Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?

>>133012756
because it sucks being 100% wrong 100% of the time

Puberty only lasts so long.

When everyone treads on you for being white, it's time to support some sort of fascism. Then we'll go back to libertarianism.

You don't have enough rounds and enough guns to fend off what's coming for us, even if you mortgaged your house and bought an entire stockpile of it.

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>>133012756
Because liberty is an intersocial value.

>>133012756
Because while libertarianism is the ideal, its rather obvious that the populace wants authoritarianism. If you can't beat them, then you may as well push the type of authoritarianism you can live with and benefit from.

You're question is anecdotal in nature so you'll get that kind of answer in return.

>libertarians can't appreciate liberties without a homeland. When a homeland is swarmed with other people who demand their liberties take prece over your own because of how to heir own homeland taught them, your libertarian thinking becomes reactionary to the threat posed by the invader for stepping on your perceived rights and freedoms

>pakis imposing sharia zones on a native population in Europe.

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Mainly because minorities and anti-whites don't respect the ideal of libertarianism, and libertarians have no way to fight this aside from full on physical removal and helicopter rides.

A 1st world country with open borders will never be libertarian.

>>133012756
Because we're being tread on. We wouldn't be otherwise.

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because they're incurable retards

>>133012756
Because a libertarian society in modern day America would not be able to function

>>133012756

It's called paleolibertarian. Alt-right is about style.

>>133013615
>this
demographics come to mind

>>133012756

libertarianism is the cucks last ideology before going full nationalist.

that and Gary Johnson

>>133012756
It's the natural process. Your ideals and principles are only possible in a culture and environment where there is high social trust, intellectual honesty and concepts like law are valued. As your country starts to look more and more like a 3rd world country, it's time to re-evaluate your stance according to demographic realities. When your principles on liberty degrade to the point of arguing against laws like Stop and Frisk because the cities have degenerated so badly that laws like Stop and Frisk actually become helpful to preventing crime, it's time to re-evaluate your principles according to political realities. I still value libertarian ideals. But these ideals will die in time if we don't take a stand now.

libertarianism as a whole is too idealistic to actually function, similar to gommunism.

in a perfect world, they'd both make great little countries but they both discount too much the vagaries of human nature

>>133012756
Because left becomes more and more communist.

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Everyone either hates freedom or doesn't understand what freedom is. Libertarianism has always been a dying movement.

>>133012756
It's not them becomes more authoritative, it's them realizing they are being threaded on all the time and asking politely didn't work.

>>133012756
because its easier to compromise on rules than expect everyone to be rational with that much freedom

>>133012756
Libertarian is Utopian like Communism. Both systems claim that the human can be moral the vast majority of the time. This is the opposite of the truth which was once called the Sinful Nature of Man. (The major religions used to preach against sin but then they got tempted by money and stopped mentioning sin. Funny how that works.)

Anarchy is in a similar boat. If humans were innately moral, it would work. Because humans are innately selfish none of the Utopian societies can last very long. Someone will always bend the rules a little, then a little more, and so on until fair play is a joke.

That's why the sour Lefties got Trump and not Johnson.

>>133016751
>Everyone either hates slave morality or doesn't understand what slave morality is.

someone post that snake and boot pic

>>133012756

Because Libertarians demographics are made up mostly white men who value competition and personal responsibility. Everything that the current plague of Cultural Marxists and Zionists seek to eliminate and destroy. Many are moving away from the mainstream libertarian platform because it cucks itself trying to appeal to hostile elements on the left that seeks to destroy it by promoting open borders and degeneracy, instead of focusing on the economy. Libertarianism is supposed to be a very right wing philosophy that is Darwinistic nature. It promotes Classical Liberalism and individual freedom, but under the pretense that degenerate behavior is product of a welfare state and wouldn't be subsidized in a free market society.

>>133012756
Ayn Rand all but uses the word "cuckservative" throughout the novels but even she acknowledges that the base conservatism is operating from is a valid one. Unlike progressiveism, both of which are manners in which to regard Liberalism. Liberalism is flawed compared to Objectivism but if enacted properly Liberalism at least has it's merits.
Liberalism being "left" and opposed to conservatism is to misunderstand (and many """report""" on this misunderstanding purposefully) the nature of these terms. In the past "Liberalism" was used as shorthand to what was actually meant: "more liberal action" "liberal progress never slowing". Now we have the term "Progressive" which reflects the actual interplay of terminologies going on. The left of old essentially claimed the mantle of ""Liberalism"" to imply their opposition wasn't. Even the right fell for this. The truth is that both are Liberal; just that in the left's case they are Progressive Liberals. Which in reality is falsely Liberal.
The thing Conservatives are trying to *conserve* is Classical Liberalism. Which is to say the liberalism of the founding fathers. We Conservatives know that Liberalism has two forms: conserving liberal values, and progressing liberal values. We Conservatives also know that activism is a bell-curve on a graph; that on that graph there is such a thing as too much activism and that more and more of it starts to degrade society where previously it improved it. The Progressive (which is to say wrong) view of Liberalism is that activism for it must keep going more and more never stopping. The Conservative view of Liberalism states that the "sweet spot" can be reached and once activism starts to go too far and starts to harm, we must then conserve the best, provably working, amount of perfect realistic Liberalism.

The only "progression" that ever properly occurred in Liberalism was the civil rights movement and Ayn Rand's completion of the only flaw in the founding father's creation.

>>133013615

Whites don't respect the ideal of libertarianism either.

>A 1st world country with open borders will never be libertarian.

And a 1st world country with closed borders is even less likely to become libertarian.

>>133012756
Cause most of us are tired of Left-wing "libertarians" cucks like Gary Johnson and almost 100% of the Libertarian Party

>>133012756
Libertarianism is a great idea but can not be put into work while half the country is leeching liberal faggots. A strong right wing is the only way to protect the nation. Libertarianism is just a fairy tale.

>>133012756
Sometimes you need to dole out fascism to get your liberty back.

>>133012756
>Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?
Can you explain to me what a Libertarian would find attractive about the contemporary left?

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>>133012756

Because many people don't have convictions. The very premise of the alt-right - that you owe something to your in-group, your ethnicity - is fundamentally contradictory to libertarian theory.

"Libertarians" who abandon that for the comforts of group identity politics have no integrity.

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>>133012756
We don't. Idiot.

We become Ancaps.
Because there's a point at which your tired of asking nicely to not be tread on

>>133021792
>implying ancaps matter at all.

>>133021700
>The very premise of the alt-right - that you owe something to your in-group, your ethnicity - is fundamentally contradictory to libertarian theory.
Correct/ But making the choice to give something to your in group, your ethnicity, is completely sound within "Libertarian Theory."

>>133012756
Conservative and libertarian the same thing. I don't see how WN's are conservative.

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>>133016751
There is a reason people mock lolbertariansim. They detect, whether they realize it or not, what Libertarianism is missing. The questions it doesn't even try to answer.
Libertarianism is incomplete Objectivism. Objectivism without the epistemology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erytcpYpzRk
Objectivism is Nationalist, Capitalist, Individualist, Egoist, Libertarian, Minarchist, and Meritocratic all rolled into one.

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>>133021911

Yes, but you don't "choose" to do that in the alt-right ideal world. It is taken from you "for the greater good" of your in-group. It is a purely authoritarian philosophy, the opposite of libertarian.

>>133012756
Evolution.

because open borders don't work in reality

>>133012756
Because big name libertarians started pandering non-stop to liberals by screaming how much they love drugs, homosexuality and immigrants. The liberals then shit and stomp their faces without missing a beat.
Most people don't want to follow, or even associate with, such huge fools

>>133012756
Because a white country is the only place where libertarianism would work. non-whites tend to be stupid (excluding Asians and (((Jews)))) and violent, and they want a big, wasteful government that will provide for them while they sit on their ass smoking weed and doing cocaine.

>>133021792
LfCap>AnCap because
Minarchism>Anarchism because
Objective law>Polycentric law

>>133022112

Thank you for this

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>>133012756
Because, eventually we realize that our ideology provides the perfect circumstances for the rise of an ultra Authoritarian government, NAP or not.

>>133022329

If you think this then you aren't Alt-Right. There is nothing inherent in the genetics of whiteness that makes people good or bad. It is true that white people tend to be more compatible with a free-market, limited-government society, but that's an outgrowth of culture not biology necessarily (maybe a bit taking IQ into account). Even so, the primary for determining who is good and bad, what is just and unjust, are the actions of people not their characteristics.

The Alt-Right asserts that "whiteness" somehow mystically confers goodness on people, and therefore you as a white person can be coerced to provide for other white peoples' benefit. They are white niggers, pure and simple.

>>133022112
>Yes, but you don't "choose" to do that in the alt-right ideal world
I don't know if I disagree or agree with that because I always thought the AltRight was more of a derogatory term made up by Hillary rather than an accurate description of a massive wave of hundreds of millions of right wing thinkers and voters worldwide.
> It is taken from you "for the greater good" of your in-group. It is a purely authoritarian philosophy, the opposite of libertarian.
If your veiw of the AltRight is correct I'd tend to agree with that.
But remember, a Libertarian can make the choice to submit to Authoritarian rule, if you take that away, than Libertarian Theory itself becomes Authoritarian and the contradictions roll ad infinitum.

>>133014147
Agreed

I thought I was a libertarian until I followed multiple libertarian pages and realized being a libertarian is 40% Rand Paul/Justin Amash hero worship, 10% discussion of ideas that would change the world for the better, and 50% trying to persuade the raging anarchist morons to settle down so everyone doesn't look stupid by association.

Upside: I finally understand how Gary Johnson happened

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>>133022329

White people are as dumb and violent as anybody else, if not more so. The idea that white people are more libertarian than other races has no basis in reality.

>>133012756
Bandwagon cuckolds who move onto the next popular movement. Literally, that's all they are. These people are like NPCs.

>>133012756
nice presupposition
property and liberty are the ultimate, everything else is decorum as far as I'm concerned

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I'm far right, I just like SNEK and to me it just means hippity hoppity get off my property.

>>133012756
Borders.

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>>133022789

By definition, as put into words by the philosophical leaders of the modern alt-right, the Alt-Right is an ethnocentric movement. It believes your ethnic identity is paramount, and that states should be designed around that as havens for your genetic heritage.

Libertarians reject this, because to us your genetics, your ethnicity, are irrelevant. Your actions are all that matter. Objectively, that means that a white person who steals is just as bad as a black person who does. It also means that if 99% of thieves are black, then 99% of blacks should be in prison. The same is true for the opposite - that if 99% of white people were thieves they'd be in prison, too. Ethnicity has nothing to do with justice, and is irrelevant to politics.

People conflate angry conservatives with Alt-Right because they don't know where to put them, but alt-right is what it is. It's an ethnocentric movement by definition.

>>133022811
>doesn't understand IQ
>doesn't understand crime rates.

People understand that the rest of the world doesn't play by rational rules of civilization, so you have to stomp them to make them go away.

>>133022811

>no basis in reality
>claims white people commit the same amount of crime per capita as niggers
>equates warfare against a hostile foreign power and military with crime

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>>133023207
A libertarian who is pro-open borders is a fucking leftie and you shouldn't trust them, they are commies.

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>>133012756

>>133012756
what is "alt-right"?

Because while Libertarianism is the ideal, the current political and social climate does not allow for it.

In principle I'm a libertarian, but practically in the current year, far-right politics are the necessary correction to a system that has gone astray.

>>133012756
Libertarians must be conservative, to paraphrase Hans Herman Hoppe. It is intrinsic to them.

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>>133023691

>>133023547

Untrue.

A Mexican immigrant who comes to the US to work, to earn, and not to take from others is a better member of society than a white nigger on welfare, period.

Borders are important because we want to be selective with who we decide to admit to our society - the ambitious and productive people - and filter out the collectivist moochers. They are not important as lines to dictate where one ethnicity ends and the other begins.

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>>133023547
borders are implied and aliens are discriminated against, there is literally no other reason for aliens to try to come unless they have a death wish

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>>133023794

>>133012756
Because their belief system is so easily exposed, leaving them only with the choice to either abandon their fantasy of being Elon Musk and become left-libertarian, or become a little Eichmann. They typically choose the last.

>>133023294
>philosophical leaders
>alt-right

Don't flatter yourself, dum dum.

Libertarian is a branch of conservatism.

>>133023850

>didn't read the post
>anarcho-communist

yep, checks out

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>>133012756
because they are fags

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snek thread eh, lets do this

>>133023786
>White man on welfare
>Mexin immigrant who comes to the US to work, earn.

Look at statistics.

I went from conservative to libertarian, so It's not really a one way street.

they don't want the geto to grow

>>133024424
can we not make this into a snek thread?

Still libertarian. Allying with right wing temporarily to preserve liberty.
Just like I'd be on hippy left wing side on Vietnam war

>>133024264

I don't deny statistics, the point is WHY you are turning away immigrants.

If you are turning them away because they aren't white, then you are asserting "whiteness" as the determinant of virtue.

If you are turning them away because they fundamentally disagree with our social standards, that no man can claim the property of another - then you are citing actions as the determinant of virtue.

The former is the Alt-Right mode of thought, the latter is libertarian.

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>>133024426
You will turn into a conservative libertarian at one point or another.

>>133023511

If you don't understand that government violence is criminal, then you're not a libertarian. Sure, non-whites might commit more private crime, but it's white people in government who are robbing trillions of dollars of income from Americans every year through taxes. Police officers are the ones threatening us with prison if we don't conform to the government's thousands of laws. It's thugs in the US military who are the ones bombing and murdering innocent people in wars every year.

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>>133024539
it too late

>>133023851

Not at all. Conservatism is inherently anti-libertarian.

>>133023547

Closed-borders "libertarians" are ipso facto not libertarian. Enforcing borders and immigration laws involves the initiation of violence.

>>133012756
>Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?
Because of the realization that low IQ shitskins will never understand or share the values that made the West great. Thus, universal suffrage is a mistake. Universal suffrage was introduced in most of the West in the 1910s, in the USA it only arrived in 1965. It is a very recent development and it has led to the destruction of the Western world. This is the bitterest pill.

Only white educated male taxpayers should vote as in the good old days.

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Because we're TIRED on our race being trampled upon. To arms, brothers.

>>133024734
"libertarians must be radical and uncompromising conservatives" - Hans-Hermann Hoppe

>>133012756
Because legit nobody listens to Libertarians in this country and the entire party is seen as retarded. Alt right is a meme, and most Libertarians only become 'conservative' so that their votes can count. The libertarian candidate for the 2016 election quickly gained a reputation for being a hardcore nutter.

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>>133012756
Surprised no one's posted this yet. Enjoy.

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>>133022496
Slavery>Freedom
Murder>Life
Conflict>Peace

kill yourself

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>>133012756

Because we will never have liberty until we start taking the NAP seriously and exterminate every last fucking leftist.

>>133024912

Hoppeanism is not libertarian. Hoppeans are right-wing versions of campus SJW

>>133024870

But can't you make a distinction between domestic policies and non-domestic ones? What if you support libertarianism for the nation, but that doesn't extend to outsiders?

>>133024630

>war

When another nation, it's government and its people threaten your peaceful existence it is your moral right to destroy them and achieve victory by any means necessary. The moral fault lies with the aggressor.

>White people robbing through government
Agreed, which is why libertarians are for limited government. Dumbass.

>Police
Laws exist to protect the negative rights of individuals - ie, life liberty and property. Police exist to enforce them. Laws which are created without this purpose in mind represent government overreach and should be repealed. If you think police enforcing laws like arresting vandals is unjust, you are a nigger.

>military
If the government is conducting a war for any reason other than defending our survival, then I'd agree with you. it sounds to me, though, like you consider any act of warfare criminal, in which case you are retarded. The welfare of foreign citizens is the domain of their own government, not ours or our people's. If their government poses a threat to our existence, then the only moral obligation of our is to defeat them and remove the threat, civilians be damned.

>>133022112
Actually, it is a choice either way, given you can move to a country that supports your ideal these days.

Unless you're super poor, and even then you can manage a go-fund-me if you cry enough.

>>133013258
This. We are being forced to choose between 2 tyrants...one wants to exterminate us, the other to exterminate our opposition. Its a no brainer, really.

>>133025134
Can you make an argument please?

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>>133024995

>>133025312
the horror

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>>133025309
no post snek

>>133012756
Because alt-right is just social libertarianism. Who cares that fags roam the street when we got Mah Fwee Mawkets right?

>>133025309

Where's your argument? You provided no supporting statements for your quote.

>>133025410
go snuff out your best and brightest, that'll help your faggot nation immensely, faggot

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>>133012756
Because they realized that the only reason they actually want less government and less wealth redistribution is because we live in a jew-run society that takes peoples wealth and gives it to niggers and other shitskins that abuse the system and use the social safety net as a welfare hammock. And they realized that the only way to actually achieve what they want is to get rid of all niggers, jews, beaners, and other shitskins.

>>133024601
I'm turning them away because most are useless parasites. I never said 100% closed borders just not open borders. I mean the end of socialism would solve that problem.
Also I don't like niggers, but that's not exactly an argument.
>>133024426
To help speed up your redpill proccess, watch Radical Agenda at ChristopherCantwell.com

>>133025113
This.

Same reason why raw foodists would eat canned food, when there is no raw food around.

Liberty is based on consciousness and responsibility of the individual. If consciousness is low, government is a good thing to keep people in check.
If consciousness is high, government is bad because it holds people back.
At this point, if you abolish government, you'll end up like a third world shit tier country.

But just look at the german riots right now. The police didn't save any shop, everything got destroyed, nobody got arrested. So much about "government protects you".

Libertarianism embraces responsibility, which means you have to take care of your security yourself. If you don't want to get robbed, buy a weapon, learn to shoot and defend yourself.

Police does a lot of immoral shit, but without police it would be far worse right now. You have to make things better in a productive way, not just by destroying everything.

It's like drawing your first picture and destroying everything because it isn't perfect yet. You have to build it step by step and government is a step and only no more needed, when people take care of themselves again.

>>133012756
They're confused about what the alt-right is. They think there's no real racism left, because there has been so much false outrage.

And there's tons of overlap between "conservatism" and libertarianism.

>>133025716
What if we had private security in every town?

Other than that I agree.

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>>133022496
>Objective
>law

>>133025642

If that's what you think, then you are fighting a strawman. Very few if any libertarians are for open borders because we know the welfare state exists. Unrestricted immigration would exacerbate that problem.

This is why libertarians are anti-welfare state. If there were no taxpayer-funded gimmies, then there would be no incentive to immigrate to the country unless you intended to earn wealth, not take it.

>>133012756
Because Liberals have violated the NAP.

As a Libertarian, it has become obvious that the only way to protect our way of life from encroachment is to remove liberals and others from society.

>>133012756
They get tread on.

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>>133025877
NO STEP

>>133025548
I gave the name, and I gave the quote. A quick google search will show the whole thing.

But you don't want to do that, so I guess I'll make an elementary level argument that you'll understand. Libertarians want to restore property rights; conservatives believe in private property, and "liberals" (the left) want to destroy property rights.

>>133025774

There's no overlap between convervatism and libertarianism. Conservatives are authoritarians through and through.

>>133024870
>Enforcing borders and immigration laws involves the initiation of violence.

Top kek libertarianism is kill.

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>>133012756
It's just part of growing up

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>>133012756
When your entire political belief system can be blown the fuck out by "NO ROADZ" then it's not surprising.

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>>133026016

>this is what memers actually believe

>>133012756
Literally the only difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the attitude taken towards national defense.

>>133025870
https://fee.org/articles/why-free-immigration-is-the-moderate-common-sense-position/
>strawman

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>>133012756
>join ANCAP forum
>learn who is fucking up America
>federal reserve
>banks
>politicians
>media
>look one step further
>federal reserve: owned by jews
>private banks: owned by jews
>politicians: owned by jews
>media: owned by jews

That is what it is. Commies, ANCAPS, socialist, they all see the tentacles but they never see the head.

Once they do there is no unseeing it.

>>133021363
>Gary Johnson
>Left wing
The state of p*leo plebs.

>>133012756
Because they realize that libertarianism could never exist without a white ethnostate

>>133026315
>open border globalist
>not left wing
b-u-u-t he likes ow taxes!

70 fucking posts

The state of your life

>>133026355

Whites are probably less libertarian than non-whites on average.

>>133026233

Free immigration (free movement of people) is often regarded as one of the core concepts of libertarian theory and philosophy.[1][2] Some libertarians assert that: "Efforts by the government to manage the labor market are as apt to fail as similar efforts to protect domestic industries or orchestrate industrial policy. ... If an immigrant seeks to engage in peaceful, voluntary transactions that do not threaten the freedom or security of the native-born, the government should not interfere."[3]

Taking someone's property through wealth redistribution is a violation of their freedom. "Libertarians" who want open borders without first abolishing the welfare state want a cart before a horse.

>>133026165

Wrong. Conservatives have nothing in common with libertarianism.

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>>133026501
>freedom of movement is leftwing, not liberal.

>>133026658
Exactly this.

>>133012756
The libertarian fantasy requires natsoc morals and values to exist.
How can things become if you don't believe in them when they don't yet exist?

>>133023294
>To libertarians, biological determinism does not exist

Oh am I laffin , you should see what Rothbard had to say about David Duke. Race matters in right leaning libertarian circles , you are obviously a left leaning libertarian

>>133026774
each covenant, or local community of property owners discriminates as they see fit

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>>133026125
And who is going to build it? Who is going to pay for them? Who is going to maintain them? How? Who pays? How?

>>133012756
Speaking for myself, I realized that the only society in which libertarianism will have support is one comprised of people able and willing to contribute to society who do not desire to live off the backs of others, like a leech. This is demonstrably not achievable in a society that includes blacks or Muslims.

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>>133026125
Hey everyone! This retard here thinks the planning, construction, and maintenance of a transportation network to feed 300,000,000 is simpler than his explosion engine! He's also proud of changing the spark plugs of an apparatus perfected through a century of publicly funded scientific research,and hobbled by a few patent holder parasites.

Because most people become moderates overtime. Its why even pan-european nationalists in America become more conservative overtime. Generally the older a person becomes the less edgy and calmed a person becomes.

>>133021348
1790 America seemed hell more libertarian then now.

>>133012756
because current demographic trends make a libertarian order impossible.
Only whites give a sit about personal freedom.

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>>133012756
Hoppean snake

>>133026928

>roads did not exist before the magic of government created them

I was unaware that before the Federal government there were no roads in America.

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It's the natural evolution.

First the dogmas of inherent debt towards the less fortunate fall, mainly due to the exploration of the welfare system and loss of potential effort.

Then as time progresses, we realize the markets don't work the way they should and a few people are rigging the whole system, with agendas that despise individuality and the right of peoples to exist.

And so we lean towards a more transparent and collective way of organising society as in no effort is wasted in screwing other people up, while maintaining a meritocratic system.

>>133027009
B-b-but haven't you seen that dank black man in a trump hat??? This is why we bombed Dresden you STATIST FAGGOT

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>>133012756
Most people are lolberts because of nihilism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGqG3grTrg

Adolf Hitler - "They Said I Was A Dreamer"

>>133015164
Nicely put, or as /nu/pol would say, this.

>>133026605

Who's the one voting in politicians and supporting welfare programs? White people. It's white people who have initiated much of the government violence that exists nowadays. You, as a white person, are the one threatening violence against people who just want to exercise the right of free association. White people like you want to rob me to pay thugs to patrol the border and run around the country deporting people.

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>>133026982

>central planning created an efficient system of roads

shit, dude, let's just have that super-smart central government make everything! sounds like gravy

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Because when you step on the snake or try to step on it for long enough. It bites back

>>133026605
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

>What we believe in are private property rights. No one has “freedom of speech” on my property, since I set the rules, and in the last resort I can expel someone. He can say whatever he likes on his own property, and on the property of anyone who cares to listen to him, but not on mine.

>The same principle holds for freedom of movement. Libertarians do not believe in any such principle in the abstract. I do not have the right to wander into your house, or into your gated community, or into Disneyworld, or onto your private beach, or onto Jay-Z’s private island. As with “freedom of speech,” private property is the relevant factor here. I can move onto any property I myself own or whose owner wishes to have me. I cannot simply go wherever I like.

Also from the article:
>If every piece of land in a country were owned by some person, group, or corporation, this would mean that no person could enter unless invited to enter and allowed to rent or purchase property. A totally privatized country would be as closed as the particular property owners desire. It seems clear, then, that the regime of open borders that exists de facto in the U.S. and Western Europe really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas, and does not genuinely reflect the wishes of the proprietors.

>>133027245

No, there is the problem right there. Becase many white people vote for socialism does not make me responsible for their actions. We are not a collective unit. You don't get to pin the actions of others on me because we share a skin color. You truly are a nigger.

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>>133027072
>can't build roads
>plans to build time machine to make libertarianism work

>>133026605
>>133027409

Yes, this. There is nothing wrong with immigration by people who are invited, and who want to engage in voluntary exchange.

>>133027072
Have private entities ever created substantial infrastructure? No they haven't. Romans rise, roads are created. America rises, interstates are created.

Shitty dirt wagon tracks between cities and cobble stones within cities are not a functioning road system.

>>133027816
We don't need roads where we're going

>>133026318
This gif makes me cry

>>133027450

You want to use government violence against a board class of people just because some of them might use government services or accept welfare payments. You are just as guilty of collectivist thinking. The use of government services per se isn't even violent. The initiation of violence occurs when the government taxes you to pay for such services. So it's the native-born population, not the foreigners using the programs, who are the ones initiating violence.

>>133012756
We realise our freedom ideas can only be realised when commies are removed.

>>133027816

You are asserting that without a centralized authority infrastructure can't be built, or that because government has built it before, that is the only way it can be done. Both are false.

>>133027960

>You want to use government violence against a board class of people just because some of them might use government services or accept welfare payments

No, I don't. I don't believe in using any government action against "a broad class of people" and never said otherwise. The only exception might be warfare, since I don't believe it is incumbent on the defender to protect the civilian lives of the aggressor.

>>133023842
keked

>>133012756
Quite simply because libertarianism is an ideal that can only ever be realized in a white society. That's all there is to it. You have the choice of never having your ideal realized, or going along with white nationalism because then in the future it might be.

>>133027816
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States

Because "small government" was always code for, fuck brown people.

>>133028527
no gibs=no nigs

I was once into Libertarianism too, as a teenager. Once I got more real world experience and gazed into the abyss or whatever, I realized that it's a utopian ideal, like Anarchy or Communism, would never work, and that I have to stick with my own kind and enforce a system that only serves my kind.

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>"alt-right"
libertations are "alt-right"
thats just a name that the left put on the right to criticize them without targeting the whole party

just like the deplorables thing

also libertarians are far from conservatives

getting kind of tired of the left throwing around conservative to every single person

conservatives are religous and believe in the constitution and family values

libertarians believe in singular individualism with low or non existent taxation and personal land rights and self defense

at least learn a bit before you act like a uneducated democrat

>>133028651
You whites will eventually vote the gibs back in. The only reason the white working class even votes for "fiscal conservatives" is that they'd rather be ruled by the white business class than be equal with POC.

>>133027722
>the state stole our/someone's property
>we should give the state the authority to give everybody unlimited access to our/their property regardless of our/the owner's wishes.
You're arguing that freedom of movement is a core concept of libertarianism (or at least you said you were in >>133026605, now I'm not sure what you're arguing for.), which, as shown in >>133027409, is not actually a position that libertarians would take. In fact, it's anti-libertarian; the welfare state has nothing to do with the libertarian argument for closed borders.

>>133028992
>conservatives are religous

not necessarily

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>>133029010
minarchy is resilient and not conductive to your preferred lifestyle based on wealth redistribution
colored property owners living in peace and according to the rules will have no probs whatsoever

>>133025828
What's the problem here?

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>>133012941
the alt-right is filled with emotional manlets that never went through puberty

>>133029124
yes they are

the whole idea of conservatism is to conserve the past morals

christianity is one of the big factors in americas upbringing

they are at the end of the right spectrum

>>133029363
>he says while posting weebshit

irony

>>133026645
why haven't you answered
>>133025985

>>133029254
Most of us actually want to launch more businesses and support businesses created by our own.

>>133029460
>implying the rabbit hole doesn't lead to radical traditionalism to pre-Christian times

I'm an agnostic (with theist leaning) """"conservative"""""

>>133026277
Checked and keked.

This and Maritime Law win.

>>133029539
that's admirable and completely natural that birds of feather flock together

>>133029572
you are not a conservatist then

that is a new age political belief

>>133029717
>you can only be conservative if you're a christian

I recognize the contributions of religion I'm just not personally involved

did you just get out of your first poli sci class or something? you're spewing bullshit

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>>133026982
>Centrally planned governments
>feed 300,000,000

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>>133026315
Gary Cuckson is a fucking leftist globalist SJW.

>>133029851
conservatists are constantly portrayed as behind the times because of their beliefs

your beliefs are not in line with conservatists

dont be offended you are still a repub

Because we were treaded on....

>>133026982
So, you are making the argument that hundreds of millions of people working together via a free market can't figure out something that a dozen corrupt lawyers in government can. Makes perfect sense retard.

>>133029967
Wew everyone on this board is so reactionist even classic liberals seem like progressives.

>>133028992
Many conservatives are libertarians as well. They just use the title conservatives rather then libertarian. In the USA being conservative means conserving the most libertarian country to ever exist in modern time. The Neocons and religious authoritarians tried to hijack the US right in the 1990s which is why libertarians seem different. Libertarians need to take full control of the US right.

>>133030026
>conservatists

my bad I'm dealing with a retard making up words now

>>133012756
Because they grow beyond worshiping their own buttholes and find solace in life everlasting through glory that only the alt right can provide.

>>133030559
you seem to forget that conservatism is the minority of the repub party

the majority of people who identify as a conservatist are elderly men who are religous

they want to return to the greater days and to prevent changing times

conservatist were not the cool kids on the block and never will be

they sure do make a good target for the left though and thats why we are talking about them so much this past election even though they are a minority of the party

real conservatives are god fearing and humble and you will not find a real one on 4chan

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>>133030327
>Gary Johnson
>Classic liberal
Nop.

Even if it's true, someone who sell the NAP for "equallity" and "social justice" is NOT a libertarian.

>>133012756
Because once they open up to the truth, to critical thinking, to questioning any and all authority, then they only need the perseverance and experience to see where we stand in the world.

Then you realize we need to take action to protect ourselves, our future generations, and our way of life.


I made this transition myself.

>>133012756
>Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?
Because people eventually grow up.

Liberal media gives free national media coverage to the alt right. Something they haven't had in decades. Exposure is money.

>>133012756
Because being a libertarian is allowing for the parasites to root themselves into society. You need to be more authoritarian at times, not to the extreme, but when reasonable.

Because that is the progression of meme ideologies.

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>>133012756
You wish, faggot.

>>133031484
Sometimes commies need to be given free helicopter rides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTfggxMnFdI

>>133012756
because libertarian-ism is the communism of the right side of the spectrum,
>sounds amazing on paper
>sucks in real life

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I became libertarian in a way because of the altright.
coming from the old right/fascism I am now all for free markets after talking to conservative libertarians, which I probably never had met without the altright.

>>133031675
>because NatSoc is the communism of the right side of the spectrum,
>>sounds amazing on paper
>>sucks in real life

Fixed.

>>133012756
Because libertarianism would work fine in an all white society. Alt-libertarians are defending the interests of their children rather than pretending that nigs will ever be lovers of freedom.

>>133032407
>But but muh natsoc is not real socialism
every commie ever

>>133012756
because libertarianism is a personal ideology that can only exist withing a conservative government.
my point is they're not mutually exclusive but actually symbiotic.
problem is most people tend to mistake libertarianism as a possible form of government, it can't in the world today, maybe if you eliminate 80% of the worlds population it can but otherwise it simply can't be applied to anything besides on a personal level or small groups of individuals.

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>>133029010
The only thing you niggers deserve is a one way ticket to the gas chambers, followed by a side of public lynchings.