>greeks are turks >turks are greeks Which one is it /pol/

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>>132749479
They're not Greek. They're Anatolian mutts. Their closest genetic cousin are Armenians, who they shoahed ironically.

>>132749870
Erdogan says
>DELEET THHSI

theyre all shitskins

A lot of shore-turks are muslimized byzantines(who were mostly greeks with minorities of slavs,syrians and armenians),however as you investigate more of the central and inner turkey you'll find more and more different races and cultures,cappadocians,assyrians,lazids,pontics,turkomans,kurds,tatars,kazakhs etc.most of them are turkic races but a lot of them are indoeuropeans or semitic also.
As for the greeks I believe there was big race mixing with slavic,bulgarian and albanian races than with the ottoman conquerors who didnt settled massively on the greek peninsula as much as other balkan races

>>132749479
greek is an ethnicity turk (and fyromian) isnt
there were 72 ethicities in anatolia without counting any rape babies

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>>132751723
>and fyromian isn't
WE WUZ KANGZ AN SHIEET

>>132752319
Says the bulgarian,dobar den

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>>132752707
the slav rape baby is learning the language of his masters

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>>132749479
"turks" are african

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>>132753197
hello there reddit

>>132753063
Wow some mountain ranges were slavic I guess all Greeks are slavic rape babies huh lets see those haplogroups!

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>>132752319
>>132753063
even your fake country's name is Hellenic
talking about some lsd experience you're having there

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>>132753392
>halpogroups
greeks are niggers
macedonians are based descendants of Alexander

>>132753742
>fake country
>not realising he is Turkey2.0

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>>132753787
We always were though
You can be white all you want, you got nothing to show for it anyway.

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>>132753787
Greeks can't say that but you can?
easy there on the lsd buddy

>>132753863
my country exists long before Turkey, on the same land
PUT THAT LSD BOTTLE DOWN

>>132753063
Im half greek half bulgarian just like you are 100% bulgarian.

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>>132754061
>modern "greeks" are the same as ancient greeks
Modern greeks were proto europeans, not turkish mutts, they resemble us more than you
>You can be white all you want, you got nothing to show for it anyway.
t.nigger-turk in denial

>>132753863
i give your country 10 years to dissapear from the map

>>132754311
>i'm half white mongrel, i'm white!!!!
>>132754228
>>132754130
Look at the map you autist,
greece grey+light greek=not white, aka turk rape babies
>my country exists long before Turkey
As i said modern greeks are not ancient greeks, you were raped by turks and whatnot, your linege can be traced back to africa (grey color), the ancient greeks were not from africa, they were proto europeans (light blue)

>>132749870
>Only decent reply in the thread that isn't part of a retarded Balkans racial argument

How about you guys focus on the Turks instead of pointless WEWUZing

I am greek

>>132754460
just like your greek blood disappeared by the turks raping and spreading their seed in greece
Nonetheless, we will still be white, just like the ancient macedonians and greeks

>>132754979
>implying greeks are not turks

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>>132749479
None of them. They are mixed with each other and hence pretty close genetically speaking.

The think is that some western anatolians are more greek than some greeks, and some greeks are more turkish than some western anatolians.

>>132755138
WE WUZ GREEKS N SHIEEET

>>132754430
Nonsense.

Proto-greeks (mycenaeans) were less "european" than modern greeks, if using that term makes any sense.

It was the successive waves of migration from the north what made Greece more "European", the mix of proto-indo europeans with local tribes. The result was the prevalent racial type in classical antiquity. Which of course changed during historical times, but not that much as people think.

Same could be said for almost everywhere in southern europe.

>>132754430
"proto europeans"
even the continent name is Greek, you know Europa?
your fake country offered literally nothing to western civilisation, you only try to steal history
you believe you are the descendants of Alexander, it can't get more delusional and in denial than that
another quality thread made in "Macedonia"
you so successful at trolling

>>132749479
Our language is the original ancient greek while yours is.... deal with it none gives a fuck about your piece of shit land.

>>132751723
>72 ethicities in anatolia

I was some PKK supporters saying the same thing but I can't seem to find the full list.

>>132754929
You ignorant piece of shit,grey E1b1 is referred also to proto greeks,myceneans ans pelasgic people you dumbass

>>132755884
They have a cool flag though.

>>132749479
macedonians are greeko-turks?

>>132755997
Cause myceneans wouldn't be considered european by anyone here.

>>132754929
we are not ancient Greeks (i never claimed we are) but you are, you are the descendants of Alexander, right? right.
you are so fuckin stupid i'm gonna gtfo you don't worth another keystroke

>>132755938
As I recall,72 is the number for all minorities in turkey,national,cultural,linguistic,religious etc
According to the size and the historical background of your country the number seems legit

>>132756023
that's a rip-off jap flag

>>132749479
FYROM-ians are bulgarians

>>132755138

C'mon now.

Even if Greeks are a bit mixed, they are obviously still Greeks, and they are far above the rest of the people in the Balkans.

I honestly can't fathom how someone from a country like yours can show this kind of disrespect to them. You are literally Bulgars who took a Greek name like Macedonia while you are some kind of Slavic-Turkic mix. It makes no sense to me how you can type the shit that you do without being ironic.

Like you literally call your country Macedonia and speak a Slavic language? Explain how any of that makes sense.

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>>132756423
>>132756023

>>132756546
And 25% Albanians and rising,

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>>132755884
>turks offering anything to western civilization
>>132755924
>original ancient greek
even if ancient macedonian and the macedonian language is not similar, we still share the same blood.
>pic related light haired ancient macedonians
How many light haired people are there in Greece?

>>132756691
Sheeeit, we should intervene there and save the Balkans from alb-roaches

>>132756787
small dicks tbqh

>>132756193
Any east-med neolithic civilisation would not be considered "white" by the 4chan larpers,regardless or not the fact that these civs (egyptians,protogreeks,babylonians,assyrians etc) were the lightbringers of human civil and tech evolution

>>132756691
>The Aračinovo crisis is considered to be the turning point in the conflict, and one of its most controversial events.

On 12 June 2001, a group of several hundred NLA insurgents took control of the ethnically-mixed village of Aračinovo, located just 8 kilometres from the edge of the capital Skopje.[63] The commander of the NLA forces in Aračinovo, Komandant Hoxha, warned that unless the army ceased its attacks, the insurgents would target strategic positions in Skopje, including "the airport, oil refineries, police stations in towns and other government installations". Komandant Hoxha told journalists that his men have 120 mm mortars, and that:

"I will start attacking police stations and the airport, the government and parliament – everything I can with our 120mm mortars".[72]

According to Hoxha, the insurgents' key demand was to be included in talks on the country's constitutional future – something explicitly ruled out by the government.

cont

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Posting the superior greek flag

Gurks are Treeks

>>132757102
The seizure of Aračinovo triggered a further exodus of residents, many of whom fled north to neighbouring Kosovo.[63] The Macedonian Government did not respond officially to the NLA ultimatum, but reports said it had increased security around key facilities.[63]

The Aračinovo crisis triggered ever stronger diplomatic pressure on the Macedonian government, from NATO and the EU, for a political resolution of the conflict.[73] The attention that the Aračinovo crisis attracted was so great that NATO Secretary-General George Robertson, and the European Union security chief Javier Solana, visited Macedonia to bolster efforts for a political solution to the conflict.[74] The crisis also widened the divide within the government on the matter of the approach toward resolving the conflict. The Prime Minister and the Minister of Interior were in favour of a continuation of the successful offensives from March and May 2001, whereas the President was pushing for a political solution.[73]

During his meeting with Solana, President Trajkovski promised to resolve the Aračinovo crisis with political dialog. However, after several meetings of the "Coordinative body for the resolution of the crisis", as well as with the "Command for the defence of the City of Skopje", on 18 June it was decided to execute a military operation to destroy the NLA in Aračinovo. The plan was prepared by General Pande Petrovski, and was to be conducted by both police and infantry with the artillery and air support of the army.[70] The representatives of NATO in Macedonia were not informed of the decision.

tldr; (((NATO))) forced us to accept albanians as a cultural minority, thus enriching us, instead of killing them

>>132756546
show us your flag you retarded larper

Slavs in macedonia mixed with Paenoians and Ancient macedonians, while in Bulgaria they mixed with Thracians. We are similar to some extent, but not fully

>>132756865
Fyro"m" is a soros puppet state,only solution is the partition of this country to greek,serbian and bulgarian parts

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what they dont want you to know: cretans are the most powerful race in the world

just came back from holiday in greece.
people are really nice, and their woman are hot af.
can't compare them to subhuman turks.

fun story: i didn't see a single headscarf/burka in 10 days.
back in germany, just left the plane, the first thing i fucking see 3 headscarfes. lol.

>>132757442
i will show you my flag if you prove me your history

>>132753377
>>132753392
>>132753742
>>132754061
You idiots still don't understand that moving borders endlessly means you're the same fucking people with 2 languages

I've never seen two garbage countries fight more

>>132757639
i had the same experience, only thing greece does right

>>132757639
>and their woman are hot af.

Be a young guy in a beach and all women will look hot af.

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>>132757124
>Posting the superior greek flag

As great as it is, something about the Greek/Byzantine double-headed eagle flag draws so many other Orthodox countries to use it.

>>132757792
This is a balkan post,leafs not welcomed

>>132757792
>garbage countries

Says a fucking leaf.

>>132757920
*if you have low standards.

>>132758086
T assmad Greek

>>132753197
Faggot

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>>132752319
just shut up alread you decrepit moron, which bulgar larps as the son of alexander the great ?

skopje : we was kangs > nope, you were never

>>132753063
leka nost detsa , circus freak

>>132753787
>macedonians are based descendants of Alexander

keep dreamin, plus your chart is not read accurate as the e series are the most ancient, like greeks and spread everywhere greeks went, in africa and the ME

>>132754430
nope , no moingol genes in greece , wtf are spokje mongrels that fucked in the head ?

>>132754929
you said wrong, you're not a descendant of Alkexander the Grreat
>but I am
you're not you stupid cunt, why don't you speak greek, like the greeks do ?
>uhh tduhh because uhh
exactly

>>132755138
the only one raped by turks is your head and your province

>>132755279
you see ancient greek type faces in greece, you don't see them in turkey, you see some albanian and slav faces in greece cause they moved in in times of chaos.

>>132755752
myceneans were full greek, the minoans were less greek than mainland but they still spoke greek , so ?

>>132758194
Keep talking shit and I will report you to your local anti-hate speech police.

>>132756787
>pic related

Haha... you ignorant Bulgar, can you read what is says in the mosaic?
ΓΝΩΣΙΣ ΕΠΟΗΣΕΝ
What do either words mean in your Monkeydonian language?

>>132756636
Ancient macedonians are not ethnically the same as ancient greeks.
Ancient macedonians,came from the territories around the Danube and settled north of Greece
They were blond and blue eyed, more lighter than the average ancient greek
At first, macedonians were regarded as barbarians
Amyntas III of Macedon was the first Macedonian king which was accepted to participate in the Olympics, which were reserved only for fully greeks, a diplomatic action to made macedonians more alligned with greece, which were their only hope for protection agains the persians
He made a lot of progress at Hellenising macedonia, particulary the nobility
Soon after his followed Philliph II, father of alexander, half greek half Lyncestian, which defeated the greek cities and formed the hellenic league
He married Olympias of Epirus, Alexander's mother
Therefore, the ancient macedonians were not greek, Alexander was 1/4 ancient macedonian 1/4 lyncestian 1/2 epirean

>>132758129
Testosterone can make you see things you wouldn't believe.

>>132758564
BИE CTE ,,TATAPИ'', КATO БЪЛГAPИTE

>>132758194
>T assmad Greek

Mad about what a stupid canuk has to say, while his irrelevant country is being colonized by subhumans? Sure buddy...

>>132749479
Turks are roaches
Greeks are humans

>>132758271
source: your ass

>>132758697
>бyгapи
>тaтapи
Ancient (proto-) Bulgarians have long been thought of as a Turkic population. However, evidence found in the past three decades shows that this is not the case. Until now, this evidence has not included ancient mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) analysis. To fill this void, we collected human remains from the 8th to the 10th century AD located in three necropolises in Bulgaria: Nojarevo (Silistra region) and Monastery of Mostich (Shumen region), both in northeastern Bulgaria, and Tuhovishte (Satovcha region) in southwestern Bulgaria. The phylogenetic analysis of 13 ancient DNA samples (extracted from teeth) identified 12 independent haplotypes, which we further classified into mtDNA haplogroups found in present-day European and western Eurasian populations. Our results suggest a western Eurasian matrilineal origin for proto-Bulgarians, as well as a genetic similarity between proto- and modern Bulgarians. Our future work will provide additional data that will further clarify proto-Bulgarian origins, thereby adding new clues to the current understanding of European genetic evolution.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.13110/humanbiology.87.1.0019

Is Macedonia A FUCKING SUN of /balk/?

>>132749479
turks are greeks raped by arabs

>>132758564
>Alexander was 1/4 ancient macedonian 1/4 lyncestian 1/2 epirean

So Alex the Great was "only" 3/4 Greek? Or are you going to claim that the Molossians (in Lynkestis/Epirus) were not Greek?
So what language did the non-nobles speak? Which Gods did they worship? Was Aristotle Greek and/or Macedonian?

If the Macedonians were not Greek, how come the Jews blame the Greeks alone on Hannukah?

Besides being confused about your ethnicity, are you also ambiguous about your sexuality?

>>132749479
(you)

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>>132755202
>>132751723

>>132760164
>Demosthenes... philosopher

He was an Athenian politician you uneducated clown. Calling your opponents barbarians was common:
>However the ultimate proof of Greek tribes being called ‘barbarians is coming from Athenaios Deipnosophistes where Stratonicus the harp-player was asked “πότερα Βοιωτοί βαρβαρώτεροι…ή θετταλοί, Ηλείους έφησεν” meaning “who were the greatest Barbarians, the Boeotians or the Thessalians” and he replied “the Eleans“.

http://history-of-macedonia.com/2010/03/27/ancient-macedonians-greeks-or-barbarians/

>>132759192
>>132758564
You're full of shit like all your artificial compatriotes , noone will ever believe your shit because it's unbelievable
>Amyntas III of Macedon was the first Macedonian king which was accepted to participate ...
This is what you don't get , Alexander , Phillip , Amyntas , Argyraspide, Haeteric cavalry , all these names and words are Greek, do you understand , Epirus , greek too, 'Olympias' Greek too, you're so lost in your unsustainable bulshitting you really are circus material.
If you become a nations of clowns people will pay to see you .

>ALEXANDER, PHILLIP, AMYNTAS, PERDIKAS, EURYDICE, ANTIPATER are not from some danube tribe you pseudoslav trashcan , these are Greek names

DEAL with IT.

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>>132753787
who the fuck keeps making these meme haplogroup maps?
>ancestral Eurasian
>mediterraneans
>northern-southwest-asians

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>>132759762
turks got asimilated

>>132749479
I understand the confusion because they're both really gross, but you can tell a turk by the fact tht it is smaller than a dollar bill, has antennae/feelers and lays nearly a hundred eggs in one birth cycle!
nature is awesome

>>132760934
It makes sense if you put it in context.

It is not clear if R1b is indo-european or not.

>>132760775
Roman historian Titus Livius describes Greeks and Macedonians as separate peoples in his book "Ab urbe condita"

>>132761186
Roman historians tend to exaggerate or plainly make up things when talking about how a tribe looks.

>>132760775
The most famous Ancient Greek geographer, Strabos, also once claimed that Thessaly was the northernmost Greek settlement.

>>132760779
>So what language did the non-nobles speak? Which Gods did they worship? Was Aristotle Greek and/or Macedonian?
Ancinet macedonian gods and language
Aristotle was greek
>>132760779
even if they were greek culturally, they weren't greek by blood

>>132761186
>Roman historian Titus Livius

Titus Livius:
"Aetolians, Acarnanians, Macedonians, men of the same language..."
(T. Livius XXXI,29, 15)

You're free to provide a reference to your claim just like I did.

>>132758415
*debt intensifies*

>>132761179
not that much, R1b is not ancestral to "Eurasians" in any way or shape, at best is old for west Eurasians since it was indeed already in mesolithic Balkans, Italy and Latvia, but the R1b present in Europe nowadays is almost exclusively R1b-M269, the same as the Yamnaya people, more basal clades are almost non-existent

then, calling E1b1b "mediterranean" is also a stretch given that the earliest med stocks in Europe were almost chiefly G2a

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>>132749479
Neither, Turks are roaches.

>>132761418
>Ancinet macedonian gods and language

PROOF?! Anything at all, written, statues, names, etc.
They obviously had no problem writing in Greek, using Greek names, honoring Greek Gods, claiming to unify Greek and exact revenge on the Persians, etc.
There must be some clear evidence of this "Ancinet macedonian gods and language". LOL

ok

>>132761907
they were hellenised, and macedonian authors did not want to write about their "barbarous" past, they wanted to be considered fully greek. And even if it was something written, later hellenized king would get rid of any books documenting that

>>132755083
Come home my white brother.

What people usually dont know about Greece was that under 400 years of ottoman rule, the first half was pretty lax, turkish governors (passas) were stationed at central cities to collect taxes to sent to the emperor. Those were good times. The governors had fun eating and drinking and the people were well fed and protected. Race mixing : non existant. Then the turkish nationalism happened. These where bad times. Turkish settled in bigger cities to further control and exort the citizens. This led to a poorer and oppressed Greek penisula. Race mixing. Very low. Why very low you ask? Marriage between muslim and christian was considered taboo by both religions. People avoided them at all costs. "but what if they were in love?" this is not hollywood fucktard. But what happened to the turks in Greece after liberation? Easy question. Population exchange between Greece and Turkey at 1923. Look it up faggots. As for fyrom, just a pathetic bunch trying to be relevant. Slavs arrived in the balkans at 400-500 ac, Macedonians were a Greek race speaking and acting Greek at 500+ bc, this literally makes no sense. You have to be a retard to believe that macedonians were slavs.

>>132760775
Southern Greek city stated often viewed the agrarian and monarchic macedonian way of life barbarian.Back these days macedonia was a big farm land ruled by Lords under the King in Pella,something like Rohan in Lotr,in contrary southern greeks lived in commerce cities and big towns,like Gondor I.e., while farming and agriculture was a duty left to the slaves.
Also macedonia due to the geographical distance and the agrarian model didnt participate to the classical golden age as much as athens or other cities.
So,in political terms of course southern greeks viewed macedonians as barbarians.
In racial terms,the house of Alexander,the argeades(from Argos translated) had common bloodline with the other doric races that settled argos peninsula,aegean islands,sparta,doris,magnesia and creta

>>132762203
Very nice imagination you have my bulgarian friend

>>132762401
This. Spartans and Macedons were both Doriis tribe, every historian knows that. Same people. Spartans are Greek, therefore Macedonians are Greek. There is no denying it

>>132761630
>calling E1b1b "mediterranean" is also a stretch given that the earliest med stocks in Europe were almost chiefly G2a

I didn't know about that. Source?

>>132762304
>Macedonians were a Greek race
> were a Greek race
> a Greek race
ancient macedonians were white, lighter, blond and blue eyed, greeks were darker, they were hellenised, therefore not a drop of ancient macedonian blood runs in your veins.
The slavs is macedonia mixed with the Ancient macedonians and Paeonians, therefore we have more of their blood

>>132762737
I wonder what will you do when you realise the bullshit you have been fed tk believe all your life. Will you fall into depression and denial or will you simply killyourself? If an hero post video

>>132749479

Ancient Greeks were Mediterranean master race. Current Greeks are mongrels and rape babies that may as well be Turkroaches.

>>132762401
>argos
that does not have anything to do with your city, translated into ancient macedonian, it means "flat land" or "plains", reflecting the relief of the land

>>132762920
>provides no source

>>132762735
Eupedia has a fairly updated page on ancient DNA
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/ancient_european_dna.shtml#Neolithic
it is not updated with the very latest data from the Balkans but basically they found once again a shitloads of G2a

notice how G2a dominates neolithic Europe, and those neolithic Europeans were basically the very early mediterranean race which constitutes most of the ancestry of Iberians, north Italians and Sardinians in particular

>>132753197 ok

>>132763050
What source do you need? Literally every book on ancient Greece that refers Macedonians states they were a Greek tribe.

The Balkans and Turkey were always third world shitholes and rodent-tier mutts ever since their creation. And they will be like that until the day they're nuked off the planet. While Slavs,Germanics and Meds were creating civilizations. Balkaniggers and Turkshits were the ones actually living in caves and eating rat shit daily. They were more primitive then Nordics. It wasn't until their more evolved cousins started invading their lands is when they slowly gain their own shitty civilizations.

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>>132761418

how did they become Greek, magically? why were the Thracians not also Greek , and kept their own languages names and traditions ?

> Because unlike their eastern neighbour, Macedonians were Greeks, still gypsies by Athenian standards , but so are you, gypsies , here's a common point you have with Ancient Macedon.

>>132762991
>that does not have anything to do with your city, translated into ancient macedonian, it means "flat land" or "plains", reflecting the relief of the land.

Try """""Ancient Greek""""" you decrepit butthurt retard , what language you think Macedonian was.

>>132749479
Both. They're basically one people at this point.

>>132763180
>literally every book
Arthur Weigall- Alexander the Great.
You should read it

Also,
Who resembles more the Anglo-Saxons:
>the blacks in the US who speak a similar language
>the germans which they have some common blood

Who resembles more the Ancient Macedonians:
>the modern Greeks who speak a similar language
>the Macedonian slavs which they have some common blood

>>132763582
Are you or are you not a slav? Speaking slavic, slavic customs and looks?

>>132755938
ottomans, turkmen, laz, syrian, albanian, bosnian, roma, armenians, greeks, kurds, jews, coptic, latin, cappadocians, pomaks, georgians, anzarites, yuruk, qizilbas, zeybeks, persians and a lot more

>>132763313
the macedonian rulers and nobility had close ties to Athens and they admired the Athenian culture, which with time also became dominant in Macedona.

>A family under the name "Hellenic" has been suggested to group together Greek proper and the ancient Macedonian language, which is barely attested and whose degree of relatedness to Greek is not well known. The suggestion of a "Hellenic" group with two branches, in this context, represents the idea that Macedonian was not simply a dialect within Greek but a "sibling language" outside the group of Greek varieties proper.[6][8] Other approaches include Macedonian as a dialect of Greek proper or as an unclassified Paleo-Balkan language.[9]

>>132762737
You are saying that Bulgarians of FYROM are descendants of ancient Macedonians. Vast majority of Macedonian cities however were located in the area of modern Greece.
Did they have mass exodus and moved into north for some reason?

>>132749479
greeks are turks
turks are roaches

>>132763703
The macedonian ethnicity primaraly consists of 70% slavized Paeonians, proto balkan people and 30% of thracians,illyrians, slavs, but mainly Ancient macedonians

>>132764013
they intermixed with slavs, like dacians,thracians, illyrians,paeonians, and greeks to some extent

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>>132764195
What albanians are?

>>132764315
>>132764013
during the roman era, anceint macedonians were romanized, creating the modern day Vlachs, which many of them later in the 8century intermixed with slavs

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>>132764315
What about this macedonian man? Can you racially classify him? Is this what you mean when you talk about "slavized Paeonians"?

Looks like your average gypsy for me.

Turks did their own ethnic cleansing of Greeks so I imagine they don't like being considered the same.

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>>132763582
you dont have a point, you're a charlatan, now you postulate Macedonians were inhouse kept niggers , get the hell out of here

>>132763971
that's your invention to keep on larping as a different people, you have NOTHING in common with Macedon except the fact you migrated to the same region 1100 after Macedon's hay day .

You can try again and again and your charade won't pass , I pity the Greeks who are trying to reason with an imposter, do they not know you will just keep lying ?

>You can't read a word from that coin, can you ?

Just get the hell outta here you too you insignificant history-grabbing scum.

>>132764334
illyrians and little slavs, which later, during the ottoman era mixed with muslims(turks,arabs) because it wasn't brohibited by their religion

>>132764641
At least they have their own language , where's yours ? You don't have any cause you're not one of them indigenous people like Alboroch and Greex.

>>132764636
cry some more you turkic greek
Ancient macedonians have never been fully integrated in the greek culture, during the roman occupation, they were romanized, crating the modern day Vlachs, which the majority of them intermixed with slavs during their invasion of Macedonia

>>132749479
Turks....are...

on the wrong side of the med

>>132756787
You share more of a same blood with bulgarians and serbs than with the greek race... pls deal with it.
Language is fundamental when it comes to defining a race...

>>132764939
Shut up bulgarian reject, I'm French and no one in my country or the rest of europe believes yoour old wives tales you spin to get an identity, you are literally nobody, that's why Bulgaria gives freely its passports to your degenerate golden toilet land, to redeem you .

>>132764195
>macedonian ethnicity primaraly consists of

Former president Kiro Gligorov in the Toronto Star on March 15, 1992 said: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD)."

kek

>>132765228
>greek race... pls deal with
ancient macedonians were not greek by blood pls look at the posts above

>>132765497
>Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD)."
which mixed with the natives, most of them being ancient macedonians

>>132765369
>the rest of europe
Who cares about the rest of Europe?
The truth stands, they will believe what suits their agenda. Now go away before i report your to the anti-racist police and make way for the new "Black muslim ancient frenchmen"

>>132764939
>they were romanized

How ignorant are you, Bulgar? You're ignoring more than 1000 years of history where "romanized" Macedonia was one of the most important centers of Greek culture. Thessaloniki was the 2nd largest city following Constantinople for centuries. Everything about that period is Greek, not one trace of Monkeydonian.

>>132765580
Nigger the entire macedonian history recides in the real macedonia, accept the fact that you are a slav and be proud of it bitch.

>>132765909

Read it again Bulgar:
"We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. "
That's your former president saying it.

>>132765580
YOU are not Macedonian, look at the posts yourself , when Macedonians were in Macedonia in 300 bc, slaves were the Kievan Rus and not even, they descended in 700 AD, you're literally a transplant turned a culturally cancerous outgrowth.

>>132765909
More decrepit nonsense by a an imposter, forget ever joining the EU, if every single one of you is a dishonest liar with no real identity you are worse than Musulmans, at least they know who they are.

>>132766070
there you go, finally.

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>>132765965
pic related is proto slavic
we all do not have blond hair or are dolichomorphic, which is the influence of paeonians and anceint macedonians. We are not fully slavic and share a significant percentage of anciant macedonian blood

>>132765923
pls elaborate amerifat

>>132766070
it's the only logical conclusion, the natives were not slaughtered

>>132766245
>300bc ancient macedonians are hellenised, though they are regarded as a different people
>168 bc rome conquers macedonia and the ancient macedonian are subjected to romanization, people which will later be know as the Vlachs/ Aromanians. The Vlachs compose an union of romanized proto balkans (Thracians, Ancient Mac.,Paeonians)
>VIII century slavs invade the balkans, the population north of Greece is romanized, and the Slavs intermix with these people, accepting their religion (christianity)
>Bulgarians, a mongolic tribe arrives at Thracia, present day bulgaria, and mixes with the severians and the Seven slavic tribes in northern bulgaria, effectively becoming one of them, as they were outnumbered greatly. Only the Khans remained somewhat mongolic

>forget ever joining the EU
is this bad?

>>132766678
>pls elaborate amerifat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki#Byzantine_era_and_Middle_Ages

2nd largest Greek city for 1000+ years. You're free to provide evidence on how they were "romanized".

>>132767693
cant reason with you fuckers can you
> no because you are holding a lie in your hands and need to continuously lie to keep it in place, such is the beauty of truth , she floats on her own

>300bc ancient macedonians are hellenised, though they are regarded as a different people

no, there is no such proof anywhere if you look at Ancient Macedonian language it's a heavily nuanced dialogue of Greek, but so is Doric , what we call Greek today is just the Ionian version (Agean Islands version) . No remnants of another language, no double toponomies , no Nothing . It's Northern IndoEuropean Greek . What doesn't fit in there is YOU . You were 1000 years late and a completely unrelated people, cashing in on Ancient Greece the last 25 years . I don't see where YOU fit in there with the Greeks. You are irrelated . Enough of this charade you fucking liars. Sort yourself up and stop looting your neighbors. You're a disgrace to world history . and that's the end of it .

>Just get the hell out of here , your country is becoming the meme for being a ridiculous crook.

>>132768147
After the roman invasion of Macedonia and Illyria in 168bc, the greeks were able to keep using their language, but the ancient macedonians were not allowed to use greek, because the romans regarded them as a separate people, because they were different from greeks (blond hair,blue eyes) therefore they became subject romanization, along with the thracians and paeonians, they became known as Vlach, which spead out beyond the greek macedonia( southern Bulgaria, Republic of Macedonia, parts of Albania and Serbia. They comprised the majority of population in these areas, until the Slavs invaded. The slavs: Draguvity, Vayunity, Strymonity and especially the Berezity (this tribes were exclusively to macedonia NOT BULGARIA) which most of modern macedonian population is from, heavily intermixed with the vlachs, the only vlachs that kept their culture to this day fled to the pindus

>>132769055
they were different idiot, are the blacks and the whites is US the same because they have speak the same language. The greeks were mediterranean, while the anceint macedonians were blond and whiter. I don't say we are 100% ancient macedonian, but we intermixed with them, and have the highest percentage of ancient macedonian blood. Before Amintas III Anc. maced. were considered barbarians and not greek
read Alexander the Great from Arthur Weigall

i have no more time arguing with you, do your own research before yelling "Slavs!!!!!" "Slavs!!!!!" "Slavs!!!!!"

We're all fucking Turks

t. Armenian

>>132769449

Are you larping or just retarded? So the Macedonians were first "Hellenized" even they they occupied the totally unrelated Greeks. Then they switched and became Vlachs. Then most of them switched and became Slavs. And now after all that switching, their legitimate off springs come to claim that they are the legitimate heirs of Macedonia!

You can't possibly be this retarded.

>>132770204
>Arthur Weigall
the Spartans too were different, they had an oligarchy, the Thebans too were different, they had a monarchy , The Minoans too were different , they had a priestly class , The Greeks are a mix of indigenous so-called Pelasgian tribes and Doric descenders, just because an obsure egyptologist wrote his theories doesnt mean it's true so did Faltermeier and threw all of southern europe in the bin as subhumans, you have no points because you are basing your edifice on a lie, I know it, you know it , and everybody knows it .

>>132770204
good riddings, I actually like science and have done my research and you have no answer to : Slavs.

>>132770319
I ain't fucking any Turk, too hairy for my tastes desu.