Humanity in space

>>133005496

The sad truth is that unless there is some sort of ground-breaking discovery that completely changes our understanding of physics, interstellar travel is impossible.

>>133005497
Well, it's not impossible. But I can see how it is incredibly doubtful unless your ships are carrying millions of people and they're ran like a police state.

humans are a deeply flawed naturally evolved great ape, I think it will wait until humanity is surpassed, robots or genetically modified superhumans, or some new form of life using nanotechnology, something like that

>>133005497
it would take spaceships to be self-sustainable for hunderds of years, but it is possible

>>133005499
Transhumanism is probably further away than interstellar travel I feel. As it has all kinds of barriers aside technology.
And even then, I don't think hyper intelligent machines, who presumably have free-will of some sort, would be able to avoid the whole issue of "oh well it's been 1000 years, I really think I changed my mind about this whole thing'.

Maybe if we were able to "download" our minds somehow into a computer and transport them back to earth you could fix forget this whole thing entirely. But that's a whole different subject with entire ramifications of it's own.

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How does it feel knowing humanity will NEVER colonize space?

The only peoples capable of space exploration are quickly disappearing from earth(east asians and Europeans)

There will be so great leap into space.

>inb4 muh /pol/ bogeyman
You know i'm right.

The idea of some massive move to colonize space will never happen when 5% of the human population is busy trying to maintain some semblance of order and civilization. A Brazilian styled Europe/North America won't have the means or the national cohesion to do it.

Prove me wrong.

>>133005502
>There will be so great leap into space.
no*

>>133005502
>east asians
>dissapearing

>>133005504
Tell me about the east asian fertility rates.

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>>133005502
Do not derail the thread

>>133005505
>chinese is only spoken in China and it's the most spoken language on earth if counted by number of native speakers.
>literally had to start exporting people because they can't sustain them at home anymore

>>133005502
hehehehehe. did mods really move this to /pol/ over your brilliant post.

WHY ARE ALL THE FLAGS LIKE THAT.

EXPLAIN.

>>133005502
It's OK, just send Japan to space and Japan will find many good valuable minerals and rare metals on asteroids and kindly drop them down to earth for you

>>133005814
thread got moved from another board, newfag

>>133005814
thread moved by mods from another board you gay nigger from outer space

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>implying we can colonize space

nice meme OP.

>>133005496
Imagine colonialism and the scramble for Africa but replace Africa with Mars.

Someone tell Belgium that the Martians have 6 hands and rubber trees

>How the fuck can humanity become a space civilization without first having a centralized earth government?
Not possible. But we can build intelligent robots that could colonize space someday. How?
Robots can travel vast distances in space by going into 'sleep mode' then waking up at their destination. What would be a second to them, could mean millions of years to us.

>>133005938
>>133005965
OKAY COOL. THEY HAVE BEEN CONDEMNED TO OUR FUNHOLE.

LET'S ALL GO AHEAD AND SHIT UP THE THREAD NOW.

>>133006102
your funhole has been closed due to AIDS

/pol/ WHAT IS GLOBALIZATION IN THE CONTEXT OF SPACE COLONIZATION. EXPLAIN.

>>133005496

>What country would be mad enough to sent people out into space
The US and USSR did it and private companies are doing it. Why do you need a world government for space exploration anyways? You aren't breaking any space laws or anything.

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>>133005501
Transhumanism is only way of interstellar travel. Humans with 30 years of active life are not interested in the 300000 years space trips by design.


>would be able to avoid the whole issue of "oh well it's been 1000 years, I really think I changed my mind about this whole thing'.
If these 1000 years are .01% of their life, why not?

>>133006214
stop you are Canadian we get it

>>133006208
I ONLY GET GAY SEX. FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TESTED.

>>133006313
GET WHAT. I AM AMERICAN.

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>>133005496
This ***undisclosed*** inbound object will prevent us from further space exploration for quite a while.

>>133005496
What is wrong with the settlers breaking off into an independent state? If we here on Earth remain an ethical state we should still be able to remain allies. Much how USA and Britain became very close allies after the revolution.

Why force the settlers to remain a pawn of a world government that is far away and probably can't understand or appreciate their needs? I'm betting a world government would want to pillage the resources of the space settlers and only invest the minimum amount of resources back into the settlements themselves.

I like the idea of a space colony becoming its own independent nation/culture.

>>133006421
DIDN'T WE HAVE A THREAD ABOUT THIS. JUST LAST NIGHT.

YOU GUYS ALL FREAKED OUT. ABOUT LIGHTS IN THE SKY. AND IT TURNED OUT YOU WERE ALL SCREAMING. ABOUT THE PLANET VENUS. IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

Tell me, do you want a world government in terms of space exploration because you want the low IQ 3rd world to take some credit and not feel left out?

>>133006279
>Why do you need a world government for space exploration anyways?
What citizen can afford Apollo program? Only away to pay it off is to extort tax money from millions by state force.

Fun fact: in modern money Columbus expedition costed $2 millions. Real maeks you think.

>>133006421
Welcome to being debunked years ago

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>>133006499
all the retards claiming stupid space conspiracies actually know fuck all about Space. Who'd have thought?

>>133006499
I missed that thread last night. However that image is very old. It's now much, much closer. People are seeing it without a telescope now ...

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5c_1499494388

>>133005496
Ha, dude, it's not happening. It's impossible to travel anywhere within a human timespan without any sci-fi gimmick.

>>133006433
Exactly this.

It would only take one generation of being off-world for people to become radically different. It may even result in a superior form of governance or human relationship building not known on Earth that furthers the species.

>>133005496
Space travel won't happen. The matrix is too tempting. Look how long most people spend on their pc, phone, tablet etc. It's going to get more comfortable to spend your life permanently plugged in. Not enough people will have the will to give that up to travel to their deaths.

>>133006433
ISN'T THIS THE PLOT OF GUNDAM. ARE YOU SAYING THE PLOT OF GUNDAM.

>>133005496
>. Pretty much anyone who goes out into space past the asteroid belt is basically guaranteed to break off into an independent state, more so someone going interstellar.


fucking good. why do you act like its your goddamn right to own everyone?

are you a psychopath?

>>133006700
It was not and cannot be debunked. Sorry to break this news to you.

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>>133005497
>ground-breaking discovery that completely changes our understanding of physics,
Well lets start with "gravity"

Only faggot atheists believe in space. The earth is flat and 6000 years old. Fuck off you Darwin loving cuck niggers.

>>133005497
Nah we do it the old fashioned way just really slowly. Spend the next 100 years finding a suitable planet with James Webb, while at the same time extending human life to 1000 years. The life extension research part, however, has a side effect of being very bad for human rights

>>133006782
>puts her sunglasses over the camera
Nice larp

Wtf mods
Where did this thread come from?

>>133006782
THIS IS THAT THING. WHERE ICE CRYSTALS FORM IN THE SKY. IT'S NOT A SECOND PLANT.

EXPLAIN.

>>133006952
Go away Reddit.

>What country would be mad enough to sent people out into space? They'd know they stand no chance of keeping control over them. Pretty much anyone who goes out into space past the asteroid belt is basically guaranteed to break off into an independent state, more so someone going interstellar. So who would possible do this except for private entities basically kickstarting it for lack of a better word?

That's exactly the reason why space has been de-emphasised by all governments.

>>133006782
>>133007162
I MEAN NOT A SECOND SUN. OR A PLANET.

>>133006925
Enough will.

>>133007197
>1 POST BY THIS ID

>>133005496
Get behind America and reach for the stars then. We're not following anyone else.

>>133007205
> space has been de-emphasised by all governments.
Fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfmVzHZvkc

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>>133005496
>Interstellar distances - In Perspective
>Logarithmic scale

>>133005496
I hate to sound like a massive autust but its PROXIMA Centauri thats 4 light years away, NOT Alpha Centauri, which is about 50 light years away

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>>133007211
This Jupiter sized planet comes into our solar system every 3,657 years on average. It causes a crustal shift of our Earth.

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The resources needed to get a hold into space are not anywhere near the level of a full planet effort.

The US could do it for less than 0.5% of it's GDP for the next 50 years.

At that point we would have an orbital ring and a thriving heavy industry in space turning out habitats and inner system collection units to grab up everything everywhere.

>>133005496
>How the fuck can humanity become a space civilization without first having a centralized earth government?
Who cares what the rest of the world do. Our countries cannot agree or disagree that extinction of a sub-species of humans is good or bad...do you think they would work together for a better future? Fuck no. It seems like every man for themselves, why should we try to work together when all it will do is slow the process down.

>>133007926
BUT HOW. WHY. EXPLAIN HOW YOU KNOW THIS AND WHY PEOPLE DON'T.

>>133005496
OPERATION METEOR!

>>133005496
The most realistic "space colonization" that could happ would be asteroid belt mining. It would be nothing like you imagine ala Outland or Farscape, no miner colony, no space station, no monthly shuttle, no gold rush on Earth to force people to move out.

Some company would spend massive amount of money into national space program to make asteroids on Earth with automated probe. They would seek rate and precious metals like platinum or iridium for computer parts. So, no big Alien-like vessels transporting tons of iron ore.

Just more space stations orbiting aound Earth and maybe some intermediary space colonies inbetween Earth and the Asteroid belt and a lot more control center on the ground.

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It's not happening

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It's joke they took to far

>>133005497
untrue, we can easily colonize the entire galaxy with modern tech
it'll just take a really long fucking time to do so since you're going sublight

>>133008154
The real value isn't the melt price of the ore it's it's location and relative velocity.

If we are smelting ore from near Earth asteroids we have everything we need to build an orbital ring to lower the cost and effort of getting up to space and orbital speeds to lower than current train freight prices.

From that point the demand for iron takes off as construction material.

>>133005496
>lets genocide white people so we can put a blimp in space

no fuck off

when a south american country lauches a his own rocket into space
>french guayana
they dont count.
I took this because , whe humanity uniteds and advances more , by the time a latin country starts the space programs , the more developement country must have already developement ways to travel further and to colonize

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https://archive.org/details/kingsdethronedhi00hickrich

a history of the evolution of astronomy from the time of the roman empire up to the present day; showing it to be an amazing series of blunders founded upon an error made in the second century B.C.

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>>133008106
There was a long search for this and was finally discovered / confirmed on December 30th 1983. The President Ronald Reagan classified this so the media could not talk about it. The public forgot all about it.

>>133008784
EXPLAIN WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS.

>>133008352
Fucking video compression how does it work?

we can't colonize space because time runs differently in space.

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>>133008873
Look at the microphone monkey

>>133007972
>orbital ring
made of what ?

We only have the technology to make one around the Moon. Too many complication prevent us from building a space elevator on earth.

However there id no pratical reasons to go bacl to the moon. The helium3 argument is bullshit. Helium3-Helium3 is a much much less efficient fusion reaction than Deuterium-Tritium (which can be found on Earth).

No really, aside from reeooting thz asteroids on the Moon instead of Earth there is no reason to build anything there. And I don't see companies wanting to spend billions for a Moon base just to avoid loosing a few pounds of minerals because of Earth atmosphere reentry.

Venus is a pain in the ass just to explore. Mars bring nothing of value and everything on Jupiter's and Saturn's moons can be found here already. Why would you spend so much to extract oil from another planet ?

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>>133008924
WHAT. LIKE. DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME?

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So much wires in space

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>>133008850
Reagan was afraid the Annunaki, builders of the Pyramids, may return and enslave humans again. He didn't want to alarm the public.

https://youtu.be/iQxzWpy7PKg

>>133008850
why not

>>133005502
space has already been colonized.

>>133005496
>How the fuck can humanity become a space civilization without first having a centralized earth government?
Shitty bait, but I'll take it.
Dear total retard: We went to space in the first place without a centralized earth government.
Sincerely,
History you ought to fucking know already

>>133009189
IT'S VASTLY MORE PROFITABLE. TO WHIP HUMANITY INTO AN ANGRY WAR ECONOMY. WHY WOULD THE GOVERNMENT SACRIFICE THAT.

>>133009247
???????

>>133007926
>This Jupiter sized planet comes into our solar system every 3,657 years on average. It causes a crustal shift of our Earth.
The problem with this theory is that it's retarded and there's no evidence for it at all.

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>>133005497
>ground-breaking discovery that completely changes our understanding of physics
just a different cosmological model
https://www.jp-petit.org/science/f300/a301.htm

>>133007972
Exactly, we need to get up there first before China or Russia does and decides to make life hard on us.
Also first country up there will have a huge advantage over others. Maybe if we start mining and terraforming we'll have enough resources for our government to leave other countries the fuck alone and stop destabilizing them (not that we don't already).

>>133009025
>An object orbiting at 400km altitude and traveling at 27,000km/h has connectivity issues sufficient to cause a frame drop.

Fucking shocker eh? They really aren't doing a very job of faking this shit.

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have some cgi of earth and moon

>>133005502
the elites clearly arent interested in space
their agenda is total enslavement

Humanity can explore the stars without a one world government the idea of "humans need to unite to colonize space" is Jewish nononsense.

>>133005496

It won't happen because the globalists want to mix the Eurasian populations with 1.5 billion African niggers.

Nigger mixing won't allow mankind to achieve this.

You need to be highly civilized to achieve a higher tier of space faring civilization but mixing with niggers is going to set back the clock thousands of year in terms of human development.

>>133009103
Relative time passing for those in travel vs those on a stationary world. Read Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocide.

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>>133009546
they re doing a terrible job.

Fake material for a very stupid public

>>133009865
THAT ONLY HAPPENS AT RELATIVISTIC SPEEDS. NOT JUST BEING IN SPACE.

>>133009040
>made of what ?
Nickle iron.

>We only have the technology to make one around the Moon. Too many complication prevent us from building a space elevator on earth.
Well for a geosynchronous space elevator yes we don't have the material. But a orbital ring is just above most of the atmosphere and we can build that out of anything. The leads down to the earth would only be 80km to a few hundred km long and that can be built out of steel, or our current shitty graphene weave or few cm long carbon nano tubes weave.
~
Once you have your ring at orbital velocity then all you need to do is build the stationary pipe around it. Build and install that at orbital velocity at first but then slow it down to zero relative orbital speed and now you have your fixed platform in space with almost full gravity. Drop your lines down to the earth and you have your access to orbit.

>However there id no pratical reasons to go bacl to the moon.
All the aluminum and oxygen.

>No really, aside from reeooting thz asteroids on the Moon instead of Earth there is no reason to build anything there. And I don't see companies wanting to spend billions for a Moon base just to avoid loosing a few pounds of minerals because of Earth atmosphere reentry.

We don't strictly need the moon but it makes a reasonable home base for the first bootstrap industrial production of ores. A fixed base on the moon is a bit easier than a mobile refinery ship.

>Venus is a pain in the ass just to explore. Mars bring nothing of value and everything on Jupiter's and Saturn's moons can be found here already.
Once we get to space it pays back with more wealth than a billion Earths. Space, energy, materials that we couldn't even begin to consume in a predictable timeline.

>>133009976
>THAT ONLY HAPPENS AT RELATIVISTIC SPEEDS. NOT JUST BEING IN SPACE.
It happens at all speed differences. It's just very minor at low speed.

>>133009322
Instead of alarming the citizens they've spent billions on digging DUMB (Deep Underground Military Bunkers) and stockpiling for this event. That's what the US has done. China has taken a different approach. They've built a great deal of Ghost Cities located far inland and on high ground, away from the coast lines. Russia has opened free land to the public in eastern Russia where the land is higher to avoid the expected flooding when the poles melt.

>>133005502
This until whites and Asians have control over or don't have to deal with shot species we will forever be dealing with these subhuman animals stupidity.

>>133009976
I know. I don't think the anon you replied to knows what he's talking about. I mean the way we recognize time in days/weeks/years will be thrown off due to different planetary rotation/revolutions, but that's adaptable. AFAIK the laws of physics would be the same as far as measuring time in seconds, calculating velocity/acceleration, etc. I don't think time would pass any differently as we sense it, but I'm not a physicist.

>>133005496
>How the fuck can humanity become a space civilization without first having a centralized earth government?

Monopoly political systems have AVOIDED going beyond their borders because they are fearful of losing control. After a period of Chinese maritime explorations in the early 15th century, the Ming Dynasty started shutting the Middle Kingdom out of the rest of the world. This of course continued with the Qing, and the empire remained largely isolated until the 19th century, because of foreign "initiative." The same thing happened with Shogunate Japan, isolated until Admiral Perry's "Black Ships".

In Europe, however, the drive for exploration was driven by intense competition: if your nation doesn't establish colonies and trade routes then the other rival nation will. Portugal, Spain, then the Dutch, then the English, French, Germans, etc. all sent ships to dangerous unknown regions.

>>133009976

If you're near some curved space-time you dont need to move to be affected differently

I don't think FTL travel is possible at any level of technology. If it was possible at all there would be aliens visiting us all the time.

People like to say we have been broadcasting our existence for like 100 years or so when the first radio signals started going out into space but we have been "broadcasting" for a lot longer than that. Out atmosphere has been oxygen/nitrogen for at least two billion years and any super advanced civilization looking at our planet would be able to tell the Earth was absolutely covered with life.

Very soon we will be able to tell what the atmosphere on exoplanets is composed of if we can't already so they should have known there was life here billions of years ago.

>>133005507
Yeah because there aren't enough females in the country

>>133009947
really?
this material is faked?

>>133005496
Government would not help in this at all. If you want to colonize anything, you have to do it all by yourself.

Read Schizmatrix, pretty accurate description of what it would be. When it will be.

Earth would be isolated, because it has no resources to govern space and it would be difficult to rule from space on earlier stages.

>>133009040
Orbital rings can actually handily be constructed with modern materials, they just have to be built yuge. Easily the most evident resource Space has for us is literally Space, a thing we're running out of here on Earth. Not to mention innovation is the only thing that will keep our economies alive and if we just stick to this "shit out a new version of the same old shit every year" model we'll collapse entirely.

>>133005496

>Cowboy wild west space capitalism

you don't even really need nation states as they currently exist.

>>133005814
>never seeing the ayylmao flag

>>133008502
Bro. We can't terraform, lives are short, spaceships are expensive and primitive, and by the time that happens, the sun would probably burn out.

>>133005496
>a centralized earth government?
only after the niggers beaners and jungle gooks are eradicated

>>133007058

What did he mean by this?

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>>133008352
>>133008472
What do people gain from trying to "debunk" space travel and things such as the moon landing? How does it affect them if its true or false?

>>133009976
you don't need to type in all caps here, guy from 1997 aol chatrooms

trump needs to reignite the space program, we need to get off this planet as soon as possible. off-world settlements need to happen within this century.

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>>133011073
>Earth would be isolated, because it has no resources to govern space and it would be difficult to rule from space on earlier stages
Earth has more usable resources than entire solar system (for use by naked monkeys). Cost of sustaining of naked monkeys in teh space makes any space exploration for materials pointless. Naked monkeys can't deal with environment.

>>133011350
ACTUALLY I HOLD DOWN THE SHIFT KEY.

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>>133006499
Gold pure gold.

>>133005496

your argument is gay and contradictory. you argued against yourself 3 times in the OP.

fucking summerkids gtfo. saged

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>>133011303

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>>133011303
i have trouble believing in liars

>>133011684
> Earth has more usable resources than entire solar system
That depends on how you define "usable". Because what is lying in gravity well is not usable on orbit.

For you to understand I probably need to say, that KSP atmosphere is about 10 times smaller, than earths atmosphere. Install RSS and n-body mod and come back, when you reach some space.

> Cost of sustaining of naked monkeys in teh space makes any space exploration for materials pointless.
Let me guess. You calculated jackshit.

> Naked monkeys can't deal with environment.
Because they use biosphere-2 research products, instead of using and developing БИOC-1, 2, and 3. Which are made by Russians, so they want to wait some time, until everyone forgets and then use it.

>>133012075
The reason for in-house segments of the Moon footage was to eliminate evidence of ET's when the astronauts filmed. There was and still is a decree to not let the public know that ET's exist. The US has muzzled astronauts by making them sign a national security document to prevent them from speaking about this in public. Should they talk the consequences are very severe.

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>>133005497
>The sad truth is that unless there is some sort of ground-breaking discovery that completely changes our understanding of physics

It happened 70 years ago, it just isn't allowed out to the public because it would completely end all dependence on oil

>>133009089
what am i supposed to see ?

>>133005497
>implying we won't adopt the spore model and send out rugged ships loaded with cryostatic humans in every which direction

>>133012618
You really believe in that story? Hollywood have done a number on you

>>133012834
Wires.

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>>133012798

>>133011292
It's electric

>>133013023
Everything about that is stupid as hell

>wtf is collocated structure
>mm waves through 15cm thick shell?
>electronic charge retention doesn't depend on "smoothness" as it does on material

>>133012559
>You calculated jackshit.
Compare productivity of average Russian worker and cost of building and sustaining ISS.

>>133013846
This drawing is from scientist Bob Lazar who worked at Groom Lake (S4 area) and has seen these craft first hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GL6atHntk

>>133012311
underrated

>>133013966
> compare hurr to durr
Continue.

who has the hammer drop test?

i remeber seeing that as a young lad and it was right then that i realized it was faked

if he had dropped the hammer with the claw upwards and it fell straight it would have been real but he purposely dropped the hammer claw down at the last second because he knew the hammer would rotate while falling and reveal the gravity

why start with the hammer head up and then release it with all the mass on the bottom?

he knew if he started with the hammers mass on the bottom he would of been called out so he started with the mass on top and flipped it last second so no one would question it

too bad physics will disprove this one day when proper analysis happens

>>133015557
care to elaborate??

>>133007058

The 'G' stands for gay, not gravity. They are the homosexual Mafia.

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>>133012798
Minds centuries ahead of their time come from the strangest places.

>>133006669
Nowadays you could set up a moon base with a couple billions, and there are plenty of billionaires in the world.

I honestly don't get why we aren't doing it. I mean, if I had 20 billions I surely would start my own space program.

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>>133007076

We are on the inside of a sphere.

>>133016055
WHAT.

>>133005496
It doesn't matter if we have a centralized government because the bottom line is that, unless we develop some method of FTL travel and communication there is no conceivable chance of maintaining a coherent interstellar government. The moment an offworld colony is no longer dependent on any Earth government to survive, they're going to declare independence, and they're almost guaranteed to succeed.

Barring FTL technology, if I have a colony in Proxima Centauri it takes 8.5 YEARS just to get a response to a message, to say nothing of the decades or even centuries it would take to rally and mount a physical response to something happening there. No country, no matter how imperialistic, is going to invest that much time and effort into retaking a colony, and no military is going to volunteer for a lifetime or even generational mission to do so.

The Mongols had an empire that spanned a few thousand miles, but they had horses that could cover that distance in a few months.
The British and Spanish had empires that spanned the globe, but they had ships that could cover that distance in a few months.
Interstellar or even intrastellar empires are not going to be a thing if we can't develop the technology to cut travel time between Earth and colonies down to a similar time frame.


At this point, it's much more likely that human civilization will eventually become a loosely connected scattering of distant colonies, each relatively isolated from one another, drifting apart socially, culturally, and eventually even biologically. After a ten thousand years of living apart from each other a Terran, a Centauran, and a Cygnan will probably be as biologically distinct from one another as Neanderthals and Homo-Sapiens.

>>133005496

Man is frail..he isn't going anywhere unless on a kamikaze mission.

>>133005497

No more like genetic engineered humans with turtle blood. Man is the ultimate limiting factor...technology isn't sexy if only machines can utilise it.

>>133005496
Forget any fantasy you have of going to space.

Cybernetic limbs, space colonies, AIDS cures and life elongation, stem-cell body parts, flying cars, all that is for the ((("""elite"""))).

NOT you.

NEVER you.

YOU get to live in a burned out shithole surrounded by blacks and browns who despise you and conspire mayhem and death on you daily.

Real great fucking future for you, isn't it?

You want to change this future? Solve the problem of niggers and muslims invading every white country and only white countries while jews tee hee in the background as their scheme goes forward.

>>133015972
Not worth risking your wealth over. yes ik this could accumulate much more wealth, but there are easier and less risky options here on earth.

>>133016055

I have an old globe like this and if you open it up it has weird shit in it like snakes and other chunks of land that aren't on the map with the classic nude women with cloth coving their genitals. That's why I don't believe in the space meme.

>>133005496
If alpha centari was right there the way your pic says it is, then wouldn't it's cloud shit be going into our system? Like right up on earth.

>>133017483
>If alpha centari was right there the way your pic says it is, then wouldn't it's cloud shit be going into our system?
The x-axis is a log scale, not a linear one. The difference between the edge of the heliosphere and the nearest star is about 3-4 orders of magnitude.


That said, it's been theorized that nearby stars could exchange limited amounts of gas and debris. I remember a poster I saw at an AAS conference a couple years ago that suggested some non-periodic comets could have originated from neighboring stars and been knocked out of their respective Oort Clouds.

>>133016839
>The moment an offworld colony is no longer dependent on any Earth government to survive, they're going to declare independence, and they're almost guaranteed to succeed.
Why is that bad?

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>>133005496
Why the hell was this bread moved to /pol?

interdasting...

>>133018027
Oh thanks; didn't even see that. Kind of small.

>>133018084
I'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying that's what's going to happen - no FTL means no empires, no interstellar trade, and probably little to no immigration or interaction between different colonized worlds.

Whether that's good or bad depends on your particular point-of-view, I suppose.

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>>133007128
for real... normally these threads get moved out of /pol or 404ed...

What are they trying to tell us...

>>133016186
WHY DO YOU TYPE LIKE THIS?.

>>133018318
Where did it originate?

>>133018539
People are able to govern locally. We don't need central government to run day to day affairs.

>>133005497

It would be far more feasible for AI to eventually replace humans and subsequently explore the universe. They can survive in space much better than humans. Although electronics do decay eventually anyways......

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>>133018746
I dont know actually... the question mark flags with sequential numeral post means that some mod elsewhere moved it here... maybe /x or /sci???

>>133011242
>being this retarded
the entirety of human civilization, from the first temple to now, is 12000 years
First flight to moon landing was 66 years
and you're saying that we will not gain any additional industrial ability, as we do have all the tech, in the next 100 million?

drink bleach subhuman, I bet you're a fucking flat earther

>>133005497
once our space program is run by an ai then I'm sure we'll be able to send something interstellar. It probably won't be us, seeing as we'll all be dead

>>133005501
>I don't think hyper intelligent machines, who presumably have free-will of some sort, would be able to avoid the whole issue of "oh well it's been 1000 years, I really think I changed my mind about this whole thing'.
True, but an artificial superintelligence millions of times smarter than a human would have a low chance of making a bad decision.

>Maybe if we were able to "download" our minds somehow into a computer and transport them back to earth you could fix forget this whole thing entirely. But that's a whole different subject with entire ramifications of it's own.
The only way I see to truly "download" your consciousness per se is with a Moravec Transfer. You could potentially download your memories and personality, but that would still be subject to the Trouble With Transporters problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI

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>>133005496
It will be just like the colonization of the world. Did the Spaniards think they would control all the new land forever? Did the colonists think they would be colonies forever?

Human will only become a space civilization when brave men are loaned money to risk their lives in the unknown. Just like with the exploration of Spanish, French, English, and Portuguese sailors in the 1400s and 1500s.

Humanity might not repeat history, but we mimic it.

>>133019718
/x/ maybe? idk, we'll have to wait until someone form the original thread answers us

>>133019678
Stars decay too but it's not like we should disregard them.

>>133005496

Why do you need a centralised world government to expand into space? Why not have, say, Canadian Mars, like in the days of colonialism?

>>133019678
Electronics do not fare well in space at all. Far too much radiation.

Von Neumann probes are science fiction.

>>133005501
>Transhumanism is probably further away than interstellar travel I feel. As it has all kinds of barriers aside technology.
Some transhumanist technologies, such as gene therapy and regenerative medicine, are not that far away. Take CRISPR for instance. Interstellar travel on the other hand could take hundreds of thousands of years. The main barriers I see to transhumanism are political, and even if religious fundamentalists managed to suppress transhumanist research, the Chinese would probably continue to develop the technology.

>>133020535
>It will be just like the colonization of the world.

Oh i didn't know there was air, water, food, and natives on all the bodies in the solar system, and that there was warm air in between them too and that you can make an interplanetary spacecraft using just the materials on a tropical island and hand tools.

Wow golly gee

>>133020924
>CRISPR
>good

Hah.

>people using eugenics and making GMO humans when GMO apples scare them

HAH!

>>133015741
He's talking about when one of the Apollo astronauts did a test that shows that gravity has the same effect on objects despite weight.

So in a vacuum (like the moon) a hammer and a feather should fall at the exact rate to the ground.

>>133005496
was this a moved /sci/ thread?

>>133020475
>True, but an artificial superintelligence millions of times smarter than a human would have a low chance of making a bad decision.

A creature's ability to influence the world does not scale linearly with its intelligence. It doesn't matter how smart it is, there are problems that have no solutions.

>>133020974
Well, everyone thought at the time that it was impossible to reach the Indies traveling west, but yet we did it, and found new land in which nobody new what to find, if there where natives or not, we just sailed there, and history was made. We can just as well send people to Mars or any other planet, not knowing exactly what lays in it, justo for the sake of exploring and filling our need for knowledge that all humans have

>>133005496
This is retarded. It's like saying we can't colonize North America without first having a unified European government.

>>133020827
>Electronics do not fare well in space at all. Far too much radiation.
You claim to know this is true from what exactly?

>>133021477
>Well, everyone thought at the time that it was impossible to reach the Indies traveling west
No, they knew the size of the earth and knew that Columbus had not taken enough supplies to reach the indies. Don't twist history to suit your narrative please.

>We can just as well send people to Mars or any other planet, not knowing exactly what lays in it, just for the sake of exploring and filling our need for knowledge that all humans have
How much did columbus's expedition cost in today's dollars? about 500 grand. You wanna put a ballpark sum on a mars round trip? some 200 billion right?

I can't fathom how you could ever see a connection between ocean travel and space travel. I mean, even if you do make the connection, you do realize we do not live ON the ocean like we would in a space station, nor do we live on the poles which are the only places accessible via the ocean that are anywhere close to the environments of the bodies of the solar system.

>>133021650
>You claim to know this is true from what exactly?
Charged particles short out unshielded or complex electronics.

So uh, Columbs's Law?

>>133021590
/thread

ya OP we cant colonize space until were nice to niggers!

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>>133021590
>>133022312
>>133005496

Arrival was Globalist Propaganda. Nothing more.

>>133009947
>nigger
>doesn't understand basic physics or IT
Why am I not surprised?
These are video compression artifacts you stupid fuck
I see this in shitty pirated movies all the time

>>133020082
>Modern tech
>Additional industrial ability
And I'm retarded

>>133005496
WTF NO FLAG ITS AN ALIEN OR THE WEBSITW IS MESSIN UP

>>133006388
Obnoxious faggot

>>133023163
Thread was moved here from another board which doesn't have flags so theyve got unknown
Happens all the time

>>133023338
Nah. It's probably someone from a country not registered in tha site

>>133021590
not sure if bait, but the attempts to colonize north america resulted in the colonies' revolt. Spain -> mexico, britian -> usa. like op said. if colonies are just going to break off from the government that sends them, there is no reason for the government to fund the trip.

goyim cannot into space

>>133021892
You're one dumb burger lad.

>>133005496
Already have, gooberment is hiding more then you know.

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>>133005496
YES, GOYIM, YOU NEED GLOBALISM TO EXPLORE SPACE!!!

Nah, go kill yourself, kike.

>>133023681
Twas a nice read

>>133005496
You gotta love the shift in the tone of discourse between the thread pre-moving and the thread post-moving to /pol/.

Also, a united earth government will only happen if we discover hostile alien life - thus the onus of the great Other will fall on the literal nonhumans and we'll all set our differences aside to kick some xeno ass. Then once they're properly genocided, we can return to shitflinging at each others like the unevolved apes that we all really are.

>>133019369
Of course not, but if it took, say, ten years for the US Federal Government to send a response to a state government, and centuries to sends physical supplies, aid, or personnel... do you think there would be any incentive for states to remain under federal governance? And more importantly, would there be anything to deter the overthrow of a pro-federalist government by anti-federalists?

Just because a colonizing force can install a local government and garrison doesn't mean those forces are going to be able to effectively assert long-term control. British garrisons in the colonies faced their share of rebellions, and in many cases those that were successfully quashed were put down only because the garrisons there were able to hold out long enough (weeks or months) for superior reinforcements to come from other colonies or England.

If I stage a successful coup in Tau Ceti, the Sol garrison isn't going to be able to hold out for a thousand years while they wait for reinforcements from Earth.

>>133025698
If you are on the far end of a 10 year transit can you actually claim to be governed by the body on the other end?

>>133025698
>implying interstellar government of any kind is possible without FTL technology

Theoretically, we could colonize other worlds with long journey ships and the crews in stasis for centuries or millenia until they reach their destination, but they obviously won't answer to any Earth government if they have to wait a decade to even get a communication from Earth, let alone anything physical.

>>133005496
Space is a nothing burger.

>>133025980
>>133026061
That's exactly my point. Whether or not governments and private companies will fund intra/interstellar colonization efforts remains to be seen... but whether or not they will be able to effectively govern or control those colonies once they're established is not really debatable.

No FTL = No empire


Now, if FTL travel *can* be developed, that's a whole other matter, entirely.

>>133009640
This. We were on the moon in the fucking 70s we could easily have a moonbase by now.

>>133026421
Wormhole travel maybe?

FTL as depicted in fiction (ie warp, hyperdrive) is impossible under the laws of physics, but wormholes aren't. Of course, this is many centuries ahead of our current tech level, but at least it's doable in the future.

Frankly, I think humans will spread out across the whole solar system far before any realistic interplanetary colonization efforts start off. With Mars being the most likely candidate, and probably the one most susceptible to terraforming.

>>133005496
Competition yields better results than teamwork. Or not. What do I know Mr. Alien.

>>133026740
>>133026740
>what is cost/benefit

The cost of sending a man to the moon was immense, but it was worth it because it was a giant middle finger to the Soviets, who already had the US on the ropes in the Space race. And so, the money was authorized.

What would be the point and/or use of a moon base (financially speaking), especially today when there is no big bad USSR to compete against? Not like the goatfuckers the US consideres enemies today has any chance of putting anything in space for the next 500 years.

>>133005497
I better beat them to it

>>133026771
By FTL I mean *anything* that gets you from A to B faster than it would take to travel at the speed of light. It can be warp drive, it can be wormholes, it can be the fucking infinite improbability drive... the point is that if NONE of that turns out to be an option, you can assume any colonies will declare independence the moment they're self-sustaining.

Even on an intrastellar scale - Mars, Europa, the asteroid belt, etc - the moment any of those colonies can produce their own oxygen, water, and food they're going to split off and form their own governments ala the Belters in 'The Expanse' series or the Marians in Robinson's 'Mars Trilogy'.

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>>133005496
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>>133026771
>FTL as depicted in fiction (ie warp, hyperdrive) is impossible under the laws of physics, but wormholes aren't.
No and no. FTL in the form of warp bubbles works. Eagleworks demonstrated the first, very small, warp bubble a few years ago on their warp interferometer. We don't even know if wormholes actually exist.

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Stars and planets are lights on the firmament not objects in outer space. Space isnt real.

Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

A Star Close Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgxTCDjvBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ukxGhX0w0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjcaJpMWyc

>>133027717
I was just saying that under physics as we currently understand it, wormhole travel is the only way that's even theoretically possible, the rest is just science fiction.

Of course, who knows? 500 years ago, people were convinced the Earth was flat (for that matter, some faggots on this very board still are), so there's no telling what scientific progress will bring us.

>>133005496
>How the fuck can humanity become a space civilization without first having a centralized earth government?
space colonization actually is how Mankind will get rid of central governing

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>>133027860
>Eagleworks demonstrated the first, very small, warp bubble a few years ago on their warp interferometer.

>>133027860
That's where you expand and contract space around you, right? So you build a ship that can do this in such a way that you move through contracted space faster than you normally would, or something?

>>133027717
People that live on other planets will physiologically adapt over generations and be unable to return to earth and the Earthborn will be unable to live there for long.

>>133028168
Isn't there some movie about this about some kid born on Mars who goes to Earth but gets fucked up because his heart can't cope with the higher gravity?

>>133005496
Professional tip: there's literally (literally) fuck all up there in space. It's literally nothing but empty space and lifeless rocks.

>>133028057
>500 years ago, people were convinced the Earth was flat
No, faggot, people always knew the Earth was round. The ancient Greeks even calculated the radius to within a very decent margin of error.

Did you learn your history from Bill Nye, the faggot science guy?

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>>133005497
One was made years ago.

Orion Project.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

4000 Tonnes in a single launch from the poles where the hole in the Ozone is.

Couple this with a counter weight anti-gravity system and a couple of excavator robots and DARPAs HANDLE robot and we got a tyranid army ready for invasion and we can begin excavating the solar system and harvesting the sun...

>>133005496
R A R E
A
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>>133028289
Perhaps but our astro/cosmonauts all have health issues when they return from space specificically cardiovascular diseases.

>>133028505
https://youtu.be/njM7xlQIjnQ

>>133028316
pretty much like Russia
and yet people live and go there

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that would be one way to do it if space was a real thing

>>133005496
Competition. USA manages to get space civilization it'll motivate others to try, soon we will form aggreements and space towns/trade, it'll be like here but in SPACE

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>>133028057
Earth is a flat Jew

>>133028316
>nothing but empty space and lifeless rocks of valuable minerals.
Ftfy

>>133028316
Asteroid mining and other projects might be worth it. Also we should research how to avoid giant things hitting Earth and killing us all.

But yeah, actually "exploring and colonizing" space is probably so fucking hard that we aren't going to do it in any significant amount for hundreds or thousands of years. We don't really know what kind of population Earth can sustain, so predictions of overpopulation always have to be taken with a grain of salt. People always make predictions based on stupid extrapolations of birthrates that never come true.

>>133028505
Orion might have some potential. But space is still a really harsh environment. Even Mars would kick our ass.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-NkX86uPI0

>>133028635
Stop your Flat Earth tier LARPing, nobody gives a shit.

>>133005502
there's still India, they will make space affordable again, no toilets included

>>133005496
It takes light eight years or something just to travel from one end of our solar system to the other. Unless we figure out how to move at the speed of light, space colonisation is literally impossible, since there are barely any planets that have anything useful on them, and the ones that do are far beyond our solar system.

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>>133029290
cant make this up ball cucks

>>133011303
Jealous people, most people that don't believe americans set foot on the moon are people that hate USA.

You should know that with the flag you use, most muslim hate USA and doesn't "believe" in moon landing because it doesn't fit their narrative.

>>133028355
>what is diffraction?
>what is atmospheric seeing?
>THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS STARS!!!11!
you're a fucking moron

>>133011303
They gain nothing, it's just mental disorder. It's no different than people on /x/ who believe in shit like 'angel meditation' and 'tulpas' and will argue for hours on end about how they're not completely insane for believing that shit.

>>133005496
Culture stays similar

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We shouldn't ever stick our noses outside the solar system. Even if the odds of encountering an alien race are like 1% the risk of running into someone who can stomp us out of existance on a whim is unacceptable

>>133009640
that's why I'm only counting for any type of total annihillation of our race. a country size meteor would be nice. or aliens! aliens would fuck us up really good. that would be a lot of fun.

there is nothing we can do about the elites and their plans xD so yeah, annihillation it is.

>>133029600
>year 2245
>Space debris now largely exists of excrement

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>>133029876

>>133019678

AI is always the end result. The end result of AI is always our extinction. Nothing will out-think an AI, so this is most likely true of any "alien" races. This has probably already happened, which makes the idea that this is all a virtual reality more certain.

>>133030543
kek

>>133011303
They're literally brain damaged. According to the research, basically some people are wired to believe the simplest explanation for anything, and it's easier for some people to believe we didn't build rockets and shit to go into space than it is for them to believe we did.

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every flat earth denier ever

The greatest advances in space science and exploration occurred during a time of powerful, competitive states working as rivals. Not this bullshit kumbaya fantasy which inspires zero competitive drive.

This is proven historical record, there is as much point debating this as whether the sky is blue or orange.

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>>133023681
What a good fucking story Anon

here is a nice picture.

Also about the topic.

Space colonisation is going to HOPEFULLY happen/initiated by Private sectors interest or if the US gets enticed to jump into a new space Race with CHINA/INDIA

anyhow i really want Humanity brightest to take us to the next chapter of Human history and not this sad age of deception... and... well you know

here is a beautiful picture anon

>>133028505
"The idea of rocket propulsion by combustion of explosive substance was first proposed by Russian explosives expert Nikolai Kibalchich in 1881"

when all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail. If the guy was a dairy farmer, he'd propose a theory how to launch with the power of milk.

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you wont be traveling anywhere up here

>>133005496
CRISPR will allow for telomere reconstruction and reconstruction of displaced bases in DNA due to gamma rays. Extremely elongated lives, no chance of cancer, and radiation immunity.

Food, chemistry for the above, and fuel are the only problems. Space travel itself isn't much of an issue. Artificial intelligence on the ship will continually improve manufacturing processes and work on colonization problems to allow for better designs than what they left with, so the tech delay isn't even a problem.

So technological advancement & space travel are soon to be solved. Oxygen is an issue. Energy is not an issue, because nuclear plants will go into space, I promise you. Set up rendezvous with comets with water content along your flight plan.

Now for fuel, it's still up in the air. Nukes in space will allow for ion thrusters but even with a fuel scooper that's weaksauce. Emdrive, if it works out, is a revolution. Interplanetary is viable as fuck (forget the a.i. the trips won't take that long). Interstellar will need advanced physics. But long enough lives might make generational ships viable. 2 babies every 800 years and that's set for another 800, suddenly it's much more feasable.

Will CRISPR change cryostasis? If it does, it'd be interesting af.

For interplanetary, let's say musk, will no doubt create mars bases, automated, that extract and grow life support and mining operations. Crash a water comet or two and hey now, shits changing. Detonate a nuke or two hundred underground and hey now, plates are moving. And hey now, long term viability is coming around.

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>>133031617
>mars bases

>>133018571
Wouldnt the G forces splatter the people inside? Sure the force from the nuke is absorbed you're still accelerating

It's cool and all that we are exploring space a bit, but can we calm down a little fucking bit and deal with the shit on this planet first?

People love NASA, and fair enough they are world class engineers and scientists, but they are engineers and scientists determined to get the fuck out of earth and create their own world on Mars leaving us plebs behind.

Selfish bastards, help Earth out! Yes, I know some of the technology developed by NASA eventually makes its way to the consumer markets, but it's always the older shit.

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>>133023681
In reality, attempting to gain root access to the simulation would likely trigger some kind of intelligent security reaction resulting in any dev terminal sessions being terminated and maybe even sim being restored to an earlier state and thus any proof of the existance of sim scrubbed away from everyones minds

>>133031800
Did you look at the image? NASA training course.

THEY TRAINED ON EARTH? INCOMPREHENSIBLE

>>133031617
>CRISPR will allow for telomere reconstruction and reconstruction of displaced bases in DNA due to gamma rays. Extremely elongated lives, no chance of cancer, and radiation immunity.

CRISPR has already been identified as flawed. It can result in splices is unintentional places..

>>133031800
sauce to that?

>>133008352
omg that's how video compression works. These are fairly common errors caused in digital video. If you are editing, it's not hard to cut out.

>>133032051
yes.

>>133005496
It's quite easy. You have a nation. A nation is a biological entity, which only occupies a land. It is not the land itself. It's quite simple that, say, an English, or even British (since we are tethered together) expedition would consider themselves English, and then call whatever they land on England. The early colonists of America did so.

Don't construct false dichotomies.

Also, if your argument is that they will change because they are so far away from Earth, why do you think a OWG would be any different? Or that they would even be able to fight?

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>>133032099
ya but they use the training courses for the real thing too

>>133032010
Fuck off, help yourself. The masses keep being driven by fear and toxicity. They don't fix their corrupt governments because admitting the corruption is losing their sense of superiority over third world shitholes. Except the rest of their sense of superiority, the technology, the information technology, the medicine, the maths, the physics, the normal people did NOTHING to produce that. Their productivity has only increased due to the intellectuals and they are anti-intellectual. Some are rejecting vaccines. The masses have almost nothing to be proud of, no reason to feel superior. Which is why they should admit to their system being disgusting. And then fix it. By whatever means necessary.

Do you think that'll happen? Do you really?

P.s. most engineers and scientists are doing routine work requiring very little intellect. They're the bureaucrats of science.

>>133032567
Sinead please leave

The exact same way the ocean were eventually regulated:

For a while, it will be a clusterfuck as everyone try to spread at the same time, all over the fucking place for countless reasons. Pirate and raiding will abound like crazy as it will be incredibly easy to pick a target and leave before any kind of genuine counter is made possible from the victims. It will cause tremendous anger which will force peoples of opposing or differing ideals to band together out of convenience. Because even if you don't like your neighbor, you're better off with one than with pirates boarding the ship.

Eventually peoples will start to come out in great, singular waves as to offer greater protection to the convoys, even if pirates and raiders attacks then the others can kill off the invader, eventually leading to the extinction of basic piracy. The surviving pirates will probably becomes smugglers as to escape the growing influence of the authorities over space and the distance between worlds will surely jack the price up for novelties, earth-bound drugs and others products not readily available on a space ship.

Eventually, due to the distance involved from the source of origin (may it be a corporation, a nation or anything, really) peoples will start to seek sovereignty and proclaim their authority over their its and bits of space, which will in turn create a second pirate era as many worlds compete with one another for power, with their many ships prime for the taking and the poorer worlds more than eager to accept the pirates treasure fleets.

Eventually this will result in the creation of many coalitions, with worlds with converging interest mutually insuring their protection as to insure their sovereignty from foreign interests. After that, these coalitions will work together as to draw what will then be known as the limitation of space territories, with areas in between worlds that no one hold rights over as to insure the liberty of movement from one world to another

>>133032220
Source. The actual mechanism doesn't allow for unintentional splices, and your so called flaws are for a technology BARELY TWO YEARS OLD

>>133030586
holy fuck you are one dumb cunt

>>133033001
Golden age of space pirates pls

>>133032720

Do any intellectuals have parents that could be labelled normal?

>>133005502
>Humanity will NEVER do X
People like you have been proven wrong countless times throughout history.
Just over 100 years ago, it was "Humanity will NEVER fly".

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>>133005496
Why do you cucks keep on thinking we need every single one on this planet to advance.
>FUCK THEM

Those that fall into decline and depravity. Fuck those who poop on streets.
And especially fuck those who feed strangers before they feed their own household and their dogs..

>FUCK YOU

>>133027860
>FTL in the form of warp bubbles works.

Except these kinds of warp bubbles are better for making weapons than traveling, since it traps a mass of particles inside the bubble which get released all at once at the end-point

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>>133033475
global warming!
and a shit theory, at that

>>133033475
do you happen to have schizophrenia by any chance

>>133005496
Nigger think of colonial days

>raid eachothers colonies and mining planets in the Iota Carribea sector
>bro down and go drinking together on earth

What's not to like

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>>133033071
>Source.

Well, looks like theres a bit of tug of war going around this

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2139939-crispr-gene-editing-technique-is-probably-safe-study-confirms/

>In May, a study claimed that the revolutionary CRISPR gene editing technique can cause thousands of unwanted and potentially dangerous mutations. The authors called for regulators to reassess the safety of the technique.

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/07/05/159707

>Schaefer et al. recently advanced the provocative conclusion that CRISPR-Cas9 nuclease can induce off-target alterations at genomic loci that do not resemble the intended on-target site. Using high-coverage whole genome sequencing (WGS), these authors reported finding SNPs and indels in two CRISPR-Cas9-treated mice that were not present in a single untreated control mouse. On the basis of this association, Schaefer et al. concluded that these sequence variants were caused by CRISPR-Cas9.

>>133022134
>implying the shit we send into space is unshielded

>>133023528
no, it's because the thread was moved from another board you stupid fucking nigger

>>133034021
>implying the shit we send into space is unshielded

High-energy particles don't care abount any shielding you can afford to send into space

They plow right through, sometimes with single protons having same energy as a fast traveling baseball.

>>133033307
Almost all. Intellectuals are freak occurences, randoms outspurts of genetic compatibility. Look at beautiful people. Most have pretty ugly children. Look at smart people. Most have normal children. The people I'm talking about can be found in any walk of life, but because of us normal people, are kept back, in school, in society, due to our plebiab arrogance. They're what the American founding fathers and those of the enlightenment called the natural aristocracy.

They should be moral, and tyranny is not to be accepted by any means. But plebian arrogance is causing humanity to grow slowly. Not just them, the rich steal the value of the intellectuals, who invent, who create, who advance without payoff for the vast majority.

Normal people continually fuck ourselves over and fuck those who can help over too. I want humanity to be great. If they can leave and become great (and then devolve into a proto-us again and offshoot once more), I'm fine with it. Us normals do not have our shit together. Demanding they stick around, not be listened to, be derided, and be thefted, as we demand solutions and continually not listen, is the utmost degree of arrogance and undeserved expectancy I can describe.

Humanity has gotten this far in spite of the normals, not because of them.

>>133033712
the photograph is clearly being taken at a downward angle.

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>>133034376

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>>133034398
want like 5 more
worlds flat bro schemer

testable, verifiable, repeatable

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>>133005496

Let's start small shall we...

Venus atmosphere lad.

Reduce the cost to Earth orbit and you enable Solar Expansion.

>>133007076
Darwin believe in a Creator, a big G God. Fucking finngolians

>>133027126
The moon actually is a very lucrative place for us to want to colonize and mine. Any material you can find on Earth you can find on the moon, as the moon is just a big chunk of Earth. Plus it has H3, which is nice as a possible fuel.

It also makes travel in the solar system easier since there's no atmosphere to waste fuel on escaping.

It's also in a synchronous rotation with Earth, always facing the same direction. This would make it perfect as a communications satellite. A really big one.

There's plenty of reasons to want to build stuff on the Moon.

>>133032034
>species that has no concept of war having to deal with electronic warfare

>>133034580
>For an observer standing at the top of the Burj Khalifa (828 metres (2,717 ft) in height), the horizon is at a distance of 103 kilometres (64 mi).

Nothing funny with that picture if it was taken from aboard a helicopter or other aircraft

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>>133035102
>species that has no concept of war

Laughable idea. Unless they were engineered by someone else for some specific purpose, then abandoned to their own devices

Reminds me a bit of..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_the_Aldenata

>>133031277

It might sound silly, but in practice it was actually far more effective, efficient and rapid than the traditional hydrogen combustion method. Taking a nuclear blast isn't that bad when you have nothing but the atmosphere to block your path.

With that said, I think the reason the project failed was because it would put too many G on the pilots, but with the current advances in technology we could put an remotely programmable AI at the wheel, remove all danger of pilots going unconscious or whatnot.

>>133034376
So why do you think sending only intellectuals to a planet will mean a better society being created? The intellectuals will fuck, they will have kids, and they might not be intellectual.

And just because you're an intellectual doesn't mean you're going to be a good parent. And fuck being raised on Mars, I would refuse to stay there.

Daily reminder that Flat Earth posters are part of the larger effort to discredit and demoralize /pol/.

Shareblue, plz go.

>>133017390

>I have an old globe like this and if you open it up it has weird shit in it like snakes and other chunks of land that aren't on the map with the classic nude women with cloth coving their genitals. That's why I don't believe in the space meme.

An esoteric globe? Shit sound awesome to be honest, care to enlight us about the specific details? There could be more to that globe which you could believe.

>>133023089
industry, having orbital ore refineries making raw materials, feeding to other orbital shipyards and manufacturing plants
everything we got on earth, but upscaled on rotating stations
No new science, just lots of construction and engineering

>>133023681

>TFW aliens can't figure out how to build a layered matrix.

You're inside a simulation 'inside' a simulation, all you did was escape 1 level higher.

>>133005496
Humanity will never become a space civilization. We are far too competitive, degenerate and dumb for that.

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>>133011303
>trying to understand a criminals logic
>actually solving the crime

Even christians are tired of your bullshit flat earthers
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-flat-earth-deception-debunked/

>>133035114
St. Joseph is 61 miles from Chicago as the crow flies. The tallest building in that picture is Willis Tower, standing at 1450'.

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>>133036027
thats because theyre still deceived on this topic

i was like that about a year ago

>>133036289
next you should post the video of the rocket hitting the firmament.

>>133035894

Flat Earthers, your evidence is extremely strong and persuasive, but I just need one more bit of evidence and then I will too call myself a proud Flat Earther.

I just need a photograph of the edge of the Earth, I mean someone here must have been there, I bet the view was amazing.

>>133023681

>we wuz evul experiment

Dropped

The whole ''Frankenstein'' trope has been so overdone in science fiction

>>133027860
Eagleworks are a bunch of idiots who have never produced anything. FTL in ANY FORM is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN BY CAUSALITY.

>>133034580
The sun is already gone at the moment that picture was taken.

Whatever light you see it giving, and also whatever shadows you see, are 8 minutes old.

But don't take that into account. Also don't take into account that with the Human eye you wouldn't start to see a visible curve on the skyline unless you were in the upper atmosphere? The planet is a lot larger than you think, your eyes and brain clearly don't comprehend how big it is.

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>>133036449
>edge

>>133036289
Is your IQ in the double digits or something?

>>133005497
>What is the Alcubierre Drive

>>133036565
i want to finance an expedition to cross the entirety of antartica just to prove you fucking retarded MUH BIBLE faggots wrong

>>133036565
Not the edge. I want to see someone space diving off the end of it.