Nationalism is not sustainable

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>>132843150
Nationalism does not mean you hate other nationalities, ethnicities, etc.

>>132843150
>monarchist
Fuck right off. You do realise the courts of Europe were as degenerate, if not more so, than modern Hollywood? Why would I want some faggot fudge-packer or carpet-muncher ruling over me?

>>132843291
> promoting a certain national culture
whatever national group you use to skyrocket to power, you'll have to expand it at some point. If you're smart like Hitler, you will try to make is as big as possible. Instead of choosing Bavarian culture, you choose German culture. But then you have to go into Russia with a different culture. How will you explain to your suppoters that they now have to tolerate and treat as equal that other culture? And how will they react when they are ruled by a guy from another culture foreign to their own?

>>132843465
that happened because Catholicism is a cucked religion.

Take a look at Russian Empire. They had some of the best kings ever cause their religion is based.

Also anything is degenerate if it's manipulated by the intl elements

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>>132843291
Whether he's correct of not I think op was implying isolationism is the product of nationalism.

>>132843581
> Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich Romanov (the younger brother and uncle, respectively, of Russian Emperors Alexander III and Nicholas II) served as the Governor of Moscow from 1891–1905. His homosexual relationships were widely famous in Moscow

Nope. If anything the Soviets saved Russian culture, once Stalin took over anyway. For the first time since the 1600s he gave power to the Moscow Patriarchate and actually followed through with going after faggots.

>>132843792
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_Sergei_Alexandrovich_of_Russia#Controversy\
> according to some contemporary reports

yeah, all of these reports are definitely valid and not a product of jealousy or other vices

>>132843150
>nationalism is bad because it makes aggressive expansion harder
Well fucking duh, retard. Nationalists don't want non-nationals inside their borders. That's the whole point of nationalism. You are basically saying that the bad part of nationalism is nationalism and you support nationalism to reform the nation only to then destroy it in anti-nationalism. You are a fucking retard.

>>132843150
You have taken the monarchist pill my friend

>>132843291
and communism doesnt mean mass starvation but thats what happens

>>132843486
>you'll have to expand at some point
That's a big claim with nothing to back it up.

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>>132844103
> you seriously think that you will never need lebensraum to produce people of your nationality

>>132843951
>Russian urbanization had helped to ensure that St. Petersburg and Moscow both had gay brothels, along with many public places where men would buy and sell sexual services for or from other men.[2] While there certainly was lesbian prostitution, and some alleged lesbian affairs, less was publicly said, good or bad, about gay or bisexual women.

The sentence before it is a literal fact with several documented references if you would take a good look.

>>132844111
Literal cuck who married a prostitute.

>>132844103
Nationalism natrually leads to reclimation of old borders, which in real terms, means expanding into territories not held by your nation in hundreds of years, ie expansion

>>132844271
> when kek blessed me with the trips but you don' want to listen to the will of god

>>132843150
good luck explaining common sense to nationalist retards,
we reactionaries are a minority here and always were

>>132843150
Yes, religion is a tool to control the plebs. no shit

>>132844373
marxists can go fuck off

>>132843150
nothing is sustainable but the jew will be defeated

https://youtu.be/70E9KA48Sic

>>132844206
Oh gosh I didn't know that a penis is physically incapable of going into a vagina unless it wis attached to 100k km^2.

>>132844271
i have no idea how your first 2 paragraphs relate to the question of monarchism but ok.

bad people and (((chosen people))) existed everywhere and all the time. sin is a fact of life, it's just a question of degree. when the degree hit a high in russia because of (((the chosen peoples))) it fell apart. that's why we need to get them out first.

>>132844527
> oh god you really think you can outcompete the ISIS and chink families by overpopulating your own small country
think again ancap

>>132844599
problem are not jews, but burgeois, citizenry, merchants and similar
wheteher jews or any other ethnicity

classical liberalism needs to be stopped

>>132844395
Not a marxist. It's just basic statecraft to recognize religion as a tool to control the masses. But it only works in countries where people are actually dumb/uneducated enough to believe in religion in large numbers, like in Saudi arabia or Russia. First world countries are already too advanced to successfully implement caesaropapism

>>132844672
Don't confuse nationalism with imperialism you fucking retard.

>>132844599
I can keep giving you evidence on just how degenerate the courts of Europe were.

>In July 1889, the Metropolitan Police uncovered a male brothel operated by Charles Hammond in London's Cleveland Street. Under police interrogation, the male prostitutes and pimps revealed the names of their clients, who included Lord Arthur Somerset, an Extra Equerry to the Prince of Wales.

>>132843150
Tbh Monarchism is redpill AF, but the world isn't going to return to a monarchy based society from the current republic based style of society. At best, it will take well over a century and be totally out of the scope of our lifetimes. If a violent revolution happens, it won't result in monarchism until such a thing becomes more commonly accepted. The current focus should be on making traditional values more popular and getting mainstream culture to become more traditionalist in character.

To have any lasting change politically, you need to change culture.

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>>132843150
Genie is out of the bottle. Nationalism is dead in this era.

>>132844765
take the dugin pill

>>132844765
> care for your own country
> ISIS outbreeds you 3:1
> ISIS invades your country
> bye-bye your country and culture

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>>132844810
>traditional values
>from monarchy

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132844848
You can't have traditional values with degenerates ruling over you. That's my point.

>>132844888
>you can only be a nationalist if you are in favor of expanding your nation and filling it with non-nationals
ebin, simply ebin

>>132844890
> i said that the right religion is necessary
> he continues to tell me about either unproven facts or degenerate monarchs from Catholicism
not. an. argument.

Why would we want to expand outside the US?

>Rid the US of degeneracy (death squads patrolling the streets and making an example of those deemed degenerate)
>Burn sanctuary cities and leftist/nigger strongholds to the ground
>Hang illegals at the border to turn potential border jumpers away
>Become a North Korea-tier isolationist country for a decade or so

It would be hard at first. But the US has the privilege of being almost completely self-sufficient of necessities.

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>>132844888
>>132844111

Monarchist got trips twice. Kek is sending you a message /pol/fags

>>132845003
> the US actually has a chance to not expand, but that's only under the condition that ISIS fucks and chinks and other shitskins don't unite against us. Then we'll need lebensraum to produce enough young men to fend them off.

>>132844986
Romanovs were Orthodox. Saxe-Coburg-Cothas are Protestant.

>>132845288
> tfw i'm arguing for Orthodoxy. And yeah, being a king is hard faggot. You had a bad day at work and you go bust a nut to anime porn. Now imagine how hard it's for kings. I'm surprise the Romanov's did not have harems.

>>132845368
>You had a bad day at work and you go bust a nut to anime porn

I don't because I'm not a KHV LARPing in support of a rightfully dead institution.

>tfw i'm arguing for Orthodoxy

Like I said, the Orthodox Church of Russia was defanged under the Romanovs. Ironically it was Stalin that gave it a lot of power, particularly to the Patriarchate of Moscow.

>>132843150
That is the case only if the land is a finite resource. It is currently the case, yes. But let's take for example our star system - there is enough space for humanity to grow at least ten times in numbers. Problem is we don't have the required technologies right now.

You want to ditch nationalism for multiculturalism while praising a sandnigger kike
You're a degenerate faggot, kill yourself

>>132845556

> firstly, i was talking about YOU not me.

stalin totally did not murder hundreds of priests in pre-war period.

And the patriarchate was totally not under his thumb and cucking to his every wish

>>132845694
> uses more echoes than anyone in this thread
> people accuse me of promoting a kike

yeah, man, i don't see the logic here anon

>>132845744
>stalin totally did not murder hundreds of priests in pre-war period.
Yeah when he was in a fucking civil war and the Tsarist regime had used the Church as means of spying.

>And the patriarchate was totally not under his thumb and cucking to his every wish
Yet he still supported traditional values himself. Fact, he never remarried after his wife died. Your ebul gommie boogeyman was more traditional than most European fag monarchs.

>>132845556
But the orthodox are coming back strong within Russia and will rise up in the New World when the global elites collapse under their own corruption. Nephilim rising once more just like antediluvian times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcwjBXRVpj8

>>132845981
Agreed, and it won't rise up through monarchism. It's rising up through based Putin who along with Stalin ranked WAY higher than the fag monarchs of Romanov.

>>132845843
> oh look i'm a commie and I hate religion
> oh look religious people are """""spying""""" on us
> great excuse to kill them all
> killing_priests.jpg
> oh shit a war and our enemy is using religious intolerance against us to gain support from local populations
> makesapuppetchurch.jpg
> also commie ideals aren't working to produce men to die for me in this war
> returntotraditionalism.jpg
> war is over
> let's oppress the church even more

morality levels are higher than ever m8

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>>132846040
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you don't know what's coming for you commie

So you're saying that god can't be Abrahamic then?

>>132846101
Everything you said makes it clear you know nothing of what happened in the USSR, lmao. Pointless to argue really, keep backing up your LARPing monarchs.

>>132846167
If Putin became a monarch, I'd support him. Same way I support monarchs who aren't degenerate faggots like the entire Bourbon/Romanov/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line. For one, I support and would like to see the return of the Bonaparte line to power. Monarchs following the countries' values, not ancien regimes either acting as degenerates or supporting Hollywood celebrity cosmopolitan cancer culture, like the current British and Spanish monarchs.

>>132846527
> tfw I'm ethnically Russian, born into Russian culture, and Russian is my first language. Yeah I def don't know anything about USSR

I would support him too.

>>132846626
This is what I really mean honestly, I'm 100% okay with monarchs that follow the will of their country and their Faith. Napoleon Bonaparte, not Marie Antoinette. I wouldn't mind a return to monarchism if that's what you mean.

>>132846734
I agree with you there bud. Paul I, not Catherine II or Peter I.

> seriously, you should really look into what Paul I did. He was pretty fucking based.

>>132844271
>>132843150
I'm orthodox russian and you don't know the fuck you're talking about.
The orthodox monarch courts were just as degenerate and fucked as catholic or protestant.

The byzantines courts were degenerate under some Emperors like during Angelos Dynasty and Doukas etc.

Ivan the terrible was one of most insane inept Monarchs Russia ever had, literally chuch opposed his autism and he burned priests and patriarchs.

Catherine the great is wildly know for being literally whore with crown, she and her entire russian cuort were making giant fucking orgies everywhrere, it was so big that Paul I legitimacy was questioned.

The latter Romanov dinasty was even more inept and degenearte, Nicholas had multiple lovers.presumably Rasputin fucked his wife and made Nicholas children do most abhorent and perverted shit imaginably like making them suck his fingers. The rest of Romanovs were just as fucked up.

Absolute Monarchy is a retarded barbaric concept from past. Being ruled by a person who just was born to royal family is absurd concept that even Roman Empire understood.
Im ok with monarchy only if it's heavily constitutional like in Britain, so that Monarch can't do shit.


Your statement of Nationalism being bad is also stupid because your entire argument is that (expansionism is bad) but how both world war showed us, expansionism is fucking suicidal in modern world, it's better to have an bunch of ethno-states with cooperate together and help each other.
>"We are all Romeians regardless of ethnicity and we should work together as brothers in God"
Stop pushing your civic cuckoldry, look how well it worked to romans... Only thing you are doing is showing how cucked christians are.

>>132846931
it worked well for the Byzantines, held up their empire for 1123 years unlike uncle hitler's empire.

Also, of course there will be degenerates. It's unavoidable. And who knows, you get hitler in power and his successor will be the biggest chad in the country. That's a problem no one can avoid.

Also you're implying hereditary rule is good. I don't agree there, I think we should adopt the byzantine model and have the emperor appoint a successor.

> also cucked christian meme
I bet you're a jew, cause the amount of slander you post is insane.

>>132846931
>Im ok with monarchy only if it's heavily constitutional like in Britain, so that Monarch can't do shit.
Even there it's pretty shit in the example I've given. There's still examples of some good monarchs (like Napoleon) but anything ancien regime tier is fucking shit. As to the British monarchy, its full of degenerate scandals. How do we forget about the fact that Prince Chuck is a literal cuckold?

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>>132847209
Well i'm implying system like Mussolini had.
Monarch is impotent in political rulership without any power but in name, but Duce is the real ruler.

>>132847202
>held up their empire for 1123
So well they were cucked first by Turks because how much unorganized they were and then by Crusaders and their venician friends how having that good old "successor dispute" and massacring latins for no reason 15 years ago...

>also cucked christian meme
I wasn't saying christians are cucked, just (you) for pushing civic cuckoldry which LARPgans are criticizing christians for.

>>132844103
sooner or later you'll need more land and resources, resulting in expansion, we don't have that shit anymore because the international system for some (((reason))) after WWII thinks everyone it's the fucking same and we can just walk into anyplace we want also population growth is only allowed for subhuman countries, developed countries get fucked

no (You)'s

>it goes in options field.

>>132847800
> Mussolini held up his power so well ... cucked by commies in <20 years

yeah man history is on your side here.

also you're implying we can't live with black people in peace. My only condition is that shitskins don't influence our demographics and are of the same religion as us and no interracial marriages. If that condition is held, I don't mind them living, cause if we train them correctly and kill the violent niggers, we'll only leave us with benevolent black people of our religion who don't breed with our girls. What's the problem white supremacist untermensch?

>>132843150
Th Roman/Byzantine empires were the greatest of all time.
Far better than the British or the USA
Christianity was the weakness of all these empires
That is because Christianity makes the strong feel guilty for exploiting the weak.

>>132848122
Christianity held together the Byzantine and Romanov empires. When the (((jew))) started to influence them (for the Byzantines it was when they made that fucking deal with the Pope), it undermined their religion and consequently their will to survive.

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>>132843150
>Nationalism is not sustainable

OP HEADLINE TRANSLATION: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc

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>>132843150
>"Nationalism is not sustainable"
>nation states have ruled the planet for several thousand years
>every attempt at a continent spanning empire has failed within a decade or two

Uh-huh.

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>>132848102
>cucked by commies <20 years
What is war and (((international))) clique?

>implying we can't live with black people in peace.
Oh yeah, like USA of South Africa had had before they started to get liberal and turned it all away because of "muh feelings" "muh morals"
Change your flag at least if your gonna promote civic cuckold.
Niggers have no place in europe or any other continent besides africa. Most africans are averagly low iq savages who would ruin everything.