National Libertarianism

this assumes jews and other internationalist bankers are not real

>>132735897
Forgot to say it:
>No central bank
>Gold standard

Jews can form their own ethno-state

>>132735411
National capitalism would be better
It has a larger appeal, libertarianism is quite exclusively American

>>132735411
One of these things is not like the other.
How can you enforce traditional order on society, remove unwanted elements, give one man and his heirs absolute executive power, enforce racial purity, but not have any care at all what businesses might do. You take special care of the social aspects of society, but if Mr. Goldsteinburg wants to build sweatshops in Thailand and give out usurious loans which he uses to amass wealth with no work on his part, no doubt for the purpose of bribes in parliament, then he's totally fine, let him be.

Why do libertarians what to remove order and return to chaos when the goal of 100s of thousands of years of civilization has been to do the opposite?

>>132736347
>gold standard
You should look up how much gold the Rothschilds have, it will put things in perspective

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>>132735411

FUCK CAPITALISM

>>132735411
>Absolute Monarchy
stopped reading there since all the rest is bullshit if any king can stomp down anyone and anything you fucking dumbass

>>132736369
Libertarianism take traditionals values from Europe.
>>132736406
How can you enforce traditional order on society, remove unwanted elements, give one man and his heirs absolute executive power, enforce racial purity, but not have any care at all what businesses might do
Cause this problems are not caused by bussines but by government, international bankers and marxist groups. If you destroy central bank, administration and bureaucracy, tey all fall by their own weight.
> if Mr. Goldsteinburg wants to build sweatshops in Thailand and give out usurious loans which he uses to amass wealth with no work on his part, no doubt for the purpose of bribes in parliament, then he's totally fine, let him be.
Non of this affect our nation.

Ethnic segregation enforce market relation between these, cause the natural order is being separated and commercing for their own sake.

>>132736548
I don't want to remove order, I just don't want the government breathing down my neck.

>>132736548
don't worry
nobody's gonna take away your neet bux

>>132736920
If the king is the owner of the land, he will think in long-term to not destroy his heritage. Besides, monarchy enforces class consciousness you dumb asshole

>>132735411
>Physically remove commies, kebabs and sjws
>Jews get to live
We will just destroy you country then, I don't get it

>>132735411
could only work if it were guaranteed that all kikes were dead and it was an exclusively white nation. Even then a completely free market comes with some inherent risks.

Here have a superior government:

Constitutional National Socialist Republic
>constitution dictates rights and who has em etc
>internal government structured towards encouraging a community approach to helping one another
>Voting system where certain positions can be voted on, term limits do not apply during war only death or impeachment will remove an office holder
>Constitutional article dictating how, when, where and why (such as war, economic problems, shortages in certain industries) the economy can be changed towards fascism and when it has to be freed up toward a free market (wars ending or victory is assured, economic strength returns, new territory gained through expansion) ,but not 100% lolberg tier free.


I dare you to think of something better than that

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA.

>>132735411
retard. you are not worthy of that flag. go get some books.

>>132735411
Feudalism

>>132737324
in that case remove jews too.

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>>132737707
gtfo statist shill

>>132735411
>Absolute Monarchism
>Free Market
Are you autistic?

>>132737351
Remove constitution and democracy and it's ok

>>132738204
Industrial Revolution came with monarchies

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ITT OP read 2 pages of Hoppe and thinks he knows how a free market economy would work under monarchism.
>Absolute Monarchism
Make that 1 page.

>>132735411
>Absolute Monarchy
This would only be compatible in Ancap if there was city-states.
>Entho-nationalism
I hope you mean actual ethno-nationalism and not (((white nationalism))). These must be voluntary, of course.
>Conservative/traditional/natural social order
A-okay, granted these are the only sustainable societies.
>Free market Laissez-faire Capitalism
Of course.
>Low taxes
>Small budget
There should be no taxes or budget.
>Inmigration control
Again totally fine, as long as voluntary among the populace.
>Physically remove commies, kebabs and sjws
Obligatory.

>>132738124
You need to read more. You are an Anarcho-Monarchist, not an ancap.

>>132735411
>Ethno-nationalism


You had me at Ethno-nationalism.

>>132738498
I knew Hoppe was not monarchical. He say so in the introduction and chap. 5.

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>>132735411
>>Free market Laissez-faire Capitalism
You can stop co-opting our flags anytime ancaptards.

>>132738598
>This would only be compatible in Ancap if there was city-states.
>There should be no taxes or budget.
>Again totally fine, as long as voluntary among the populace.
>You need to read more. You are an Anarcho-Monarchist, not an ancap.
I mean in case that State exist, this is an option. Maybe a transition to a natural order.

>>132738710
Hoppe is an ancap but does argue that if a state should exist it should be a monarchy but not an absolute one or should it be absolute then the state itself and its enforcement of power must be greatly reduced under the assumption that the people have a right to arm themselves to significant enough degree to pose a threat to the state ensuring a balance of fear by the monarch.

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>>132735411
Sounds good to me.

>>132739227
>does argue that if a state should exist it should be a monarchy
Hoppe say that there's no way back to monarchy, so there has to be a popular movement liderated by a "natural aristocracy" or "libertarian elite". This elite should have no relation with the state without the Legal minimum. They have to speach to the people (preferably in non-hidding) and de-legitimize democracy and state

>>132739008
Eh. Still not sure about the Absolute Monarchy thing. History shows how reluctant monarchs can be about giving up power, but otherwise it's fine.

>>132739701
speack*

How is monarchy ever compatible with anarchy?
Jesus, fuck off with this semite merchantilism ideology

>>132739969
speak* lol

>>132739920
Hmmm. Maybe with a well armed citizens. By evolution, government will not be necessary. Also, Monarchy enforce class consciousness

>>132740146
Then it's no longer absolute. Perhaps a confederate government would be more efficient. There would be government but it would be more autonomous to allow easy transition.

>>132735411
how is a monarchy libertarianism you Southern fuckwit?

>>132737280
You read like someone who couldn't even finish the clifnotes of Hoppe
Goes like this
Democracy<Monarchy<Libertarian Social Order/Anarcho-Capitalism

tldr just because Monarchy is better than Democracy doesn't mean it's actually a good thing
Not that hard to be better than Democracy desu senpai

>>132740574
>Then it's no longer absolute
Maybe I should change "absolute".

What about:

>Take power with populist strategy.
>Mantain power with authoritarian gov.
>Free market laissez faire Capitalism
>Physically remove commies, kebabs and sjws
>Then eliminate gun control
>decentralize power into a Confederate system
>The state is no longer necessary: Natural order

>>132735411
OH FUG OH FUG OH FUG, I LOVE THAT FLAG.

>>132741016
Read my other posts

>>132738710
>I knew Hoppe was not monarchical. He say so in the introduction and chap. 5.


>>132739701
>Hoppe say that there's no way back to monarchy, so there has to be a popular movement liderated by a "natural aristocracy" or "libertarian elite". This elite should have no relation with the state without the Legal minimum. They have to speach to the people (preferably in non-hidding) and de-legitimize democracy and state

>>132740619
What if the subjects of the crown consent tho?

>physically remove people
>requires some kind of centralized authority that has the right to trample over individual rights completely
>implying libertarian cucks would tolerate this for long and it would just collapse

>>132741181
Cool huh?

Takes minutes of autism

>>132741374
Then there will be mostly decentralized state-cities.

>>132735411
>implying lazzes faire capitalism doesnt mean importing the cheapest possible labour from the third world

Fuck off forever libertarian scum

>>132741179
It would seem more suitable to form a confederate nation then remove communists instead of forming a more authoritarian system than what we have now. A strong military is a must to ensure such a nation survives, so the only major budget I'd put in would be defense.

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>>132735411
Mfw somebody describes the ideology I thought was so specific nobody would share my views down to a fucking tee. European societies lend themselves so well to this setup as well, but it is being snuffed out of them.

>>132741951
>It would seem more suitable to form a confederate nation then remove communists instead of forming a more authoritarian system than what we have now

But in a confederate nation the authority to physically remove commies will be decentralized, commies would take a few communities, so I think the first step is to kick them out and then establish the Confederation.

>>132742261
Let's make a identitarian party then lol. There has to be more.

>>132741016
Missing a step
Democracy<Monarchy<Libertarian Social Order/Anarcho-Capitalism>Minarchist Meritocracy

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Yes please

>>132736822
nia u a nazi they be finna capitalist too XD

>>132741918
>immigration control
Can't you read, stupid leaf?

>>132742604
Is that last < supposed to be a >?
If that's a mistake I agree, I just didn't want to try and explain Hoppes mistakes to someone who just got done reading him.

>>132735411
>Absolute Monarchy
Change that to constitutional. A king within an absolute monarchy has a de facto better claim to your property than yourself

>>132735411
What you are describing is essentially Neo-Reaction/Dark Enlightenment.


Read Mencius Moldbug.

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>>132742494
I had this idea of convincing enough members of the Libertarian and Constitution Parties to effectively dissolve the Parties and, along with key Paleo-Conservative Republicans who hate their cuckservative brethren, start a new party in a mass event; the "Meritocratic Party". Declare the Republican Party a failure to the right and vow to push it to the "center" (which I view, essentially, as a giant Middle ground Fallacy anyway) and claim the right in its stead. Invite all Libertarians, Constitution Party members, and Paleocons disgusted with the GOP and form this new Meritocratic Party. It would be necessary to get a bunch of big name supporters to simultaneously endorse it and even convert some big name celebs in a surprise event. Can't be a "minor" party like the old Libertarians, this has to be a threat as a major one on it's inception.
Imagine if Trump made this statement while also extending an apologetic olive branch to PaleoConservatism while also expressing his disdain for neocons, RINOs, cuckservatives, and "crypto-Democrats" (as I like to say). Imagine. Got the idea from Bill Whittle's (superold) "Piranha Party" Afterburner. Meritocrat Piranhas?
In this new 3 party America the new Republicans in the ""center"" would be able to say the this society is a Constitutional Representative *Republic* and their party simply reflects this reality. So then the Democrats and Meritocrats to either side must say that their intent to do is is to modify the society with more Democracy and Meritocracy to the left/right respectively. The objective evil and inferior of the Democratic part would be made know through simple observation.
See the reason the Libertarian PARTY was a bad idea is because it presents an unclear picture and avenue of attack for the left. An "Authoritarian Party" will never be made and for the same reason the Libertarian never should have. Even though Libertarianism is king.

>>132742870
Whoops yes

>>132742261

Hi Brit:

Absolute Monarchy: I agree (depends which way it goes, of course, but a good monarchy in the good path must virtually be absolute);
Ethno-Nationalism: I agree;
Traditional/Natural Social Order: I agree.
Free Market Laissez Faire Capitalism: I agree (in theory. We need a good and sound financial system and commies like China and other cheaters need out).
Low Taxes: I agree, although the state needs the autonomy to regulate that shit without going full scale robber.
Small Budget: I agree on principle. In reality it depends on the situation one faces. Small budget should be the norm and also the ideal.
Immigration Control: I agree.
Physical removal of commies, kebabs, sjws: I agree, although it should be phased and humane. How you guys are going to remove (all) commies giving that so many of them are so close to us and part of our families...

See, Brit, you are not alone. Most (rational and well intentioned) people would agree with us if they cared enough to *understand* or get *red pilled*.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "NATIONAL LIBERTARIANISM" THOUGH.

THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF "LIBERTARIANISM".

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I 100% support this, but why stop at monarchy, OP? Hoppe says monarchy is merely relatively superior to democracy. I mean, we could end up with a kickass Prince Hans Adams II or we could end up with a megalomaniac, but should we take our chances?

>>132742974
Constitutional monarchy is degenerative already because it codifies what the king can and cannot do. If an absolute king decides to raise taxes to 20%, people will say "what right does he have?! He's merely a caretaker of the country, not our owner!" whereas if you put in a constitution that the king can tax, he'll simply go the democratic way of amassing enough votes to change the Constitution and allow unlimited taxation. And since the have-nots will flock to the booths with the promises of more spending and more welfare/redistribution, people will suddenly believe the king to be the same as them. Read Democracy—The God That Failed, the chapter about the impossibility of limited government and constitutions.

>>132743108
This one is also an amazing idea. I've been reading Moldbug lately, top guy except all the high horse verbose.

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>>132742631
The flag of our paramilitary group

>>13274317
Interesting wew

>>132743691
>I 100% support this, but why stop at monarchy, OP? Hoppe says monarchy is merely relatively superior to democracy. I mean, we could end up with a kickass Prince Hans Adams II or we could end up with a megalomaniac, but should we take our chances?
We put the king in charge

>>132743688
>Physical removal of commies, kebabs, sjws: I agree, although it should be phased and humane. How you guys are going to remove (all) commies giving that so many of them are so close to us and part of our families...
Inteligence services

>THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF "LIBERTARIANISM".

It's a transition to a libertarian social order

>>132744220
You know, I am not opposed to it actually. I'd rather live in a country-covenant represented by a king with a family we can cheer for rather than the imaginary National Contracts Corporation. So I guess I'm for anarcho-monarchism.

>>132745613
I can define myself as anarcho-monarchist, but I preffer natural-anarchist or privet property anarchist

>>132735411
There's something off-putting about Absolute monarchy but otherwise I'd agree with most.

>>132745801
I go with paleolibertarian or Right-libertarian/Hoppean, although Moldbug introduced a term I love: Restorationist.

>>132735411
>>132736347
Typical tricks shlomo

>>132748500
I want to start reading Moldbug. Any recomendation?

>>132736613
They are rothschild agents so they dont care
They are unable to name the jew and call out rothschilds

I consider myself nationalist libertarian

but why a monarchy?

i get you need one absolute power on top, commited to removing those that might resist a truly free open market state.

but monarchy seems odd way to get that

the leader IRA in heinliens time enough for love is a better example.

or if tech allows a AI overlord like the Minds in the culture books

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>>132735411
>let's get the most ideologically pure country instead of one that will actually work

Hitler had the right idea with national populism disguised as national socialism. You're only gonna catch neckbeards with this shit.

>>132735411
Do that and you're effectively resetting the clock to 1776 and everything will happen again.

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>>132748761
I began with A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations. It's verbose, but he makes good points. I must say I read some of it diagonally, especially the first part about the American Revolution, which he seeks to unmask as a traitorous and hypocritical revolution, not because it was boring or far-fetched but because he quotes authors writing in old English and it was a pain for me to read some of the sentences. So here they are:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.pt/2008/11/patchwork-positive-vision-part-1.html

http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/moldbugs-gentle-introduction/

And this one is phenomenal:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.pt/2010/02/from-mises-to-carlyle-my-sick-journey.html

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>>132735411
sounds like a good idea

>>132736347
>gold standard

Thing of the past. Future currency needs to be based on the block chain.

>>132749365
I didn't expect it was all in a blog.
Thx. I'll have a look this summer.

>>132735411
What makes you think king will go along with the rest of your list?

>>132749640
I don't think so. Gold is the natural currency. Maybe in the future it will be changed by evolution.

>>132750233
Answered before in this thread.

>>132749808
Yes, he's one of those blogger intellectuals. But he doesn't write like a scholar or an academic, he writes like a blogger, cuss words included.

>>132735411
replace absolute monarchy with:
>Constitutional monarchy, but not in the sense it is understood today - monarch has actual authority, not just ceremonial; more like a president in a semipresidential system
and we're game

>>132750391
You're making assumptions that a man with absolute power will share your opinion of what is best for himself.

>>132750297
Gold standard is the best standard. Only issue is how much of it we'd need. The concept of the petro dollar and shrinking global influence was pretty much designed to destroy our currency.

>>132750851
But how we know that constitution will work?

>>132735411
Most American white nationalists are National Libertarians.

>>132750881
Maybe a well armed citizens will make the difference

>>132735411
How is the monarch determined in this system? Are successors heriditary or chosen by the outgoing monarch based on merit?

What is in place to prevent the monarch from becoming a cruel and greedy bastard?

>>132751113
petro dolar will fall down bcs of fracking and his replacement of renewable energy (more efficient)

>>132751636
>How is the monarch determined in this system? Are successors heriditary or chosen by the outgoing monarch based on merit?
Merit and heritage.
>What is in place to prevent the monarch from becoming a cruel and greedy bastard?
A cruel and greedy bastard would destroy its own heritage. It's not convenient.
Besides, monarchy enforces class consciousness, and citizens will be armed.

>>132751548
Smart king will make his people uneducated, dumb and loyal with the help of cencorship and propaganda. Intelligent citizen is problematic for anyone with power

>>132752218
>Smart king will make his people uneducated, dumb and loyal with the help of cencorship and propaganda. Intelligent citizen is problematic for anyone with power
That's right, but look: In History the citizen class were aware of their position and tehir interest, so they revolted against tax increases (American Revolution, Wat tyler revolution, guilds revolution against Carlos I in Spain). Even so, people are already educated and know how take care of themselves. Think in the relation monarchy-citizens as a non-aggression relationship for the sake of both.

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>>132743173

Has your masturbation completed?

Politics is dirty work. The american system is designed in such a way that bi polarism is a given. You only have the Republican party - as Trump showed, it can be subverted.

A third party would only allow the party less affected by it to gain the elections.

If you were to count the Libertarian votes as Republican, this would be Trump's win. And also, the popular vote would be his as well.

What you have to do is to dominate the Republican party, divide states, really, create new states! Be the representative of small and medium sized white-ish communities, etc.

>no theocracy

Dropped.

>>132753183
>Conservative/traditional/natural social order
Isn't enough?

>>132735411
NO.
yes
no
Yes
yes
Yes
YES

>>132753309
Isn't anarcho-capitalism where the business owners rule instead of private citizens or those who make their income through donations?

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it makes me so proud that /pol/ is filled with libertarians nowadays, I never thought it could be possible

>>132753522
>being against conservatism and tradition
Commie go home

Literally just a feudal state

>>132735411
How do you guys even come up with these names...

>>132753648
It's the rule of private communities. Big business and banks fall down with the elimination of government and central banks.

>>132743691

You seem well intended.

1) Moldburg is Jewish. (I like him still, he's no God though).

2) You fail to understand the difference between an absolute and a "liberal" or "democratic" monarchy.

Of course in an absolute monarchy the King needs to abide by rules. The King always abides by rules. The nature of the rules are the difference between the two systems.

In a "liberal" or "democratic" monarchy - note that the monarchy here is a fallacy for there is no one true power (monos+archy) - the power of the King is limited by other powers. The King becomes subservient to other powers.

In an absolute monarchy, the King stands above all the other powers in the "Nation" and oversees the functioning of the "Nation".
The King has power against this or that sector or faction of the "Nation". Has power "over it" as depending on the case.

Basically, look at the Vatican. It has a bunch of rules and what not. However, the Pope oversees it all.

The great strenght of an absolute monarchy is that the King has every reason and every mean to ensure the welfare of the Nation. It will be an embodiement of the "Princeps / First Citizen" without the constrains subjected into the average citizen.

I'm tired, bye.

>>132735411
How is this even close to anarcho-capitalism?

>>132754187
It's a transition to it.

>>132754187
Libertarians and ancaps are traditionalists in denial. Fuedalism is the truest form of AnCap, in which the state both does and does not exist.

>>132754007
No more voting?

>>132754390
If private communities want to establish a democracy in the limits of their property it would be ok. But I think mostly would not.

>>132735411

You guys are so fucking stupid actually considering Libertarianism.

It is the complete opposite of European Civilisation, and therefore of every European Nation. It's also a form of materialism, for it is not serious about freedom, it merely sells an idea of freedom. It is also anti-Christian.
Romans, specially early Romans would laugh at you.

That American plebs and burgers and yes, trailer trash or some equivalent with its education buys into it, its ok.
But to se somewhat conscious, "redpilled" Europeans given it a go... It is revolting.

To talk about "Libertarianism" and then put the idea of "National" near it as an offense so great to logics you are not even worth discussing with.

Go read Évola. That Portuguese guy, go read about D. Miguel and the how we suffered to expel Napoleon and his ideas, as well as the Brazilian masonic army and its ideas.

You really are not serious people.

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>>132754363
The one I'm talking to in this thread mentioned communities, so that is potentially traditionalism. After all one doesn't have duties but opportunities in a purely economic system, and suggesting bonds outside oneself means that things different than making money are expected of the participants.

>>132754674

>implying anyone wants to be associated with your retarded police states

top kek, the culture heritage is pretty nice but you faggots can go fuck yourselves 2bh

>>132754831

we want to reproduce what made the USA the monster it is, not a bunch of stagnated European countries

>>132745801

You are a sick man. That does not make the minimum sense whatsoever. It's like saying ... I even have difficulty coming with some shit as stupid as that that actually makes sense in any human language.

That's how fucking sick you are, every 2 years old guy has more logics in their random speech than you have in your pseudo philosophy.

It's revolting.

>>132754670
Democracy only works for relatively short periods of time, even in its original iteration in ancient Greece.

>>132754942
>We want to reproduce a malicious cancer

>>132755156

it's only bad because you've ignored what made you good to begin with

>>132754674
>It is also anti-Christian.
Anddddd stop reading. Sad.

>>132755072
It would work in small territories with the secession right of communities. Somewhat like Liechtenstein

>>132755215
You're right that the United States is less bureaucratic and therefore more family and tradition oriented for the average person than most other countries. Bureaucracies take away the agency of people in them. However, the United States was always a Republic and after different amendments to the constitution federalism disappeared in the 20th Century. Better to take voting away all together for a while so that the communities become more honest again...

>>132754674
>It is the complete opposite of European Civilisation
t. Alberto Barbossa
Libertarianism is the anal retentive level of autism logical conclusion of the ancient common law. It is outside Europe that you will find bondage. Not surprising that you cite Evola, a man that didn't like Europe.

>>132754674
libertarians are idiotic anarchists, not more and not less.
They just came here to /pol/ in masses because of libertarian youtubers making money off the US-election result.

most of them are probably former liberals aswell, so wonder the would call anything authoritarian bad

>>132756305

That's what I said,Even if the USA basically revoked most of it's individual liberties, the years of freedom you had generated and enourmous amount of wealth unimaginable to any of the states around the world.

>>132756535
>former liberals
you idiot lol.
now gtfo.

>>132756535
I have been involved in lolbertarian circles and I've literraly not met one that was a former liberal. Though the obviously exist, they're the exception. Libtards are incredibly opposite to libertarians, it's a huge jump in ideology.

>>132757010
From my experience many Libertarians used to be Liberals, but were unsatisfied with the political circumstances, watched Sargon of Akkad and Lauren Southern etc.
So they changed their mind.

I'm sure it's not always the case, but it indeed happened, especially since this ideolog became more popular

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>>132735411
half white/black right wing libertarian. Didn't choose to be this way.

Am I getting removed?

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>>132757293
This image is 100% me and plenty of other people on /pol/

>>132757293
>Sargon of Akkad
Rlly stop trying.

>>132757293
No.

>>132735411
>Libertarianism
>Absolute Monarchy
You are Absolutely Retarded, at least. There's no point in associating it with Libertarianism at that point, and the snake on a monarchist flag is insulting, it is a symbol of resistance against a monarchy.

>>132757737
Read the thread you dumbass.

>>132757480
It mostly goes this way haha.
But in my case I was authoritarian since my early teens. (I am a Monarchist) It' doesn't get in my mind how people want to reduce the State to a minimum. Taxes and forced Insurances give you more good than a Society led by Coorperations will ever give.

Maybe its because i'm German and experience much luxury made by the social market that Americans don't. Who knows

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>>132735411
You need some instrument by which to impose social morality. We see what happens when the free market runs loose; Miley Cyrus riding giant dildos and weaboos buying sex dolls. Government imposed morality doesn't work because it requires coercion. The only method I've thought of is religion, but even that is prone to corruption.

>>132757010
Anon., sometimes they take off all their clothes and dance nearly naked on stage during a political event, flopping their fat around. That show of disrespect is an example of extreme individualism which some people call liberalism.

>>132757480
Becoming authoritarian isnt conidering enlightned. That just means you are a Hitler-loving fag who doesnt like personal freedom.

True enlightment comes from being centrist with a slight-tilt towards the right wing, because it keeps you openminded and logical.

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>>132757480
(((pure coincidence)))
Nice nose schlomo

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>>132757927
Politics usually follows culture.

>>132757989
>Unironic centrist.
Centrists are people who are uneducated on the topic of civilization and history or don't give enough of a shit to care

>>132758176
What's a coincidence I want Jews out. I don't want them running media empires and companies.
>neo cons redpilled
>lets bomb Muslim countries for our Jewish banking friends, but we'll be moral and relocate them here

>>132735411
Yaaaaaas

>>132757293
I was conservative and liberal in the past, I realized both were based on emotional appeals. Conservatives think they are more mature and reasonable, but they think this because their positions are based in fear and threat assessment. Needed, but irrational. Libertarianism is the only actual political ideology that bases positions on reason and taking the best of certain sides.

>>132757864
I did, your thread is dumb. There's no reason monarchism is somehow a stepping stone to anarcho-capitalism other than in your own head, and your theory is based on meaningless concepts that aren't even defined such as "heritage" to make sure a king isn't tyrannical. It makes no sense and is LARPing bullshit. We already have a system of checks and balances to power, it just needs to be updated and the trash taken out.

>>132757927
We don't have a free market pal. We have a central bank and fiat currency. What you're talking about happens when a cabal gains power over the money supply, not free market.

>>132758688
>meaningless concepts that aren't even defined such as "heritage"
Maybe you don't know the definition, buddy.
> We already have a system of checks and balances to power
Not when exist the public property of gov.

>>132759113
Give us a definition, then. How does your concept of heritage keep a king from becoming tyrannical? His power is already tyrannical, he simply has to use it as such.

> Conservative/traditional/natural social order
Which is a violation of the self-ownership principle.

>>132759643
The goods, rights and obligations.
If the king want to mantain their heritage in long term, higer taxes and repression would destroy his own assets. Besides, like I said before, a class consciousness exist, not like in a democratic gov, when everyone can aspirate to take power. Democratic caretakers only have the power in 4 years, and the heritage is not their, so he think in short-term, what means having fake promises, increasing taxes, increasing spending and increases debt.

>monarchy
Sounds bretty gud desu

>>132759906
Nop.

>>132735411
Sounds good to me.

>>132737324
Oh vey! A traitor!

>>132754031
You basically repeated what I had said. Congratulations, retard.

>I'm tired, bye.
Good excuse to run away with your tail between your legs, dog.

>>132760646
There is only one thing to do:
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>>132754674
>libertarianism, i.e. property rights, free markets
>complete opposite of European Civilisation

hmmmmm

I don't know about the idea, but that flag really soothes my autism.

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"I want the best of both worlds: the ideology"
Nationalism is tied to socialism, to an extent, by its very nature.
Low taxes are not in accordance with a strong nationalist state, which will require a decent sized military.
To police degeneracy will also require a state of a size greater than libertarians may be comfortable with too.
You don't just get to pick what you want without making a cohesive idealogy to suit your feels.

>>132761370
It's normal. This flaghas taken half hour of autism.

>>132754674
"European Civilization" is faggoted. You already destroyed that by dissolving into various totalitarian systems and then fighting each other which led to the death of imperialism. We're talking about Anglo Civilization, Enlightenment values. The only civilization in existence which successfully resists tyranny.

>>132735411
This makes no sense you can't fund a monarch and have a completely free market. This is a subversive. Sage

>>132761436
>Nationalism is tied to socialism, to an extent, by its very nature.
Not really. Nation =/= state. Nation without state is possible.
>To police degeneracy will also require a state of a size greater than libertarians may be comfortable with too.
Not really. A effective and private intelligence service can deal with that.

Problem with using gold as the basis for your currency is that the Jews own much of it, thus making you beholden to the Jews. Perhaps a currency like the Reichsmark is in order.

>>132760288
So your theory is based on a rational actor in power every time. Absolute Monarchy will corrupt a lot of your kings, they will eventually not care about their heritage and use their power to their personal advantage. The system you want is a very shortlived thing, and exists only for a few generations at any one time in history, and that during a golden age where all the circumstances are met. Rome under the Five Good Emperors, etc. Short-lived things that end in tyranny and insanity. Enlightenment governments are the only thing proven to have staying-power to keep people at least somewhat free.

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>ancaps trying to this hard to be right wing
dont you have some cp to watch

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>>132761962
>Not really. Nation =/= state. Nation without state is possible.
Ok I guess but it will take some time to return to what we had before, of charity due to a feeling of connection based on empathatic nationality (ethnicity). Thats been scrubbed away pretty well by hyper individualist ideologies like your own btw, thanks fag.

>Not really. A effective and private intelligence service can deal with that.
Nosebergs goon squad eh, nice.

To me all libertarianism/ancapism is selecting for shekelgrubbers to run society.

>>132762485
At last...I TRULY see

>>132757293
お願い、死ね

>>132757873
Luxury of the social market such as being replaced by third world rapists? Good job statist. Your luxury is purchased for a limited time-scope based on borrowing the future. You are comfortable because you take what you can and distribute it, and then think through this luxury that its unlimited and begin giving it to more people, leading to an inevitable conclusion which is collapse.

>>132762141
>your theory
actually is not fully mine.
>The system you want is a very shortlived thing, and exists only for a few generations at any one time in history, and that during a golden age where all the circumstances are met
Actually it didn't happen this way. It's true that monarch used to drive up taxes, but not like happen in today democratic govs. Welfare states, higer taxes and spending, uncontrolled debt, open borders, etc. came with democracies. At leas we can agree in one thing:
Monarchy>Democracy.

>>132737280
>monarchy enforces class consciousness you dumb asshole
are you being serious?

Without Jews you'd be swinging from trees like niggers in africa.
The shittiest eastern european white countries have no jews. You should thank them for controlling your economies, media and for dominating science.

>>132762754
Self-preservation is a natural instinct and rational position. There's never any guarantee that just because you belong to an ethnicity or race you will be allowed to live or be free. What makes you think a national socialist government won't imprison you and take your assets for being a 4chan degenerate?

>>132762754
>Thats been scrubbed away pretty well by hyper individualist ideologies like your own btw, thanks fag.
So voluntarism and individualism destroyed a traditional culture based on... voluntarism and individualism.

>>132762960
yas

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>>132763129
Lying kike, eastern europe is where most of you fucks lived. You're from Israel, you should know that jews there are all from eastern europe

>>132763129
Science is the only thing there that's actually good though. Creating a fiat system is the opposite of a healthy society, and media control is pure villainy. If Jews actually used their intelligence for science and advancement, for preservation and innovation rather than destruction and stagnation anti-Semitism wouldn't exist.

>>132735411
>>Free market Laissez-faire Capitalism
Have fun with your robber barons fuckwit.

>>132762922
Rome had all the modern social ills as we do, and they weren't democratic. Your theory is irrational based on a cursory assessment of the history of civilization. You can also research how the European monarchies handed their countries over to the Rothschilds et al.

>>132760851

Fuck you, you ignorant, communist voting dumbass.

>>132763129
back to owen

>>132735411
>taxes
>libertarian

Fuck off faggot

>>132761039

Please explain how property rights are uniquely European in its conception?

Please explain how (((free markets))) have anything to do with European Civilisation.

Please, explain why you only care about European Civilisation in a materialistic, economicist and Judaizing way, you Crypto Jew?

Yeah right.
Fucking pleb.

>>132735411
>Monarchism
>Libertarianism
You do realise these two terms are contradictory? The original meaning of "Libertarian" was "Anarchist".

>>132754831

Hey, zilian.
You have no idea or knowledge of your History whatsoever.

Your only understand of heritage is the atavistic boner you get everytime you see white person on TV or something.

Your country was a joke, is a joke, and will continue to be a joke.

Please, do not talk to me like that. We are not equals. And you should at least revere your betters.

>>132735411
A better term would be "Snek Right" or "Neo-fudalism".

>>132756535

Yes. You are mostly right.
But the noise they make masturbating, using words whose meaning they can't grasp, violating logic every single chance they have... is revolting. It's shocking people with this cognitive ability can actually read.

>>132757293

They still are liberals!
They are simply too stupid to understand it.

They can't even realise how what they consider good is, in most cases, treason.
They are the enemy who thinks he's truly a friend and don't understand that we'll both die with the explosion they are about to unleash.
If only the natural world would allow them to.

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>>132765000
Not even going to bother replying since you accused me of being a communist. Learn history and economics, retard.

>>132761759

See what I said!
I bet this guy lives in a fucking trailer trash, I am sure he has no ability to think higher than "I'm angry" or "I'm sleepy". Then goes here, not only is he able to right what appears to me to be in perfect english... he makes no sense whatsoever and is not intelligent enough to understand it.

Faggoted is such a great argument! Fighting each other never produced giant leaps, nor has it been the normal in history. Imperialism is an age, after which is death... and it equates with Euro civ. Refers to enlightenment - that bunch of sick anti European ideas... and uses Anglo Civ as terminology... And then claims it "resists tyranny".

Fucking top Kek! If this is bait, you are a master, other than that, I don't understand why you are not in a mental institution. You seem to constitute a danger to others and, especially so, to yourself, as your failure to think in a simple rational way (while claiming you do!) illustrates.

>>132735411
so, almost the exact opposite of libertarianism?

>>132756305

Do you live in the United States?
Have you moved out of the United States?

For fuck sake! Even Mexico is more family oriented than the United States of today!
Are you a Mormon who believes the other 49 states are somewhat like Utah?

I really hope you guys are just joking and baiting...

>>132766017

That first comment was an insult, yes. Maybe I should have been more polite. However, what you are advocating is the path to Communism, weather you like it and understand it, or not.

>>132743691
How do you even know about De Lesquen ?

>>132736548
Read Hobbes' Leviathan. Order is not all its cracked up to by senpai. The ancap civilization you kids are dreaming of existed only a few hundred years ago.

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>>132738647
This, we can work out other details later

>>132766855
How can I be advocating for communism if I'm advocating for private property rights and, at least, limited government? Holy shit dude.

>>132766961
He said he'd ban negro music, burn the French labor code and tear down the Eiffel tower, how could I not know about him?

>>132763817
Watch this interview of Ayn Rand by Mike Wallace. In it she explains that the ACTUAL source of robber barons are the regulations themselves and not the childish notion that it is unrestrained Capitalism creating them. Which most people buy into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKsv_SX4Y