civic nationalism hate thread

>>132654388
You know civic nationalism is the first logical step towards ethnic nationalism, right? Currently we have neither and I'd glady take civic nationalism over nothing. We have to win people over slowly and not go full 1488 right away. Why can't retarded stormfags understand this?

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>>132654664
You're partially correct, but we cannot lose sight of the goal. We do not have the luxury of being complacent with people who want to destroy us.

>>132654388
Stormfriends don't seem to understand that practically nobody takes muh huwhite nationalism seriously

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>>132654664
that's why i made this thread

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>>132654911
A lot of people are retarded sheep, popularity is not an indicator of truth or justice.

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nah lets sperg out like we did in the 90s again haw

>>132655136
You have no right to force your desires on a nation when the vast majority of people don't want it.

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>>132654911
>>132655392
Exactly. And I am eager to see more white people die for the decisions they make. They west will be destroyed beyond recognition. It already is in many of its cities, take London, Frankfurt or Marseille for example. There will be nothing left of us. And white Europeans and Jews are entirely to blame for it all.

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>>132655677

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Oxytocin Promotes Human Ethnocentrism:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029708/

Ethnic Conflicts: Their Biological Roots in Ethnic Nepotism:
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ethnic-conflicts-their-biological-roots-in-ethnic-nepotism-tatu-vanhanen.pdf

What Science Says About Diversity (Part 1):
https://www.amren.com/news/2008/04/what_science_sa/

Genetically Beneficial to Resist Replacement Migration:
https://analyseeconomique.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/estimating-ethnic-genetic-interests-is-it-adaptive-to-resist-replacement-migration.pdf

Race Mixing:
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_health_consequences_of_race_mixing/
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/alon_ziv_on_race_mixing/
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/10/study-claims-92-of-biracial-children-with-black-dads-are-born-out-of-wedlock/

Race Realism:
https://pastebin.com/xDXXT9kd
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.humanbiologicaldiversity.com%2Farticles%2FFuerst%252C%2520John.%2520%2522The%2520nature%2520of%2520race.%2522%2520Open%2520Behavioral%2520Genetics%252C%2520June%252C%25202015.pdf

>>132654388
Civil Nationalism is better than your shit and dead ideology.

>>132654911
Wrong.

Every "socially liberal fiscally conservative" dullard completely goes 180 on everything they spewed years prior, as soon as the equality of race reaches their daughter's bedroom and their neighborhood's demographics, as opposed to Facebook.

You know nothing.

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>>132656265
welp guys guess we better open up our borders now

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>>132654388
>still debating civic vs ethnic nationalism
>not taking the national transhumanism red pill

>>132656265
Watch as many programs above the daily life of South Africa or Brazil as you can.

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>>132655133
jesus christ...

>>132657024
it's fake, dumdum

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>>132657167
it'd better be
but its the cucktipedes so you never know

>>132656721
stop pushing your meme idealogy, shitskin

I know, I know, you want to be made white with the whites man technology but it belongs to us alone

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>>132654911
>>132656265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6GA4dMZw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FwXhBmc0aI

>>132656767
This.

>>132657167
>>132657324
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6a6iex/shariablue_thinks_this_triggers_us_thus/

>>132654388
I fucking hate the way those goblin-spawn look. Like a cross between a downie potato and a melty fish.

They should be burned alive, seriously. Abominations no one should ever have to look at.

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>>132657393
>Literally linking reddit
This should warrant a ban.

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>>132657662
they were saying it was fake, i proved it was real

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>>132657327
I am white, faggot

>it belongs to us alone
And why not allow shitskins to become "us"? Do you not want more high IQ Whites to exist?

Are greeks white?

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>>132657904
>>132657393
fuck i hate r*ddit

>>132655151
the green one with the yellow shirt

>>132657393
People don't really think reddit is as bad as it is, its worse than you imagine. I went there awhile back imagining it to be /pol/ lite with cucked shit but it was a bunch of people circle jerking gays and nonwhites on the "conservative" subreddits.

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>>132658033
>I am white
barely

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>>132658302
not sure if you've noticed but they're flooding onto /pol/ right now

>>132657393
Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahshhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahuahahaushhsua
R/thedolen are definitely /ourguys/ fuckin based monkey fuckers. Lefties think we're right wing, but heres this guy pissing away his genetic heritage just like they want. Also based mexishit fucking a white girl in the comments. Gotta have them caramello babies. It's all good because the government gave him a piece of paper that says he's allowed here.

>>132654664
Win who over? Nonwhites? Idgaf about nonwhites, i care about winning MY people over, go back to plebbit with your meme ideology civicuck .

>>132656721
Kek @ the most stupidest shit i've ever heard.
You basically want to turn nonwhites into whites?
How many years in the future to do this?
500-1000?
We have less than 50 years before we face extinction dumbass.

>>132663364
>How many years in the future to do this?
>500-1000?
>We have less than 50 years before we face extinction dumbass.
And where did you get those numbers? Out of your ass?

>>132662825
Win over "anti-racist" whites slowly, while simultaneously buying time by legitimizing the movement by our multiethnic society.

>>132663558
Every White Nation has taken out their own demographic predictions and they ALL say that Whites will be minorities in their OWN homelands.
Now look here , whites are already the minority worldwide, whites make up just 8-10% of the global population.
And now our White Nations are getting flooded by millions of filthy shitskins and they reproduce at a rate 10 times more than whites.
White Nations have a replacement ratio of just 1 child per couple on average.
The number of children to sustain a homogeneous population is 2.5 or above.
Nonwhites in White Nations have 5-10 or more cockroaches per fucking couple.
Add to this racial-mixing, and also add the fertility rate amongst whites.
White women now want to have children by their 40-50's, the fertility time frame ends when you start in your 30's.
Their wombs don't work anymore and many can't have children.
And you civicucks want to embrace Civic Nationalism?
Where you don't care how many nonwhites there are, aslong as they are proud Muricans and follow the Conshtituthion then it's alright?
You are still going to get DISPLACED you fucking civicuck nu-male faggots, god dammit don't you cucks understand?!!
The VOLK make the nation and not the other way around. A Nation is created by a group of people who share the same blood, culture, traditions, etc.
This is why Europe has Europeans, Africa has niggers, and Asia has gooks, because they come from those regions and created their own unique cultures and traditions.
A multicultural civicuck state has never ever fucking existed at any time in history.
The only time i would say that Civicuckism has worked was when a people wage war and conquer another people and keep them under their control and force them their culture and traditions.
So in order for Multiculturalism/Civicuckism to "work" it needs to be forced unto a homogeneous people, which is what the kikes are doing and it's what you plebbit faggotpedes are also doing.

>>132663847
But you Civicucks want to win over nonwhite shitskins, not whites, that is the fucking problem.
Meanwhile us Fascists, WN, and NatSoc's want to win over whites, and not shitskins because they don't fucking matter.
Our movement is to help our own volk, not some " BASED NIGGER PEDE " .

>>132656575
I prefer property rights. A private citizen should have the right to sponsor any non citizen as long as he bears the costs.

>>132654664

The people bashing civic nationalism are only like 1% actual ethnic nationalists. The sheer amount of low quality threads aimed at bashing the ideology have cemented for me that it is the lynch pin of the alt-right and it has shill masters terrified.

Civic Nationalism promotes social cohesion, individualism, and national sovereignty without being vulnerable to the "muh racism" straw man. The more fed-up normies conceptualize it, the stronger it becomes. It is the vanguard of anti-globalism.

>>132665867
> lolbiterian
Your ideology is more fucking stupid than civicuckism.
You Lolspergs care more about economics, about muh property rights and fucking money than you do about your own Volk who are dying out.
> BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO WILL BUILD THE ROADS INSTEAD OF OUR VOLK UNITING AND BUILDING THEM TOGETHER LIKE A UNITED COLLECTIVE.
> MUH INDIVIDUALISM
> I CARE ABOUT MYSELF AND ONLY ME, ME, ME !!!

Fuck off .

Civic nationalism embodies the forward thinking and pragmatism made of the Roman Empire and in my opinion is the superior template for nation building. I think making every American of every race color and creed an American nationalist is a bit more realistic than "white nationalism" I think we can all agree on that. The only people who care about identity politics in the first place are losers at life who have not achieved anything of major significance and can only harp on the past. (I.E Richard spencer, David duke etc etc)

We are the modern day romans and we should be proud of this. I put more value into patriotic black Americans than trendy white lefties.

MAGA!

SHADILAY!

>>132666351
would poland exist without polish people? ask yourself that
>>132666545
consider suicide

>>132666351
Civicuckism is a fucking meme ideology that will hurt our Volk even more and that is why we fucking bash on you civicucks.
What is the difference to what you want to do and to what kikes want to do ???
Both of your meme ideologies will only lead down one fucking road ... and that is white genocide and the replacement of Whites in White Nations.
Idgaf about the fucking constitution, my volk is more important to me than anything else in this world.

Your ideology is Globalism but disguised as a far-right movement.
Also civicucks are mostly nonwhites themselves or mixed race mongrels that don't want to get kicked out of white nations when us NatSoc's and Fascists take them back.

>>132666545

Ethnic Nationalism is perfectly viable and preferable in my book, but requires better circumstances. Those states capable of it (like Poland and Japan) should maintain it at all costs. But Civic Nationalism is the pragmatic solution for the United States.

>>132666545
lmfao holy shit

>>132667202
America is a White Nation founded for Whites and their descendants.
Enough of this multicultural murican meme pushed by shills.

>>132654664
>Stormfags
>Understanding things

Pick one

>>132667416

America was founded by rebellious Anglo-Saxons, incorporating a 1/6 African slave population and numbers of native Ameri-Indians. The U.S. has quite literally always been multi-ethnic.

>>132654911
except for all of your ancestors

>>132667649
indians weren't given citizenship and blacks were brought to be slaves, not equal citizens

the usa was intended for whites

>>132666545
You're basically either straight up unamerican, or a gutless coward for giving up civic nationalism

It will never work with Jewish influence though

>>132667964
Listen here Paddy McPotatonigger

White means fuck all, the Irish, the Italians, Slavs are useless trash compared to anglos and Germans. It's WE WUZ WHITE CIVILIZATION nigger-tier logic

>>132654388
Civic nationalism is controlled opposition that doesn't address the important question

>>132667964

I don't deny that, but what has that history yielded?

Founded by English and Scottish Protestants.

Absorbed Germanic Protestants.
Absorbed Irish Catholics and Italian Catholics (neither of which were considered "white" at the time.)
Integrated and acculturated Japanese and Chinese populations.
Citizenship to natives and Hawaiians.
Freed African population.

And the ethnonationalists dream is 1950s, after that has all happened.

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>>132654388

>Oh no, people are looking different!

>>132667649
Idc if they were rebellious or not, America is a White Nation you nigger and it even says there in the god damn Consititution that any free WHITE MAN can become a citizen of the USA.
They built this country for their descendants , not for some shitskins leeching off our civilization.
Also the people who brought niggers here were jews and jewish slave ships, not W.A.S.P.S .

Also, America has always been a Homogeneous Nation from 1776- 1965.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of '65 , pushed by ((( them ))), opened the floodgates and in came rushing the nonwhite hordes.
America was 95% White in 1965, now we are 65% White ( including White Hispanics ), in 20-30 years White Americans will be just 30% of the Murican population or lower.

> BUT LET'S KEEP BRINGING IN MORE NONWHITE PEDES AND LET'S KEEP PANDERING TO NONWHITES INSTEAD OF OUR OWN PEOPLE !!!

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>>132654388

Americans only push civic nationalism because they have no ethnicity.

They take pride in their founding which killed 80,000 English people and then ruined their ethnic homogeneity with immigration from other parts of Europe and later everywhere.

>>132668609
This nigger again

Most civic nationalists want stuff like the 1965 immigration act to stay and deny Europeans or other whites the right to move here. They believe that nonwhites will vote for nationalists polices when that's the opposite of what happens in reality. America needs to reduce immigration and make it mostly European and Anglo like how it was Pre-1965. Otherwise the America we know today will simply become another Latin American country with high crime rates. Even Trump has stated he wants more European/Anglo immigration which could mean he wants our immigration act replaced with a previous version that favored mostly whites over the third world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mob-8wN6kpU

America unlike Brazil was founded as a white country and should remain as such. We mostly allowed Europeans to move here up until 1965 and we should bring that back. Civic Nationalism wasn't too kind on Rome and it won't be kind to us. Nonwhite birth rates are already low, I don't see why we shouldn't bring back white majority immigration and lift all restrictions put in place all those years ago. Not to mention reduce immigration to at least 250,000 - 500,000 yearly like how it used to be.

>>132669703
the usa up until 1965 had an immigration policy designed to keep the country majority white

>>132669966
They certainly didn't build this country for Italian and Irish criminals, for fucking Catholics, and certainly not your average commie libshit

>>132668609
You're Literally a divide and conquer shill
Fuck off kike and take your niggers elsewhere

>>132654664
>You know civic nationalism is the first logical step towards ethnic nationalism, right?

No it's not and one thing does not beget the other. Typical yank sophistry full of holes. People on board with a nationalism based on country and values aren't going to suddenly 180 and declare it to be about race all of a sudden, go up to any of the retarded mongrel Nazi LARPers from America that are all over the country and see what type of sympathy you get asking them how they feel about ethnonationalism. America is fucked if you truly believe the browns are going to concede to you and be your buddy once whites are a minority. Idiot.

>>132656575
>Civic Nationalism
>NATIONALISM
>Open borders
>NATIONALISM
Do you suffer from cognitive dissonance or you're just fucking retarded?

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>>132658624

>>132670140
all he said is that people who study in the usa should have the right to stay, he used europeans as an example, but in theory it could include anyone

>>132670204
Even Trump wants the majority of immigrants to be either European or Anglo if you've seen the video I linked.

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Only muricans and roaches come up with such retarded terms

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>>132670322
yeah mass nonwhite immigration is okay as long as they come in legally XD

>>132670236
This is why we you are doomed to fail, your own insecurity and lack of intelligence (probably because you are a nigger piggybacking off thr success of real nations) prevents you from seeing that you are in fact the kike-manipulated cuckold

Enjoy your homosexuals and commies

>>132669703
Don't matter if they were not considered white, they are white .

> integrated gooks
They used them as cheap labor to build some nu-tier railroads in California
> giving islandniggers citizenship
They didn't bring em unto the mainland either, the Pacific Islanders stayed in their own nations and kept them homogeneous.
> Freed niggers
Which was a fucking mistake, both sides of the war wanted to kick the niggers the fuck back to Apefrica.
The kikes in America stopped lincoln from doing this.
You got rekt NIGGER.

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>>132654664
>>132654911
>>132667564
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED BLACK MEN!!!!!!! WE NEED TO WATER DOWN OUR VIEWS OR WE WONT WIN LEL

>>132666351
>Civic Nationalism promotes social cohesion, individualism,

These two things are in direct conflict with each other and if you can't see that you are severely retarded. You can't be an individualist AND a communal member of a society that shares common beliefs and ideologies. Individualism and the belief that the individual is greater and more important than the whole is what got us into this mess in the first place and spawned the most worthless and self-important generation in recent history. This thread is full of posters like you and the guy above who don't actually know the meaning of words or terms and just say anything that comes to mind.

>>132669817
t.mongoloid mongrel asiatic subhuman.

WHOA YOU ARE AN ETHNIC NATIONALIST??
ARE YOU A FUCKING RACIST OR SOMETHING!
FUCK OFF STORMFAG!!!

BTW I LOOOOOOOVE ISRAEL! BASED ISRAEL!

t. boomer/civnat

>>132670965
I like how you couldn't even find a suitable post to attach your strawman too

I don't even think you're actually white
>>132670745
The thing is, you can, human beings exist on a basis of duality

>>132670235
There have been multiple Aryan Migrations into Murica you filthy nigger.
The First Wave were the W.A.S.P.S
Second Wave were the Catholics , mostly Irish and Italians.
Third Wave were everyone else from Europe.
Whites built this nation for ANY FREE WHITE MAN .
This includes all of Europe.
The anti-irish and italian stance occured during the second wave, mostly due to difference in religion or social classes.
But all in all this nation is white and that's the end of it.

>>132671334
They didn't build this nation for Catholics and communists, or for kike shills like you

>>132670509
You are the kike controlled puppet you fucking idiot.
You are shilling for multiculturalism, don't you fucking understand that?
Also your whole meme ideology implies that somehow nonwhites will work with us and together sing kumbaya and everything will be fine.
You civicucks are fucking god damn retarded fucking faggots that are race-traitors in every sense of the word.

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>>132657904
quick kill it .... put it out of its misery ...

>>132670695
Kekkkk

>>132671740
>I've been found out!

>>132671633
Catholics also built this nation you plebbit civicuck faggot.

And you are kike and commie-tier also.
Kys seriously, your meme ideology will never EVER fucking work got that?

>>132657327
>Jews own the tech companies building transhumanism tech via asian slaves
>White people made it.
Why do hwites do this?

>>132671740
In case you don't understand, I'm shilling for American culture

No muslims, no lefists, no kike puppets who are willing to overlook the massive problem that is the modern white liberal

The Jew fears American nationalism, its toppled ethnostates before

>>132671940
You have been found out ((( GOLDBERG )))

>>132670695
Is this the original "INCLUDE ME IN THE SCREEN CAP!"?

>>132654388
>"I do not know the difference between civic NATIONALISM and multiculturalism"

Listen, Jimmy, you aint superior because you are white. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. But you are so pathetically fragile that you must point fingers at other so they don't come for you.

Truth is pal, if things would go your way, you'd still lose. Think of it like this: if getting rid of the usually less educated non whites would improve life, and if the people saw that mass killing and so solves issues, why would anyone want to stop? Things is, next they come for your uneducated ass.
>"but I'm white..."
And them nonwhites were human, though luck, you aint of use.

All your shifting of your own inferiority won't save you, it will prolong your judgement. Once there is no Jamal or Juanito to compare yourself too, and once other whites see how inferior you are, buckle up...

>>132672204
American Culture IS white culture dumbass.
America's culture, traditions, spirit, soul, heart is European and that is something you civicuck faggots can't wrap your head around.
America will no longer be America when whites disappear.
Instead it will turn into a third world shithole like Africa or India.

>>132670140
Anglos killed German, French, Nordic, Spanish, Italian, Irish culture and replaced it with (((white))) culture.
>Stupid niggers

>>132672490
TIL Jazz isn't american

>>132672204
And Jews fear a White Christian Fascist Power Bloc, not a civicuck nigger infested america
Jews are pushing civicuckism unto America, you are pushing their agendas without knowing it you idiot.

>>132670204

I acknowledge that 1965 was a terrible decision, which is why I specifically called to the 1950s. Unfettered, destructive immigration is not a tenet of civic nationalism.

My point is, that at the most prosperous idyllic time in American history, it was already heavily multiethnic.

>>132670269
It's if anything the opposite. Civic "nationalism" effectively breaks and waters down proper nationalism. It goes out of it's way to ignore things such as ethnocentrism which is inherent to most people and tends to express itself given sufficient numbers in most groups. Civic nationalism is the bullshit that the old conservatives tried to go for and it's inherently an unworkable concept that does a hell of a lot of damage.

Americans especially have the "false" proof that it works with European immigration. Ignoring that they had a group that mostly blended in with one another in short order as they overwhelmingly belonged to the same ethnicity just different groups of it.

>>132672478
It's the same shit , both are the same thing, both are racial ideologies desgined to replace whites you nigger.

>>132672490
>an American wanting to be more European

A literal cuckold
>>132672939
That sure sounds like a nation based off ideology, are you fucking retarded. I think you're a good example of a non-white thinking he's white and doesn't realize his nigger logic exposes him

>>132672557
Kikes replaced it with (((white))) culture.
They are the ones behind nonwhite immigration and cultural marxism.

>>132672645
No one gives a fuck about jazz nigger.

>>132671266
You guys are ignoring that for a country to exist, people need to agree on a great many things and share fundamental values and ideas. Ethnocentrism NUKES that, it completely blows it out of the water alongside any group that does not go for it. It wins out against any other approach in the long run. Civic nationalism is effectively Neocon 2.0. It ignores all the reasons why it failed so badly before and why it will fail just as badly now.

Except, you don't have a 96% white population in their best years as a starting point and several decades now. If you go for civic nationalism or try to bring it about, you are going to end up as the next Zimbabwe, right after South Africa.

>>132673206
civic nationalist really don't want to use political office for culture wars, they want to make sure the water supply stays clean.

>>132665342
And we found mister tiny penis 2

>reproduce 10 times more
Yeah, you've heard it here folks, ever brown couple actually has 13-14 kids, at least

>sustain a homogeneous population
Why on earth would you want that? An overly homogenous population is prone to inbreeding. The key should be to make space for more intereuropean migrations. Add a few Polish and Spanish genes to that Anglo.

>2.5 birthrate
Listen, in modern days, with infant morbidity low, life expectancy growing, that means literally doubling the population over time.
You backwards imbecile, only higher classes should at all, because we don't have the comodity to let lesser reproduce future welfare leaches. Plumbers? Sterile. Hairdressers? Sterile. Construction workers? Sterile.

>women want children when they reach their 40-50s
No no, they actually want them when they are 100. Also, African birthrates are a gorillion. Your facts seem to be 100% correct....

Multiculturalism =\= Civic Nationalism
In fact, civic nationalism is MONOculturalism.

You think imbeciles would be imported? No because they can't integrate into the culture.
Civic places the culture above the ethnos, defining the NATION via the CULTURE.

>>132673426
Anglos did fuck wad. Jews are just Anglo house niggers. We're all the field niggers mad at the house niggers

man & girl go out to drive under moonlight. they stop at on at a side of road. he turn to his girl and say: "baby, i love you very much" "what is it honey?" "our car is broken down. i think the engine is broken, ill walk and get some more fuel." "ok. ill stay here and look after our stereo. there have been news report of steres being stolen." "good idea. keep the doors locked no matter what. i love you sweaty"
so the guy left to get full for the car. after two hours the girl say "where is my baby, he was supposed to be back by now". then the girl here a scratching sound and a voice say "LET ME IN"
the girl doesn't do it and then after a while she goes to sleep. the next morning she wakes up and finds her boyfriend still not there. she gets out to check and man door hand hook car door.

>>132673169
>90% white
>heavily multiethnic

>>132673559
Are you fucking retarded you are directly contradicting yourself, another braindead like shill

>>132673426
That Jewish guy selling hummus down the street? Totally their ringleader.

All those jews from different cultures, nations, ethnic backgrounds? All the same, and all have a hive mind
White people are literally the only people with plurality.

>>132672478
This is some terrible bait.
>>132673237
Why are you responding to it though. It's horrific bait that wholly ignores ethnocentrism, in and outgroup preferences etc all while adding some slippery slope fallacy where somehow these things which have existed since humans started forming tribes escalate to absurdity.

>>132673283
> An American doesn't have to be more European because he already is European.

Also tell me this, how is multiculturalism and civicuckisn different ?

>>132673559
>Next Zimbabwe

RIP Rhodesia.

>>132673689
>white
>ethnicty

This people is why having children with your sister is a bad idea

>>132673994
It is the truth

What, you'd honestly prefer some inbred hillbilly or a liberal Commie to a normal and decently educated ching Chang?

>>132673794
>Wild claim someone contradicts themselves, no actual proof is given
>Talking against Neocon bullshit? SHILL!
Seriously? You aren't even trying.

>>132673569
I'm literally keking at your fucking deluded and insane logic right now.

You are one of the most stupidest people i've ever argued with on /pol .

You just can't be serious with what your saying, you have to be from /leftypol/ .

>>132674010
Because, it is civic nationalism
N A T I O N A L I S M

Civic nationalism define nationality by culture not ethnicity.
That being said, civic nationalism is more prone to defend that culture than ethno nationalism, because it IS what makes the nation.

Fascist Italy was aiming to be civic nationalist.
But let me get one thing straight, white is not a fucking ethnicity. You have never been an ethnic state, since the first minute of your existence you have been multiethnic

>>132674061
white americans are de facto an ethnic group

>>132673653
The founding father's were against kike immigration into America.
Kikes have been pushed out of Anglo Nations countless times.
The kikes just got better and better over the centuries and infiltrated like parasites until they got control of the British Empire.

>>132674499
>insane logic
>guy who thinks all nonwhites have a birthrate of 15

>>132667202
>Ethnic Nationalism is perfectly viable and preferable in my book, but requires better circumstances. Those states capable of it (like Poland and Japan) should maintain it at all costs. But Civic Nationalism is the pragmatic solution for the United States.
This is a great statement. Ethno Nationalism is not viable in the US. Having said that. We can make it more ethno centric by increasing our numbers and reducing others through sound policy such as... destroying affirmative action, AKA legal white racism, and to destroy the welfare state. Trust me, you do those two things, you will see a huge difference. Ethnic people in the US need to be held accountable for their actions.

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She's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too white for this to be true.

>>132674743
>the founding fathers
Why not go back to the glorious days when jews were murdered for being blamed for the fucking plague. Or better even, the days when they were blamed for collective deicide for "Killing" that nazarine insurgent

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>>132654388
I feel like there is one single scenario where civic nationalism would work.
Allow ethnic communities to be founded, no different than Native American Reservations. Where the locals decide their own laws.
These people would still come together to form a Federation, but the role of the federal government would need to be scaled back as you transition power down to the local levels.

>>132674662
>white Americans are de fact and ethnic group

And yo momma's ass is a geographical location.

>>132673936
Not your average everyday kike, i'm talking about the 1% that rule our world and control our governments.
The 13 Zionist Jewish Families.
Rothdchilds, Rockefellers, VanderBilts, Astor, Bundy, Kennedy, Collins, Du Pont, Van Duyn, Onassis, Russel, FreeMan, and Merovingian.

>>132675056
it would quickly descend into tribalism

>>132674181
I'd prefer a descent and law abiding White Christian you nigger.

>>132674181
Holy mother of false fallacies. Firstly it's not an either or choice. Secondly, if you go for the Chinese guy, you are dead. It's that easy. You are done for, might aswell hang yourself right then and there. It's like passing the ball to the other team in a football match because you don't get along with the people on your team. They wont reciprocate and you will screw yourself over. You were going out of your way to wholly ignore ethnocentrism, which is rapidly rearing it's head in Australia and New Zealand, whom are effectively being colonized by the Chinese and will in short order fall under their hegemony. Canada also seems to be on a good way, with the Chinese advancing their own while effectively cutting the natives out but taking full advantage of your egalitarian bullshit when beneficial to them.

Wanting a commie dead and gone, does not mean I want to replace that person with a Chinese, Arab or worse trash. There is zero reason to do so, ever. As for inbred hillbilly, they're mostly a meme. Heck you morons even go out of your way to ignore that European and Anglosphere nations have some of the lowest percentages of consanguinity and inbreeding all around. While mudslimes, certain groups of spics and others are incredible inbred.

Any group will inevitably produce bottom feeders, it cannot be prevented. What matters however is how bad said bottomfeeders are and how numerous and this is a factor that differs wildly. You cannot use these as an argument, it simply does not work. It's an "X is dumb and s/he is here, therefore we can import all the dumb people of the world, otherwise we would need to get rid of X too, HA!".

>>132674919
We need to boost the white birth rate in America and successfully repeal the 1965 immigration act so most people coming here are European or of European descent. Not to mention reduce the amount of yearly immigrant numbers. I linked a video with Trump wanting to increase European immigration to the US. So it's possible we could get the immigration act repealed and replaced with one that favors whites too.

>>132673569
>infant morbidity

You are literally retarded fucking kill yourself.

>>132674919
http://www.patdollard.com/fundraiser-for-white-majority-project/

Here's a decent project that could help make a good replacement for the Hart-Celler act. There's also the RAISE act that Trump supports. Which would reduce legal immigration numbers.

>>132671266
nigger

>>132674657
Civic nationalism is a meme. It does not work, has never worked. You claim it's more prone to defend it but you cannot give a SINGLE GODDAMN EXAMPLE because it has never existed. It's the communism of nationalism in that regard.

You know who creates a nation, it's culture and customs? The goddamn people. Exchange the people and you will get a completely different nation. The people create the culture, the people propagate the culture, change the people change the culture. Simply taking them and placing them inside another culture will not magically make them part of said culture. Especially if they differ wildly both by things such as IQ aswell as physical characteristica. According to your logic, we could flood Japan with Somalians and nothing would change as long as these Somalians would adopt Japanese citizenship and see themselves as Japanese citizens. That is absurd beyond belief.

"Caucasian is not an ethnicity". Are you directly from tumblr or something?

>>132674795
What is r/K selection theory. How does placing r selective groups inside a K selective mayority, then forcing the K selective mayority to divert huge ammounts of resources to the r selective one affect both groups.

>>132655392
Civic Nationalists have no right to force genocide on white people, but that's not stopping them.

>>132675384
You already have tribalism. The only group that got hammered into believing this is not the case is White Europeans/Americans. Tribalism is ethnocentrism, ethnocentrism is the winning move in any case where you are competing with another group. Why is it that the people who are happily engaging in it, are screaming the loudest when others adopt and play at it?

>>132675307
Eh as long as you aint an antisemite, beats me what conspiracy you believe in.

>>132675445
>believing in a hebrew zombie is relevant

>>132675448
I am literally saying 1
1 freaking Chinese guy.

>you morons
Hey, you think I would love to drop Africa 's population to a few tens of millions?
The thing is, if some of those miserable people somehow ended up being smart, useful and integratable, then let them come
Both you and I know that only a handful of people will meet the criteria.

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>>132674657
"White" is purely an American term.
There is no "Asian" race either, and yet that is how we do our censuses.
also
>using WWII Italy as an example for anything
ayy lmao

>>132674657
Ok, and how would a civic nationalist state look like ?
If it's really about ONLY CULTURE, then Europe is a perfect example of Civic Nationalism right ?

Then a White Nation made up of different white ethnic groups who share the same new found culture and traditions is what Civic Nationalism would be about right ?

Then why pander to nonwhites if it's only about culture?
Why not pander to Russians, Germans, Poles etc, to unite and form a Civic Nationalist State ??
You know why you can't do that? Because Civicuckism is not about culture, Civicuckism is about race and you want to keep a state multi-racial but you want them all to become one single culture and to not see race but to be patriots, which is fucking stupid because that will never ever fucking work.

And the VOLK, A HOMOGENEOUS PEOPLE OR SIMILAR RELATED ETHNIC GROUPS make the Nation and not the other way around.
The Volk make the Nation, Culture, Traditions Etc.
The Volk build and make the State.
Without the Volk there is no culture dumbass.
That is why National Socialism is Pure Fascism, because at it's core is a Racial Ideology.
It knows that the Volk are the main center of attention, the culture and state come second because without the Volk then the nation does not exist.
Got it nigger ?

>>132676292
I don't know if you know this but... Blacks spawn more blacks.

>>132676196
>tribalism
>ethnocentrism
So every 2-3million of whites on their own? You do realise that there basically is no proper ethnic group in Europe bigger than 10-20 million at best?

>>132655133
le redditors are such fucking faggots

>>132676472
I've got a philia.

Multiple philias actually.

>>132674795
I said 5-10 , which is true and you can look it up.

Civic nationalism is a gateway drug into white nationalism. It's a good thing. No one stays a civic nationalist forever.

>>132654664
>implying there's any notable difference between civic nationalism and liberalism

>>132675019
We are you hooked nosed rat.
We are actually approaching that day and it will come in the near future.

>>132666545
The romans at the start of their empire were one race, similar to modern Italians, with less Arab admixture. They were made up of latin tribes in Italy that they conquered, they only had (((civic nationalism))) because concepts of race back then were not well developed. And when Rome went full blown multiculturalism is when it started it's descent and collapsed.
Ancient Rome is actually a great argument for race nationalism, because multiculturalism destroyed Ancient Rome, just like it is and will destroy America.

>>132674662

I actually agree with that statement, and that historic reality came about due to Civic Nationalism creating a common identity for formerly disparate populations.

>>132676513
>letting in 10 educated Africans a year
>a threat

>>132676473
>homogenous
Let me explain to you newworlder what that means: it means in what state you were born in, you will die. It robs you of your freedom to chose your path.
The term itself, homogenous, makes no sense today. You think there is a French volk? A German volk?
Look at goddamn haplogroups, Germany has several ethnicities, what binds them is culture.

>NatSoc
>pure fascism
You are truly lost

>has the urge to call others nigger
Aaaand here we have someone with a tiny penis

>>132673936
>different cultures, nations, ethnic backgrounds
Ashkenazi's are the only Jews that matter.
>>132676292
>Eh as long as you aint an antisemite
Oy vey

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Daily reminder that a large amount of American posters are non-white and should be dismissed as such. Same goes for those using fake flags.

>>132670235
Well you shouldn't have let them in you dumb fuck. But like most WASPs you're brainwashed by kikes. You had NO problem with kikes immigrating and then they pushed for other Catholic Europeans to sow dissent and multiculturalism so that white men were not united. And then they pushed for ethnic shitskins to immigrate and white men weren't united and didn't give a defense. And now White Americans are set to be a minority, and how much of the population do you WASPs make up?

You should have strangled every hebe that washed up on your shores if you wanted to protect America as a WASP wonderland. But way too fucking late now, good goy.

>>132676792
There is no country with a fertility rare above 7.5.

Further more, you said 10 times higher than Europeans. Euro fertility is at around 1.5, 1.5*10=15

The average fertility of all of Africa would be at best around 4-5
You incraised the number 3 times

>>132677365
That number includes:
1) White Hispanices(whatever the fuck that means)
2) Many Indians
3) Persians/Arabs/Turks
4) Jews
What's the real number, are they even at 50% anymore?

>>132677763
>white hispanics
Same as white Americans, just speaking Spanish

>>132676532
Bloody hell you are being desperate now. If you want you can break down any group to the nuclear family and then it's individual members. Which is basically what you are trying to do here to disprove an entire ethnicity, the sub groups making it up and the sub sub groups etc.

It's like claiming Japan and the Japanese do not exist. Because they split into various smaller groups by geographics such as Hokkaido and Mainland Japan. Then further breaking it down to singular cities who have slight variances in culture and habbits, then neighbourhoods etc.

Degrees of relation and similary MATTER, a whole lot. As long as people are fundamentally close enough in most regards, which includes physical appearance because it's a huge factor in assesment to the point where babies start out as inherently racist, you can make it work to one extent or another. You get problems when you have competing ethnic groups within the same state, as they struggle for control over the government to effectively push for their own benefits and lose any kind of common ground. There isn't a single blatantly multicultural or multiethnic state that has not been a huge clusterfuck in human history. And no, smaller interest groups within the same larger group do not count.

"You, your sister and your parents are different people. Thus your family does not exist, any kind of relation is imaginatory and I have disproven the concept of family and relation by pointing this out!" is NOT an argument.

>>132676797
The opposite. Civic nationalism is effectively "Neocon". It's what arose from actual nationalism. You guys are advocating for turning back the clocks and trying it again. Except you don't have the foundation or time to do so, as if you try and fail at it, you are toast.

>>132676797
It's liberalism for "conservatives" i.e Neocons.

>>132677763
it sucks so much
moving to europe soon brahs

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>>132677365
DELET THIS

>>132677084
> letting millions of niggers in
> not a threat, we can make them into Americans GOYIM !!

French are Germanic as are Dutch and Swiss etc.
What unites them is a common ETHNIC AND CULTURE, both of those things make a nation, a state you civicuck.

NatSoc is pure Fascism, and
> Shilling for white genocide
> calls me lost
Kek

Also answer me this, would you let a nigger marry your white daughter if he was an " outstanding and law abiding murican citizen " ???
I really want to hear your answer .

>>132677365
t. Butthurt paki or nigger
Fuck off from Britannia feral monkey.

>>132677585
I said the nonwhites who are flooding white nations have a fertility rate that is around 5-10 subhuman children.

Learn to read nigger.

>>132656351
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Is that it? Is that seriously it? So one day you'll see your daughter dating a nigger like the brainwashed whore she is and that's it? That's what's going to automatically make you a white supremacist? Holy shit, please don't ever reproduce. You'll be doing your children a favor not just in not bringing them into this world, but also to spare them the fate of living with a mentally retarded manchild for 18 years of their life. Faggot.

>>132679908
That is the ultimate sin you filthy subhuman nigger.
To defile herself with a literal monkey and piss away her Aryab Essence and Beauty, to spit in the face of her ancestors that paved the way for her existance, not some filthy niggers in Africa.
Of course a civicuck race-traitor would not find anything wrong with his daughter fucking a nigger.
You are all fucking cancer and will hang on the day of the rope.

>>132654388
Can someone please clear this up for me. For white nationalists in the USA, how do you justify your views on white nationalism? The United States, as I understand it, has long had multiple races of people within such as Indians, niggers and of course whites. Also, it is not just one group of white people, though of course that does not exclude white people from having any sort of group identity. Actually curious, because I support you, plz no bully

>>132680637
For me White Nationalism is taking care and advocating for White Americans.

>>132654664
Good goy!

>>132657327
>>132663364
>>132665342
>We have less than 50 years before we face extinction dumbass.
Jews wandered the Earth for 1900 years after the Romans destroyed their homeland. Are you claiming whites are inferior to Jews?

National Transhumanism is the logical path whites can take to create an ethnonationalist state. All other paths lead to violent civil wars.

>>132680378
>>132681400
>You are all fucking cancer and will hang on the day of the rope.
>For me White Nationalism is taking care and advocating for White Americans.

This shows the contradiction of all white nationalists. They claim to love white people, they have no reservations about having day of the rope fantasies where they hang every single white person they don't agree with politically. In that sense they are just as anti-white as globalist jews.

>>132673481
It made rock music faggot.

>>132680378
>muh ancestors

Who gives a shit what your ancestors did? They're useless, they aren't better than you whatsoever, unless you happen to be descended from someone such as Charlemagne himself. Otherwise, your ancestors didn't pave the way for existence for shit. The only reason cucks like you care about "muh white lineage" is because you're fucking nobodies, so you cope by thinking your ancestors were better than you, when in reality, they weren't much different at all.

>>132681400
You seem to have some issues

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>Yes goyim, no non-whites are allowed on the right. We're going to advance our agenda, expand our movement, and defeat Marxism only by embracing racial purity tests. Your only choice is Nazism or being a mass immigration-supporting ethnomasochist SJW retard.

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>>132654664
>You know civic nationalism is the first logical step towards ethnic nationalism
Bullshit. It is the first step AWAY from ethnic nationalism. Ethnic nationalism is founded upon the principal that all people are not equal and that genetic differences make different races socially incompatible. This is antithetical to civic nationalism's core tenet that people are equal regardless of the genetic differences. The two are also fundamentally different on the subject of what culture is. ethnic nationalism posits that culture is molded by people while civic nationalism says the exact opposite. If anything, the ethnic egalitarianism of civic nationalism is a stepping stone towards marxism.

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>>132677365
Civnats with American flags are almost certainly in the 37.4% (or 44% by some surveys).

>>132660626
>Cruz 4 Prez
>open borders

u wot m8

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>>132672092
No they didn't you pike faggot. Protestants built this country. Mick just landed here after the hard work was done to leech off of protestants.

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>>132685788
Brilliant rebuttal, Schlomo.

We're waking up to your attempts to radicalize and marginalize the right. Give me a Hispanic neighbor with a family, a good career, and who isn't on the dole as my neighbor versus an obese basement-dwelling, perennially unemployed permavirgin Nazi edgelord like you any day of the week.

>>132671334
>irish
>italian
>anglos

>aryan
Are you fucking retarded or just unable a larping faggot who thinks aryan=european?

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>>132654388
Murdoch Murdoch's episode making fun of CivNat made me kek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcA1TtaP_c

>>132684536
>>132686296
This is the dumbest attempt at reverse psychology I have ever seen. You're just pushing civic """"""nationalism"""""" because you're a fucking spic and ethnic nationalism would result in your ass getting sent over the border with your own people.

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>>132686590
Nope. I'm in favor of freezing immigration tomorrow and mass deportation of illegal aliens. That doesn't mean I'm going to engage in racial purity testing for those to be allowed on our side.

Many non-whites understand living in a white majority country is in their best interests, and we recognize our (((common enemy))). Not all minorities are stupid enough to want to be pawns on the left's chessboard. Unfortunately though, the majority of them are.