Prove to me IQ differences are majorly genetic

>>132960860
do it yourself you lazy twat

>>132960860

Dogs are dumber that humans.

I don't think you quite understand how /pol/ works...

Go watch the Jared Taylor video about it on YouTube.

>>132960962
>>132960968
>>132960973
>>132961120

No evidence, huh. Sad!

>>132960860
Fuck off, you don't give us orders.
>Fucking degenerate

>>132961238
I told you to watch the video because Jared Taylor has evidence. I don't keep a fucking folder of links to IQ studies cause I'm not autistic.

Don't ever stop not knowing that blacks are not ever really not as smart as whites aren't, and will never not know the nothing that is understanding how much they won't ever not know success when they end up never knowing how unknown their face and business aren't.

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>>132960860
not a polfag, this is the only worthwhile arguement i've seen. I still think IQ disparity is real and caused by nothing more complicatee than the ammount a culture values education and testing.

>>132961240
>still no evidence from cited respectable sources and scientific studies

*le sight*

>>132961297
Can't read that. Plus the sources are indecipherable.

>>132961363
Doesn't say that they're dumber.

>>132961367
Sounds unbiased.

>>132961384
I'm surprised a confederate poster was able to make such an articulate point.

>>132960860

every fucking day a fucking subhuman nigger loving jew thinks he got /pol

CJ you SJW faggots are retarded.

FPBP

>>132961598
Not an argument

>>132960860
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates
>based on a study of Swedish monozygotic and dizygotic twins found the heritability of the sample to be as high as 0.80 in general cognitive ability

IQ's heritability is about .5-.8 Outside of extreme cases genetics play a much larger role than the environment.

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-heritability-of-iq/
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1169974.files/Bouchard%20McGue%202003.pdf

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>>132961787
forgot image

>>132961521
>caused by nothing more complicatee than the ammount a culture values education and testing.
Why? Why would genetic differences stop at the brain? Everyone unanimously agrees that your genes determine your potential height, your skin pigmentation, hair colour, eye colour, fat distribution, appearance, people don't laugh at the idea that some mental disorders are hereditary, that some people are more predisposed towards sociopathy, bipolarism etcetra?

It's absurd how people are willing to agree that even the shape of your toenails are determined by genetics but the idea that our brains could be the slightest bit of different is outlandish. Why can't some people be born with more brain mass, a higher neuron/synapse/whatever count? Why can't this be higher on average in group A compared to group B?

>>132961779
>>132961815

What does that say about different races?

>>132961565
People who don't care about race and know about racial differences in IQ (like 5 people probably) don't have any reason to talk about it, risking their credibility for saying something heretical to egalitarianism.

>>132961847
>Why can't some people be born with more brain mass, a higher neuron/synapse/whatever count? Why can't this be higher on average in group A compared to group B?

Prove it. And that it is mostly genetic.

>>132961850
Not much really, if you want to read more about race and intelligence then I would read

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

>>132961850

It says it's genetic you fucking tard

>>132961565
>I'm surprised a confederate poster was able to make such an articulate point

Don't underestimate us. Otherwise you'd just be a God damn fukkin black son of a faggot. Many such examples. Not cool.

>>132960860
>respectful
I don't recognize your ability to respect so your question already seems moot

>>132961895
https://www.livescience.com/19692-genes-brain-size-intelligence.html
Answer the question. Do you not think that genes determine your potential height? Do you not think that genes determine your eye colour? Why is it unreasonable to think that genes determine the development and potential of your brain?

>>132961120
he thinks hispanic is a race though.....

kind of a retard

Do you consider your own eyes and ears to be a respectable source? Go talk to a few niggers and see if you notice anything different. Also, ask yourself why Sub-Saharan Africans never developed progressed past the basic tribal stage.

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>>132960860
>what is inheritance vs environment?
you're retarded op
you got the weak end of the polygenic trait

>For example, if a child’s IQ is similar to that of his or her parents, is that similarity due to genetic factors passed down from parent to child, to shared environmental factors, or (most likely) to a combination of both? It is clear that both environmental and genetic factors play a part in determining intelligence.

>IQ has now been used as a measure of cognitive functioning for over a century. It has played a prominent part in developmental studies in many ways: as an index of normal development; for clinical diagnostics; as a descriptor of individual differences in cognitive ability; as explanation for differences in achievement or success in the world; as a predictor of future success as in school, training and occupational selection; and as an index for exploring causes of individual differences in cognitive ability. ex, it is argued that the current search for associations between molecular genetic variations and IQ “will transform both developmental psychology and developmental psychopathology” (Plomin & Rutter, 1998, p. 1223; see also Plomin, 2013). Likewise, Kovas, Haworth, Dale, and Plomin (2007) say that their conclusions on the heritability of IQ “have far-reaching implications for education and child development as well as molecular genetics and neuroscience”

>socio-economic-status can account for more than 5% deviation

oh well now, just wow, which one is the major and which is the minor hmmm? I can't see the harmony hahaha
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4557354/
https://www.ck12.org/life-science/Polygenic-Traits-in-Life-Science/lesson/Polygenic-Traits-MS-LS/

>>132962328
>fucking announces a sage and a report
>tells OP to lurk moar


Holy fucking wew lad

>>132962111

Yeah, gotta be human before you can qualify as a race.

>>132961850
Make up your damn mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpmlqtnrec8

>>132960860
The alternative strategy has been to attempt to establish test validity indirectly, by comparison of a proposed measure with what is considered to be some other expression of intelligence. Galton (1883) chose differences in social esteem; subsequently, scholastic performance and age-related differences were chosen. Typically, in constructing a test, cognitive problems or items thought to engage aspects of intelligence are devised for presentation to testees in trials. Those items on which differences in performance agree with differences in the criterion are put together to make up an intelligence test. There are many other technical aspects of test construction, but this remains the essential rationale. Thus, nearly all contemporary tests, such as the Stanford-Binet or the Woodcock-Johnson tests, rely on correlations of scores with those from other IQ or achievement tests as evidence of validity.
Accordingly, validation of IQ tests has continued to rely on correlation with other tests. That is, test validity has been forced to rely, not on calibration with known internal processes, but on correlation with other assumed expressions, or criteria, of intelligence. This is usually referred to as “predictive” or “criterion” validity. In almost all validity claims for IQ those criteria have been educational achievement, occupational level and job performance.

we wuz high IQ

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>be left
>suppress studies attempting to study race & IQ
>demand credible studies that show race & IQ

Really makes me think....

In any case, here's a video (narrated by king of the based blacks Morgan Freeman) admitting genetics has a large impact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ROhCoKTIU

>>132960860

The internet is replete with evidence for racial differences in IQ.

You are nothing but a troll.

you wouldn't accept it even if we gave you thousands of examples anyway so why the fuck should we even try?

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>>132960860
>Former IQ test instructor (IQ 160+)

Entire job involved meeting, assessing and determining client's IQ and what they could possibly score on the test.

$100-150/hr.

>AMA

>>132960860
Watch the Norwegian documentary series "Brainwash"

It should be required viewing for any poltard.

>>132962735
Source on that graph?

>>132962283
Says nothing races having different IQs though.

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>>132960860
ok, you right, we all equal
love and peace for everyone xD

>>132962735
>expert on human intelligence
>confuses black and Hispanic curves
>accident

another honest jew

>>132963036
Is that picture suppose to prove something?

>>132960860

Can't tell if you're baiting or are just this much of a retarded nigger lover.

>>132963235
>gets angry when people ask evidence of his central beliefs.

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>>132960860

Intelligence has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be heritable. Here is a peer reviewed paper blowing you the fuck out.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/


Environment and parenting have no meaningful impact on basic intelligence. Here is a second peer reviewed paper blowing you the fuck out.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000889?via%3Dihub

The difference in black and white IQ is NOT explained by socioeconomic differences or culture, it can only be attributed to race. Here is a third peer reviewed paper blowing you the fuck out.
http://matt.colorado.edu/teaching/highcog/fall8/nbbbbchlpsu96.pdf

Now that I have humiliated you, effortlessly and one-sidedly, I will wait patiently for you to apologize.

>>132963145
you and these ppl in that picture are equal
if not you racist

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>>132960860
JP?

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>>132962283
>Low SES is highly
correlated with low achievement
i.e.
>Children
in families with incomes less than one-half of the poverty line were found to score between 6 and
13 points lower on various standardized tests (Milne & Plourde, 2006). "African Americans, on
standardized tests score significantly lower than their white counterparts, and a typical minority
student (Black. Hispanic. Native American) scores below 75% (often 85%) of American Whites
on most standardized tests" (Wilhelm, 2005). A survey done in 2000 by the National Center for
Education Statistics (NCES), and reported by U.S. Department of Education concluded tbat on
average, minority students lagged behind their White peers in tenns of academic achievement
>dumb people are poor and stupid
what else is new
http://fisherpub.sjfc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1077&context=education_ETD_masters

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>>132962968
The source is in the fucking picture m8.
>hint: it's right after the part that says "Source:"

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>>132960860
check out this video shekel burgh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdMY9RI-7E

>>132962065
>God damn fukkin black son of a faggot
inbred

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>>132962968
see >>132963477

mfw

>>132962968
>>132963145
>>132963279
answer the question >>132962101 you dumb fucking hebe

>>132963279
Lol I'm not angry just genuinely curious are you baiting or not? People tell you to do it yourself you mock them like a high schooler. People give you evidence you say it's not real / no source / "you cant see shit". If you actually care do research yourself stop wasting people's time who are trying to prove you wrong when you don't want to be proven wrong / have an open mind about it.

>>132963564
Says nothing about race.

Try again.

>>132962111
>>132962508
he is well spoken and public

>>132963531
What the actual fuck!? It's like that scene from "Beetlejuice".

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>>132963687
black people

Children
in families with incomes less than one-half of the poverty line were found to score between 6 and
13 points lower on various standardized tests (Milne & Plourde, 2006). "African Americans, on
standardized tests score significantly lower than their white counterparts, and a typical minority
student (Black. Hispanic. Native American) scores below 75% (often 85%) of American Whites
on most standardized tests" (Wilhelm, 2005). A survey done in 2000 by the National Center for
Education Statistics (NCES), and reported by U.S. Department of Education concluded that on
average, minority students lagged behind their White peers in terms of academic achievement

>>132963687
>Gets proven wrong multiple times
>Moves the goal post
Kill yourself.

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>>132963054
Well her study might've studied full Amerindians as "hispanics", or perhaps she meant to say 90 instead of 80. Either way:
>Hispanics (generally) score around 90
>US Blacks do score about 85

>>132963687
>still avoiding the question
You really are a Jew rat, aren't you? It also does say something about races since it proves that brain size and function is determined by genes and different races have different genetic makeups, you Matza-gobbling hook-nossed fucking Jew goblin

>>132960860
>implying IQ is a reliable measure of intelligence

>>132960860
The landmark Minnesota Twins Study. It's famous in psychology circles.

I can't believe nobody here mentioned it yet.

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>>132963797
are they stupid because they're poor or are they poor because they're stupid? doesn't matter the white man will be blamed until he bullies back the black

>>132963840
This ^^^

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>>132961521
This is complete horse shit. I ran a standardized testing company for many years.

I worked with Francos, Slavs, Chinks, Japs, Africans, etc.

First off, women always fared well better on the Verbal, and men on the Quantitative.

You can tell just working with a client as to their IQ or general g. Certain races were far faster at various tasks. Some races were slower at all tasks. etc.

This is my experience. I taught over 1,000 clients of all ethnic backgrounds over 5 years.

The master race was:

>Eastern Slavs
These had exceptional IQs. Their math was solid, and they could pick up on the subtleties in tricky questions. Many were Jews.

Furthermore, their Verbal IQ was surprisingly high. They could parse & interpret Verbal questions far higher than other races. I used LSAT tests to sharpen their Verbal scores.

>Chinks
They were great at processing complicated equations. However, failed to notice subtleties and failed to recognize errors. Terrible at grammar, fucking brain damaged to be quite frank. Critical reasoning was impossible to impart on this group. All chinks can do is memorize shit and cheat.

>Pakis/Indians: Great at grammar. They could memorize the grammar rules, every single one. However, when you asked them to explain their thought process, they just returned to memorization. Switch a sentence up, and the Poos were BTFO. No context.

> Arabs
Retarded. Inbred mongrels. Had to advise them to apply to Canadian schools vs international since they'd never get in.

Also, besides their weak linguistic skills, they were the dumbest by far Mathematically. They couldn't do basic math. Literally dumb white girls from Canada were better at Math than these Maghbreb / Middle Eastern "geniuses" (most were on Saudi scholarships). I actually got paid by the Saudi government.

>Niggers
I never actually took on a nigger.

>>132964005

what movie?

OP went silent who saw that one coming

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>>132964121
This was real life.

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>>132964157
the ban comes next,
I always get baited \o/

>>132963523
Think you're better than me just because my mother's parents were cousins?

I didn't ask to be born inbred, you racist, prejudiced, God damn son of a bitch.

Neither did you.

>>132963955
Doesn't say one race is more intelligent than another.

>>132964157
Still here.

>>132964005
>They couldn't do basic math.

Can you give an example.

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>>132964327
you called me out then avoided me thrice you faggot>>132962968
>>132962283
>>132963477
>>132963797
>>132963840

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>>132963318
>>132963485
>>132963477
All you goys need to wake up and stop with the pseudoscience, yes intelligence has been proven to been genetic but first and foremost NEVER proven to be ethnical related. A redneck in Appalachia won't be as smart as black person from new England that after slavery received decent schooling which in turn would have decently educated children because of the parents education. Not the best example but if you want me to elaborate I will. Secondly the household in which children are raised affects intelligence as well. Parental bonding along with having a stable home. Third IQ tests are fakes and really have no ground to be taken seriously. You could actually "study" for your IQ test and show up "prepared" to get your intelligence measured so even a idiot could have a high IQ is tried. Plus parts of the test deal with your body heat and what not, and a majority of scientists agree that IQ tests aren't exactly the best way to measure intelligence. And if wanting a somewhat accurate number you would have to take at least three separate IQ test on different occasions. Even then it is fishy. Instead of trying to prove something through pseudo science just stick by your guns and say white homeland for white people because muh jews. I hate to see people progress backwards because thats what scares people off, you can't convince many right minded people by just stating IQ test results.

>>132964327
Shut the fuck up and address the multitude of people that have provided well referenced material blowing you the fuck out of the water rather than selecting posts that you can deny by being ignorant of the sources listed right in them. You're a fucking embarrassment

I am a psychology professor in a top 10 program and I don't think it's black or white, but I do think the correlation to race is a bit overstated by many of these... uneducated folks on this board.

>>132964508

this person is retarded on the IQ scale

I'll be here for 10 minutes AMA

>>132964487
You really shouldn't expect OP to respond to anything that can prove him wrong. Its basically time to move on and let OP live in his little bubble of equality

>>132964508
move the goal posts more
this was about race i.e. genetics being a major factor compared to other factors like ses and on the side snipe an Appalachia redneck becomes something and blows the shit out of some paperboy nigger from new york you fucking retard READ>>132963797

>>132964690
race and genetics are very, very different bud

>>132964728
semantics
race is broad
genetics is local

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>>132964472
Sure.

Where I taught, lots of Arabs had immigrated. Keep in mind this is Canada. Near Toronto.

First of all, writing right-to-left confused the fuck out of them. They asked to be written left-to-right, but I explained it wouldn't be on the test and they needed to adapt. I had many death threats.

Second, Arabs don't do mathematical calculations we do. They have some Mohammedian way (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam ). Anytime some Muslim fucker came out with this I dumped them and never dealt with them again.

>>132964584
>well referenced material blowing you the fuck out of the water

Such as?

>>132964487
Still no proof IQ is majority genetic for the intelligence of the races.

>>132964608
So how heritable is intelligence actually?

Do you think we'll ever find the genes that cause intelligence?

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>>132964825
I ran out of steam
op's a faggot
and I got no more black people memes

>>132964608
Over the course of a lifetime how does selling pseudoscience as hard science affect your psyche?
Do you ever feel remorse for the damage you do?
>>132964728
They're literally extremely related, on the whole racial differences are some of the largest differences in peoples genetics.
Why as a psychologist do you proclaim to know genetics anyway? You have a glorified liberal arts degree, not a biology or medical degree

>>132960860
just hand around some niggers in chicago and let us know how it goes

>>132960860
twin studies

>>132964608
>paid (dearly) for politically correct degree in a soft science
>taught by politically correct chuck professors
>hey guys listen to ME on this totally not politically charged and well settled issue

Die

>>132964690
im not going to read studies done in 2000, 2005 and 2006 that what im stalking about. What makes those ceridble besides that fact you agree with them, there 10- 20 year old studies done by some random unknown. You can believe whatever you want but I am saying your wrong because if a Appalachia person who comes from a family without public schooling for generations and then theres a black dude that has obviously, genetics play a key roll in catching up. like how lacks caught up to whites after slavery. Its not like on the Appalachia guy is white so all he needs is some help...no im sorry thats not the way it works

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>>132960860
You're a nigger, sorry retard. Look up the book "The Bell Curve"

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>>132964884
yes there is I linked it multiple times, you won't even give me a two sentence reply yet you've ran through all the arguments I made and sources I gave? Nah you didn't but somebody did and that's all that matters op ya damn fool

>>132964608
So your saying im retarded

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>>132965129
This is so disgusting I can't comprehend it.

How many drugs does he take to compensate for the fact he shit out a shitskin?

>>132960860
Bell curve,

Now what's going on in that pic, and how can I get it to happen to me?

>>132965119
Proof criminality has a genetic race component?

>>132965129


>yes there is I linked it multiple times

Like where. And don't just cite the study, cite the passage.

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http://www.illiteratewithdrawal.com/2008/02/nature-vs-nurture-twin-studies/

>1) Jim L. and Jim S. were first reunited at age 39. They were genetically identical twins, reared apart since infancy by different adoptive families in Ohio and unaware of each other’s existence. As children, each twin had had a dog named Toy. Each bit his fingernails and, since age 18, had suffered from mixed headache syndrome, a combined tension and migraine headache. Each had been married twice, first to a Linda and then to a Betty. One twin had named his son James Alan, and the other, James Allen. Each had put a circular bench around a tree in his garden. Each had worked at a gas station and later part-time in law enforcement as a sheriff. Each chain-smoked Salems and preferred an occasional Miller Lite beer. Each scattered love notes to his wife around the house. Every summer, unbeknownst to the other, each had driven his family in a light blue Chevrolet from Ohio to the Pas-Grille Beach in St. Petersburg, Florida, for their summer vacation. They had similar voices, hand gestures, and mannerisms.

I'm sure those nogs who commit aggravated assault at 200x the rate as whites is wholly because of nurture, because dem white racists dun be keeping em down an shieeet
And whites committing only drunk driving offenses in greater number per capita than blacks has no biological basis whatsoever....

>>132964728
reeeee answer me pls
>>132964899

>>132965376
How does this prove races have different IQs mostly based on innate genetics?

>>132965391
KEK I didn't see that

>>132965084
>what I'm stalking about
freudian slip there? wtf
also
>1999
>2007
>2013
>im not going to read studies done in 2000, 2005 and 2006 that what im (((stalking))) about

so glad you aren't going to read studies in those years because my other post clearly has no mention of 00, 05 and 06 so you've read those right? Obviously! you fucking pseudo-formal retard and your shit requirements...>>132962283

what is your deal nigger?

>>132964907
This bitch single? She want white babies?

>>132962111
well majority of mexicans have dominant native indigineous blood

Indigenous peoples of Mexico are not caucasoid, negroid.. Potentially asiatic maybe.

are you a butthurt spic who thinks you're full european? With a nazi flag to help with the divide and conquer tactics.

;)

>>132965517
See what? What are you saying?

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>>132964508
What a spastic austistic kike. I bet you sat there swaying and rocking back and forth while you wrote that just like the people who wrote the Talmud.

Sounds like typical gibberish wrote by a gooberstein. Wordy, verbose and absolutely batshit insane.

>>132965391
>>132964690
I misread so if your still here, here you go. Genetics determine race...

What you guys are basically saying is as a Mexican I can never be smart?

That kind of sucks guys, thanks for that.

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>>132965506
It proves that nature has a massive part in genetics, not to be underestimated.
It can be applied to differing criminal behavior between the races
It is not a secret that native americans are susceptible to alcohol addiction, and blacks are resistant

>>132961565
>Can't read that. Plus the sources are indecipherable.
Dumb phoneposter, get on a computer. The image is fine.

>>132964899
IQ is heritable for sure. I generally throw out .6 but it could even be high 6s. A .6 CC doesn't mean much to most people but it has serious ramifications statistically. Deviation to the mean is also present, and environmental factors both in the womb and during childhood also affect IQ. So it's a bit of a murky place to draw conclusions from, but generally smart parents give birth to slightly less smart kids and low-IQ parents give birth to slightly higher-IQ kids. the variances have heritability too which is interesting. e.g. a random 99.99% kid will pass some of that on, we've found

Finding the genes that cause high IQ/low IQ won't be easy. We probably won't have a great idea for a while, but fleshing out all the different factors is in progress (brain mass, environment, etc.)

>>132964944
I don't do any of that. My psyche sure is healthier than yours. I've never felt remorse.

>>132964944
>on the whole racial differences are some of the largest differences in peoples genetics.
gee this sure sounds like an intelligent insight from an educated person
>Why as a psychologist do you proclaim to know genetics anyway? You have a glorified liberal arts degree, not a biology or medical degree
because I'm one of the world's experts on the subject. I have more than one degree.

>>132964959
I've paid for psychology degrees and hard science degrees. I got taught psychology by someone much smarter than you and I. Well, you for sure.

Most PC professors nowadays are a cancer, I agree. They peer-review my work. As for me? Well, I'd like to think that I'm making small cracks in the liberal academia prison walls

>>132965230
you're* possibly

its no secret that ashkenazi jews, like sigmund freud and Albert enstein have insanely high IQs, because of selective, genetic inbreeding within that ethnic group, which has also resulted in a lot of genetic issues like diseases and syndromes.
Of course IQ is linked to genetics. Why is there not ONE african nation on earth, even post-colonialist like African-americans who have a decent IQ? where as Japan was nuked twice and their IQ kept souring.
Culture is fluid and can be changed. Genetics is physical and not objective. IQ is not the result of culture alone.

>>132964884
How fucking lazy are you?
Here, just grabbed a whole bunch of shit and re-linked it for your blind retarded ass, that's all you get from me though

>>132963318
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000889?via%3Dihub
>http://matt.colorado.edu/teaching/highcog/fall8/nbbbbchlpsu96.pdf
>>132963974
>>132962735
>you asked for source even though it was literally on the graph
>>132961940
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

>>132961787
>http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-heritability-of-iq/
>http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1169974.files/Bouchard%20McGue%202003.pdf
>>132961779
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates
>>132961297
>>132961363

>>132960860
SAGE

>>132965521
okay 1998 article discarded, 2007 discarded, 2013 will look at, but you don't even see what im saying about IQ, if IQ is all you goys got then idk what to tell you honestly because this stuff won't get anywhere with pseudo science

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>>132964508
IQ is not the end all but plays a big role in a persons income and empathy, The average IQ for Japan is 105 and violent crimes are very low, plus a person with down syndrome usually has an average IQ of 70, so stop with muh culture

>>132964608
>this person is retarded on the IQ scale
>>132965230
>So your saying im retarded

Well he definitely didn't say you're an astronaut

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>>132965854
Cite the relevant passages to support your position.

>>132961521

>I still think IQ disparity is real
>Caused by he ammount a culture values education and testing.

Still clinging so fucking hard to this obvious lie.

>>132965793
KEK your a professor and your disregarding the fact that IQ tests in the mainstream are not throwaway tests....money well spent anon

>>132960860
You can do it through experience: go to any majority black place and see what it's like.

>>132965793
>IQ is heritable for sure. I generally throw out .6 but it could even be high 6s. A .6 CC doesn't mean much to most people but it has serious ramifications statistically. Deviation to the mean is also present, and environmental factors both in the womb and during childhood also affect IQ. So it's a bit of a murky place to draw conclusions from, but generally smart parents give birth to slightly less smart kids and low-IQ parents give birth to slightly higher-IQ kids. the variances have heritability too which is interesting. e.g. a random 99.99% kid will pass some of that on, we've found. Finding the genes that cause high IQ/low IQ won't be easy. We probably won't have a great idea for a while, but fleshing out all the different factors is in progress (brain mass, environment, etc.)

That's so interesting, is there anything you can source for me on your .6 heritable position? Also deviation to the mean would essentially render eugenics for intelligence purposes useless then, correct?

>>132965811

Selective, no.
Natural History of Intelligence is a good document on the subject.

>>132966032
you're*

and you're working at Burger King. I don't recommend buying an IQ test in your position.

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Nigger faggot OP won't listen to logic/evidence.

Saged

>>132965925
Okay how many people where tested and then who collected the info muh (((government))) and then where they tested at least three times

>>132961940
rushton is objective garbage that doesn't base his evidence on anything but wishy-washy speculation and psychology tests.

t. study human genetics/neuroscience and i largely agree with people here >>132961815
that its anywhere between .3 to .8 percent genetic although alot of genes are unknown so we can't tell.

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>>132965987
You're a bell curve

>>132964508

Thats a whole lotta bait for a very little bite kike.

(you)

>>132966204
Ah okay, when do you think we will be able to find the particular genes that determine intelligence? Do you think we will have any breakthroughs by ~2040?

>>132966170
>>132966163
>>132965793
>>132965674
>>132965521 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html Muh IQ

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>>132965793
>I've paid for psychology degrees and hard science degrees. I got taught psychology by someone much smarter than you and I. Well, you for sure

Well Congrats on thinking that you paid tens (likely hundreds) of thousands of dollars to listen to some pseudo science gurus who you're 100% sure are smarter than an inbred hick from Alabama.

Brilliant. Money well spent, if you ask me.

Be sure to brag to your college buddies who were self aware enough to get a real job in law or engineering, and who are totally not as fulfilled and enlightened and philosophical as you.

Smug.

>>132966163
hmm. I don't have that exact data behind that number. Plomin and Deary 2015, Trzaskowski 2014 both set up a pretty good basis though,

>Also deviation to the mean would essentially render eugenics for intelligence purposes useless then, correct?

spot on. We're talking like 50 generations to move up to the level of Singaporeans. Culture changes will have affected IQ much more in that time.

>>132966352
https://archive.is/y69Dt

>>132966329
its not bait just truth, trying to justlify something with pseudo science won't get nowhere but like Thulean Perspective said just because your white and believe in the movement doesn't make you smart, this type of stuff attracts dumb goys just trying to head some light so you could have a better reason to justify everything thats all

>>132966170

Psychologically speaking, who would you least like to buy a used car from on a car lot?

>A slick young urbane professional in a brand new suit that's always ahead of you and putting you on the defensive about car knowledge and deals.

>A woman who is tough like "one of the guys."

>A total sad sack middle aged clown who constantly says stupid shit and dresses and acts awkwardly.

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>>132965362
“Throughout the past 30 or 40 years most criminologists couldn’t say the word ‘genetics’ without spitting,” Terrie E. Moffitt, a behavioral scientist at Duke University, said. “Today the most compelling modern theories of crime and violence weave social and biological themes together.”

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Researchers estimate that at least 100 studies have shown that genes play a role in crimes. “Very good methodological advances have meant that a wide range of genetic work is being done,” said John H. Laub, the director of the justice institute, who won the Stockholm Prize in Criminology last week. He and others take pains to emphasize, however, that genes are ruled by the environment, which can either mute or aggravate violent impulses. Many people with the same genetic tendency for aggressiveness will never throw a punch, while others without it could be career criminals.

The subject still raises thorny ethical and policy questions. Should a genetic predisposition influence sentencing? Could genetic tests be used to tailor rehabilitation programs to individual criminals? Should adults or children with a biological marker for violence be identified?

Everyone in the field agrees there is no “crime gene.” What most researchers are looking for are inherited traits that are linked to aggression and antisocial behaviors, which may in turn lead to violent crime.

>>132965988
Fuck off, there are peer reviewed studies included, if you don't know how to read one or even skim to the conclusions section then you don't deserve to be making any assertions on this topic in the first place.

>>132965793
>because I'm one of the world's experts on the subject. I have more than one degree.
Then you'd know all about Mendelian Inheritance in man and you wouldn't be arguing that there are major genetic differences even just in susceptibility to genetic disorders, and that the largest differences in the human genome are differences between races. Which was exactly what I said to begin with. Please though, explain to me how you aren't just a LARPer, I actually had biochemistry and genetics credits in my degree so I'm sure it'll be funny.

>>132966347
>one particular gene

never, nothing like that exists for complex traits.

its going to be combinations of dozen, hundreds or even thousands of genes just like how height is controlled that way. eg. 1 gene explains 1%-4% of variation and so-on. when all the genes line up and get inherited you get a genius, otherwise you get people of varying intelligence.

anyways i'm willing to be china will make the breakthrough on many of these since they have a massive project focused on that and will inevitably start also genetically engineering it into newborns. if we are being optimistic, a generation of geniuses might be born in 2030 or so.

http://www.nature.com/news/chinese-project-probes-the-genetics-of-genius-1.12985

>>132962178
how do some of those rich arab countries have such low IQs?

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>>132960860
See for yourself.

>>132966603
>"the studies are trumpeted by racist and anti-immigration forces as confirming their views." This is a total distortion of the comments.

Wow. Bravo, anon. You played yourself. Still no race info.

>>132966631
>won't source the correct passages

>>132966716
Prove the difference is majority genetic.

>>132966509
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html
copy and paste and go or just google are IQ tests flawed thats all

>>132966670
>i wonder why rich arabs have money
>what do they possibly produce that everyone else wants?

>>132966456
Thanks. One more question if you don't mind, since the eugenics option for raising intelligence is useless what do you think would be the upmost best option(s) for raising intelligence for a population policy wise?


>>132966352
Obviously IQ tests aren't the perfect way to measure intelligence but they are the best we have currently to measure what we call general intelligence

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OP isn't a troll from the left.
His post is a pop quiz from a stormfag.
You are all retarded.

>>132966603
>>132965362

Throughout the past 30 or 40 years most criminologists couldn’t say the word ‘genetics’ without spitting,” Terrie E. Moffitt, a behavioral scientist at Duke University, said. “Today the most compelling modern theories of crime and violence weave social and biological themes together.”

Researchers estimate that at least 100 studies have shown that genes play a role in crimes. “Very good methodological advances have meant that a wide range of genetic work is being done,” said John H. Laub, the director of the justice institute, who won the Stockholm Prize in Criminology last week. He and others take pains to emphasize, however, that genes are ruled by the environment, which can either mute or aggravate violent impulses. Many people with the same genetic tendency for aggressiveness will never throw a punch, while others without it could be career criminals.

The subject still raises thorny ethical and policy questions. Should a genetic predisposition influence sentencing? Could genetic tests be used to tailor rehabilitation programs to individual criminals? Should adults or children with a biological marker for violence be identified?

Everyone in the field agrees there is no “crime gene.” What most researchers are looking for are inherited traits that are linked to aggression and antisocial behaviors, which may in turn lead to violent crime. Don’t expect anyone to discover how someone’s DNA might identify the next Bernard L. Madoff.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/arts/genetics-and-crime-at-institute-of-justice-conference.html
https://genome.duke.edu/people/faculty/moffitt/

>>132966163
hmm. I don't have that exact data behind that number. Plomin and Deary 2015, Trzaskowski 2014 both set up a pretty good basis though,

>Also deviation to the mean would essentially render eugenics for intelligence purposes useless then, correct?

spot on. We're talking like 50 generations to move up to the level of Singaporeans. Culture changes will have affected IQ much more in that time.

>>132966352
independent... scientific studies on IQ correlation to success in life... tough choice

>>132966440
Nowadays it would translate to around 100k, yeah. But that's two Ph. D.s and a Master's. And I'm very, VERY comfortable financially. So I don't think I should worry, should I? I should check to see if my debt is paid off, you're right. Tell me about your life. How was your childhood?

>>132966591
me? I don't have those biases any more. But you asked the leading question. So you know the answer.

>>132966631
you wouldn't be arguing that there are major genetic differences even just in susceptibility to genetic disorders, and that the largest differences in the human genome are differences between races

Oh, no, I agree with the first point, the second is just oversimplification. Glad you picked up those "credits" bud (:

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>>132960860
Remind me again why we don't do polygamy in west again?

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>>132965129

Is Robert De Niro a Bogg cuck?

There's something awfully familiar about his sons appearance...

>>132966790
>implying it wasn't a trs jew
do you even shill?

>>132966656
Wow, did not know that. Do you think one of the reasons china is pursuing a project like this is because they are free from western politically correct influence in the sciences?

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People ramble on and on about Muh IQ and im sorry it just sounds a lot like.....

Here's a long video on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s

>>132960860
>Any source I don't like or that proves me wrong is not respectable.

>>132966826

>me? I don't have those biases any more. But you asked the leading question. So you know the answer.

I don't believe it's possible not to have a bias.

This is more a survival instinct kind of question. I suppose we could consider all survival instinct bias but that puts a lefty bias on things.

I know how I would answer it based on working on car lots, but I am interested in how useful psychology is vs. real life situations so I'm interested in seeing how you answer. It's not a trap or anything.

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>>132967032
Maybe if we said Hey you know what goys white people are a small fraction of the population we should have a nation of our own.....instead trying to justify things with random pseudo science sounds retarded

okay folks. I'm out. Daily reminder that a 1st or 2nd generation Ethiopean American is likely to have a higher IQ than you.

>>132967032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjs2gPa5sD0

Like it or ot, it's the single most powerful predicter of life success we have developed.

>>132966826
>Nowadays it would translate to around 100k, yeah. But that's two Ph. D.s and a Master's. And I'm very, VERY comfortable financially. So I don't think I should worry, should I? I should check to see if my debt is paid off, you're right. Tell me about your life. How was your childhood

>he showboats his supposed wealth to any uneducated hick who presses him just so.

Forget my childhood. What happened to your self image?

>>132967240 https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/03/01/7-reasons-why-the-concept-of-iq-test-is-flawed-yet-another-iq-denialist-refutation/

https://phys.org/news/2015-03-uncovers-flawed-iq-scoring.html

>>132967196
It's a pretty interesting question. I think certain groups of personalities are predisposed to react negatively to each of the figures you mentioned. If someone's rude, like the first guy likely is, I'd probably not want to buy from them quite as much. Maybe I'd be able to manipulate him more than the others, though.

Who would you be least likely to buy from?

>>132967325
So we agree then?

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>>132960860

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>>132964508
Actually rednecks in Appalachia are above average intelligence.

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>>132965899
>Goys

That freudian slip, holy shit.

>>132967325
>https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/03/01/7-reasons-why-the-concept-of-iq-test-is-flawed-yet-another-iq-denialist-refutation/
IQ tests are incredible. But I don't think a blog post is a good argument! Confusing a reader with studies is an easy way to influence people, though. Especially in this subject.

>>132967279
You're pretty funny. Have a Steam? I could pass a little something your way to make amends

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>>132966826
Avoiding the question I see, and sticking to talking points
even blood between races has significant antigenic differences

>>132966859
We do, it's soft polygamy. Ask a Chad.

>>132967480
Those high end niggers are mulatto like most of the niggers in the US.

>>132966421
^Proof OP is a nigger.

Just sage

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>>132967240
Plus I respect Peterson, but at the same time professors have biases just like the rest. Its like libtards having a press meeting and rambling on not answering questions directly afterward. The only way you can get some type of objective truth out of anything is get two opposing views in the same room and regulate the questions and answers given. Yes he makes points and such but nobody ever questions anything in the classroom, and people listening just take everything being said as gold just because its said by some with stature. thats why issues never get fixed I take everything I hear with a grain of salt, and everybody else should as well.

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>>132966195
if you don't believe me, go and travel to majority non white countries, other than east Asia the standard of living is a lot lower for a reason, that is why you have mass immigration to western countries, I want to live in Sudan said no Swede

>>132967642
Blood has the amount of variance it does. Where's your argument for IQ? Irrespective of cultural standings and the environment? There is none.

There are racial differences in physiology
Therefore there are racial differences in intelligence

Wholly correct, but no quantitative point is or can be made.

>>132967544
KEK

>>132967755
Peterson is probably the greatest psychology lecturer alive today. Nobody needs to question this because it's all based on studies. The studies need to be questioned, not his conclusions.

The studies, on this topic, are solid.

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>>132967755
What are you even talking about? First you post an article defending IQ as a metric and then you say something about dialog and criticism regarding Peterson when he is talking about raw data.

>>132960860
>majorly
What the fuck does this even mean? You're basically asking whether or not genetics influence IQ past some arbitrary line that you haven't even defined.

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>>132963531
I saved it as popeye.jpeg

>>132966766
>>"the studies are trumpeted by racist and anti-immigration forces as confirming their views." This is a total distortion of the comments.

your only argument is to attack the character of the man doing the study. ironically enough, you choose to believe an unsourced claim from who knows what or where that the author is distorting evidence.

quite simply foolish. i cannot in good conscience suggest anyone continue their arguments with OP. it is clear that he is starting an argument, not a debate, with his bias he projects onto others.

>>132960860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve6uK00AvNo
Very good documentary.

>>132961521
Don't even need to read that to tell you that there are studies with adopted kids that retain their parents IQ and personality traits.

There's environmental factors, always, but it's largely genetic.

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>>132967325

Yes there are flaws in IQ testing. However you are making an argument that the flaws completely debunk the concept of race and IQ and they don't.

One can generally observe blacks in America. Say by traveling the the areas with the highest density of blacks and watching how they behave. What would be almost immediately obvious is that they behave poorly, make bad decisions, use limited vocabulary, don't follow instructions well. Based on this behavior you could formulate a theory that they were not as intelligent as other races per your observation of other races in the US in their highest densities as well.

So you can now test them based on this theory and see that the test however imperfect also show a glaring point gap.

I don't need IQ tests to be perfect kike. I just need common sense. Enough to observe how they act, how they test, how they behave in their own countries, etc etc etc.

I mean the amount of nonsense you are willing to tie to this lie of intelligence being vague and impossible to quantify. Just shut the fuck up. You're lying. Stop being a jew that lies for like 30 seconds. Do you think thats even possible for you?

This is why everyone hates you and have always hated you. You people lie without a shred of remorse or acknowledgement. It literally drive other groups crazy watching it. YOU DROVE THE GERMANS FUCKING CRAZY because you could stop lying about everything and now you are driving America crazy because you can't stop lying now.

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>>132968071
>I saved it as popeye.jpeg
Yuck yuck yuck I am what I am

>>132967989
>What are you even talking about? First you post an article defending IQ as a metric and then you say something about dialog and criticism regarding Peterson when he is talking about raw data.
That person's verbal/textual diarrhea is so intense it's a bit hard to get a handle on whether they are trolling, shilling, or just really that retarded

>>132960860
>Prove to me IQ differences are majorly genetic
Name one other species of animal besides humans that managed to build a radio telescope. Now tell me that that's because of "animal culture", and not that humans have inherently more powerful brains than non-humans.

>>132967835
True and im not denying any of that but im saying there are other morally malformed instruments that construed why these places are the way they are
>>132967971
By who's definition nobody knew him until SJW noise started being yelled on the street

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>>132968167
>Don't even need to read that to tell you that there are studies with adopted kids that retain their parents IQ and personality traits.
>There's environmental factors, always, but it's largely genetic.
More interesting would be a study correlating adoption and rates of Borderline Personality Disorder, or other mental illnesses.

>>132966163
>>132966826
I don't mean to a dick but you answered my post with the exact same reply to a different question.

>>132960860

Can't be bothered with citations - but it's been studied for decades and the results are unanimous - I.Q. is majority inherited - You can't raise I.Q. but you can diminish it with poor diet and environment.

I.Q. isn't learned - It's innate. You can only damage it in the same manner as you damage height.

You can't magic your I.Q. higher anymore than you can grow taller than what your genetics decide.

>>132968263
Peterson is an expert on psychometrics so I think you can trust his knowledge about the relevant literature.

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>>132966766
>>132966716
In a study on the domestication of Russian Foxes it was found that the genes related to fur and skin color also controlled the temperament of the fox.

>>132968182
True and im not denying any of that but im saying there are other morally malformed instruments that construed why these places are the way they are

>>132964608
Psychology has nothing to do with genetics.

>Prove me the sky is blue

*show proofs*

>I don't believe your sources


This guy is a complete retarded

>>132967859
>>132964728
>race and genetics are very, very different bud
Moving your own goalposts now? We were having a separate discussion on whether race and genetics were tied, now you're running to intelligence?
What about Sickle Cell? HbC? HbE? Thalassemia? Factor V Leiden? MSUD? G6PD? Cystic Fibrosis? Tay Sachs?
I'm not even naming benign traits, just genetic diseases with racial components to inheritance.

If you are as educated as you claim on the subject then it should be easy for you to reason that ultimately most things come down to genetics, which come down to your ancestry, which comes down to your race.

Put simply, you are a fraud attpemting to bluster your way into an appeal to authority but you just got BTFO by some random anon with subject matter knowledge.

IQ is a man made measure created by psychologists (which is why there are different scales) and not genetic. It's not something like height, or the size of your manboobs.

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>>132968361
>In a study on the domestication of Russian Foxes it was found that the genes related to fur and skin color also controlled the temperament of the fox.
It's true
The fox population bred to be domesticated came out with nice, pure white fur.
The fox population that was isolated for displaying opposite traits developed bad temperament and jet black fur.

>>132968572
Why does IQ correlate with positive life outcomes? Could it be because it describes something that is real?

>>132968289

Most mentall illnesses like BPD are subjective and can't be measured (or verfied) empirically.

We have never had a legitiamte, real study on Race & I.Q., but we can now. We have the means with which to accurately determine race. We just need large enough sample sizes to test.

The big racial I.Q. results that everyone on /pol/ cites determined race by sight and self identifying and the sample sizes were too small to be really reflective.

Using the DNA databases to make other empirical tests of people based on race would be interesting and helpful too.

The iq argument is odd because they're implying iq matters somehow. If iq= good then this does not explain the jew or the chinese being the most cheating, exploiting, manipulative beings.

>>132968572
The metric system is a man made tool created by scientists (which is why there are different scales like the Imperial system) It's not something like weight, or the mass of your dong.

>>132968572

Cognition isn't genetic?

You can learn better cognitive ability?

society, the environment, and genetics all play a role in IQ differences in the long term, in that order of significance. They also go hand in hand. Ashkenazi Jews had pressure put on them to adapt. Their IQ went from below average to above average due to their societal focuses. Their improvement in living conditions facilitated this, as did their interbreeding (kept them from falling back to the mean). This took about 40 generations.

Sub-saharan Africans live in poor conditions, with little genetic mixing, without much impetus to grow upwards. A change in society could have a real effect on their IQ as a group.

One race will never intrinsically be smarter than another. Ashkenazis saw upwards change. Some Europeans are seeing downwards change. (Subtle, however.) Data suggests that the racial IQ rankings could flip without any mixing just due to societal and environmental changes. Of course, this has no reason to happen.

Again, an Ethiopian in the USA is more likely to be smart than a White person in the USA. So don't let your biases mess you up.

>>132968557
>If you are as educated as you claim on the subject then it should be easy for you to reason that ultimately most things come down to genetics, which come down to your ancestry, which comes down to your race.

no, that's a fallacious conclusion. keep studying

>>132968572
IQ is a metaanalysis of intelligence that's extremely good at predicting life outcomes.

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>>132968781
Nigger see
>>132968335

>>132968756

You're making the mistake of thinking "Good" = "Moral". Good for the survivial of your species means something else.

>>132968358
Im not saying oh muh (((government))) is this and that don't believe anyone, everything is a lie, what im saying is that half of these facts are based off of thin ice concepts that will be debunked in 20 years thats just the way it always is with it comes to human understanding of the self. Plus one cannot objectively know truth if inside looking out. There are just as many if not more, but it is unknown, studies and research being done but nobody wants to hear it because muh reasons and muh IQ

>>132968756
this is candid racial tribalism. "Why does being smart matter? I like my race!"

Smarter people can manipulate you.

>>132968858

what do you mean

>>132968635

intelligence is of course genetic, but it doesn't really matter in the big picture, i know many people who have high IQs but didn't amount to much, i actually know more people who have proven high IQs that are failures than the other way around

>>132968771

no, there is a large difference, the metric system is based on a physically existing unit (speed of light f.e.)

IQ doesn't exist, you can't look at somebody's DNA and tell their IQ, because IQ measures the problem solving ability and pattern recognition, however these 2 are not really important in real life

If you have 10 monkeys, some will be more intelligent, but none of them will start to make fires and understand how to make fires. And those things are what matters.
An IQ test can't measure this , because you can only ask, what you know the solution of yourself (otherwise you couldn't measure it).

>>132968776

"Cognition" is meaningless

>>132968781

no, people for every person with a high IQ there are 2-3 others that are not successful, IQ only becomes relevant when the person already had success , it's not a success predictor

>>132968859
Then what is the point of even mentioning IQ?
If IQ means " good for the survival of your species " then why would low iq people breed the best and most. I'm having trouble thinking of a high iq person that had more than 1 or 2 kids if they even had kids.

If anything IQ matters just to establish threats. To let us know (((they))) and certain asians have a higher iq and we need to be on guard against them.

>>132968907
IQ is not a thin ice concept. you don't have a good grasp of the subject matter and honestly Dr. Peterson's lectures could do you some good if you can bear to be open minded.

>>132968943
fuck Im retarded I meant answer this >>132966784

>>132968756
The problem with IQ is it is an abstract attempt at measuring real "intelligence" which would most accurately be described as the overall reasoning power of someones brain as defined by both the genetic and epigenetic presentation of "positive" mental traits combined with overall lifetime exercise of those traits, if that makes any sense.
Essentially IQ is an inherently flawed measure which can only capture a very small part of a much bigger picture that is someones overall intelligence.

>>132968907

I.Q. can be empirically measured.

You're talking hippy dippy feel good nonsense.

I.Q. measures cognitive ability. Cognitive ability in an indication of a type of intelligence.

Think of it like measuring someones squat and bench - It measures a type of strength, and won't tell if you a person is strong in many other fields, but it's a good indication of relative strength - A guy who squats 5 times as much as the next guy has a very high chance of being simply stronger.

>>132968907
Your lack of statistical understanfding is showing.

>>132968635
the reason you see and hear about Peterson more in newspapers and tv is because he's edgy, getting people rilled up not taking anything away from his work or anything he does and this...
>>132969002

>>132969045

It is the attempt of psychologists to "create" something.

Psychologists are notoriously bad at actual science. If you attended a university you would know that.


IQ is not genetic, intelligence might be (but even that is questionable since descendants of geniuses are not always geniuses).

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>>132968781
and now you moved to making broad statements and avoiding further argument because you KNOW you got KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT

>>132969002

>"Cognition" is meaningless

So you're stating that a person with Down Syndrome can become a fighter jet pilot or a cardiac surgeon if they just try really hard?

You sound like you're struggling with a low I.Q. yourself.

>I.Q. doesn't exist

Sort of like height, weight, distance or time?

>>132969068
I notice people becoming " red pilled " and becoming anti-immigrant and pro white when they come across iq information/arguments so I can see how potent the iq argument is just from those results alone.
I personally don't see the use of iq being a main argument but if it recruits many people to this side then I suppose I won't criticize it.

>>132968572
How is it that the structure of your skin and hair, muscles, bones, internal organs, sensory organs, and even your interests and personalities are determined by genetics, but the structure of your brain is not? We even have hard numbers on differences in brain size and the number of cells between the sexes and different races, but somehow they function identically???

How can two brains which are clearly different be identical in function? We have plenty of genetic diseases and defects which alter brain structure and function, are you saying these are not real? Our DNA is unbelievably complex, and different great apes clearly have different brains. Everything else we have evolved is a little different between individuals, and even though the brain noticeably varies in size, shape, and density between individuals your intelligence is just made up by psychologists?????

I don't understand!

>>132969002
>for every person with a high IQ there are 2-3 others that are not successful
>it's not a success predictor
You don't understand statistics?

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>>132968263
except for most of these places have a large amount of raw materials, which should give them an advantage but just like natures does her magic, certain species adapt and evolve to be better than others, https://youtu.be/BwQWNpgdP6U

>>132969159
Psychologists are indeed quite terrible.

>>132968437

>other morally malformed instruments that construed why these places are the way they are

Ok... Provide an example at least.

We can always examine post WW2. So many countries had been flattened and turned to dust.

Japan for instance. They survived on rice gruel and the biggest source of income they had was from selling their women to US soldiers. Yet one can examine the ability of the Japanese to rebuild and establish their country again. To establish and maintain their institutions. To build their own global corporations.

Niggers couldn't do any of this. I mean they were given south africa (which they didn't build) and are turning it into a third world nightmare.

All the plain as day obviousness that black people are not as smart as other groups. Yet people still chime in with this nonsense about inconclusive evidence and IQ being beyond measure. Its all so tiresome. Blacks have ruined large swaths of urban america and are currently ruining wide swaths of rural america. I don't give 2 flying fucks about the black guy who is on the right of the bell curve and dresses nicely and has a good job. For ever one of him we must have hundreds of pavement apes who are stupid, violent, and ruin our country.

risk/reward. Too much risk not enough reward. The answer is logical.

>>132969159

>I.Q. is not genetic

Sure is some strong science denial.

>>132969002
Yes, from a psychometric perspective high conscientiousness is another high predicter of life success. Either way, a population with higher average IQ will have more people with the potential to become a productive, or even genius, person. If the average gets low enough, the means to uphold a modern society disappear.

Beautiful thread, OP got BTFO to oblivion. I think I'll save it for later.

>>132966204
It's higher than .3

Just look at twin adoption studies

>>132969199

You simply don't understand what the IQ means. IQ is a man made measure, it has no physical manifestation in your brain.

If you take the same test at two different times, you will most likely have different results. OK?


First thing you need to understand is: what is being measured. An IQ test measures your ability to understand what the test creator wants to hear from you.

It is, in fact possible, that you would find a pattern, that the creator doesn't expect, and would get it "wrong" in his eyes. But that's already too far fetched , psychologists don't think that far.

The second problem is, an IQ test can only measure your ability to solve an IQ test. And the deciding factor is mostly TIME. Given enough time almost everybody could solve every IQ test question.


Height exists physically, in the real world, you can measure things. Weight as well, Distance as well, Time as well.

IQ doesn't exist physically. Intelligence does, in the brain, maybe. There is no real definition of intelligence anyway.

>>132960860
lmao if a pic like that were made for a magazine today the guy would definitely be black

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>>132969002
>IQ doesn't exist
Okay, smarty, so you don't have a higher IQ than an ant. Nice.

>>132969292
The problem with this argument is it only builds a case against africans or other low iq peoples and does nothing to argue against all immigration.

>>132969142
Yes, you are correct. But what he currently studies in his lab is conscientiousness and potential ways to raise it, probably because he knows well that IQ can't be affected positively but conscientiousness might.

>>132969292

The Japanese are a good example for colonialism too.

They were a closed society for several hundred years. No outside interaction. They were confronted by Westerners who demanded they open themselves up to trade (and clearly colonization). The Japanese instead built a modern nation (essentially a British clone) in a generation, and then began defeating Western powers in warfare.

Africans on the other hand...

>>132969232

> statistics


psychologists are so terrible at statistics that they needed to invent a statistical software called SPSS to perform simple statistics

not making this shit up, i don't trust any statistic coming from a social scientist and i strongly advise you to do the same

>>132968781

Stop. Lying. Jew.

>an Ethiopian in the USA is more likely to be smart than a White person in the USA.

That is nonsense. Utter nonsense. Those are the kinds of games you play to dissuade people from the glaring truth.

>>132969002
yes, it is a success predictor. One with up to a .4 correlation, which is mind-boggling.

>>132969199
that made me laugh a bit too hard

>>132966784
1. learning more about IQ and developing our understanding
2. working towards cultural changes. Koreans are so smart today (avg to slightly above avg historically) because of their recent history. Their education system is amazing.

3. working to eliminate environmental factors such as FES and other random diseases that hit populations hard.

>>132969434
>Given enough time almost everybody could solve every IQ test question.

factually incorrect
>IQ doesn't exist physically. Intelligence does, in the brain, maybe. There is no real definition of intelligence anyway.
goodness, you read like a 7th grader

>>132969434
Literally every single one of your arguments has already been BFTO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjs2gPa5sD0

>>132969531
You mean a good argument against colonialism? As in uncolonized people remained strong and independant?

>>132969206
Well like I said its use is in the fact that it shows some indicator of success by essentially trying to measure the "processing power" of your brains CPU, so while it fails at creating a full picture, it can point out some obvious differences

>>132969547

See how people low in openness react when their worldview is challenged?

How could that be? Assume it's true, how could it be. Could you assign a mechanism?

>>132969077
tell me what determines IQ then...
>>132969053
Again Muh IQ... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rational-and-irrational-thought-the-thinking-that-iq-tests-miss/ plus again everybody siting Peterson but doesn't know any other psych professors..edgy much
>>132969117
and like I said
>>132968437

>>132964608
of course you are

>>132969434

>You simply don't understand what the Height means. Length is a man made measure, it has no physical manifestation in your body.

That's how fucking dumb you are.

>Height exists physically, in the real world

Your brain and it's cognitive ability exist in the real world too, you halfwit.

>There is no real defnition of intelligence anyway

Hence why they measure components of it, like cognition, to help give a relative measure.

Again, tell me how a person with a 50 I.Q. is going to be a competent physician or pilot.

I really want to hear how that works.

>TIME. Given enough time almost everybody could solve every IQ test question

First - No. Secondly, given enough time nearly anybody without a major injury could finish a marathon. So I guess superior or inferior endurance athletes don't exist.

>>132969716
exactly

Holy shit why is this thread still alive?

OP is a faggot, and is probably fapping to a black guy jerking off right now. (Honestly he stopped replying multiple times and ignored basically anything that can probably prove him wrong.) (top tier bait)

At this point you're just arguing with an extreme lefty who has a psychology major or some shit this is just boring at this point.

No one is gonna change their view points you're just arguing to stroke your own egos. OP is never gonna say "Wow, you've changed my mind good evidence.", and this psychology major fag is never gonna say "Good point", and vise versa those arguing with those retards will never do the same.

OP & Psychology fag you're both wrong why waste your time on here trying to prove a point you know is wrong?

>>132969573


So your reasoning for this is: somebody is successful - he has a high iq - from that it follows that : high IQ = successful

psychologist reasoning at it's finest. kill yourself

You can measure the IQ of monkeys. There are monkeys that can solve problems faster than others. But it's meaningless. You just end up with better monkeys.

The important monkey is the one that understands how to create a fire. That's not something you can measure or predict.
>>132969750

You have absolutely no understanding of 1. how tests work 2. the people who create them work (and their way of thinking) and 3. you also fail to understand the difference between a physical measure and a statistical man made measure


10 meters is always 10 meters, 10 minutes are always 10 minutes, 10 kg are always 10 kg ,

an IQ of 140 doesn't mean anything, you need to ask : what test was used, who performed it, what was the age of the person who took it . etc etc.

as i said, you have no clue about IQ but are only spouting dumb shit out of your ass.

>>132968756
Because it just describes performance on a test and can roughly compare you to the average for your age group. It's not specific enough to explain how people and their abilities are different. It's accurate but vague.

East Asians are good at repeating things and memorizing, but not good at solving new problems. They are not inventors or innovators due to differences in their thought process, not a lack of ability to calculate and learn. Their ability to understand a problem and make leaps of logic is severely lacking, so they are mostly good at memorizing material and regurgitating it on exams. They cannot envision a solution they have never seen and work backwards to find it.

Ashkenazi Jews are good at publishing a single study claiming they have extremely high IQs and ensuring nobody hears about any criticism it received or any further research.

>>132969546
I'm not talking about psychology. You don't understand how IQ correlates with success in life and how that looks over the entire population. Just saying that people with high IQ can still fail does not somehow refute the fact that they perform better than people with low IQs, and more often.
>white cars with light interiors don't heat up as much in the sun
>yeah ok but white cars are sometimes hot too
How does that change anything? Yes, smart people can fail. That has absolutely nothing to do with the claim that they succeed MORE OFTEN.

>>132969716
refute the argument

>>132969750
go easy on him. Maybe I'm just not used to 4chan. my goodness.

>>132969824
i'm an extreme righty actually who is trying to undermine the liberal nutjobs in academia

>OP & Psychology fag you're both wrong why waste your time on here trying to prove a point you know is wrong?

good argument, you definitely have a high IQ

>>132969650
It's interesting how some people can't come to the perspective of anti-immigration through preservational ideals alone but instead require either stats that inspire hate or stats that paint inferiority.

I've come to that very conclusion that there are 3 kinds of ethnic nationalist. The ones motivated by preservation, the ones motivated by hate, and ones motivated by a belief of superiority.

>>132969675

Lived in NYC my whole life. My life is plenty open.

Dont assume I have low "openness" because I know that you are wrong and tell you so.

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>>132960860
Here you go read a book on it

>>132969750
IQs can change all the time just go home and study brain teasing shapes and you go up a couple points most likely

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>>132969824
Literally nobody has proved me wrong in this thread.

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>>132960860
Let me put it to you another way, why do you think it's logical to assume they aren't? If you look at the world the nations that do really bad have arguably dumb people + make really dumb decisions such as having 10 kids and population 3-4x the size of their infrastructure so that they are poor and starving.

Meanwhile the well functioning nations with high living standard tend to be smaller populated nations with high level of infrastructure and smart people.

So the idea that iq is NOT genetic between different peoples on average, is completely illogical does not correspond with observable reality, and consists completely of wishful thinking "i wish we were all the same".

Also you can clearly see cross ethnic behaviour for instance wherever blacks go they tend to manufacture the same conditions like in africa extremely quickly, high crime and murder rates, torching and destroying their own neighbourghoods if left unchecked by police etc.

The contrast of people from different places is very visible with the current middle eastern migration into europe, for example in the UK you go from in the UK a peaceful british place into a muslim warzone where police almost won't go and where things are totally trash and cars burnt and people risk being thrown stones at etc.

tl;dr the wishful thinking of the far left is going to get the west in big fucking trouble because they think it's not the people who made the nations the way it is.

A nation is its people, if you change its people you change the nation completely, and changing western people is NOT a good thing, i mean have you LIVED in other nations, most of them are complete trash in comparison..

The west is the beacon of civilization if you undermine it you do so at everyone elses peril.
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>>132969824
>>132969824
>>132969824

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>>132969987
Everybody does, it's just that if the facts don't fit your narrative, you change the facts (or ignore them).

>>132969970
>IQs can change all the time just go home and study brain teasing shapes and you go up a couple points most likely
holy fuck this guy is still posting

>>132969928
>jews are better than everyone goy
seed of abraham bullshit
https://youtu.be/P4ysxvG6SNw
when will pol finally take the benedictine pill

>>132970016
>If you look at the world the nations that do really bad have arguably dumb people + make really dumb decisions such as having 10 kids and population 3-4x the size of their infrastructure so that they are poor and starving.

Sounds like Europe during the middle ages.

>>132970016
(cont)
We should export our system so that they can have a good life too eventhough they are backwards atleast that will mitigate some of their genetics.. and implement it for themselves.. we shouldn't let them come here and destroy us with their primitive ways.. Even THEY don't want to live in their own societies, why the FUCK do you want to live in theirs by mass importing them?

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>>132970073
Facts such as....?

>>132961847
Because most people don't like to feel mentaly inferior? Physical appearance can be morphed and shifted to one's liking (Maybe not overall looks but you get the point) The chemical and physical compisition of the brain cannot be and thus, this causes an anxiety among the mentally feeble.
>Ugly retards get insecure when you point out their lack of intelligence is due to shit teir genetics because at that point, they have nothing to fall back on and just devolve into an empty shell.

>>132969868
no, you fucking retard. the reasoning is

a million people are measured by their success with a clearly defined statistical metric (e.g. income)

they also take an IQ test

the curve of the IQ test fits with the curve of success with a .4 CC

do you understand?

>>132969918
no, you're very low in openness. it's a big 5 personality characteristic.

>>132969911
the first two are the same, the last is delusional.

>>132969970
not true

>>132970016
argument from ignorance

>>132970074
well tell me that doing that wouldn't affect it kek

>>132969885

You can make up any statistic you like, if you don't know anything about the basic of statistics. Seen it many times, from Professor in Clinical Psychology.


IQ is a man made measure (which is why there exist DIFFERENT tests), it is not a physical measure. If you fail to understand this, then you are utterly retarded and it's pointless to try and argue with you.

IQ measures your ability to solve an IQ test. That's all.

Intelligence itself MIGHT have a genetic component, but generally it can't be said that the descendants of intelligent people are also intelligent. It's not really true most of the time.


You are 1. unscientific and 2. not careful enough , just like the typical social scientist.

>>132970081
https://youtu.be/9jYTPzxmpzk

>>132970100
>Sounds like Europe during the middle ages.
Are you even trying, look at the european populations, and historical populations.. in some instances they had a lot of kids to recoup from war or famine but never the idiotic amount these other groups do.. and what's worse these other groups do it when technology and other things became more available.. in essence throw more food their way they have more kids.

You refuse to accept the reality of what observable reality shows you all the fucking time, instead you dream in your little dream world and say "i wish i wish people were all the same, if i believe it enough maybe it'll be right". nope sorry. This is not a fairytale.

>>132960860

100 fucking years of research available, read some yourself you lazy fuck. Flynn Effect, the Bell Curve, works by charles murray etc.

>>132969615

No, as in colonization (or forced interaction with Western societies) are not the deciding factor in your ability to develop as a nation/people. It can slow you down, alter it, but in the end China or Britain overcame colonization to become successful enough nations.

Aboriginals would be forever stunted regardless of white intervention or not.

>>132969714

I.Q. determines your cognitive ability.

If you want, you can (and perhaps should) distinguish between "intelligence" and "cognition". Cognition should be seen as any indication of intelligence. Cognition measurement can tell you how quickly a person receives, processes and understands information.

As I said above - an I.Q. test is a bit like how the NFL runs Bench/Squat/Deadlift numbers - These aren't complete measurements of strength or even football ability at all - But they do give you a good idea of the athletes relative strength.

I.Q. testing gives you an assessment of a persons cognitive ability, which gives you a relative measure of their potential intelligence against others.

I.Q. will not give you a rough IDEA of other peoples intelligence measurements and perhaps behavior, but it's not the be all and end all - The top ranking Nazis at Nuremburg were all given I.Q. tests, and the upper echelon contained multiple genius level individuals, including Goebbels - Goebbels was also a drug addict with extreme personality disorders that led to him making stupid, short sighted decisions.

So I.Q. isn't the be all and end all - As people probably mentioned above, you could take a person with a high I.Q. and put them in a terrible environment and get a shitty person, or take a person with a low I.Q. and put them in a great environment and they'd do well. But like strength and endurance measurements on the football field, it helps you determine a persons ability to handle certain positions.

If a person has an I.Q. of 90, for instance, you wouldn't bother trying to get them into Med School.

>>132969987
>>Literally nobody has proved me wrong in this thread.

you haven't been reading it then >>132968095

>>132970176
okay tell me why studying shapes and then getting asked a shape question about 3 or 4 dimensional stuff wouldn't help u

>>132970193
holding your left nut to the right could effect it a few points, potentially

>>132970137
>>132970279

this thread has hurt my faith in humanity. very low openness all around

>>132970176


So: you are actually claming, that if you physically scanned and recognized certain genes, that they could magically be converted to a number WITHOUT using the actual test?

Right?

BEcaues that is what a physical measure is you dumb psycho shitter.


Jesus you are so clueless, I'm not surprised this board is 99% blue collar workers. Especially burgers seem to be especially obnoxious.

>>132962111
Hispanics are mostly of Mestizo background, mixed European/Native. Especially the ones moving to America, the whiter Mexicans have no reason to leave because they do a lot better.

>>132969777
did you just out yourself selfposting under 2 IDs now? God you're a shit LARPer who only knows how to follow your Rules for Radicals like a zealot.

>>132969911
You know 100 years ago it was assumed that Eugenics was the future as a way to improve humanity, 1 Hitler loss and a bunch of Jews later active Dysgenics is considered the gold standard in society with idiots like >>132970176 attempting to make you believe that things like selective breeding have never created more "survivaly" fit phenotypes before.

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>>132969824
it is good to refute and debate these shills, because people who are lurking need to be red pilled with why we think this way, also it keeps us sharp

>>132969868

You still fail to understand that I.Q. and Height are MEASUREMENTS.

They don't measure the I.Q. component of your brain. The I.Q. is a measurement. Like HEIGHT.

>10 meters is always 10 meters

Right. and an I.Q. of 160 is always an I.Q. of 160.

>you need to ask: what test was used, who performed it, what was the age of the person who took it . etc etc.

Yeah, no shit? Sort of like if someone gives you a height measurement of 5'2 for Michael Jordan, you'd need to ask them at what age they measured him.

Goddamn you're thick.

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>>132970176
>argument from ignorance
Observable reality is argument from ignorance? >>132970016
That's fucking rich, the OP is arguing iq ISN'T related to genetics when how people behave across the world and across ethnicities is a clear indication that there's SOMETHING going on with regards to that, and the OP claims there isn't eventhough there's many iq studies of groups of people that seem to be similar on average irregardless of where these people live in the world.

So i'm replying, see observable reality and the differences between people, and you call that an argument from ignorance.. You buffoon stop talking.

>>132970277

IQ tests measure only your ability to solve IQ tests.

Stop spreading dumb bullshit you retard.


>>132970439

proving things is entirely foreign to social scientists, they can only copy+paste and screech autistically

100% of them can't even prove basic mathematical things, yet they somehow claim to understand probability theory

>>132970439
>you beget an ad-hominem
>i point it out
>you then say it was me

>>132970288
because the questions aren't something you can really study for. i encourage you to try. prove us all wrong, maybe you'll improve from a 75 to an 80 given enough tries

>>132970345
>So: you are actually claming, that if you physically scanned and recognized certain genes, that they could magically be converted to a number WITHOUT using the actual test?

intelligence isn't fully genetic. for someone like you, you likely had a poor education alongside unintelligent parents. probably fetal alcohol syndrome too

>>132970454
>still haven't proved their point in 250 plus replies

>>132969970

No, they don't. As multiple tests have shown, you cannot improve I.Q. through any known measure. You can only protect it from damage.