis for this thing as it is mostly a one off vehicle with a small production run.

>>133063188
It launches the nuclear codes,

>>133079053
Seems stiff indeed. I hope they got the ground clearance, training, and route planning figured out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6afMI3EJL4

All that tech and it could be completely rekt by a single guy with an RPG.

What's the point?

>>133073840
Ford received a bailout of 9.6 billions in 2007 and another 5.8 in 2009 and never paid back. But I am sure you know that already :^)

>>133073840
Was driving a Lincoln a part of your plan?

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>>133065630
Underrated

>>133080618
>A fucking ramp

>>133062380
God damn, that's one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

>>133082405
They still have research agreements that they have to adhere to, retard.

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i really want to be a test driver.

>>133063188
no tis to help with 3d scanning & motion tracking