15$/hr MINIMUM WAGE

>>132752138
*20euros

>>132752138
No, it's 15 an hour. Ontario just enacted the same law.

>>132752138
That's why they are slowly being replaced by those touchscreen kiosk things.

>>132752138
Greece is poor. Your reward for socialism.

Anyway, minimum wage is a retarded idea. It will cause unemployment and is bad for the economy, con top of infringing on your freedom.

>>132752289
>>132752359
Is the cost of living that much higher over there?
Shit's pretty expensive here I make like 500-600 euros a month (on a good month) and the only luxury I can afford is internet, anything else goes to bills.

If I made 3.500euros a month I would be considered upper-middle class at worst. How much money is your middle class supposed to be making over there?

Its mental illness. the kids are crazy and lazy. bad combo. Hard work? Fuck off. High pay? Obviously. But we will need ample downtime to play on our phones between lattes.

the future is dead already.

>>132752289
Isnt 15 leaf bucks like 10 burger bucks?

>>132752138
I do the same thing you do and got 15 an hour but I don't think that I deserve more than people working at McDonalds. That job sucks and people who do it because they have limited options deserve a fair wage.

>>132752138
America has slightly higher living standards and prices than you.

>>132752138
Leftists are fucking idiots, what's new?

Also good thing having a good job in Greece man, considering that unemployment over there is ridiculously high. Are you guys going to end up leaving the EU do you think? I hope you do, that thing is a shithole.

>>132752667
>slightly
do people in european countries which arent in the shitter make 3000 bucks working at mcdonalds? 'the fuck?

>>132752564
>Is the cost of living that much higher over there?

Yes.

>>132752138
yeah its pants on head retarded though,

but honestly it could be raised to $9 at least

>>132752788
dunno m8, probably not, no one really gives a fuck or care here

>>132752893
this, the cost of living is retarded here. unless you are living in nigger filled ghettos you have to outrageous prices to live decently here.

>>132752893
is it so high that 3.5grand a month should be considered minimum wage? How much do you pay for a coke, like 20 bucks?

>>132752138
These restaurants are all automating in response, there's already an autonomous McDick's where I live with just one guy behind the counter and all payment/ordering is done through kiosks or online.

Also why are you doing heavy manual labor when you live in a socialist country with free tuition for bachelors deg

>>132752138
nobody works 28 days per month at McDonald's. also, after taxes that 15/hr is going to be about 100 for 8 hours, if they even get 8 hours per day, and if they get 5 days per week they can walk away with 500 bucks.

that's barely enough to cover rent, food, bills, and our retarded healthcare costs. long story short, America is fucking expensive.

>>132753030
that depends on where you live more than anything. Someone living in commiefornia is gonna have an exorbitant cost of living compared to someone in say Tennessee

>>132753052
my rent is 1,500$ for a 3 bedroom, plus bills ( not including groceries is almost 2.4000$ plus monthly groceries puts me at almost 2,800$ then gas for my car which fluctuates.

>>132752564
>I make 500-600 Euros a month
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

I just worked a 9 hour day. Started at 330 and ended it 1230. I got paid 1357 nok 162$. Shit tier wage by norway standards but I chose this and its only to get me through uni.

People are ungrateful swines I am just happy to have a job. I can get proper pay once I finish my degree.

>>132752138
>15$/hr MINIMUM WAGE
>HOL UP

>I just realized this.....people seriously demand 15$/hr to work at fucking mickey dees'? WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK

>I make 22$ (22euros) a DAY, working hard manual labor 8-10 FUCKING HOURS A DAY, repairing, fixing and painting houses.

>15$/hr is 120$ per day on an 8hr shift.
>Working 28 days a month this shit is ALMOST 3,500$ DOLLARS PER MOTH TO WORK AT MC DONALDS

>What is going on......? Am I missing something?
>Is it actually 15$/day instead of hour?
That's not actually much more skilled or harder work than McDonald's. I used to do that for 5$ an hour. Also 22 Greek dollars is like 50 American cents

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>Be in uni
>Free education and healthcare
>Gov pays 300 euros off my 3 something rent
>300 euros extra free money and non interest loans from which I only have to pay 70%

mfw I make money for just studying and doing nothing. I kinda feel bad for it . Now I only need to get out of this shithole so I dont have to pay ourageous taxes

>>132753346
>I used to do that for 5$ an hour
yeah we have albanians who will do it for 2, they will basically plug the wholes in your walls with shit and paint em over with nail polish
>Also 22 Greek dollars is like 50 American cents
burger education..I just googled and 22 "greek dollars" is an american freedom coupon for subway for a small beverage

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PAY DENBTS

>>132752656
They deserve what the market will bear. If you're thirty and have zero marketable skills, that shouldn't be my problem.

>>132753325
>I can get proper pay once I finish my degree.

That's just what they tell you so that you'll be drowning in debt for the rest of your life

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>>132753346
>Also 22 Greek dollars is like 50 American cents

wat

>>132753243
assuming you have a roommate or spouse that also contributes income? or why else do you have a three bedroom?

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I earn 10k € as a tour guide. 20h/week

>>132752656
fair would be like 10..15 is ALOT...

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>>132753661
No, education is "free" over there. Instead, he'll drown in taxes.

>>132753661
M8 m8 I'll pay tht shit off in 10 years topz. I'll even be able to get a loan for a house once I finish my degree if I don't splurge too much and I keep my job

>>132753243
God damn I live near the country side and my mortgage is $464 for a 3 bedroom house. All my bills combine rarely reach $900/mo. Food is about $300-$400 with 2 kids and a wife. I make $55k/yr.

>>132753346
its more dangerous than Mc Donald,
Its more tiring
it has a toll on your body
it needs more skills

Fuck off you McDonald oser. Don't try to say that working in Restoration is equal than beeing in contruction/manual labor ahahah thats silly!

>>132753715
yes obviously i have a family to provide for but i am not including things like clothes, school shit, car repairs, or anything else that wouldn't include bills and groceries and my monthly cost of living is aproaching 3,000$ a month. the op has no clue what he is talking about if he thinks that the average american is living pay check to pay check barely making it. keeping your head above water here with a family in america is damn near impossible without an amazing job

Let me just count how much I make a day real quick.
Ok, it's 19$. And it's considered not bad where I live.

>>132752564
I live in Vancouver.

Hordes of billionaire Chineezes have made this like the 3rd most expensive city in the world. If you rent here it's $2k for a tiny 1 bedroom apt, plus you have to pay $60 or so for hydro, $40 internet, $40 for your ripoff telecom, $120/mth++ for insurance for a vehicle, $50/mth tenant insurance, plus $100/mth medical premiums whether you see a doctor or not. The typical wage here (unless you work for the government) is $45k/year - $75k depending on expertise, a senior developer would make around $75k that's it unless you knew somebody.

Most people do not salary slave for the low wages they run their own business instead/become contractors. So OP, complaining about being paid low wages for painting would be a home renovation contractor here hired by the Chineez billionaires to repaint their mansions pink and feng shui the house knocking down walls. A friend of mine runs a balcony cleaning service that is booked for months in advance, and makes about $400/day after expenses doing so, but after taxes he's left with maybe $4k a month, which barely goes anywhere here.

tl;dr if you move to Canada don't come here unless you're a billionaire chinaman

>>132753827

I'd be willing to bet the person who took that photo was being a jackass and the staff were poking back at him.

>>132753873
I'm going to scotland and since we're outside the EU I'll have to pay 17440 bongs each year + living expenses

>>132752138
Get out of that trade job then you retard if you cant hack it.

>>132754079
Not bad for russia at all

>>132754094
dont worry with the way shit goes Im closer to moving to my fathers 300people village and become a self-sustained farmer

>>132752138
That's because your country is poor. In most advanced countries, manual labor pays well

But it's funny how even crappy jobs like mcdonald's are going extinct
In most mcdonald's here, you have to place your order through a teminal

>>132754183
Evidently youve never been to a McDonald's. If your rude, they spit in your food. That image is laziness commonly found by McDonald's stafg

>>132752138
>Be BC fag
>Work on a farm during summers
>Aquire skills untill I can do almost every job on the farm
>Job I normally do is worth 13 or so beaverbux and hour, but get 15 because if they need anything else done I can do it.
>NDP wins election
>Dumb commies want to give us a 15 minimum wage
>TFW you're going to instantly become a minimum wagie overnight if the commies have their way.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S NOT FAIR POUR GAS ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND BURN IT TO THE GROUND REEEEEEEEEE

>>132754353
*staff

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>>132752138
>hard manual labor

>>132752138
People refuse to get actual skills to work at a real job, so they screech about how their teenager-level job should make as much as something more worthwhile.
Immigrants with zero work or communication skills have 10 kids, but don't understand that working at McDonalds is not a job designed to support a fucking family.
All raising the minimum wage does is create inflation.

>>132753827
One time I ordered a burger from McDonalds and told them I only wanted pickles on it, not tomatoes/etc/ The black dude at the register was like
>ayo man i know wachu mean bro i hate that shit
I got my order and went home without checking if they got it right. When I sit down to eat the burger I noticed it's literally just a bun with pickles, no patty or anything.
The fucking nigger thought that "just pickles" meant "bun with pickles"

>>132752138
I got in an argument with somebody recently.

I have access to management tools at the resturant I work at and we would have to fire 3 full time employees and a part timer in order to maintain labor at 20-28%. We have about 430 labor hours a week and we would have to cut down to 260 in order to keep prices the same.

>>132754283
Well that sounds like a lot of work.

>>132752862
>>132752138
>>132752564

Rent for a shitty apartment usually costs between 800-1200 / month in burgerland.

However, once everything reaches equilibrium 5-10 years after this law gets enacted, I would expect this average cost to go up, along with the cost of everything else. Gotta keep (((them))) happy after all.

If we kicked out all the illegals the reduction in unskilled labor supply & low end housing demand would render this whole discussion moot. I live in a part of the country with very few illegals; as a result the fast food places start at $9/hr or more, and small apartment or trailer is only $400 a month. That leaves plenty left over as long as you aren't stupid with your money.

>>132754094
>balcony cleaning
that a fucking thing?

>>132753637
This. If you don't have anything useful to offer society then you don't deserve a lot of money

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>>132753672
Hurr durr.
What is a hyperbole?

>>132754020
What state?

>>132754616
grandfather is already a farmer there
>>132754504
>restoring a 20yo semi-abandoned house externally for 2 weeks straight, at 100 degrees was my latest job
shut the fuck up fag

>>132752564
Yes cost of living is really expensive

It depends where you live if you live in a state on the coast like California or New York or Florida you can expect everything to be expensive
If you live in a state in the middle of nowhere like Nebraska or Montana life will be cheap

For example a house that costs $100k in montana would be 600k in los angles, CA

But back to the poor people demanding minimum wage
the federal minimum wage is like 7.50 or 8 dollars I can't remember per hour
Yes that's per hour
However when you work you get charged tax on your paycheck and you'll get like 20-30% of it gone to the government

If you work for CASH, i.e. No paperwork involved like a field like construction or manual labor or for women taking care of kids , that doesn't happen
You have to "self report" it to the government when you do taxes and most people lie

If you're doing dangerous manual labor you can get paid 20$/hr here in California

If you do shit like climbing cell phone towers or telephone poles you can be making 60k-100k a year depending on it

This is the beauty of living in a country with a GDP of $18T

Why do you think the unskilled workers of Mexico and Latin America (and the Filipinos and Vietnamese) try their hardest to sneak into this country ?

In Mexico, the very very poor make 6$ a day
So they come here, work and send money back to their country

Oh and for the niggers, the ones who demand 15/hr
Apartment rents are like 1200$ a month

Ironically since they live off minimum wage the government gives them section 8 housing aka they get CASH subsidies to pay for like half of their rent
On top of that they get free food through EBT food stamps and free healthcare through medical Medicare etc

>>132752138
It's leftists. Stuff is expensive. Poor people can't afford stuff, but they work hard. So let's force businesses to pay higher wages. What about the people who already make 15$ an hour? I don't know. Check their privilege or some shit. What if someone can't find a job at all? The government should give them money. Also we need more non-white migrants so we have cheaper labor. What if no one votes for our stupid agenda? Get more non-white migrants. But don't be racist and say that non-whites vote for the left. Oh no, people are still poor. Let's raise the minimum wage to 20$ an hour.

Don't engage with these people. They're disruptors.

>>132754660
I rent a shitty one for about 225 here. Thank God I have no kids yet.

>>132752138
I think that they are so stupid they see other countries have minimum wages about $15 an hour but can't figure out how different currencies are worth less than USD

>>132754660
>Rent for a shitty apartment usually costs between 800-1200 / month in burgerland
That depends on where you live. In California you can get a 1 bedroom, 800sq ft apartment for $1200 a month, but if you go back east, to say Alabama (inb4) you can get a 4 bedroom, 2000 sq ft house for $600 a month.

>>132752138
>Am I missing something?

Inflation. $3500 sounds good until you realize that a fucking phone costs $600 nowadays.

>>132752651
Pretty much. I live right at the border of bc and Washington state and can never go down because of the exchange rate.

>>132755007
And that 1 bedroom apartment in alabama would run like $350

>>132755078
you don't have to have the latest fucking phone. Everyone is way to caught up with keeping up with the jones

>>132752138
Yeah but you're in Greece.Is like some panjeet coming on here and complaining gets paid $2 a day working in a sweat shop

>>132755078
Why would you buy a $600 phone if you're poor

>>132755266
you mean poo shop Spaniard

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>>132755078
I mean, what a bargain!

However this beauty is nearly $200 in today's dollars.

>>132755266
so, which "developed" non-shit country in europe has 3000euros/month minimum wage?

>>132754560
>etc
saying that without mentioning the patty exclusively includes the patty as part of the collective, anon, didn't your English teacher ever tell you that?

>>132755078
Why does stuff being expensive justify the government forcing businesses to pay higher wages? Fuck your shit, leftist.

>repairing, fixing and painting houses
>any more laudable than working at the fat joint

>>132754560
kek

>>132755078
You can get a shitty Nokia for like £25 maximum. Won't do much extra but if you're poor it'll get the job done

>>132755414
>jungle-stripe sizzler
LOL

>>132753052
A bottle of coke is like $1.50-$2.00
Prices fluctuate depending if it's on sale or not
My girlfriend is currently on vacation in Spain and she told me it's like 30 cents there

The cost of living here is high because 1) rent is high (unless you live in the middle of nowhere but why would you want to do that) 2) people spend MORE than they earn with credit cards, i.e. If I work at mcdonalds why do I want to buy a 700$ iphone? EVERYONE and their mother has the latest phone; latest laptop etc
It's a consumer culture

You gotta pay for rent, your car payment , your food , your phone bills etc etc
The problem is people here don't want to be frugal

Especially the poor people
Life in let's say California is VERY hard without a Car
You gotta pay for gasoline too etc
Ironically they passed a law a few years ago that allows illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses in California

>>132753134
And this too, they usually work part time work which is 4 hours a day, because if you're full time employee (8 hours a day) the company is required by law to give you benefits like health care

>>132754907
You see the problem with leftists is that they argue that raising the minimum wage isn't bad because it's just taking more profit out the pockets of the corporations

I agree somewhat but I just think the niggers don't deserve 15$ an hour for sitting on their ass and getting my order wrong

A 15$ minimum wage doesn't hurt mcfaggot, but it does hurt local businesses that struggle to get by

>>132755583
I know right?
Fuck houses and humane living conditions and caring about your property and shiieeet

>>132755649
but how will I use snapchat, tinder, instagram and facebook?

>>132755516
I didn't say "no tomatoes, etc." when I ordered it
I told him "just pickles"
if he's retarded enough to think that means just a bun and pickles then he shouldnt be working there

>>132754787
It is when you live in a highly regulated city where you aren't allowed to have water drip down to other balconys, so he steam cleans them. Almost everybody here lives in some shitty postage stamp sized apartment in the sky with a tiny balcony.

Plus people here work so much you have no time to clean your own balcony, or your own house, hence the whole gig economy bullshit or grocery delivery, house cleaning, balcony cleaning, pet walking..

>>132752138
Reduce that by about 23 percent and you get the actual number. You have to account for taxes.

>>132755078
a phone costs $25 where I live

$80 if you want all that fancy touch screen "smartphone" shit

>>132755871
or maybe he's the perfect employee for the place, considering today's society

>>132752138
You live in Greece, here you're lucky to have a shit job that pays you garbage. Here in America, we can afford to pay our employees 15 instead of 7 dollars an hour, but then I would only be able to buy 2 Big Mac's a day instead of 3, so it's bad for business.

Hope you understand, it's not just poor people being greedy, it's also that we live in a country with a functioning economy.

>>132755840
>Ironically they passed a law a few years ago that allows illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses in California

I know. Fuck this state.

>>132755943
why don't you just loot some cunts boat and get a free phone my Somalian friend

>>132755314
you require a phone to work in pretty much every job now
so thats $200 for an entry level model or you have to get credit checked to take out a monthly plan

>>132755852
I can also word working at the burguer joint as "feeding people"

Any nigger can do the job you do. In fact, they do.

>>132756140
if your are a poor cunt you don't need an expensive phone for work. If it can take calls and txt then that's fine for work to contact you

>>132756140
You can get ones for less than $200, but that has nothing to do with him saying you need a $600 phone

>>132752525
So you are saying wages make jobs disappear? If the government can price you out of your job you aren't doing anything useful. Employers especially those with multinational ad campaigns can pay $15 an hour.

>>132756215
No they dont you moron. The only thing you reveal saying shit like that is that you never owned/rented a house you actually cared about and youre still living with your parents.

>>132752138
Lol hard manual labor.
What cucks
LMAO

>>132756140
>so thats $200 for an entry level model
lol what?

>>132754907
i'm so grateful my boss is conservative. he keeps matching my pay everytime the min. wage increases. here in portland they passed the $15 min wage law and its going up every 6 months until it gets there. just went up to $11.25 the first of this month. my boss is a good guy and he knows this is fucking over people who have worked hard to get where they are. I have worked up the ladder for 7 years to get to $18 an hr. then they do this shit when the faggets im looking after cant even show up to their shifts on time

>>132755163
my 2 bedroom is $970 with a year lease. otherwise $1070
>mfw

>>132755007
Where the fuck do you live in California? I live in the bay area and it's $2.6k a month for a studio apartment.

>>132755122
HAHAHA FUCK YOU LEAF!

>>132752359
this.
if the government tries to make businesses pay an insane minimum wage for jobs a simple machine can do, their will be less available jobs, therefore increasing poverty.

>>132755840
>You see the problem with leftists is that they argue that raising the minimum wage isn't bad because it's just taking more profit out the pockets of the corporations
They say that. In the long run they're not actually taking money from the rich and giving it to the middle class. They're taking money from the middle class and giving it to the third world. They've set up a moral standard where it's okay to attack "the rich," but rich is relative. Is someone who makes 100,000$ a year rich? Pretty much, from a global perspective. Let's take his money too, since we've accepted that "the rich can afford it" and whatnot.

>>132756497
>7 years
>only makes $18/hr
Wew lad

>>132752138
it's a fake movement funded by techno-globalists to kickstart the robot takeover and slavery resulting from the guaranteed income horseshit.

>>132756469
No. I have brazilians and niggers do that job you do. The fact your simple tasks are hard just shows how limited you are.

>working hard
>checks flag
el oh el

>>132756697
Thats what I mean, i just posted the cheap end. I live in shithold bakersfield and theyre $1200 and up

>>132756857
Yeah and the shit they "fix" will need fixing again in a year at most because you get what you pay for. And then youre gonna hire those fucking fags again and again and again while they realize they can do however shitty job they want and milk you for all you have, being there every single day "fixing" things.

Why am I even bothering explaining this to you, sorry you grew up without a father.

>>132756970
works hard at racking up debt, almost the jews best buddy but they expect you to pay it back

>>132756140
Are you gonna do rendering with your phone?
Jesus christ, a good phone can be purchasable for mere 50 bucks.

>>132755122
I live close to the border as well near Blaine and there are a FUCK TON of Canadians down here. Whats the appeal?

>>132756723
fuck off i had to quit school when i was 16 to work to help my fucking parents support my brother and i. im a poorfag but ive been working my way out of it. i also have business managment skills now to use when my girlfriend gets out of school. and now i make $19.50 which is more then 40k a year with paid vacation and quartely bonus

>raising the minimum wage isn't bad because it's just taking more profit out the pockets of the corporations

Every penny of "corporate profits" comes from the consumer. So do "corporate taxes."

It is all reflected in the price you pay for goods.

>>132752138
> greece
> had 100k pensions for ice cream men for decades
> is complaining about $15 min wage

>>132756697
Theres your problem. (((Renting)))

>>132757467
>let me tell you about your country

Actually ice cream men where getting 900k pensions for 7 years of work

>tfw making 230$ a month
>own audi a4 (i got it tho, didnt buy it)
>own my own house (yes, a house, whole thing, paying nothing to no one)
>growing my own food and fishing my own fish, sometimes trade it with other people for what they grow for food
>made an electric generator and currently not paying power bills (in winter its complicated, i use wood i chop myself for warmth but the river freezes and i have to pay the electricity)
>work as an electrician or programmer (certified for both, have the schools) but pretty much dont need anything from society
>im kinda worried for my health but getting fixed at a hospital costs 0 in my country

imf and world bank virtual points are pure autism
im 23 years old, living more or less 100% on my own (generating my own electricity for fucks sake), dug my own well, made a stone foundation for my own house, fixing my own car and growing my own food etc
computer and the internet are pretty much the only things i cant build on my own, i trade things or my skills for stuff like spice and chocolate (cant grow that here)
and every single piece of money i ever made, i never even got to spend any of it, it just sits in a shoe boxes

acording to (((economists))) and (((world bank))) and what not i am supposed to be african tier poor, but i made my own air conditioning (bought the gas, made the pump myself), i moved slightly out of belgrade (capital city) in a literal fucking jungle (no one here as long as the eye can see, no-mans land) and built almost everything myself
took the tools from my dad, returned them when i was done, my father also never had a job in his life on any piece of paper, even tho he regularly travels around balkans because he owns two businesses he started himself, but never put down on any piece of paper, all transactions under the desk...

anyway someone name a single luxury he has, and i dont
ill wait
i just stored almost 300 kilos of peaches i planted out of boredom one day

>>132756397
You realize these places are individually owned right? They pay monthly taxes up to the parent corps who fund the ad campaigns they don't own each individual store. When you open say, a fast food restaurant you pay $100k-1million to the parent company just to use the branding rights and are responsible for all the wages yourself.

University of Washington just released a study on the new $15/hr Seattle wage and they discovered the bottom rung of the ladder has been eliminated, meaning unless you have a degree you aren't even getting a job at McDonalds as they are now eliminating all unskilled labor and only looking for skilled employees even to flip a burger. Use sci-hub to access this data: http://www.nber.org/papers/w23532

>>132752138
>I make 22$ (22euros) a DAY, working hard manual labor 8-10 FUCKING HOURS A DAY, repairing, fixing and painting houses.

you work a bitch job and get paid $22 / hour? does your dad own the company?

>>132757619
> greece trying to advise anyone on economics
Here's your (you), now shoo

>>132757172
>>132757268
It's a consumer thing here, you "NEEEEED" the latest gadget

You're right that I can buy a 50$ android and it'll be fine but you have to understand that all the people 18-35 in America want the latest gadget otherwise how can they get their iMessage or Instagram or Snapchat or take your super cool pics
>>132757467
100k pensions???!

>>132756722
Relatively rich yes
But by that logic the whole US is relatively rich
Someone living in "poverty" in the US is living the equivalent of a middle class life in a third world country

>>132757657
I dalje si cetik.

>>132757776
>he considers sarcasm "advice"
DONT kill yourself

>>132757657
t. larper

>>132757132
No. You seem to be projecting a lot.
In fact, your job is so simple I do it with my father when we have spare time from our real jobs. Trust me, it's simple. You just think it's not because it's all you can do.

People like you we send to work for the French because the job they do is what niggers can do for less.

>>132754079
Need help fellow ruskie?

>>132757195
Cost of groceries is cheaper, also owning land is cheaper, gas is cheaper, everything costs less than it does here. My friend has a cabin at Mt. Baker and it costs 1/4 the amount it would cost to have a cabin up here.

There's a fuck ton of Americans up here too, 3 cruise ships dock everyday and 12,000 Americans are wandering around "Dude where's the weed".

>>132752138
$15/hour is laughable.

Can you imagine the pathetic slave mentality of the people who push for $15?

Their outlook on life is so bleak, their only hope is to pressure the government to raise their McDicks wages to up to $15.

Get some skills, noob!

>>132757973
Have fun getting financially cucked by niggers, you already do.

If you're lucky they might entail fucking your wife in their low low prices..now wouldnt THAT be a bargain!

>>132752138
it isn't that people want $15 an hour, its that they want a living wage. I think that is the real issue.

But the problem is we aren't allowed to talk about the real issues, which involve interest slavery to private banks. There is also poor public planning, where money is considered more important than adequate housing.

Any society should be able to house an adult who works full time on any income level. there is no reason why there cannot be a hotel sized living space for every citizen of a country. To be a citizen, subject to laws, but not entitled to adequate shelter, is a serious problem.

People can argue with me all they want, but the simple fact is that many of these class and income issues would be a thing of the past if we solved the housing problem.

>>132757814
not the same anon you were talking to. i have the same shitty phone for 4 years

>>132757857
sing me a song about the economic powerhouse that is greece

You make 25 US Dollars a day.

>>132757268
Boo fucking hoo.
I used to be a poor fag too I worked hard at a company for 4 years and I make close to 80k/yr with no college education.

>>132758343
greece is the strongest economy worldwide at the moment, you moron

>>132758460

What is your cost of living like? Avg rent, food, etc.

>>132755007
depends on where youre at in alabama. shitty apartments are still kinda expensive in urban alabama

>>132754512
Yeah but where are the so called good jobs dude? To get marketable skills requires a huge upfront investment. Minimum five figures and maybe six including opportunity costs if not working. And then it's so damn competitive to get the good job because everybody wants it. With big companies they pay hardly any tax but benefit enormously from the public coffer and the infrastructure and legal system. In lieu of taxes this wage hike is intended to disperse some of the profits to the worker I guess. I don't know if it will work how much or at all. Maybe no minimum wage and no regs is better but nobody really fucking knows. High minimum wages seem to work well elsewhere, or at least AS well no? Talking about Australia and Denmark.

>>132758460
> 18k gdp per capita,
> one of the lowest standards of living,
> ultra low HDI,
> protests everywhere,
> unstable government

You're like the Venezuela of Europe

>>132758692
Well yeah, big cities and all, but they arent anywhere near California prices.

>>132758633
rent 200euros/month
food 200 euros/month
utilities 200 euros/month

food and utilities fluctuate, If I dont have money I eat less and spend less electricity, but I live alone. People making as much as me live way more comfortably with their parents

>>132758417
well thats nice. good for you. im not looking for sympathy fagget. just saying that was the situation. you got lucky, the national median income is 56k. if you're making 80 without highschool education you got lucky and worked hard. you should be proud. i am proud of myself for being where i am today with what i had to work with

>>132758143
What are you talking about?
People like you are being bossed around by people with real jobs, like me.

Meanwhile you think your job that any able bodied person can do has any greater value. Your job is the job kids here joke about when their grades drop.

>>132752138
If you think that working at McDonald's is so much easier than your manual labor, why not quit your job and work at McDonald's? It's only a difference of $5, and you would be working so much less

$15/hr minimum wage is retardedly insane

the current min wage in the US is $7.25
they wanna fucking double it?

>>132758908
*college

>>132758841
>post he LITERALLY JUST REPLIED TO is about sarcasm and how he doesnt get it
>he replies seriously TO THE GREEK WHO SAID THAT, in a post claiming GREECE IS THE BEST ECONOMY OF THE WORLD
nigger youre so fucking dense you should be issued gravity fines

>>132752564
Guy i hate to break it to you i work a $9 an hour job for like 40 hours a week i make $600 every two weeks. I'm just doing an easy job until i go to college if you did shit repairing houses here you're looking at like $13 - $16 an hour.

>>132758084
There are no middle class jobs genius. 15$ an hour min wage jobs are for people who are lucky enough not to be on welfare but they still pay up the ass for services. Theres a class divide growing in america now not only overseas so higher min wage is a bandaid solution. Eventually in america all lower class will be on welfare and all higher class will use the rest of the world as the new working class. Just embrace it and be thankful you live in the usa.

>>132758187
I started working at 16 years old making 7.10$ leafbucks/hr at Tim Hortons, I didn't like it , I didn't like dealing with people but I had bills to pay. Made enough to pay my bills, had enough left over to buy a case of beer once a month and order out. When I was around 19 years old I was making about 10.50$ per hour. I could easily afford a bachelors apartment and beer on a weekly basis with whatever food I wanted in my fridge. After I got sick of making so little I picked myself up and applied for a roofing labourer job. It was a hard job but I grew from it. Not only in wages but from experience. I now am a shingler with experience in all other applications making 24/hr. Raising the minimum wage to 15 absolutely trivializes the effort I put into to improve myself. Makes my 24 worth less.

I'm a tad ticked.

>>132754094
fuck off with your worthless canada money, let me translate your costs to EUR:

€ 1300 rent for appartment in city centre + € 90 costs (hydro, internet, etc)

= TOTALLY FUCKING NORMAL

I was in Vancouver 2 months ago and you whining snowflake canadians cry for no reason. The only real expense is house prices, which are ridiculously overpriced only in some parts of the country, namely Toronto and Vancouver. Drive out 3 hours and € 150 000 actually buys you a nice house 3 bedrooms, garage, yard etc..

>>132752138
Recently, the minimum rage was set at $12. The prices on menus have subsequently gone up quite a bit. I refuse to eat food out anymore.

>>132758187
>b-but we don't have the RIGHT to live as dignified adults in the richest country on earth!
>says pol

Well said, but on another note, there are smaller cities with thriving economies and very affordable housing all over the US, especially the South, which is far better than the Midwest at least. I don't mean Nashville or Charlotte or Atlanta, I'm talking cities of ~200k that you've never heard of but are up and coming. Some people can't stomach the idea of not living in their metro area, but you can live in fairly vibrant and busy small cities and qualify for rural development housing loans making it easy af to get a house. The trend already started with people moving to the cities I mentioned, but if people take it a step further and research smaller cities that are doing well, their quality of life can increase significantly. My point is, many Americans CHOOSE to stay in unaffordable areas when they could be building an amazing life somewhere a bit smaller and take their coins back to the metros in a few years (or, more than likely, they'll love where they live).

Mark my words, people will know what Lafayette, Louisiana is in a few years. Perfect example of a small but economically thriving city that's affordable.

>>132752138
You greeks dont realize how poor you are. I work from home 27 yo have my own appartment on mortgage and take away net € 3500/ month + € 1000 - € 2000 extra depending on bounties i fixed.

Long live crypto (and no, i dont mean trading shitcoins, but actually developing)

>>132759182
15$ an hour min wage is only in cities where money is made off intellectual property and sales.

>>132757814
>But by that logic the whole US is relatively rich
Yes exactly. By leftist logic the US as a whole is a rich country that needs to pay up, no different from a large corporation.

>>132756050
>You live in Greece, here you're lucky to have a shit job that pays you garbage. Here in America, we can afford to pay our employees 15 instead of 7 dollars an hour, but then I would only be able to buy 2 Big Mac's a day instead of 3, so it's bad for business.
It's weird to read how life was in the 1960's. Grown men working at "soda shops" or pumping gas being able to buy houses, new cars and raise a family. It's crazy how much the economy has fallen in the past 50 years.

>>132757979
Not really, but thank you kind John.

>>132752862
minimum wage in Belgium is € 1500/month.

>>132752577
Pretty much this. I was making $14 an hour working in a retail store, now only getting $11 an hour working from home.
Work ethic here is absolute shit. It is damn near impossible to fill openings with people who are even qualified to do the work, let alone WILLING to work. Most just expect to be treated like royalty just for showing up for a scheduled shift, it is fucking sad. Those who DO know how to work hard end up doing the majority of the tasks while lazy fuckwit kids with paid for college degrees demand top dollar to browse facebook and take 4 shits a day on the company toilet.

>>132752138
The real problem isn't pay, it's fucking workers over by not giving them enough hours.
There should be a minimum hours, not an increased minimum wage.

>>132759133
/Pol/ people are such clueless assholes about economics. We've had a minimum wage forever, it just needs to be adjusted accordingly to inflation and cost of living. Why is that wrong? Businesses that can't afford it will die, there's your free market you cunts. Isn't the free market beautiful? Oh that's right muh free market is only supposed to apply to hapless individuals, never to big businesses or wealthy entrepreneurs. Businesses models that reflect the wage market will come up immediately. It wouldn't be a big deal at all.

>>132759317
>Euro Jew Dollars

€ 150 000 buys you a postage sized apartment as far out in the burbs as Abbottsford or even Chiliwack. You aren't getting a house for CAD $220k since the 1980s you Gypsy retard.

>>132758908
I don't think it was luck.
I just knew how to do my job well.
I'm a bakery manager at a publix in florida. Was able to reach assistant manager in 2 years and then become the manager once the baker manager become the assistant store manager.

>>132758885
>rent 200euros/month

We average about $600/month for rent for a cheap apartment. Food is about the same. Utilities are probably less for one person, but not when you factor in car insurance, gas, etc. Public transit isn't worth it unless you're in a city. Also, minimum wage in Florida is $8.10*8=64.8/day. Then taxes are about 22% altogether, so 64.8-14.26=50.54/day. 50.24*5=251.2/week.

In four weeks, we're talking $1005.6.

subtract rent @ 600, food @ 200, and utilities at 200, and you have enough for one pack of cigarettes to last you for the month. Murica isn't all it's cracked up to be.

>>132759914
Bullshit. Look at Lilliooet or around kamloops, port hardy etc etc

>>132759182
If the lowest wage is higher all wages will be higher. Things are interconnected. It's called an economy. How don't you or anybody know this?

>>132752138
I'm fine with that as long as my 55k salary is boosted to compensate

>>132759545
For now.
https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm

>>132759882
>We've had a minimum wage forever, it just needs to be adjusted accordingly to inflation and cost of living. Why is that wrong?
You're not adjusting it to the cost of living. You're adjusting it based on your feelings. How is this fair to someone who already makes 15$ an hour?

>>132760526
Because current jobs that pay $15 will have to compete with McDonalds wages you stupid fuck. You deserve to make minimum wage.

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>>132758841
>18k per capita
That's way more than the world average

>Ultra Low HDI,Standars of Living
Lol btfo you shitty mexican.Greece has a very high HDI even with crisis

Go educate yourself before you spread shit you scrub

>>132759672
Post war economy. The USA owned the world at that point and was tricking nations by trading the USD for their resources. Then once the nations started to ask for their paper notes in gold we didnt have it so Nixon fucked us with the lend lease act. Now the USA is the intellectual property of the world were you can get rich investing or live in debt for the rest of your life. Simply put if you are a working class citizen in america you are getting screwed but still not as screwed as the rest of this planet when people in china or russia make 20 USD a day.
>>132759882
I would rather the min wage be raised than prematurely going full blown socialist so yes.
>>132760526
That looks fine to me being in line with automation takeover as jobs become scarcer.

>>132752138
retarded guy doesnt know the difference between higher living conditions.

>>132760711
What do you mean by compete? You're saying they'll raise the wages of higher paying jobs in response? If everyone is getting a raise they might as well raise prices while they're at it.

>>132760036
There's no jobs there, unless you work for a government outfit like BC Hydro, so you would have to work remotely which I can do but a lot of people can't. There's also a ton of natives there so you are exchanging cheap land for crime. http://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-cities-the-rankings/

A house in Kamloops is still $400k min for something that isn't needing repairs, as a trailer costs $220k. You are also forgetting monthly property taxes which are $1200 in Kamloops and went up again 6.6% this year.

Sure you could move to middle of nowhere Yukon here and get cheap land, but only if you can work remotely which a lot of people can't.

>>132760711
And what does deserve mean? By what moral standard does a worker deserve 15$ an hour if that isn't matched to the value of their work?

>>132761400
He doesnt realize living in the city as a working class citizen is robbery.

ITT Greece discovers they are poor

>>132761557
>living in the city as a working class citizen is robbery
Oh really? It's hard to afford buying things in the city? Why would that be? The city is run by leftists who care very much about helping the working class, so I don't know why it would be hard for the working class to get by.

>>132758028
>There's a fuck ton of Americans up here too, 3 cruise ships dock everyday and 12,000 Americans are wandering around "Dude where's the weed"

I always wonder how many of the cruise people wander a few blocks away and walk to Hastings and what their reaction is like

>>132755871
Kek, reminds me if a time I ordered a double quarter pounder with bacon and the fucking retards put the bacon in a separate burger box as if I was ordering it as a side.

>>132753269
>>132752564
TOP KEK

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I already make $14/hr, though it has taken over 10 years of annual raises to get there. If OPs plan were implemented, I'd feel kind of cheated.

>>132762092
Cities are welfare hubs that are ahead of the curve in what america will look like in the future all over the country. If you are working in the city the min wage hike is required for you to survive. This is globalism so embrace it. Eventually the rural people will be forced into the city to survive as the government cannot reach aid to you out in the county.

>>132762942
You have nothing to complain about as you have been making more than others for years. What you did with that money however is on you.

>>132752138
They don't work 8 hours per day nor 28 days per month because mcdonald's won't let them. Try 12-24 hours per week tops.

It's a part of the destruction of the middle class.

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>>132754094
>spend 70 quid a week for my place
>mfw

>>132762981
>min wage hike is required

No.

Live with roommates, buy cheap healthy food (lots exist), cut cable, don't buy the most expensive cell phone plan, don't smoke or roll your own, don't party every weekend...

I could go on but poor people do lots of things they shouldn't be doing. If you want more out of life then you have to earn it.

>>132752138
>people seriously demand 15$/hr to work at fucking mickey dees'? WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
>I make 22$ (22euros) a DAY, working hard manual labor 8-10 FUCKING HOURS A DAY, repairing, fixing and painting houses.
>15$/hr is 120$ per day on an 8hr shift.
>Working 28 days a month this shit is ALMOST 3,500$ DOLLARS PER MOTH TO WORK AT MC DONALDS
>What is going on......? Am I missing something?
>Is it actually 15$/day instead of hour?

Look Philhippos, when your currency is buffered against inflationary pressures by being the global reserve currency, you can have 15$ an hour for working in McDonalds

get a petrodollar or shut up

>>132755078
>>132756140
My smart phone cost $60 and works fine.

>>132755007
Ok, I will give you that. I'd say it's $1 per square foot in a town with 30k-100k people in it. Below that, and you're paying less than $1 a square foot.

My own experience:
12K pop small town, 600 sq foot house/shack = $300/month
40k pop larger town near the ocean, 600 sq foot studio apartment = $800/month
Same town, 1200 sq foot house = $1245/month (cheaper than some apartments I looked at, and got a roommate)
200k city, rural suburbs, 2200 sq foot house = $1100/month mortgage

>>132752138
The concept of a minimum wage is fucking retarded

But to answer your question, $15 is not a lot. It's not a lot because of inflation and the insane house prices over there. You can't buy anything with $15 an hour because most of them would be gone for the rent. That will only get worse - you will see a $20 minimum wage soon, but you will be able to buy even less shit with that $20

Don't forget that manual labor in the US 60 years ago could get you a house without a problem, and if you saved and did your accounting correctly you could get two. You can't even get half a house through manual labor anymore - that's the power of inflation. So don't be too fast to judge the minimal wage because its literally pennies.

>>132763443
Well its globalism. Cut out jobs in america for profits overseas. Trump however is reversing that so we will see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBN0G6PsQvI

>>132756721
or they raise prices to compensate and lose some business

>>132764556
KEK
Trump even mentioned closing NAFTA if its not in our best interest.

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>>132762981
First of all, what you really mean is that at least 15$ an hour is required to survive. That's different from saying a 15$ an hour minimum wage is required, because the minimum wage by itself doesn't guarantee you a job. Leftists created the conditions that make shit expensive, now they're using those problems as an excuse for more socialism.

Secondly, the city is a shithole. A state like California is a massive redistribution program from whites to the third world. And you want to say the government can't afford to aid "rural people"? If anyone is promoting unsustainable government assistance for uneducated losers and leeching off the people who built our society it's leftists. If you really want the working class to have more money, why not remove refugees so citizens don't have to pay as much money in taxes to hire Arabic speaking teachers in public schools?

What city are you even talking about? Detroit? Los Angeles? Point to your model for what the rest of America should look like.

"Am I missing something?" It's called useless commie scum who can't get a better job

>>132753269
Enjoy getting cucked by Akmed.

>>132762981
And again, why does "stuff is expensive" justify forcing businesses to pay their employees more than the real market value of their work?

>>132759317
Sure you fuck, just drive out 3 hours where nobody lives and there are no jobs..... retard.

Already feel bad enough for the non city guys who drive 1.5 hours each way on top of an 8-10/hour day.

In Toronto, even to live with dindus is 1k/month. To escape the dindus, getting close to 1300/month. For a 1bdrm.

Now factor in food, travel, insurance (Which is also crazy in Toronto), and a phone/internet, and you are fucking broke.

So clearing 2k a month is fuck all. Always one check away from homeless, especially if you are single/without room mate.

>>132752138
I paraphrase:
"Wages ain't too low! Rent is too damn high!"
We could have affordable housing but then a certain type of criminal element seems to show up every time.

>>132764672
Im aware about this fact. 15$ an hour for jobs remaining and welfare or jail for the rest. Private prisons are on the rise you know. As for sanctuary cities thats the future of all america. Every one of us will be on the government teat unless globalism combated.
>>132765170
When rent is 1-2k a month a wage increase is justified regardless of what you think.

>>132752138
So, in Poland I make about 70PLN/hr (about 19$) working as experienced programmer for a bank. In USA I could make almost as much flipping burgers? This is crazy.

>>132765885
>When rent is 1-2k a month a wage increase is justified regardless of what you think.
It's caused by overpopulation. It justifies mass deportation to address source of the problem.

>As for sanctuary cities thats the future of all america.
We just need death squads to prevent it. Or a dramatic reworking of public policy if there's still time.

>>132752138
Automation solves everything. Leave it to us engineers/programmers, we'll change the world.

i knew greeks were poor, but i didn't know greeks were this poor

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This is McDonalds with $15/minimum wage.

>>132761257
Stop using your fake dollars, it gives a wrong impression (and you know it).

CAD 400k = 310k USD = again totally reasonable for a city like Kamloops, and its a house that doesnt even need repairs.

Then you claim CAD 1200/month, which is totally false. In Kamloops on CAD 400k you would pay YEARLY CAD 3677 or USD 200/month

AGAIN, TOTALLY NORMAL

Now im not saying real estate is cheap, but you canadacucks on this board need to learn you're not that special compared to the rest of the developed world.

I make roughly 330 Euro a month and I dont complain

>>132760768
I wouldnt be surprised quality of life on certain metrics in Greece is way above average USA.

Sure you have amazing places in USA, but there's a ton of absolute, soul-crushing shitholes too.

The job market is so over saturated that what was once a 'summer' job is becoming a permanent job because there just isn't anything else available. I work in a grocery store and the three other people in my section are two dads and a 60 year old man.

>>132753346
>>132754053
8 Hour hard work everyday destroys the body after years.

8 hours working McDonalds only destroys your dignity.

>>132755840
>spain
>30 cents
No.

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>>132752138
I work at McDonald's and even I think we get paid too much.

>>132752138
>my job's fucking shit and pays shit because the people managing me are fucking jews
>everyone else's job should be fucking shit too because if i suffer everyone should

>>132752564
>If I made 3.500euros a month I would be considered upper-middle class at worst.

Upper middle?
Come on, 3500 a month is upper class territory even in Italy.

>>132766824
The solution is to deport the illegals before we become illegal status in our own country ourselves. Trump knows exactly what hes doing but hes decades late. As for death squads i dont know it seems rural people just kill themselves instead.

>>132752564
Shit how do you even live? Unemployed people get about 800€/month here, it's not even worth working at this point.

>>132754560

>nigger does exactly as he's told for once
>/pol/ complains

you guys are just never satisfied

>>132759854
>demand top dollar to browse facebook and take 4 shits a day on the company toilet.

Don't forget 4 pee breaks which are also 10-20 minutes long due to staring at their phones. Their 3 20 minute paid breaks. 1 hour paid lunch. And aimless chit-chat and catching up with coworkers for 30 minutes when they get to work and before they leave for the day.

Then the actual "work" time is spent looking busy and dicking around on their phone.

>>132767989

maybe in canada but I know a place that starts at $14 an hour and looking for at least 40 more people but you need to be mechanically inclined.

>>132768432

Cost of living.

I make 1400-1500 and I'm pretty well off here in Italy.

I know plenty of 50 year olds making 700-800/month on shitty contracts with pretty much 0 rights.

>>132760006
Then work another part time job. I don't think I've ever seen a min wage job that's meant to be long term.

Even working at fucking Walmart is more than min wage, and you could move up there at the very least... It's like proponents of min wage hikes have no fucking ambition and treat their job at Baskin Robins like it's a career.

>>132752138
Minimum wage is $11 an hour and I make $11.25 doing basically nothing and living with mummy and daddy. Feels good man.

>>132752138
You live in country with an ruined economy because none of you pay your taxes...get a better economy going and then you can complain about shitty wages

>>132754079
Fuck dude... the Slavic cuties on chaterbate must be rocking Bentleys and living in the commieblock penthouse equivalent

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>>132762157
hans get ze flamethrower

>>132752564
Middle class is like 100k a year for a family in Illinois