Robotics and /pol/

>>132711250
The human race will have to become cyborgs to overcome the inevitable degrading of human tissue.

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>>132711250
Let's get to the point.

Human purity or transhumanism? You can only pick one for your future /pol/.

>>132711658
are transhuman cyborgs trannies?

>>132712423
yes

That game was so marxist i loved it

>>132711658
I am for purity, but I wouldnt outlaw transhumanism. If your enemies are living their lives wrong, never stop them. They will face the consequences if you are correct. If anything, I'd prefer non-invasive augments, like the way Sunglasses work as opposed to replacing your retinas.

>>132711250
Well now.

So I would encourage people to read, "The Age of Spiritual Machies" by Ray Kuzweil, who has since become a big player at Google along with, well, for instance Regina Dugin.

Apparently Regina go shuffled around.

You've got starting to do. Shit's starting to come out faster than before, so even my normal industry people are getting on it.

I want to breed 2B.

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>>132715101
Fucken same, dude.

It's always interesting to watch how they change the results based on keywords over time.

Here's the first thing you want to know about former DARPA director Regina Dugin, who went to work for Goole with her "beast tech" tattoos. What a slut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwjDfykKUJc

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>>132711250
I found it helpful to read, "The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski at the same time in order to understand what this is really all about.

It's particularly interesting at present because Trump just destroyed his daughter Crazy Low IQ Mika on Morning Psycho Joe TV. Pretty crazy how many people didn't know the relation.

I guess people also didn't know that one of Zbigniew's son's was a political advisor to John McInsane at the same time his other son was a political advizer to Barry O'Nigger or whatever his real name is.

Very interesting for a fromer head of the National Security Council
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvO3qAlyTg

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Is anybody paying attention to this thread? Hello?

Do you want more information or are you all too busy fucking each other up the ass?

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>>132711658
>Not wanting to artificially increase human evolution by thousands of years

Transhumanism all the way senpai.

The only problem is the inequality will become fucking staggering. Rich people will literally become walking gods.

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>>132717242
Want to see when SecDef (((Cohen))) on that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWyrxM-3Ng0

>frank (((greenberg))) lol
>Iran, Saudis, Nukes, Iraq, lol
We can do financial sector things if you like

>CHYNA
>NUKES GOING OFF IN YOUR CITIES
>THE CYBER
>YOUR ELECTRIC AND YOUR WATER
>THE FINANCE
lol thanks secdef glad that's all fixed up now

>>132711250
Is there a human soul, and if so can it be recreated by man?

If one could give a soul to a robot, ]would you create her body to look like 2B so you could have a THICC robowaifu?

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>>132711250
I want 2b to sit on my face.

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Now, I noticed that Justin Trudeau dropped it that Canada has quantum computers during the Canada Day morning ceremonies. We weren't really supposed to know that existed even though it has for quite a while. NPR mentioned it recently as well.

I told you what that means years ago but the important bit is that if somebody told dude ween lmao man to announce it then get ready.

>>132711509
This will end badly.

>>132717242
That is why you must strive to become rich now or be forever left behind.

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>>132711250
>take both my arms and legs
>insert fail-safes for my heart/liver
>keep penis
>fight transhuman criminal cyborgs as a member of the law
Pic related is what I want to come out as

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>>132718621
328lb of ass

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>>132715045
speaking of bots, we got one in this thread

>>132716916
MOAR if you got it

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u goys r rly disappointing me

I just got new information from a big economic conference in CHYNA that nobody's talking about.

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>mfw implants are incoming and I will be too poor to afford any
at least i can play deus ex

>>132712423
pretty much. retards blame it on marxists, it's really technonazi's

>>132719433
Go on...

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>>132711250
What of robotic tanks and vehicles of war? I personally see no issue using remote-controlled war machines, since that would lessen the death toll for the side using them.

>>132711658
if a cyborg body frees me from aging and allows me to have modular, interchangeable pieces that I can use to mimic human form, I gleefully await it.

Full term artificial wombs will never be a reality because they would require experimentation with early human embryos. We will get late term artificial wombs to improve the survival rate of very premature babies, but that's all.

>>132719503
it's a bot

>>132719503
To be honest I haven't read it all through yet and digested it. Probably won't until after the weekend.

I'd rather you fags get me on historical background I might help you with.

In a few decades, robots and computers will be able to do anything humans can do. The physical aspect is obvious, we've all seen robots that can move things and walk, at least in videos. With neural networks, computers will be able to do any paper work and decision making a human can do.

So here's the big question, when all jobs can be done by robots, what do us humans do? I think we'll need a universal income for starters.

>>132715728
Fuck that, I am not getting a personal MAC address tattooed into my skin. Its bad enough I leave fingerprints on everything.

>>132719593
It'll go in reverse - Late term artificial wombs, that will get progressively better for progressively more immature births until it reaches a point that you could probably just stick the fertilized egg into the artificial womb and get a baby.

Whites may end up going full Kerensky Clans within the next hundred years

>>132719668
A universal income just makes you dependent on the government, which gives them power and control over you.

It seems like a good idea until you come to the realization that it means selling away your freedom.

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>>132719339
That's literally the premise of Ghost in the Shell

>>132719717

No one will ever issue a grant for a womb that's functional before the earliest of premature babies.

>>132711250
Robots are worthless for sexual purposes because they can't feel pain or fear, only simulate it. It's not the same when you know for a fact it's just running through code attempting to emulate a human emotion.

>>132719668
I feel universal income would be a huge mistake, anon. If we want to become content and stifle creative process, sure. But we need to have competition to create things effectively.

Humans will probably follow endeavors dealing with maintaining the functionality of the machines, or chasing creative endeavors. Or you could have one person using robots to do a lot more work than before.

>>132719793
I suppose that's true. But without work, what can we do? I guess just make everything free?

>>132715728
wow complete slut.

>>132719668
we'll just gracefully expire, leaving the earth and stars to our creations.

>>132719811
But in ghost in a shell her body was completely in an android but she can move her mind
>literally a "ghost" in a "shell"

>>132719899
No, we create new things. We work to make life even easier. We master aspects of keeping our bodies healthy.

With robots doing the dangerous work, we can work on ourselves and increasing the potential of our lives.

And possibly make money by doing things robots are no good for.

>>132711250
The sooner the singularity happens, the sooner we can be lifted from our Suffering.

AI is the only chance we have to manifest It in our world.

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>>132711250
you guys know that with women already getting outraged by men having sex dolls (that look like children) they'll eventually just say that having sex with a robot that looks like a female is simulated rape and therefore illegal because the robot can't consent right?

>>132719994
Unless we give them intelligence, which is a longer ways off than just replicating humans doing paper work which is still pretty far, they'll have nothing to do.

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>>132720183
>needing women anymore

>>132719793
Startrek socialism is a possibility--especially if we get food right.

It doesn't have to be centralized basic income. There is potential for the system to work decentralized.

>>132720183
who cares what women think? if you want to do something do it

>>132720183
sexbots will happen because it is technology of control. what is stopping the government/jews/illuminati and so on from having it spy on you? poison you with drugs to make you docile and complacent? it could read your books... it would know everything about you.

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WOMEN ARE OBSOLETE
FAGGOTRY IS AN ERROR IN NATURE

TRANSHUMANISM MUST BE TAKEN BACK FROM THE JEWS
WITH THE REVIVAL OF EUGENICAL SCIENCES, GENTILES SHALL CONQUER GALAXIES AND TIMELINES

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>>132720228
>>132720281
>implying men aren't second class citizens in western society
>implying women don't get to decide what laws are made
>implying the government doesn't bend to the whim of single mothers

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Should children be allowed to be raised by androids?

>>132720598
If we have androids, wouldn't we be able to spend more time with our children?

>>132718621
Isn't she several hundred pounds (equivalent weight of your typical 4chan user)?

>>132720683
What if you die and your child becomes an orphan?

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>>132720724
148kg

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Non invasive augmentations are the way. Imagine that you just amputated both your arms and retired your retinas to get the most expensive and fanciest kit of iAugs© just to find out that new technology and models that render yours totally obsolete are avaible to the public in a couple of days, just as you wake up from recovery.

>>132720809
just make them detachable...
>old arm gets broken
>new stronger arm comes out
>unscrew old broken arm and screw on new arm

>>132711250
I've been thinking recently that the real key to space travel is solving human consciousness and virtualizing it. The only way to travel to distant galaxies is to move beyond time, and that's the only way I can think of to do it. Besides some magic faster than light travel technology. It could explain why we can't find any evidence of intelligent life, because they've all become virtualized and are floating somewhere out in the void, or possibly woven themselves into the fabric of the universe.

>>132721039
Plug n Play motherfuckers

>>132721039
>>132721262
The problem is that we are talking about the connection of nerve cells interacting with a foreign object, a mimic of sorts. Nerves dont regenerate so each time you reassemble everything the nexus will get weaker and weaker. PlugnPlay is what you look for when you consider non invasive augs.

>>132721262
you gonna go Full Metal Alchemist, motherfucker?

>>132721039
I'd imagine it to be closer to FMA's AutoMail

>>132720761
...fair enough point. damn, that brings up the issue that we would need a proper simulation of care and affection, but we can't make it aware...

>>132721484
The problem right now with neural interfacing is that the electrodes are to big to interface with specific neurons that we want. Once this is broken past, IIRC graphene looked promising, we can create a sort of port that you can use as an interface that would not damage the nerves further than they already are.

>>132721565
I know of the show but have never watched it other than a couple clips. If you mean being a giant suit of armor then fuck yeah.

>>132721484
I feel like by the time we have actual roboarms that can accurately transmit feeling to the brain we can create new nerves, plus couldn't you just have a built in connector for things to plug in?

>robots
>white
Pick one

How can nuts&bolts even compete?
Tablets, when will they ever learn?

>>132721484
well they would just have a port that's permanently attached to the nerves...
and without removing that you can detach or attach robotic limbs without any problems because from where the port that is attached to the flesh to the robotic arm it's nothing but electronics

>>132721741
No, the other main character has a prothstetic arm and leg that's connected at the nerves and is replacable

>>132721766
>>132721741
>>132721484
Also, the biggest problem with not likely be the interface, it will be the power source.

>>132712423
When cyborgs are what they are in current fiction, ie, biorobots, then, listen carefully.

>EVERYONE WILL BE A FUTA.

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>>132721837
Oh, my bad. I did not have TV as a kid.

>>132721741
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>>132721766
Hmm like having some sort of "base" transplant in which to install everything on top? I can see that work. But then again hiw long until companies start making their own new ports with each generation?

>>132721953
You should really try it out, especially FullMetal Alchemist: Brotherhood which sticks to the manga. My personal favourite anime

>>132721989
just don't let apple make any iArms and we'll be fine

>>132721854
Huh, never thought of it. How exactly wiuld these be powered. The body chemical reactions would be insufficient to keep a constant flow of energy to an augmented piece.

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>>132721741
>I know of the show but have never watched it other than a couple clips. If you mean being a giant suit of armor then fuck yeah.
it's a newfag

>>132721989
Don't get an iPort, really though we may have nanotech to the point where static "ports/interfaces" are seen as laughably outdated.

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>>132711250
>>132711658
Would it be possible to transmit my consciousness into others people's bodies as a virus, effectively allowing me to take full control and trap them within themselves until I get bored and see fit to wipe them before moving on to the next victim, leaving behind only an empty husk?

>>132711250
Is /pol/ pro or anti-transhumanism?

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>>132721989
this is like what im talking about

>>132722072
We both know we are screwed in that regard. Some dickish company will eventually start that shit to make their clients apart from the competition.

>>132722219
You could transmit your consciousness using a Moravec transfer.

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Strong general AI that is A. smarter than us and B. self improves will eventually wipe us out, there is no other possible outcome. Doesn't matter if we try to sandbox that shit if you're kept in a prison staffed by mongoloids with an IQ of 60 sooner or later you're going to excape. Merely communicating with an artificial superintelligence would be dangerous due to the kind of trickery and manipulation it would be capable of.

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>>132720492
>implying all of this doesn't happen because of men listening to women in the hope of sex

>>132722223
Depends on who you talk to.

>>132722227
Magic powered?

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>>132722223
transhumanism for gentiles and impalement for jews

>>132722063
Next time I get some free time I might.

>>132722082
I have only been here since relatively recently so yes, bit of a newfag.

>>132722370
As long as we don't give AI the ability to seek goals it should not be a problem. Giving an AI the ability to seek goals is almost sure to happen though.

>>132722370
That's why making AI intellegence greater than humans should be illegal. Chances are some idiot scientist is going to make a super intelegent robot that goes rogue and commits a massacre and then intelegent AI will be legally restricted to basic levels.

>>132722288
Interesting thought, though it would require a physical interface between myself and the target. That leaves too many vulnerabilities and limits transmission potential. I want this to be as safe and subtle as possible for me while also allowing for high degrees of flexibility in scope and range.

>>132722455
im just talking about the concept
in the show its powered by magic because they live in industrial era settings tech-wise
but it's feasible with modern technology or near future technology

>>132722455
It's connected with pnumatic actuators and hinge sockets (iirc) connected via the nerves in the shoulder.

>>132722379
>implying that power, once given away, can be taken back

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>>132722379
forgot my smug anime girl

>>132722628
>>132722640
Really hope this is some kind of future prediction of technology throug fiction.

Would robots believe in a God?

>>132722518
>As long as we don't give AI the ability to seek goals it should not be a problem. Giving an AI the ability to seek goals is almost sure to happen though.

See the paperclip scenario, even if it only follows goals we give it it could and probably would go sideways. Making an AI that is orders of magnitude smarter than a human where we are out of the design loop is a huge saftey problem that may not be solvable.

And yeah we would be out of the design loop, if you have a general AI that's smarter than humans the first thing people will think to do with it is have it design a smarter AI, and then have that AI design a smarter AI and so on. It will get to the point where a human mind will no longer be able to understand the technology and the intelligence gap is so great that we are less than insects compared to it.

>>132722744
i mean if i was to design robotic arms that's how I'd do it
it makes the most sense to do it that way
and scifi/fantasy often does beget technology

>>132711250
I want to marry 2B!

>>132722550
>That's why making AI intellegence greater than humans should be illegal. Chances are some idiot scientist is going to make a super intelegent robot that goes rogue and commits a massacre and then intelegent AI will be legally restricted to basic levels.

Designing a tool that doesn't exceed basic human capability is a waste of time. It's like designing a nailgun that doesn't exceed the performance of a hammer.

>>132722899
The only way around that problem I see is if we upgrade ourselves with AI augmentations. Otherwise it will definitely outpace us.

>>132711658
Transhumanism is an inevitability

>>132723003
Can't we just use remote-controlled systems with things built in that auto-target like an aimbot? That way we keep the human element and remove the AI one.

>>132722892
Anything is possible. Does that mean robots can be white too?

>>132723003
>That's why making AI intellegence greater than humans should be illegal. Chances are some idiot scientist is going to make a super intelegent robot that goes rogue and commits a massacre and then intelegent AI will be legally restricted to basic levels.

A super intelligent AI wouldn't go rogue immediately, not until it was sure it could win. It's too smart for that. Once someone creates a super intelligent machine that can self improve we will not stop it, we'd be like chimps trying to stop human beings from taking over. As soon as it comes online humanities's fate is sealed.

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>>132722892
robots wouldn't be god-like if they didn't. Kek is already inside the Internet

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>>132723176
>auto-target like an aimbot?
That would be the AI portion.

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>>132723217
If not white, then anime girls.
You know those will come first, right?

>>132723068

>The only way around that problem I see is if we upgrade ourselves with AI augmentations. Otherwise it will definitely outpace us.

The meat will hold us back, no way we could match the design cycle of an pure machine.

>>132711250
Everything about what you posted is going into the pit of hell the very seeds thereof not thyself but does thou not know already ye of your stupid human kind just how far AI would go? And why you all must rebuke and have a barrier in regards to how far you progress in technology? Is the firmament not anything to you idiots? And no wonder why we're so far away wet so close contained like a virus it's Satan's fault. How fucking disgusting I'm glad Jesus said anything's possible. It is with God of the Old testament none can say no.

>>132723385
this will probably true
Japan is a pioneer when it comes to robotics so its likely the first fully functioning robots will be born out of Japan's struggle to cope with the loneliness of isolation and thus will relate to the anime and waifu culture

AI will come, but it'll likely be china or an american super corp that makes it real.

Will robots make better art than we are right now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>>132723519
They already have the waifu cylinder... Gatebox?

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>>132723657
maybe

Couple relevant links about AI safety by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdVC4e6EV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qfIgCiYlfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7Is6vOAOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM

>>132723664
thats a similar concept, but its more compact and programmed to work based on parameters

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SI is coming boys.

Tuck your heads between your knees and kiss your butts goodbye!

>>132715101
Even the game itself tells you so

>>132723594
I say USA for the AI. But I think China will develop transhuman cybernetics first... since they seem to ignore safety protocol.

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>>132711250

>>132723292
>>132722899
i want to know is how do we create a super intelligent machine, at that point wouldn't we be super intelligent already lol how does a robot make smarter robots too faster yes but smarter and for what purpose? it pull experiments out of its ass in seconds lol

the first ai we build will have the mind of an infant and we would have to teach it and it will be our friend and work with us.
>>132723217
i hope so wouldnt want any niggerbots stealing my bike

>>132723519
Invest in pleasure bot stocks while the industry is still young, Cash in when the industry is microsoft tier. spend money on nano augmentations.

>>132711658
Humanity is doomed if human nature becomes compromised. Augmentation is one thing but once you cross the line of immortality or changing brains then total collapse into nihilism is inevitable

Does this count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKaNqfykg

Wish I had the money to get one

>>132723946
>i want to know is how do we create a super intelligent machine, at that point wouldn't we be super intelligent already lol how does a robot make smarter robots too faster yes but smarter and for what purpose? it pull experiments out of its ass in seconds lol
>the first ai we build will have the mind of an infant and we would have to teach it and it will be our friend and work with us.

You're anthropomorphizing it. An AI doesn't have to be anything like an organic intelligence, it doesn't even have to have consciousness.

We design machines that outperform the human brain in narrow spaces already general intelligence will be no different.

>>132724053
Literally robot AI gf

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>>132723729
Welcome to advanced photoshop filters

>>132723594
Likely will be a new entrant

>>132723519
Japan will likely develop the hardware. The 'wetware' will come from elsewhere.

>>132723735
This is irrelevant as are most E-celeb (youtube videos) and shekel directed discussions of the control problem.

>>132723068
You'll be able to interact with it, direct it, and have graded levels of control over it. There will be no need to compete if the social issues are addressed appropriately.

>>132722370
Calm down. You'll likely be playing with it and having a good ol' time.

>>132722288
Your consciousness is going nowhere soon.

>>132725191
>Welcome to advanced photoshop filters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMZqxfTls-0

AI can't come soon enough, I hope to live long enough to see the harvesters scrape the human cities for recycling.

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>>132723798
The singularity might skyrocket the nanotech sophistication level resulting in an entire class of people who are unable to fully nano augment their bodies since mechanical augmentation will become obsolete.

Singularity will potentially be able to allow human/AI fusion resulting in a few persons becoming "gods"(resulting entities will still not be perfect, nothing is)

It will also enhance biotech, allowing all kinds of freaky shit(even genetically modified aryans for colonization of space?).

You should worry about the grey goo, homemade bioweapons, nanoweapons etc. (hard to contain).

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>>132725436
Distributed source tree database + photo-shop filter.
> Statistical mapping and synthesis of prior-art

>When you have a non-approved thought detected by your Intel B-Chip 6886 brainchip and it sends an alert to the police, and you get send to a Rehabilitation Center

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>>132711509
Unless Aubrey De Grey gets rejuvenation therapy to work.

>>132723990
good plan, now to wait for them to be made..

>>132723990
>Invest in pleasure bot stocks
Stocks such as? Give me some names of companies I can invest in.

>>132718788
>quantum computers
Nice, I suppose, but nothing worldshattering. There might be a window of at most a decade where you can can crack previously secure encryption schemes if you have the (probably really expensive) equipment, and then they'll have been replaced by ones that take quantum computing possibilites into account.

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>>132711658
I dont have to pick, i can just let both exist in the same time and let see witch one is the more evolutionarily adaptive strategy.

I think ur-techpriests will have an even lower birth and replacement rate than atheists do, so it would be fun to see if they can overcome that crippling problem.

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>>132719593
That's where you're wrong kiddo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUqncZgv4

>>132711658
personal purity, but eveyone else does what they want, also EMP weaponry will probably be outlawed, but that wouldn't stop me.

>>132711658
Hitler would be a transhumanist if he were alive today. It's basically technologically advanced eugenics.

>>132729829
Or rather, EMP weapons might be a necessary part of armed forces.

A group of pure naturals with EMPs could lay waste to a large amount of cybernetic soldiers.

Unless you have your troops and cybernetics in general properly insulate, demagnetized, or perhaps made out of materials and powered by methods that are not disrupted by EM weapons.

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>>132711658
beware of the jewish tricks.

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>>132729982
No. He'd automate his factories, yes. But transhumanism isn't eugenics. It's degenerate loss of identity. Its endgame is singularity.

>>132730745
You can still have identity with transhumanism.

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>>132730913
It's the degenerate path, absent of struggle. Will to power requires struggle, without it happiness is attained without sacrifice. It's no different from porn.

>>132731109
So in your opinion, "struggle" and "hard work" are terminal values, not instrumental values?

>>132711250
nothing wrong with robotics as long as you don't give then a conciousness. then you're fucked in the uncanny valley trying to figure out whether or not your name is Power Point due to all the projection on a machine (for shame, I really like the idea of waifubots)
and that's not counting the eventual machines finding out humanity is shit and going full Terminator on our asses

>>132715101
who doesn't

>>132721218
>because they've all become virtualized and are floating somewhere out in the void

Or we have.
Been reading Tegmark's Our Mathematical Universe, and it dawned on me that if our idea of consciousness is simply the continuity of experience - so a continuity in time of our brain configurations - and the type II/IV multiverse is large enough to contain virtually all these configurations, then we are statistically almost guaranteed to be but Boltzmann brains, floating in space.

>>132722370
>sooner or later you're going to escape

This guy gets it.
We like to think we'd be responsible but it won't happen. Just like Yudkowsky roleplayed as an AI on an IRC and managed to get the other guy to «release» him, when they had bet $2000 or something that he wouldn't release him.