The final redpill

Muh linear history

>>132690202
nice (((((((((((((((((((argument)))))))))))))))))))))
>b-but we can change the course of history
this isn't a Hollywood movie kid, sorry but the build up to this has been happening over the last half a century its not a "phase" its a movement in global social/cultural history that's gained unstoppable momentum like when Abrahamic religions took over paganism in the west or when Feminism rose to acceptance in the developed world, history is full of examples. The further connectedness of the modern era makes it not only more inevitable, but likely to spread further and faster.

>>132689924
In the west, yes. East Asia will have the last homogeneous societies in the world, and when the global capital system collapses, the individualist West will descend into complete chaos as everyone scrambles to reestablish high trust communities to defend against the medium-intensity civil conflict. I think totalitarian regimes will swoop in at that point. Meanwhile, the East will weather the storm due to high social trust, and they'll move in to take over the ruins after the western warns end.

Statsindividualism requires abundance. Once that ends, you get socialism, and then economic collapse, and then civil war between a diversified population. The East just has to sit and wait for the west to fall apart. Individualism is fun in the good times, but it's incapable of weathering economic hardship. Evolution selects against individualism and multicultural nations, which is why they're rare in history.

Unless you can guarantee infinite prosperity for all time, then your notion of "the flow of history" is wrong. The flow is always against diverse polities--they're fickle and blow over easily.

>>132689924
On the contrary we see these movements continue to grow by the day as intergroup interaction creates cultural and ethnic tension. Furthermore, a heavily individualistic society is not sustainable, if nothing else, because of low birth rates clashing with conflicting political interests. You can't have a dwindling labor force provide gibs for an aging population and not expect there to be some young vs old tension and political unrest. There will always be forces that change the status quo, but we will tend back to homogeny and conservativism because it is what we as humans know and it is what served us for thousands of years

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>>132690786
You do realize culture isn't just skin color right? Homogeneous culture is just as on the downfall in the east as the west.

>>132689924
>Individualism WON community and culture LOST, the alt-right is fighting a war over a decaying horse that died decades ago.

Who said individualism= moral decadence?
All moral bullshit is a personal choice. Losing culture is because individualism is dying. The foundation of patriotism is based on a personal devotion to yourself and one's country.
>
ISIS, Alt-right, We Wuz kingz and all other traditionalist/"back to our roots" movements are destined to fizzle out and die as technology, interconnectedness and individualism becomes more dominant
the only reason why you aren't conflating collectivism with this is because no communist society ever prospered enough to feed themselves let alone let their immoral decadence take over. Collectivism is only good as an aim, not a means. Individualism is a means for both the good and the bad, hence why it is good as a means only. The combination of the two is a healthy culture. Your blame on capitalism is unfounded

>>132690699
Just let me think my future isn't living in a bleak, monochrome, atheistic, nihilistic world, you nigger. That shit is depressing.

>>132691296
You realize that RACE isn't just skin color right? Culture is downstream of biology. The average character of a population determines culture. Multiracial societies can produce civilized culture--that's not the issue. The issue is that genetically diverse populations have low social trust, and low civic engagement, which makes them bad at handling hardship. Economic collapse, natural disasters, war, famine, whatever--a diverse population fractures more easily under those pressures than a homogeneous population. The would wasn't created with homogenous countries sprouting from the ground. They develop over time because they are the most successful arrangement. Wars are fought to separate different peoples into separate geographical areas where their homogeneous identities can establish stable polities. Nature ALWAYS selects for homogeneity, either through miscegenation, eradication, or expulsion. The heterogeneous societies don't survive.

I suggest you read Putnam's study out of Harvard on the effects of diversity on civil society.

>>132689924
God bless you

>>132689924
>Consumer capitalism has all but destroyed culture and identity in the west
be commie somewhere else

>>132692680
Not an argument
Globalism is just capitalism's endgame

>>132692680
>Shills for the system pushed on his country's flag in order to destroy it

>>132690202
>tips "historical materialism"

>>132689924
That's all well and good (if you like classical liberalism that is) but how do we avoid fighting a war of ideas given how lethal weaponry has become since the 80s?

Do we really just need to fight with memes?

>>132692903
globalism is capitalism at its finest
ppl opposing global capitalism are filthy commies who need one short helicopter ride

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>>132692903
>Globalism is just capitalism's endgame

Well, it's a good thing we're waging our war against globalism now so that we can watch it burn in our lifetimes, isn't it?

>>132692217
>Culture is downstream of biology. The average character of a population determines culture.
That is waaay debatable anon. Tons of serious anthropologists would disagree.

>>132693340
commie detected

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>>132689924
10/10 post. This has been similar to my analysis. double digit iw dweebs can't fathom that the world has moved on in spite of them, and can only cry and dream, making shitty clickbait memes for the sake of nostalgia for a time long gone. But, my analysis includes the normalization of contraceptives alongside globalism, where greed and money dictates action rather than collectivist ideas of culture and all that horseshit that these manbabies are crying so much about nowadays. The Indians and their cultures went extinct (practicallly) in America as a consequence of immigration. It happens all the time. Get over yourselves you fucking hypocrites and crybabies.

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>>132693680
You know who else supports globalism? Commies.

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>>132692217
>. Economic collapse, natural disasters, war, famine, whatever--a diverse population fractures more easily under those pressures than a homogeneous population.
Proofs? Do you seriously expect anyone with half a brain to believe that with no evidence whatsoever. Low IQ scum detected. Face it, the future belongs to those with a)good looks and athleticism and b) those that are highly intelligent or conscientious. If you don't fall in one of those categories, then I'm sorry to break it to you bud, it's no one's fault and it's just destiny. I would beckon for you to read into Native American History. The patterns are eerie. Putnam's study does not account for natural disasters and all that stuff you discussed earlier in your post. You can't just extrapolate from civic life to natural disaster. Besides, once more and more people integrate into their respective societies, I expect the study to become null. Otherwise, the ball's in your court.

>>132694061
commies hate capitalism, they know shit about economy, that's why I expected more from /pol/, if you are anti-cultural marxism you also should reject their economical point of view

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>>132689924
The final redpill is turning to Jesus.

>>132694061
>always do the opposite of what lefty says
NOT AN ARGUMENT

>>132694373
You just said you're pro-globalism, which means you support the dissolution of local cultures and massive unending waves of immigration from all corners of the world to everywhere else in the world. How exactly are you not a cultural marxist?

>>132694689
What if you're just a humanist?

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>>132694468
Everything that has happened happened because the Jews are aiming for a one world government, currency, and religion under Lucifer. This they will achieve but in the Book of Revelations Jesus will triumph and all those who accepted the mark of the beast will be sent into a lake of fire along with Lucifer.

>>132694689
>you support the dissolution of local cultures and massive unending waves of immigration
nope, just support global capitalism
fuck EU, fuck UN, fuck leftiest

>>132695052
GLOBAL CAPITALISM NECESSITATES THE UNFETTERED MOVEMENT OF LABOR (I.E. PEOPLE) YOU FUCKING DUNCE.

>>132695052
>Everything that's not extreme laizee faire capitalism is communism!

>>132695156
doesn't mean it destroys your culture when those ppl must work hard so you will spent your hard earned money on their work to keep them alive or you won't so they will starve and die on the street. it's only up to you

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>>132694990
>mfw I unironically don't see any problem with that since Lucifer is the good guy in that book
>mfw one world govt sound peachy
Fortunately, /pol/ really is (((them))) all along.

>>132695369
correct

>>132695466
Hahahaha yes Anon! Pajeet will work VERY hard to accommodate to Southern culture. Oh, and you don't mind if he brings his whole family too right? BASED Indians and all.

>>132695466
>implying culture is something finite that you lose by mixing it
The only way to reduce cultural drift is by making communication faster. And even that wouldn't suffice because human culture just is fucking fractal.

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>>132694990
>Everything that has happened happened because the Jews are aiming for a one world government, currency, and religion under Lucifer.
You give too much credit to Jewish people. Sure, they do have a disproportionate amount of influence, but influence is natural. You do it, I do it, we all do it. To point at the Jews and tell them that they have an undue amount of influence is to tell a nigger he has a giant cock and has an undue amount of sexual capital. They are both retarded things to say in the final analysis, and just makes you look like a pathetic, whiny little weasel.

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You mean... People will just be who they want to be? They'll give up fighting over color differences, religions, century-old rivalries, gender, nationality, whatever? They'll simply be themselves while maintaining an interconnectedness that facilitates and maintains the safe, riskless expression of the self? That technology will aid in creating a world of abundance, where petty squabbling with "unwanteds" just to get some extra scraps will no longer be necessary? A perfect balance of collective need and individual want?

I agree. This IS the true red pill.

Welcome to the world where freedom and equality exist in their maximal form simultaneously.

Welcome to anarcho-communism.

>>132695913
Yeah Anon the trend really has been tending to greater economic equality over the last 50 years!

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>>132689924
>individualism

>>132695729
what difference does it make where they starve?
it's about your money. they come to most of countries because they got money from your taxes. just cut the taxes and destroy the whole social security programs: you'll be richer, they will starve
>profit

>>132696231
I think OP is more referring to a kind of collective selfishness, Brave New World style, rather than individualism truly.

>>132696601
>Money money money money profits money
Fuck off Noah Rosenkrantz

>>132696777
>free stuff
>social benefits
>leech on taxpayers
find a job
you're nothing but socialist cancer to society

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>>132696231
>taking anything from Oscar Wilde as valid
He was a man that spoke in tongues. He could contradict himself twice in the same sentence and claim neutrality to be happy about it. You sound like a young fag to take him seriously.

>>132696151
Equality doesn't exist. If you want equality, then you have to know when you've been locked out, and when to get tough and hard. Blacks have it figured out. Read the studies by Martin Daly and you can see how the solution to inequality is not fighting words, but fighting fists. So, I should include in my previous analysis that the future also belongs to the courageous as well, but it ain't pretty. Time are changin' and there's nothing you can do about by living in the shadows.

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>>132696151
No, it hasn't. It has gotten increasingly more unequal, more unfair. But here's the thing: people see it now, more than ever. Marx predicted capitalism would not break until the workers saw it for the dead end game it always was - a world where the rich prosper ever more and the rest stagnate.

Class consciousness of that fact is rising at record pace - again, as Marx predicted it would as capitalism entered its terminal stage. Most millennials in the U.S. now identify as socialists rather than capitalists - nothing like this has ever been witnessed. Some try to chalk it up to youth, or evil pinko professors. But youth and pinko professors existed 50 years ago, too; but the Boomers were never majority socialist. The problem is staring you in the face: smart young people with masters degrees working at Starbucks. The youth aren't rapidly turning to leftism because it's a trend. They're doing it because they're fucking broke, and they're sick of it.

Global communication, now open to everyone on earth, has given the workers the last tool they needed to coordinate the final showdown - the end of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Once again, Marx predicted that this would be the Achilles' heel of capitalism: it would globalize, maximizing inequality, but introducing the workers of the world to each other - and uniting them against a common enemy.

The time is fast approaching, my friends! Even you fascists, in all your fear and self-loathing, can still yet join in the glorious coming of the age of unlimited prosperity and freedom for all!

Workers of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!

>>132697256
>that MikeeUSA brand autism
I wonder what that good for nothing neet with a law degree is up to these days.

>>132697602
wow. someone's going to get some college aged Tumblr puss

>>132697602
>LARPing faggot
Communism is impossible in a scarce society.
Ancoms are as retarded as ancaps.

>>132697047
You're an absolute fucking moron. It doesn't matter what I say to you, because you'll probably just insert some shit into my mouth about benefits that I didn't say, and continue shilling for the economic system forcibly pushed on to your flag in order to destroy it.

>>132697750
literally who?

>>132697602
hey anon, why don't you set the example and just pay your employees at your start-up business their fair share! It should be easy since... oh wait...

>Individualism WON community and culture LOST

I like this a lot. What does a world without culture look like though. That doesn't seem to make sense. Semi-borderless culture probably makes more sense. People adopt cultures from a mixture of websites. Right now, everyone basically sees a lot of the same stuff. But if there's ever a time when people choose to segregate and see/read completely different stuff (think of virtual reality), then culture would develop.

I also think. for sure, people will eventually work less hours per week as the world population levels off. So there would be more hours in a week to devote to whatever hobby or world you want to inhabit.

>>132698023
This kid-diddler: https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/MikeeUSA

>>132694084
Are you arguing that a country with high social trust and civic engagement will perform the same as a society with low social trust and low civic engagement in the even of a catastrophe? You think those societies would be equally capable of banding together? You think they would have equal incidents of brigandry, looting, and exploitation? We already know atomization results from the breakdown of civic engagement. Do you think atomization is conducive to cooperation?

>>132698003
so then: what's the best economic system in your opinion?

>>132698236
Depends of the state of affairs anon.
If fast growth can be sustained then it's for sure capitalism. But that shit breaks down without it.

>>132698236
That's like asking what the best size pants are.
I favor which ever system allows for the most self-employment possible.

you are what you own anon ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

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>>132694061
No, we support internationalism.

>>132698626
it's all about human action
do you put collective interests before your own or do you put yourself before others?

>>132694084
British Empire
Austrian Empire
French Empire
Ottoman Empire
Umayyad dynasty
Assyrian Empire

literally ALL multiethnic polities have fallen apart, and done so violently and with excessive bloodshed.

It's a mystery to me why the nation-states of Europe (some of which have maintained their territorial integrity since the 800s) are enthusiastically marching towards a system with such horrifying historical outcomes.

>>132697602
How can there be a global working class uprising to seize the factors of production, if everything is only produced in the countries most devoid of a working class mentality among workers (currently Asia)? Millennials can resent capitalists all they want, but their resentment and attacks towards the capitalists will never bring the factors of production back to developed countries with working class cultures.

>>132698909
>KJI
>coherent ideology
Pick zero.

>>132699085
Russia is still kicking.

>>132698909
Impliggity-plying Juche is representative of Communist beliefs.

>>132698128
I would never start a business and nor should anyone else in a capitalist world. It is impossible for co-ops to compete with those who rob their workers of the surplus value.

>>132699013
If our creator only put us here to serve ourselves, why do others exist?

>>132699213
>global communication
>growing membership of socialist organizations around the world including poorer countries

We continue to agitate and educate, in our own countries and everywhere else. Our time is not quite come yet - we are living through the dying cry of capitalism, but he's a stubborn old bastard. He's not ready to go without making a mess first.

>>132699317
yeah, after losing, what, a third of it's territory after the fall of communism?

and Russia is a miserable society to live in. Who would actively want to become more like Russia? No one!

>>132697925
Most of the "scarcity" today is artificial scarcity, and you know that as well as I do. We live in a world with starving people miles from superstores that throw counltess pounds of food away every night. The wastefulness and inefficiency of capitalism is what creates scarcity today - not a lack of resources. And what little natural scarcity does exist will soon be a thing of the past. 3D printing, automation, etc. will make it such that a world without work is possible, if those who lust for power aren't permitted to hoard and distribute as they please - and they will not be, because as I said, consciousness is growing rapidly.

>>132699668
we cooperete with others because we have needs that our creator gave us. there's no group sin, there's no group absolution. it's only up to you as a individual. just a pure relation between you and our creator

>>132700026
>Most of the "scarcity" today is artificial scarcity, and you know that as well as I do.
Energy and rare earths you fucking moron.
Take away cheap petrol and the entire world will light up.

>>132699711
you realize that while you fight to defeat western capitalism there are literally dozen of ethnic groups waiting in the wings to destroy and take over the ruins of our society?

Third worlders don't give a shit about the false dichotomy Marxists beat off to. Once the west has exhausted itself in a civil war, they will move in to take the spoils for themselves. And they will have no problem with forcing their culture on whatever remains of western society.

Ask yourself this, commie, do you really want that? Is beating the rich chads really worth becoming a slave to foreigners in your own country?

>>132689924
Capitalism, by its very nature, is shit. It must devour everything: the environment, communities, nations. All must be subjugated to the motive of profit, and if one CEO is too ethical for that, he will be replaced by another who isn't. When regulations hinder profits, they are removed, sooner or later. When the laborer in a country isn't desperate enough, and when wages aren't low enough, corporations bring in hordes of stupid foreigners to compete with the natives and to inflate the labor pool.

>capitalism is pretty much: the people own the companies but laws still exist to keep things ethical.
Don't kid yourself. People own companies in the sense that the companies are owned by human beings, but certainly not "the people". How much control does the American public have over Microsoft or GM - companies that are hard at work to bankrupt the American worker by outsourcing and importing H1B poo-in-loos? How much control do the German people have over Siemens?

The companies have no loyalty to their home countries whatsoever and they answer to no one. All they care about is ever-increasing profits, and when the profit motive is in conflict with the interest of the community - and it fucking is -, then the profit motive wins, every time.

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>>132698233
I am arguing that it is a dubious claim to categorize a 'non-homogeneous' society as better than a homogeneous society in times of duress as opposed to times of civility, especially in our age, when globalism and multiculturalism are in its early stages and has yet to really take hold, so to speak, and without immediate evidence for or against that claim. Plus, a natural disaster is a natural disaster, and to measure the 'performance' of such an event is imprecise and prone to bias and hogwash. We do not know at all, that in times of disaster, that one society is inherently more conducive to well-being than another.
I believe that people that hold SIMILAR BELIEFS AND PRINCIPLES ABOUT BASIC HUMAN DECENCY, can occur in a society that is homogeneous or non-homogeneous. The holding of similar beliefs is not dependent on ethnicity (the type of homogeneity that i think you speak of), but rather, on good communication, which I do not believe is dependent on ethnic homogeneity, but a more general homogeneity that can be achieved by means of globalism that we have yet to fully embrace. Sure, as things currently stand, we have yet to witness the full effects of globalism. But, once we do, whenever or however that might be, I hope I can come back to you and discuss the issues at hand then.

>>132700368
trudeau-like leaf

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>>132699085
All things have a tendency to fall dibshit. I would argue that innately, things fall apart. Entropy as a natural law guarantees it, and not the fact of 'multikulti' itself.

>>132700368
I have a chance to live in post-soviet country
I don't buy your marxist shit

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>>132689924

gtfo of New Zealand chink

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>>132689924
You say it as if people can't simply reject what society has become and branch off and start anew in a safer haven far away from what our modern civilization has become. Haven't you heard of the Amish?

Mudslimes are already overrunning western culture by converting white women to Islam.
It's almost as if American women are retarded or something

>>132700474
It's part of human decency to look after one's own first. People look after their own children before their neighbor's. People look after their own tribe before their neighbor's. People look after their own nation before their neighbor's. It has always been, and it stands to reason that it will always be the limiting factor of excessive diversity in any given geographic area. I also don't believe 100% homogeneity is necessary, nor practical, or even possible. What is possible, and the historical norm is overwhelming dominance (not just predominance) of a single demographic over a given geography--dominance enough so that no minority ethnicity can make no demands of the dominant culture. This is the norm in East Asia.

You're right that we will find out if all of this works soon enough. My original point what that if/when the Western experiment fails, East Asia will be the last civilization standing. I for one think it's good that Civilization is not dependent on the multicultural experiment working, and it will go on when the West collapses under its own hubris.

>>132700269
Not for long.

>>132700314

You are a paranoid schizophrenic. Anyone who leaves their home from time to time and actually *speaks* to people - including the other ethnic groups you speak of - knows that what you just said is complete bull shit. Your nightmares of millions of zombie-like hoards of "ethnic groups" coming to steal your stuff and exploit you are idiotic, fed by the nonsense the idiots at Breitbart post on a daily basis ("SHOCKING VIDEO OF REFUGEES OR SOMETHING MOVING AROUND EN MASSE AHHHH!")

Stop being so afraid. The vast majority of all people want the same things. The idea that "they" are going to act like white westerners and enslave you in the 21st century is absurd, backed up by nothing, pure paranoia. Luckily, the younger people are, the more they know this. The one benefit of not being able to get decent jobs is that millennials have been left with a lot of free time to socialize - and they have discovered that the paranoid fantasies of their ancestors are less than worthless.

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>>132697602
Communism has failed everytime it's been tried, but today, less and less people go hungry that can still complain about their crummy jobs because of their crummy lives that they fail to attribute to themselves. No one likes to be wrong and will transfer responsibility to the first idea that grabs hold. Communism is a scam and history proves that to be the case. I implore you to kys, for the sake of the working class, because one way or another, those are the options communism gives you you limp-wristed faggot.

>>132700680
are even fucking looking at what I wrote. France, as a political entity has existed for over 1200 years. That's unheard of in history. Typically societies last no more than 200 years.

England has existed for about 1100 years. Germany, in the form of the Holy Roman Empire, has been around for 1000.

There is nothing even close to that in multi-ethnic empires I've listed. And I challenge you to find one that has existed even half as long as those European states.

>>132701434
>Not for long.
>implying we have any realistic way of meeting the world's energetic demands let alone making them irrelevant
You're one of those pie-in-the-sky idiots who didn't actually understand Marx.

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>>132700474
listen you fucking Jew. a one world one culture no thinking tolerant diverse 8am-5pm social media addicted debt slaved society is NOT the fucking answer.

you're the type of person that needs to see something in order to understand, rather than being able to visualize based on your existing knowledge because of your fear of losing credibility. you seem too new to me. get the fuck back to your karma (good goy points) hoarding playpen. better just think that humans aren't animals and are different species like everything else that lives on this planet. that would be a bad thought to have, besides, we need more proof.

>>132701529
Define existence. Humanity, as diverse as it is, has existed on this planet for eons. A little experimentation isn't sure to destroy the entire human race now is it?
But I hear you're point, and raise you the world.

>>132701525
Capitalism has failed everytime it's been tried. Everywhere it has been tried, malnutrition, starvation, exploitation, imperialism, dashed hopes, destroyed ambitions and the death of the intellect has followed. It is time to admit that capitalism was a valid and necessary stage in human development, but that it is no longer feasible, discredited by history; nothing more than a new set of bosses barking the same old orders.

Capitalism must die. In fact, it is already dying.

>>132701736
I've been here for years, before Trump even. I came around in the Libertarian era. Soooooo, no.

>>132701736
and aren't* different species unlike*

>>132700733
>At the end of FY 2017 the gross US federal government debt is estimated to be $20.1 trillion
wtf i luv catipulism

>>132701890
>Communism has failed everytime it's been tried. Fixed

>>132701586
The technology is more or less already there, and getting even better. Nothing but the political manipulations of a small but dedicated cabal of oil vultures stands in the way. The petroleum problem is one of politics, not of technology.

>>132701434
gee, if only there were some historical examples I could point out where the exact senario I'm describing has happened. Oh wait.....

Rome fell to the Germans after several hundred years of Germanic immigration. First they came as refugees fleeing a war in the East, then the co-opted the Roman military, and then they sacked Rome. It can happen again.

What else is there? Perhaps we should consider what happened to the Arab caliphates after they invaded central asia? They were subjected to never ending waves of Turkic and Mongolian invaders. Who have ruled over the Arabs in their homelands for more than 1000 years. Last time I checked, the middle east was both a highly diverse place, and a major shithole. So I guess you're narrative fails again.


Or what about that time the Celtic rulers in the British Isles invited Saxon mercenaries to fight a war against other celtic tribes? How'd that work out for the British celts? Oh, that's right, they were ethnically cleansed from their own country, and the British Isles now speaks the language of the mercenaries they INVITED into their society.

give me a fucking break.

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>>132689924
Did someone say............

.................TECHNOLOGY

>>132701996
Yes, I notice the debt is suddenly no longer a problem, considering the right-capitalists just want to cut taxes for their corporate overlords and set the supply-side disaster right back in motion. Luckily these types, contrary to what you'd believe through /pol/, are a breed quickly going extinct.

>>132701996
>north korea
>starving ppl
wtf i luv socialism now?

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>>132702284
The weak should fear the strong , bucko. You sound fearful and weak. What I just read is that only the strong survive. If that's the case, then I hope you prepare yourself for utter chaos, in the event that that were to occur. My main point is that humanity will live on regardless, and your sex robot might suffer for it, but that's okay.

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>>132702212
I literally work on ITER. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

"The tech is already there" my ass, solar panels might be cheap but storage is an issue. Most of the tech we have right now could never withstand the current charge of the grid without backup fossil fuel plants even when largely deployed and we'll need 20 to 30 years to have a reasonable alternative to petrol just for general energy consumption.

And that's not even taking into account how all that tech relies on rare earths, because lithium doesn't grow on fucking trees.

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>>132690699
Hes right though you liberals want to see history as a linear progression you espouse this end of history bs. The fact of the matter is that west has just about reached its expiration date this hyper capitalized and individualized decadent society you are waxing poetic about is proof of this. Once the west falls all of these ideologies go with it and a new paradigm will take its place will it be the hyper nationalism and racialism a lot on this board hope for ? probably not but it sure as fuck isnt going to be what you are talking about.

>>132690786
>China
>homogeneous
>high social trust
This is bait.

>>132702714
that's a pigeonholed interpretation of leftism and not what most actual leftists are like. You are thinking of SJWism, which is hardly leftism and more like radicalism.

>>132702284
>Has to go way back in history to make the point, as if societies are no more educated than then

Nope, not convinced. Class consciousness continues to grow despite your ethnic distraction. The poor black man wants the same thing as the poor white man; only when little Eichmanns like you get in the way do they fail to notice that.

Fuck nation-states, fuck ethnicity, fuck race. No war but the class war.

>>132689924
This is sort of right, but in the end what will really happen is that the hedonistic nihilism you are describing will cause a complete social collapse and lead to ww3. After that we'll all return to pastoral farming.

>>132694468
This, I like to refer to it as the blood pill. he's the only way out and he gave his blood for it.

>>132702922
>Its not real leftism guys
Like clock work

>>132702929
I don't expect you to be convinced. I expect you to be the useful idiot that we serve up as a sacrifice to our enemies when the shit hits the fan.

Trust me, more people what your type dead than mine. Your movement is simply a pawn in a game you don't even understand.

>>132703146
And you'll keep hearing it until the day you stop mis-characterizing leftism.

>>132703196
No. You are simply a very paranoid, socially inhibited person who can only believe these things because of your lack of real world experience. There is no white genocide. There is no swath of Muslims comin' to getcha. There *is* a massive, international movement of the working class growing - and if you get in the way of that, it will be your own misfortune.

>>132695156
Sauce?

>>132703551
>it's an ancom doesn't think he is the useful idiot of islamists episode

>>132703551
i never said there was a white genocide, nor did I ever mention Muslims. You have imagined what I believe, and who I am, but that has nothing to do with me.

Until you can engage with the facts like the ones I've posted, I don't think you're going to go anywhere in life.

>>132703312
>Its not real i swear
where would you retards be without the no true scots man fallacy ?

>>132702533
North Korea is governed by a monarchic family clan
>starving ppl
is your source "The Interview" movie?

>imblying the bogda pill isnt the truest, and final form of enlightenment

>>132689924

The fix for globalism is nationalism.

The fix for capitalism/corporatism is socialism.

>>132703669
Bro, it's the ancoms in Rojava that are out FIGHTING the Islamist-fascists of ISIS, while you sit on your ass fapping your ego to Breitbart fear-porn all day. I'm under no delusion that there are no fascist elements in the Islamic world and the very real danger they pose, thanks in large part to decades of U.S. direct and indirect support of that ideology. Those forces must and will be crushed, as well as all other forms of fascism.

>>132703875
and the fix for spaghetti penis?

>Commies ITT thinking the inequality of wealth will create a backlash and spark their revolutions
As technology improves, human labor will become more and more worthless. Small batches of humans will be needed for only the most niche positions, while the capitalists and other employees within the companies make obscene amounts of profit. Surely this will stirr class feelings you say. Wrong, class feelings will diminish entirely as capitalist owned media (WP, for example) and government tells its victims what to think and what to do. Most people will be unemployed not because they don't seek jobs, but simply because there is so little work that needs doing. Socialism is the dogma of an age which no longer exists, an age when men did work through machines. In the future machines will do work, and humans will be accessories to them. How can the workers rise up when there's so little work that needs doing?

>>132689924

The fix for globalism is nationalism.

The fix for capitalism/corporatism is socialism.

Yessir the answer is Social Nationalism. We can call ourselves Soznats for short.

>>132703739
You've posted no relevant facts, so there's nothing to engage.

>>132697602
Cease control and then watch the world burn. No thanks. I dont mind capitalists as they do their own thing and i do mine. While you communist niggers would storm my house.

>>132689924
The "final" redpill is that for every redpill you digest, you will find two more. There is no final redpill.

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>>132703961
>How can the workers rise up when there's so little work that needs doing?
They still need food to eat, anon

>>132703767
>implying we are the ones committing no true scotsman fallacy when actually he's comitting sweeping generalization

>>132703875
the fix for degeneracy? which time and time again is the true culprit to civilization death?

>>132704276
Also what he said is total bunk. Take a drive sometime and count out loud how many times you see something that makes you think "Someone should do x". Plenty of stuff needs doing. Plenty of people want to do for a wage. Yet it never gets done. Because capitalism is incredibly inefficient.

>>132689924
>believing this shit

The final redpill is looking into the bronze age collapse and realizing THE EXACT SAME THING IS HAPPENING

>>132704276
What if they are all provided for.
What if the bourgeoisie is smart enough to give the proletariat enough to eat indefinitely, thereby postponing the revolt indefinitely?

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>>132703767
No true Scotsman implies that the Scotsman was actually born in Scotland and is Scottish.

>>132704540
Wouldn't last long. Power corrupts. The bourgeois would squeeze and poke and prod as much as possible, and give increasingly little while still retaining "ultimate authority" status. No thanks. No more rulers, no more ruled.

>>132704810
Seems to have worked well enough for it to survive for a couple of centuries, why would it stop now?

>>132704498
Or the Early Middle Ages/ 'Dark Ages'/ Migration Period.

The Fall of Nineveh and the fall of the Assyrian Empire mirrors the Nazis and the fall of Berlin.

Or you can take Terrence Mckennas Timewave theory and see that we're living in archetypes of history, with the past 20,000 years of human existence happening in months, with increasing speed.

>>132702880

>90% of the population is from one ethnic group
wrong sweetie

>>132704956
>Seems to have worked well enough for it to survive for a couple of centuries, why would it stop now?

said Louis XVI

>>132705137
Don't quote my own history to me in hopes that I won't notice.
That doesn't answer my question.

>>132705349
It does answer your question perfectly. Systems always work, right up until the point its victims decide they don't anymore.

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I wouldn't worry too much anons, increasing automation means that nations will either end up adopting fascism or socialism, and between the two fascism is by far the stronger and more efficient ideology.

>>132705449
My question was specific.
Why would we now be closer to a revolution than previously.

And provide facts. Not pure ideology.

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>>132705529
Yeah totally. Remember WW2 where the dudes who called themselves fascist went up against the dudes that called themselves socialist? Fascists totally showed how much stronger they were.

>>132699476
It's impossible for co-ops to work because of a lack of leadership and accountability.

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>>132705529
>By far the stronger and more efficient ideology
Yeah, more efficient in having wars and making profit for the ruling class

>>132705830
The astronomic increase in economic inequality, the rising profile of leftism/socialism around the globe, 50 percent of all jobs being automated in our lifetime, and the catastrophe of climate change. This is the soup of crises in which revolutions boil.

>>132705923
Nope. Again, it's just impossible for people who play fair to beat thieves.

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>>132705878
>USSR
>socialist
Yeah, right.

>>132702375
How do you feel about Steve Bannon pushing for a tax hike on the rich to pay for tax cuts to the lower and middle class?

>>132706057
Doubt it.
If anything as we advance the stakes are more and more on the side of the bourgeois since they don't even need the poor to defend themselves.

I'd like to see what Lenin would do against robots.

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Op got it 100%. Traditionalism is dying all over the world, not just in the west.

Im Iranian and the typical millenial in my country is indistinguishable from the typical western or american fag. Its fucking over. You guys are fighting a losing figh.

Globalism, consumerism and individualism won.

Its over boyos.

This was always my worst nightmare, but its the truth as technology has fucked us over.

Our destiny is degeneracy.

>>132705878
>he doesnt know about lend lease
Hahahah without aid from the decadent capitalist west the USSR would be throwing rocks at the Nazis from the Urals

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>>132706677
>he thinks this is sustainable

>>132706540
I feel it won't ever happen, because his masters in the GOP would not allow it. Trump and his boy Bannon are and always were the shiny object to distract disaffected working class whites while McConnell/Ryan get one last big bag of loot before the U.S. crumbles entirely. It was only obvious to everyone who paid attention.

>>132707109
I know how bad things are to the point that I know I have seen this image get jpeg artifacted through the ages

>>132694084
the future belongs to no one; we all have to die

Two words
Ted Kaszynski.

>>132706130
That doesn't even make logical sense. If nobody is taking the profit, then they could put it back into their business and make more profit.

>>132706573
I'd prefer not to ask Lenin since as soon as he took power he reverted to vanguardist bullshit and betrayed the workers councils.

>>132707109
Damn that image cut deep

>>132707372
>muh mencheviks
You're still fuck without the internal dissentions inherent to the left.

>>132707001
I'm no tankie, but to be historically precise, the USSR pretty much had the Nazis cornered before the U.S. even went to Germany. Hitler never stood a chance. His tactical deficiencies, his delusions of grandeur, and the mere fact that his own soldiers were humans and their own consciences would not permit them to fight at their best screwed him. That and the Red Army were badasses.

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>>132707352
Commies almost always acknowledge that co-ops and communes are less efficient than private business, they just tend to believe that we produce so much that we can afford to be less efficient with our production.

>>132707540
Leftists think critically. It's what we do. Fortunately Leninism is pretty marginal these days so there isn't much to fight about over it; most of the 21st century left aligns either with libertarian socialism or some form of ancom/syndicalism, with varying degrees of sympathy/hatred for USSR/Maoist China.

>>132705092
and? not all hans speak the same language. the most destructive wars in world history outside of the world wars were all chinese civil wars. there are periods within chinese history where china was divided into three or more dynasties. chinese people will throw each other in the bus if the opportunity came.

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>>132707806
>Leftists think critically. It's what we do.

>>132707806
No shit, I'm a fucking socdem traitor so I would know.

Still a buch of fucking splitters tho.

>>132704540
>what is exponential nigger growth

>>132707595
>the ussr had the nazis cornered
>he actually believes this
hue

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>>132707001
>The Nazis weren't funded and lent money to tho
Boy, are you this ignorant of your own history?

>>132689924
nigger that is the one most blue pilled take on the world possible. Its like red pill horse shoe theory.

>wake up sheeple

>>132708028
Easy, introduce drugs and they start taking care of themselves. Poor people aren't very smart.

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>>132708028
Theoretically you could just build more food producing robots.

Of course, this is assuming that this post-automation no work utopia exists, which it doesn't.

>>132693367

(((serious anthropologists)))

Also nationalist movements are growing OP. Don't know who will win, but I do know the future doesn't belong to defeatists.

>>132708136
you don't comprehend what you're getting yourself into Francois

>>132689924
>Consumer capitalism has all but destroyed culture and identity in the west, replacing it with individualism and self preoccupation
I'd say it replaced it with groupthink and wide brush strokes as opposed to being a self-sufficient individual.

>>132707710
Not exactly. It's more the fact that co-ops judge themselves by a higher standard than capitalist businesses. Thus, a capitalist business in which its workers are completely miserable and do not make living wages is wildly "successful" as long as it keeps piling up those profits. From the co-op perspective, that same company is an utter failure, because profit is not the motivator.

In other words, because co-ops are ran based on the needs of employees and consumers rather than just shareholders, they must "meet the mark" in several more areas in order to "succeed" than a capitalist one does. And when you're competing with businesses that do not give a fuck about several of those marks, you're already starting with your hands tied behind your back.

>>132694990
>I know who will fight both world wars in 1871, even using terms before they're invented

>>132708245
I'm just describing your southern neighbour Jack.

>>132707971
You killed Rosa.

But at least you're better than 99% of /pol/tards.

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>>132708369
>because co-ops are ran based on the needs of employees and consumers
Actually just employees. They have no more incentive to run their business to cater to consumers than any private business does.

>>132699317
>tens of millions slaughtered under communism
>durr russia surfife :^)

>>132707595
according to: "Number predictions and war" by Depuy, Germany remained man to man superior not just to the Western allied armies right up to the end of the war but considerably so to the USSR. Even by at Kursk Germany had a 256% fighting effectiveness advantage to the soviets, 1 German soldier was equal to 2.56 soviets in fighting ability.

By '44, this advantage had dropped to 180%, one German soldier being equal to 1.8 soviets. Depuy factored in the defensive advantage the Germans had, this figure is minus that advantage. So on an even field basis, 100 Germans were equal to 180 Soviets.

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>>132708168
>Implying birthrates aren't dropping worldwide except for Africa
>Implying we don't have enough food to feed everyone
>Implying introducing feminism and education to Africa won't help mitigate the population boom
Admit it, you're just a skinnyfat virgin who wishes to impose your ''identity'' onto the rest of the world like your richer forefathers were able to, but can no longer do because capital is getting increasingly multinational and the ruling class is crumbling in size

Get an identity of your own you niggerfart and perhaps you will get laid for once

>>132689924

Please ignore the OP. I was too stoned. The truth is that Stoicism adapted to nationalism can save Western civilization.

>>132707806
>Leftists think critically
>Education went public in the 80s and dropped any bit of critical thinking
>Created more leftists

I seriously am starting to think commies are less intelligent than bush niggers.

>>132708647
In 1941, the Germans had the advantages of surprise, preparedness, superior tactical doctrine. In 1942, the Germans had lost the first two advantages, but their superior doctrine made the difference. By 1943, the Soviet forces had caught up, in some cases overtaken the Germans in quality of equipment, and doctrine, to a sufficient degree to be able to win with a 2- to -1 numerical advantage, like Grant and the North against Robert E. Lee and the South in 1864-5.

>>132694468
Jesus gave me juvenile diabetes and testicular cancer?
>have to take insulin shots to stave off death with every meal
>missing my left nut
"God" planned this for me? "God" is giving me free will, but I'll hurt myself if I start raping and enslaving like "alpha" fags?
Fuck off.

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>>132708694
>thinking that not having children is a good thing
>thinking that people deserve food for existing
>thinking that Africa would be better with feminism

>>132708369
>Shareholders take half the profit, workers take half the profit, business succeeds

>Workers take all the profit, business fails

Your argument I s literally that communists are greedy birches with no long term planning or consideration fir an entire group's wellbeing rather than their own.

>>132708719
Source?

>>132708711
What is essential according to him if it's not survival?

Cause honestly that sounds like a bullshit pivot to avoid having to solve the economics of reality.

>>132709032
>Not engaging with anything he said
>Pretending his point re: birthrates dropping after feminism reaches a society isn't objectively true
>wants as many children to get born as possible but doesn't care how many of them starve
>is autistic

>>132709118
LOL. Workers take half the profit in capitalist businesses? Show me a single business where that is the case.

Moron. Profits are unpaid labor. Workers can't "take" something that's already theirs.

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>>132709343
>"wants as many children to get born as possible but doesn't care how many of them starve"
>thinks that because I want people to work for a living I want them to starve

>>132709320
Yeah.

"It shouldn't matter so much whether you have enough money to live a decent existence!"

Literally, only a rich "intellectual" could say this with a straight face.

The final redpill is to submit to the Jewish Zionists and aid them in their conquest of humanity.

If you want the entire species to evolve and move out of a primitive tribal mindset we must move to a more closely controlled and hive-minded society. If you oppose this movement and the Jewish Zionists, you oppose the evolution of our species out of an animalistic age. The Jewish Zionists are a blessing to the human race because they are a united, educated, intelligent people that wish to take control of the future of our species.

This is the true final redpill. You are falling prey to your primitive tribalistic mind if you disagree. You are a part of the masses that must be culled so we can evolve if you do not submit. There is no escaping this.

>>132709447
>thinks little kids should work for a living
>probably defines "work" as "profitable work for private business"
>ignores disability, lack of job opportunity, etc.
>is simplistic
>is autistic

>>132709343
So you're saying co-ops have EVEN MORE profit to put back into the business and still can't match up to somebody taking the profit for themselves?

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>>132709633
>was lazy as a child and never had to work
>probably defines work as "do something that I like for a couple hours a day"
>ignores retraining programs, military enlistment, etc.
>views economy is dualistic terms

>>132709498
>jews
>superior
kikes are only superior in terms of verbal intelligence which is why they haven't ever produced top level geniuses in science/math fields beyond credit-stealing fame whores like (((Einstein)))

>>132709671
Are you seriously this dense? Profit is unpaid labor (surplus). Co-ops give democratic control over the surplus to the employees. They don't have "EVEN MORE" profit; they have NO profit, because the workers are in control of the fruits of their own labor.

I'm not a big co-op guy but christ, this is anti-capitalism 101. We consider profit bad. Are you older than 16?

>>132709498
Youre right, we need to racemix into oblivion until our children also develop 70 IQs from their lovely Somalian genes.. kill yourself

>>132709897
>admits he likes child labor
>thinks only the capitalist class is entitled to do work they "like" and to refuse to do work they don't "like"
>wants the working class to serve as cannon fodder ala every fascist ever
>is autistic
>the Nazis got BTFO and would again

>>132710162
Perfect example of a person that can't even see past racial differences.

Do you care more about your race or your species? What an unevolved waste of space you are.

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>>132710173
>views chores as child labor
>thinks anyone likes working as a sewage worker, or that the work isn't necessary
>views the military as cannon fodder ala every communist ever
>thinks I'm a Nazi

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>>132689924
>pro-individualism
>anti-capitalism

>>132710044
Two companies produce 100k wealth. One company is able to succeed while shareholders take more than half that wealth. Second company can't compete while not paying that wealth out to shareholders. Why?

>>132710318
>thinks his lack of clarity is everyone else's fault
>thinks only the proletariat should do the "necessary" work that people don't like to do
>die scum

>>132689924
Strasser was right

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>>132710490
>is so paranoid about the capitalists that he thinks anyone talking about working during childhood is slaving away underaged in a factory
>complains about life not being fair because he has to work unpleasant jobs instead of improving his own situation
>politely requests that I die

>>132710408
The shareholder model means that people invest in the company- it's not simply that the company produces wealth, it has more capital to invest because of the stockholders.

>>132693229
I hope this is bait

>>132710408
Because worker protection is of zero interest to the first one and of paramount importance to the second. Because merely growing the business regardless of worker misery is the goal of the first and the opposite goal of the second. Because first business robs from its employees to grow the company, while the other pays its employees the value they created.

BTW this is all self-explanatory. There is a reason only you keep asking these questions.

>>132708055
Nice deflection retard

>>132701434
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Upper class faggot retard detected.

I agree with you that everybody will want the same thing, but thats precisely what creates chaos, retard. During a time of chaos, people will stay with their own. Every Spanish person you know that speaks broken English is 100% more likely to side with people who can communicate effectively with them.

You act like there is going to be a mass Kum-Ba-Yah if capitalism collapses. The truth is that, unless you have hard ties to people to minority ethnic groups, you're much more likely to become alienated from them if things go to shit. Spanish, Chink, Hatian, Islamic, etc ghettos are going to unify and protect their OWN, which will leave us more vulnerable to invasion by an external military force. The ability to effectively communicate will mean the difference between a murder and a transaction.

Also, you really think that armed drug traffickers aren't waiting for a meltdown to move their product and control territory? You're a fucking naive retard.

>>132708948
>quality of equipment
And where do you think they got that equipment idiot the USSR had like what one gun per squad before lend lease ?

>>132710761
So these workers can't take a small pay cut to help their co-op grow? And that's the fault of the capitalists and not the workers being greedy and shortsighted? Remind me again where communism has any ounce of critical thinking.

>>132710708
>still hasn't described what he meant by wanting more population growth but people to work for a living
>child labor or child starvation if parents are poor?
>thinks the poor choose to be poor because fake meritocracy and imaginary free market
>still hasn't explained why only one group of people should have to do unpleasant work
>thinks unfairness should not be opposed like every other bootlicking impediment to progress in human history

>nothing polite about it. to the gulag with you.

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>>132710879
Well thats embarrassing

>>132689924
Wrong. Humanity will destroy itself in a nuclear holocaust before that happens.

>>132710807
>more paranoid ravings

I wonder if you were sane prior to Gamergate

>>132710879
>forgets Germans got a ton of stuff from the U.S. too

The Nazis lost because they sucked. They lost for the same reason the U.S. keeps losing: using the working class as cannon fodder to protect a system that isn't doing much for them anymore = an army that has little commitment to the mission.

Fascists will always lose because of this.

>>132711110
>a (((communist))) projecting paranoia onto a goy presenting reasonable and factual concerns

oh wow this is new

>>132711215
>the U.S. keeps losing
What the actual fuck?

>>132711110
Where do you live anon?
I life at the end of a dead end road with crack dealers every 3 doors. I'm not worried about my well-being if society goes to shit, they like me and my roommates.

I'm worried about people like you. You think that advocating for the working class is going to help you out, but it won't. You are not working class. Stop trying to tear the fabric of many innocent lives for your shitty fucking ideology. If I lose the ability to pay my bills because of you faggots, I'm taking heads; and so is my neighborhood.

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>>132710981
>still hasn't described what he meant by wanting more population growth but people to work for a living
It means I want people to make babies, and I want people to work for a living.

>child labor or child starvation if parents are poor?
If the parents are unable to take care of their child then they shouldn't be allowed to raise them.

>thinks the poor choose to be poor because fake meritocracy and imaginary free market
Pretty much, I'm not saying anyone can become rich, but pretty much anyone with intelligence and hard work can become middle class. If a muslim Iranian non-citizen with no money or knowledge of the English language or western civilization can do it, then I'd expect anyone else to be able to do it as well.

>still hasn't explained why only one group of people should have to do unpleasant work
Whether they should or shouldn't has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to embrace a system that doesn't work because it's "fair". I support systems based on the prosperity they bring to the people.

>nothing polite about it. to the gulag with you.
Oh, you're a tankie. Shame I see so few genuine communists on 4chan.

>>132710914
>workers can't take a small pay cut

Why would they accept less money than they created? Why would any sane person do this if the capitalist system doesn't force them to?

Not to say co-ops don't sometimes vote to grow the company in one way or another with the surplus.

Capitalists get the advantage of shareholding, a concept which your posts have repeatedly revealed you do not understand in the slightest.

Seriously dude. Read just a summary of Marx. Hell even watch a Richard Wolff video or something. You are proving you do not have even the slightest grasp of basic econ 101, let alone anti-capitalism 101. This is a ridiculous waste of both of our time.

>>132711215
>
The Nazis lost because they sucked. They lost for the same reason the U.S. keeps losing: using the working class as cannon fodder to protect a system that isn't doing much for them anymore = an army that has little commitment to the mission.

communists have never ever used the working class as cannon fodder

>>132689924

I'll allow it.

>>132700314

Actually this is probably true, tho.

That whole be at the table or on the menu thing.

>>132711342
Name a war the U.S. can truly be said to have "won" since WW2. The first Gulf War wasn't even a war, just as a preemptive reminder.

>>132711539
The Cold War.

And if you want to argue definitions, name the one you're using, because by that logic 'Nam was a police operation.

>>132711215
The Nazis were given 475m while the Soviets were given over 11b. Please take a math class.

>>132711505
Exactly- commies are mostly alienated whites, so they can't fathom anyone else expressing actual in-group preference. They don't understand that it's what pretty much how everyone outside of their middle-upper class circles operates.

>>132711215
>the U.S. keeps losing: using the working class as cannon fodder to protect a system that isn't doing much for them anymore = an army that has little commitment to the mission.
Except the USSR and The US used working class cannon fodder and they won so youre retarded, The US never provided munitions or armaments to nazi germany during WW2 so thats another moot point and according you retards we're doing great right now in the US so piss off back to your bourgeois safe space

>>132711422
>shouldn't be allowed to raise them but should still have them
>middle class myth that only a teenager or retired Baby Boomer could believe
>implying capitalism "works"
>no not really but fascists will certainly die when the revolution comes

>>132711673
Wernt the nazis only given financial aid pre WW2 ?

>>132689924
Not when you build yourself to be the next JFK minus the ending. 2040!

>>132711671
First Gulf War wasn't a war because there were not two military forces engaged in combat.

Cold War? Not a war either.

>>132711707
>implying communism could ever be implemented

>>132701434
Kek. I lived the Baltimore riots. Literally saw blacks loading TV's from Ace Hardware. I saw car's with signs that said black owned vehicle written so that they wouldn't be smashed (thats something they didn't show on the news btw) What sort of fenced off suburb are you from?

>>132711673
>wahhh the U.S. shoulda gib us strong Nazis moar

Btw source?

>>132711674
I'm not denying "in-group preference". I'm denying it to the hysterical, apocalyptic degree you're affording it.

>>132711820
Second Gulf War then.
They left a fucking mess, but they still won. And fucking quickly at that.

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>>132711707
>implying any parents who are too dumb to provide for their children should be allowed to raise them
>is so allergic to work that the idea of even making it to middle class status is unbelievable
>implying I'm a capitalist
>implying the commies will win the revolution

>>132711820
>"give me an example," pleads the moron
>every example given will declared not an actual example by said moron
You are a colossal faggot. No wonder you are hiding behind that flag.

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>>132710879
>one gun per squad
kek

>Jew detected.

>>132711842
this
>>132711873
Where are you from, faggot?

>>132711938
>hysterical, apocalyptic degree
LOL. Yeah, because ethnic cleansing has never happened. Not once. People don't try to kill each other over in-group preference or anything.

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>>132711820
>First Gulf War wasn't a war because there were not two military forces engaged in combat.

>>132711842
When people are rioting what is a civilians defense at that point in time? I suppose even when people act like animals you still don't put em down for real what the fuck is wrong with it being socially acceptable to allow people to be dumb enough to not understand how life works what the fuck is wrong with everyone.

>trying to predict the future
I predict that op is a faggot
See i can predict the present, because it's true

>>132711691
Most nonsensical post ever.

>other imperialists used working class as cannon fodder

Yeah except the aims were distinctly different. The aim of Nazi Germany was to establish a great empire for the middle class and corporate puppeteers to enjoy, and to do some ethnic cleansing. What was in it for the working class soldiers? The U.S. had a nice, shiny gateway to the middle class waiting for its soldiers, after asking them (honestly or not) to engage in a battle of defense.

Psychologically, the Nazis were not going to get over this disadvantage. For the same reason the U.S. would never have won the war in 'Nam. People just don't fight that hard when they've got fuck all to gain.

>>132712118
I'd imagine a gun would be best, but strangely enough the nigs in Baltimore were more concerned with grabbing shit than fucking with me or other whites.

>>132711842
Sounds good. Stealing corporate property is a valid, arguably heroic act.

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>>132711820
You know Iraq has a military, right?

>>132711947
>but implies parents too dumb to provide for their children should still give birth to them
>Nazi scum off our streets
>except you won't be in them anyway cuz autism

>>132711938
Well, what do you think is going to happen when millions of low-class Americans are suddenly out of work due to a market collapse and rampant """activism"""?

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

Holy shit m8. I do hope there is a major market collapse that wipes a massive chunk of already poverty-ridden people like myself. You are truly clueless aren't you?

>>132712190
>defending capitalism to support you sophistry
Whats worse than your sophistry is you're terrible at it

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>>132712280
>the car that the working class owns are now considered corporate property to commies
This is why the working class hates you people.

>>132712236
I'd go as far to say a gun isn't enough and that there needs to be a mobilized force dedicated to preserving the safety of it's citizens made up of men with a strong sense of nationalism. So that went rioting morons try to loot and ruin peoples hard work they're eliminated for being traitors. RWDS-lite

>>132690699
>history is full of examples
Yes, history is full of examples of this, and we're witnessing nothing new. History also tells us that a collapse is imminent.

>>132712292
In the first Gulf War, they had a military that literally didn't engage us.

>The Gulf War Did Not Take Place

http://halliejones.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Baudrillard-The-Gulf-War-did-not-Take-Place.pdf

>>132689924
>Capitalism *with jews*

>>132689924
You don't smell a Luddite and greenpill backlash against technocracy? All the groups you said will fizzle out would probably ally with each other instead of submitting to a kike dystopia. I think propaganda resembling the unabomber manifesto is going to get more popular and current globalist vs nationalist political axis is going to largely be replaced by a technocratic vs neo-Luddite axis.

>>132712493
What socioeconomic class do you belong to?

>>132712429
>thinks explaining a reality is defending it
>is autistic

>>132712578
Proud prole.

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>>132712361
>implying I want everyone regardless of circumstance to have children
>implying antifa hasn't defined all of the working class as Nazi by now
>implying an unarmed minority is going to defeat a well armed majority in the revolution

>>132702414
>if options 1 and 2 suck then option 3 must be the best idea
your logic is impeccable, anon. but why stop at 3? why not option 4? and why stop there when you could go on forever jumping to the next fad ideology each time somebody points out 3 subjective problems with the one we're on.
you retards post this shit in every thread. i know /pol/ is reactionary in nature but do try to think from time to time before posting.

>>132712581
>Thinks completely contradicting his previous point isnt sophistry
I really cant wait to start beating you faggots

>>132712452
>conflates obvious reference to the Ace Hardware TVs with working class cars or whatever

Destroying personal property is bad, but will inevitably grow as the crisis of capitalism comes closer to its peak. Desperate people are angry people.

>>132689924
>2017
>thinking capitalism is a distinct economic arrangement and not just a general theory for understanding economic arrangements
you must have left your brain in the last sheep you shagged

>>132712645
>proud prole
>thinks working at star bucks makes him a prole

>>132712657
>probably watches Antifa vids all day in mom's basement and thinks he's gonna take 'em down
>will never leave said basement
>is autistic

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>>132712758
And desperate leeches anger the working class when they attack their livelihood.

>>132712844
Starbucks workers are 100% prole.

Starbucks workers who poison the bourgeois who come and demand to be served coffee are
1000% prole

>>132712910
Yes they do. And that anger is great. Its our job (the left) to channel it properly. Given that a majority of American youth now identify as socialist, we are doing a good job of it.

>>132697602
>Most millennials in the U.S. now identify as socialists rather than capitalists - nothing like this has ever been witnessed.
Yeah, either commies or national socialist. Everyone's clear on the capitalist Jew at this point, Karl.
>The problem is staring you in the face: smart young people with masters degrees working at Starbucks.
You do realise that education is a service, right? It's voluntary. If you haven't done proper market research and you end up with a Degree in African Tribal Dance studies, you'll be working at Starbucks.
>The youth aren't rapidly turning to leftism because it's a trend. They're doing it because they're fucking broke, and they're sick of it.
They really aren't turning to leftism though. Millennials have been left-leaning forever. But people begin to realize that it is THAT SAME leftism that let it degenerate to this point. NatSoc is the final redpill.
>Global communication, now open to everyone on earth, has given the workers the last tool they needed to coordinate the final showdown - the end of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
You are insane. It is the bourgeoisie's tool to turn people against each other. Diversity+proximity=conflict. The kikes win, you lose.
> Even you fascists, in all your fear and self-loathing, can still yet join in the glorious coming of the age of unlimited prosperity and freedom for all!
Oh my, ad homs. I love myself and my people and will work in their interest. You're working for the elites, unwittingly, and for free.

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>>132712844
These people don't understand real work or self discipline. They stop at the lowest step and never strive to reach further, and they think that because they have no ambition or drive to work that the rest of society is what is bringing them down.

But you know what they say, soft men make soft targets. These people are going to get themselves killed in the revolution they want to incite.

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>>132713107
>Given that a majority of American youth now identify as socialist
Only 33% support socialism.

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>>132689924
Dude, it's literally been like that forever. I read this book about ancient Mesopotamian civilizations and this shit existed even then. Every several dozens of years there was a "back to our roots" social movement and deep discussions about societal changes. You think it's a 21st century thing? You're so naive...

>>132689924
>Muh wrong side of history

>>132713165
>Implies there are a significant number of Nazis among millenials outside of /pol/
>Implies there aren't people with STEM degrees working Starbucks too because dumb teen who still thinks "good degree=middle class"
>Again asserts there is a big movement of Nazis outside of /pol/ despite zero evidence, most likely because of /pol/ addiction and lack of exposure to outside world due to autism
>Oh noes the Jews
>Thinks Hitler instituted anything close to socialism
>Thinks the elites prefer communism over capitalism, whether racist or non-racist capitalism
>is an autistic teen

>>132689924
kiwis are becoming the new leafs

>>132713260
Wrong. Look it up. But you won't cuz anything you don't like = fake news

>>132712979
>starbucks
HAHAHAHAHA holy shit.
SCREENCAPPING THIS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Nobody in my neighborhood can afford starbucks.

Jesus, you anarchist cunts are a riot. Gud luck having no discernible skills after you gullapse gapitalism. You also live an a wealthy suburban area, don't you?

>>132711873
I'm not even a Nazi you dumb fuck, I just have the critical thinking skills necessary to spend half a minute fucking googling.

>>132711761
Yes.

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>>132713561
Point me to your source then.

>>132689924
>a fucking kiwi

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>>132712979
>works in a corporate establishment that serves 8$ coffee
>won't quit because mom will kick him out
>thinks he's doing more good by pissing in the coffee than by quitting and boycotting starbucks
>the hero we don't deserve

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>>132713897
He will be killed in the revolution for serving the bourgeois scum coffee. Probably while begging for his life and insisting he's a "true prole".

>>132712645
You sound like the lazy guy on the crew of a easy union job.

>>132714068
kek

>>132689924
You're basing the entire argument on the premise that Humans do not rapidly change within the course of several years. Fact is: Anything could happen.

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This Chillean Dance Forum has had a huge increase in nazis over the last couple years.

>>132713561
I seriously can't tell if this nigger's trolling or mentally impaired

>>132713489
Do you truly believe all of WW2 Germany were nazis? All a racist needs to do is fool the masses then crank up propaganda machine and covertly genocide minorities. Are you dense?

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>>132714094
>>132714145
He's a Starbucks worker, but you ever notice these guys are never part of the serious working class? They're never construction workers, coal miners, veterans, or mechanics, they're always in some job that not only requires no education, but no skill, and is intended for high school and college students as a temporary job.

>>132714586
I work in sales and reail. :|
Taking HVAC classes in a few months though.

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>>132714709
>Taking HVAC classes in a few months though.
See though, you're improving your situation. These guys, they never do that. They sit around and complain about "the man" keeping them down.

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>>132707595
>Red Army were badasses
lol

>>132715731
And that's with the Red Army being given 22 times as much funding. Like imagine funding a gunfight in America where you give one side $100 and the other $2200. One side literally can't afford a gun and the other side can afford several. The side that wasn't even given firepower killed twice as many. The Red Army blew ass.

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>>132689924
This guy is just way too optimistic judging by the current political landscape.

Sounds like a snowflake repeating his wise college professor, basically..

Jewish propaganda. Muslims make sure 'interconnectedness' never works the way it should.

The future you describe only exist in the mental fabric of your safe space.