Climatetards BTFO

>this thread will go unnoticed because muh cnn

>>132744925
well you noticed it, so that's something.

tfw Dr Ball lives in my city and I've run into him many times. Mann BTFO

>>132745993
Compliment him on his work.

>>132743983
Have a bump. This is bigger than climate gate.

>>132744925
>>132745993

Hope Mann goes to Jail over this.

>>132746382
Yes it is.

That the MSM ignores it speaks volumes.

>>132746382
This is effectively kicking the bucket underneath the current scheme for one world gouvernment.
Carbon taxes were meant to be the need it fulfills.
Without that, there's no point in one world gouvernment.

They'll pull every trick in and out of the book.

>>132744925
https://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/the-tragic-tautology-of-the-greenhouse-gas-effect/
After wasting my time reading that site and it's about page, I found the moron who runs this site.

The language he uses sounds like a douche that thinks he sounds smart using gaudy language, but really sounds like a moron. Cherry picking one favorable scientist who's sole accomplishment is disagreeing with consensus opinion is not science.

I don't think global warming is the fear mongering threat that it's made out to be, but anyone who says it doesn't exist and isn't human caused is a contrarian tool, which most of /pol/ is.

>>132746529
The MSM can't pick it up. They toe the line on every green initiative and narrative, which is predicated on the hockey stick graph being accurate. They'd have to admit they were wrong about all of it, to include the scare mongering after Trump's withdrawal from the Paris Agreement. It would be so detrimental to their credibility that some of the major outlets would likely go under.

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>>132743983

why do people keep posting these models when the real temperature measured through the years is available. Anyone can see the climate tax is kikery

>>132747091

So 'what degree' is humans part in the grand scheme of things?

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>>132747199

Up you go

>>132743983
Nothing in that article actually talks about CO2 and methane or any science, all it does is attack the character of scientist over a 27-year old graph.

Climate denial is still just a conspiracy theory

>>132747788

t. Green energy investor

>>132747788
The scientist in question refused to turn over his data in contempt of court, but no it's totally all on the up and up.

>>132747126
exactly.

>>132748001
so science hey.

so open, much peer review

>>132743983
Pretty good info mate. It doesn't explicitly disprove Climate Change, but it does disprove one of its leading scientists. Actually, not only disproving but showing the idiot faked his own data in order to push an agenda. Good step here but overall I think it's going to be impossible to disprove the climate change (((scientists))) due to their funding and censorship.

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Top: The total daily contribution to the surface mass balance from the entire ice sheet (blue line, Gt/day). Bottom: The accumulated surface mass balance from September 1st to now (blue line, Gt) and the season 2011-12 (red) which had very high summer melt in Greenland. For comparison, the mean curve from the period 1981-2010 is shown (dark grey). The same calendar day in each of the 30 years (in the period 1981-2010) will have its own value. These differences from year to year are illustrated by the light grey band. For each calendar day, however, the lowest and highest values of the 30 years have been left out.

>>132747788

Are you saying people deny there is a climate? What sorta ludicrous talk is this? You, like others, don't seem to get that it's not denying 'something' is happening... but 'why' that something is happening is the debate.

>hurrdurr... muh 100% man made climate

>>132747091
Hm so you're a retard. Sad. The only reason the global warming hoax exists is to justify carbon taxes and world government. The ONLY solution to pollution is population reduction yet the globalist niggers are trying to grow the population with high-pollution third world scum. Given that fact it's clearly a scam and they know it too

>>132747788
KYS you globalist cuck

Mann is such a weasel, these treasonous fucks are in all levels of our societies though and I can't see how we can be rid of them without bloodshed.

>>132747788
Vostok ice core research: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html

In essence, though there is a correlation between a rise in temperatures and carbon, there is no causation.

>>132748798
Meme warfare.

Humour is more effective than bloodshed though.

>>132748823
Rises in CO2 lag temperature rises, it's a effect not a cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJHMGM1qHDU

this guy lays out the whole scam really well.

>>132747091
tripfag and
>global warming
>anyone who says it doesn't exist and isn't human caused is a contrarian tool
global warming doesn't exist as the phrase describes nothing beyond a meme someone came up with to literally sell carbon to idiots. climate change, however, does exist because the climate is in a constant state of change. neither "global warming" or general climate change of this is remotely close to the actual issue human impact on the climate (in either direction), ya dumb fuck. maybe you meant something else?

I bet mummy thought you were a smart little boy. kek

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/

EXCLUSIVE: Study Finds Temperature Adjustments Account For ‘Nearly All Of The Warming’ In Climate Data

>>132749134
Yep.

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We need to redpill all nogs on climate change with memes on nog Twitter and facebook

>Tfw climate policies kill nog jobs
>Tfw carbon tax is viewed as racist
>Tfw it's racist to disagree with the nogs

>>132749513
Hey retard the direction of gravity is towards the centre of mass of an object.

>>132743983
Is there any way to confirm this? I'm unfamiliar with either one of the scientists work and my Google searches don't come up with anything

>>132749778
Pic unrelated now get back to dicking kangaroos or red pill some nogs

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>>132749778

>>132747091
ad hominem is the wokest form of argumentation

>>132747091
Thanks for taking the time to check this out.
All the autists disagreeing with you just have confirmation bias

>>132749513
lmao somebody went through the trouble to draw that bait

>>132743983

Please let this be a huge thing instead of something that gets swept under the rug.

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>>132743983
Is it enough to silence this faggot once and for all though ausbro? He often shills about this shit in his videos.

>>132750747
Let meme magic make it so!

>>132750804
Who is that faggot?

Fucking Idiots, first consider the second graph is ONLY considering EUROPE. And then also consider that Michael Mann has it relative to 1960-1990 while Tim Ball has a line for the average of the entire 20th Century. These graphs have different baselines and so would obviously look different, plus different geographically locations.

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>>132745993
>>132746421

too bad the MBH study has been replicated by a dozen more studies, using a wealth of different proxies from locations all around the globe

>>132751730
Then why would he feel the need to be in contempt of court rather than reveal his data?

>>132751775
You are missing the point

this is a court case and he is willing to risk criminal charges and potential jail time rather than reveal his data.

That is not science.

>>132743983
you didn't even archive.is it?

>>132752084
you can easily look up their data in both the original 1998 paper and the supplementary material (where the 'hockey stick' graphic comes from) by Michael Mann, Malcolm Hughes and Raymond Bradley

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v392/n6678/abs/392779a0.html

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>>132743983
ooh! dis be big

>>132752197
It'll be in the court records.

You can archive it if you like.

>>132752481
Yep, bigger than climategate, or should be at least.

>>132752197
>>132743983
THAAAANKS

http://archive.is/j5mDE

>>132743983
I'm interested:
in what journal can was this Tim Ball reconstruction published?

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>>132743983
Alright, keep sucking Saudi and Russian cock for oil and gas while the rest of the world converts to renewable.

>>132752309
Can't see that because you have to pay for it. Are you 100% sure that it contains the actual DATA? Because that's unusual. Usually they only publish the stats done *to* the data (i.e graphs and tables etc), not the raw data itself.

If it already was publically available, why can't the counrt find it, nor Mann provide it for them?

>>132752773
you're an idiot. "renewables" entirely depend on the supply of rare earths from china to build enormous battery arrays anyway.

if you want to be energy independent you use nuclear.

>>132752773
Oh look, the shills are gathering.

Hit a nerve?

Need some preparation H

last chance to get on the right side of history and avoid embarrassment when all your friends have woken up.

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>>132747091
the world appreciates your bump

>>132749092
I bet yours are real proud too, being able to think for yourself by disagreeing with everyone. Climate change denial exists because billions are spent on mouthpieces to say so, just like those you disagree with. Go ahead, link some one off nutter or Koch brothers propagandists.

>>132747336
Wow, well done that completely unfounded and idiotic statement. Very interesting you post that during what is predicted to be the hottest year on record. Which is after the previous hottest year on record, which before that the hottest year on record was before that ... and then before that

Yay, thread made front page!.

Personal first for me.

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>>132752747
has anyone done a study on which papers and authors are now discredited for using mann's (((data)))?

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>>132753143
thorium is the way to go, look in to it

>>132753354
lol,

Billions hey?, got a citation or 3 for that?

and how much funding goes into climate hype? and where does it come from?

>>132750497
I'm not arguing, I'm pointing out stupidity. It's a fact that most of /pol/ is retarded and digests material through memes and propaganda.

>>132753442
>Hottest year on record
>Records started with any kind of accuracy around 1900, at *best*.

>>132753561
Nobody can get funding for that sort of thing, all the money is going to climatards.

>>132753880
do you need funding to do a few searches in a science db?

sounds like 30 min of work if you had access to the db

>>132753076
took me like 3 minutes:
the full paper, outlining their methodology:
http://www.atmosp.physics.utoronto.ca/people/guido/PHY2502/articles/climate-records/Mann_Bradley_Hughes_1998.pdf

the supplementary material, containing the full listing of data and an expanded documentation of methodology
https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/nature/journal/v430/n6995/extref/nature02478-s1.htm

>>132754133
I don't have access to those databases.

I'm just a humble anon at the end of the world.

>>132754149
Maybe you ought to contact Mann's legal team with that then.

>>132753782
But you should understand why the "No Global warming because of 19 year 'pause'" is fucking ridiculous. That isn't how you draw a trend line by excluding alot of the data.

>>132747788
>climate denial is just a conspiracy theory
>much of climate science is based on theoretical knowledge

If anyone is interested. This is a group that is independent from oil and gas and liberal nonsense. There is a website too, but this Playlist will give you a general idea on alternative theories of climate change. Climate Change: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcqdt3LK6d66tMreI4gqIC-

>>132754212
hopefully delingpole or the scientist bloke will get on it

>>132754295
why would I need to contact Mann about his own work?
I should be contacting the people trying to use legal action to get data which available online to anyone since 1998.
And that's even assuming, that it's the MBH98 data they want.

But anyway, can you tell me where and when the scientific article was published, in which Tim Ball presents his reconstruction and outlines his methodology?

>>132754451
The 19 year pause shows that the models predicting where things are going to go (the same models that predict the apocalypse, and why were are bringing in legislation left and right) are trash. They are simply not reflecting reality as they are claiming it to be.

>>132754715
>why would I need to contact Mann about his own work?
a better question is "why would mann refuse to hand over his data if it is pulicly accessible anyway?"

presumably he might face questions on it if he allowed it to be entered, and he is not confident his approach would stand up to scrutiny

>>132754715
No

Nor would I even if I could.

Tell it to the judge if you care so much.

Why would he feel the need to be in contempt of court if his data is so solid hey?

I've asked twice now and got no answer.

>>132754975
I've already asked that twice and got no answer.

>>132743983
LIke im sure they wont try to come up with some other excuse
>breaking news
but whatever

>>132753676
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-industries/
Greenpeace sucks, but the article documents charitable donations through the Koch brothers alone, totaling over 100 million.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/when-will-climate-scientists-say-they-were-wrong
Here's some propaganda from their primary recipient.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html?_r=0

This is just the top of google search, you can dig deeper and find their mouthpieces. Next time you see an article from WSJ or other big paper denying climate change, check the names.
http://rbutr.com/http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
Look up the names of the people who wrote this article, or who finances the organizations they work for.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
half a billion in climate change denial over just 7 years, between 2003 and 2010

This is just off the top of google search. You aren't smart or clever for denying climate change, you aren't taking some 'redpilled' position just because liberals disagree with it, your biting propaganda from the other side. Both sides are full of propaganda, climate change is real, it's caused by humans, and it's not going to destroy the world. Not going to say anymore, you retards aren't even worth bothering with.

>>132755165
Clickbaiters into archive

>https://nytimes com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html?_r=0
https://archive.is/XtTyN

>>132755031
>>132755098
any rational observer would come to the conclusion that he has something to hide

unfortunately there are many irrational observers

>>132755165
>you retards aren't even worth bothering with.
and yet you still bother

thanks for the laughs.

How much funding does the IPCC get BTW? and where does it come from?

And how much public and private research grant money goes into climate "science"?

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>>132755165
>You aren't smart or clever
hehe, he mad, somad

also, he didn't answer about the funding for the alarmist side

>>132743983
So basically we should let poor countries run cheap, reliable coal plants? NICE

>>132755227
You can say that again.

But hey if you can convince people millions were gassed in a room with a wooden door then you can convince them of anything.

>>132755397
if you can filter out the particulates and not pollute water with them then why not?

its over libtards, you lost AGAIN

you literally cant stop losing lmao

>>132755482
oy vey! did zey gass em wiz da co2?

>>132751775
>using a wealth of different proxies from locations all around the globe

Kind of how the NOAA used data from oceans all around the world?

It just so happened those locations were in the vicinity of a shipping barge, who's engines increase the surrounding ocean temperature.

Which accounted for literally all of the "global warming"

You kikes will do anything to obfuscate data

>>132755886
and knowing that you might want to take a look at some other "settled science"

Cosmology and theoretical physics is another whole bunch of Jewish bullshit and costs billions each year in wasted funding.

>>132754975
but it DOES stand up to scrutiny and has so for years, as I point out here >>132751775

take a recent example:
in 2013, the PAGES2K consortium (which consists of ~80 expert authors!) published a major study called
>Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia
in nature geoscience, using 9 different proxies from every continent except Africa. Not only are their results consistent with previous similar studies, but they also found that
>There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age [...]


so you have a very simple and straighforward choice in fron of you:
either you can accept the conclusions of dozens of peer-reviewed studies, from a hundred or so authors, using a variety of different techniques and proxies, over two decades

or you can believe the unpublished opinion of a geography professor.

>>132755031
this was mostly a rethorical question, because there is no such paper

>>132756239
Answer the question.

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>>132755165
>climate change is real, it's caused by humans

>>132756239
wht about the greenland ice cores?

why do you think science is a democracy? is this a combination of the appeal to authority and appeal to populism fallacies?

need I remind you of all the consensus scientific beliefs that were proved wrong?

eat shit, trillions of flies can't be wrong!

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>>132755886
sea surface temperatures aren't measured at a few locations. The ARGO floats that take the direct measurement are distributed homogeneously across the entire world ocean.
And climatologists have already corrected for the bias that is created by ship measurements

>>132756352
re-state it for me please

This was mass delusion from the start, I'm glad I knew this !

>>132752309
So why isn't he revealing it to the court

is it (((mann))) ???

>>132756543
>wht about the greenland ice cores?
what about them?

>is this a combination of the appeal to authority and appeal to populism fallacies?
I hate to answer a question with a question:
Do you think it matters what the preponderance of evidence that has been documented extensively in the scholarly literature says?

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Trump Destroys Carbon Tax Scam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCbFXQEPTlQ

>>132756582
Why would Mann be in contempt of court if he was so confident in his data?

>>132756761
Oh yes indeed.

>>132755382
Yes, he's right you know, Climate Change is real, it's been changing since the beginning, the so called experts are using weather as a way to predict the unpredictable !
It's a religion to the left they have no God !

>>132756711
>>132756801

I haven't got a clue.
My suspicion is that they are actually demanding that he hand out decades of private e-mail correspondence (which is what usually happens) and that's what he is refusing.

But the answer to your question is quite irrelevant, since he obviously is confident enough in his own data to a) publish an entire scientific article about it and b) make the full data archive online to anyone with an internet connection.

I suppose he really does hide behind his own publications

>>132756775
>I hate to answer a question with a question:
that's not an answer!

the greenland ice cores show much warmer temperatures in the past. do you discredit them?

>>132757174
Wow, just wow, that's some pretty severe mental gymnastics you got going there kid.

Hope it pays well cos if you really believe that shit you really need to seek professional help.

>>132751915
I wonder if he and his family are going to fall victim to a tragic """accident""" in the near future.

>>132757259
the point I'm trying to make seems to me to be rather obvious:
do you think it's an argumentum ad verecundiam or an argumentum ad populum, to point out the preponderance of evidence?

>the greenland ice cores show much warmer temperatures in the past
I can beat that:
EVERY proxy that goes back into the geologic past shows warmer temperatures than today.
The argument isn't and has never been, that temperatures now are the highest they've ever been in Earth history.

But I can also tell you this: Paleoclimatologists not only can see how much higher temperatures were in the deep past, they can also look at what caused temperatures to be higher
(hint: greenhouse gases like CO2 are absolutely crucial)

>>132757397
>Guy refuses to show data which he already made available two decades ago and can still be accessed by anyone within 3 minutes of google search

is it mental gymnastics to think of this as a pretty pathetic "scandal"?

>>132757711
Hmmm possible, but I wouldn't think so

The Climate change and hwite guilt has been so deeply programmed into liberals they can't understand the issues or even work out when they lies have been exposed , they just go on repeating the slogans like the sheep in Orwell's Animal Farm

>>132756582
>The ARGO floats

yeah they didn't like the ARGO data because it didn't show any warming so they purposely used flawed data by only selecting areas near large operating ships which raise the surrounding sea temperature by several degrees C.

>>132758011
Then why won't he bring it to court?

round and round we go in a never ending circle of rationalisation and refusal to accept reality

god it must be hard work living in that twisted stupid head of yours.

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>>132752773
We'll be happy to sell you some premium-rate electricity when there's no wind.

Stay cucked, 1PBTID.

Wait, you guys actually think that climate science is all based on that?

>>132758192
>they didn't like the ARGO data
you got the story backwards
ARGO floats are widely considered to be far superior to any other SST measurements, because they sit directly in the water and send their measurement data via satellite straight away.
It's the ship measurements that are inferior, because there you have a bias because of warming by the hull of the ship as well as effects because of measurements by different ship types (hull size, different depths of the inlet,...)

>>132758210
what does it matter what his reasons might be?
what matters is the actual multiproxy data archive, which I never tire to point out is EASILY available

again, it's a pretty pathetic scandal, if all you can present is insinuations and a bit of speculation

(here is my hypothesis: Michael Mann is refusing to hand this stuff out because he wants to see how long it takes these retards to simply type it into google)

>>132757787
yes, I do have a peoblem with you claiming it must be true because lots of scientists say it is

especially when it's easy to disprove using the IPCCs own reports

and guess who has been getting grants etc, the alarmist side, yes. and how long would a skeptic last in a department funded by alarmist grants?

co2 rises AFTER temperature rises, it therefore can NOT be the cause

what caused all the temperature fluctuations in the past, before we can use humans as a factor?

is CO2 the main GHG, or is it Water Vapor?

>>132758968
aah, he's deliberately committing contempt of court and trying to lose his case?

what a smart man

>>132758606
No the ship's engines heat the surrounding water. Nothing to do with the hull or the ship itself.

>>132746421

Look at how many countries/corporations/orgs he duped with his hockey stick model, not to mention the countless retards I've thrashed in climate arguments, those pathetic sacs of donkey testicles will never admit they were bamboozled, they'll believe it.

>>132758606
ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud. Mann’s imminent defeat is set to send shock waves worldwide within the climate science community as the outcome will be both a legal and scientific vindication of U.S. President Donald Trump’s claims that climate scare stories are a “hoax.”

read it and weep bitch.

>>132759364
Sad indictment of the human condition isn't it?.

>>132743983

>chart one starts at 1000AD and is +- 1C
>chart 2 starts at 900AD and is 8.5-10.0C

do people fall for this?

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>>132759046
GALILEO NO! The sun goes round the Earth!

It's settled science. 97% of witchcraft elders agree. We have consensus!

>>132759791
Well the judge in this case seems to have some questions Mann is unwilling to answer.

So science.

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>>132744925

Not if I have anything to do about it nigger

>>132747091

It's okay, faggot, we all can see perfectly clear that all that doomsaying, shrieking, and hollering was for nought. You're the crazy old man yelling at clouds, you're the tinfoil hat wearing doomsday prepper, you're the senile old codger stuck in last century.

Wear it with pride, you stupid fuck.

Someone should go around and cut a hockey stick graph into every climatetard's forehead, so they can't hide from their past.

>>132759940
hmm, he's stopped responding

think his tiny little brain is overheating? perhaps he should reduce his co2 levels

>>132743983
bump

for dr.balls

>>132743983

so climate change is fake meme is still a thing huh

>>132754526
>theoretical knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Z04VJDco

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>>132759046
>because lots of scientists say it is
that's where you are wrong. Scientists don't just present this on the authority of their expertise. If you read a scientific paper, you will find that pretty much all have a "Methods" section, where they outline their methodology

>what caused all the temperature fluctuations in the past, before we can use humans as a factor?
that's a good question. Have you ever tried to find out the answer or are you just asking in the confident expectation that there couldn't possibly be an answer?

let's take the Cenozoic for instance, which is the time ever since the sudden demise of the non-avian dinosaurs (the last 66 million years in other words) and take a look at the 3 major climate forcings of that time:

The continents were in roughly the same position as they are today at the end of the Cretaceous (the only major exception being India), so albedo change because of continents during the Cenozoic is estimated to be extremely small, on the order of <1 W/m2

Changes in the luminosity of the sun (derived from known heliophysics) aren't much larger, about 1 W/m2. You can already tell that that can't be a major driver of climate over that time, because the sign is reversed: solar luminosity generally increased, while temperature generally decreased over the same time.

The last factor are long-lived atmospheric constituents, of which CO2 is the most important one:
CO2 concentration fell from ~2000ppm at the ECO, to 180ppm at the LGM, which translates to a change in radiative forcing of over 10 W/m2.

tldr: over the last 66 million years, changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases were by far the most important long-term driver of climate on Earth

>>132760087
His cognitive dissonance has probably exceeded his carrying capacity.

>claims the data is freely available
>requires gigantic litigation effort to get the data
Wew.

>>132760145
so give all your money to celebs and politicians and demonize anyone who disagrees as anti-science bigots is still real too huh?

name one thing our collective billions have gotten us to solve climate change. poor Canada, they spend more than anyone. lol

>>132760072
It's gonna be great seeing the egg on the faces of these idiots in a few years when the new little ice age really kicks in.

>>132760145

How does it feel to have your entire religion fall apart overnight?

The entire planet's global warming activities are based on this guy's numbers and he wouldn't give them to the judge.

It's sort of like the DNC saying Russia hacked their servers, but wont hand their servers over to the FBI to investigate.

What sort of person does that? You tell me.

>>132759325
that's what I said: the engine heat of the ships are creating a bias in the temperature data.
That's why float data is considered to be much more accurate (and therefore much more important), contrary to what you said earlier

>>132759477
so what about the dozens of reconstructions that broadly replicate MBH's results?
Are they all in on it as well?

My god, this conspiracy expands by the minute!

>>132760371
>you will find that pretty much all have a "Methods" section, where they outline their methodology

Some even admit to making up 43% of their data (NOAA)

and some even admit to throwing away uniform data that doesn't show warming in favor of hand-picked irregular data that does show 'warming' (NOAA)

>>132760509
>that's what I said: the engine heat of the ships are creating a bias in the temperature data.
Exactly.

>That's why float data is considered to be much more accurate (and therefore much more important), contrary to what you said earlier

ALL of the float data would be accurate, but they purposely selected floats near large operating ships which warm the surrounding area.

The ARGO floats showed no warming. Specific-hand-picked floats did show warming. HMMM.

>>132760637

They were most likely fudging their numbers too.

Also.

>simulations

You hopeless retards will believe this for another 10 years after it's been debunked, have fun being the irrelevant Civil War veteran saying the South will rise again.

>>132747788
A graph that has been a lynchpin in the entire global warming narrative. His fraudulent reseach has been cited hundreds or maybe thousands of times and has been a basis for government policy around the world. The "hockey stick graph" is one of the most famous pieces of "evidence" for global warming and has been used as propaganda in schools and the media for years. And it turns out the data was blatantly false. The climate change meme is collapsing

>>132747788

>Climate denial is still just a conspiracy theory

It's pretty ironic since your entire post is exemplary of denial.

Just accept it. Fucking tinfoil.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

>>132747091
>shills are tripfagging now
Makes it easier to filter, I guess.

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>>132760989
>JUST ACCEPT IT.
Now this is a compelling argument.

>>132760812
see, that's why these kind of pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't taken seriously by anyone with a brain:
they literally can't be debunked. Anytime anyone comes up with contrary evidence (in this case: all the reconstructions I mentioned), the conspiracy theory just gets bigger to accommodate it. So the conspiracy will never be debunked, it will keep expanding to include more and more people

>>132760371
>Scientists don't just present this on the authority of their expertise
but the media and alarmist beliebers do, and as I said, it's easy to disprove by looking at the predictions they made and seeing if any were correct(they weren't)

If you are claiming that natural changes in GHGs in the past occured, what caused them?

You didn't answer about Water Vapor

If ther have been many "climate changes" in the past, before humans started burning things inlarge numbers, what makes you so sure it's humans causing it this time?

>>132761386
Forget science.

Explain why all of our global warming tax money goes to politicians and celebrities. And none of us have anything to show for it.

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>>132761386
Keep saying conspiracy.
>+$0.02

>>132760989
That's not science.

Science is about questioning not accepting.

>>132761330

posted arguments - here is one more. Molyneux getting exposed for his idiocy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiZlBspV2-M

>>132760669
>>132760801
you're just wrong on that
the newest version of the Extended Reconstructed Sea Surface Temperature (ERSST) was specifically created to put more weight on the float dataset and it showed INCREASED warming (because the spurious cold bias from the ship-float switch was corrected for), which in itself has become the basis for another huge conspiracy theory.

And I do seriously would like to see your source for the claim that only buoys from major shipping lines were selected

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>>132749513
If only this picture were true, the entirely of dirty south America and most of Africa would be underwater.


I'm ok with this.

Mann vs Ball sounds like a retired baseball player's memoir

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>>132761673
>posted arguments
Two posts by this ID.

Post 1) JUST ACCEPT IT
Post 2) I POSTED ARGUMENTS

Time to step away from the keyboard, Bucko.

>>132761861
Looks like Mann has dropped the Ball this time

>>132761734
They admitted in the study that they completely fudged 43% of their data. you can read it.

You're a fucking loser btw.

>Give ur money to Obama and Al Gore and Di Caprio or ur an anti-science faggot

The Earth may actually be warming but that's not what global warming and the propaganda that surrounds it is about.

It's for manipulating people like you, with big egos, to call anyone who disagrees with giving le black science man, bill nye, al gore, etc millions-billions of dollars - an anti-science bigot.

Suckoff faggot.

>>132761921
Logic and liberals are like oil and water.

>>132762006
News flash: Mann can't scratch Ball in big legal battle

>>132761392
>but the media and alarmist beliebers do
yeah, the popular media and activists routinely get things wrong. Does this in your mind invalidate climatology?

>If you are claiming that natural changes in GHGs in the past occured, what caused them?
Same with before: have you ever tried to find that out yourself?

The concentration of CO2 is determined by the balance between sources and sinks.
On those timescales, the most important source is volcanic exhalation, while the most important sink is chemical weathering of silicate rock.

There are two long-term trends in the Cenozoic (see image from my earlier post).
A warming trend of increasing GHG concentration that goes on until the middle of the Eocene, and a cooling trend of falling GHG concentrations.

For the initial warming trend, the sources outweighed the sinks. This is associated with the fast northward movement of the indian subcontinent across the Tethys, which was a major carbonate depocenter. This carbonate was therefore subducted and released as CO2 into the atmosphere by the forming volcanic arc.

This went until India collided with the Eurasian content - the subduction stopped. Instead, huge amounts of silicate rock was exposed through the formation of the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau. From then on, the sinks outweighed the sources, CO2 concentrations fell and the planet entered a cooling trend.

>>132761589
see >>132761330

>>132762009
>They admitted in the study that they completely fudged 43% of their data. you can read it.
please be so kind and post it (ideally with the relevant passages)

>>132762422
>Does this in your mind invalidate climatology?

>Al Gore
>Bill Nye
>Le Black Science Man
>Obama

some of the most discredited people on planet Earth. all of them say WE need to give THEM money for climate change.

the earth may be warming, but it's probably not a threat and it's probably just a big scam. but who knows, i only know what celebs and politicians tell me.

Miami and Manhattan are gonna be underwater soon btw.

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>>132743983
>implying there are accurate objectively verifiable proxies (ie, indicators) of world-wide temperature and CO2 levels prior to the invention of man-made instruments, which only became prevalent on a somewhat global scale circa late 19th century for temperature and CO2 even later.

>>132762245
The Ball is in Mann's court now, Mann up or face The Judge.

>>132762673
>i only know what celebs and politicians tell me
there is your problem
instead of continuing to listen to people you know have no expertise in climate science and routinely misrepresent the research - why not take a look at the ACTUAL research, written by ACTUAL experts and extensively documented in the scholarly referee journal literature?

>>132762930
So you don't think I should listen to Obama, Bill Nye, Al Gore, etc.

when they all say I need to be worried about global warming?

>>132762725
With this in mind, both models should be rejected as they accept the premise that indicators like "tree-rings" and capture CO2 in glacial samples are accurate and not subject to any sort of bias in their interpretation.

Both are appallingly primitive and nobody points this shit out. Nobody can argue against this either in real life I've discovered. They're forced to concede to some degree or another, and anyone who thinks they can clearly nail the precise global temperature averages and CO2 levels beyond 2+ centuries past, are practicing faith, not science.

>>132762422
>yeah, the popular media and activists routinely get things wrong. Does this in your mind invalidate climatology?
when did I say all of climatology is invalid?

what invalidates the alarmists is doctored data, boycotts of scientific publications that publish skeptical articles, the huge power and money grab, and all their predictions being wrong

tell me about the "hiatus"

why won't you tell me about Water Vapor? Third attempt to get you to answer

>>132763047
>So you don't think I should listen to Obama, Bill Nye, Al Gore, etc.
not when it comes to climate science, no

>>132763094
Good point, what the fuck is the average temperature anyway?

how do we even measure it?

and then realise they are talking 10ths of s fucking degree.

We can't even measure temperatures that accurately on a global scale.

>>132763200
>not when it comes to climate science, no

so who should I listen to? they're the ones who get massive amounts of money for climate change

>>132763307
the HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD was 0.69 OF ONE DEGREE C hotter than the 20th century average

OMG WE'RE BURNING UP!!

>>132763480
Don't forget the sea levels are supposed to rise and polar bears are supposed to be dying out, plague and all of the other retarded shit our overlords predicted would happen.

Hillary Clinton will win with 93% confidence.

>>132763105
I suppose I just have to explain the entire earth system to you.
The reason I'm hesitant to do that is because it seems like I don't get a real response to the walls of text I already posted, I only get another point you want me to explain.

I can tell you what role water vapor plays in all this and about what is called the "hiatus", but what do you think about the stuff I sent you (the role of CO2 in the Cenozoic and what determined its concentration)?

>>132763626
Do you think Al Gore likes to drink whiskey or scotch while he burns fossil fuels in his private jet?

>>132763311
I already told you: the scientific, scholarly literature, published in peer-reviewed academic journals

It's amazing I have to explicitly tell you that science should be left to scientists.
It's even more amazing that I have to tell you this more than once.

>>132763776
Oh science should be left to scientists. That's why we should be deeply worried about climate change.

The sea levels will rise! By 2018!

>>132763626
>This went until India collided with the Eurasian content - the subduction stopped. Instead, huge amounts of silicate rock was exposed through the formation of the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau. From then on, the sinks outweighed the sources, CO2 concentrations fell and the planet entered a cooling trend.
ok, very interesting, but how does it explain the ice ages and warm periods?

now will you explain the role of Water Vapor as a GHG?

and your thoughts on the reasons for the "hiatus" and why none of the models/scientists predicted it

>>132763626
Explain how dinosaurs generated 400-500 ppm CO2 lol.

>>132763776
>Scientists predict sea levels rising drastically
>It doesn't happen
>We should believe them on everything else though.

That's how science works right? We just believe whatever a small group of people say, and if it doesn't come true we just move on.

>>132764044
>being this disgustingly ignorant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#Past_concentration

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>>132763978
since the number of points keeps going up and up, I will keep my answers rather condensed:

>how does it explain the ice ages and warm periods?
the glacial cycle is paced by an orbital forcing, changing the Northern hemispheric summer insolation. This forcing alone is very small, but it's enough to initiate slow positive feedbacks (for the most part ice-albedo and outgassing of GHGs), that do the "bulk" of the temperature change

>will you explain the role of Water Vapor as a GHG?
water vapor is the strongest GHG in terms of IR absorption, but it CAN'T be a climatic driver for a simple reason: it condenses.
It's concentration is contrained by the temperature of the atmosphere and it has a very short residence time of only a few days.
As a result, any access water vapor is precipitated out of the atmosphere, long before it cause any warming. Therefore, water vapor only acts as an amplifier of temperature change - not a prime driver.

>thoughts on the reasons for the "hiatus"
the "hiatus" is a prime example of internal decadal climate variability. Unlike what you said, a "step-wise" temperature evolution is actually well within expectation. The reasons for this specific one appears as an overlap between many factors: a nadir in the 11 year solar cycle, a dominantely nagetively phased PDO and increased ocean heat uptake (+ an uncertain contribution of AOD because of the burning of high-sulfur coal in South and East China)

>>132764084
you heard what I said

>>132763307
>how do we even measure it?
It's easily done so today in the 21st century by aggregating the average temperature (taken via thermometer) of many, many, various sites on Earth (thereby serving as a very large sample) and getting the average of that temperature. There is some more precise tuning than this and I believe atmospheric temperature is measured in some instances but that's the gist of it.

The data becomes foggier as you go backward in time, with less and less coverage (sample decrease; global coverage becomes semi-global) until you reach approximately the 1800s at which point, recorded temperatures stop becoming "global" and record-keeping becomes sporadic.

Nothing existed to measure the temperature prior to the late 16th century, and average temperature data pior to this point is calculated by a number of "proxies"; the most common measure being the "tree-ring technque" which estimates yearly temperatures by variation in the size of the ring. However, this is notoriously unreliable because anything from wind, to rainfall amounts, to blight can influence it.

They claim a larger sample size increases the reliability of localized weather events but.... if it's such a flawed technique to begin with, increasing the n is not going to be of any value.

http://www.clim-past-discuss.net/cp-2013-117/

The truth is we have no idea of knowing what the averages were prior to global instrumentation and said proxies are so crude and prone to bias that they are a total joke to anyone with a science background and critical thinking skills.

So, please indulge a layman here for a minute? How much damage was done to the OZONE LAYER, and by what, starting when? When did we stop damaging it with whatever if we ever did stop? And how could this layer repair itself if indeed it has?

As I understand it, this is a layer of our atmosphere that filters out quite a bit of harmful radiation and I remember hearing that there was a hole, that moved around, and hearing something in the news about some sunbathers being injured by it, back when I was a wee lad. I remember thinking when I was younger that I hoped that got better so I didn't get cooked alive slowly as an adult.

>>132743983
I actually believed in climate change at one point. Then I read about how these fuckers killed the coal industry in favor of burning wood pellets and are essentially started favouring deforestation. They literally believe deforestation is the answer to climate change. It's a fucking scam, just look up how Leonardo DiCaprio was embezzling money from his own climate change foundation. The fuckers are nothing but snake oil salemen.

>>132752773

Alright, keep paying 10X for renewable so you can cut demand for shit that actually works and subsidize are lavish energy consumption with zero net impact on CO2 emissions.

>>132762422
And with that comment everything you said is completely invalid. Any geoscientist would laugh you out of the fucking room if you thought weathering of silicious rocks were a carbon sink, much yet a major one. No go play somewhere else faggot you are utterly clueless.

>>132753676

Yeah, no shit, funny how once the US Government stops spending 100's millions per year on "climate science" the "consensus" magically starts changing.

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>>132765843
this is completely uncontroversial and can be found in any standard textbook

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>>132745843
Historical temperatures from Greenland ice core.

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>>132743983
>>132746529
>>132749134
[ironic sweating increases]

>>132765977
>implying CO2 proxies are reliable data in the first place
Pro-tip, they aren't. We don't have precise atmospheric CO2 prior to the 20th century.

>>132755165
Yep, when the left spends hundreds of millions of the taxpayer's money funding scientists who support their political views that is a public service.

When private individuals spend their own hard earned money funding scientists who support their political views that is propaganda.

At least the Koch brothers didn't steal the money from me first.

>>132766446
>precise atmospheric CO2 data*

>>132746956
All human beings working together is enough of a reason.

>>132766446
let me ask you this:
do you think it's just a giant coincidence that the trends in CO2 concentration is consistent between ice cores, not only at different parts of the vast ice sheets, but also between both hemispheres?

>>132765057
>the "hiatus" is a prime example of internal decadal climate variability
was it predicted by the IPCC?

>>132765057
>the strongest GHG in terms of IR absorption, but it CAN'T be a climatic driver for a simple reason: it condenses.
is it true that water vapor is 98% of GHG by effect? and humans are only responsible for 0.001% of it?

Climate change is retarded, but air and water pollution are real issues that should be managed.

>>132765428
CFCs, a banned gas here in the US when released into the atmosphere would combine chemically with the Ozone, depleting it's availability in the atmosphere. Most civilized countries have it banned and have since the 80s.

>>132767546
One of my big beefs with the climate change hype is that real environmental problems are ignored and lost in the noise.

>>132765977
See that little carbonate word in there fuck wad, carbonates are not silicious. Only feldspars will weather out in that nature, and are not a major constituent. Silicates rarely undergo any chemical weathering and casio3 is damn sure not a common fucking formula for siliceous minerals. Maybe come talk to me after you have had your fucking Ms in Geology for the last decade faglord. The major carbon sink is still biologically produced. Carbonate rocks in general are not produced outside of marine environments. .

>>132765494
>look up how Leonardo DiCaprio was embezzling money from his own climate change foundation
heh, really, what a kike

for me it was when bono was flying his private jet all over the world to tell people not to boil too much water for a cup of tea that did it

then I heard about climategate, and none of the models being right

>>132768105
Amen my kangaroo ranching brother.
Everyone is concerned about going solar for co2-less emissions, but ignore the vast amount of waste product generated from making the panels. China's, the world's largest producers of panels, dumps them straight into a river.

>>132767429
no, because the IPCC doesn't produce any predictions, projections or any primary research. It just compiles the latest body of research.

Furthermore, ocean heat uptake (which is modulated mostly by PDO), which seems to be the biggest contributor, varies stochastically and can't be meaningfully predicted.

>>132767526
for water vapor, it's on that order, yes
I have no clue if the human contribution is 0.001% or not and I don't think there is much value in quantifying it that way. The increased forcing from GHGs accounts for at least 70% of the observed warming and that increase is pretty much all man-made.

The real question should be what effects a further increase in concentration is likely to have on the Earth system.

>>132768283
just look up the Carbonate silicate cycle, for heaven's sake

(p.s: feldspar is literally the most common mineral in the crust)

>>132768576
not sure if it's true, but I read an article claiming it took more power to manufacture a solar panel than it could ever generate in its lifetime

>>132768617
>no, because the IPCC doesn't produce any predictions
ha, I see, it just endorses others predictions

so was the hiatus predicted?

by saying bla bla variability you seem to admitit was not

>for water vapor, it's on that order, yes
so 98% of GHG effect is water vapor, but all we ever hear about is CO2

the real questoin is why are we worried about 1 degree of warming in a century

and what do we do about african overpopulation

>>132768946
Takes about 30 years I heard, they do last that long though.

Wind is where some serious money has been wasted.

>>132769317
I already told you: the "hiatus", like any internal variability CAN'T be predicted.
And there isn't much of a point in predicting it, since it doesn't change the long-term trend.

>so 98% of GHG effect is water vapor, but all we ever hear about is CO2
yes and I already explained the reason to you:
excess water vapor is pretty much immediately precipitated out of the atmosphere, while CO2 is not. That's why CO2, unlike water vapor, is a driver of climate (as evidenced by the paleoclimate record)

>>132769388
yeah, massive waste, especially when they only last 10 years, and need a backup powerstation running all the time to pick up load if the wind drops

do the panels even last 30 years?

>>132769918
>the "hiatus", like any internal variability CAN'T be predicted.
can't predict a 21 year pause in warming, b-but p=pls t-trust us and p-pay our s-salaries goykun

>excess water vapor is pretty much immediately precipitated out of the atmosphere
yet still causes 98% of all GHG effects?

isn't it more because if you told people CO2 was less than 2% of the causes of GHG effects people would tell you to fuck off when you demanded they stop generating any?

that's what it would sound like to me

>>132769926
Yes, I know of working panels that old still pretty much as good as new.

>>132767165
>CO2 concentration is consistent between ice cores
How is this of any reassurance? If anything, it's indicative that retained CO2 is reaching an equilibrium in an aqueous solution at similar temperature points; hence the severe lack of major variation.

>, but also between both hemispheres

This is irrelevant; the intrahemispherical consistency does not validate the argument that it is a reliable measure. If two sets of data are used, as opposed to say averaged, as variables for the equations you set up, the only thing this would do is increase r^2, thereby being your "evidence".

>>132770275
working at the same efficiency?

also wasn't there some scandal about efficiency figures because panels become less efficient at higher temperatures(i.e. as the sun shines on them more)?

>>132770401
do you know of any climate scientist that predicted the hiatus?

>>132770537
yep no noticeable drop in output.

yes they do become less efficient at high temps due to increased internal resistance. but that is only temporary related to ambient temperature and doesn't damage the panels, just reduces their output.

>>132770911
>just reduces their output.
and presumably invalidates their break even case and cost savings

>>132771254
They are more efficient in cold climates but still economical in the isolated parts of Australia despite the loss of efficiency due to the hotter climate.

No moving parts, lasts forever, direct conversion of Sun's energy into electricity, what could be wrong with that?

>they were metropolitan and urban retards the whole time
pottery

>ITT: braindeads think they're so smart for (((uncovering the truth))) about climate change and unknowingly shill for fossil fuels
You guys are cuck supreme

>>132772264
well, the 30 year beakeven is pretty shit

also, I'm not convinced that they last forever

>>132772937
Have you heard of beta voltaics?

they use a beta radiation source and a differently doped silicon panel to generate electricity.

>>132772264
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3058270/sustainable-it/study-solar-panels-dont-last-forever-and-degradation-varies-wildly.html

anyway, most manfs guarantee for about 25 years it seems, but they are expected to lose a bit less than 1% a year

>>132772937
There are also panels that absorb a wider range of wave lengths of light and are 4 times as efficient as common panels, they are not being mass manufactured though.

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>>132773709
Pay me carbon tax

>>132773616
Oh and what's the maintenance and upkeep on diesel or coal fired plant then?

>>132773709
I'm not totally against solar, but I am against being forced to subsidise it

also, these 25 year guarantees aren't all that reassuring, as firms can go bust in that length of time. then sell their assets to another firm and startup again

>>132773328
nope

>>132773928
no idea, why is that relevant?

>>132773898
>>132773709
What I like about solar is that it is decentralised and small scale and can make people energy independent

how can that be a bad thing?

In many places in Australia it is cheaper than connecting to grid electricity.

>>132774065
I don't like subsidising criminal wars for Jews either

At least some tax money is going somewhere useful.

Carbon tax is designed to transfer wealth to the Jewish banksters, making them even more powerful and wealthy by taxing us to death, literally. Anybody who believes CO2 must be taxed and controlled is a total fucking moron. Don't be a moron, do some research and learn the truth. There are pollutants that should be controlled but CO2 isn't pollution, CO2 is necessary for life and levels 10X higher than today would be safe and beneficial for plants and crops that would grow faster and larger, producing more food and natural-renewable products for mankind.

>>132743983
Maybe it gets hot a year record breaking maybe cold a year record breaking but I like talking about the weather and coffee now you know like old people.

>>132774333
how is it useful to push up energy prices?

>>132774065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p0c22gHb8E

no fan of thundef@rt but he has some good info in this.

>>132774798
yeah, nah, I'm not watching that dishonest condescending faggot

if you want to make an argument, go ahead

>>132775090
he says 10 years break even.

>>132775983
on energy used to manufacture and ship, C02 used to manufacture and ship, or cost to costomer? and does that cost factor in subsidies?

anyway, I don't trust him

>>132776689
kinda off the original topic isn't it?

people on /pol/ just love to argue and will find any little thing to do so over I guess.

>>132776947
I thought you brought it up, yuo fucking retard

>>132777475
Did I ?

I thought it was you actually.

>>132777679
oh, it was some other faggot. nevermind, it's still your fault, you useless abo huffing cunt

>>132778216
You just jelly you ain't here romper stomper.

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Study Finds Temperature Adjustments Account For ‘Nearly All Of The Warming’ In Climate Data

A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”
“Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published [global average surface temperature (GAST)] data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.
The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.
Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.
Basically, “cyclical pattern in the earlier reported data has very nearly been ‘adjusted’ out” of temperature readings taken from weather stations, buoys, ships and other sources.
In fact, almost all the surface temperature warming adjustments cool past temperatures and warm more current records, increasing the warming trend, according to the study’s authors.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/

https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf

Other thread saged.
This is a polite repost for
>>132777378
DESU it didn't take long to find the article in question:
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/348/6242/1469
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10.1175/BAMS-D-15-00015.1
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/348/6242/1469
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/1/e1601207

It's worth noting the picture linked never actually came from the article. Though the papers linked arrive at different conclusion than Gavin did. The daily mail article was apparently deleted.
Also, I got at least one to open access, so it's worth reading. I'm gonna read them for a bit, though I'm laying down as well since I work tonight...
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/1/e1601207.full

>>132778449
yeah, maybe. melbourne seems like a lovely tolerant place, and you hardly have any enriching violence thre

>pol believing conspiracy websites again

Here is a list of raw climate data

http://realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/


This is literally all the evidence you need for AGW. But I don't expect pol to read data or scientific literature, they'll just believe what conspiracy websites say as always

>>132779867
Hello!
Quite a nice link. I do enjoy taking the data and plotting it out myself. Further, it's always nice to see how well it correlates to independent data. Thanks for the share!

(Yeah, I just felt like going full british for a few minutes)

>>132779867
how much hotter is the hottest year on record than the 20th C average?

>>132753687
I guarantee I am more highly educated than you in this field and even I have questions. So do my research partners.

People who toss ad homs and say things like "settled science" are to be mocked and ignored. I'm positive you are probably 16.

>>132780394
.99 degrees C.
Which is in line with predictions such as the articles I linked actually.

>>132748310
>Greenland ice sheet
You do know that there is another ice sheet on Earth right? Greenland is gaining ice while Antarctic is losing it and the Antarctic ice sheet is melting faster than the Greenland ice sheet is increasing.

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He debunks pretty much everything climatetards have been spouting all this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcUnVi9Nz4

>>132781236
whoops, wrong again.
another shill BTFO.

>NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses
>Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.”

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

I can go all day blowing you kids out of the water. You are out of your element here. I have a fucking PhD in this stuff. Want to keep trying me?

>>132781678
Hey leaf, why don't you elaborate on Jays Conclusions as to why the Antarctic is gaining ice?
Also it should be noted that >>132781236
is quite unable to argue about the subject.
Also, you have a phD eh? Which subject? No PhD myself. Though I can happily talk at length about Climate proxies even though my masters is in Volcanology.

I heard all this - planet record warmest average temp ever in the last to years.
Search the net and in the small print in most articles state since 1880. As if all science and scientific discovery before then is fake science.

Search temp before 1880 and real science paints a different picture.

March for SCIENCE seems to represent the flat earthers, sun revolves around the earth, and deniers of any scientific discovery before 1880.

WTF

>>132743983
https://www.dailystormer.com/crippled-black-hole-theorist-kook-stephen-hawking-claims-donald-trump-will-cause-250-degree-temperatures-and-sulfuric-acid-rain/

>>132743983
>comparing Europe's climate to the world's climate
Absolutely retarded.

>>132781065
.69 of ONE degree C, ackshuly

oh shit, I'd better get in the fridge

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>>132781678
Eh I got it mixed up. The Antarctic is growing while Greenland is melting. The original chart is just bullshit. Pic related is from the study it's from. Literally the paragraph before the chart it says that Greenland is melting.
https://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

>>132782370
hmm, that almost seems dishonest

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The Jewnited Nations will try to neuter the internet for this

>>132752773
Lol no, USA is a net export of oil.
We could be 100% independent if we wanted, you globalist faggot.

>>132781678
>I can do this all day
>disappears after 2 posts
Always the leaf.

>claimed he was the first climatologist with a PhD
wasn't
>claimed he has been a professor for 28 years
actually it was 8
>claimed climate change don't real
third time's the charm I guess