Dear Pol

You both got it wrong. The point is that people have no value regardless.

>>132897363
stop being a communist faggot and trying to fuck miscegenated feminists

>>132897532
Exactly, which was funny to compare slaves to machines but then advocate for UBI.

But how will the value of the individual not be suppressed by automation?

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>>132897532
>The point is that people have no value regardless.

>>132897594
I had to stop myself from lurching to grab a bat or something bu it was worth it.

>>132897532
You are wrong
The proposition that 'people have no value' is as bullshit as the proportion that 'people have no value'.

>>132897932
your dicklet does not deserve that description

>>132898378
Why are you so triggered? Are you unable to converse with those you disagree with or are you harping on a 5 pixel wide flag?

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>>132897363
>For starters does the right have a plan for when automation takes over?

LOL. The right's entire plan is giving massive tax cuts for billionaires and hoping it trickles down. I'm serious. That's it.

That is the entire right wing ideology for decades

>>132897363
If their whole argument solely rests on the automation part you have a trump card by saying we aren't ready for communism (yet).

On the Rome thing, I would say it's more like an oligarchy than a communist utopia among the rich or something. At this very time, we still have (near) indentured slaves (think of people with huge debts) and the top 1% or maybe more like .1% have more money than they could ever spend, so it's not really an argument in favour of communism.

Although in communism you did always still have a vastly wealthy upper class, of course. So you could flip that on them that way.

If individuals have no value, and socialism does not kick in I guess there would most likely be a huge decline in the population due to the sheer wealth inequality that will come into existence, but as we speak we are not there. The future is not here yet and these futuristic ideas have no place in our society yet.

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>>132899128
No the right is about bringing back small business.

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>>132899246
Quick note to that. The only reason communism could possibly work with full automation is because you change a key component of the equation: 'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' by stripping the first part completely.

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>>132899368
No it isn't. You billionaire globalist supercucks worship big business.

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>>132899497

I have no intention of automating production because it would mean I would be putting my own customers out of work therefore causing my business to struggle years later, yes I may make money in the short term but long term it's much better to be socially and economically responsible.

>>132899403
>Rich people have more money to save

When will brainlets learn?

>>132899246
I don't believe that communism is in line with natural law, so it's doomed to fail. I noticed that they continued on their ideas with everything turning out perfect and no human greed getting in the way. It seems the left has an idealistic view whereas the right prepares for the worst in man.

As far as Rome, that is true. It was just interesting that they blame the imported slaves for their work, and not for introducing opposing cultures.

>>132899798
Rich people don't need tax cuts.

When will right wing shills learn?

>>132899883
Why not? Are they not American citizen's entitled to the same tax cuts as their fellows? And if not, where do we draw the line as to what group X gets that group Y doesn't get?

>>132899415
That's one part I feel strongly about. I firmly believe this life is not meant to be easy. I believe there is karma involved with every persons life and the weak supporting the strong not only creates a feedback loop with the weak suffocating the strong. Furthermore I believe this has negative effects on the mental and spiritual evolution of man.

>>132897363
i don't think it's going to be a problem. It used to be everyone had to be out picking wheat and shit. Now a big machine does it but no one seems to be out of a job. And wheat is really cheap... probably

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>>132900048
This is you >>132899128

Your entire ideology is exploding the budget deficit to give tax breaks to billionaires. You're the biggest cuck on the planet. You shills prove me right everyday.

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>>132900198
Top kek

>>132899651
>pretty much this
Take the automation meme to its logical end and the system collapses in on itself putting you right back at square one. Unless displaced workers find work in other fields to keep the system going we'll either have a collapse and massive unemployment or we find ourselves in some sort of dystopian nightmare where the market largely serves the elite while the rest of us starve.

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>>132900048
what part in this timeline was the golden age in America?

>>132900268
I'm just trying to understand your point of view by asking you questions you don't answer.

>>132899467
Who told you that? Most conservatives these days are or were small business owners. Conservatives are against big government and corporate Monopoly. You say you are against big business but you go shop at Walmart for the low priced Asian garbage rather than buy a quality product from the Ma and Pa shop on the other side of town.

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>>132900443
I answered your question. Billionaires don't need tax cuts. If anything they need their tax rates raised. I get that Republicans don't care about the budget deficit or America's fiscal standing. Dick Cheney said Republicans don't care about budget deficits. But they are real. Revenues are real. Republicans must think revenues are a myth. Tax cuts for the rich don't pay for themselves with trickle down magic.

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>>132900436
>1993

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>>132900974
>1999

>>132899527

>implying that budget surplus in the late 90s/early 00s happened due to higher taxes on the rich
>implying it had nothing to do with the dot com boom which coincidentally occurred at the same time as the budget surplus

>>132900392
That's what I fear most. I just wonder if greed and shortsightedness will win out.

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>>132900916
>You say you are against big business but you go shop at Walmart for the low priced Asian garbage rather than buy a quality product from the Ma and Pa shop on the other side of town.

I don't actually. And I'm all for Walmart having to pay their workers a $15/hour min wage and the Walmart heirs having to pay high tax rates. Trump wants to repeal the estate tax so they can hand down billions tax free.

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>>132901030
Thanks for proving my point that Republicans don't know what revenues are. The dot com meme has to be the most hilarious right wing retard meme of all time. Bush had even faster computers, internet and dot coms. Still crashed the economy. It's like right wing retards have been programmed to say "dot com" every time Bill Clinton's name comes up.

>>132901294
>Bush had even faster computers, internet and dot coms. Still crashed the economy.

You realize the dot com bubble burst right when he was taking office, right? And that the budget slid into a deficit immediately afterward? No shit bush had faster computers than Clinton, we're not talking about computer hardware you retard.

>>132900392
Yeah and the same elites are not going to have much of an income without a populace that has enough buying power to purchase product.

>>132899403
Nice, now let's see that Y axis as percentage of income.

Trump is putting up the most impressive numbers in the history of any president

I'll love to see you grasping for straws when the average growth under Trump is x2 that of Obama

>inb4 it's because Obama fixed the economuh
lol you can say the same about any president then

>>132900392
>dystopian nightmare where the market largely serves the elite while the rest of us starve
I can imagine a scenario where pretty much Nineteen Eighty Four happens, with the Inner Party slowly bending society to whatever its will is. Proles are given useless jobs but brainwashed into believing they're doing a service to their country. Dig a hole and fill back in, tomorrow you will dig it back up again, all hail Oceania.

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>>132901442
You're talking about a hilarious right wing retard meme. Republicans think the economy crashed in 2001 because they rewrite history and are complete morons. Planes crashed into buildings because of Republican national security but that's another story.

Do you know what revenues are?

>>132901294
1993 >>132900974
1999 >>132901001
The Based Bill Clinton economy created 23 million jobs. How many are you claiming were lost in the first 6 months of 2001 because of muh dot com? You retards never answer this.

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>>132901680
Let's see you explain why you think at a time of deficits, debt and rising interest rates, that the millionaires and billionaires you worship, serve and obey need tax cuts.

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>>132901294
wait... let me get this strait, you're telling me:

1) the rich (job creators) aren't struggling under crippling historically high tax rates?

2) Tax cuts on the rich don't make the poor and middle class better off?

3) the highest tax rates on the rich happened during the decades that republicans think were the best decades the country ever had?

4) Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity are corrupt soulless liars cashing a check to convince people to support political ideas that make their lives terrible?

mind blown

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a young, right-leaning individual that isn't pro-abortion. Sure there are those that are against this common sense solution, but at the rate that Christianity is moderating in the West I think these individuals are the overly vocal minority.

>>132901849

>Republicans think the economy crashed in 2001 because they rewrite history and are complete morons

Who said the economy crashed? All I said was that the (massive) dot com bubble, which had peaked around the time the budget was reaching a surplus, burst around the time bush took office and (coincidentally?) the surplus dissipated shortly afterward

>Do you know what revenues are?

do you know what happens when a big bubble pops?

>>132901112

And what's wrong with leaving your property to your descendents? It's their money, they should have the right to pass it down to their children without the government sticking their fingers where they don't belong.

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>>132901948
too much truth in 1 post bro

5) Conservashits have been cucked by right wing propaganda to fight for tax cuts for billionaires for decades

>>132901849
>Planes crashed into buildings because of Republican national security but that's another story.

You realize the WTC also got bombed during the presidency of your beloved Clinton, right? How's that for democrat national security?

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>>132900198
Not an argument

I started my company with the intention of creating a job making machine not making myself a superpower. If I got rich creating jobs then it's a due reward. Perhaps not Bill Gates rich but well off for sure. The problem is public stock and shareholder trading that have caused the greed problems not the people producing products or services but the wall street crooks.
The same people who give all that money to the liberal candidates. These people are international money changers and are the only ones who will actually benefit from such automations. So you see those same people telling you they love you are the same ones replacing you with robots, the liberal backing international banking cartels the 1%

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>>132902085
The surplus was because Based Bill raised taxes on the rich and controlled spending by not splerging out on military and wars.

1993 >>132900974 (You)
1999 >>132901001 (You)

Republicans immediately pissed away the Clinton surplus with the Bush tax cuts.

The Based Bill Clinton economy created 23 million jobs. How many are you claiming were lost in the first 6 months of 2001 because of muh dot com? You retards never answer this.

>>132900132
Couldn't agree more. I'm reading Brave New World (almost done with it) and the idealistic world where people just take drugs all day (not sure if you've read it, the drug has no negative side effects) and are conditioned from birth to love it seems horrible to me.

A world like that would have no depth. Nothing to explore, nothing to motivate you, nothing to live for except for dopamine.

>>132902109
First $5 million is exempt from the estate tax. After that it's taxed at 40%. You're literally fighting for the billionaire globalist elites. This is what it means to be a right winger these days. It's honestly sad how cucked you people are.

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>>132902204
You're comparing that to 9/11?

Are you trying to have zero credibility?

>>132897363
There will always be jobs, automation will just change what they are. In the early 1900s the fast food service industry didn't even fucking exist. The economy evolves.

>>132902341
>The surplus was because Based Bill raised taxes on the rich and controlled spending by not splerging out on military and wars.

Or maybe it was because he was riding high on the dot com boom. I've provided as many sources and citations for my theory as you have for yours (zero).

>>132900919
I'm not saying taxing the rich has nothing to do with it, but a recovering economy is obviously the bigger factor in this picture.

>>132902444

Was it not a national security failure under Bill? you can blast bush for 9/11 but Bill dindu nuffin regarding the 93 bombing? Why do you keep shifting the goalposts?

>>132902211
>Extermination of the indigenous Americans 1492-1890: 100,000,000
Come on, man.

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>>132902466
You haven't cited anything. In fact you keep dodging a very simple question.

The Based Bill Clinton economy created 23 million jobs. How many are you claiming were lost in the first 6 months of 2001 because of muh dot com? You retards never answer this.

1993 >>132900974
1999 >>132901001

>Or maybe it was because he was riding high on the dot com boom.

Lol this is honestly how retards argue. Riding high on dot com lol. Bush had a smartphone and social media boom. Where was his surplus? I'm using your logic now

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>>132902400
Good Man!

>>132900268
People are entitled to their money. I know that pisses you off but deal with it faggot.

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>>132902640
I'm not dinduing anything. Yes there was an attack in 93 but you discredit yourself by comparing that to Bush's 911.

Do you understand that when Republicans cut taxes on the rich, you gut revenues? Do you understand that military and wars aren't free?
Republicans pissed away the Clinton surplus on tax cuts. Are you going to dindu this?

>>132902692
>You haven't cited anything

I literally just said that in my last post, you mongoloid. Neither of us have cited any sources supporting our claims.

>How many are you claiming were lost in the first 6 months of 2001 because of muh dot com? You retards never answer this.

I never made any claims about employment figures, I made claims about the budget surplus/deficit.

>>132897363
there is plenty of mechanization that has to take place before automation is a remote possibility....

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>>132897363

The question you should've asked them is "What happened after we replaced horses with cars?"

Magic happened, that's what, and nobody could've predicted it.

>>132897363
automation won't result in communism or a disenfranchised former working class it will simply ratchet up communism

>>132902973
*ratchet up capitalism
whoops

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>>132902850
You haven't cited anything. I have. Clearly you don't know how to read or understand charts.

1993 >>132900974 (You)
1999 >>132901001 (You)
>>132902847
>>132902341
>>132900919
>>132901294

>I never made any claims about employment figures, I made claims about the budget surplus/deficit.


Ok now you're just fucking embarrassing yourself. You don't know what income tax revenues are?

>>132897363
I was looking forward to an interesting conversation, then Obama leaf showed up.

>>132902211
>indians die due to diseases
>this is capitalism fault

kys

>>132902847

Why are you dodging? I haven't said anything about republicans and their deficits in any of my posts. We're simply discussing Bill and the causes of the budget surplus. I disagree with your conclusion that the surplus is primarily attributable to the tax increases.

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>>132902692
>Lol this is honestly how retards argue. Riding high on dot com lol. Bush had a smartphone and social media boom. Where was his surplus? I'm using your logic now

now now, this really isn't a fair fight. You're using actual facts and arguments and >>132902466 is just repeating stuff he hears on conservative talk radio propaganda. You really can't expect to have a productive discussion with these people.

https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
https://youtu.be/WSKi8HfcxEk

>>132897363
>plan for automation
Not sure what you mean by the 'right'. Lolbertarians and capitalcucks grow in wealth and productivity from such things.

I only know the center as I am a national socialist as well as a fascist. The plan is to allow for technology to take over costly work but I would imagine destroying all functions would be harmful to our species in general. It would be wise to reserve certain functions/positions for humans no matter what.

>Caesar was a communist
>slaves produced more than they costed
Haha what a couple of retards.

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>>132903106
You were looking forward to an echo chamber, then I invaded your safe space and dropped red pilled facts

>>132903050
>I have.

Nothing proving your claim regarding the causation of the budget surplus under bill. Your little charts haven't had anything to do with that.

>>132897363
>8 posts by this ID
nice bait

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>>132897363
>Mind you I was full 1488 in the debate as they were full blown commie

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>>132903167
I'm not dodging anything.

> I haven't said anything about republicans and their deficits in any of my posts.

Lol you're literally dodging.

>We're simply discussing Bill and the causes of the budget surplus. I disagree with your conclusion that the surplus is primarily attributable to the tax increases.

Like I said, you're proving my point that Republicans don't know what revenues are.

1993 >>132900974 (You)
1999 >>132901001 (You)
>>132899527
>>132899497

>>132897363
also back to le edit

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>>132903181
BUT I SAID DOT COM

I win!

right wing retard logic

LOL

>>132902211
>extermination of indigenous Americans
pre-industrial colonialist settlers + diseases + absolute monarchies seeking to replace indigenous people =/= capitalism

If you start to count from 1500 and stick a fairly arbitrary definition on capitalism you could find this kind of kill number for any pre-industrial society.
>chinese empires
>mongol invasions
>european monarchies
>warring african tribes/kingdoms
>Roman empire

Your argument is totally invalid.
That is not to say that capitalism has not caused 0 deaths, but I would argue that it has saved more than it has ended.

>>132903348
>Like I said, you're proving my point that Republicans don't know what revenues are.

That's a non sequitur. Has essentially nothing to do with the content of my last post. Calm yourself and try to keep your arguments coherent, leaf. Don't get carried away now.

>>132899128
>>132899128
Only.4 presidents Drastically cut taxes in the past:

Coolidge
Kennedy
Reagan
Bush

None of them did it to "trickle down wealth". They did it in hopes of raising tax revenue (It worked for 3 out if 4 of them), and to increase business, which in turn, hopefully, made EVERYONE richer.

Cutting taxes has never been a wealth redistribution plan. Stop being a fucking leaf.

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>>132903286
They do actually.

1993 >>132900974 (You) (You)
1999 >>132901001 (You) (You)

You continue to deny the existence of revenues. All you are doing is proving my point

>>132897363
>For starters does the right have a plan for when automation takes over?

Communism: The west is no longer an industrial society so it doesn't apply.

Capitalism: the owners of the robots collect profits everyone else starves

>>132903348
>>132903424
>>132903512
So riddle me this
Why is a Canadian so butthurt about Bill Clinton?
Why do you really want us to view Clinton in an amicable light? The infographs you posted are mostly bullshit I've seen before.

Pretending the GDP increasing is solely because of his administration and policies.
It was the 90s motherfucker, the U.S.A. was growing economically steadily at the time and would have done the same thing regardless of the president.
Or can your brainlet self not process this?

>>132897363
>Caesar was a commie

You kept debating them after this? How did you keep a straight face?

>>132903210
The Facts are Bill Clinton destroyed the American economy with NAFTA. Cheap foreign products put American workers out of jobs and when the worker loses buying power the whole country suffers. It's really that simple.

>>132897363
>when automation takes over?

What? Automation has been going on for centuries now. Are there less jobs now?!
All automation does is get rid of repetitive mindless tasks, nothing more. There is always going to be a place for people.

And for fucks sake, would the communist please go find out what the fuck Capitalism actually is, because you sound fucking retarded.

Capitalism is not Government.

And when you understand that, and understand what Capitalism actually is, you will finally understand

Communism Doesn't Work.
Communism Has Never Worked.
Communism Will Never Work.
Communism Doesn't Work.

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>>132903498
Cutting taxes on the rich reduces revenues. Raising taxes on the rich increases revenues.

Based Bill raised taxes on the rich and the economy soared. Bush cut taxes on the rich and the economy tanked. Obama raised taxes on the rich and the economy soared.

Tax cuts increasing revenues is the biggest right wing retard meme of all time.

see >>132901294 (You)

Even Republicans admit their ideology is bullshit. It's a shame that cucks still fall for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214

>>132901935
Everybody's getting tax cuts you fucking idiot
People who make $20,000 and under don't even pay taxes anymore

>>132903745
>linking MSNBC
Fixed so they don't get views

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214

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>>132897363
>Mind you I was full 1488 in the debate
>fag flag

looks like bait to me.

>>132903512


Charts showing that a surplus occurred under Bill prove literally nothing. We're not debating whether a surplus occurred in those years. We're debating the foundational causes of that surplus, which your little charts don't really address.

>>132903637
>>132903512
He's right you know, take a class in statistics. The first thing they, well, basically 'scream' in your face is that correlation does not imply causation.

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>>132903732
God I love shattering right wing retard talking points.

12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420

>>132897739
>But how will the value of the individual not be suppressed by automation?
It will be, the real argument is that do we pay people for just being alive? The answer to this is no, because its completely unsustainable.

>>132903637
All I'm doing is posting redpilled truths and facts. That's the main reason why right wing retards are so triggered by me.

>>132899128
People are entitled to their own money. Autistically screech some more, dumb fuck leaf.

>>132903834
You can continue to deny the existence of revenues and that they go up when you raise taxes on the rich, all you are doing is proving my point.

I nailed it earlier.

>But they are real. Revenues are real. Republicans must think revenues are a myth. Tax cuts for the rich don't pay for themselves with trickle down magic. >>132900919

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>>132897363
we will have people who make the machines, doctors and lawyers still. if you get replaced automation you suck

nice pepe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70E9KA48Sic

>>132903745
Yes Bill raised taxes but Gingrich lowered other taxes, such as corporate taxes. Plus, like others have said, the U.S. was going through multiple economic booms that had nothing to do with government.

I'm not bashing Bill, I honestly don't think he was that bad. But you honestly have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Anyone who believes liberals about "trickle down economics" is a brain dead moron. The term was created by a liberal comedian during Coolidge/Hoover/FDRs era. And just like now, dumbass retards listened more to comedians than economists and politicians

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heading out for lunch with the office mates

>>132903864

>In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing of the implementation law to incoming president Bill Clinton.

Somehow you'll interpret this as "bill dindu nuffin"

>>132903925
Wait are you one of the /inta/ boys?
I told you to go after the mods. Good cause. Reason why you left in the first place and so much butthurt potential.
Pissing in an ocean of piss is G-A-Y

>>132903210
By repeating yourself over and over as you do in all the threads you comment in ?

You really prove the idea that leafs hate themselves.

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>>132904196
Gingrich had nothing to do with the Clinton surplus. Like I said Republicans said Clinton's plan would fail >>132900974
then when it succeeded they tried to take credit for it. Newt was thrown out of his own party in disgrace in 1998. Republicans pissed away the Clinton surplus the moment they had the chance when Bush took office. Read the bottom quote and weep.

>>132903925
>le facts
>le right wing retards get triggered

Dude all you showed was an infographic. You are no authority on this. Even if you are in real life, here you are on 4chan and you're anonymous so there is no way for us to know whether you know anything about economics or not.

To be honest I bet you could find a correlation between oil prices and the deficit. Or market growth and the deficit. Trying to explain this just on one dimension, that being taxation of wealthy people, and drawing your conclusion solely on that variable alone seems to me to be enough to dismiss your argument.

>>132899651
>being a luddite
Keking at your life, you are definitely not a business owner.

>>132897363

Automation is gay. When it happens in the way you are imagining, people will be freed to go on into new endevours.

About Ceaser, of course he was not a communist, although he sided with the populists and benefited the lower echelons of the society of Rome. It depends on how you stand on who were the true Romans at that time.
Also, Ceaser did all that to gain power but managed to revive Rome to some extent in a right wing way (as much as one can say that. It makes more sense to look at Ceasar as a fascist than as a communist, but it is absurd to see ancient History through modern / XX century lens) and expand the empire.
Yes, the Roman populace became dependent on the welfare of the state and on food stumps, eventually.
But that is the Nation of an empire who had lost touch with *Nationalism* (or the Mos Maiorum, the ancestral code of honour of the Romans), as much as one can say that.

>>132904354
>having a copypasta ready about Newt Gingrich
Hilarious

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>>132902109
>tfw when the top 1% is 44% jewish and you're advocating for them
really makes you think

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>>132904226
Reagan/Bush spent years negotiating and signing free trade agreements. They were the kings of free trade agreements. As usual the worst argument against a Democrat is that he didn't undo stupid shit your heroic Republicans did.


12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420

Anytime you care to answer, I'm still waiting.

The Based Bill Clinton economy created 23 million jobs. How many are you claiming were lost in the first 6 months of 2001 because of muh dot com? You retards never answer this. >>132901849

>>132904354
>Bill raising taxes affected the economy
>Congress lowering taxes did not affect the economy

Ignoring that idiocy a moment, address the trickle down statement, leaf.

>>132904458
Nazi Germany had lower taxes than the US. Jew memes don't work.

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>>132904309
this your first day on pol?

>>132904588
Is this your first day in life?

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>>132904559
Lol you do know that Republicans called the Clinton tax increase on the rich the biggest tax increase in history right? Now you're dinduing that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993

Previously the top individual tax rate of 31% applied to all income over $51,900. The Act created a new bracket of 36% for income above $115,000, and 39.6% for income above $250,000.[2]
Previously, corporate income above $335,000 was taxed at 34%. The Act created new brackets of 35% for income from $10 million to $15 million, 38% for income from $15 million to $18.33 million, and 35% for income above $18.33 million.[3]
The 2.9% Medicare tax had previously been capped to apply to only the first $135,000 of income. The cap was removed.
Transportation fuels taxes were raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.
The portion of Social Security benefits subject to income taxes was raised from 50% to 85%.[4]
The phaseout of the personal exemption and the limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.
The AMT tax rate was increased from 24% to tiered rates of 26% and 28%.[5]
Part IV Section 14131: Expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and added inflation adjustments.

>>132904541

>Reagan/Bush spent years negotiating and signing free trade agreements. They were the kings of free trade agreements. As usual the worst argument against a Democrat is that he didn't undo stupid shit your heroic Republicans did.

How long was the TPP in negotiations for, prior to Trump taking out the trash?

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>>132904458
Don't be so anti-Semitic

>>132904588
>>132904309

>personal attacks
going further down the rabbit hole I see

>>132904751
Address the trickle down comment, dumbass. You're changing subjects

>>132904218
I hope you die in a terrible accident, you ruin, every thread you enter with yout CNN/Fox News teir graphs and arguements.

>>132903864
Sorry to be more precise he destroyed America by not renegotiating the agreement when it was obviously going to be disastrous.

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>>132904704
it's your first day on pol isn't it lol

It's hilarious that "Nazis" fight for tax cuts for billionaire globalist elites and worship an obese elderly demented man who admitted he's a globalist.

>>132904777
boy u deflected from NAFTA awfully fast

>>132904846
Why get triggered? Just be more informed than him.

Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down when I called him out on the bullshit.

Honestly I don't understand why this leaf bothers so many people. I don't even think he believes what he is saying, he's just showing everyone how weak our arguments are.

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>>132904845
I'm not changing the subject. I addressed you directly. You're getting btfo badly.

Lol you do know that Republicans called the Clinton tax increase on the rich the biggest tax increase in history right? Now you're dinduing that? >>132904751

Where was the Clinton recession Republicans promised me? >>132900974 >>132904354
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993

Previously the top individual tax rate of 31% applied to all income over $51,900. The Act created a new bracket of 36% for income above $115,000, and 39.6% for income above $250,000.[2]
Previously, corporate income above $335,000 was taxed at 34%. The Act created new brackets of 35% for income from $10 million to $15 million, 38% for income from $15 million to $18.33 million, and 35% for income above $18.33 million.[3]
The 2.9% Medicare tax had previously been capped to apply to only the first $135,000 of income. The cap was removed.
Transportation fuels taxes were raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.
The portion of Social Security benefits subject to income taxes was raised from 50% to 85%.[4]
The phaseout of the personal exemption and the limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.
The AMT tax rate was increased from 24% to tiered rates of 26% and 28%.[5]
Part IV Section 14131: Expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and added inflation adjustments.

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ok i g2g. don't worry GOP establishment billionaire globalist shills you know ill be back later

Here is 1 question the right wing retards never answer.

When was the last time a Republican president balanced the budget.

Just watch. They can't do it.

Obama Leaf out

>>132904958

How is that a deflection? Why couldnt Bill have done to NAFTA what trump did do the TPP?

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>>132897363
Trying to plan an economy is a fools errand. Whatever happens the free market will sort out as long as there's no regulatory force in the way of them trying to figure it out. The commies don't know that automation will destroy jobs and they don't know that their solution will be better than others.

>>132905095
>>132905095
No you're completely ignoring me on the theory of trickle down economics. Hell you've completely stopped mentioning it. But that's fine; you know it's bullshit and no President, Republican or Democrat, who lowered taxes believed in trickle down economics.

I hope you know, I love you, ya leaf. You made me study and be more prepared.

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>>132897363

sounds like you smoked some of their krokodil - bathsalts crack.

First of all, the "left" is and was in no position to do anything, and they havent for years. They were perfecty content with the way things were going, it's only now after Populism threathens the rich political establishment that they started to shill for them.

No economy can run on machines, you need a system where money is circulating around, this causes incentive for production (very simplified).

In a communist system like CCCP the economy was stagnating and no one had any work, people were dirt poor and ignored by the state (ring any bells).

The antifa commies are messing up this wave and thus giving the rich imperialist globalists the chance to recover.

look at what they support, they no longer care about the working class obviously.
They shill for refugees, they LOVE outsorucing, they LOVE the establishment and slavery in asia which causes less jobs in the west. Antifa is Capitalists on fucking steroids

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>>132904995
LOL are you delusional? I didn't stop mentioning trickle down. Your entire cuck ideology is trickle down. You fight for tax cuts for billionaires because you think it'll trickle down on you. Lol you're fucking delusional bro.

trickle down
trickle down
trickle down

>Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down when I called him out on the bullshit.

Whoops your retarded little theory just got btfo.

Lol you lose again dumbass.

my god u retards are fucking pathetic

u make claims that i btfo in 2 seconds

what is wrong with u?

>>132903210
Day of the rake cannot come soon enough

>>132904934
I didn't even vote Trump on economic matters. Nobody wanted your dumb gun grabbing, islamic and spic cocksucking old hag into office.

>>132905330
>Antifa is Capitalists on fucking steroids

except for their hatred of white people, the working class, Real progress and actual culture

>>132897363
the automation argument is a red herring. but if you want to play along... if machines are doing work, they need to be designed, programmed, built, maintained, repaired. new technologies breed new employment opportunities. the work force shifts to meet the new demands created by new technologies.

communism fails because it has a fatal flaw. it assumes equality of individuals. all men are born equal. all men have equal rights under the law established by natural law. all men do not have equal talent, skill and work ethic. if two men are employed at the same job, one is twice as hardworking while the other is lazy and less efficient the communist system pays them the same. eventually the hard worker quits because he tires of pulling the load, or decreases his output once he realizes there is no benefit to hard work. historically communism suffers from corruption of the political power elite and a tyranny of the bureaucracy. highly centralized governmental models are inefficient. you need only to read Animal Farm and remember the lessons of the failure of soviet bolshevism to understand how it doesn't work, and can't work.

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>>132905309
>Hell you've completely stopped mentioning it.

No I haven't. Are you delusional, retarded, or both? >>132905360

Lol why do you make up bullshit that I annihilate in 2 seconds? Why do you do this to yourself? Lol you're fucking delusional bro. You're fully on mentally ill. I didn't say a word for a few posts and you thought this was your grand victory?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>132905360

I'll catch u later man. You're fucking pathetic. You lost badly.

"Obama Leaf won't mention trickle down anymore"

Obama Leaf proceeds to say that your entire cuck ideology is cutting taxes for billionaires in the hopes that it'll trickle down

>>132905360
Nope, no one fights for taxes because it "trickles down". They lower taxes to raise tax revenue and/or to stop stagnating economic growth.

Find one piece of evidence of Coolidge, Kennedy, Reagan, or Bush stating they lowered taxes to redistribute wealth.

I'll wait.

>>132905360
>trickle downtrickle downtrickle down

but what is Bernie's alternative, he leans heavily towards handing out incentives left and right. He has the same basic economic politics, just a different suit.
And hatred for the working class.

>>132904541
Regan and Bush were NWO cronies you need to stop confusing modern conservativism with an old outdated globalist Republican party. We understand that liberals are no longer what they used to be and are now mostly full blown communists why is it so hard for you guys to see that Regan is dead?

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>>132904995
>Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down when I called him out on the bullshit. >>132904995

>>Hell you've completely stopped mentioning it. >>132905309

OOPS. RIGHT WING RETARD BTFO AGAIN.

>>132905619
>>132905360
>Lol why do you make up bullshit that I annihilate in 2 seconds? Why do you do this to yourself? Lol you're fucking delusional bro. You're fully on mentally ill. I didn't say a word for a few posts and you thought this was your grand victory?


Obama Leaf out

>>132905258
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer

>>132905784
provide evidence of those presidents stating anything about trickle down economics or wealth distribution.

>>132897532
You are wrong, and they are wrong. Value is subjective to the individual making the determination of value at that point in time-space.

>>132904585
Nazi Germany isn't the best example of a strong economy.

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>>132905667
Tax cuts on the rich reduce revenues. >>132903745

Lol this is what I mean. You retards have been cucked good. You spent this entire thread proving my point.

>Tax cuts increasing revenues is the biggest right wing retard meme of all time. >>132903745
Even Republicans admit their ideology is bullshit. It's a shame that cucks still fall for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214 [Embed]

>I answered your question. Billionaires don't need tax cuts. If anything they need their tax rates raised. I get that Republicans don't care about the budget deficit or America's fiscal standing. Dick Cheney said Republicans don't care about budget deficits. But they are real. Revenues are real. Republicans must think revenues are a myth. Tax cuts for the rich don't pay for themselves with trickle down magic. >>132900919

>>132905258
>Whatever happens the free market will sort out as long as there's no regulatory force in the way

No, that's how you set up a system ripe for exploitation.

There needs to be some regulation, just not social justice regulation and fkin' communism.

>>132905667
Lol you're admitting that your cuck ideology is cutting taxes for billionaires because you think it'll trickle down. Tax cuts reduce revenues, not increase them. Lol you're getting btfo so badly. >>132906043

>>132897363

>For starters does the right have a plan for when automation takes over? How will individuals be valuable if they aren't creative?

We'll produce more.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/18/basic_income_after_automation_thats_not_how_capitalism_works/

>>132905902
Good fucking joke faggot. They had the strongest economic recovery in history from stagnating leftists under Weimar.

>>132906066
>exploitation

Sounds extremely subjective

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>>132906043
>completely ignores call for evidence
>Can't prove anyone believed in trickle down economics

>just repeats same talking points

I love me some leaf

>>132906043
>Lol this is what I mean. You retards have been cucked good

Really then why do YOU complain leaf, your country should be doing Great. Now piss off

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>>132905880
LOL you're getting btfo badly. You made up a strawman and now you're asking me to provide evidence of some bullshit you made up. I never said they called it trickle down. You have to understand something. Trickle down economics is the apt term that liberals use to make fun of your right wing cuck ideology that cutting taxes for billionaires will trickle down onto you.

>>132906175
They also suffered from extreme inflation to the point that money was almost worthless, extremely volatile at best.

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>>132906043
>>132906138
>completely ignores call for evidence
>Can't prove anyone believed in trickle down economics

>just repeats same talking points

I love me some leaf

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>>132906280
you believe in trickle down economics. you fight for it. and then u get triggered by the term that liberals use to make fun of your billionaire globalist cuck ideology

AHAHAHAHAHA

>>132906359

it's irrelevant as long as people have jobs. It worked.

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>>132906450
you believe in it. lol. you're the one in this thread defending tax cuts for the rich and now you're getting triggered by the term that liberals use to make fun of your cuck ideology

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>>132897363

I for one welcome our new robot overlords!

...but seriously the robots are gonna take ur jerbs and communism is the answer.

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>>132906043

Trickle down is a strawman.

We still have kikes making this sophomoric argument?

http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf

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>>132906450
TO RECAP THIS THREAD: THIS RIGHT WING RETARD SPENT THE ENTIRE THREAD DEFENDING TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH, GOT BTFO, NOW DINDUS THAT HE BELIEVES IN TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS EVEN THOUGH THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE FIGHTS FOR.

Obama Leaf out

>>132906175
>ten year period ending in collapse

Nice sample size. I guess if Hitler didn't destroy germany by chimping out on all his neighbors we might have seen the long term results. I'm guessing it would be the same as every socialist economy in history. Inflation and a draining of the banked production capitalism started it with.

>>132902211
>nazi terror camps
>muh 25 gorillion

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>>132906344
>admits liberals made it up
Yes, liberas made up a lie to confuse dumbass liberals, and Canadians.

Again, no proof that anyone believed lowering taxes would redistribute wealth. No one that garbage. It was to grow the economy, which meant everyone got richer, including the rich, and to increase tax revenue. See the roaring 20s.

Holy fuck, you've been btfo. It's okay leaf, we can't win them all.

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>>132906622
It's not a strawman. It's the perfectly apt term that explains right wing cuck ideology that tax cuts for billionaires will somehow benefit you.

you cucks try to dindu trickle down economics while you actively fight for trickle down economics, it's the most hilarious thing ever

>>132899128
I believe it was a democrat who said a rising tide lifts all boats. not exactly right wing. I guess it all depends on your view of private property. if you believe that the fruits of your labors are yours to do with as you please, and you have no claim to the property of others then you are right leaning. if you believe you have a right to the fruits of your neighbor's labor, then you are a leftist. it really is that simple. you may say "muh infrastructure" or "muh educations", but these should be paid for by the people who use and benefit from them. libertarian, constitutionalist, right wing... you either believe government theft of private property is legitimate, or you don't.

>>132906553
Did you know anyone that lived in Germany in that era?

>>132906664
>Obama Leaf out

Haven't you "left" this thread like 10 times already? Yet you always come back to make another autistic post? I can imagine your sweaty hands typing away furiously, lol

>>132906791

>its not a strawman
>continues to strawman

welp, looks like a i win another one

>>132905887
Value is just an idea. Why does gold have value? Because we give it value.
Why does a person have value? Because he/she is given value. Now most people give themselves value because they are valuable to themselves then. Additional value is given by family and friends. Now communists don't care about that they only want to know about what kind of value functional or utility for the state. They want to determine that you have no value so they can live like elites or so they think.

>>132906803
>>132906803
It was Kennedy. As he lowered taxes.

Don't tell the leaf though. his mind will explode

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>>132906712
You just spent the entire thread actively fighting for trickle down economics and then you dindu that u believe in trickle down economics. It's the most hilarious thing ever. >>132906664

Trump's tax cut plan. This is what u fight for >>132899403

I don't think you cucks even realize how badly you btfo yourselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hnM6xNjeU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

>>132900919
>reduced deficit, but increased debt.

Hmm, really makes you think.

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>>132906622
Oh, well yeah, Capitalism is a strawman.
Capitalism is shit.
You're shit.

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>>132907080
>now he's even straw manning posters

lmao this debate is over. He has nothing left. He's a defeated dumbass

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>>132907062
Now you're fighting for JFK's top tax rate of 70%? LOL!!!

Aren't you the cuck in this thread who claimed that cutting taxes on the rich increased revenues and got btfo HARD >>132903745

You spent the entire thread fighting for trickle down economics and then at the end when u got btfo you dindud trickle down economics. LOL

>>132906359
inflation was lower than Weimar rule. Nice meme

>>132899883
who decides whom is rich? and who decides what is done with the private property confiscated from "the rich". are we going to "vote" on it? see, now we have a "democratic" system where you can vote to have the state steal somebody else's money, and give some of it to you. it's absurd.

>>132907165
Says the retard who believes in the rantings of a lazy economic illiterate

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>>132907252
My god u btfo so badly. Your desperation is sad.

You said Tax cuts for the rich increase revenues >>132903498

You got btfo >>132903745

And then you dindued your entire cuck ideology that you just spent the entire thread fighting for. LOL your dinduism is off the charts.

So now you opposed Trump's tax cuts on the rich? >>132899403

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RIGHT WING RETARD SPENDS THE ENTIRE THREAD ARGUING FOR TRUMP'S TRICKLE DOWN TAX CUTS ON THE RICH.

AND THEN WHEN HE GETS BTFO, HE DINDUS THAT HE EVER SUPPORTED TRUMP'S TRICKLE DOWN TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH

LOL WTF?!?!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353

>>132905887
But this is wrong stupid idiot
Things like food, water, power, even labor have inherent value. No human could possibly exist and continue existing that didn't value food, for example
Back to econ 201 with you

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>>132907726

>>132907532
Says the capitalist enabler who enjoys not profiting from his labor. Ooooh! Got 'em.

</thread>

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>>132907536
>>132907637
>>132907726
>this much damage control
Im honestly embarrassed for you

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>>132907016
See
>>132907750
And learn to think within reality instead of arguing economics in ideal settings

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>>132907305
>>132907305
Never defended Kennedy. He was still a liberal and wanted taxes higher than I like. He still believed, at one point, they needed to be lowered. Two reasons:

1)Tax revenue was low (rich were hiding their money)

2)He believed the ride raised all boats. He thought it would grow the economy for everyone, including the rich.

You are now longer the Obama leaf. You are now the straw man leaf

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REAL TRICKLE DOWN HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

LMAO

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

OBAMA LEAF OUT

FOR REAL

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>>132907764
>Muh labor theory of value
I dont know whats more embarrassing your attempts at banter or your shit tier economic beliefs

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>>132907536
>>132907536
Read my statement again leaf. I said the presidents did that because they believed it.

You just can't help it, can you, leaf?

>>132907360
>Weimar rule
Rule by Decree?
How is this relevant?
Their economy only stayed afloat by endlessly printing money to pay debts, which they eventually defaulted on.

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>>132907886
Lol you got btfo so badly. You should watch this video, it annihilated your entire trickle down cuck ideology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214 [Embed]

>>132903745

>You are now longer the Obama leaf. You are now the straw man leaf


You're only saying this because I called you out on strawmanning me and u got caught red handed.

>LOL you're getting btfo badly. You made up a strawman and now you're asking me to provide evidence of some bullshit you made up. I never said they called it trickle down. You have to understand something. Trickle down economics is the apt term that liberals use to make fun of your right wing cuck ideology that cutting taxes for billionaires will trickle down onto you. >>132906344


You really are like a kindergarten kid.

You said Tax cuts for the rich increase revenues >>132903498

You got btfo >>132903745 (You)

And then you dindued your entire cuck ideology that you just spent the entire thread fighting for. LOL your dinduism is off the charts.

So now you opposed Trump's tax cuts on the rich? >>132899403 (You)

Lol when right wing retards have to dindu their entire trickle down cuck ideology, I must be winning pretty damn hard.

fuck me in the pussy with a rake mOom

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>>132908194
LOL AHAHAHAAH your entire argument is that it doesn't count if the president didn't say it? LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHA omfg u r retarded bro

Obama never said Trump is obese, therefore Trump must not be obese. Literally your argument. Omfg you're been massacred.

Read >>132908298

WAtch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214 [Embed] [Embed]


Goodbye

>>132908073
I said </thread>, fucker.

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>>132908298
>can't rebuttal, just repeats debunked shit over and over

We broke him, lads

>>132899403
>Lowest 25% will pay zero taxes
Waaah. We aren't getting a big enough tax cut as the rich!

>>132897532
As long as AIs are not as good as human brains mixing different ideas and memes into working new ones, men has value. But how to value it, no idea. Not paying evry moron a fixed sum of course, that just makes people lazy and uncreative

Fuck OP btw, he is a faggot

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"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6ZNHKLiP0&feature=youtu.be&t=214

are their any examples of communism actually benefiting the masses?

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>>132908426
>HAHAHAHA JUST BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT NEVER SAID IT, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. I SUPERIMPOSED ON THEM WHAT I BELIEVE SO THEY ARE LIARS

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>>132908461
you got rebutted. you got btfo

>>132908574
>>132908426
>>132908298
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>>132907726
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>>132907305

Lol when right wing retards have to dindu their entire trickle down cuck ideology, I must be winning pretty damn hard. >>132908298

You spent the entire thread fighting for Trump's trickle down tax cuts, you got btfo, and now you dindu. That's what happened lol.

GG

>>132901294
the 08 crash was precipitated by the mortgage housing crisis. the mortgage housing crisis was precipitated by the state who mandated that banks make home loans to underqualified borrowers. when these people began to go belly-up, banks started mixing the bad loans with other assets and selling them as investments. when whistle blowers tried to expose the failures of the state the were humiliated and scoffed at because the money changers and politicians were rolling in shekels. it blew up, and the global economy was brought to its knees. the fed printed up a bunch of imaginary money and forced banks and big biz to participate in the scam. it had nothing to do with taxes. to increase revenue you need to increase the tax base. to increase the tax base you add workers to the economy. to add workers to the economy you take your foot off of the throat of business. America has killed the goose, and wonders why the supply of golden eggs has dried up.

>>132899497
The corrupt rich, will just receive extra printed money, while the legit rich will go broke. So the corrupt rich will buy up all the industry, which is the single purpose of wall street.

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>>132908697
Republicans cut taxes on the rich, but they don't "believe in it"

lol what an argument u got there

>>132908461
Nah he just does this in Cycles comes to /pol/ gets BTFO leaves for weeks or sometimes months tries again repeat ad infinitum

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>>132908881
wat

>>132908778
This. Fuck Keynes.

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>>132908550
OP has a valid question though, what does the average man do for work when automation and AI are cheaper than his work?

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>>132897363
>I cant think or provide good arguments so I need the hivemind of a herd mentality to make arguments for me

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>>132908921
when u retards have to dindu your own trickle down tax cut on the rich ideology >>132899403

that's me winning kiddo

remember when the retard claimed i stopped saying trickle down LOL

>Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down >>132904995

>>Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down when I called him out on the bullshit. >>132904995

It's like u retards try to be wrong about everything

>>132909077
>Appeal to OP
>Valid Question
>>>/r/eddit

>>132908778
Because Clinton repealed the Glass Steagal act which made a legal division between commercial and investment banking

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Hey trickle down retard, remember this?


>Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down >>132904995

>>Notice he stopped mentioning trickle down when I called him out on the bullshit. >>132904995

LOL

Obama Leaf out

What an easy victory

underrated based hillary >>132899497

>>132902640
you think the 9/11 disaster was a national security failure? it was a national security triumph! all the wildest dreams of big state realized in the span of about 2 hours. if you believe that was pulled off by 19 losers with box cutters you've lost your mind.

>>132906837

>Did you know anyone that lived in Germany in that era?

No, I only know the situation from my degree in history.

>>132902671
is that taken from an official native American census figure from the 15th century?

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>>132909225
Honestly i just feel sorry for you at this point you get BTFO and post pictures of you cheering yourself on with a proxy and call everyone else retards, you must have a very sad life.

>>132907637
>RIGHT WING RETARD SPENDS THE ENTIRE THREAD ARGUING FOR TRUMP'S TRICKLE DOWN TAX CUTS ON THE RICH. AND THEN WHEN HE GETS BTFO, HE DINDUS THAT HE EVER SUPPORTED TRUMP'S TRICKLE DOWN TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH

and at the same time the establishment regains power. and the leftwing cuckery is complete.

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Obama Leaf is crazy today. I cannot wait to watch Canada collapse

>>132902692
and you're insinuating that a tax increase created 23 million jobs. sure it did.

>>132909562
Ontario is the greatest example of leftist economic mismanagement. Along with Illinois.

>>132909077
the same thing we do now, coal was once dug by pickaxe and shovel , dumped in a wheel barrow and hauled to the surface, as time went on the wheel barrow was replaced with tracks and carts, pickaxe and shovel replaced by drills. when it is fully automated the workforce will shift into maintenance for those machines. full reliance on the state has never provided universal benefit for any country. times change, that sucks for a lot of the older workforce, but times change, think of all the candle makers that went out of business, somehow they survived.

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>>132897363
>For starters does the right have a plan for when automation takes over? How will individuals be valuable if they aren't creative?
1. Maintenance and construction of said automation will become a big market.
2. Automation is currently a straw man and in the event it happened over night the security and property rights would be extremely volatile given hackers and other forms of digital attacks. Which would also create a big market.
3. People only lose value when there is no need for human talent in any form. Slavery. These communists want robot slaves in order to construct a classless society that is depended on money distributed by the big government, which will work until the populous decides these "things' have rights.
>Also, after stomping around history we landed on Caeser and it was their contention that he was a commie killed by capitalists and the "automated" slave force provided Rome with enough material goods that citizens became worthless.
1. Caeser was a fascist, that is undisputable; he had the title of "Emperor". If anything he was the "first" National Socialist, which also happens to be what many NatSocs modeled themselves after (Rome).
2. The slave labor was genius and so were the armies that gave citizenship through service. Citizens became soldiers and then retired to better politics while retaining all rights the would be taken away under a government controlled market.

>>132909374
My grandmother on my mother's side of the family lived in Germany during that time. They were fortunate that they were farmers so they did not starve and could barter for what they needed but the people suffered when they could not use their savings because they ended being worthless.

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>>132909551
I btfo you retards in 2 seconds. Why is Trump blowing up the budget deficit to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires? Now find a way of saying it'll trickle down without saying it'll trickle down. It still means you think it'll trickle down.

LOL

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>>132906344

Obama Leaf out

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>>132902025
Abortion violates the 5th amendment. If you don't like freedom, then you can fuck right off to Europe.

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>>132897739
Conservatism and right wing ideals seem to value life itself. Its the left that has to assign a value to a person since life itself has no value to a commune.

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>>132907863
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You wish ;)

>>132910061
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-companies-hoarding-25-trillion-of-cash-overseas-2016-9

In fact, the amount of cash held by US-based companies in foreign countries hit a record $2.5 trillion in 2015, which is roughly 14% of the US's total GDP, according to Andrew Hunter, an economist at Capital Economics, who described the increase as companies "hoarding" cash overseas.

Hunter notes that many firms are keeping the cash abroad to avoid the US's 35% corporate tax rate (though to be fair, companies are paying much less than that), which is the highest among developed market countries.

>>132910061
See im not even making an argument on economics and you feel the need to push your retard left wing bs like its the holy scripture. You must have nothing better to do with your life and revel in your perceived victories

>>132910061
According to Hunter, if this cash were brought back to the US and invested by firms, it could be a significant economic boost. Unfortunately, despite some suggestions of one-time exemptions, tax rates as they stand now are too big of a discouragement in bringing back this cash — though there may be some possibility of a change after the presidential election in November.

Additionally, the repatriation of cash has previously not brought about investments that would boost the economy and have instead been an indirect boost at best.

In Hunter's opinion, the large domestic cash stockpiles show that companies are generally unwilling to invest in long-term projects, thus the repatriated cash probably wouldn't boost investment significantly.

"Instead, evidence from a previous tax holiday in 2004 suggests that repatriated earnings would probably be returned to shareholders," Hunter wrote. "This would, however, provide an indirect boost to the economy, if shareholders then used the funds to increase consumption and the government spent its extra tax revenue."

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>>132909887
3. Large empires require large labor forces. There is no way to tell if automation is even "suitable" to perform every human task or even if it is needed to perform every human task.
4. There would be not elimination of classes because of the emergence of a robotic class
>not real communism
5. Rome was only able to F U N D it's empire through war, not labor. Taxes too.
6. People build empires, money sustains them
seig heil,

14/88

>>132909951

>My grandmother on my mother's side of the family lived in Germany during that time. They were fortunate that they were farmers so they did not starve and could barter for what they needed but the people suffered when they could not use their savings because they ended being worthless.

The debt Geramny was in afterthe first world war was steep, Hitlers mobilization created a whole industry of jobs, but it didn't last long into the second world war.

Debt is always overrated, it doesn't mean much, the best and only way to keep a country going and to keep money flowing through is to allow for industrial growth.

I hope Trump does something like that, he can forego the debt to the EU. They don't need or deserve anymore, it's all going straight to corruption anyway.

The reason Asia is becomming a booming economy is because of the lapse free trade policies and the lack of protection for local jobs (protectionism) but the establishment hates that, but it is actually downright unionist to have such policies in place.

>>132910061

>Why is Trump blowing up the budget deficit to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires?

who cares. If you put Trumps tax cuts and Hillary's costly donor favours next to each other, Trump wouldn't be able to hold a candle to Hillary's spending spree.
She is literally the candidate who received the most amount of donor money in American history.

>>132901849
Did you forget the part where Clinton could have killed Bin Laden and prevented 9/11 but didn't because he was too much of a pussy to go through with it?

>>132899527
really makes u think

>>132902341
Spending cuts were forced on him by Republicans that took Congress. It would take both spending cuts and tax increases to balance the budget, but given how bipartisanship is dead, that'll never happen again. Although it's not as important as the autistic libertarians would tell you.