What does the Constitution mean by 'general welfare'?

>>132639170
It says Union and general welfare of the people. The founding fathers were Democrats.

>>132639170
>promote the general welfare

it means to promote it, not pay for it you fucking commie kike

PROMOTE

WHY CAN NOBODY SPEAK ENGLISH ANYMORE

OH MY GOD I HATE DRUG ADDICTS

>>132639170
>Promote general welfare
>Do what is in the best interests of the people, as per the will of the people

There I put it in different words for you so you can read it and feel dumb

>>132639170
The argument comes down to, what does promote general welfare better?
- A welfare state
- A small, free market goverment
Decide for yourselves.
Remember that the constitution doesn't limit goverment, libertarians do.

>>132639382
DAY OF THE RAKE

It means to promote General Obama to toilet duty

>>132639705
yo. lookit dis nig readen n shit,,, shiiiiit

>>132639170
It means whatever you wish. Point is the preamble has no effect on the enumerated powers of congress or the 9th and 10th amendments

>>132639170
Dumbass
that doesn't mean healthcare
What makes you think Welfare = Healthcare?

Fucking commie kike

>>132639170
Aren't laws considered part of the constitution as a whole?

>>132639170
Promote not PROVIDE.

>>132639170
Federalist paper 41 has your answer, I will post corresponding reference soon

>>132639170
are you black? only a black would only know the second, less prominent meaning of 'welfare'

>>132639557

How's that 3rd world tier flyover state treating you?

>>132639170
Where in the Constitution does it say anything about separation of Church & state?

>>132639716
>Remember that the constitution doesn't limit goverment
WRONG! Fuck off commie.

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>>132639170

Welfare = safety, meaning: protection from foreign occupation. Hence the ridiculous spending budget for our military. Pic related. Everything with a "circle" or "dot" = American clay.

I wonder how it feels to live in an occupied country/territory....

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>>132640951
How am I wrong? Give me an argument you faggot. And don't call me a fucking communist.

>>132639382
>general welfare of the people.

it means if in time of emergency your neighbors are starving you work to feed them without expecting to be paid because they would do the same for you

>>132640966
>I wonder how it feels to live in an occupied country/territory....

you know exactly how it feels, or did you think that America was controlled by Americans currently?

>>132640936
not an argument

>>132640936
>evades the point
>straight to ad him

top kike desu

2Bienestar general" for you my chicano brethren

>>132641222

>muh Russia maymay

Euroblob pls go.

>>132641071
Because the entire power of the Constitution is limiting the government. Why don't you provide an argument?

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>>132641849
The state of your country right now.

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>>132641849
More than 50% of the population is democrat, immigration still increasing, huge taxes, people constantly trying to take your rights away.

>>132639170
"But what would have been thought of that assembly, if, attaching themselves to these general expressions, and disregarding the specifications which ascertain and limit their import, they had exercised an unlimited power of providing for the common defense and general welfare"
- Federalist Paper 41

Here we see the author deride the sophistry employed by his fellow writers who implied that general welfare, common defence and the levying taxes clause were to be unlimited based on their language. The author states that this, on it's own, might be true, but that the language within other articles does define it. On the grounds of standing armies, the author views them as a necessary evil which should be reduced to local militia levels, or whichever level is appropriate, in order to reduce unwarranted taxation. In the levying of taxes for the unlimited general welfare, the author cited that the government's role is supremely defined in the articles pertaining and ergo the term cannot be expanded past what has been prior defined. This means that the Legislative branch shall do such and rule only in matters given to the Federal government, placing statewide systems such as ACA under a violation of the 10th Amendment

The reason the SCOTUS upheld it? Obama pigeonholed them into ruling if it was legal for the Federal government to levy taxes instead of the actual Constitutional Question

>>132640938
The first, which has been summed up into such phrase

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>>132641071
something something 9th amendment,
something somthing 10th amendment,
somthing something limitation clause
something something numerated powers.
now fuck off.
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it kind of sucks the supreme court has used 'power to regulate interstate commerce" as a catch-all numerated power to give the government way more power than was intended though

>>132641849
>>132642214
>>132642442
You're arguing the same point. You're welcome.

>>132642214
What the fuck? How is that possible? Did they not count servicing the debt into the "surpluses" or something?

>>132639170
No matter how you read it it is NOT saying that health care is a human right. Now if they were to add an amendment that would be one thing, but promoting welfare may as well be saying the government should do robocalls telling you not to get sick.

Probably the wellbeing of the people.

>>132640936
this is an over 18 board.

>>132642732
Why can't I fire anyone for any reason? The constitution works like that but I can be sued for it.
Just because you have a piece of paper, doesn't mean ANYONE on the left believes in it or it's authority. Leftists will take over your country and rape the constitution unless something about the demographics changes, mark my words.

"General Welfare" is what is good for everybody. Social security and socialised healthcare aren't good for everybody since you are taking money from some people and giving it to others. This is "selective welfare" since some people are worse off because of it and not "general welfare".
It's extremely difficult to argue something is good for everybody. The constitution specifically grants the government the right to manage post offices because otherwise you could argue that post offices aren't good for everybody - only for those who chose to use them.

>>132639170
OK, faggot, here is how the Constitution is supposed to work:

It makes a legally vague, and thus non-binding, opening statement on the purpose of the document. Then it goes on to set up the various branches of government, the states, and it defines things like how to amend it. It also enumerates the powers and responsibilities that congress, the president, the SCOTUS, and the states have. It is those powers and responsibilities that are legally binding, not the preamble.

>>132642732
And as you likely know, a farmer in Ohio who did not grow wheat for sale but for consumption by his own animals was nevertheless found liable for violating interstate commerce trading laws.

>provide for the common defense


>promote the general welfare


Hurr durr I'm too much of stupid commie nigger to understand the difference between provide and promote.

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>>132639170
>actually believing the constitution says the government should pay for healthcare


How can you POSSIBLY be this retarded? Oh right,you're leftists.


The founders fucking hated central government. There was no:
>FBI/CIA/NSA/BATF/DEA
bribing people - corrupt politicians - permanent congressman/ senators
>huge federal agencies
>massive bureaucracy
They hated all that and you fucking dipshits think they wanted a centrally controlled health industry? HAHHAHAHAA NO!
>buh buh healthcare!
Isn't it funny how leftists always want more government program ,yet hate cops and constantly say the government os oppressing them? What do you fucking geniuses think a giant government that controls your healthcare is going to be like?
Stupid fucking degenerates.

>>132639716
>Remember that the constitution doesn't limit goverment, libertarians do.

Prove this is true.

>>132643647
1776. Then libertarianism never held power and that's why the goverment constantly grew. Same here in Europe, where we had freedom people, we fought for freedom. Currently we have 5% support in Poland and we might become the next most free state if we lead this movement right.

>>132639716
>Remember that the constitution doesn't limit goverment, libertarians do
Uh yes it does lmao! You're just used to the current tyranny violating it so much it seems normal.

>>132639170
You know how there are a bunch of chemicals in our water and food that creates many diseases? The opposite of that is promoting general welfare.

As the Romans say, test a water source by seeing if people get old and remain healthy. We no longer fit under this.

>>132640936
>acting like ohio is worse than california
LMAOOO !! You lefties are scum.

>>132643862
"lmao" For 200 years your goverment has grown.
>>132643647
Also when libertarianis was prominent in the Republicans, you had a free and prosperous society.

ok idiot OP. welfare was not invented till the middle of the 20th centuy so the constitution is not talking about benifit programs. It actually means people should not be forced to pay the bills of other people too stupid or lazy to work.

>>132643557
Wickard v Filburn

One of the worst SCOTUS rulings in existence. It's right up there with Kelo v New London.

Can't you read?
PROMOTE GENERAL WELFARE
which means
PEOPLE HELPING EACHOTHER OUT ON THEIR OWN

>>132642482
Thanks for providing the historical background for what I wrote here
>>132640165

Daily reminder that the constitution describes a republic.
Daily reminder that a republic isn't a democracy.
Daily reminder that democracy is cancer.

>>132644755
Monarchy>Oligarchy>Republic>Democracy

>>132642442
Still not an argument. The purpose of the Constitution is to limit the government. You cannot argue this.

>>132645024
It's it purpose but it doesn't do shit.
You only have freedom when people who are the most important in your nation are for freedom.

>>132644755
Democracy is demographic and cultural suicide.

Promote general welfare =/= enforce general welfare. If the government does it with your taxes then it's not encouraged it's enforced. I'm a stupid leaf who likes healthcare but I'm not gonna pretend it's written in the US constitution, which is a very fine document.

>>132639170
general welfare is promoted if subhumans are left to die

>>132645304
>'promoting welfare' with mandatory contributions
This argument has already been made about every other mandatory tax in the country.
>social security
>public education
Literally no difference

>>132645138
>It's it purpose
So my entire argument is legitimate, regardless whatever you said before or after. Stay mad, commie and more importantly: come and take it.

>>132645235
A democracy means that citizens control their country. It's a fine system by definition. What can potentially causes demographic and cultural suicide is the definition of citizen. The original US constitution granted citizenship to immigrants who are free white people of good character. They had it right. We should stop second-guessing democracy and start second-guessing the way citizenship is established.

The modern concept of welfare(gibs) didn't exist when the founding fathers wrote the constitution.

>>132645828
I don't want your consitution, let me rephrase myself because you don't understand what I wrote:


The constitution does not prevent goverment from taking away your freedom, it just obstructs it.
Only people who believe in freedom limit goverment.

>Stay mad, commie
You're retarded.

>>132643289
>Just because you have a piece of paper
but that's ANY government anon, including a liberation one. your reeeeeing in this thread is a little out of control btw.
>>132643557
I didn't, but they use it for fucking everything.
and it doesn't really matter if you have more or less Conservative judges, because this is one of things where it's two sides of the same coin, nither side cares about state rights for example, they just care about different rights and only support a state right when they are for the general right. .

>>132639170
I interpret it as promote and let the market thrive putting out varying options for the citizens, not let the people have to choose only from the governments with out negative side-effects

>>132646175
Monarchism FTW. Also I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

>>132646273
>monarchist
>anarchist
Choose one

>>132645851
By definition and theory, it sounds good, like Communism.
But ask the greeks how it went, it ended their golden age.
The majority of people are better off without voting rights, for their own good. Doesn't mean I would restrict gun rights or something, but many people are just too impulsive to be left on their own and would jump on the latest shit (like they do today, clinging on false promises made by politicans of both left and right), and the slippery slope goes from there.
Call me statist, tyrannical, I don't care.

>>132639170

"Promote the general welfare" is in the preamble to the declaration of independence, not th constitution. The declaration of independence was a diplomatic communique, not a law.

>>132646273
>FTW

jesus christ man, grow the fuck up

>>132639382
Do you know how a government promotes something? By throwing money at it.

>>132646512
Meant for >>132639557

>>132646163
>let me rephrase myself because you don't understand what I wrote:
>The constitution does not prevent goverment from taking away your freedom, it just obstructs it.
WRONG! I don't know how blatant I can be to some commie fuck. Come and take it!

>>132639170
>General welfare
>Welfare means health insurance
>Get free health insurance due to an idiotic and modern interpretation of "welfare"
>Health insurance not a Constitutionally protected right
>Gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right
>General welfare
Where's my free rifle and ammunition supply?
>Health

But since we're stuck on this phrase, "the general welfare" is about making conditions viable for the well-being of people, not entitlements programs.

>>132645851
>democracy is fine meme
>"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
>"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." t. lord woodhouselee

basically
>>132646426

>>132646512
"promote" not "provide" m8, you can encourage something but not force it

>>132646343
I believe the ultimate society should be as free as possible, but currently the maximum is monarchy.
>>132646497
Didn't know it's retarded, I don't speak english mostly.>>132646605
What's your political ideology? Retard? Give me an argument you idiot. I do believe a constitution is nice, but it doesn't solve the problem.

>>132646625

That's in the declaration of independence, skeeter. Have another PBR and chill the fuck out. It's a troll. Or OP is a dumbass. Maybe both.

>>132639170
That is not the first paragraph of the Constitution, it is missing parts
Regardless the general welfare means general well-being of a person
It does not mean healthcare you cunt

>>132640936
Inner cities are more third world than flyover states, anon

>>132646512
or promote by letting the market do it's thing w/o gov interference but yeah that's how the gov is doing it now

>>132646941
>"promote" not "provide" m8, you can encourage something but not force it
this

>>132639170
Free IPhones, free weed, free housing, free college, free food

>>132646467
>American education

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>>132646979
>What's your political ideology? Retard? Give me an argument you idiot. I do believe a constitution is nice, but it doesn't solve the problem.
>but it doesn't solve the problem.
WRONG!
I don't know how blatant I have to be. The Constitution is the highest law document of this land and I would like to see anyone come and take my freedoms or firearms considering I may or may not have firearms to defend said freedoms.

SHALL

>>132647660
...

Literally your fucking goverment will come and take away your freedom, how about that?

>promote the general welfare
>promote
How fucking stupid are leftists?

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it means "only whites can be citizens and women shouldnt be allowed to vote"

>>132644561
>Wickard v Filburn
Ah yes, the real point of the war. Let's distract everybody while we test case this Constitution-killing, federal blowjob. Fucking Jews.

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>>132639170
please listen because I just got done reading about this.

"general welfare" is an 18th century political science term. not the 21st century cnn term about "gibs" that you are thinking of.

jefferson is thinking of what Rousseau calls "general will." I'll try my best to explain. maybe green text will help
>each individual has an individual will
>a group of people have the will of a group
>but the will of the group is not the same as the general will
>bertrand russell gave the analogy:
>each individual atom has individual gravity
>but the earth, made up of individual atoms, still pulls a general gravity toward the center of the earth
>this is something like general will

if this sounds like hair-splitting, it is. very technical terms usually are.

wiki "general will"
wiki rousseau
wiki locke
wiki jefferson

unfortunately the 200+ year old declaration of independence does not read like a meme. and you have to be familiar i.e. actually well read in the field

>>132639705
this leaf is kind of right

>>132640055
nigga got me fuckd up if he think im finna read dat

>>132647792
Oh boy, now you're going down that path. How will the government come and take my freedom? Who will knock on my door to take my freedoms? Are they here to take my freedoms even though I have guns to defend my freedoms from such tyranny? Will Officer Wilson be willing to risk his life to be a tyrannical agent of said government to stomp out the freedoms of his own community? Will people be okay with bombing or droning or whatever else of American citizens? How would they even know I have guns? I may have lost them all in a tragic boating accident or even better I may have never owned any in the first place. They would never know.

>>132639382
Yeah, just like in the Declaration of Independence when they said "all men are created equal", they didn't mean classed based oppression through the tyrannical yoke of Monarchist rule and deeming all bloodlines beyond inbred royalty as worthless peasntry, no they didn't mean that. What Jefferson really meant when he put pen to paper was that "all men are created equal, and I'm equal to a sub-saharan African nigger savage and all people should receive money from the government, and white people are the devil" After he wrote that, everyone in the room stood up and started to clap, a man came up to Jefferson and patted him on the back - that man? Albert Einstein.

>One phrase, "general welfare", in the fucking preamble
>means you can do whatever you want

Why have a constitution at all if the government can do whatever it considers to be in the "general welfare"?

>>132648236
>declaration
constitution, sorry

>United States v. Boyer, 85 F. 425, 430–31 (W.D. Mo. 1898)
>"The preamble never can be resorted to, to enlarge the powers confided to the general government, or any of its departments. It cannot confer any power per se. It can never amount, by implication, to an enlargement of any power expressly given. It can never be the legitimate source of any implied power, when otherwise withdrawn from the constitution. Its true office is to expound the nature and extent and application of the powers actually conferred by the constitution, and not substantively to create them."

>>132639170
Look to the 18 enumerated powers listed under that section. That is what the founders meant by "General Welfare".

>>132639170
>'general welfare'
it means huge tax breaks to generals and the rest of the military industrial complex

>>132643795
So, Libertarians have never been relevant.

Is this news to you?

Why do you think Gary Johnson runs for POTUS every 4 years? To win?

kek

>>132639170
That general welfare was supposed to go to white americans who needed emergency help, not illegals and descendants of farm equipment who leach it their whole lives

>>132644561
>Wickard v. Filburn
Not really... they limited it in United States v. Lopez

>Kelo v. New London
Definitely one of the worst. They never even built anything on the property.

>>132646426
>many people are just too impulsive to be left on their own
Then create a law so that only people who aren't impulsive are citizens. It's a problem with citizenship not democracy. I agree that some people shouldn't vote. It's not a controversial opinion. We already have laws that decide who votes and who doesn't. That's why people who are in jail for murder can't vote, that's why foreigners can't vote. We already have that. Citizenship is also one such mechanism, it sets up the primary requirement to decides who votes and who doesn't. If it's not satisfactory then fix that instead of blaming the concept of people leading their country.

>>132640305

Because that's the definition of the word welfare, dumbass.

noun: welfare

the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.

verb: promote

to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:
to promote world peace.
2.
to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. (opposed to demote).
3.
Education. to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
4.
to aid in organizing (business undertakings).
5.
to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), especially through advertising or other publicity.
Fucking brainlet, Jesus Christ.

>>132649646

When these two words "promote welfare" are put together, the meaning is transliterally: "to help or encourage the health, happiness and fortune of a person or group."

Fucking kill yourselves, you retarded pricks.

"MUH CONSTITUTION" only applies when your fucking guns are in jeopardy, apparently.

>>132649879
So, unless the government is providing welfare in the form of gibs, it isn't encouraging the health, happiness and fortune of its people?

>>132650057

Haha, holy fuck. You'll go in circles won't you, brainlet? Anything to accept that your line of reasoning is flawed. The constitution says what it says. So either you agree with the Neoliberals (IE Marxists) that the Constitution is meaningless, or you will follow everything that it says as was intended.

I'll leave it to you to figure out.

>>132650593

refuse to accept*

>>132649646
>happiness
The government has to provide me with an awesome gf who loves giving me me. If they don't, it's unconstitutional.

>>132647587
Brooo weed haha legalize macaroni

We can promote the general welfare by deporting nonwhites

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>>132649387
Majority are impulsive, aka they jump on the latest shit, which means today pop culture and MSM.
You are being too optimistic when it comes to human behaviour, in all honesty.

>>132650968

Not an argument.

>>132644086
>Sub-100 IQ flyover hellhole is better than the greatest center of cultural and technological progress on the entire American continent
This is what conservashits actually believe

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>>132649646
>Welfare = healthcare
No not really, it is about making the best choices for the nation and oppressively high taxation in return for "free" healthcare is not in anyones interest. You want to know why healthcare costs so much in America : Government intervention. So to solve this problem you want more government, no, i live in a country with single payer and waiting sic months for treatment which would be solved in a week normally is not an efficient system.

>>132640165
The preamble does not grant any branch of the federal government a power

>>132651556
>cultural progress
yeah sure...