Can Republitards recover?

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>>133025217
guns dont gang rape children

>>133025217
The point is: banning guns will not prevent bad people to have guns.

we're banning entry from counties that don't have functioning governments. countries that could tell us anything about their citizens. countries where imams in jihad mosques are the ones issuing passports. it's not a muslim ban. should be, but it isn't. very bad thread.

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One side is arguing the right to import millions of illiterate aggressive rapists.
The other side is arguing the right to use a tool.

>>133025847
Nice reductionism in your favor

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This is posted on the top of r/libertarians

Reddit doesn't even know what a libertarian is anymore.

>>133025217
>pressing both buttons with joy
/thread

>>133025217
There's more than a few terrorists among muslims and at least a quarter of their population supports Islamist terror OPENLY.

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>>133025217
Islam is an ideology. An ideology which includes "kill the infidels" as a core tenant

Guns aren't an ideology.

>>133027951
>>pressing both buttons with joy
>>133028022
>>pressing both buttons with joy

continue ...

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>>133025217

You're comparing a totalitarian ideology to owners of a tool.

The reason why Islamic terrorism is call out constantly and in the spotlight is because there is a consistent congruent pattern of motivation behind their acts. Every time they commit a terrorist attack, it's the same motivation ("For Allah!") that they clearly express in many forms of media. This is because at it's core (the Quran), the totalitarian ideology that is Islam demands that you conquer lands in the name of Allah and subjugate the non-Muslim infidels. They fight with, but not limited to: Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist (arguably the most peaceful religion), Hindus, smaller religions, and even other Muslims because of slightly different interpretations of Islam. This scholar is legit, that one isn't; that Hadith is OK, that one's not, all of them are not; etc.; but they all agree that the Quran as it is, is perfect and that's the book that has the instructions for how law and war should be.

Gun owners are just gun owners, that's it. No two gun owners are the same because they are not connected by ideology but by a tool they both own. A mass shooter could have shot because he's fed up with bully. Because he's conservative and hates liberals. Because he's liberal and hates conservative. Because he's Christian and hates non-Christians. Because he's anti-theist and hates the religious. Because he's simply mentally ill and the audio hallucinations in his head final made sense to him.

The Islamic terrorist does acts of terrorism for the same reason those before him did and those after him will do.

TL;DR: I can press both of these buttons and not be hypocritical.

>>133025217
I hate these kinds of memes on both sides. The issue with hypocrisy is that it works both ways. You could easily swap Muslims with gun owners and it's the same joke, same failed logic, but now the other side looks stupid.

>>133027951

White Supremacy isn't the same as White Nationalism. Also, if we're talking about White Privilege in the universal sense then that doesn't exist: the very fact that you use the biased nitpicked context of American history to try to justify it is an ironic contradiction that makes it illogical.

>>133028022

Criminals are gonna crime, if they already decided to rape/kill/steal/etc. then why would they falter on getting a gun illegal? Only law-abiding citizens will follow the gun laws and not the criminals already comfortable with violating more serious laws. You make the citizen less able to defend himself and the criminal more safe/dangerous. See the issue with "Gun-Free Zones".

Yes, it would prevent sexual predators more so than not because it would take away their ability to claim that they are the opposite gender and be legally allowed into the bathrooms. With the Transgender Laws, we'd be able to immediately call out a perverted man in a woman's locker room instead of having to debate among ourselves whether he's being honest or not.


Again, I can press all of these buttons and not be hypocritical.

>>133025217
One is a tool, the other uses said tool for evil.
You cure the illness, not treat the symptom.

>>133025217
What's funny is the Liberals are the problem with both of those. Obama gave rise to ISIS and let the terrorists into Europe because he also destroyed Libya and almost Syria. And all the gun crime is committed by niggers who vote left and literal communist Bernie supporters suffering from hallucinations.

We could solve both problems by physically removing liberals.

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>>133025217

>>133025617
It decreases risk. Just looking at any country with gun laws.

Banning muslims wont prevent literally any other race from raping

>>133027301
why even go on reddit? You really expect them to know what a libertarian is? Big government lover Bill Maher said he was a libertarian when he had Ron Paul on his shitty show. Newsflash, just because you are pro-weed doesn't make you a libertarian. Bunch of superficial cucks

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>>133025217
How do you not understand how stupid this is? Flip the panels and the opposite it's true.

>>133029482
And it is a strawman because the meme never correctly addresses the opposing viewpoint.

>ban all Muslims
But who the fuck will stone the gays then?
Fucking nigger, Radical Islam is the kind of shit we need to push back the Jews while we try and get Christianity's shit back together, I'm not talking about ISISrael or the fucking Saudis, I'm talking about the ones stoning whores, killing Jews, and going on their own fucking crusades

>>133025217
Guns don't kill people, shitskin muslims do

one is provided for by the constitution, the other is not. what's the problem?

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the orange one is a fool

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>>133025217

>not all muslims are banned.
>only people from 7 countries that were selected by hussein are banned.
>islam is the issue, and it should be banned. it is a backwards ideology, as a fag you should be able to appreciate this.
>criminals dont care about laws other than to hide from them and get by them.
>legal gun owners are not out shooting up babies in chicago.

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>>133025217
>blanket all gun owners

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Even putting politics aside, the meme is still terrible. Too many words. Memes used to speak for themselves. Normies are dumb and have to spell everything out, making memes that are mini novels pasted over an overused picture.

At least we took pepe back from normies and niggers...

>>133025217
Muslims aren't constitutional

>>133030212
>Just looking at any country with gun laws
Like Honduras?

>>133025217
Switch the buttons and how will democrats ever recover you moron. And the right to guns is in our constitution. The right to be Muslim isn't. You can be whatever religion you want we just want to ban the assault religions... nobody NEEDS to be a muslim

>>133025217

Can I get a stat on the % of Muslims who are radical vs the % of gun owners who are radical in the sense that they would do this sort of thing?

>>133030212
Yes let's look at England
>ban guns
>gun murders drop sharply
>knife murders increases dramatically

Hm okay bad example, what about Australia?
>ban guns
>gun murders drop sharply
>knife murders increase dramatically

Oh wait what about
>gun murders drop sharply
>knife murders increase dramatically

Wait I've got it. Let's ban knives!

>>133031104
Foreigners aren't American citizens so the Constitution literally doesn't even apply to them. So there is literally no Constitutional issue with banning them. That's why the Supreme Court is and will side with Trump on this

>>133031276
Don't give them any ideas bro...

>>133027951
white are genetically superior but because of systematic oppresion of this one race white privilege is not real
>i-i-if whites are so smart then t-t-then why are are they being oppresed cccccccccchek muh
do you understand the concept of hierarchy?

sesh even a nigger ought to be able to figure this one out guess this is what happens when affirmative action is in place

>>133031421
I sound like a faggot for saying "literally" so often

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>>133025217
>a few of them

>>133030212

>It decreases risk. Just looking at any country with gun laws.

No, it doesn't. You're ignoring the fact that these "countries" you are pointing to are most likely homogeneously White. Take for example with areas like Chicago and modern Sweden. Malmo has consent shootings, despite maintaining strict gun laws but increasing the Muslim and different race populations. The controlled variable is the gun legislation, the examined variable is the changing population.

>Banning muslims wont prevent literally any other race from raping

Yes it would, it would rapidly decrease the amount of rapes. There is an undeniable direct correlation with the increasing Muslim population and the increasing rape rates. This is because the Quran is permissive with the raping of non-Muslims that do not adhere to the dress codes for modesty Islam proclaims: she "dresses like a whore", so you can treat her like a whore.

Let me give you another similar and related example: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM). Reza Aslan claims that "FGM is not an Islamic issue, it's an African issue." Bullshit. Although the Quran does not specifically endorse FGM, the Hadiths have several incidents where the Prophet greatly encourages it for it's clean. The Hadiths are testimonies and witness accounts of the Prophet and his followers: the perfect generation of Muslims that should be emulated. When the Quran fails to explain an issue, the Hadiths are researched next in Sharia Law to decide what to do. This is why in Indonesia (a not-African country) they are seeing increase incidents of FGM as the Muslim population grows. This is why in America we are seeing an increase in FGM as the Muslim population grows, especially in Michigan that has the largest Muslim community.

TL;DR: You're wrong.

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>>133025217
Have you read the constitution my friend?
We have the right to bear arms, however it says nothing about the right to letting mooslims rape our women and children

>>133025217
Where were Muslims banned? He banned countries from which large numbers of terrorists are coming through. The word Muslim was never mentioned. Just because you correlate terrorists with muslim countries doesn't mean we do, friend.

>>133025217
Leftards have made tight as fuck gun control laws and make new ones whenver there is a shooting (usuall by a muslim) all the while importing more muslims.
So, you can get fucked, nigger

>>133031246
why would that mater?
one is a idea that inspires violence
the other is a simply a tool
get rid of muhamerdas and you get rid of people murders in the name th fucker
get rid of guns and not only do you create a black market but you also massively inflate your skanking problem, and then good luck trying to get rid of pointy sticks

>Doesn't stop violent crime

Hey wait... what if we ban violent crime?

>>133025217
The left can't meme and they also fucking suck at shilling.

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>>133032340
Swedens already thought about that

>>133025217
There is no muslim ban you mouth breather. Quit believing everything you see on ABC

>>133025217
one of them are citizens
the other isn't

>>133030212
>a fucking muhahmedist
colour me suprised
bad people will murder with or without guns, plus theres a reason why they call guns "the equalizer" - it helps prevent crime merely by existing
>implying non muhmerdes rape nearly as much
>implying that muhmerdes are a race
no swedecuck, inbreed isnt a race

>>133032678
Well then, problem fucking solved.

>>133032676
no stap on snek

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>>133025217
This is literally straight out of the front page of reddit. Is /pol/ even distinguishable from reddit at this point

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I have a better study, OP. Look it up.

>>133030212
Yeah those gun laws sure helped us !

>Banning muslims won't prevent literally any other race from raping
Then ban blacks too and most rapes are prevented.

>>133025217
>A few of them
>40% of all Muslims (that's BILLIONS of people) believe it's acceptable to kill you for not believing their religion, being gay, questioning their faith, or not believing enough
>Dozens of terror attacks EVERY SINGLE DAY, in the name of Islam
#NotAllMuslims
vs
>1 white man kills dozens of black people years ago
>ALL GUN OWNERS ARE EVIL RACISTS

We're comparing Billions with a kill count that goes up by dozens every single day to low millions that most kills are accidental or self defense... This meme is one of the most retarded ones I have seen and I've been browsing the internet since the early 2000's..

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Libcucks will defend this.

>>133025577
Oh right, that's men. #BanAllMen

>>133031276
>It's as easy to kill people with knives as guns.
If that isn't what you implied then you admit that you have no argument.

>>133025217

All muslims weren't banned only 6 countries out of 50 you insipid cuck.

>>133025217
You block arabs and other shitskins because they will ruin the character of America.

>>133034302
>Abortion
>Cause of death

>>133025217
But who actually talks openly about banning Islam?

>>133030212
So you rather keep the rapist race in hopes that their rapes will somehow prevent other races from committing the crime?

You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?

>read the Qur'an to see if Islamic terrorists are isolated cases or Islam-compliant acts
>decision made immediately

>>133025217
Recover from what ?

>>133028686
/thread

>>133025217
Sage......

>>133025217
False equivalency. Eat shit and die OP.

>>133028686
This guy gets it.

>>133025217
Islam is about conquest, legal gun ownership is about defending yourself.
>>133027951
Read a definition of privilege. It's an opportunity, an advantage of minorities, i.e. affirmative action and excessive positive media representation.
>>133028022
This one is just silly. Smuggling and hiding a gun is a bit easier than being a ninja tranny, don't you think?

>>133035306
>I don't see fetus as living beings, so it can't be death if it's not alive XD
>Ignoring the number because muh narrative
Do you not see how many abortions are given? Do you not understand the concept of at least attempting a less biased argument? Of course not, since your life has been nothing more than one big knee jerk reaction - just like this response to your pathetic bait.

Well played :^)

>>133036434
Cool it Cleetus

If only liberals would allow a healthy discussion on Islam, muslims in western cultures could move to reforming the religion to be more like Central Asia's.
We need to ban ultra-conservative Wahhabist and Salafist preachers. And money from Saudi Arabia to the mosques they preach in but the liberals, in their trained school of thought, won't allow that.
Meanwhile the Muslim community will be dragged in to attacking us or face ostracism from its leaders.
Almost like someone planned this hmm...

Guns are necessary for freedom but muslims aren't. Next question?

>>133036848
Are you some sort of caucasophobe? :^)

>>133025217
Have it your way I guess, blanket ban on all people wielding guns entering the country.

fuck off intl shill

>>133033719
>nerve agent
>people moving around

I'd think German TV would find it easy to research gassing people

>>133027951
White Privilege is a code word for White Achievement :^)

>>133025217
Banning weapons is one of the largest steps of tyrants rising from the sham that is democracy.

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>>133025217
>gun crimes
>Muslim crimes

>"We're already killing each other, so why can't we let muslims come in and do a little more damage?"

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>>133028022
>>133027951
What alternate reality do you live in where strawman pictures like this make even a bit of sense?

>>133035306
Youre fucking retarded

Taking away guns just gives more power to the criminals. Not only do you need guns to discourage radicals and rapists, they come in handy for Bears too. Anyone who supports gun control wants to make things easier for criminals. The idea that the police can protect us is ludicrous.

>>133025217
>ban all Muslims because some of them are terrorist
>ban all guns because some of them explode?
Left-wing memes suck.

>>133030212
>Banning muslims wont prevent literally any other race from raping
When the issue is other races raping, this can be an argument.

>Reposting reddit memes

>>133025217
Press both buttons. Might makes right.

>>133025217
I think america has too many guns and the the gun lobby should stop making money off of the american constitution.

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Muslim fuckers are insane
Over and over they show that they are anti-everybody
Why play with fuckers that want to kill you and your family?

>>133025217
Let me help you:
Muslims =/= Guns. Okay? Good so far.

Muslims are human beings, Guns are not. Muslims can't be controlled. Guns can, if in right hands.

Muslims practice a religion, that is opposed to all values the west represents. Guns are independent (they don't follow any kind of ideology, and they don't kill people for crazy ass religious reasons) and are only a threat when in wrong hands, which can be counteracted though when you are in hands of a gun yourself.

So, banning guns makes no sense. Criminals will always find a way to get a gun, and a citizien without a way of proper protection is literally good fodder for criminals.

Whereas banning countries, with a high rate of radical muslims is simply a defensive tactic, that was long needed. Radical muslims cannot be controlled like guns. Their only purpose is to come here and to blow up themselves and they are incredibly convinced about their bs that nothing will stop them. So only a travel ban helps in order to prevent such scenario. Yeah, it sucks for other people, but that's what happens if the banned countries are unable to control their citiziens. End of story.

In short,

>>133025217
So, in short, stop comparing apples and oranges. Thanks.

>>133034590
What a lame fuck rebuttal. There's more kitchen knife homicides in America annually than gun.

>>133029613
>tool
>only function is killing
Wow, great argument

>>133043460
>>133031276
>>133025617
does increased gun control laws decrease violent crime, death(s) involved in crimes, and/or deaths in attempted criminal arrests?

>>133030904
Sandy Hook was shot up by a legal gun owner

>>133025217

I need my gun for home defense. The last time I called the cops in my town of Colorado Springs it took them 2 hours and 30 minutes to show up.

I don't need a Muslim at all. Thanks.

>>133031093
I'm sure the swedebro meant civilized countries like Australia

>>133031104
>the right to practice religious freedom isn't a protected right
>what is the first amendment
Wow what a faggot

>>133043789
Not in the USA: Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and Wyoming have the lowest crime rate in the USA, consistently.
Those same states are 4 of 13 states who don't require permits to carry guns concealed, and have very loose gun laws.
That doesn't mean however, that loose gun laws equal low crime, as Alaska and Louisiana attest. However, it does mean that loose gun laws in the USA have no correlation to higher crime rates- Crime is directly correlated with drugs(including alcoholism in Alaska and gangs in New Orleans) in the USA.

>>133025217
one is an ideology and one is an object
but your right lets just ban all brown people instead

>>133044081
Note, Australia's homicide rate since gun control has declined slower than the USA's.

>>133025217
You realize this can be turned around right?

Either way guns don't kill people, niggers kill people.

>>133034302
>we need MORE people in our already heavily overpopulated world
I think we should offer rewards for abortions especially in high population areas.

>>133034302
I didn't know a fetus was a named person with a death certificate

>>133043460
Try murdering a nightclub full of faggots with a steak knife

>>133044593
Rate of decline is nice, but the per capita murder rate in the US is 57 times higher than in australia

>>133025217

Thats funny, we've greatly expanded gun rights and owned guns and our crime rate plummeted

>>133025217
Right to bear arms is in the constitution, accepting muslims is not. Blanket all gun owners as lunatics if you want to, the right shall not be infringed. It's just that simple.

>>133025217
We can't stop people from getting guns.
We can stop brown people from coming into our country.

>>133025217
>commitment to protecting gun ownership in founding document
>somehow the same as relinquishing the established right of nations to pick and choose who enters

I don't get it

>>133025217

Muslims are not a right.

>>133027951

Thats wrong, though. We have privilege and we like it. We want more.

>>133025217
According to polls conducted by muslims in muslim countries, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of muslims think suicide bombing is good, sharia is the only law, women are property, honor killing is good, etc.

The media would always like you to believe that it's like 40 dudes, like the Westboro Baptist Church.

But it's not. There is no moderate Islam.

Look up what % of muslims condone these things. It's 80% in most countries.

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>>133025217
>>133028022
>>133027951
you're trying too hard

>>133044081
Meanwhile almost immediately after the law, knife related homicides skyrocketed within the year. People will just use other weapons to kill people mate.

Muslims are pedos, it says for then to marry 6 year olds in their book

>>133025217
Here's the thing, how many gun owners do it out of the Christian duty compared to Muslims?
3/10 bait

>>133046766
It's a lot harder to massacre an entire school full of children with a steak knife, m8

>>133046766
Also, toddlers cannot accidentally murder their fathers with a kitchen knife

>>133025217
I'm sorry, I must have missed the amendment which guaranteed citizens the right to bear muslims.

>>133025217
In-groups and out-groups fuckwit.

>>133025217

A diversified populace, being necessary the for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear muslims shall not be infringed

That doesnt sound right, does it you fucking retarded shit stabber

>>133027951
A liberal would be sweating as much if not more making that choice.

>>133025217
>>133027951
>>133028022
these are double edged swords for both parties to be honest.
If we can't ban muslims into our country cause some of them might be jihadist then you cant tak away our guns cause some of us might have a bad day.

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>>133025217
>This threat is still not dead
Sage you useless faggots

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Can you stop reposting from reddit faggot? Thanks

>>133043699
>All those poor paper targets at the gun club
An electric toothbrush is designed to clean your teeth but it doesn't stop you faggots from sticking it up your bum.

>>133043887
>takes gun from mom and kills her with it
>legal gun owner
hmm

>>133025217
when was the last time a "repiblitard" started shooting people randomly?

>>133047021
What about trucks? Is it hard to kill a lot of people with those?

We need to register all Muslims like we do handguns. Ban them from certain locations. Prevent them from being brought on planes without prior approval. Muslims cannot be dispayed in public without a rigorous bachground check. Comparing them to handguns might get the ball rolling.

left can't meme

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>the left

>>133048333
It will be in 10 years when they are automated.

>>133048099
>all those poor paper targets
>shaped like humans
>literally training yourself to be a more effective killer

>>133025217

One is a transnational religion that spawns international terrorist groups that wreak havoc on every continent on earth sans Antarctica. Which is embedded in many backwards cultures incompatible with the West.

The other is a group of hobbyists who use firearms for a myriad of legitimate interests, whose right to do so is protected by the US Constitution.

>>133049078
>What is wrestling
>What is boxing
>What are martial arts
"training yourself to be a more effective killer"

>>133028022

Barring a man in a dress is easier, in some cases, than delving into a wacko's mind to see his intentions.

>>133047139
Yet idiots find ways to die all the time, far more idiots kill themselves and others with cars.

>>133027951

>Being better than someone means you have privilege.

The entire concept of white privilege is that whites aren't better and are only on top due to privilege they haven't earned.

>>133034323

Underrated. This is the final redpill.

Men are the root problem. Not even b8. Think about it.

The only reason people think women leaders cant work is because MEN will exploit them. In a world with no men, there would be no wars, gang rape, violence etc.

>>133025217
>an estimated 1 billion muslims believe in sharia law, and over 600 million want death to those that leave the cult
versus
>most gun owners wanting to be left alone, with most mass shootings being committed by people for reasons that aren't tied to them being a gun owner
You dumbasses would ban people from coughing because it can spread disease.

>>133049562
I didn't know boxing was a style of fighting that promotes killing. Strange. Even the most effective martial arts like krav maga focus on breaking limbs in order to subdue an opponent without killing him. Guns are designed to kill, nothing else.

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>>133025217
>several recent mass shooters were Muslim terrorists
>worst mass shooting in u.s. history was a Muslim terrorist attacking a gay nightclub
Really fires up the old neurons.

>>133049813
Cars are essential for modern commerce to exist. Guns are not.

>>133045982
USA's always had more crime and until we fix the inner city we always will. I'm just saying gun control didn't make Australia safe.

>>133049867
>most mass shootings being committed by people for reasons that aren't tied to them being a gun owner
Being a gun owner gives them the capability of mass murder. It is tied directly to gun ownership.

>>133049964
Do you think Police officers carry guns to kill people? It's simply the most effective tool to defend themselves- seriously, ask any Krav maga instructor how to protect yourself from someone with a knife. The only real answer is
1)be faster than them
or 2) have a gun

>>133050125
Nothing could possibly make Australia safe. They have all kinds of venomous creatures, in addition to the largest, most aggressive crocodiles in the world. I'm saying that gun laws made Australia safer than it was before.

>>133050334
>Do you think Police officers carry guns to kill people?
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" is a common police saying for a reason. The Police use guns to kill people. Because that's what guns do.

If a man is coming at me with a knife, I can subdue him with pepper spray followed by an arm bar

>>133050388
No it isn't. Rate of decline proves you are wrong.

USA would be one of the safest places in the world if it wasn't for niggers.

>>133050207
So mass murders don't happen in say Japan for instance then? 20 people stabbed to death last year, 7 died in China this year in a bombing attack at a kindergarten. 22 died in a bombing attack in Manchester.
Or I could just point out to you that 160 people died in France last year from illegal guns in the bataclan. 70 died (more than have ever been killed in a mass shooting in the USA) in a truck attack in Nice.
There are a lot of things we could do to make people more safe, we could eliminate warrants, install CCTV everywhere,we could ban cars. Most of these are totalitarian and not worth doing, but the single most effective way to reduce homicides in the USA is to legalize drugs. That'd do more than literally any other proposal.

>>133050599
>I will risk getting a stab to the neck in a risky maneuver
>I care about a criminal safety
>I think that criminals will give their guns back if honest people does
You are deluded.

>>133050702
>if it wasn't for niggers
If only rich whites weren't so fucking greedy, we wouldn't have imported so fucking many

>>133050808
I'm not saying it's impossible for mass knife attacks to happen. I'm saying it's more difficult to commit mass murder with a knife than it is with a gun. Look at per capita murder rates and mass murder rates in Japan vs the USA if you disagree.

>>133050987
>rich blacks also brought slaves
You should stop while you are losing.

>>133050886
I'm not deluded, simply wishful.
There are too many guns in the US to possibly confiscate even a fraction of them. What I am suggesting is not viable in the real world, no matter how much I wish it to be so.

>>133043887
He was banned from owning guns due to mental defect. His dumbass mother bought guns for him to use and kept them locked up. He killed her, stole the guns and went on a killing spree. His mother is the primary reason Sandy Hook happened because you can't fix stupid.

>>133051275
Only after we stopped importing them. You should read a little before you embarrass yourself, huemonkey.

>>133050388
We're talking about homicide and violent crime rates bro, in those terms both Australia and the USA are 'safe' by global standards and 'unsafe' by 'it could still happen to you' standards.
What I mean to point out is that since Australia banned certain rifles and instituted strict gun control, their homicide rate has fallen slower than the US's. If you mean to say gun control in Australia was a success, you'd have to argue that whatever the USA did at the same period (which is to say, nothing) was more effective.

>>133051339
Even if you could somehow get every single registered gun in the US, that wouldn't stop big criminals or terrorists from getting guns.

You are literally trading a lot of liberty for a little safety.

>>133051432
>Only after we stopped importing them.
Citation needed.

>>133025217
Wow you really want the second amendment repealed, huh?

>>133051161
I just want you to be fair- the reason homicide rates are so low in Japan and so high in the USA are cultural and in the inner city- not about gun availability. The states where it is the easiest to get guns but which don't have inner cities are the safest.

>>133051339
Look at the sources of gun crime and homicide in the USA. If we could fix the inner city even with millions of missing guns- we could be as safe as Canada.
That's why I'm pro drug legalization, we can hit the gangs where it hurts.

>>133051587
>since Australia banned certain rifles and instituted strict gun control, their homicide rate has fallen slower than the US's
Misleading. The per capita murder rate in the US is still 57x higher, mongoloid

>>133051643
I realize this. I'm not advocating for a buyback program in the USA. I'm saying that it worked in Australia.

>>133049863
Is that why women commit a majority of child abuse? Is that also why European queens waged war more than kings did?

>>133051161
To go with your point on mass murder rates instead of murder rates, I think the USA compares favorably with France. (France actually doesn't have a direct border with a warzone, so it would be worse in the USA) With 1/5 the population, mass murder in France is as big a problem as it is in the USA.
I think if it came down to it, the really committed murderers would get guns that were stolen or 'lost' from the Mexican army or police.

>>133045681
Dont tempt me.

>>133051791
>the murder rates are lowest in states where you have to drive 20 minutes to see another human
Go figure

>>133025217
I can't use kebab to stop getting robbed

>>133052018
It's really misleading for you to claim you can compare the absolute rate of murder in the USA and Australia. Cut out the inner city drug murders, and maybe we can.
The USA's problem is constant gang war.

>>133052133
>worked

HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHHA NO FREEDOM

>>133052014
I don't want drugs to be fully legalized because I manage a cannabis dispensary in a border town. 80% of my revenue comes from out of state.

>>133025217

Vast majority of gun owners condone mass shooting though.

Last time they checked, half of all muslims think terrorist attacks are justifiable.

>>133025217
pretty sure like 70% of muslims agree with the terrorism tho

>>133052321
>What does rate mean
Per capita that doesn't make any sense. There should be fewer murders but more as a function of population.
These are also places where the police are hours away.

>>133052439
>America's real problem is niggers
Come on dude, don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

>>133025217
I don't think 1/4 of gun owners have sympathies with mass shootings, though.

>>133052133
But it didn't. America got a rate of decline bigger than Australia.

But show a study showing it was because of gun control, and not because of economic progress, social advance or the other hundred of affecting factors.

>>133052603
Murder is usually impulsive. If you have to drive 45 miles to kill somebody, most likely you'll calm down and rethink everything on the way.

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>>133025217
>white on white murder rate in US
>1.02 per 100,000

The REAL answer is ban niggers. Blanket bans are fine, so long as it actually addresses the problem.

>>133028022
They might not, but then we and publically shame and execute the perverts who try.

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>>133052133
>I'm saying that it worked in Australia.

>>133052133
Yet the decline in homicide in Australia was actually less than in the USA at the same time. Look up a university of Melbourne study on the subject.

>>133025217
the Koran says to kill and rape sooooooooo no banning all of them is better

>>133052732
Impossible to say, with so many variables. I will say (once again) that it's really difficult to commit mass murder with a knife.

>>133053009
don't ignore my post, nigger

>>133030212

You say this in reply to Switzerland.

>>133052815
I'm serious here, do you have a source that says murders are usually impulsive?
I'm reading an anti-gun study right now that concedes having people carrying guns hasn't resulted in an increased murder rate.

>>133052834
>ban niggers
Having nigga problems is karmic justice for their enslavement.

>>133053009
Yes, but it's possible to do with a truck. Do you plan to ban trucks too?

>>133025217
people have the right to self defense, muslims do not have the right to enter the country without citizenship. pretty easy

>>133053157
and without that enslavement they would be in apefrica starving to death. 2 generations of enslavement for a whole future of gibs seems like they got the better deal

>>133025217
It isn't a muslim ban it is a ban on countries with high terrorist activity. Check mate faggot.

>>133052945
The murder rate in the US is still 56x that of Australia

>>133027463
Seriously. I live in NJ so I'm not going to get a legal gun anyways. I'd gladly press a magic button that whisked away all guns, Muslims and post-1965 arrival immigrants. Wouldn't think twice about it.

>>133043699
>only for killing
Nonsense, I use mine to open my beer and write graffiti on trees all the time.

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>>133053286
... and who commits all of those murders?

>>133053308
Didn't mean to gay flag

>>133053202
Won't be a problem in 10 years when trucks are automated.

>>133053054
>talking about Australia
>posts data about Wales
Maybe if you posted something relevant to the discussion I would pay attention to you, wetback

>>133053422
stop ignoring facts
reply to these:
>>133053364
>>133052944

>>133025217
False equivalence. All Muslims are terrorists.

>>133053514
>talking about Australia
>posts data about Wales
the top plot includes australia you fucking blind illiterate nigger

>>133051378
Sandy hook didn't happen!

>>133053144
>asks me to post a study proving something that is subjective

>>133053157
Maybe we'll luck out and they'll kill each other off

>>133053260
Sounds much better than living in Mexico

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>>133045681
All mass shootings in the U.S. share a common theme. They take place where guns are legally prohibited. You rarely, if ever, hear about the times an aspiring mass shooter shows up and gets dropped by an off duty cop or concealed carrier. Case in point, the Republican congressional baseball practice would have been a massacre without the two Capitol Police officers suppressing and pinning down the shooter. Also, without access to firearms potential mass murderers would simply resort to explosives. The Dallas cop shooter had IEDs but ended up settling for a rifle. The San Diego jihadists had homemade bombs made up, but used guns that were technically illegal in California. It can be argued that without access to firearms, we'd see more Boston Marathon bombings or Oklahoma City bombings. Despite the publicity they receive, mass shootings are a tiny fraction of all murders, and firearms deaths themselves are a small percentage of overall deaths. Pic related.

>>133053364
See
>>133053344

Not trying to ignore you, just replying to lots of (you)s

>>133053766
don't ignore my facts:
>>133053640
>>133053364
>>133052944

>>133025217
>An inanimate object vs an ideology followed by billions
IT'S DUH SAAAAAME

>>133053741
They breed too fast for this to happen, especially if we ban abortion

>>133053702
Well I did provide a study that counters the claim. I thought psychologists had done research on it or something.

>>133054047
you just ignore posts that you cannot dismiss with your false logic.

you're trash at this.

reply to my facts instead of ignoring posts you cannot refute:
>>133053640
>>133053364
>>133052944

>>133054047
Mandate abortion for niggers

>>133054087
he just ignores posts that provide facts he cannot dismiss with his shitty rhetoric

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>>133034323
>#BanAllMen

Welcomo to South Korea

>>133053848
The 1996 olympic bombing only killed one person, and they died of cardiac arrest due to the loud noise.

>>133054208
>>133054115
reply to my facts instead of ignoring posts you cannot refute:
>>133053640
>>133053364
>>133052944

>>133053945
I already replied to all those posts, faggot.

>>133027128
Not an argument

>>133053286
It's a problem in the inner city. We need to fix the inner city- the drug gangs would be stabbing each other to death without guns.

>>133025217
Those aren't related because most mass shooters use illegally obtained guns the only ones that I can think of that used legal ones were liberals that were then killed by a gun.

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>>133054270
no you did not.

you replied to this post: >>133052944
saying that australia isn't included int he plot but it is. reply to these facts.

you never replied to this one at all:
>>133053364

and now here is another one that you will just ignore but i will quote every single post you make until you try to formulate a non-argument against them

>>133028022
But those both work laws should restrict what you do not what you can buy.

>>133047021
Largest school massacre was a bombing.
>Bath School Massacre
>May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan
>Andrew Kehoe uses explosives to kill 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults and injure at least 58 other people
>Kehoe then blows himself up in his truck
Crazy assholes will find a way. You can actually guard against a nut with a rifle. Nothing you can do when a bomb reduces the building you're in to flinders.

>>133054626
he simply ignores posts he cannot easily dismiss with his shitty pre-made talking points

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>>133025217
The right to own a Muslim isn't guaranteed in the constitution fucktard. And if it were, I'd immediately exercise my second amendment right on that towelhead.

>>133041268
Zoom in again showing legally obtained and illegal guns used.

>>133025217
A majority of guns don't want sharia law. Guns don't practice an ideology that wants my death.

>>133054239
>blacks commit all the murders
Nigga problems are karmic justice for their enslavement.

>violent crimes rose in Australia after the gun ban
No they didnt. You provided incomplete data, with the intent to mislead. The violent crime rates in 2014 are much lower in Australia than they were in 2000

>>133054298
>it's niggers
If you're gonna be racist, own it.

>>133054742
Show drug related!

op is a faggit

>>133054789
You're right about Australia except for the fact the USA's homicide rate fell faster.
Crime is actually on a downward trend across the west right now.

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>MFW CONSERVATIVE NATIONALIST ELECTED A RUSSIAN AGENT AS POTUS

>>133054870
Good idea.

>>133054837
If facts are racist, I guess I'm a fucking racist then.

>>133054626
That's neat, I didn't know this about the Bath massacre. However, preparing an IED requires expertise, planning and forethought. Any crazy person can grab a gun and pull a trigger. I agree, crazies will always find a way, but why make it easier for them?

>>133048640
What are you in California? Those are some faggot ass restrictions on handguns. Not like that in my state.

>>133054789
>Nigga problems are karmic justice for their enslavement.
then where is the karmic justice for the jews that enabled the trade and owned all of the ships that transported the slaves? where is the justice for all of the niggers in africa who sold their enemies into slavery and still practice slavery to this day?

>No they didnt.
I provided sourced data. where are your sources? what's that? you have none?

looks like you have no arguments. looks like you lost. just pack up and go back 2 reddit, kid. you got blown the fuck out

>>133054981
>muh rate is falling faster
Why is this such a popular argument in this thread?? It's easy to lower your homicide rate when it's already 56x higher than that of Australia.

>>133055075
>any crazy can grab a gun and pull the trigger
It's actually not so easy, in the USA you have to pass a background check or find someone to sell it to you (legally or otherwise) and then actually know how to shoot. Most criminals are terrible shots.
It's worth noting in Canada they just make you take a test and wait for a while. Not really all that effective unless you think you can get rid of all guns.

owning a firearm isn't a deeply held religious ideology

>>133055322
where the fuck are your sources for any of your "arguments" ?? ? ?? ?

you don't have any? AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAAHA AHAH HAA

you lost. just leave

>>133048983
Yeah, I'm sure there will be no way to hack the guidance system, override it, and send an unmanned twelve ton semi into a crowd at 60 miles per hour. Achmed won't even have to be driving. He can do it with a burner phone with internet access and his laptop.

>>133055322
here's the melbourne study bro, take a look and make up your own mind:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths

>>133055054
The Right wing keeps using terms like "inner city" as racist code words. No denying that niggers have a higher crime rate, statistics show this. No need to beat around the bush, this is /pol/

Still, niggers are already here. What are you gonna do about it?

>>133055519
where the fuck are your sources for any of your "arguments" ?? ? ?? ?

>>133055441
Soon we'll have bracelets that don't let us run for fear of tripping and falling.
Or just CCTV spying on us like the UK.

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>>133025217
nobody likes dunecoons

Everyone loves guns

>>133055552
Literally just crime statistics. Dumb fucking taco monkey.

>>133025217
hey retard cant u understand that its the muslim culture we dont want. i dont give a fuck about terror attacks you fucking manlet

>>133025217
That's an intentionally misleading binary. I don't want to ban all Muslims because just a few of them are terrorists, I want to ban all muslims because the data shows they have disgusting attitudes about public policy. They want to stone gays and women. They want to impose their way of life on foreign powers that they have no sovereignty over. And most believe that if you are not a Muslim terrible things should happen to you. You can read the exact numbers of these disgusting views here.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

TLDR: you're intentionally boiling down the argument to a simple binary to misrepresent it.

>>133055519
Legalize drugs dude. I don't like drugs, but it's the only real answer. So much of our crime is because of it.
I think the black community can be cured. This is America's punishment for Jim crow.

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>>133055273
Lol you provided misleading sources. Pic relates is more relevant, faggot.

>muh jew owned slave ships
What about all the southern Baptist slave owners? Karmic justice for the Jews was the Holocaust, and are you seriously implying Africa doesn't experience karmic justice on a daily basis?

>>133033719
>He opens the fucking valve by hand
what the fuck? how is he still alive?

>>133055356
Or you can go to a gun show with cash and leave the same day with an AR

>>133025217
Never seen a Muslim stop a mass shooting/terrorist attack. Guns on the other hand...

>>133055610
Hickok45 slaughters and oppresses 2 liter bottles.
End the 2 liter bottle genocide.

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>>133055662
>Dumb fucking taco monkey.
he is trying to argue against crime stats you dumb nigger. gj hiding your flag, leaf
>>133055789
>Lol you provided misleading sources.
why are you ignoring the other homicides that increased after the gun ban?

>What about all the southern Baptist slave owners?
stop deflecting.

>Karmic justice for the Jews was the Holocaust
the holocaust didn't happen

>and are you seriously implying Africa doesn't experience karmic justice on a daily basis?
they're the same shithole they've been since the beginning of time. only now they get gibs from white cucks

looks like you got BTFO yet again

>>133055864
Yes that is POSSIBLE but which mass shooter has actually acquired the gun that way?
Show up to one muttering about jihad and see if someone will still sell to you.

>>133027951
With genetic superiority comes the burden of leading society. That is not a privilege.

>>133055395
Dude just Google the most recent homicide rates per capita for each country. It's not secret information, it's publicly available from multiple sources. It's not my job to do your research for you, puto. If the numbers i present are incorrect in some way, feel free to correct me

>>133056183
>Dude just Google the most recent homicide rates per capita for each country
so you admit that you cannot provide any sources?

you lost.

>>133055441
Trucks are necessary for modern commerce to function. Guns are not.

>>133056094
>the holocaust didn't happen

It's nice when crazy people expose themselves. Saves so much time arguing.

>>133056094
sorry im lazy and assumed you were arguing something else my bad

>>133055771
This, honestly.

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>>133056348
>he believes in the Kike Toss Games
top fucking kek

>>133025217
The right to bare Muslims isn't in the constitution

>>133056348
here is one question I have for you and I hope you don't ignore it like every other difficult question that was asked of you:

If the holocaust happened then why is it illegal to even question it in israel and eurocuckland? Doesn't the truth fear no investigation?

>>133056416

Honest question: how did you become this way? Do you have any diagnosed mental illnesses for which you are not taking any medication?

>>133031689
But to play devil's advocate, the constitution also says that congress shall make no law regarding religion.

>>133055948
I'm not advocating for a gun buyback in the US. It would be an ideal situation, but it is not feasible with the sheer number of guns in this country.

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>>133056557
>ad hominem
not an argument.

do you believe in the holocoaster? reminder that all of these stories were used as "evidence" against nazis in post-war trials and are officially accepted records of the holocaust

>>133049078
Yes. The point of shooting an attacker is to get them to stop doing whatever it is their doing. Firearms aren't a magic talisman. "Shooting to wound" doesn't work. To stop a determined attacker, you have to disable them. This means either getting a central nervous system hit, or causing enough damage to the circulatory system that blood pressure drops quickly and they fall unconscious. Unfortunately for the attacker the things you can do to stop them are also generally lethal. If you are a 100 lb woman fending off a 200 lb man, this is really your only option. Disparity of force is so great that no amount of skill will make up for the difference in raw power. Pepper spray and tazers (which are often banned along with firearms) are unreliable. Currently a firearm remains the most effective defense available to someone at a distinct physical disadvantage.

>>133025217
The second amendment is about keeping the populace armed in case a tyrannical government rises, not keeping people safe.

>>133056524

I disagree with making the very mention of doubt illegal simply because I believe even morons should have the right to speak their misguided doubts freely. However that matter is completely unrelated to whether or not the event happen, which it most certainly did. You have to be truly incapable of reason or totally brainwashed if you doubt the event occurred.

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>>133056795
>which it most certainly did.
then why is it illegal to question it?

>You have to be truly incapable of reason or totally brainwashed if you doubt the event occurred.
ad hominem. not an argument

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ah the commie simpleton
my favorite type
gun save lives
98% life taking terrorists are muslim
BTFO!

>>133056094
>he is trying to argue against crime statistics
No, niggers commit more crime I already said this multiple times you dumb faggot. I am saying that nigger crime rates are karmic justice for enslavement.

>Christians owning slaves is irrelevant, because jews owned the slave ships
I don't understand this logic.

>the holocaust never happened
Thats for another thread.

>Africa is in the same place now as ever
Except now there's AIDS.

>>133028022
Wrong, It's not about banning them, its about being able to prosecute the pervs who are caught. Trannies who can "pass" shouldn't have a problem using the restroom and getting out. This is about pervs using the other genders restroom because it is legal and nothing can be done about it.

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>>133056795
If you can provide me with a single picture of a gas chamber full of dying / dead people, I'll believe that the Holocauster (TM) happened.

Until then... fuck you.

>>133056693

I know it's not an argument, your position is so absurd it doesn't deserve any serious investigation or response on my part. You might as well be sitting there trying to tell me that Star Wars is an actual historical account an ancient war. It can be discarded offhand with no argument.

>>133056955
you are so bad at this it's embarrassing to watch

>>133056116
>it hasn't happened yet, that means it'll never happen

My point stands. It's MUCH easier to acquire a gun than to construct explosives and use them effectively without killing yourself.

>>133057060
>your position is so absurd
you provide 0 evidence

>You might as well be sitting there trying to tell me that Star Wars is an actual historical account
logical fallacy. argument from absurdity

>It can be discarded offhand with no argument.
logical fallacy. is/ought fallacy

are logical fallacies the only language you speak?

>>133055864
You won't be buying that AR at a booth. Maybe in the parking lot. But that practice(private sales) happens with or without a gun show to loophole

>>133025217
We're not obligated to take in the world's trash.

The government is obligated to follow the constitution or change it.

>>133333333

>>133056278
You are too lazy to Google crime statistics? Shouldn't it be easy enough to prove me wrong?

>>133057031
No you, because conspiritards by definition will always ask more evidence, even in the face of insurmountable evidence. Even in a make believe world where I DID have the picture you ask for, you would still doubt me because that's how your fucked up brains function. You have a mental illness.

>>133057323
why don't you provide your own evidence?

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>>133031015

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>>133025217

>>133057371
>conspiritards
ad hominem

>even in the face of insurmountable evidence
begging the question

>Even in a make believe world where I DID have the picture you ask for
why can you provide no evidence?

>that's how your fucked up brains function. You have a mental illness.
ad hominem

holy shit you really do ONLY speak in logical fallacies

>>133057230
>logical fallacy. argument from absurdity

Good! So you understand your position. The only response your absurd position merits is ridicule and humiliation. If nothing else, maybe shame will move you toward the truth.

Sorry, you haven't convinced me that our nation should take in shitskins from every pesthole in the world.

Also, kys you FUCKING KIKE.

>>133025217
It's not about their religion, faggot. They aren't white and don't belong in white countries. We have absolutely no obligation to let them in.

>>133056763
>pepper spray is unreliable
>has never used Bear Mace
Pepper spray is pretty effective, especially if you don't want to kill people.

>>133057529
>The only response your absurd position merits is ridicule and humiliation
still providing 0 evidence

lefty mind games don't work on me.

>>133057487

You're right! Because, as I said, your position doesn't warrant any serious or thoughtful response. Somewhere in your life you became lost, and you deserve to be insulted for it.

>>133025217
Nice logic fallacy. One of those is promised in the US Constitution. Show me a single piece of legislation that has suggested banning every Muslim from entering the US.

>>133054742
Show race because, white homicide in America is nearly the equivalent to European counterparts even though we have access to guns and gun owners are mostly white.

>>133057612
It's a 50/50 shot. Literally half the US population is unaffected by it. same goes for tazers

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>>133057712
provide evidence, faggot

>>133057644

It's not a mind game. I'm calling you a fucking retard.

>>133057069
Then stop replying.

>>133050334
What's ironic is that cops used to carry Billy clubs, and ash trunchon with a lead core. An expert with the Billy club could break a wrist or render someone unconscious with a deft flick of the wrist. At some point Billy clubs and other small clubs were deemed uncivilized. So now cops are reduced to just shooting people.

>>133025217
>leave gun alone, it does nothing
>leave muslim alone, it blows up
Really activating

>>133057278
Are you trying to convince me how difficult it is to obtain firearms in America?

>>133057712
>your position doesn't warrant any serious or thoughtful response
this tells me everything I need to know

I hope some day you question all of those things planted into your head since grade school

>>133057386
Because the facts are readily available for anyone to find out for himself if he isn't a lazy degenerate beaner. If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong.

>>133057945
Asp is far more effective. And the reason night sticks aren't a thing anymore is Rodney King. Billy clubs were old school.

>>133057946
kek

>>133050599
What if he's better than you? What if he outweighs you by fifty pounds and is strong as Hell?