Is it actually possible to sort yourself out?

>>132734632

Killing myself within a month, so not for me.
I can't handle being a failure anymore.

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>to sort yourself out?

Not really, because the one who needs to be sorted is doing the sorting. But playing at it is sort of useful and can lead you to the new paths of thinking.

>>132734632
You get comfy with failure eventually.

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>>132734734
Poop in your room
EVERYONE JUST POOP IN YOUR ROOM

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>>132734734
Join the army, kiddo. At least you'll fail in the name of something bigger, even if not greater.

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>>132734788
You might think you do. But really, you're only tricking yourself into being comfy with failure because it's easier than facing your failure and realising you're dissatisfied with it.

>>132734780
alan watts is fucking spot on about everything.
this is the fucking answer you faggots. also ram dass.

>sort yourself out
>meanwhile all you've done turns out to be useless and you fall back to square one

A bit, but nobody lives on an island.

It's hard for the individual to be happy and well adjusted if everyone/thing around them is effed up.

It doesn't really work that way. You may luck out and meet a wonderful wife, have a wondeful family, live in a wonderful community and that will contribute biggly to your own mental wellbeing.

But the opposite is true as well. a miserable society will inevitably produce miserable people. You can't really tap-dance around that fact.

>>132734882
Yeah great idea, give somebody suicidal automatic weapons

>>132734780

spbp

>>132735321
Find purpose in death, man.

>>132734734
>2017
>didn't tried NSI 189
> no Sunifiram in a morning

lazy fuck

>>132734632
An object at rest will stay at rest, an object put into motion will stay in motion. You must be inspired to be sorted out by an outside influence, but once you've started, it is possible to be sorted out.

>>132734882

You are retarded.

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>>132734734
don't do it mr

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It's possible [enough]

>>132735081
You cunts are useless though.

>>132734632
Yes, but you have to stop being a rural and suburban retard and become an ultra high IQ city person, which is an extremely difficult process.

>>132734780
Vicious circles

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Post Peterson memes

>>132735269
i agree
t. miserable living within a miserable society

>>132735269
i live on an island

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>>132734965

>alan watts is fucking spot on about everything.

He really was a great Bodhisattva despite his personal shortcomings and flaws of character, but that's exactly the point of the whole thing.

>>132734734
Good luck!

>>132735880
sure, bud

how bout telling that to the masses here?

Fancy getting lynched by them instead?

become the jester

>>132734734
>norway
>an hero
checks out

>>132734882
fuck you retard this is why we think you are subhuman.

>>132734734
an hero on camera

>>132735923
You forgot to mention having dem nuclear codes

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>>132734734
Say no to the rope, anon! I recommend throwing yourself from a building, like the faggot you are.

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>>132734632
lol no.

>>132734632

You can only sort your shit out if you are a falliure.

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Who do you think made him cry ?

>>132734734
make sure you do a flip

>>132736279
An eyelash

>>132734965
>>132736061
I really love his dream theory

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Has jordan peterson ever said anything on coping with a breakup? Because I've got a friend who's borderline suicidal because of it and I'm trying to think of things that could help him

>>132736398
Tell your friend to stop being a pussy it's really not that hard

>>132736398
>Has jordan peterson ever said anything on coping with a breakup?
I don't think so but beer and shitposting helps

>>132735635

Where would one buy such nootropics?

>>132736398
"clean your room"

I believe

>>132734632
That's the wrong question to ask. The right question is what the alternative is should it not be possible.

Because when you look at things that way, the costs of sorting being unsorted so outweigh the cost of the attempt that you may as well just consider sorting to be in fact possible and do what you can to sort your life.

As Henry Ford said, whether you believe you can succeed or you believe you can fail, you're right.

>>132736398

>>132736398

Get him some poon that is more interesting than his ex. That's all there is to it.

>>132734734
Why would you wait?

>>132736398
Your friend is weak. Let him die.

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by sorting yourself you're basically trying to change your nature right?

now let's say you succeed isn't that worthy of the "superhuman" title?

>>132736511
he already thinks he's pathetic, he just doesn't know how to change that because he's too overwhelmed and stressed out with shit like exams that have just been delayed - they broke up during exam week and now he's make up exams in a weeks time, it's been like 3 weeks but studying's put him back in a slump since it's reminding him of her

>>132736589
>>132736631
Both of these are the only valid options

>>132734632
I tried and suffered a major setback immediately but I'm going to try again. If I succeed in sorting my shit I'll let you know.

>>132736537
Stick to the classics, anon. Your grandfather had this one figured out. Cigarettes and coffee are the best, safest, most effective nootropics there are.

>>132736680
that happened to me before so I studied drunk and tok exams on no sleep and buzzed and I aced all of them. That's when I realized that higher education is a scam

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>>132736276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1KIO2ttow

>>132736372
hahahaha, He has interesting theories and allegories but that is all they are the Fact of the matter is he is being deliberately deceptive in regards to them being "fables" This shit actually took place and we have the evidence to prove it, He wants people to rise up but only just enough to not supercede the system in place.

He is a teacher for Godsake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi5R9WI6_w0

Ask him about the reason for schooling.

>>132734734
fpbp

>>132734632
Someone actually asked the right question. No, it's not. That's why peterson is a good businessman

>>132734632
no

>>132736043

Actually...you do don't you.

This complicates my thinking a quite a bit. I need to go back and reformulate my take on this issue.

>>132736398
breakups are tough for men, women get over it pretty much on the spot. i guess it's because we have more loyal instincts.

tell him to make himself go out more, he'll find out that they are all pretty much the same. everyone is replaceable. perhaps that's the sad part.

also, if he has some money, hookers are fun. loneliness most of the time is a feeling of lack of sex.

>>132736398
Be a real friend, kick his ass and tell him to get better or kill himself like a bitch because there are countless other bitches to pick from and if he gonna feel some type of way because a bitch left him then he's no better than a bitch and he should end it like one.

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I say to Jordan Peterson BREKEKEKE KOAX KOAX

if you had the skills necessary to sort yourself out you probably wouldn't get stuck in the first place or not for long. I don't believe in free will anyways.

>>132736398
You should inform your friend about the pond.

>>132734734
>Be Norway
>Have a bunch of oil
>Still suicidal
??????????

>>132736606

Waiting to see someone I know one last time, I just want to give them one last memory (a happy one) so that they can remember me that way at least.

I know it doesn't make sense given what I will do, but it does to me (somewhat).

>>132734632
>a professor thinks he sorted himself out
>a teacher by profession
>such profoundness
0/10

>>132737346
w0wzers

I C E L A N D

Can I come to visit you?

>>132734734
>I can't handle being a failure anymore.

What is it with you faggots? For you to even exist, every single one of your pertinent ancestors had to be healthy enough to reproduce, attractive enough to find a mate, strong enough to avoid being eaten or starve to death, and lucky enough to avoid accidental death or illness before they passed on their genes.

You are the result of an unbroken chain, spanning hundreds of millions of years of good fortune, given a fleeting opportunity to exist, an opportunity that you will never get again. And what do you do with this gift? "Hurr best kill myself cos life isnt as easy as my mommy told me it would be." Get fucked asshole, if you insist on killing yourself, do it quietly. Nobody here actually cares and you wont be missed. Do it or I dunno, actually work hard at making the life you want.

>>132736669
By sorting yourself out, you are accepting your nature.

>>132737452
You are so selfish. You realize they will always remember you poorly from that last visit. You're looking for the coward's way out that will hurt your family more than anyone else.

>>132737488
Really nice place, if you can stomach the food

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I should also mention he's never had a relationship last more than 3 months and he's questioning if he's even good enough to have a relationship work out - since he's feeling this shit just from a 3 month relationship he's terrified of how he could feel if a relationship that lasted a year or two would do to him

When he talks of trying to find someone else, he frames it as him doing it so he can 'redeem himself'. He's got some deeper anxiety and insecurity issues which are most likely tied to self worth - and I think relying on having a partner to give yourself worth is a dangerous state of existence

>>132734632

yes

>>132734734

Can I have your stuff?

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>>132737756
>since he's feeling this shit just from a 3 month relationship he's terrified of how he could feel if a relationship that lasted a year or two would do to him
Tell him to get some advice from a fellow auzzie, pic related

No as soon as one contextual frame is 'sorted' a new one reappears. You need to pick a really lofty goal.

>>132737756
gee, he sounds like a pussy

>>132737668

I know, I said it doesn't make sense. You are right about being selfish and a coward, I don't deny that.

>>132737631

That doesn't change how I feel inside. Rationalization doesn't help if you are broken. I feel I must kill myself, there isn't much to rationalize about it. It's fucked up but it is what it is.

>>132737939

Thats the point, first you clean your room, then you clean up the streets

>>132736004

Get the fuck out of this country faggot, we need warriors for the upcoming years not whiny pussies.

>>132738029
suicide will only bring shame and sorrow to your family. do something to make them proud of you.

>>132734632
Yes. I did:
-get redpilled
-no fap
-clean your room
-stop degeneracy
-drink less

>>132737631
Same thing can be said about every niggers or poo on earth. Not an argument

It is possible to be happy. It is possible to be in tune with your reptilian brain, sublimate your mammalian brain through Jesus, and use your primate brain to forge positive connections to the world you inhabit.
Some people make it their life's work to impede that process in others.
Jordan Peterson is a good goy.

>>132738205
yeah cause our culture is so worth defending.
fuck this place and fuck these savages. i only care about my family and friends. the rest of this violent, dirty, alcoholic, supersticious, retarded shithole can burn.

>>132738029
You are rotten to be so evil. Just do it now, the world will be better off without you. "Oh, poor me, i'm too broken for this world." Fuck you, you piece of shit. You are beneath contempt for that attitude alone. Your sense of self importance is so wildly inflated it's a wonder you manage the self awareness to even consider that there are other people. I bet you're an only child, too.

>>132737488
>Romania
hmmm, okay. I've been to Romania too, pretty nice place .
>>132737711
No one actually regularly eats the old weird food here that vikings and old farmers made to survive the harsh climate which is now advertised to tourists like hrútspungar, hákarl or svið.
We have pretty westernized food and some good national ones like skyr and hangikjöt.

>>132736043
Q

>>132737151

This right here.

But there are factors that come into play when it comes to replacing someone; age for instance.

>>132738029
>I feel I must kill myself
The world is literally filled with retards like you. I mean, its not like its hard to succeed when we have a generation of people like you to compete with.

Does this not give you hope Anon? All you need to do is realise you are broken because you have fundamental and crippling character flaws that are 90% likely to be products of a well-meaning, but undoubtedly poor upbringing. I'm making great money doing a job I love, and honestly im not even that talented! Its just that my competition is, well, people like you. Its too easy anon.

>>132734734
Are you going to overtake Breivik highscore?

Isn't the whole Peterson thing just a cult? Feels like a cult.

>>132738552
Q

>>132734632
One thing I don't agree with Peterson is his statement that MGTOW is for cowards and that you should change to appease women. How is it fair that all women have to do to get a mate is spread their legs where as guys have to be at least 6'0, make six figures, and be in perfect shape? I can't change myself to have any of.tjose qualities.

>>132738281

> fails to understand argument
> fails to provide an argument
> NOT AN ARGUMENT!!

You need to Stefan Molyneux more

>>132738464
>No one actually regularly eats the old weird food here that vikings and old farmers made to survive the harsh climate
We have some pretty shit food here as well, I'm not a fan of fish, I just found it hard to find a good steak. Overall good place to visit though

>>132738648
I think those are just the ones who grew up without a father.

>>132738871
Q

>>132734632

only if you take a leap of faith and cut your old way of life off. You can't improve if you keep doing the old shit.

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>>132737978
which is precisely why I want to find things to help him sort himself out - I think if he just got into another relationship right now it'd be a placebo and his issues would just show up again eventually

They broke up because of a combination of communication/compatibility issues (she had low autism and would miss social cues and say combative/aggressive things without realizing it), and he would share his insecurities about the relationship with her that just stressed her out. During exam period he started getting insecure over the most trivial things and physically couldn't stop himself from telling her (because even though he could tell it was trivial, not saying anything was too physically distressing).
She couldn't take it anymore but instead of telling him that she held it in (because she's got a fear of conflict and wanted to wait until exams were over), which ultimately made it blow up. A week later they met up to talk things out and even though she still loved him and they had breakup sex she didn't want to give him another chance because she didn't think it would work our.

>>132734734
When you commit suicide, why don't you go over to Sweden first and slaughter some niggers on the way out?

>>132738721

Hes already evolved his opinion on MGTOW

Basically he thinks you all need help and the people selling MGTOW are malicious predators.

>>132738214

I already to that now. I'm too weak. Like I said, I am a failure, a coward and selfish.

But at the same time I feel like I don't owe anybody to continue an existence of misery for the sake of others. I am very very sorry for my parents, but it's too much for me to handle.

>>132734734
Do it in front of your family.

>>132734734
Isn't being a failure in Norway no big deal with all your gibs?

>>132739000
people selling MGTOW are like beta feminists. They can't compete in any real setting so they become kings of the flies instead.

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>after attempted suicide 6 years ago, making slow recovery
>got /fit/
>quit anti depressives last fall
>started socializing and making friends
>acing the uni
>somehow managing to keep myself afloat with all the endless doubt, low self-confidence without the help of medications

I don't know where I'm going, but I think it's possible to at least move yourself from the mud you're stuck in

>>132734632
No pc/tv/phone after 22 o'clock.

Instant life changer.

No sugar what so ever. Any sugar. Even sugar fram juice.

Instant life changer.

Drink green tea.

Instant life changer.

These 3 things will change 90% of your bad habits.

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>>132738433

Good, stay at home away from people and contaminating the country with your right nihilistic thoughts and tendencies.

Or better yet, migrate to the US or Europe and become only another beaner who cowardly run from his country for 'greener pastures'.

>>132739343
Pretty much.

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>>132738241
Wait.

THAT is the genius shit you can learn from genius Jordan Peterson?

Literally what everyone learns when they're 12. don't masturbate too much, keep your room decent, don't be gross.

wtf

>>132734632
Yes. Provided an individual does one crucial thing, and that is to embrace the lessons that failure offer.

Too many people have A. a crippling fear of failure and B. an inability to learn from mistakes.

Life is a competition, and the people who win at it learn from defeats and fight for what they want in life.

>>132738594

I am a failure in life, you are not.

It's easy to think people can change so easily, but in the end, even you must recognize that there must be some people at the bottom of society.

>>132739343

If you are just looking to survive, sure. I have never been on welfare, even when I could have. Politically I dislike the welfare state, but that is another topic.

>>132736945
he does want us to supercede the system in place, he's going to crowdsource education

>>132739218
I've been there myself, and occssionally shit might still boil down to that one question. However, in that state you are basically saying that it can't get worse or that you won't be able to handle it if it gets worse. That leaves you a remarkable freedom for experimentation and self-reflection while you still have the option of cancelling everything. Are you sure you've given it your best go?

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Y'know I'm glad Peterson is motivating people to take control of their lives, like good shit.

I just wish he didn't have to do it with ideological fear mongering

>>132739218
You should be angry at your parents. If they had raised you correctly, you wouldn't be miserable.

>>132736398
Yeah he has stepped through the thin ice and fallen into the underworld where he is currently encountering chaos. Tell him to stop being a faggot and fight the dragon in the depths and it's his fault that he didn't go outside the gates of the city to fight it before it became a bigger issue. But that's done now, he should clean his room and work on moving up the dominance hierarchy to be more attractive to females.

>>132734734
hvor er du fra? Ikke gjor det anon. Ostfold fag her, ganske depressiv jeg og, men nekter å gi opp.

Yes, but it doesn't happen overnight. It's taken me 3 years and I'm only half sorted out. Required a good cocktail of literature, philosophy, lifting psychedelics and feminine support.

Still got a long way to go, but way more "sorted out" than i was before.

>>132739343
>Isn't being a failure in Norway no big deal with all your gibs?
Probably better than Canada, I know a bunch of suicidal fags here, and our gibs suck. Your can't live off the shit here, I got a 700$ welfare cheque once, that was enough to get a job

>>132735269
You think we're supposed to be happy and well-adjusted?

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>>132739504

>born in the shadow of boomer logic
>wages are low, education expensive
>real jobs have all been sent to the third world
>HR industry and hiring process is hell to go through
>television/liberalism has created a generation of vapid peers
>cuts to education in the 90s means it wasn't as good as in the past
>everything is commodified and hyperreal
>late-capitalist society completely alienates from anything that could mean 'human'

another baby boomer fucking comes along:

"it's all your fault! Just clean your room and sort yourself out! Don't look at society critically!"

>>132738433
>yeah cause our culture is so worth defending.
considering it's the only culture that gives you the freedom to think otherwise, yes it is

>>132739878
>lifting psychedelics and feminine support

ay, drugs can be useful for a bit of experimenting, you notice and think about things your straight mind wouldn't even look at

dunno about feminine support tho ;_;

>>132739504
i'm genuinely curious. what do you find of value in our society? whatever little value i find here i can easily find in a western country which has tons more of. i won't migrate because i have property that i can claim my own here and people to take care of. the government does shit for me and yet i have to pay tons of taxes to those thieves.

>>132739820
>cultural Marxists are actually trying to destroy the world
>pointing that out is fear mongering
Fuck you. Adorno was a culture vulture in the truest sense. He actively wanted the destruction of Western civilization, he was just clever enough to attempt to use civilization to attack itself.

Honestly, a lot of the time I think the "jews did everything" /pol/ gets on about is nonsense, but when it comes to the Frankfurt school, holy shit /pol/ is right.

>>132739995

I would literally still be a video gaming incel bluepill faggot if it wasn't for LSD (and mushrooms).

LSD redpilled me, redpill made me lift and eat properly. Looking good and having confidence and not acting like a faggot all the time got me a girlfriend. Girlfriend got me laid and gave me all the unconditional warm love my mother never gave me. Slowly healing from there.

>>132740165
any tips on LSD, I'm planing on getting it this fall
consuming in the woods, in apartment etc?

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>>132740036
The Cultural Marxism meme needs to end. It really doesn't make any sense. Have you even read Adorno, Habermas, et al?

>>132739448
Even your bad habits are weak. They wouldn't make a dent in mine.

>>132739941

>cuts to education in the 90s means it wasn't as good as in the past

Did they cut spending or did it only go up 7% per year instead of the 12% increase you wanted?

>>132740309
>The Cultural Marxism meme needs to end
Get fucked commie.

>>132740309
I wouldn't waste my time with their poison, but their ideological tree is clear. Especially Marcuse, but also Alinsky, who was a Frankfurt school protege. We see they implemented Gramsci's praxis, and we know what Derrida did when he came to America after the foundations were laid by the Frankfurt school at Columbia.

The fact of the matter is history is more probative in this case than political philosophy, especially when every post structuralist is actively working to obfuscate what they have to say anyway because they're terrified another will deconstruct their deconstruction.

>>132739812

I think I am getting too old for things to drastically change in a positive direction. It's been getting worse, because I recognize at some point that misery is like a virus around you.

I used to have friends, but at some point people move on it their life, and there is a sort of mutual disassociation. I recognize that at some point the continuing friendship just exists as an artifact of the memory they have of me.
This will perhaps make more sense to people as you get older and it's a bit difficult to describe.

>>132739843

Bergen. Bra du ikke gir opp. Jeg skjonner "stotten" fra folk, og jeg hadde sagt det samme til alle andre i samme situasjon.

>>132739941
shouldn't you be out there committing violent crimes with your comrades?

They're burning Hamburg as we speak.

see my flag

>>132738648
Nah it's just a Harvard/UofT tier professor giving out content that most of us haven't had access to for free. And he puts out quite a bit of it and does a pretty great job of summarizing vast amounts of fairly difficult to digest literature, and packaging it into something an average IQ beta can understand. Quite refreshing honestly, but I get how it isn't everyone's cup of tea.

>>132740233

your first time you do it by yourself in your apartment with no one else there. You take double the recommended dose, (so 2-300ug depending on your size). You put a voice recorder on and you talk to yourself what you're thinking the whole time. When you're able to write, you get a diary and write down everything you're thinking.

You leave yourself another day after to recover. Don't do it the day before you have to work or go to school or whatever. 2 days recovery free at least, 1 to do LSD, one to recover.

Also eat a big meal beforehand as your appetite will be shot while tripping.

>>132739752
>even you must recognize that there must be some people at the bottom of society.

Yes there are. And this makes me happy. My success comes at the expense of other people, without a hierarchy what would the point of hard work be?

What you need to recognise is, that people at the bottom of society are there for a reason, they are failed humans. It could be due to birth defects, serious mental illness..... or more commonly personality flaws. 8 years ago, I was single, I had no job, no girlfriend, I weighed over 400lbs, no education. Anon, I wont tell you that I am now cut, rich with a 10/10 GF. But I have a good job with a good wage, a hobby that I get paid to do when i am not working, a GF I love with a child on the way.

And you know why? Because I realised that actually, I could change. And its taken nearly a decade to get where I am, it will take another decade to reach my potential, but you know what? I'm happy.

You are fucking pathetic. If you kill yourself, its completely unnecessary. You arent broken, you are fucking lazy and entitled. But dont try pretend to yourself, or anybody else here that you are a lost cause with no other options. If you an hero, at least be fucking real with yourself

>>132734632
Why is this christfag shilled around here so much? Contract with a shill farm?

>>132740668
well, this post>>132740698
makes me thing we really should extend undergrad to everyone for free. I had my 4 years like all middleclass people do, and I really didn't think it was that great, there were Jordan Peterson profs all about giving far more nuanced information on topics actually, and I took it for granted. The way everyone here is so excited for some real information from academia (not some fucking amateur podcast) makes me kind of sad?

>>132739941
Good critique of how hairbrained communists are if that was your aim. Otherwise you're retarded.

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>>132740511
Frankfurt School weren't even Commies. Using Marx=/=Communist. Their work is aimed at deconstructing Communist ideology as well as Capitalist.

>>132740532
>I wouldn't waste my time with their poison
>I wouldn't waste my time reading influential books
>but their ideological tree is clear
You mean in their ideology that is explicitly attempting to be anti-ideological? Comparing material conditions to ideological narratives is ideological?

>We see they implemented Gramsci's praxis
But Gramsci was correct, his theory even works when applied to the Communist regimes.

>every post structuralist is actively working to obfuscate what they have to say anyway because they're terrified another will deconstruct their deconstruction
Now you're just talking out of your ass. Any actual post-structuralist is going to *want* their work to be deconstructed. The whole point is trying to purge ideology in order to reveal reality.

You've done little to actually talk about the philosophy they were trying to articulate, you're only attacking a (totally baseless) ideological narrative.

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>>132739633
Yep. As shallow as a mud puddle. "get a haircut, hippie!" that's /pol/

>>132740233
With good friends and nowhere dangerous you will get stuck in a loop trying order quiznos or get hit by a car.

Its best indoors if you give yourself something to do like draw or watch tv.

With friends and someone sober.

>>132740926
Interestingly, that seems to be Dr. Peterson's new initiative, as he is of the opinion that Academia is completely lost to postmodernism, critical race theory, and so forth. He wants to give the general population access to accredited liberal arts education via the internet at a tenth the cost of a State university.

If he can succeed, we may be looking at Universities destroyed forever, and the West truly saved from their rot.

>>132741045
there was literally nothing wrong with my post

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>>132739752
Are you fucking kidding me? You are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by failure here. You have never been in better company. This is a home for failure.

>>132740309
I did. And that made me a Marxian.
The Frankfurt School is so fucking wrong.
They were desperately trying to salvage the "good" parts of marxism after Soljenitsyne and failed to understand that critical theory made their neo-marxism into a dogmatic ideology.
It's impossible to falsify the existence of the power dynamics they try to erase and so, they just made collectivism into an even more toxic ideology that it already was.

The real stupidity comes, as usual, from Hegelian ethics, which even Nietzsche could see were bullshit centuries ago.

I just hope people will realize that it's destructive without bloodshed this time.

>>132740831

I understand what you are saying, and all I will say is that you don't know much about my life.

I think if you knew more about me and my reasoning or even the true cause of my depression, you would understand better.

>>132741148
>You mean in their ideology that is explicitly attempting to be anti-ideological?
That's still ideology. Systemic thought cannot be eradicated unless you eradicate thought itself.

>>132741272
It is a little bit amusing that he is so against post-modernism in 2017. It was actually in the late 70s and 80s, as Derrida was giving lectures and people like Paul de Man were working at Yale that academics were freaking out that poststructuralism/postmodernism was going to destroy everything. Of course, it didn't destroy everything and they all chilled out.

I have absolutely no idea why Peterson jumped into the debate 30 years late lol.
Another peculiar thing is that he teaches in psychology, the most populated major in higher education, made up of nearly all females. This group is generally mocked and looked down upon by the right-wing, but when /pol/ gets a glimpse of a standard psych 101 class, they have themselves a new hero.

>>132741148
Wrong, because post structuralists don't believe in reality. They are extremist relativists. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say they believe that everything is reality, so whatever anyone else says is reality both is and isn't. It's a self destructive ideology on the face of it. And yes, it is an ideology. They're just cleverly trying to avoid their own criticism by pretending to be something else. They're like nondenominational Christians whose denomination is nondenominational.

Oh, and they absolutely, unequivocally were communists. And jews.

Gramsci, on the other hand, may have been correct. But it is irrelevant. What he really wanted was to collapse Western society because he viewed it as unjust. AND THEN THE CULTURAL MARXISTS WENT AND DID IT.

And that's really the heart of our argument. You're acting like the heroin addict who insists no one can criticize heroin unless they have used it first. I'm acting like the cop who points out heroin use has completely ruined your life. I don't have to consume your poison to see that it is poison. There isn't a thing that ever came out of postmodernism, cultural Marxism, or any related ideology that was ever good. Not one. They even build it into their language on purpose, because that is after all what they do. They call it deconstruction. Not construction. They destroy. They do not build.

>>132741349
>wahh it's not my fault I can't make my life better because society isn't fair mummy

>>132741272
Posts like these are evidence that universities really do ought to be free. Peterson doesn't even seem to realize that post-modernism was the natural evolution of modernist philosophy.

>>132741375
>critical theory made their neo-marxism into a dogmatic ideology
A strange statement, given that they, in way, created the tools necessary to expose ideology in the first place. Critical Theory only invites more critical theory in return.

>It's impossible to falsify the existence of the power dynamics
Perhaps I'm misreading this-- but isn't one of the main tenants of Critical Theory to compare ideology with material conditions? That seems to be the core of the dialectic for them.
It seems very easy, then, to discern powers structures?

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>>132734734
Don't do it bro. There is purpose in struggle, a relief to suffering.

>>132741390
I dont know or care about your life. And its because in your time on this earth, you have produced nothing of consequence. Its the same reason why nobody will give a shit if you do actually kill yourself, except your parents. And in fairness, they will mostly be upset because they wont understand how they could love someone so much, yet have that person turn into a monumental screw up.

This is your reality anon. You will not be missed.

And its entirely your fault. Nobody can change it except you.

>>132741552
I think it's Peterson who said that you cannot remove subjectivity in thought without removing the subject. But since each of us is a subject, that becomes impossible.

You seem to think like a Frenchman.

>>132741910
Marxists are weird, they talk a lot about how to expose ideology, yet they don't use their tools on themselves.

Dialectics are a spook my friend.

Not all issues cannot be solved through synthesis because sometimes, the people you see as oppressed are just wrong.

>>132734916
No, it's easier to be a failure than to work hard and succeed.

I'm a failure. That's not hard to achieve at all. I resign to being a failure because enrolling in college and working two jobs to pay tuition and mortgage is too demanding for me to want to engage that life. I'd rather just be a dropout and make only 50k and live in my 1k/sqft house and be thankful for what I have.

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Sorted!

>>132741891
if you believe that you'd have to believe rural white americans are just stupid and retarded as they keep dying from opium.

you'd have to believe it is their DNA that makes them act this way. As it certainly couldn't be the death of industry, coal mining, mass media, poverty, societal degeneracy. No, none of that has any affect on them. They just need to sort themselves out!

>>132741663
I don't think your analysis is correct. I think that /pol/ got behind him originally because he was standing up against transvestites, which /pol/ also opposes. But he very quickly discovered why transvestites were a problem, and then he followed that down the rabbit hole to what the foundation of their ideology was. Their philosophical justification for actively tearing down society. And guess what? He found what we've been saying all along, although he still won't name (((them))).

Meanwhile, though he does teach a meme field (with the most meme class I've ever seen, I mean those maps of meaning lectures are pathetic. How the fuck does pinnocchio become college level art) he is also undeniably brilliant and articulates opposition to cultural Marxism in a way that was heretofore unseen in an Academic.

>>132742204
>I resign to being a failure

Everybody take note. When you strip all the feelings and unfair world and "muh depression" away, this is what it all comes down to. Fucking laziness, people who cant live in a world where shit isnt handed to them.

>>132738648

Cult of personality maybe but that doesnt make anything he's saying any less valid. He's explaining really obvious things most of the time but through a mind thats way, way more articulate.

>>132742158
As I should, I'm too much of a materialist to agree with Petersen's epistemiology. I think even he is too much of a subjectivist.
But I do mostly agree with his critic of marxism and post modernist ideology.

What's funnier is that it was us who invented critical theory of all people.

>>132741910
>the natural evolution
Ah. Dialectical materialism masking as teleology. It is precisely because of you that we should have competing ideas. Your whig history notions of inevitability will be so empirically trashed you'll be embarrassed to ever leave your mother's basement again.

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>>132741839
>Or perhaps it's more accurate to say they believe that everything is reality, so whatever anyone else says is reality both is and isn't.
You misunderstand. It's really not as if the Frankfurts believed that anything anyone said or consciously thought was reality. Reality was not merely a willed thing.

Instead, a lot of their work focused on how ideology constructed an individual's view of reality. The ideology becomes the reality. This is where the intersectional relativism steps in.

>They're just cleverly trying to avoid their own criticism by pretending to be something else
Could you back this up? They seemed plenty critical of Communism.

>Gramsci, on the other hand, may have been correct. But it is irrelevant
Why? Because his end-goal wasn't agreeable? That doesn't automatically make his work useless.
Also, if you agree with Gramsci's critique, you're in many ways agreeing with the Frankfurt's project. It's not Cultural Marxism. It can be used for Marxist ends, but even that doesn't suddenly null their ideas.
Not engaging with them is the lazy, unthinking man way's out.

>blah blah deconstruction=destruction!
No. I am a researcher trying to understand how the world gets filtered through hegemonic ideology. You're the unthinking cow who mistakes the cure for the poison.
Do you even Dialectics? Have you even tried to engage with le sniff-man, a Frankfurt heir?

>>132742558
Savage.

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>>132734734
Moron by just being born in Norway you are winner in life.

>>132739941
A good leaf post for once
A rarity

>>132738029
Gor det ikke!

>>132742327
As if both can't be true. As if being flawed internally and having difficult external circumstances means that instead of picking up your burden and trying to make something worthwhile of yourself in the face of suffering, you should just sit around and bitch about society or willfully succumb to your wretched fate. So easy to tell by your outlook that you're a miserable faggot.

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>>132740763
will do

>>132742513
Well, yes. I really don't blame the French postwar atheist existentialists, though. Theodicy is a bitch, especially when your nation gets wrecked in two World Wars, back to back. On the other hand, Sartre was still a son of a bitch, and probably would have been anyway. And Camus died too soon to tell us what he really thought.

>>132741390
I have advice for you, Anon. Whenever somebody upsets you, just punch them in the face. The worst that happens is you go to jail, and the best that happens is you get away with something fun and maybe build more confidence while doing so.

At this point, you don't have anything to lose really.

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>>132738029
Go see a shrink. You can start education as a 50 year old here in Norway and get a decent job. It's actually never too late in this welfare paradise.

>>132738648

He is a persuasive speaker and knows how to use internet media to his advantage but other than that he is no Stefan Molyneux (who pressures followers to donate money and lies about his financial state to get more donations, tells people to DeFOO etc.)

>>132742191
>yet they don't use their tools on themselves
You can blame the Frankfurts for not being critical on themselves enough, sure, but Academia surely hasn't. I don't know why you're acting as if there haven't been critiques of Marxists or neo-Marxists.

>Dialectics are a spook my friend.
Can you explain how?

>the people you see as oppressed are just wrong
Could you use examples or a scenario before you go full spookman?

>>132742558
Somebody's feeling pretentious today.
I mean inevitable because, in retrospect, they're pretty reasonable reactions to Marx, Hegel, and Heidegger. It just makes sense that the Frankfurt School, and post-modernism as a whole, emerged. It's a casual statement anon, don't get your panties in a bunch.

>>132742689
> Born in the 1% of the world's population
> Live in a culture that offers more equality of opportunity than any that's ever existed before
> WAAAH LIFES TOO HARD! TIME TO KILL MYSELF

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>>132742594
>Have you even tried to engage with le sniff-man
I tried to but he threw a crumpled up Stalin poster at me jumped into a dumpster

>>132742733
they are both true. BUT, the material conditions always proceed the subject, and interpellate the subject to be a certain way. So even the idea that you can handle external conditions is based on the fact that the you were only ever socialized within those same material conditions to be a certain way.

>>132743022
>examples
Lyzenkoism.

>>132742817
>Camus died too soon to tell us what he really thought
I mean, he left behind five novels and what basically amounts to a manifesto, a philosophical work, and other non-fiction and short-fiction works. There's a lot to work with.

>>132742594
I'm an historian, not a political philosopher on purpose. Because I can see the fruits of cultural Marxism as easily as anyone who just cares to look, and they are not good. History, on the other hand, gives us the tools to understand who wanted to destroy the West, how they have gone about it, and even why. I don't need to play their little games to see what they have done. You have fallen into the ultimate trap of post modernism. By removing any objective criteria for what is good or bad, you leave only the ultimately subjective: to what degree do your peers agree with your opinions. Since you operate in an echo chamber of groupthink that has been building into a self fulfilling cycle for decades, the lot of you all just constantly agree with your own bullshit and think that makes you smart. It doesn't, though. It makes you just as brainwashed as you accuse everyone else of. And in the meantime, society continues to spiral ever faster toward the dream based on your obviously wrong headed ideas of race, gender, homosexuality, and so forth. Oh, and especially of atheism, or really anti-theism.

It's rich that you'd criticize me by saying, "blah blah," though. You're a cultural Marxist!

>>132742513
>I do mostly agree with his critic of marxism and post modernist ideology.

Well fuck me

Are you really French?

q

>>132742733
if that >>132743135
isn't clear, just think that you're trying to escape the only thing you have ever known and has made you who you are. Which could be define as reality. "sort yourself out" is to escape reality.

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Well now thanks to based Peterson post-structursalism is equated completely with Derrida, so now you have people who haven’t read any books saying shit like “hurr durr dey be denying reality”. Good luck getting any of these low IQ Kekistani shitposters getting to read actually redpill literature like Deleuze, Daudrillard, R.D. Laing and Nick Land which are all legitimate genius tier, as opposed to Peterson’s epigonism of Douglas and Moore who were doing his shtick since the late 80’s.

>>132743298
You'd be suprised, the French in general are quite opposed to say, identity politics.
We like our socialism, but we are quite liberal (classically) on social issues.

For now.
I hope the imported american campus nonsense will never get popular.

>>132742398

The tranny bullshit was secondary to me, although important for free speech, a fight that was ultimately lost. This man is a psycologist, a poet and a self help guru at the same time.

Also, Pinnochio is a modern day biblical story and basically the same as any hero story, which are in themselves bite sized life lessons.

>>132743251
It's worse, though. They aren't just innocently wrong. They know on some level how incorrect they are, they just like to use ideas as weapons. For instance, how many of the leftists in Canada actually give a damn about what pronouns a tenth of a tenth of one percent of the population feels like using? They just understand it's one more way to browbeat straight white males to the ultimate end of collapsing Western society forever.

And like all communist revolutionaries, they believe they'll rule the wreckage after the collapse. And like all communist revolutionaries, they're wrong. Which, incidentally, is another huge part of the reason that Peterson is so accepted. He understands where tyrannies like this lead. He's been quite explicit about the sort of person who thinks that if just they had been in charge, communism would have worked right.

>>132743135
And that is a better message to deliver to someone who is struggling than read great books and integrate hero mythology into your own life to make your suffering worth it and at the very least go down swinging? It's not as if I don't get what you're saying, but does absolutely fuck all to take away any value from what Jordan Peterson is providing for people.

>>132742398
that's fair, it sounds like you watched the progression a bit closer, desu my idea was more optimistic that you all just hate trannies lol.

You know it's a real shame he is in the field of psychology, a flawed field b/c it alway individuates the subject, and fits so nicely into neo-liberal cultural ideology and logic. It really does limit him to 'sort yourself out' kinds of problem solving.

>>132743824
I don't think that's the point, though. I think the metapoint is that all stories are archetypal in a Jungian sense, and so they're all biblical. But they're also all not biblical. So it's almost as if someone dared Peterson to teach the class using the most ridiculous example they could think of, and he was just sort of like "okay."

>>132743855
See I doubt that

And when in doubt i always side with Napoleon, it's not malice, it's just stupidity.

>>132734632
DAILY REMINDER THAT (((PETERSON))) IS A CHRIST-DENYING KIKE AND A LIAR
HE PUSHES LIES AND FEEDS FEEBLE MINDS NONSENSE THAT PULLS THEM AWAY FROM GOD AND CHURCH
HE IS AN OCCULTIST AND MATERIALIST WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD AND DENIES RESURECTION

>>132743920
Maybe, but as a professor he also is an expert in teaching. His andragogy may well revolutionize higher learning in the West, if he can manage it. Perhaps we're looking at a system that fulfills the promise that MOOCs had ten or fifteen years ago.

>>132734734
(You) if u cry reading this

>>132744150
Im not a christian but I dislike him and his "cultural christianity" bs. He is a materialist as you say

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>>132743068
kek

>>132743251
It's hard to call Lyzenko "the oppressed", though.
Furthermore, it's not as if dialectics simply take the oppressed's world view as correct, that's just not what the method does.

>>132743284
>I don't need to play their little games to see what they have done
>"I don't need to think or actually engage with critiques or philosophy; I have my ideology to that for me!"

>By removing any objective criteria for what is good or bad, you leave only the ultimately subjective
Part of the whole point was to reveal that there wasn't anything objective to begin with. You can also still have post-modern ethics.

>to what degree do your peers agree with your opinions
That's very true of how society works, but not so much the Frankfurts or post-modernists. You act as if academic study and criticism operates in an echo-chamber devoid of all criticism, when it's really the opposite. You still have to put forth an argument that makes sense, or else you're a laughing stock.

>Since you operate in an echo chamber of groupthink that has been building into a self fulfilling cycle for decades, the lot of you all just constantly agree with your own bullshit and think that makes you smart
Pure ideology. Where are you getting this baseless narrative from? You don't realize that the Frankfurts and post-modernists disagree all the time?

>society continues to spiral ever faster toward the dream
The accerationists are very excited, it's true. I for one and pretty fucking horrified of what's happening. On one side, you get people like you: totally ignorant and unwilling to engage with philosophy because of muh ideology. On the other, you get SJWs: totally ignorant and unwilling to engage with philosophy because of muh ideology.

You claim to be a historian, but you don't seem to know your history very well.

>It's rich that you'd criticize me by saying "blah blah" though
Because you used a drawn-out, pretentious, and irrelevant metaphor to say literally nothing?

>>132744057
Alright, then take Lysenko himself. Do you think that Stalin really believed in Lysenko and was just sort of benevolently wrong when his rejection of genetics caused worse and worse starvation? Or do you think that Stalin realized it was bullshit and he wanted to starve people? Joseph Stalin.

>>132744150
It's tough because I have had this nagging sensation in the back of my mind as well, but he says so many on point and correct things. And at the point where society is today, it's hard not to feel refreshed listening to him because literally everyone else is insane.

>>132743882
I guess you could distill what I'm saying (structural marxism btw) to: change the world, not yourself just yourself.

for example, if all the jobs you reasonably can be expected to have are terrible, is it your fault? Or. is the problem that the jobs are all bad?

So try as hard as you want to sort yourself out, but what will you be left with say in West Virginia? A job at wal-mart and kids and a wife that only liek watching trashy television?

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>>132734632
I haven't heard a word he has said. And I never will. I can't take seriously a guy with the demeanor of a nigger, always wearing suspenders or having a hand in his pocket, leaning over etc.

>>132743855
>For instance, how many of the leftists in Canada actually give a damn about what pronouns a tenth of a tenth of one percent of the population feels like using?
You're on the right path! You're on your way to critiquing ideology!
>They just understand it's one more way to browbeat straight white males to the ultimate end of collapsing Western society forever.
You lost it, and fell into an even worse trap.

>>132744491
lmao ive had a few beers.

*Not just yourself*

>>132741663

>flag

you leafs really are retarded aren't you? Peterson's entire cult following began whenever he started publicly opposing that retarded c16 bill that your country passed and from there everyone who has been thinking the same thing finally found someone who could articulate intellectually everything wrong with western society. He isn't really thirty years late I don't think, the bill is what created the persona we now see

>>132744311
It also works the other way around, sometimes the oppressed is just right.
My problem is that people use critical theory as a way to forego their materialism and start to view logic through a subjective lens, when it's not.

It's more of a problem with how Hegelj thinks the slave has a double view (for some stupid reason) than critical theory itself, but it's still a bad tool for inquiry because it's so prone to the cultural bias the method wants to repress.

The scientific method works better anyways.

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>>132736061
>

Self Sorting 101 Syllabus:

Alan Watts, Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Daniel Ingram, Bob Ross

>>132744311
You're straw manning my position. I do not have to wade into this hyperspecific form of political philosophy because I have something better: facts. A hundred years ago you may have been able to argue Marxism on a philosophical level, but today we've had over a hundred million deaths directly attributable to it. I don't need to read Das Kapital (which Marx barely managed to write at all, btw) to see all the blood.

And insofar as post modernists disagree, it is only from within the framework of postmodernism. It's like saying the mullahs of Iran disagree with one another. While I'm sure it's true, they're still all bloodthirsty shiite muslims.

Oh, and tacking on a bit of horseshoe theory is cute.

Which is why I actually think it's quite useful to look at a psychological critique of post modernists. They use classical psychological projection. The easiest way to spot what a postmodernist is thinking is to look for what he accuses others of.

>>132734632
If you were born with the right predispositions, yes.
But ask yourself this, is the reward worth the effort?

>>132744371
Stalin wasn't cruel for no reason, he was just an opportunist autocrat. I think he just let Lysenko get away with his shit because he thought he was the expert he claimed to be.

But heh, what does it matter anyways. We should denounce bad ideas whether or not they are maliciously bad or not.

>>132744768
>Daniel Ingram
Didn't expect to see that here. What's your take on magick?

>>132743757
hey man no need to be intellectually elitist about it. People flock to peterson to try and improve themselves. Sort out the philosophical bullshit later, we have problems to fix rn.

>>132744528
What an interesting way of saying you're fond of your ignorance

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>>132744529
>You lost it, and fell into an even worse trap.
According to your ideology.

Which isn't an ideology, though, because you totally say it super isn't.

Because all ideology is bad.

Except the one that says all ideology is bad.

But it's cool because, as Sokal showed us, you can just lie and use enough buzzwords that no one else will be able to understand what you're saying, and that immunizes you against anyone deconstructing your deconstruction. Don't forget, 80% of papers in your field aren't cited even once!

>>132744491
I have a friend from WV, I've been to his home town it is an absolute drug riddled shit hole but he worked odd jobs, saved up money, got a degree from the community college and works some construction management job. He takes younger guys from the neighborhood under his wing and tries to keep them away from meth and pills and provides them as much wisdom as possible. Some of them don't heed his advice and fall into the abyss but it's still worth it to him to alleviate every bit of suffering that he can.

>realize life is endless suffering
>pick up your burden and do something to justify the suffering
>alleviate the suffering of those in your direct vicinity

I do believe he is a "special" person, his IQ above average for the area most likely, but it isn't like that's completely deterministic anyway. He could have used that to be a drug kingpin or crooked local politician and made things worse. There are enough people making things worse, and JPs message is that if more people try and make things better maybe the world wouldn't be such shit.

>>132744528
>

whut? there is a youtube bestof Jordan Peterson, it opens with a spontaneous confrontation with a SJW yelling in his face about fascism, he calmly focuses on her and brings it around. Pretty cool exposition of the Socratic method.

>>132744761
>My problem is that people use critical theory as a way to forego their materialism and start to view logic through a subjective lens, when it's not.
I guess I can agree with this; I don't know very examples of critical theorists doing this, so I can't really comment. I think the forgoing of logic, if they really do this, is more about viewing reality through ideological lenses, which are all but logical.

>it's still a bad tool for inquiry because it's so prone to the cultural bias the method wants to repress.
Now this I can agree with. It's definitely not free from ideology, but it's better than nothing. I just think anything that makes us more aware of what points we're trying to articulate, and the (often illogical) reasons we're trying to push them, is important to have.

>The scientific method works better anyways.
kek. I mean yeah, it works for what it sets out to do. It can't tell you very much about ideology or material conditions though.

>>132744991
>Stalin wasn't cruel for no reason
Anon you should read your Solzhenitsyn.

>>132744480
>but he says so many on point and correct things
HE MIXES LIES WITH TRUTH TO CONFUSE YOU
BUT POISON DOESN'T NEED TO BE PURE TO KILL YOU

>>132745152

"Life is Suffering" - Buddha

"In the world you will always have suffering, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world" - Jesus

that is what all the perennial philosophy teachers are talking about - self overcoming

"What have you overcome lately?" - Nietzsche

>>132744150
Peterson is literally Catholic.

>>132737151
>breakups are tough for men, women get over it pretty much on the spot

Has never met a single mother or a wife who was traded in for a younger model

>>132745344
I did. I read the Gulag Archipelago twice anon.
Stalin was just good at keeping people in check.

You want mindless cruelty for no reason, go with Mao.

>>132745005

Daniel Ingram MD Arhat - no magick just jana and metanoia haha

>>132745200
I'll give you that science is a poor framework for social affairs. The current state of sociology and of its methodological quality should be evidence enough.

I happen to think that we need something else, and dialectics was, at least at the beginning, a step in the right direction.
Freeing ourselves from dogmatic ideologies should be our goal.

But fuck, if people keep messing with reason, logic and the quest for objectivity I'll fuck them up. Because they are fucking insane.

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>>132745545
Well, for epitomes of cruelty I actually would go with Pol Pot, or Che (who was so over the top that even Castro had him killed). Mao I would have always thought of as the most ignorant one. The black toothed son of a bitch had no education and some really retarded theories on how the world worked.

I refuse to clean my room.

>>132745539
I said breakups, not divorces, old timer

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>>132744799
>You're straw manning my position
Perhaps, but it's very easy to do when you go on long-winded rants that have nothing to do with the argument.

> I do not have to wade into this hyperspecific form of political philosophy because I have something better: facts.
>Marxist theory is the same as the Communist regimes
You've already entered ideology. You don't seem to realize that the Frankfurt School was rejecting a lot of Marx and Communism, they're only, really, taking his critiques of capitalist ideology and further articulated this method for doing so. You'd realize this if, y'know, you tried to actually learn about who you're trying to make a boogeyman out of.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say people like you are unwilling to engage.

>And insofar as post modernists disagree, it is only from within the framework of postmodernism
Also baseless. There are significant differences between loosely affiliated so-called post-modernists. Sartre, Foucault, and Adorno are all called post-modernists, but their view on how the world works are radically different from one another, even if they're working from a similar framework.

>It's like saying the mullahs of Iran disagree with one another
A more apt comparison would be between, say, Kierkegaard and Aquinas. They're both "christians", but fuck their views are different.

>Which is why I actually think it's quite useful to look at a psychological critique of post modernists
You should try reading some Post-modern psycho-analysis stuff then. It's very important for Zizek.

>>132734632
I have tried to do this for the past 2 years but as jbp himself said it, if you don't have friends, romantic relationship, a job and on top of that use drugs and have chronic illness, it will be nearly impossible to selfsort. I was abel to stop drinking and drugging easily but it hasn't improved my performance in any way. Year after year i'm falling more and more behind in my studies as my classmates are graduating and starting their careers.

I get this all your ancestors sacrificed themselves for your life but i just can't do this. Some genetic lines are meant to be selected otherwise there wouldn't be any improvement for human race. From those lines better one's have already realized themselves since my bro is successful and has high iq aryan children. I understand that i was born to lose the bet between god and satan and would fold my cards if it didn't add to the suffering of my family knowing i'm a complete failure. Will probably finish my degree with shitty grades and meme untill an "accident" happens.

>>132734734
Sempai dont do that! we admire your kick reaction times.
We prefer based Norway than a fucking leaf

>>132740600
Then you're already well on your way. Personally I view with suspicion those who stay tight with an arbitrary group of people throughout the immense changes that growing out of adolescence entails. I'm 33 and wanted to off myself from as early as I can remember. I've found a way to derive meaning from that, it's very useful. Holler at me if you want to speak at greater length about this. På norsk om du vil

>>132746342
It's not about other people. There will always be people who are better than you genetically or memetically, but that's no reason to just lay there and die.
You did the hardest part by giving up drugs, and though you are actually stronger for it.

Don't give up.

>>132745539

Men have a hard time getting over breakups for the same reason older women do, because their value is equally low.

A young woman is always in demand and has options.

>>132745952
Sociology is a very sad story, let's not get into it.

>But fuck, if people keep messing with reason, logic and the quest for objectivity I'll fuck them up. Because they are fucking insane.
I totally agree to an extent. I may be a pretty adamant post-modernist, but I believe in an underlying, objective reality. The two aren't contradictory, but Peterson has made a lot of people think it is.

If you're interested, I recommend Heidegger's "Age of the World Picture", which has an amazing (though not perfect) take down of modern science.

What people forget, and misunderstood about that essay, which I think it's probably the root of all the recent anti-science boogeymen, is that Heidegger didn't oppose science, he just didn't think it could properly and completely answer metaphysical or political questions. That's basically where I'm at.

>>132745150
Ideology inherently blurs what is materially occurring.
You began your post with a critique of how a lot of people are just following pronouns because society is just telling them to, without understanding its reasonings or contradictions.

Then you proceeded to fill in the missing gaps with an ideological narrative about muh oppression, one that is suspiciously identical to the ideological narrative you're trying to attack.

>>132746167
Of course I understand the Frankfurt school cultural Marxists rejected parts of Marxian theory. That's why they're *cultural* Marxists. You seem to assert that makes them not Marxists at all. I think you are doing what lawyers call drawing a distinction without a difference. I bet you would say that Marxism, communism, and socialism are all meaningfully different things, too.

Wait, I forgot I'm talking to a post modernist. You would actually say that no matter what my operational definition of Marxism is, I'm wrong because words have subjective meanings and you have decided to use a different one.

Which allows you to confidently say that I am working with an inadequate intellectual framework to even understand your ideas (which you changed on the fly) and then call me unwilling to engage.

So I don't need to fight you on your terms. I have facts on my side. The fact of the matter is that they formed the Frankfurt school. The fact is it came to Columbia University to avoid Nazis. The fact is especially Marcuse was wildly influential to the point that he created a brand new social and political movement in the New Left and related student groups (which you somehow would say isn't an ideology, although to point it out would be one).

The fact is that Sartre, Foucault, and especially Derrida had manipulative ideas that were demonstrably bad for the civilizations that they infested, and it is factual that postmodernist though has never created a singly god damn thing of lasting value. But it is also factual that postmodernism has enabled daughter ideologies like feminism and homosexuality to rip apart the foundational blocks of society.

I suppose it's just a coincidence that that's exactly what the Frankfurt school philosophers always wanted to do, hmm?

>>132746938
>You began your post with a critique of how a lot of people are just following pronouns because society is just telling them to, without understanding its reasonings or contradictions.
That isn't at all what I said. Likewise I never mentioned oppression.

This is why post structuralists are best off ignored.

It is better to give no weight to what they say, and rather look to what they do. Then you will see the truth of cultural Marxism.

>>132746938
>Heidegger didn't oppose science, he just didn't think it could properly and completely answer metaphysical or political questions.
I'd have to read it, but I can see why.
And paradoxically, Petersen's schtick is not that bad of an attempt at solving the "what can we do where science isn't useful" problem.

I honestly think you have more in common with the guy's philosophy than you yourself think. But I'm with you in that critical theory isn't *necessarily* going to lose people to universal relativism.
It just seems to be common these days sadly.

>>132734632
I did
In three months
>Stopped masturbating
>Made a fixed sleep schedule
>No more fizzy drinks, and snacks
>Dedicating 2hrs a day to learning (anything from books to coding and Photoshop)
>Cut off cunt people from my life

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>>132734882
Yes, die for Israel goy!

>>132747118
>You seem to assert that makes them not Marxists at all
They were Marxists insofar as they used Marxist methodology and agreed with Marx's critique of capitalist ideology. That doesn't make them communists.
> I bet you would say that Marxism, communism, and socialism are all meaningfully different things, too.
Because only an uninformed dolt would think otherwise. They're different things dude. It's like saying Fascism, Nazism, and Monarchism are the same things.

>You would actually say that no matter what my operational definition of Marxism is, I'm wrong because words have subjective meanings and you have decided to use a different one.
Now who's strawmanning who? I'm following the generally accepted definitions.

>Marcuse and the New Left
I wouldn't reject that. I would reject these retarded notions of Cultural Marxism though.

>The fact is that Sartre, Foucault, and especially Derrida had manipulative ideas that were demonstrably bad for the civilizations that they infested
Oh wow, kek. Please demonstrate. How are they manipulative, by the way, when they're aimed at being logical arguments with evidence? How are they manipulative when a great deal of accredited literature is dedicated to critiquing and contending with them?

>postmodernism enabled feminimsm and homosexuality.
Those things existed way way before post-modernism though. You don't know your history for fuck, dude.

You've just proven how little you actually know about these things you claim to be against. You take a couple names you vaguely know of and then warp them to tell whatever narrative you want. You claim to have the "facts" that "disprove" post-modernism, but then present nothing to prove it. You claim that post-modernism exists in an echo chamber, but then ignore all of the critical literature aimed at critiquing it because you don't like it. You claim to be "a historian", but then ignore how historians have fucking flourished since critical theory.

Not possible. Only a God can accomplish 100% sorting, all a man has to hope for is a 50% sort quantity, and honestly, that's demigod levels of devotion to morality and goodness. Trump might be close to 50%

>>132734734
Bye bye

>>132734882
>join the Norwegian army so you can suck the filth from under the nail of your bunkmate
They don't do shit. They won't die, i promise you that.

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>>132748958
still can make new friendships, find some reason to live/strive for vie exchanging ideas

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>>132747331
>That isn't at all what I said.
"how many of the leftists in Canada actually give a damn about what pronouns a tenth of a tenth of one percent of the population feels like using"

>Likewise I never mentioned oppression.
"it's one more way to browbeat straight white males to the ultimate end of collapsing Western society forever"

>It is better to give no weight to what they say, and rather look to what they do.
>It is better to not understand what their thought, but rather construct a narrative that blames all of my problems on them

>>132747911
It's just a very interesting argument, it's much much weirder than you might expect--which I think a lot of people misinterpreted it, and totally essential for anyone interested in phil like yourself.

>I honestly think you have more in common with the guy's philosophy than you yourself think
Oh I really don't have any problem with Peterson's base advice. I actually think it's great that people on here feel so empowered by him. His advice, ironically, is incredibly similar to Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus: "It doesn't matter if the world is meaningless, or is filled with suffering, what matters is how you endure it and how you treat other people"

I just fucking hate how he strawmans post-modernism. It's just embarrassing and it's going to turn people off to some really fantastic work. Most people agree with the post-modernists more than they realize.

>>132749054
This

>>132744593
yeah, its pretty obvious you've been drinking.

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>>132734632
I'll fukken sort you out m8

>>132749176
Ah you know how to appeal to my baguette heart anon. Camus is the shit.
I feel kinda the same way about the entire state of the left nowadays, I feel people are repeating the errors of the past and that all the moronic witch hunts are only going to cement the idea that the left is a bunch of loons and that it's going to swing back the pendulum so far to the right that we're going to have another set of 40s, if not another set of 30s.

It's a shame really.
I seriously want to keep this shit out of my country for as long as humanly possible.

>>132749889
I'm glad you're a Camus fan. It's weird that this board doesn't like him more.
>I feel kinda the same way about the entire state of the left nowadays, I feel people are repeating the errors of the past
I totally agree. I was so fucking disheartened to see Hillary nominated and Macron elected. And then this liberal SJW bullshit is just going to tear us apart.
>we're going to have another set of 40s, if not another set of 30s.
Just wait for the global economic collapse. We're gonna go full '30s.

>I seriously want to keep this shit out of my country for as long as humanly possible.
It's too late for us burgers. You white flaggers still have a chance though. France has a long history of smart leftists, and if Melechon is any sign, it could be coming back. Your guys' long history of hating everything German should help too, I hope. I wish you guys the best of luck in defeating Macron centrists and Pen's National Faggots.

>>132734632
If by sorting out you mean making life more tolerable for yourself and those you share your life with, yes I think it's possible.
If by sorting yourself out you mean achieving a form of the Nietzschean ubermensch, I think you might encounter a bit of disappointment

>>132734780
this, similarly if you could reason with religious people there would be ne religious people.

>>132751467
>Atheist
>Nazi

Doesn't add up

>>132751913
It's a new blend of nazis who've rejected Nazism's christian-based hierarchies for some misinformed Darwinian version. I don't get it either.

What's even funnier is when the newer Nazis support capitalism AND traditional hierarchical structures/culture.

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>>132734734
Don't do it norway pls

>>132736669
I had a great teacher many years ago who covered some of the same ground Peterson does, some of it in even greater depth.

I've heard Peterson talk about achieving (a greater degree of) one's "potential". But my professor talked about the many "potentialities" before an individual, and the hard fact that a single lifetime is not enough to explore even a good portion of them. We are limited by reality and cursed to compromise on a great deal of things. That doesn't mean we can't find something in this world worth struggling for and have a worthy life. Important to remember you cannot be "successful" in all domains or in all situations, and even a "superman" (by whatever standards) will grow into a senile old fool if granted enough time here. Still worth it; you only get one shot so don't be a pussy and clean your goddamn room!

>>132736945
Wow, thank you for sharing that video. I've never heard of this before, hidden gem others glossed over in this thread.

>>132752379
>darwinian
>misinformed
nigger detected

>>132755614
Darwin wasn't misinformed, but Social Darwinist "survival of the fittest" ideologies are based on a misunderstanding of Darwin.

>>132745670
http://integrateddaniel.info/magick-and-the-brahma-viharas/

>>132734780
This presumes that sorting happens in a vacuum, or only within a person. Sorting is adjusting yourself to the social dominance hierarchy, which involves FEEDBACK.

>>132734780
Y'all have totally missed the point. Of course you can sort yourself out, Alan Watts spent his whole fucking life trying to explain the paradox so that you CAN FUCKING LEARN TO LESSEN SUFFERING in the fucking world. Goddamn you and all of you half-ass "researchers" are fuckin' dumb. Do you think he, Bly, Campbell, etc. spent all this time and effort to educate white men about their dire importance to western culture because it's pointless? Fuck you dude.

Professor Peterson is providing the lessons your fathers/community/society failed to provide you; this means you have a chance to learn and better yourself (pay attention >>132734734) instead of giving up to the eastern idea of "fate" or the post modern nihilism.

Please, stop trying to misrepresent Watts as some kind of "oh well, you're fucked anyway" nihilist. You're shitting on his legacy.

>>132734632

It's really hard. You can cut out porn, but it takes months. You can cut out eating bad, but it takes months.

It takes so much will power.

>>132756809
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoetic_men%27s_movement

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>>132734632
>clean my room
>nothing changes

>>132756960
ps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transmigration_of_Timothy_Archer

>>132757052
yet

>>132756809
Eastern ideas of fate and life as suffering are amazing though, where do you think Alan Watts got all of his ideas from anyway?