Borders of Europe according to haplogroups

Can we include Poland in R1b?

>>132862642
and exclude Spain

Not accurate

>>132862587
Ah so Dutch people were Sicilians all along

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>>132862587
really makes you think

>>132862587
haplogroup =/= race

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>>132862587
Daily reminder

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>>132862587
Those aren't the actual haplogroups. Pic related are

E1B1B is objectively the best haplomeme

Interesting how Armenia is also R1b.

>>132862642
No and you have to go back.

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>>132862587

Where is T-M70?

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>>132862587
lol Bulgars are niggers

Expected Albanians to be ones tho.

>>132863316
>14 words
I wish

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>>132862864
>south slavic
>saridinian

Bullshit. R1a is slavic, l2a are people that have been living there since the last ice age. For example, Croats who came from the east are slavic and they croatized the l2a people in Dalmatia and south bosnia. There's no ''south slavic'' group, l2a people are tall, dark skinned and have large noses. Totally different from r1a slavs.

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>>132863167
looks like you've been SLAVED.

>>132863167
TOP KEK

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>>132862852
haplogroups are a social construct

>>132863063
>>132863063
Armenians got BLEACHED by crusaders when they lived in Cilicia. Many have blue eyes and blonde hair thanks to Frederick Barbarossa's 100000 men.

>>132862587
Largest group in Norway is L1

>Bulgaria as same as North Africa

wait this is real? top kek wat

>>132862697

Go fuck yourself you fucking toothpaste we are the country with bigger R1b in the fucking planet you fucking faggot piece of shit

>>132862977
>R1 in Serbia
Lol no, they have more E in them making them closer to Greeks than to "slavs"
As for Croatia, I overwhelms R by being over 50% on it"s own

>britain has the same haplomeme as spain, portugal and italy even though only 22% of white british people have brown eyes
Someone explain this to me.

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>>132862587
>"poland"
>not german

fake news af

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>>132863167
Hello my fellow r1berian civilized European brothers.

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>>132863862
>R1b in the fucking planet

is that the Moorish haplogoup?

>>132862864
Seeing those high-numbers of R1b in Scotland and Ireland and knowing about the celtic ancestory in France and Spain, is R1b really a South-European haplogroup of a Celtic one?

>>132862587
>sharing a country with France and Spain
>acceptable
No.

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>>132863862
Kek haplomemes are real

Haplogroups don't mean much in terms of ethnicity. A nigger could have the most nordic haplogroup on earth.

>>132863939
Anglo-Saxon/Nordic Viking invasions and migrations.

>>132864004
The Mediterranean is Arabic not Celtic

>>132862587
Hey,at least I'm not Greek

>>132863939
Your haplogroup is quite irrelevant to your eye color unfortunately. It only says something about your patrilineal descent, but that's not what determines your eye color.

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>>132864044
Highest R1berian is basque country.

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>>132862587
R1B master race reporting in

>>132864109
>>132864224
So we have Celtic Mothers and Nordic Fathers?

Cucked

>>132864363
>that pic
>that flag
No.

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>>132863768
> Burger genetic research

did you take a loan from Mr Noseberg to study physical anthropology?

>>132864429
The English are racially Celto-Germanic and culturally Germanic. Anglo-Saxons settled and mixed with the native filthy inbred Celt populace, sadly. Nordic Vikings did the same later on.

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>>132864545
How are the natives filthy and inbred? Why do you hate your heritage?

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>>132864445
YES!
OH YES!

>>132864545
Paki

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>>132862587
I'm okay with this.

>>132864664
>your heritage
My Maternal side is German, paternal side is Danish. Celts were well known to share wives amongst family members. Biggest mistake the Anglos made was not displacing them or outright eradicating them. It destroyed their genetic bloodlines and watered the blood down. You don't mix with inferior peoples.

>>132864737
inbred

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>>132864664
he was propably a saxon Kang before the Celtniggers stole it from him.

Is that why the English hate the Irish?

>>132862642
nope

>>132864237
La Rioja fellow, feels good man

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>>132864859
>You'll never be this autistic

>>132862977
Bosnia is more R1a than Serbia

>>132864887
Sleep tight Saxon. Thanks for the blonde hair

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>>132864836
I've spoken to you about this before, and you didn't provide me with a source for your "share wives amongst family members" argument. Can you do it now or are you going to continue to talk out of your arse? Also, fuck off from this country: you aren't English. By which criteria are the natives inferior? You do understand that most English people are majority-native, as you admitted last time we spoke, so most English innovators and scientists and so on, like Charles Darwin and Cecil Rhodes, are also native-majority (just look at their phenotypes)? I suppose, being the idiot you are, you appreciate 19th Century propaganda about the Irish too, like pic related.

>>132865039
You know your inferior and you don't like it.

>>132865077
A fucking Dane is talking about inferiority. Talk to me about the Danish Empire, please. The proof is in the pudding, Canute, and the "inferior" Englishmen's innovations and contributions to society over this country's history have put yours to shame.

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>>132862864
Updated one.

>>132865074
>implying that picture on the Irish isn't true
Read up on the Cantiaci tribe. They lived in Kent I believe. It was common knowledge that they shared wives amongst each other.
>you aren't English
And neither are you, you're Welsh. A "Norman" as well. Why don't you bugger off back to Normandy?

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>>132865221
England is 85% R1b.
Kek my fellow bro

>>132865221
I'm an English person born in Wales (Pembroke is "Little England Beyond Wales"). Some Norman tenuous Norman ancestry means fuck all.
>one tribe
One small tribe in Britain must mean every tribe did it, right? How about you provide me with a direct source instead of telling me to "read up" on it?

>>132862587
Why the hell is Bulgaria not with us?

>>132865217
They have Uralo-Finnic, Baltic and Siberian be the same, which is far from the truth. Bad graph.

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>>132864836
Anglo scum is inferior to the celts.
Anglo's are just tryhard faggots.
Celts raped and killed anglos without even trying.
You near lost the nine years war despite the fact we were fighting with ourselves and was not united where as you had a WHOLE country and monarchy behind you.
Lucky anglo scum. If you left us to it any longer and we united you cunts would had been wiped out.

>>132865402
Do your own self-directed research and make up your own conclusions. You only have to look at the average "Native". You can tell they're inbred and shared wives amongst one another just by looking at them. Romans had it right, no mixing with the natives lest they water their blood down. Sadly, the Anglo-Saxons didn't adopt that policy and now their genes are the minority.

>>132862587
>lithuania different from latvia
lmao, fucking DROPPED

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>>132865371
Anglo+italian+Iberian+french+german+Irish+benelux r1b alliance and coperation when?

I am r1berian

>>132864836
>>132865554
>this is what 23andme does to people

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>>132865555
W-w-WHAT?
Kek, no!
NO!

>>132864836
Celts were inferior, but after being civilised many Celtic people excelled..French and Scots for example
Purely Germanic people aren't great, notice the best people in Germany came from southern Germany and surrounding areas

>>132865555
Well, not adopting that policy has done well for Britain, since we became a major power and yielded the largest empire in history with that "inferior"-majority ancestry. Most "inbreds" I've seen are blonde, pasty Anglo chavs or Irishmen.
You asked me to prove to you about Anglo genetics being the minority in the first place, and I did that, so you should be able to find the source that you base all of your prejudices upon.
>"trust me, I'm right."
>"do your own research, mate"
>"I'm going to make a wild claim without backing it up."
You sound like a dumb cunt. No wonder the industrial revolution didn't come from Denmark, or the world's largest empire. The Danes have amounted to very little in comparison to the inferior Brits.

>>132862587
So Finns are Balts?

>>132866003
Finns could be niggers and the map could be the same. Don't base ethnicity on haplogroups.

"It is the most frequently occurring paternal lineage in Western Europe, as well as some parts of Russia (e.g. the Bashkir minority) and Central Africa (e.g. Chad and Cameroon). The clade is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, as well as parts of North Africa and Central Asia.

R1b also reaches high frequencies in the Americas and Australasia, due largely to immigration from Western Europe. There is an ongoing debate regarding the origins of R1b subclades found at significant levels among some indigenous peoples of the Americas, such as speakers of Algic languages in central Canada."

It's not acceptable to share a common haplogroup with people from Chad and Cameroon.

>>132864523
>nation of plumber and cheap kurwa trying to use le American education meme

That's rich coming from the historically most kosher cucked nation in the West.

>>132865679

Op, see identitarian movement.

Imho thats closest so far.

Btw: hope soon!

>>132864004
It includes Frisians, which are basically Scandinavians.
It's quite a wide concept. Compare Frisians and Norwegians to Sicilians, there's a world of difference.

>>132865872
Matters little, your blood is so diluted and mixed up now.
>Most inbreds I've seen are blonde, pasty Anglo chavs or Irishmen
Maybe the Irish yes, but in England it's pretty clear to me that it's those with dark hair and eyes who are the inbreds. And those features are strictly native British, not Anglo.
>Denmark
Funny, you don't mention my German blood. Why's that? Is it because you were nearly conquered them and the only reason you were spared was due to Adolf Hitler's generosity?

On 23andMe it had my haplogroup as R1b then changed it to R-M222 after an update.

>>132866259
You are literally a German refugee, time to go back Anglo.

>>132866439
I'm leaving soon, don't panic.

>>132862697

Typical scav

>>132866259
Germans are better than Danes, yes, and are among the best in Europe, but you still have that inferior Danish blood, Canute. It's a massive shame that your German ancestors (probably junkers with "von" in their surnames, no doubt) didn't refrain from breeding with Danish inferiors. The industrial revolution didn't come from Germany, or the largest empire in history, or the theory of evolution. That all came from the inferior Englishmen. Sure, Germany produced lots of innovations, but that would at least put Germans and Anglos on a par with one another.
>Adolf Hitler's generosity
>what is Battle of Britain
You still haven't provided a source on that wife-sharing meme. Please provide to me where you got the idea that one single tribe in Britain did that practice. Also, please tell me how that is representative of every other British tribe (there were lots of British tribes).

>>132866259

this>>132866439
You fucking sausage gobbling faggot

>>132866259
English people with dark features aren't very common. Look it up, only 22% of Anglos have brown eyes and most people have blonde or light brown hair.

>>132862587
This map looks good for me.I can accept this just exclude Ukraine.

>>132865043
Huge percent of l2a2 and something like 30 percent of R1a

>>132862697
>>132866568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Surrender_of_Breda

Stay mad

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>>132866703
Ireland has a very high frequency of light eyes as well.

>>132866703
The vast majority of people in Britain have brown hair and blue eyes.

>>132865217
m-my MtDNA is T2b...

Wuz I an Egyptian kang n sheit?

>>132866590
>but you still have that inferior Danish blood
"Inferior" blood that conquered your inferior people and ravaged your lands for many years.
>Battle of Britain
Funny, wasn't it the Polish volunteers who got the most kills in that battle? Pathetic. Fight your own battles for once.
>wife sharing meme
I gave you a starting point, up to you to follow up on it. I haven't got time to dig through heaps of research from Tacitus and Caesar's Gallic campaigns. Fairly certain it's common knowledge that the Natives are inbred, considering they've been isolated on this island for so long. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

>>132866953
can confirm as i have blue eyes and brown hair

>>132867039
You probably were.

>>132866703
I know, funny that. Guy here >>132866590 told me some time ago that the average Englishman was a swarthy Celt looking fellow who had more in common with Christian Bale and John Oliver than somebody with fair features.

>>132862587
looks suspiciously close to the EU a few years ago so no

>>132867091
>Vikings
>superior
You mainly went after monks and defenceless villagers. When you actually had a chance to fight a major European power like France, you ran away like little faggots and didn't return after your little nigger-esque chimpouts. We also kicked you out eventually, and you were genocided by the Normans later on.
The Poles were the minority. We fought our own battles. I don't know of any great penultimate battles fought by Danes. Maybe a raid on a monastery or two.
>wife sharing
You gave me a point, I can give you a point and say "do your own research" and pussy out of it. Like the fact that you are a cunt, which is quite easy to prove as I can just screenshot your posts.

>>132867169
Same m8.

>>132867170
That's pretty cool.

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>>132864627
western andalusia is shitskin central desu, might as well be north morocco

>>132863768
>burger education
So a few Crusader marches were enough to establish R1b majority, and hundreds of years under Persian/Arabic/Ottoman rule were not enough to erase it? Armenians have R1b, because R1b started in their region thousands of years ago.

>>132867431
Funny you didn't mention the part when Denmark conquered you during the formation of the North Sea Empire. Sure, previously to the formation of the North Sea Empire, the Danes targeted Monks and villagers during Viking raids, but they conquered plenty of your lands and were experts on hit and run attacks and raids from sea.

Yeah, Poles were a minority, a minority who picked up the most kills in the Battle of Britain.
>do your own research
That's great. When we spoke about the genetics of the English, I did my own self-directed research and was proven wrong. I admitted that to you and we were in agreement.

>>132865679
>short pudgy fingers
so glad I have long pianist fingers

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>>132867953
I showed you the evidence regardless of you did your own independent research.
>North Sea Empire
That was the one bit of relevance in your entire existence outside of raping monks. We also fucked you up in the Napoleonic Wars while you were sucking Napoleon's stinky Corsican cock.
I'd also like to see a statistic for the Battle of Britain. I understand that about half of the ones that killed the most were not British, but I'd like to see a statistic even still.

E-V13 subhuman reporting in

>>132867745
Just gib it portugal

>>132863972
dude, stop posting your fucking picture, you arent fucking white, you clearly have moorish in you, you're probably some southern iberian shitskin
t. Northern Iberian

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>>132868453
portunigs are very close to moors so might as well, it will even increase their eastern europe tier gdp

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>>132862587


sage goes in all fields

>>132868285
Still referring solely to the Danish side and not the German side. As for the Battle of Britain, here's the Polish fighter squadron that scored the most kills using the Hurricane fighter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._303_Polish_Fighter_Squadron
I'm sure you can do your own research from there you lazy cunt. Funny you criticize me for not posting evidence yet you tried to claim that the majority of Englishmen looked like Christian Bale and native swarthy Britons in general and then posted a picture of about 50 Norwich football fans as "evidence" to support your claim.

>>132868517
we wuz iberian
t.american mongrel

>>132868973
And what about the Germans?

>Luther starts a new religion, causes the death of 30% of people in the German states
>feel pretty good about yourself, invade Belgium and start the largest war the world has ever seen
>Get rekt
>Start another war which is even more destructive
>Gets rekt again

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>>132868973
>referring to the Danish side
Because you were arguing about the Danish side.
If you want evidence of Englishmen looking like Christian Bale, fucking look outside. Sure, Northern England has a higher frequency of blondes, but there are still plenty of dark-haired ones.
>wanting somebody to back up their claim is being a lazy cunt
Even if you did muster up the effort to find your source (which I cannot find), it wouldn't matter, because you cited one tribe from Kent. The best you could find was probably Roman propaganda, which they did use quite a lot against foreigners (look at their false depictions of the Gauls). They liked to drum up support for conquest among the populace.

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>>132862587
Haplogroups don't understand borders well

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>>132869914
And there's subgroups too

>>132865848
Celts were never inferior, they were far more advanced than germanics even before roman rules, hell they made conquest in Turkey, google Brennos.
Greatest european nationa were all celto-italic.

>>132869555
>criticizes me for not posting evidence
>his evidence is fucking look outside
Right, well I'm off to go look outside then. Also,
>that 50-79 light hair percentage in the North
That comes from the Anglo-Saxon and Danish Viking invasions, just to let you know. I rarely see an individual with dark hair in this country, which you seem to think is common. Light brown maybe, but dark brown/black is a rarity and is more common amongst dark skinned individuals. All of this discussion seems to stem from the original argument about the English being Celtic. Fact is, the English do not consider themselves Celtic even if their genetics are predominately so. The English as a people probably would not have existed today if the Anglo-Saxon invasion/migration had not occurred.
>Roman propaganda
Perhaps you're right, maybe it was propaganda and because of that I'll retract my previous comment until I can be bothered to dig through the research and find the source again.

Lol and again these retarded maps to prove something about race.

R1a is not slavic, slavs have less than 50% of it on average, which means the biggest part of their ancestry is NOT R1a.

Why do you post statistics if you don't even understand them?

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>>132862697
We should send another Alba there, that need another Council of Troubles

>>132870256
I'm going to take a stab and guess you're east coast or southern? Dark hair up to and including black is all over the west coast. Fairly common really.

>>132862587
I always knew nords werent white

>>132871009
West coast, you mean in Cornwall, Wales and the North West? These areas are known Celtic regions so it's unsurprising. Anglo-Saxon settlement in the North West was minuscule, same with Cornwall.

>>132870433
Original Slavs were R1a.

South "Slavs" don't have R1a majority because they are mostly Pre-Slavic population who speak former language of their conquerers.

>>132869119
>turkroach
>calling anyone a fucking mongrel

>>132863862

Different subclades of E. This is an extremely simplified map.

>>132871219

1. There is no proof original slavs are r1a

2. The majority of current slavs is not R1a. The biggest part is a max of different OTHER haplogroups

R1a is a big part (20-30% ) but it's not the biggest part. Which means slavs are utterly mixed in their MALE lineage.

There are shitskins with much higher R1a in Pakistan,India, Afghanistan. This means that at worst, they are mixed in their FEMALE line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R1a_frequency_by_population

>>132871542

*mix

R1a is not slavic.

>>132865217
so iberians should look like brits but they dont. hablogroup maps are bs.

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>>132871542
>1. There is no proof original slavs are r1a
Slavs are Satem Indo-European folk which means they are R1a. Also R1a is the most popular in the original lands of Slavs (South Belarus/North Ukraine)
>2. The majority of current slavs is not R1a. The biggest part is a max of different OTHER haplogroups
Not true for Poland and it is still the MAJOR haplogroup in all non-Southern Slavs.
>R1a is a big part (20-30% ) but it's not the biggest part.
For all but South Slavs it is the biggest haplogroup.
>There are shitskins with much higher R1a in Pakistan,India, Afghanistan.
That's because cousins of Slavs migrated east and created Andronovo culture (Proto-Indo-Iranian), and then they conquered Persia and India.

>>132871799


haplogroups in the case of Y-DNA tell you only HOW mixed your male lineage is. That's what they do: they take a sample and define it as 100% , then they take another and compare it. It's virtually meaningless, especially if your country is heavily mixed. (anything below 50% means your biggest part is a mixture and not "pure")

They don't tell : what race your ancestors have. It's a huge scam that was used to remove physical anthropology from universities.

>>132871923

Slavs are "Indo-European" in name only, there is no record of indo-european PRIESTS in Slavic countries.

When people MIGRATE, they take everything with them (except maybe WOMEN). That also includes priestly caste. Where is the slavic tradition of the Indo-Europeans?

Slavs have 0 remannts of Indo-European religion. The reason for this is because the Priest Caste never existed in Slavic countries.

It existed in : Iran, Afghanistan / South Asia in general, and there we also have a founders effect (absurdely high R1a in brahmins f.e.).


The rest of what you wrote, about andronovo etc. it's not proven. Slavs have literally nothing connecting them to Indo-Europeans or even making them the "original" ones.

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>>132871799
But we do look like brits..

>>132865217
also why do celtics, germanics and anatolians (hittites, armenians aka turks) have same color.

>>132872600
Because the original populations of those groups listed were most likely R1b majority populations. Celts, many Germanics and Armenians are still largely R1b, but the Hittites were effectively absorbed into the existing Anatolian populations, hence why R1b is relatively low in Anatolia.

>>132872188
>Slavs are "Indo-European" in name only
North Slavs are all 70%+ R1, which means they are more Indo-European than Scandicucks (original Germanic). Kys pseudo-expert.

>there is no record of indo-european PRIESTS in Slavic countries
And what have priests to do with Indo-Europeans? Kys fag.

>When people MIGRATE, they take everything with them (except maybe WOMEN).
So what?

>That also includes priestly caste. Where is the slavic tradition of the Indo-Europeans?
The whole Slavic culture is Indo-European, and I dunno why do you tryhard to make a retarded point that Slavs were not IE because they didn't have organized religion. We don't have much sources on Slavic paganism, but it seems to be identical to the other IE religions, with similiar gods panteon.

>Where is the slavic tradition of the Indo-Europeans?
Still dunno what the fuck do you mean by this.

>Slavs have 0 remannts of Indo-European religion.
God pantheon is similiar. The highest one is Perun, who is the god of the sky and lightnings (so same as Zeus, Perkunas, et cetera).

>The reason for this is because the Priest Caste never existed in Slavic countries.
Neither it did in the original Yamna/Khalvynsk culture.

>The rest of what you wrote, about andronovo etc. it's not proven.
It is, because we have found R1 in Andronovo.

>Slavs have literally nothing connecting them to Indo-Europeans
...except genes and the whole culture.

>or even making them the "original" ones.
Because there is no such thing.

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>>132868517
Fuck off american mongrel. His med face triggered you dat means you fucking nigger or albino cuck

>>132872846
>Neither it did in the original Yamna/Khalvynsk culture.
Wasn't Yamnaya society divided into three "classes", the religious (priestly) class, the warrior class and the worker class?

>>132862587
Greece is E1-V3, not J2 you mongrel

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>>132872846

As I said, you are just a slavic nigger trying to prove you are racially not slavic by posting wrong statistics.

R1a is not slavic, it's Indo-Iranian. Slavs have 0 Indo-European traditions. That's why you are making shit up ("pseudo-aryan-religion"). The only records we have are from South Asia aka shitskins.

Why can shitskins preserve their culture , but Slavs (who are more pure ) can't do it? Because they aren't more pure.


And your numbers are plain wrong, slavs are at best 55% R1a in SOME parts , but most of them are WAY lower - meaning their male ancestry is really fucking mixed.

Racially, slavs can't be indo-european anyway, because Indo-European = aurignacoid strain anyway. Slavs never were aurignacoid. They always were cromagnoid and today are reduced cromagnoids.

>>132873038
No proof for that. They were probably divided to farmers and shepperds (or were they?), other things are just guesses.

Also edit: Slavs actually had some people who concentrated on religion, but the division on "workers" and "warriors" is unsure.

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Indo-European = Culture of Aurignacoids, greedy selected, inventors hailing from temperate/warm climates , Spreaded culture and dominated whatever region they lived in


In Europe: the nordic man (later on) and the mediterranid man (earlier on) completely dominated everything - no such thing is known of slavs, who were ever only known as victims.

In Asia: Iranid race dominated the whole of the middle east. They spread their religion and culture in the whole area.

In South Asia: Indid race dominated the continent, and spread their whole culture almost all the way to Japan.


Slavs : Predominantly reduced cromagnoids and unreduced cromagnoids - no such thing, no great religion, no cultural spark that spread to other countries - their history is one of being victims. Most likely they were invaded by Indo-Iranians at one point.

>>132862587
>Spain and Moortugal
>Not belonging to J2
kek

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This is only the cultural component, racially it's even more evident that slavs can't be original Indo-Europeans:

The climate in slavic countries leads to infantilization , especially in the North slavic countries this has always been the case.


Pic related the typical and most common slavic racial type found in slavic men:

>>132873645
>>132873827
What is your opinion on the dominance of Alpinid phenotypes in Switzerland?

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Pic related difference between Aurignacoids (found in temperate/warm climates) , adapting their environment to themselves, creating more intelligent housing, clothes , selecting for social dominance (sophisticated and greedy racial features are developed)

as opposed to cromagnoids: creating bigger and stronger hunters , adapting to their environment (short extremities, loss of proportions to conserve energy as well as flattening of the face, development of concave noses as opposed to convex social dominant ones)


Slavs are not original Indo-Europeans. Never have been, never will be.

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>>132873971

It's unfortunate, since especially the media is pushing infantilized women more and more as opposed to unreduced aurignacoid (social dominant) women.

Alpinid in Northern Europe are vastly different from reduced cromagnoids in Eastern Europe. In NE they are mostly mixed with progressive racial elements (nordid, atlantomed etc.) , while in Eastern Europe they are just heavily infantilized and in the worst case even mixed with borealized (aka types that are adpated to extreme cold climates) types.

Like pic related

>>132862587
>mediterranians
>white
they are muslim rape babies. or why else do you think they turned from superpowers to incompetent shitholes?

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Here is another example woman type that media has been pushing in the last 30-40 years:

cute, infantilized woman, absolutely non threatening

the problem is, her son will also gain these trait and ends up looking like this >>132873827

Kosovo is serbia and romania isnt

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>>132873318
>R1a is not slavic, it's Indo-Iranian
R1a-Z93 is Indo-Iranian, Other variants of R1a are Slavic and Baltic.
>Slavs have 0 Indo-European traditions.
Whole religion and culture is Indo-European, however the sources are limited. Slavs are certainly descendants of Corded-Ware culture, because everything proves that.
>Why can shitskins preserve their culture , but Slavs (who are more pure ) can't do it?
It's called "christianity".

Also all our high festivals are of pre-christian aka indo-european origin.

>Because they aren't more pure.
Genetics prove you wrong. Poles are over 80% R1 (R1a + R1b), and have bigger Yamna admixture than South Europe.
>And your numbers are plain wrong, slavs are at best 55% R1a in SOME parts
Poland is 57,5% R1a as a whole. Now kys retard.
>Racially, slavs can't be indo-european anyway, because Indo-European = aurignacoid strain anyway. Slavs never were aurignacoid.
Those shitty Coon-Gunther memes were busted like 50 years ago.

It's 2017, and Proto-Indo-Europeans are actually claimed to be more wide-faced than "Nordic" (which is actually of Middle-Eastern origin, even according to Coon).
>>132873645
Shitty memes busted 50 years ago again.
>>132873827
Gorid/East Alpine race is according to Polish anthropologists only 6% frequent in Poland. Again, kys retard with your outdated memes.

The most popular Anthropological type in Poland is what Czekanowski called "Subnordid", Nordic with Lapponoid influences.

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>>132874232

They only look like that, because nordic achievements are MUCH GREATER than anything that has ever existed before.


Mediterranid achievements were excellent and great, compared to what existed in the region at that time.

But nordic achievements are out of this world. It's like comparing a

Lvl 10 civilization (mediterranid ancient) to Lvl 1 (nigger culture / slavic tribes) vs Lvl 10000 alien tier culture (faustian nordic culture, playing with activated cheat codes).


Pic related is a nordic female, this is what superiority looks like. You will NEVER find anything like this in a slavic country. It doesn't exist.

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>>132874304
This is how an average Proto-Indo-European looked like.

Doesn't look very Nordic, more like Nordid-Lapponoid mixed - which is the major race in Poland.

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>>132874544
Here is "Subnordid" example - looks almost same as Yamna average.

>>132862587
Fuck you, we Sardinians are l2a. No Germanic mud in our blood.

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>>132874365


As I said, slavs , and all of them, are in their majority GORID. Not "Subnordid" , which is , anyway also mixed and not comparable in any way to unreduced aurignacoids.

And again, you are posting worthless statistics about R1a. Where is the Slavic Rig-Veda? Where is the Slavic Priestly caste? Where is the Slavic Caste system? Where is the SLAVIC INFLUENCE on RELEVANT parts of the PLANET?

Slavic countries are extremely irrelevant, especially before Oil became relevant. They are in fact, places where only losers would go to , and people that are happy with what they have or afraid to compete with others (=scared cowards)

No Priestly caste = no priests = not original Indo-European culture

Pic related is a gorid individual. I can post many more, but really, it's exhausting. And slavs are not good on the eyes. I prefer to post nordic women.

>>132863939
Celts in the north west and the gothics ruled majority of spain before the muslim invasion.

>>132862587
BIX NOOD, WHERE DA WHITE WIMMIN @

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>>132874832
Poland circa 1949:

Subnordid (Nordo-Lapponoid): 47,6%

Alpine ("Gorid") 5,5%

Pic rel is another Subnordid example. Read Czekanowski instead of G*rmanic meme-anthropologists.

>>132862642
never

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>>132874987
This is how the most of Poles look like, not Alpine.

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>>132875127

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>>132874544
>>132874652

Yamnya is not proto-indoeuropean.

Nice circular logic anyway. The individual you posted is just a simple cromagnoid. Furthering the point, because Indo-Europeans are AURIGNACOIDS. It's in their very nature: to create cultures so overwhelming, that neighbouring parts/countries/nations/tribes ADAPT them.

In Europe: meds/nordics, in Iran: Iranid (Avestan/Persian culture) , in India: Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc.

Where is the slavic influence on the world? Except of course your wishful thinking that once upon a time there was a cromagnoid Indo-European tribe that conquered everybody else.


>>132874652

And? Yamnya is not Indo-European. Reduced cromagnoids are a result of the lack of evolutionary pressure. You only stay in Eastern Europe, if you are TOO WEAK to compete and conquer a better place to live.

Pic related is what an actual nordic looks like.

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>>132875127

reduced cromagnoid


>>132875189

reduced cromagnoid with taurid influences


alpinids are MORE progressive racially than eastern europeans.

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>>132875213
It is. Everything proves that from anthropology to genetics.

You are now giving me shit-theories which were busted not even 50, but like 70 years ago.

Nordcuck type is just depigmented Shitskin.

Indo-Europeans were not pure Nordics, because they lived in the steppe and had some Lapponoid admixture because of that.

>>132875366
>And? Yamnya is not Indo-European. Reduced cromagnoids are a result of the lack of evolutionary pressure. You only stay in Eastern Europe, if you are TOO WEAK to compete and conquer a better place to live.

>>132875366
So now you are telling me that the most of Poles are Cro-Magnons, and not East Alpine?

Well, that's funny.

Also Polish anthropologists classified them as Nordid-Lapponoid admixed, and not Cromagnid at all.

>>132872188
>Slavs have 0 remannts of Indo-European religion.
Are you completely fucking retarded. You have 0 knowledge

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Haplogroups don't mean much. Say if a white man had offspring with a negress his sons would still have his haplogroup, so it fails as a measure of racial purity. Much simpler and better is the simple test of the look. If someone looks like one of us, he is one of us.
>>132868517
Shut up, he would have made one of Hitler's top soldiers.

>>132872188
>indo-european PRIESTS in Slavic countries.
oh yes there are, but I will name only one that pisses you most: Veleda

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>>132875636
Also if this man is "reduced cromagnon"

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>>132874987

textbook reduced cromagnoid


here is an unreduced aurignacoid from that time as a comparison


>>132875636

alpinid = reduced cromagnoid

East Alpine = geographical location


And yes, I checked out some polish phys. anthro sites, they are mostly copy pasted from German/English sites anyway, so not really relevant.


>>132875636

Guy you posted is again, reduced cromagnoid. Not racially greedy selected, can't compete with aurignacoids.

Lappoid influences = worst influence that you could think of, as Lappids are one of the most borealized racial types that exist.

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>>132875765
And this woman...

>>132863773
Yh this one doesn't make sense why Norway is in R1b, Same with Iceland but they have a higher % of R1 than Norway

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>>132875834
If they are "reduced cromagnid"...

then how could these individuals:
>>132875765
>>132875847
have a purely NORDIC son on picrel?

Coon is a meme-anthropologist.

>>132862697
Why would you exclude the country with more R1b in Europe from the R1b group?

MASSIVE FUCKING IDIOT

>>132862642
Poland has one of the highest proportion of r1a out of any country in the world kiddo.

>>132862642
Poland has the highest percentage of R1a in the entire world. After that it's Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, Pakistan, and India.

Its prevalence in South Asia is from the Ancient Aryans invading and raping the native Tamil-like Australian-Aborigine looking people.

what is your hapologroup lads?
R1b1b2a1a1d here

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>>132862587

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pic related is a pure lappid , since you are pressing the matter so much

lappid = one of the most infantilized cromagnoids that exist, alpinids : mostly reduced cromagnoids with progressive elements ; eastern alpinids (gorids) : mostly reduced cromagnoids with different local influences


Unreduced aurignacoid, ony exists in countries which allowed : greedy selection for social dominance and had big enough population to perform repeated selection for progressive racial traits

Cromagnoids : exist everywhere, either as energy saving variants (bavarian farmer type) or as large hunter gatherers

reduced cromagnoids : cromagnoids reduce to infantilized version, lose their porportions completely and save material (brachycephaly, flattening of the face, slanting of eyes etc.)
>>132875847

reduced cromagnoid, east baltid + alpinid
>>132875765
reduced cromagnoid + aurignacoid influences
still waiting for unreduced aurignacoid slavic example

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>>132876207
>R1b1b2a1a1d
Literally the first image when googling that haplogroup.

WE

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>>132876027

where is the son? you haven't posted a single nordic individual until now, only reduced cromagnoids

and very ugly ones at that, don't wanna sayy that but seriously... at least post some good looking ones if yo uare trying to make a point

pic related drawing of an UNREDUCED AURIGNACOID skull with hyperprogressive tendencies

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>>132865217
>Genes
>slavic
>germanic
Fucking hate you god damn lying indo-cuck faggots. Just fucking die out already. How can german and slavic be a fuckign gene when those two cucked up fucks are younger than the genes themselves? Those two are language groups but you fragile ego betas cannot accept the simple fact that all the genes in europe today were there far before the indo european invasion. Get fucked cucks.

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>>132876313
Shitty example of Lapponoid, Here's a Gunther's one.

>>132876550
Czekanowski classified him as "Nordic". I somehow trust him more than some random swiss nordicist on anime forum.

>at least post some good looking ones if yo uare trying to make a point
I am not proving that Slavs are nordcucks, I am proving that they are nordcuck + lapponoid admixed, just like Proto-Indo-Europeans.

>>132874832
>No Priestly caste
Where the fuck did you take it from you retarded dog

>>132873827
>The climate in slavic countries leads to infantilization
wtf I am reading

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>>132876736

he's not nordic, nordic = unreduced aurignacoid

he doesn't even have aurignaco-form proportions, you can say from the first view that he is , under no circumstances a nordic

keep in mind that nordic is used differently, some people use nordic also for cromagnoid variants , Coon as well, used nordic for unreduced cromagnoid + blondism examples for example (which would be daelofaelid)


>>132876736
Indo-Europeans are unreduced aurignacoids, that's why, they still look as good as they did before , because they CAN'T BE REDUCED. Aurignacoids don't have babyfaces, they can only get shorter (with lack of nutrition f.e.), but they always RETAIN PROPORTIONS.

pic related is what origina Indo-European could look like. Nordics are a greedier and selected variant of this type (and obviously depigmented ).

Lappid = heavily infantilized influence, influence in Poland is not lappid, it's just reduced cromagnoid with baltization/heavy alpinization

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pic related is also a lappid+baltid woman, heavily infantilized, impossible to tell her age - it works for women because they look cuter/younger
but it's horrible for men because loss of social dominance (aka babyface syndrome)

>>132876736

yes, but he also has other influences, pure lappids don't have full lips f.e. as that is a phylogenetic progressive trait (and cromagnoids have thin lips)

>>132874008
So the cuck looking skull on the left, with less testosterone is the better one?

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>>132877316

No, they are suited for different lifestyles. Aurignacoids are suited for short paced, fast/quick battles. Cromagnoids are suited for long hunts (which is why their proportions conserve heat and energy much better). However Aurignacoids they look more intelligent and socially dominant.

Cromagnoids dominate with their size and frame , Aurignacoids by looking greedier selected/more intelligent .


Pic related unreduced cromagnoid.

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>>132877292
she isn't infantilized, you are just looking old

>>132877119
Your picrel is Mediterrenean (not even Nordic) shitskin and has nothing to do with Indo-Europeans.

>>132877119
Indo-Europeans are mix of Nordic, Cro-Magnon and Lapponoid (due to living in a steppe and neighbouring Uralic peoples).

Look again at Yamna Culture average face >>132874544

Lapponoids have wider skulls than your example, and usually dark-yellowish pigmentation.

>Armenia
the fuck

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Here is a comparison of an aurignacoid (on the right) and reduced cromagnoid on the left.

As you can see, one is a farmer type, like a tractor.

And the other one is like a Ferrari, greedy, he will freeze in winter easily - but he won't because aurignacoids are smart and invent clothes.


Aurignacoids are always represented in the ruling strata of successful societies. Even in countries like Japan and China, they have aurignacoform people at the top.

>>132862587
Must have been made by a butthurt serb.

>>132877692
>Even in countries like Japan and China, they have aurignacoform people at the top.
WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIEET

The guy on the right has mor.e Middle-Eastern genes and the guy on the left more Indian.

>>132877692
Do you even lift?

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>>132877646


No, Proto-Indo-European = original Aurignacoid stock = mediterranid stock

Nordic = depigmented unreduced aurignacoid stock , selected for highest amount of social dominance.


Nordics are the pinnacle of human evolution. Anybody saying differently is just clueless and jealous, or a niggerish slav who doesn't want to accept racial reality.


>>132874496

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>>132868603
Sure you want to talk shit Spanistani?
Just a quick reminder that your country its mostly composed of poop skins, also your culture is basically the copy of the gipsy culture mixed with arab culture
Also let's not talk about arabic almost becoming one of your languages LOL

>>132877872
Also the guy on the right is gracile and weak as fuck lol.

>ubermensch
>>132877896
Genetics confirm that Proto-Indo-European = Yamna, therefore what you would describe as "cro-magnon".

Your Coon's shit theories were busted decades ago.

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The nordic race (of unreduced aurignacoid stock) is not only the most beautiful to grace this planet. It is also the most creative and intelligent. It is the only one that has successfully defied god and nature.

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>>132878097

Nothing is confirmed, as I said , you are applying circular logic : this DNA is PIE, so this skull is PIE, because this skull is PIE, this DNA is PIE.

There is no proof that Yamnya = PIE. And it most likely isn't, Slavs are out of all Indo-European language speaking group, the most irrelevant one globally.

Very unlikely, that they are the "original IE".

>>132877896
>Nordics are the pinnacle of human evolution
So why are they being overrun by Africa and the Middle East?

>>132878212
this is not a stock, but a cuck
he is beautiful for you, beacause you are fag
you are not very intelligent if you cannot see slavic pagan priestly layer

Oh, you defied God.....
You are not just a retard, you are leftist retard
who cannot lift

>>132878212
This "Nordic" looks more Lapponoid admixed.
>>132878360
There was R1a and R1b found in Khalvynsk/Yamna, so those cultures were certainly PIE.

Nordics are Neolithic immigrants, not IE, and original Indo-Europeans were not purely Nordic.

>>132878360
>There is no proof that Yamnya = PIE.
We found R1b in Yamna, so they were certainly PIE.

>>132878360
You wish, your language is nigger version of slavic.
It is as irrelevant for you as sanskrit for lower castes

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>>132862697

>>132869914
Both main R1 groups R1a & R1b demonstrate direct paternal descent from the ancient Indo-Europeans who came and conquered Europe from the native haplogroup I, C, K, and P peoples. The latter three being very old remnants from many millennia prior and hardly even found in Europe anymore. Haplogroup J & G came in around this time as well in smaller amounts as colonizers from Early Farming peoples in the Middle-East, while the Indo-Europeans were Hunter-Gatherers who came from around Central Asia (where the related paternal haplogroup Q common in Native Americans also developed).

They likely lived in

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>>132878585
>>132878768
>>132878791

he's just a nordic with more neoteny, aka "reduced nordic"

pic related is unreduced progressive-matur (robust) nordic


nothing you say or do will change your race, race is eternal and a demonstration of how successful your ancestors were

>>132879684
Whoops, ignore the last part.

>>132872278

Shave that beard. Friendly advise

>>132879710
And this one looks Dinaric/Armenoid admixed.

And my race is "Subnordic", so the same as the race of Indo-Europeans. Feels good.

you guys are both oversimplifying things
1. Among the Yamnaya, although a cromagnid element seemed dominant, some more gracile aurignacoid elements were reported.
2. Although the Yamnaya are the current best shot at the Indo-European home, the issue is not completely settled. The fact that they were R1b-M269 is certainly important but then again all northern groups were chiefly R1a and they were very close in time to the Yamnaya horizon.
3. Strong selection may have selected for different typologies in the very last thousands of years. Maybe steppe folks roaming Poland some thousand years ago were not as reduced as many modern Poles, doesn't mean Poles aren't strongly related to the Aryans.

>>132872278
I doubt you are 100% Iberian though, given how far ORACLE places you from those populations. Show your ORACLE using the one that uses 4-populations to determine your most likely descent.

>>132879710
Who wants to change his race?
I have professors, sportsmen in family

you have some non-aryan looking cucks

>>132879710
Appreciate the informative posts (also found some you made in a previous thread with some other charts)
What's the best way to make sure my future wife is aurignacoid ?

>>132862642

I've literally never met a Polish person I didn't like desu. One of them is a pure girl, the other is a druggie photographer who throws really good parties and the other is a gothic lolita artist. All lovely girls. I even go to the polish delicatessen near mine and greet the poles every day because they're chill as fuck and sometimes give me cake.

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>>132866590
>Germans are better than Danes, yes, and are among the best in Europe, but you still have that inferior Danish blood, Canute
>being this autistic
You do realize all pure and true Germans came from Denmark right?
Same goes for the Jutes and Angle-Saxons
They came from Denmark aswell

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>>132862587
What does this make me?

>>132880628
Why is the male symbol impotent?

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>>132862864
>Aryan in the same category as Slavs

>>132865217

Southern Italy confirmed more African than Spain. Wew guess True Romance was right after all.

>>132880094
1. That's because Coon had diffrent definition of Cro-Magnon than Polish/Soviet anthropologists. But they were certainly also Lappid admixed, and even had some Denisovan DNA. (all Europeans nowadays have some of it, but less than Neanderthal DNA).
2. Yamna is definitely IE, we can only argue whenever it is the first IE culture or there were IE speakers in Ukraine before.
Also I specifically wrote "Yamna/Khalvynsk" to settle this question. We found both R1a and R1b in Khalvynsk.
3. Polish anthropologists actually proved that the people living in Poland are anthropologically almost same since Corded Ware expansion.

Swiss fag is just giving some unproved/debunked several decades ago nordicist memes.

>>132880561
>You do realize all pure and true Germans came from Denmark right?
The Germanic urheimat isn't exclusively in Denmark, it's broadly southern Scandinavia and northern Germany.

>Same goes for the Jutes and Angle-Saxons
>They came from Denmark aswell
The Saxons came from northern Germany, but the rest is right.

>>132867745

Why do you faggots always shit on Canarians? I've been there many times for vacation and the majority of them look very European. They also have great food.

>>132880901
most of the E1b in south Italy and Iberia is E-V13, Balkanic(Neolithic)
west Iberia got slightly more of the actual north African one, E-M81

>>132880561
The Angles and the Saxons were two different people and half of the peoples you mentioned came from Germany.

>>132880819
idk - its from 23 and me so they are probably doing some PC virtue signaling with the symbols

>>132868603

nice haplogroup meme. Not to mention that the other big chunks are European.

Also, the whole "African admixture" in Portugal refers to Berbers, which were caucasian nomads that settled in Portugal during the period of time in which it was conquered. On top of the fact that we don't know what genes were even passed on from them or what sort of combination it made it terms of how successful the race was (for all we know mixing a bulldog with a german shepherd might actually make a good dog, despite bulldogs being shit)

Considering how well the country did till America cucked us (and you, I'm sorry about cuba Spain-san) i'd say we did pretty good

>>132872901
Do you have any more intel on I-M170? This is what I found out is my paternal Haplogroup is and I'm trying to learn more about it.

>>132865443
They're more haplogroup E (North Africans/Egyptians/Albanians) than haplogroup I.

>>132872278

what website is this?

>>132866003
No. Lithuanians are basically the same percent N as R1a, and Latvians are more R1b than N. Haplogroup N originally came from Southern China of all places (not from the Mongols—far older). Mongols were mostly haplogroup C3, O and a minority R1a anyways.

>>132881824

gedmatch

>>132866101
It just means a few dozen R1b men crossed the Sahara a few thousand years ago and raped a shitload of women there. R1b isn't from there.

>>132874496
>nordic achievements are MUCH GREATER than anything that has ever existed before.
There are any nordic achioevements?
like ikea - shitty quality
or carlsberg - shitty beer

>>132866353
That's from a naming change.
You're still the same haplogroup.

>>132874496
>nordic achievements are MUCH GREATER than anything that has ever existed before.
There are any nordic achioevements?
like ikea - shitty furniture
or carlsberg - shitty beer

>>132882359
chill jesuit, you're going to blow your cover

>>132867039
Or your maternal line is from a Sephardic Jew...

>>132872901
>Bosniak Masterrace

>>132882527
???
I am chilled
just cannot stand retards like these

>>132867431
The Vikings sacked Paris you retarded shit.
How do you think the Viking-descended Normans got their land in the first place? You think the French king was just a nice guy and gave it away?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(845)

>>132862642
>>132862697
Both of these.

>>132881113
>The Germanic urheimat isn't exclusively in Denmark, it's broadly southern Scandinavia and northern Germany
No, but it originated in the Jutland peninsula and then spread to Scandinavia and N. Germany

>The Saxons came from northern Germany, but the rest is right
Yeah, but they originated in S. Denmark like every other Germanic people.

>>132881375
>half of the peoples you mentioned came from Germany
Both Jutes and Angles were from Jutland which is part of Denmark
That's 1/3rd German, far from half

>>132877896
you are clueless yourself

>>132880899
The original Aryans were literally the same haplogroup as most Slavs today, brainlet.

>>132883223
The original Aryans were the Yamna and were mostly R1b, actually.

>>132883417
North-East Khvalynsk Yamnaya were mostly R1a, just like original Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic/Corded Ware people.

ITT:

>nigga I'm whiter than you!!!

>>132862587
lol Latvia

>>132883417
No they were not.
The Ancient Aryans invaded and conquered India, which is why R1a is so prevalent there in the first place. R1b is hardly even found in India. You are confusing two different peoples.

Lastly, the Yamnaya were a culture—not truly a people. We identify them from artifacts, and the process of making such can be taught or the items simply traded.

>>132862587
scandinavia belongs to the nords (I1)

>>132871799
Having been around Spain, yes, they look like Brits, but like the typical dark haired and fair-skinned Brits, especially northern spaniards (I have been all around Cantabria, Asturias, Catalonia and the Basque Country). Of course a lot of them are tanned or swarthier. If you think that Spaniards are swarthy as north Africans or most Turks you are seriously misguided, the main difference between Spain and Britain is that Britain received much more Nordic influence above their Briton/Celtic genetic base.

Daily reminder R1a is halpogroup of the original Aryans

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>haplogroups
oh sweety.

Reminder that both R1a and R1b were present in mesolithic Europe already among hunter gatherers who didn't even know what a wheel was, so without speaking of more specific subclades it's useless.

>>132863167
i don't understand what you've pointed out or why people are laughing at it but awwww is that lithuania, /pol/'s most neglected baltic country?

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>tfw J2

>>132862587
>northern spain the same as the south
>iceland and southern italy together
How about no

>>132862587
Yeah, Norwegians sure do look like Spaniards.

Take your bullshit pseudoscience elsewhere.

>>132877656
R1b is from Armenia dumbfucks

>>132877896
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>>132878360
Consider eating some broken glass

>>132886711
We're all one big European family

>>132886088
me 2

>>132886861
No it isn't.
>>132886711
It isn't pseudoscience, you're just interpreting it incorrectly. This doesn't mean they look alike, just that they have the same/very similar Y-DNAand thus the same paternal origins (though this implies *some* shared autosomal DNA as well).

Y-DNA will not change very much about one's outer appearance, and these haplogroups are just the dominant ones in the populations—they're all still very intermixed on average.

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what haplogroup is she guys??

>>132887361
It's west Asian and probably from Anatolia, Mesopotamia or the Levant.

>>132864078
Then what is ethnicity?

>>132863768
Spotted the dumbass.

>>132887570
R1b or J2

>>132887647
nobody can believe that anymore after it was found all around pure mesolithic hunter gatherers in Europe, from Italy(14k years ago) to Latvia to the Balkans

>>132887647
They're both descended from R which comes from Q which both come from Central Asia (near modern-day Kazakhstan). R1a went northwest over the Caspian, whereas R1b went west under the Caspian—where there both arrived in Europe and flourished in separate places.

>>132888006
R and Q is Indo-European Yamnaya right?

>>132888245
no, they both have nothing to do with Indo-Euros, they are old ass lineages carried by hunter gatherers, oldest R* is from a 24k years old Siberian boy
only some subclades of R1b and R1a are linked to IEs

>>132888509
What about J?

>>132888245
All European R is related to Indo-Europeans in some way, Q mostly seems to have come in small amounts at later dates from Central Asian peoples.

>>132888509
Not talking about Mal'ta.

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>>132880455
easiest to spot:

1. leptorrhine nose with high root (slightly convex, never overly convex or concave)

2. mesocephaly

3. for simplicity, a aurignacoid progressive profile points 2 times if you draw it : once at the nose and once on the chin (so positive chin is required)

4. full lips

5. body type: leptomorphic and also leptoprosopic (rather slimmer faced than wide faced)


this >>132876550
related drawing is a progressive skull , women generally have more fat so they look more neotenous/childlike/softer like pic related


>>132888509

this is correct

>>132862587
Divide and conker thread

>>132888245
But >>132888509 is right in that not every single person with R is definitely descended from the Indo-Europeans becasue it is much older. It is however, enormously tied to the spread and modern distribution of Indo-European language and culture, so it is ridiculous to say otherwise.

>>132888737
once again, old ass hunter gatherer lineage without specifying subclades, oldest ones are found among Caucasus hunter gatherers and mesolithic Iranians

certain subclades can be linked with cultures or peoples, macrogroups like J or R or I are not specific enough to pinpoint them to very specific people
even in Europe "I" has been linked to the native European foragers but the "I" found in Aurignacians from the upper paleolithic was carried by people genetically rather different from the late mesolithic foragers who carried more specific subclades like I2a

>>132867745

>The literal capital of the spanish empire not included as Spain

LUL

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>>132862587
>>132863167

N-master reporting in.
I can spot one of my kind under 10 seconds and start hating if soiled genes.
And that part is accurate Latvian fellow, your Whitest citizens are part of N1.
Apparently there is small sect in Ukraine as well and I tell you man they are stunning.

>>132889345
Redpill me on ancient white people history.

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>>132888995
I knew you are full-lipped sandnigger

>>132862587
Seems good to me

>Iberia
>R1B

Hahaha nice try anon

A.. Am I included?

>>132864004
There's different subclades of R1b, Southern Europe, celts and Germanics all have there own subclade

I thought all Caucasoid were related.

>>132862587
only new world mongrels occupy their puny minds with the subject matter

>>132889650
lots of racemixing happened in the last 10k years with the advent of farming and population booms, whites are a rather recent product if we are talking genotype, so we can hardly speak of very old "white prehistory"
suffices to say that before the advent of farming, the genetic distance between an European and an Iranian was comparable to that between a German and a Chinese, while nowadays west Eurasians are all much more related to each other

as for phenotype though, you can probably find the oldest passable white looking people in mesolithic east Europe

>>132865735
kek

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>>132889901
I don't know how to put it gently to be frankly.
During life's big gene lottery you pulled pretty much empty ticket my love.

>>132890692
Topkek, actually no but as discussing genetics on /pol is more of we wuz aryans and shieet so I'll pass

>>132890417
How come Armos are R1b then?

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>>132864109
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>>132867091
>>132867431

My family comes from Lancashire/Yorkshire and my surname is distinctly Nordic (so I'm not a rapebaby)

Where is my ancestry likely from ?
I feel like an American asking this Kek