PAGANISM GENERAL

>>132929229
fuck off

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>>132929425
Welcome, Hail god of the harvest!!!

>>132928818
I bet these spam threads are made by the same Nazi LARPer retard homosexual "Krsna" shitting up religion threads. >>132929962

>>132930067
>ame Nazi LARPer retard homosexual "Krsna" shitting up relig
Fuck off faggot

>>132930165
No, you fuck off spammer divisionist autist.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/%201496401300754/type/op/

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>>132928818
Pagan Thread is best thread

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>>132932401
Of course

>>132928818
What's the point of being pagan if we don't believe what the pagans believed?

>>132932521
What

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>>132932774
Clarify, if you could, what we don't believe that our ancestors did?

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>>132932774
What's the point in being christian if you're only doing it because it's the cool thing to do among right-wingers? Christianity is literally nothing more than right-wing identity politics in the West. Only a few Orthodox and Catholic countries are legitimately Christian, the rest are just doing it for the lolz.

If you're going to believe in something because it's the hip thing to do, then why not go for paganism, the true white man's religion and not some desert religion?

>>132932951
Well, we don't believe that we came from Ash, or from two progenitors like Aska and Embla. Nor do we believe in a cosmic cow, or Valholl, we don't believe Odin walks among us, we don't believe in the end of all things, we don't believe in a universe that always was, we don't believe in a transcendent truth above all others?
We believe the universe had a beginning, we believe we evolved, we believe the gods are psychological phenomena, or like Varg, non-existent entirely.
How can we call ourselves pagans when the Pagans became Christians and we became Heretics?

>>132933194
>What's the point in being christian if you're only doing it because it's the cool thing to do among right-wingers?
I don't know.
>Christianity
>Christianity
>Christianity
Who cares?
>the true white man's religion
According to whom?

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>>132933315
>We
No. As was discussed in the discord the other day, belief in these thing runs a gamut from "The Gods are Jungian archetypes." to "The Gods literally exist exactly as described in the myths.".

In this regard, we're no different than any other religion, there will always be people who see literal and people who see analogy.

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>>132933390
>According to whom?

According to whom fucking invented it. It is purely a white man thing, unlike Christianity which is literally a Jewish desert religion made for Jews. Jesus did not imagine his followers to be white Europeans, he imaged them to be Hebrews and other Semites from around Israel, yes the same Semites /pol/ loves shitting on.

It's truly extreme larping because retarded Christians don't even follow what Jesus preached, they don't give to the poor, they don't help the needy, they don't fight for the collective good, etc. Jesus would be a liberal today, no fucking doubt about it, yet some stupid right-wingers chose Christianity to be part of their identity politics, which is ridiculous.

Paganism is a true return to what is right.

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I've come to realize that Jews live in the West because Christcucks use them as scapegoats for their own shit. It's absurd to think that such a tiny group could come to power on their own and sure enough, whenever anything bad happens, Christcucks never take the blame but deflect it.. this is how they've managed to stay in power for so long

So what attitude should we take? I think it should be that of our pagan ancestors, specifically Emperor Julian

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/julian-the-apostate-x00b0
>Julian's attitude toward the Jews was generally defined by the needs of his polemic against the Christians. Just before Julian embarked on his Persian campaign he promised to abolish the anti-Jewish laws and to rebuild the Temple where he would join the Jews in worship ... He arranged for money and building materials to be provided, appointing Alypius of Antioch, but after several attempts to build on the site he was discouraged by a fire which broke out in the ruins there. The Church Fathers embellished the story in various ways adding that the Jews received Julian's proposal enthusiastically, coming in thousands to the Temple Mount with stones in their hands, but when the first stones were laid the Jews were threatened by earthquakes and hurricanes, and finally driven off by a heavenly fire and specter of Christ ... Two important facts may be gathered from these sources: (1) Julian wished to rebuild the Temple to strengthen paganism against Christianity (he saw Judaism and paganism as having sacrificial rites in common); (2) he wished to refute Jesus' prophecy concerning the Temple

Think about it, if we ally with the Jews on this we should be able to eradicate the actual kikes - Christcucks. This is the only way we can be free from immigration, feminism, communism, and all the other shit that's plagues Christianized countries

>>132933953
Nice pasta brah

>>132933780
You realize you are repeating what I said without answering what I said, right?
You don't believe in the same cosmology either, nor in transcendent truth. To put it simply, you don't believe, nor do you "know".
>from archetypes to beings
Says who? Says you? That's not a pagan understanding, it is an entirely post-Christian understanding.
>we're no different than any other religion
Then why pursue it at all?
>see literal and see analogy
yet none see truth...

How can you relish in your denial of Jesus?

>Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22.

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I really wish these thread weren't a shit flinging fest. It has so much potential.

>>132934559
It would be nice, eh?

>>132933933
>According to whom fucking invented it
The brown skinned, brown eyed, brown haired half apes who predated humans?
really though, a white man creating something doesn't mean such is exclusively for the white man.
So I ask again, according to whom is it the "white man's religion"?
>purely white
What about Native American pagans?
Arab pagans?
>unlike Christianity
why do you drone on about Christianity when there are not even any Christians around?
>Jesus did not
But Paul did, that we know for certain.
>they don't
I don't believe Christians speak for Christianity. What are you basing this conclusion off of? A poor viewing of Modern Christianity I'd assume.
>Jesus would be a liberal today
The only liberal who supports Monarchy, Taxation, Traditional Marriage, and Christianity.
>paganism is a true return to what is right
how and why?

>>132934814
Aryan paganism is different from Semitic, Mesopotamian, Native American etc

>>132934814
>a white man creating something
I've done it myself, oops. You lads are infectious.
>>132933933
>According to whom fucking invented it.
Why would you believe something which you know is invented?
Or maybe you don't know. Do you know? Is paganism truth or an invention of man?

>>132935052
Similar stories, similar gods, similar traditions, similar people.

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>>132934814
We are talking about EUROPEAN paganism here, not Arabian or North American paganism, which are much different. I mention Christianity because it's always Christcucks saying this stupid shit.

Who is the centerpiece of Christianity? Christ or Paul? Christ most certainly. Jesus didn't expect his followers to be white Europeans, yet white Europeans think Christianity is a religion made for them. They don't realize it's a Jewish religion made for the Jews. As a matter of fact, the entire Old Testament in the Bible was made for Jews. Christianity is very Jewish itself.

>I don't believe Christians speak for Christianity.

Kek, I love it when Christians do the "Christianity isn't Christianity!" just like they accuse Muslims of doing the "Islam isn't Islam!". They are what's representative of it. Christianity in the West is dead and non-existent.

>The only liberal who supports

Definitely a liberal. Jesus literally tells you to sell all your belongings to the poor for eternal Heaven. Tell a Christian right-winger to sell even a few of his belongings to some hobo and he will go apeshit accusing you of socialism and trying to push for welfare. As I said, Jesus today would be liberal and would be the greatest advocator of democratic socialism, wanting to make sure nobody is poor, nobody has no education and everybody has right to healthcare, things right-wing Christians hate to death.

>how and why?

Culture thing, you must ALWAYS choose white man's culture over Semitic culture.

>>132935696
>EUROPEAN paganism
It's just that I saw the word "Pagan" in the title and thought it was inclusive, didn't know you would retreat to European paganism. That's fine though I don't mind.
>Christ most certainly
Which means non-Jews can't practice Christianity?
>Jewish Religion made for the Jews
Where does it say it was made for the Jews? I think it's most prominent philosopher (Paul) said it was made for Jews and non-Jews alike.
I'm not sure that Christ was aiming solely for Jews either, he did convert many a non-Jew both ethnically and religiously. The Centurion comes to mind and so does the woman by The Well.
>The entire Old Testament
Who cares?
>Christianity is very Jewish itself
How is a non-Jewish belief (Jewish meaning Judaism) Jewish?
Unless you mean the Jews as an ethnicity, but then you would go about having to deny all religion entirely and all truth entirely to defend such a proposition.
>Christianity isn't Christianity
Perhaps we could let the merits of Christianity and Islam speak for themselves. I would still be against Islam even if all Muslims were peaceful simply because Islam does not give truth. Perhaps you should cast down your modernist gods and take up the ancient ones? For real this time.
>Definitely a liberal
Again, the only liberal who is extremely illiberal.
>sell all your belongings to the poor for eternal Heaven
I don't think he ever made it mutually exclusive to not do that.
>tell a Christian right-winger
You sound like a liberal yourself. I don't think he'd go apeshit since selling to the impoverished is one of the favorite things for people (in general) to do. Selling to anyone is ideal in a capitalist leaning system of economics.
>right-wing Christians
stop memeing please, use a real example instead of these extravagant strawmen.
>white man's culture
Religion and Culture are the same? or deeply intertwined? How so? What about paganism makes is the white man's culture?

>>132936882
>>132935696
You've given me your "why" (which I honestly do not find compelling since it is not really "you" as an individual but just you being a bullhorn for your select group think resulting from your modern or post-modern worldview) now please give me your "how".
Is there no transcendent truth which can be known by all men in paganism? Is it just sweet falsehoods that speak more kindly to one man than another?

Hitler WW1

I often go on bitter nights
To Wodan's oak in the quiet glade
With dark powers to weave a union -
The moonlight showing me the runic spell
And all who are full of impudence during the day
Are made small by the magic formula!
They draw shining steel - but instead of going into combat,
They solidify into stalagmites.
Thus the wrong ones separate from the genuine ones -
I reach into a nest of words
Then give to the good and fair
With my formula blessings and prosperity.

>>132938200
What do you think Hitler believed?

>>132938885
Germanic Pagan

>>132938980
Yeah but what did he believe?

>>132928818

>Paganism
How does the 9th grade feel?

>>132939023
Germanic paganism

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>>132938200
I enjoy that everytime it's posted.

>>132939156
what about/within Germanic paganism specifically?