Political Spectrums

>>132948036
>Hitler
>National Socialist
>Socialist
>Right
Right vs left is economic in nature with more state services/taxation being on the left and fewer on the right, correct?

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On the political compass, I tried answering questions like a Marxist and it hit pretty close to their defined point of Marxist, at least, but it didn't work so well with the 8 values. They were expecting more statist.

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>>132948353
Trying for marxism

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8values is better surprisingly

>>132948188
For that scale, I believe so

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>>132948036
We Russia now?

>>132948547
Then how the fuck do Obama and Hitler end up right of center?

>>132948188
>Right vs left is economic in nature with more state services/taxation being on the left and fewer on the right, correct?

"Right vs left" is a mixture of economic and social policies for the test in OP's pic.

>>132948036

The polticial compass is not a good test. If you actually take the test, you will find that it is 1) outdated and 2)not even accurate anyway

The test bizarrely assumes that defense of private property is authoritarian. If you answer yes to a proposition sating "some people should keep to their own kind", it puts you higher on the y-axis, but there is nothing clearly authoritarian about wanting to enforce your own standards of commujnity on private property.

And if you aswer yes to a proposition like :"there is a worrying collusion between media and entertainmnet", that also puts you higher on the y-axis....but opinions about culture does not mean you want to legally enforce it! Bizaare, isn't it?

>>132948036
>there are no authoritarian right jews
Leftist helicopter rides it is.

>>13294874
Huh. You're right.
It does put Obama and Hitler on the same scale economically.
We'll have fun with that, Republicans.

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I don't think these can ever be truly accurate because my perspective will depend on the circumstance. I'm more liberal in some ways and conservative in others.

>>132948036
This is fucking retarded

>>132948188
You are fucking retarded
Learn the difference wetween völkisch socialism and marxian socialism

>>132949165
If you know it so well why don't you fucking explain it then.

>>132948036
>hitler
>right leaning
he was left authoritarian

>>132948757
I think these tests don't account for ideology or worldview. I'm not sure how you'd test for that on policies alone. Maybe throw in a few questions that calibrate the categories.

>>132948753
well then social is the only thing being considered since he was left in economic and slightly right in social

>>132949272
I think on the political compass scale, American politics mostly fit in the right upper field. So in America,"Left" is "Leftist Right" on their scale.

>>132949488
#istandwithariel

>>132949399
Typically Hitler is in the center for right vs left on these and at the top for authoritarian, which is pretty accurate. But nazism is not something that can be portrayed very well in a spectrum this simple in the first place

>>132949165
Those are the test's defined points, not mine.

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I'm (6, 2) on the political compass

>>132949488
what garbage

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>>132949220
Or you could read fucking anything about National Socialism and find out for yourself before shitposting

>>132950192
That's pretty close to Trump... I could see that hitting the right-wing populist mark.

>>132950120
Then its proof the political compass is utter nonsense

>>132950311
Yeah I did and at no point did your picture or anything on volkism explain the position on taxation.

>>132950349
What did they get off?

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All the political compass-type tests I've seen are just chock-full of loaded questions, false dichotomies, and complex situations painted as being black-or-white in nature.

It all depends on the types of questions that are asked, and those vary wildly from test to test. There's no one standardized "test" so results will always vary from one to another.

>>132950349
how so?

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>inb4 gased.

>>132950583
No you didnt you fuckin liar
Why are you being so difficult about common sense
Use a search engine
"Socialism" is an adopted term, originally the NatSoc party was left leaning, but Hitler took over the party and changed it into Fascist philosophy
Völkisch Socialism isnt Marxist Socialism, you are required to work, there are no handouts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

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>>132950905
Political compass is meaningless

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>>132949488
>the cross
>center
needs to be even steven with the femichin but behind the jewstar

kek should be arm and arm with hitler. not sure why little mermaid is on there.

>>132948036
>implying anyone, let alone gary bake the cake johnson, is to the right of murray rothbard economically.

Also everyone in the purple square is more right wing economically than everyone but pinochet in the blue.

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I'm like a cross between Jefferson and Friedman

>>132948036
this one worked for me
http://www.sapplycompass.com/

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>>132950817
I tried the spekted one. Hit the same area as political compass when calibrating for Marxism, but they didn't have the category unlike the other 2 tests.

>>132951009
It could help those that don't think too much about politics to find a match if they're interested in getting involved more civically, but accuracy would be important.

>>132948746
Hitlers really about as right wing as the mainstream portion of the democratic party.
The problems with the democrats is not that they support socialism (they dont) its that they push for muliti culturalism

>>132949399
Social cant be considered on the political scale though. There are communist regimes that hated minorities or were religious and there have been right wingers that have done the oppoiste.
Social isn't right or left, its just we associate it as being because of the democratic and republican stances.
It can however affect authoritarian-libertarian scale

>>132949050
Stein and Sanders were just exceptions, most are authoritarian right

>>132948036
Put Johnson in the top left; he's pro carbon tax and pro censorship.

>>132948036
Obama... Authoritarian Right... the fuck?

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I took it 4 times now and I always got Neo-Liberalism. At least I'm patriotic.

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>>132948553
>perfect economic axis
feels good

>>132954093
Gg

>>132948188
No, social services (Prussian Socialism) are in the middle of the blue box. The red box is for marxism and strasserism which is worker control over the means of production.

>>132953643
Its pretty accurate. Did you want him to Libertarian right when he supported the NSA?

>>132953643
Any establishment politician in the US, the President especially, is almost certainly a big-government neoliberal, aka economically center-right and authoritarian-ish.

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How'd I do

>>132953643
>>132954437
The real issue IMO is I don't believe he was any less authoritarian than Bush or Trump, as least to that degree. That's simply the result of 'big govt. republicans are super authoritarian!" bias.

>>132951572
Friedman is way too left on here.
Watch the video of him talking about what departments he would abolish

https://youtu.be/JSumJxQ5oy4?t=20m40s

>>132954264
What's your real 8value?

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Oh dear, I appear to be filthy liberal scum. How will I ever get /pol/ accept me?

>>132948036
WTF conservative Obongo

>>132954873
It doesn't say conservative. Right wing just implies capitalist.

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>>132954590
Pretty boring

>>132955025
You and I would not have a pleasant conversation at a dinner table.
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>>132948036
How the fuck is Obama not more Authoritarian? He had journos jailed repeatedly, used the IRS to win reelection, sent an army of flying death robots t o spread the news of his Peace Prize with the song of over a hundred thousand explosions.

Not sure how accurate, I got what I wanted though.

>>132951497
Mugabe, Mao, Lenin, Trotsky and Castro are way more authoritarian.
Mandela is a joke, he should be at least where Castro is.
Sanders and Washington are also more authoritarian than that, at least 2 or 3 points or so.
Pinochet is a 8 to the right, it is also weird that he is a full 10 authoritarian when he didn't bother to make an actual totalitarian state, while Stalin and Hitler are 9/10, and fucking Mao is only 5/10.

>>132950956
Socialism is socialism
Only difference here is that National socialism is nationalistic while Marxist socialism is globalist in nature
They're still both left wing, one still is better than the other though

>>132955673
>He had journos jailed repeatedly

Do you have a source for this slander?

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>>132948036
Nailed it

>>132948036
I'm annoyed by the lack of first names.
Which Friedman is it?
Which Paul is it?

>>132955673
Exactly. Like I said in my other post, I'm guessing whoever made it is simply biased against things conservative use the government for v. what Obama did, or in other words they view banning gay marriage as more authoritarian than forcing states to cater to LBGT interests via bathrooms and outlawing refusal of service. Can't blame them as liberals probably see those things as ultimately promoting freedom, but that's only because they have no conception of economic or business freedom, only mass.

>>132956114
Please refrain from any posts on the topic of political ideologies in the future. NatSoc isn't socialist, not all Marxist socialism is globalist (some had the mantra of "workers of the world unite," but many are nationalist too), and NatSoc isn't left-wing (Jonah Goldberg is wrong on this issue, as much as many on /pol/ would love to accept his "Liberal Fascism" thesis).

>>132957041
He's probably referring to this: https://theintercept.com/2016/04/06/obamas-gift-to-donald-trump-a-policy-of-cracking-down-on-journalists-and-their-sources/

Although Holder, in one of the very few good things he ever accomplished, ultimately pushed Obama back on the issue and refused to jail James Risen, so I would have to say the statement "[Obama] had journos jailed repeatedly" is factually incorrect. The accurate statement is to say he threatened journalists with jail time and had them put under surveillance.

>>132948757
There needs to be another dimension

One dimension is economic, the second dimension is social policies, the third dimension is government size. The lack of a social dimension makes it really strange when you have Russia almost on top of Obama while socially they are very different. Same with Gary "What is Aleppo" Johnson next to Ron Paul

>>132948188
> left means higher taxes
Not correct imho.
Socialism/Marxism/anarcho-syndicalism in theory are against what results in the exploitation of labor (such as profit, interest, rent, tax)

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>>132948188
Prussian Socialism you dumb shit.

>>132954476
you've done good.
hail victory

>>132958055
If they're stapled to the far left, there are probably fullblown communist, where taxes are a bit of a moot point. No one's taxed on what they earned, but the surplus profits of industry go towards the state.

>>132948746
What if I told you Obama is not particularly left wing economically?

>>132958981
Wtf I love Obama now

>>132958055
That's just their gimmicky verbage, they simply want you to have no money and be a slave of the state whether through taxation or just straight up owning you like in every attempted iteration of communism and true socialism. Look at the Democrats and call them out for what they really are.

>>132949488
im with ye on this one

>>132958702
What you say is true for socialism/communism, not true for anarcho-syndicalism where the possibility of a workers' state (or a state which acts in the interests of workers) is denied.
For anarcho-syndicalists, *solidarity within the community* (not welfare) is undertaken without the intervention of third parties such as politicians, bureaucrats, and arbitrators.

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I-is this good?

>>132959256
Ah, okay.

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>>132959144
again, true for socialists, not true for anarcho-syndicalists
see
>>132959256
Again, I don't support them but I studied them.
(political science phd)

>>132959440
it's a good start

>>132950197
Mad, Nazi?

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>>132959440
Sure, here's a prize.

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>>132959144
Read "Towards a New Socialism" by Cockshott

The communism of the future will involve more democratic methods.

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>>132959508
>>132959611
Took it again because it had been a while and got almost exactly the same. I'm at the same level as T_D cunts. Just gas me.

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r8 me

>>132955305
mods...

>>132960443
You're between Bush and Saudi, so Laurence of Arabia

>>132960307
Eh, don't blackpill over just that. It's fine. You're gonna be fine.

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>>132960307
nah T_D are probably less authoritarian and more progressive than you

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My heart says maybe.

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well idk what to think of this

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So because I don't give a shit what the homos do to each other, generally favour the free market, love my country and support a blend of tradition and (strictly technological) progress I want to be drowned in Muslims.
What.

>>132957514
>NatSoc isn't socialism

I can't help but laugh every time someone says this. NatSoc economics allows free enterprise in the same way God allows free will; you have nominal control but if you don't do exactly what you're told to, you get fucked.

>>132961510
Right, but socialism isn't the only political ideology to restrict the free market (plus market socialism exists). At most you could call Nazism a modern implementation of Prussian Socialism, but that isn't what people mean when they try and claim Nazism was socialist.

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>>132961336
It also tells me that I am a Neo-Liberalist even though I am a nationalist (I am a classical republican).
I get also get only 37% in tradition because I don't want religious influence over the government.
I think the tradition of the West is about separation of powers, isn't it?
We aren't Afghanistan or Iran.

>>132961131
> centrist
it means that you have been Merkeled

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this really is the only acceptable results

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>>132948036
If you go for the political compass then definetly take the sapply version. The basic one puts you 3 points more left and down than you actually are. 8values is good for determining a certain ideology which is close to you. In the end none of them are perfect bec ause they don't take contradicitons into account and some say you should divide under 2 axis others say 6.

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>>132962734

>Obama
>right wing authoritarian

>>132960307

Stop being a retard, the test considers inclinations and general political outlooks, but there's always a large range within each position. You're only a few points from fascism and fall in the same general zone as FN, SD, etc

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I think I have a good solid position.

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Here I thought I was very right-wing.

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I like this one

www.sapplycompass.com

>>132950942
Hi Sargon of Mossad

>>132962156
I guess you could just about make the argument that European Christian Democrats or the Republicans are informed by Christian values, but it really breaks down with CANZUK's Conservatives.

>>132964185
Liberals in the Aussie case, of course.

>>132963702
Damn. Am I really the only moderate conservative here?

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>>132948036
Take all the tests I have listed in pic related and then you have a good sense of who you are.

>>132948188
Basically, the more you are a puppet of corps, the more blue you are.

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r8 me

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>>132962147

Call it what you want but you will still get a helicopter ride.

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>>132964185
I get what you mean, but religious authority is not necessarily traditional or conservative.
Just look at current Pope: pro-gay, pro-immigrants, pro-islam, fuck him, who wants his influence over political affairs?

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>>132948036
Should I kill myself now?

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>>132964700
Hail Victory

>>132949488
this is retarded

>>132964938
>i need the big papap government to baby me

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Poltical Simulator and isidewith.com are the best references.

They ask you POLICIES, not fucking esoteric bullshit question.

>>132949165
>Learn the difference wetween völkisch socialism and marxian socialism
this

Anyone got the political compass with all those little blocks that say things like selling kids for heroin etc.

>>132964797
I'm a far-right traditionalist, actually. I just happen to know the proper meaning of the words and ideas I oppose.

Didn't know Washington was a SHit Poster

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>>132951998
Didn't work for me

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pls rate

>>132949488
>jewish control
>not totalitarian
Only way to preserve liberty is mutualism

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HMMMM...

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>>132948036
Take lots of tests to get a comprehensive result

>pic related

>>132962728
Pretty Jewish.

>>132948036
As an ethno nationalist I would be socialistic in a nation that consisted of only my own group.
However these questions are posed on our current multi cult predicament.

>>132967534
Oh yeah. His memes we're legendary. It's the whole reason he just wanted to go back home after the war and presidency.

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>>132948036
No one like the cube?

>>132969342
Were, not we're. Accursed autocorrect autocracy.

>>132948553
>progress has a scientific symbol

What did they mean by this

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>>132948626
fuck yeah we are

>>132969382
It's okay, but reminds me too much of NationStates. I'd also like to see more axises

>>132948036
What do you care really?

If you want to know where your allegiances lie, look yourself in the mirror, it's the best test you'll find.

The purpose of tests is for someone else to test you, and to know you. They're very limited for that reason, because they try to understand something about you you won't say outright, they focus on some elements and have a very narrow vision. Politics, like many other fields, are complicated enough that you can't fit it all on a couple axes.

Find out yourself, don't feed data to anyone else.

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Well ok then...

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>>132970555
Actually a great point. I feel tools and information are helpful in finding the starting point of self discovery.

>>132949165
>Learn the difference wetween völkisch socialism and marxian socialism
It still doesn't belong in the blue box you fucking retard.

>>132949488
Gandhi was a nationalist who didn't like minorities and wanted them out. He should be on the other side.

>kanye
>zuck the cuck
>little mermaid
>eye of sauryon

why am I replying. this belongs on The_Donald