Minimum Wage and Automation

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>>133032003
>Should it be raised?
Probably not.

>Abolished?
Definitely not.

>State by state?
Absolutely yes.

>Will it hasten automation?
That will develop independently of minimum wage issues.

>Will low skill workers have 0 opportunities in a couple of decades?
They will have increasingly fewer opportunities, but I think 0 within 20 years is a bit ambitious of an estimate..

>>133032003
It's economics. It will have positive and negative consequences.
>Positive
More purchasing power will grow the economy
People will use less on public programs like welfare (look up the welfare loop WalMart has created
Poverty is postively correlated with crime so less poverty will reduce crime
>Negatives
Higher unemployment rate
Higher investment in automation (which is happening regardless)
Lower corporate profits

I personally agree with pegging the minimum wage with inflation but there are good and bad things about it

>>133032003
Not even state by state, but city by city even. Live in urban NC a $725 minimum is not enough to support even one person in the city. Lived in rural NC 4 yrs ago and it was definitely feasible.

>>133032531
>>Should it be raised?
>Probably not
Why though? Don't most economists agree that it should be increased?

>>133033141
>725
oops. 7.25

>>133032003
Theres no point addressig the minimum wage issue until we tackle illegal immigration destroying the value of labor.

the minimum wage shouldn't be forcibly raised... it actually hurts many low income workers.... supply and demand curves anons... also, if u really want to raise it, get rid of the illegals. Don't give me the shit that they do jobs no one else wants to do... starve a man enough and he will do any shit for food

>>133032003
>raise it to 15/hr
>companies fire people + speed up automation
>leftists think this is a good idea
Fucking retards.
The technocrats are pushing this just as an excuse to automate faster. Look at what Soros is doing.

>>133033230
Why can't the two issues can both be worked on simultaneously?

>>133032531
What's the name of that tranny?

For research purposes.

Learn a skill/trade that cannot be replaced , union electrofag here 45$ a hour plus bennies

>>133034095
Unions are what are really killing us. You're all over-paid self-righteous assholes who think 16 weeks of school should qualify you to make the same wages as a fucking doctor

>>133033935
Because it has been years and we haven't fixed either of them and half of Americans (the left) think we can raise the minimum wage without addressing illegal immigration. Moreover, addressing the illegal immigration issue would help make solving the minimum wage issue easier because it's one of the biggest reasons labor is so devalued as it is.

>>133032003
As a machine operator, let me tell you something about robots. They're fucking retarded. Every part that moves through the operations to get cut and burned a certain way is picked up by a robot when the part hits the sensor. If a sensor is fucked up, the robot won't pick it up, which causes the line to back up and fuck with other robots and machines. Speaking of machines, they need constant maintenence. New coils for induction hardening, new inserts to cut metal parts when they wear out, oil, changed over to run new parts, and offsets need to be made to keep the part sizes within tolerance. Chips get built up inside the machines, which wil cause the robot to not set the parts down correctly and cause them to crash. Machining jobs are not going anywhere anytime soon because of automation. If anything, it's bringing in more jobs to counter the fuck ups.

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>>133032003
oh noes their unemployment rate might fall to 3% as well

>>133032003
>already know raising minimum wage was a disaster for workers in Seattle
>still doing it
lol liberals

>>133034404
#1 your a moron #2 i did 5 years of scool/ apprenticeship #3 im building America while u flip burgers

>>133034404
it's true, unions are a scam, but u mad bro

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>>133034688
You don't need a genius robot to roll over to a table to deliver burgers. My fucking lawnmower mows my lawn and parks itself without me doing a damn thing.

>>133034861
Wait, it takes 5 years to become an electrician?

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>>133034852
Corporate shills think low unemployment, high wages and a booming economy are a bad thing. No wonder all those rural shitholes are dying. Seattle is booming.


I can't imagine how much of a retard you have to be to think that 2.5% unemployment is bad. Wow. Or maybe just a corporate shill.

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=seattle

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>>133032577
>Poverty is postively correlated with crime so less poverty will reduce crime
hmmmm, about that, there might be some other factors involved

>>133035250
Union electricians 5 years apprenticeship , unlike non union scabs that fuck everything up and we come in and fix their shit work

>>133035498
Interesting. What do you make yearly?

I think the minimum wage should be $30/hour

>>133035498
The overall work ethic of unions speaks against you. We avoid Union labor at all costs on jobs. You're over priced, you work slow, take too many breaks, and do shit work.

I've worked with tons of unions, have had a poor experience with all of them

t. Power Boiler Construction Manager

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So is the 12 dollars for all ages? That's quite a lot for a 16 year old.
This is how we do it

>>133036071

me too, i think the minimum wage should be so high it forces people to completely overhaul their business model

It raises the question of what will we do for income once automation fully takes over? For example when we have machines that can plaster and decorate walls and build homes, or machines that can run a distribution warehouse or a factory? What then? Medbots and surgery bots and police bots and shit like that?

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>>133035498

>>133035989
100-200k depending on how much ot and traveling i wanna do , and right now in the US there is more work than ive ever seen .. GO TRUMP

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>>133036572
Thanks Obama

>>133036572
>200k

My ass. Maybe if you do 80 hours a week all year.

>>133032003
This is going to end up turning LA into a shithole lol

Wonderful,

>>133036195
15 min paid break 30 min unpaid , and im worth my rate scab

>>133034688
Too bad the fucking Germans and Austrians have us thoroughly beaten when it comes to machining very specialized precision parts. I work with high end scientific equipment (facility cost rightly 1 billion dollars) and I cannot think of a single thing I use at work that isn't made in Germany or Austria except for a steel step ladder from the 70s that was made in Pittsburgh. Why is this the case?

>>133036343
The lower classes undergo demographic collapse, the uppers live better lives than ever, advancing us as a species. Evolution doesn't happen without leaving someone behind

>>133036828
Learn how to use the term scab. I'm not general labor retard nor am I direct competition for general union labor.

You larping as someone with a job?

>>133036764
some jobs give u 100$ a day per diem...

>>133035384
Not controlled for population density and probably a host of other variables. Fake news.

>>133037010
sorry i meant RAT

>>133032003
abolished
having a minimum wage implies there is no work thats worth less than that, and it also patronizes literally everybody by outlawing a grown adults decision to sign up for a low pay job whatever his reason for doing so is

>>133036343
The goal is full automation of all manual labor and we'll all be able to do what we want all the time. In reality,we'll all live in a technocratic hellhole .
>driverless cars track you everywhere
>constant surveillance state
>no means to defend yourself
>everyone concentrated in cities
>400 sq ft coffin "homes" for everyone
>control the schools
>control the media
This is all planned out in Agenda 21-type papers.
Ever wonder why all the cities are leftwing?

>>133032003

No more Fed, no more fiat dollar, no more immigrants.

Then a minimum wage isn't necessary and everyone will do fine.

The biggest problem is importation of labor and goods. Otherwise increasing the minimum wage, up until a certain point, should be a net benefit.

P.S please try to ignore Obamaleaf, he showed up in this thread and the special ed student will keep showing up until you stop paying so much attention to his retardation. Look, but don't comment.

>>133036689
Ya thanks for all those part-time jobs lmao!! You really have no clue..

>>133037386

but isnt the alternative techno-utopia possible instead?

>>133037159

If you're living out of your car but travelling and you need a place to sleep.
You might make 200k but you're living 2 lives.
Waste of time.

>>133037176
It is, but you're fake news

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>>133037658
Obama job creation was 95% full time. You morons should try actually pulling up the jobs data rather than falling for fake news headlines from ZeroBrain, Infotards and investors.com

>>133034404
>same wages as a fucking doctor

Get a load of this retard.

>>133037240
Much better.

>>133037823
The per diem more than covers living expenses when traveling, and most jobs today worth a shit make u travel.. the economy is changing u cant stay put forever get used to it

>>133032003
The sooner we automate away all liberal jobs, the better.

>>133033230
Don't forget the increasingly devalued dollar. Minimum wage increases are temporary band-aids when the dollar is becoming worthless.

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>>133038366

lmao what the fuck is considered a "liberal job"? Is anything that starts off at the bottom a liberal job to you? There are a ton of skill-based and manual labor jobs that start off near or at the bottom, minimum wage is the floor that is supposed prevents employers from exploiting and underpaying workers.

>>133032577
>Lower corporate profits
This statement pisses me off (not you, don't worry) because corporations don't need insane levels of profit. Yes a business has a right to do as well as it can WITHIN REASON. But they managed to worm their way into the idea that if they are stymied one iota in making a profit, that it's communism and the worst thing since the Holocaust. They have so much control, though, that they get to hike prices and fuck over the whole system just so they can maintain those profits that benefit absolutely no one else.

>>133034404
Unionized workers themselves aren't a big issue, because at lease they aren't useless eaters. The union bosses and such however have become nothing but useless eaters, that no longer even do much in terms o protecting workers, and the wage increases are often dwarfed by the union fees, they're hardly more than additional bureaucrats handing out more useless "official" approved stamps and getting a shittone of money for it, which in the end comes out of the laborer's pockets.

>>133038320

NY, San Fran and I think Boston are close to $50/hr.
Anywhere else and you're making ~$30-35/hr.
Prove me wrong.

>>133038741
northern VA 45$ a hour plus bennies

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Don't you love it when jews get called out on their hypocrisy?
>white nationalism is evil!!!! we need a brown horde to wipe out whiteness
>ya! and we need to end jewish supremacy ,too!!
>WOAH,WOAH ,WOAH THAT'S DIFFERENT!
Country for me ,but not for thee! Leftists are a disease.

>>133038605
>what the fuck is considered a "liberal job"?
Bar tenders, waiters, cashiers, etc etc.
You know, shitty easy jobs that will be the first to be automated away. The jobs most liberals flock to when going to college for their degree in womyn studies. The jobs liberals are whining don't pay enough when they're not supposed to in the first place.

>>133038968

As a spark? Which Local?

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>>133033187
Do you have autism?

>>133032003
>raise min wage
>deport all the illegals

this would be a nice double whammy, Trump needs to focus ICE on California

>>133036994
Because when Pittsburgh focused on steel until the 80s, there was no better steel in the world. China imported millions and millions of tons of steel from that town.

I think it should be raised.

Minimum wage use to be pegged at roughly 80% of the GDP per capita. It rose with inflation accordingly. Then it stopped. Minimum wage use to be a living wage - you weren't living in total comfort, but you could still live (meaning able to afford to recreate, own a home, car, etc). Now you can barely afford a shitty apartment on minimum wage working 40hrs/week - and most minimum wage earners are lucky to get anywhere NEAR 40hrs. Any car these people own is going to be a piece of shit. Health insurance is not an option (see: full-time vs. part-time), so medical expenses come out of pocket and are full price.

>>133039079
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>>133038605
>lmao what the fuck is considered a "liberal job"?

See pic.

>>133038728

This, I have worked for a union and while the people on the field work their asses off, people on the corporate side rarely do anything and are simply there to fill a role that does nothing.

After working 10ish years or so we make about $50/hr, but you have to remember that work isn't always constant with jobs, especially if you're into labor.

>>133039048

I think your image of what qualifies as a "liberal job" is ridiculously skewed. Pretty much all of my friends out of high school started out bussing tables or some menial line of work to start their working life, no one stays in a position like that for longer than a year or two at most. If people want to be retarded and burn their post-years of schooling on something they could learn in their free time then let them waste their money, but don't go shutting the door on young kids looking for an entry-level job that helps pay for school

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>>133034688
>If anything, it's bringing in more jobs to counter the fuck ups.

Except we are already in a phase where we don't require everyones labour to produce food and energy for everyone

US hasn't had had this low employment participation rate since the fucking 1970's

My country has over 30% unemployment in adults, and thats only counting the whites!

You're in a fucking fantasy land

>>133039509

What is this chart meant to portray? There's no source on it and all it has is an arbitrary "Trump Clinton" line with wages and dates.

>>133032577
>Lower corporate profits
Higher corporate profits because little business will put out of profit. They pretend they're helping the man, but instead they're stopping him from achieving the American dream. They're kicking away the ladder.

>>133039893
Maybe you should spend less time here and find a higher paying job? We here are people working on automation you know...

>>133039391

Cove Point?

>>133039280
You will work for peanuts, goyim, or we'll get some spick to do it! :v)

>>133039946
I fucked up:
>Higher corporate profits because little business will put out of business. This leads to a more monopolistic economy, which means more money for the big corporations. They pretend they're helping the little man, but instead they're stopping him from achieving the American dream. They're kicking away the ladder.

>>133032003
It should be raised to $20, we should make business so mad that they implement automation as fast as possible.

>>133040095
nope that job blows everyone is quitting it

>>133040072

It's a sunday and I make enough to support a family of 3 and pay my mortgage on time. If you want to opt out of explaining yourself then I guess that explains enough for me.

>>133032003
Abolished.

Wages cannot logically be more than the utility of the labor. To increase the actual value of wages, you either need to reduce the amount of wage-labor available, or you need to increase the utility provided by wage laborers.

So, no matter how you raise the minimum wage, the actual number becomes arbitrary as businesses will adjust to this wage floor while the value of wages remains stagnant.

>But I want to increase the value of wages using the big dick of the government!
Then legally limit the amount of hours one worker can work in a week, raise the minimum working age, lower the retirement age, and restriction immigration for low end labor.

>I want to raise the value of wages without using the big dick of the government!
Then encourage family values that will drag women and the elderly out of the work force and life-work balances that will make workers unwilling to work more hours.

>>133032003
>Minimum wage
Minimum wage shouldn't exist, the markets should decide how much a given employee is worth.
>inb4 "muh living wage"
No one is entitled to anything, those who do not have skills valuable enough to keep themselves fed and sheltered should either get better skills or be left to rot; this also applies to automation, get a skill that is hard to automate.

>>133040329

What I heard.
Something else going on over there, government job, I keep thinking stadium but I'm wrong.

>>133039280
It will help people to live if they don't have a job?

How about asking what makes wages go up? After that ask why they are not going up now. Then we can stop chasing our tail and actually make sense of the situation.

>>133039946

This + all the unseen jobs that never got created because small businesses couldn't start or couldn't hire more people.

>>133040492
nope power house , contractor being a asshole so fuck em

>>133032577
>I personally agree with pegging the minimum wage with inflation but there are good and bad things about it
I fundamentally disagree with minimum wage, but this is would be the only realistic way to go about it.

>>133033187
Most actually don't. A slight raise in cost of living would be fine over inflation but this is not the same and results in business closure.

>>133040780

Not Kiewitt.

>>133040356
And this is why we need to cut welfare as well. We will destroy your kind.

>>133041120
hmm maybe been working ot so long havent been keepin up , maybe a nuke?

>>133039005
GEMMED

>>133041408

Idfk anymore. Working sucks.
Any job I've been on, sparkys are always working overtime, like the entire job, because they're always weeks behind.

>>133041820
no we are the best/smartest trade , good luck digging holes and cleaning up after me KEK

>>133042161
>digging holes and cleaning up after me

Sheeit, you plug in my pumps.

>>133042648
You work where i Sheeit

>>133033230
NAFTA is the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbzEHd49bpk

I've said it a few times on here but people don't want to listen. A wall isn't even needed once you get rid of the treaty so it doesn't make sense to do both.

Have we all just forgotten about these trade agreements? I haven't heard people talk about them at all.

How do you get into being an electrician? Do you have to join a union and suck a dick to get an apprenticeship?

>>133043145
join a union gets u in , sucking dick makes u a foreman

>>133042812

No?
What you think makes me think you're retarded.
Or black.
You might be one of those black sparks.
Work everywhere, feel special, pull wire.
Heat pumps, boiler pumps, freak drives, VAVs, AHUs...

>>133043425
listen plumberrr , i work spark magic ur kike ass has never seen before, keep my turds flushing and things wont get nasty

>>133043353
I don't want to be a foreman though, i just want to not be flipping burgers for the rest of my life.

>>133043837

Not a turd herder. Fitter.
Kike? In the trades? Lmao.

>>133032577
>More purchasing power will grow the economy
No, companies that are affected will just increase the price of their goods to pass the costs on, no effect on the economy.

>People will use less on public programs like welfare
How? You admit
>Higher unemployment rate
So you must realise that this will put some people out of business and their employees will be out of a job and on benefits. And benefits will have to increase because of the rise in price of goods.

>>133044180
thought u might be a project manager kek they are all jews

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people cheering for the increase
While it raises wages for criminal illegal aliens
As the state of CA keeps going in the hole financially

At some point, ALL American taxpayers will need to bail their crooked asses out, as they spent your money on beaners

>>133043874
u should try managing the berger flippers

>>133034798
>literally all the people who can no longer support a family or survive in seattle leave
lol

>>133032531
>independently
The tech is there for a lot of the process already. It's largely waiting to switch over once the profit margins are met. Right now it's not worth the up-front and maintenance costs to switch, especially considering potential risk.

I agree, it will happen eventually, but it can definitely speed up the process to screw with wages like this.

>>133044403

Fack no. I fix mistakes, not create them.
This last job I was on, supposedly a BIM job, everything was fucked up.
12'-6" floor to deck.
2-1-2" hot water main.
>Run it at 12'-0"
2" of insulation.
8" clevis hangers.
>clevis hanger like 13" top to bottom

Even with the pipe stuck to the deck its at 11-10.
Hang it with the clevises they wanted BOP 11-5.
>Its just a line on the drawing though.
Morons.

>>133045705
Whats the best trade to get into financially?

>>133034404

What doctor is making $45 an hour, fag?

>>133046329

Depends.
Operating Engineers make the most(big giant cranes you see).
Elevator constructors are good money.
You always hear about welders in demand because any monkey can be taught how to weld.
Electricians are decent if you're not a big guy.
Plumbers and HVAC always have work. Someone always needs a shitter fixed or their a/c or furnace "looked at."

Depends on what you can do or would rather do.
Electricians have the easiest job.
"Carpenters" drywallers have the shittiest after Laborers.

Fuck LA, let them suffer the same consequences as Seattle.

https://fee.org/articles/seattles-minimum-wage-has-been-a-disaster-as-the-citys-own-study-confirms/

And since you mimwage increase shills are too pussy to read the article, here are the fine points:

– The numbers of hours worked by low-wage workers fell by *3.5 million hours per quarter*. This was reflected both in thousands of job losses and reductions in hours worked by those who retained their jobs.

– The losses were so dramatic that this increase “reduced income paid to low-wage employees of single-location Seattle businesses by roughly $120 million on an annual basis.” On average, low-wage workers *lost* $125 per month. The minimum wage has always been a lousy income transfer program, but at this level you’d come out ahead just setting a hundred million dollars a year on fire. And that’s before we get into who kept vs lost their jobs.

– You may also hear that the construction of the comparison group was flawed somehow, and that’s driving the results. I believe that the research team did as good of a job as possible, trying several approaches and presenting all of their findings extensively. There is no cherry-picking here. But more importantly, without getting too deep into the econometric weeds, my sense is that, given the evolution of the Seattle economy over the past two years, these results – if anything – *understate* the extent of the job losses.

>>133046329
If you save enough money, Trucking is the way to go. Make 6 figures every year, just driving freight.

>>133047518
Thanks bud.
That crane gig seems right up my alley.I don't really care about happiness . That elevator constructor thijg seems fun ,I love architecture.

>>133048635
Interesting. I thought they only made 50-60k!

>>133032003
>Abolished?
Only viable solution in the long run if we want to have a stable economy again

>>133049607
it depends on what kinds of trucks.
If you drive freight with an 18 wheeler cross country, you get paid a lot more (that Class A CDL, though). If you drive box trucks (two axle, 26-32ft) you get paid less due to being limited to in state only, and no CDL requirements.

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>>133034798
>When your multi-year independently contracted study of the effects of minimum wage shows a spike in unemployment and worse spending power for the lower-class so you immediately contract a group from Berkley to publish a study saying the exact opposite
LIVING THE DREAM IN SEATTLE

>kike landlord where I live in LA recently upped my rent by 100 something bucks a month

fuck this place

>>133049607
To get started, buy yourself a decent box truck (I like the sterling L7500 model personally). Then go find a decent moving company to work for as an OO/contractor. You can make 6 figures doing that too, with no CDL. However it is a very physical job moving furniture and appliances 8-15 hours per day. But you'll end up making 300-500 per day, 6 days a week in the summer months.

>>133049497

Tough nut to crack with the cranes.
Op Eng push dirt too. Not as much money in that but it might be fun driving the Tonka trucks around and playing in the dirt.
Where ever you are, google: "operating engineers + your city" to find out what's going on and how to do it.
And those cranes, think 12 hours a day, 1000 feet in the air and never coming down until your shift is over. Yes, there's a bucket.
It might be 65-125 an hour though.

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>>133049992
You have it ass backwards. The Berkley study came out first.

Seattle's high minimum wage hasn't cost jobs, study finds
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattles-high-minimum-wage-hasnt-cost-jobs-study-finds/450850532

Then the corporate shills had to do damage control because there's nothing they hate more than booming wages and 2.5% unemployment so they came up with an absurd study that has been debunked.

Leave it up to the right wing retard corporate shills of (((pol))) to argue that higher wages and lower unemployment is a bad thing.

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/

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>>133044690
The city is booming and employment is at all time highs. That's why the unemployment rate fell.

>workers celebrate
>unemployed cry because now it's harder to get a job

>>133051238
Actually when the unemployment rate is 2.5% and job openings are plentiful, it's easier to get a job. Not harder. Why can't right wing retards into economics?

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=seattle

>>133050784
>The Berkley study came out first.
Because the city wanted that one to be paid attention to and not the one they commissioned several years prior that released a result they didn't agree with. Better to have the Berkley study that uses a tiny sample size and missing variables so you can continue to pander to the people that put you in office.
https://fee.org/articles/seattles-minimum-wage-has-been-a-disaster-as-the-citys-own-study-confirms/
I recognize you from the other threads where you spam with poorly constructed stats and articles with limited real-world application so I won't be replying to you further. This post is only for the others in the thread to understand you are inaccurately portraying the matter in my home state.

>>133050202
Interesting. I'd only do that if it leads to big money though. I'm 6'5 and big, but
I've been stacking concrete bags for 10 hours a day the past 8 years.It hasn't caught up to me yet but I know a few guys that have burned out around my age. I don't want to hit 30 and be fucked up the rest of my life y'know?

>>133050649
Cool,I just looked. There's one in my city.Have to check that out.

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>>133051856
You realize that the corporate shill study has been debunked right? It's damage control because the corporate shills and billionaire globalists that you serve are deathly afraid of 2.5% unemployment and booming wages. Working hours are up in Seattle not down.

They only looked at a few small mom and pop restaurants.

It was the most flawed study of all time. >>133050784

You corporate shills are so desperately fighting against higher wages for American workers that you're now trying to make the laughable claim that 2.5% unemployment and booming wages are bad.

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/

Even you shills can't spout the lie that the min wage hike kills jobs because it doesn't. Notice how all the paid shills stopped claiming that lie?

>>133051056
>>133034798
>>133035274

There are more job openings in Seattle than total unemployed people.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=seattle

>>133052294
What is your political ideology, leaf? I'm curious to know.

>>133052822
Obama Leafinism

>>133053001
Top tier, gg

>>133053269
how could there possibly be a better ideology

>>133051474
15/hr is just being pushed by leftists controlled by Soros-types to be an excuse to be totally unleashed with automation
>astroturf: 15 an hour!
>companies: we're automating and cutting 90% of our jobs
See how that works?
>astroturf auto unions demand MORE money from the automakers + outrageous salaries
>automakers leave detroit
Classic "collapse the system" tactics.You already knew that though,didn't you?

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>>133053439
I feel sorry for you cuck. Somehow your billionaire globalist overlords have programmed you to believe that if u just work for $1/hour, then your gods won't automate your job. It just ain't so.

Despite your neuro-corporate programming, higher wages for workers is a good thing. Not a bad thing. Don't worry your billionaire gods can afford it.

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>>133053347
I forgot the pic. Your 15/hr worker hahahah!

>>133053695
Are you under some retarded delusion that automation will stop if you work for your billionaire gods for $1/hour? >>133053673

>>133054068
If anything it would hasten it. Cut wages for workers and that's more in the pocket of the owners, and possibly into R&D of robotic replacement of the workers

>>133053673
Umm you just proved my point,hombre.Good job! Automation is coming either way but this just speeds it up by 20+ years.
The idea that getting 15 bucks an hour for flipping burgers,the getting replaced by robots, increases growth how,exactly?


I'm above to mindfuck you so prepare yourself mentally:
>just work for $1/hour, then your gods won't automate your job. It just ain't so. !!
OK by your that logic let's increase the minimum wage to 200 / hr! Sound good ? They won't cut jobs at all!!! WEEEE!!!!! Done.

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>be looking for a job
>have a boomer relative who at every opportunity tells me to go down to businesses asking about jobs
>tell him everyone does their applications online these days
>tells me to go down there anyway after applying to follow up on applications
>"If they're understaffed they might even just hire you on the spot"

Either way, enough blogposting. Is he right? Is going down in person for an unprompted-application follow up still a thing or is that just a boomer meme?

>>133053695
>a booming robot industry and more STEM jobs/research replacing dead-end wagey jobs
Oh no anon how terrible.

>>133032003
when it was raised here prices went up especially at restaurants.

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>>133054068
You're right!!!!!!! We should all get 200/hr!! Fuck, we should get 500/hr!!! They don't fire people to save money or automate at all!!! WEEEE!!!
Silly Idiot.You're a fucking child.
>pic related
You with your new iphone protesting capitalism.

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>>133054455
>>133054975

Here's a chart of Seattle food sector employment.

How much do the billionaire globalists pay you to shill for lower wages for American workers?

>>133032003
Did we not learn from Seattle?

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelsaltsman/2017/07/09/new-york-times-misleads-on-seattle-minimum-wage-study/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

>>133037010
>muh union

Union workers get so buttblasted when a non union worker comes around

>>133055186
Let's archive it
https://archive.is/3Hggm

>>133032003
(1/2)
Minimum wage laws were actually used to keep black people from getting jobs created in the booming economy in the 1920s that had been in the north in the 1930s with the Davis-Bacon Act. They were used during the Apartheid era to put black people on an equal playing field to make an excuse to hire more white workers. They were even contemplating using minimum wage laws to undermine working Chinese immigrants early in the 20th century. That explains why the unemployment rate for the black youth is high.

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/02/17/minimum-wage-and-discrimination

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesheffield/2014/04/29/on-the-historically-racist-motivations-behind-minimum-wage/#278e7c11bbdd

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0405-leonard-minimum-wage-20160405-story.html

Also, working at McDonalds isn't supposed to be a career. It's supposed to help you save some money to get a career. It's a foundation.

Also, if the minimum wage increases, don't be surprised when you lose your job. Last year, when UC Berkely touted and got the minimum wage, they fired hundreds of staff.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/uc-berkeley-touts-15-minimum-wage-then-fires-hundreds-of-workers-after-it-passes/

In Seattle, local restaurants had to cut jobs because of the minimum wage increase.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelsaltsman/2017/06/21/the-problems-with-a-new-study-on-seattles-15-minimum-wage/#5fe8d566156a

>>133054799
>thinks 300+ million people in america are all going to be robotic engineers + techs making 6 figures
Oh noooo! How arrogant.
You do realize even if everyone made 100+k the cost of everything would go up ,right? Of course you don't.

>>133034404
>>133034404
>You're all over-paid self-righteous assholes who think 16 weeks of school should qualify you to make the same wages as a fucking doctor
It took me 4 years to meet the requirements for journeyman status. I go places no doctor ever would, and make $100k/year when I try....60+ when I just sit around and don't try to work....

Supply and demand. Don't want me getting paid so much? Find someone else to do it for cheaper. That is where you get into problems. You may not understand skilled labor, and I don't expect you to. If you like to keep your vibrator charged, you better thank god people like me go to power plants, crawl through shit and fix them so they keep working.

>>133054952
You can look at San Fran to see what's happened with them and their insane real estate bubble.

>>133055436
(2/2)
Workers and clerks are being replaced with automatons and kiosks in states like California, Florida and others. At my local AMC theatre, they're used to be seven clerks printing out movie tickets for customers. Now, there's only one clerk for pre-ordered tickets, and the rest are kiosks that the customer can order on themselves.

http://www.businessinsider.com/self-service-kiosks-are-replacing-workers-2016-5

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/29/thanks-to-fight-for-15-minimum-wage-mcdonalds-unveils-job-replacing-self-service-kiosks-nationwide/#7b2b4354fbc6

So be careful what you wish for.

>>133038728
>Unionized workers themselves aren't a big issue
You actually misunderstand union workers totally.

Yes we are a problem. If you fuck with us, we will shut down. Our bosses don't mean shit in the equation. It is really simple. I am getting paid WAY more, and better trained and am treated to a retirement through a union hall vs competing rat outfits. I as a worker decide on my own if I choose to associate and organize. If others do the same, than you have a union. You can pretend to understand the dynamics of organized labor, but at the end of the day Union labor continues to be a part of the workforce for a very good reason. We are paid well because we are very specialized. We also don't go to the same office 8 minutes from home every day for the rest of our lives. We drive all over our "territory" which can be as large as a state....I consider my territory the US, Canada....though Id never go to leaf land.

t: Union Pipefitter

>>133054975
>That FAND
She indeed needs some education.

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>>133050784

Oh my fuck you're an idiot. That shits been debunked!!!!
>hours worked fell
>net earnings fell
THEY GOT 15/HR AND LITERALLY MADE LESS MONEY!! Are you fucking retarded!?!?
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelsaltsman/2017/07/09/new-york-times-misleads-on-seattle-minimum-wage-study/#32f08a092769

>LEFT BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEATTLE DEBUNKED!!!
>SEATTLE DEBUNKED!!!
SEATTLE.DEBUNKED!!!!

>>133056374
The left never learns!!

>>133054763

Yes. Or go to a staffing agency.

>>133032003

>Jesus prepares food yada yada yada
>The diner's owners worry about the impact of a $12 minimum wage

It's not like they were paying him legally anyway.

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>>133032003
Oy vey! It looks like all my products that I sell in LA have somehow gone up in price, making the $12 per hour go back to nothing.

>>133032003
My local Walmart just added a huge new section of automated checkout stations. They already had a huge section but now they placed one on the other end of the checkout lanes leaving something like only 8 lanes for live attendants. Has anyone else noticed this happening around the country?

>>133032577
Crime isn't correlated with poverty, it's with income inequality in areas. Google Gini Coefficient and crime.

>>133063013
google charles murray the bell curve

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>>133057748
Hours worked are up and net earnings are up.

Your corporate shill study only looked at a few small mom and pop restaurants. Even they admit it.

see >>133050784

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/

How much do the billionaire globalists pay you to shill for lower wages for American workers?

Why did u ignore this? >>133055109