Atheism

>>132562033
People are just getting older.

>>132562033
Atheists don't have kids

>>132562033
Atheists die alone.

>>132562033
I have only met 2 non-atheists in my entire life

God/Allah?Zeus/Odin etc is ensuring this.

Hitchens is dead, Harris shifted focus, Dawkins is rolling in God Delusion money.

atheism = entitled beta cucks with a lack of the best male model, doomed to his short existence

>>132562033
It's a retarded meme based on nihilism and a false stereotype of what exactly religion means. It literally exists so that 100IQ morons can make fun of 70IQ protestants and feel good about themselves while abandoning hundreds of years of knowledge regarding qualia and spiritual experience

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Because it evolved into paganism
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>>132562033
Human nature. Like it or not the vast majority of people cannot live a life without faith. While some are able to get on just fine, most will experience the feeling of a void in their heart after abandoning God. Cold, hard science does not provide that same sense of comfort as religion, nor will it ever.
Atheism is a blight on civilization and I'm happy to see it die.

christians have daddy issues so they have to have a man in the sky to watch over them

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>>132562886
These, the only real way to make Atheists and actual self-proclaimed Atheists is through indoctrination.

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>>132562160
Fpbp

>>132563044
>man in the sky
athiests actually believe this is what religion is, while they engage in pagan consumerism

>>132563145
Ok so if not a "man in the sky" what is "God" to you?

>>132562033
it's because everyone knows it's the truth, but life is about working and helping others, and religion is a tool that facilitates those things. atheists are the true tards of our civilization (but i still love them because jesus).

A lot of people came to their senses and returned to Christianity or joined Paganism

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>>132563044

>>132562266
>>132562160
>>132563145
These, plus those who delve to the bottom of the philosophical arguments will find that while Atheism is barely consistent, it requires such assumptions that go against everything we generally believe in to make it so

>>132563200
that which is above and below the realm of everyday human life. God is the knowledge of everything in life that is not physical/materialist.

Did you ever notice how theology sometimes seems uncannily similar to science, with it's own theories (AKA religious doctrines) and internal disputes? That's because just as science describes physical behaviour of matter, religion and spirituality describes the behavior of qualia (essentialy our conscious impressions of experience, look it up though). mind body duelism is real and this is why physicalist and spiritual systems are perpendicular and nonsensical to people operating in the other system.

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>>132562033
People graduated highschool/college and don't have a professor to tell them what to believe anymore

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>>132563680
>taqiyyah.png

>>132563084
Coming from the people who crucify themselves, thats not indoctrination though

>>132563582
>God is everything I don't understand
>Everyone who doesn't believe in desert kike religion is so stupid!

>>132562160
Smart people give up religion as they get older, you're supposed to let the fairy stories go and realise you only have the religion you do because your parents indoctrinated you

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>>132562033
You wish brainlet. Your jewish god is dead and religion continues to decline. Go back to slurping nigger feet like a good goy

>Why is atheism going out of fashion so fast?

I see you have made an assertion but neglected to provide evidence to support it.

The burden of proof in debate is on the person making an assertion. Google "onus probandi" and educate yourself.

Citation needed or fuck off.

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>>132563680
>implying anyone cares about australia
>implying australia can be conpared with the rest of the world

THIS IS A SLIDE TREAD

CHRISTKEKS BTFO HERE:
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>>132563145
There's no such thing as pagan consumerism, and your ancestors did believe in a man in the sky, just because the more advanced we've become has proven that to be false doesn't mean it's not ultimately the reason you and every other retard believes in your parents religion

the more bold atheist become, the more cringey they are

people find that unattractive and pathetic

Atheism is not dead. You all inhabit cesspool websites and you get your info from there.

I recently went back to some atheist forums I' inhabited years ago and they are all even worse. Extremely smug, more members, more arrogant than they've ever been. You all need to stop assuming that what happens on the chans and some other shit meme sites (yes, including the select subreddits some of you go to) reflect the rest of the internet.

Now don't get me wrong, I fucking hate those atheists, I hate how they actually are smug fedora tippers and they're still going strong. But still. They still exist.

>>132563680
pffft this predates mudslime infestation

/r/ updated graft or gtfo
>being this retarded and out of touch with current events

>>132562033
atheism expressed is terribly unattractive.

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>>132563764

>>132563680

Atheism is rising in every country that doesn't have mass Islamic enrichment to skew the statistics

>looking at you Canada

>>132563799
>I see you have made an assertion but neglected to provide evidence to support it.
>The burden of proof in debate is on the person making an assertion. Google "onus probandi" and educate yourself.
>Citation needed or fuck off.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-unaffiliated/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

>>132562033
Because atheism is a retarded idea.
Basically it boils down to this
>Ha! I'm so enlightened, look at those stupid religious people basing their entire life on religion and faith!
>There's no God, I have absolute faith in that idea. Time to study the words of my prophets Dawkins and Hitchens so I can replace religion with atheism
They're the same exact thing as religious people only with added hipocrisy and minus any of the perks of having an imaginary authority to rule your actions.
Agnosticism is where it's at.
Be fucking honest, say you don't know and move on.

>>132563764
You are a case in point. You've always been taught that physicalism is identical to reality. People like Jung talked about this a century ago, it's the disease of modern times. Religion has no concern over material things that it doesn't understand. Only retards who don't understand metaphors and archetypes think the bible is literally describing physical reality.

At least tell me you know what qualia refers to?

>>132563768
>smart people change their lifestyle and worldview for no objective purpose other than to Rebel against their heritage and their parents
Wow rly smart

lets face the ugly truth, the atheism are sad beta cucks that despise his own life, so they are angry with god, by create them, and denied him

>>132562033

I admit that I got caught up in the nihilism of the 90's. Even in elementary school, I acknowledged that I was completely atheistic. Only in the past couple of years have I begun to realize that I was complicit in creating a moral vacuum and destabilizing the sociaal structure of this country. All the disgust and contempt I feel for liberals, I have only myself to blame.

>>132562399
so that's why Sweden is so great.

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>>132562033
Hail Satan

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>>132562399
Migrants don't count as Atheists.

>>132563967
do you associate brand logos with certain archetypes (feelings)? Does having a rolex make you feel powerful and important?That's exactly what ancient people did with their individual gods. Buying an apple product is like paying homage to Athena or some other diety.

>>132564203
Not an argument

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>>132562033
A single hat meme killed atheism forever holy shit

>>132562033
Most people are atheist out of moral disagreement and use it as a modifier, as people grow older they grow out of trends, drug use, drinking, casual sex, etc and their beliefs typically follow.
It similarly happened in the 30s in Europe and 60s in the U.S., 90s in Eastern Europe.

People change and unlike in the early 20th century where government advocated religions and people rebelled, the government advocates nonreligious views and nontraditional views currently, so people are slowly rifting away.
Whether people like it or not, there is place for religion in society that the government simply need not get involved and vica versa, when government or religions absorb those formats people that are moderate get polarized.

>>132564488
No, anon. He's absolutely right. Go tip your fedora elsewhere.

>>132564563

It absolutely did not. Only autists confined to chans and meme sites think that.

>>132564288
Why would you blame yourself? You were a child.
>I could've been different
Nothing would change. The world doesn't listen to children. Children are only given platforms to speak when they parrot their teachers/approved cultural messages. Counter culture children (rare as they are) are never praised, and never make headlines, never influence adults, rarely have any influence or impact on the world at all, even the narrow one within their immediate sphere.

>>132563768
>>132563338
I'm a Christian, but people aren't giving up Atheism for religion, they're giving it up for quasi-wiccan spirituality that sort-of but not really worships the environment
>>132563032
This

>>132564262
>if you dont believe this far-fetched lie, of this one particular religion that has no evidence but only faith, still, then u cant be smart

woah

>>132564638
>yeah sky daddy is the best!

>>132564482
>Buying an apple product is like paying homage to Athena
Do you really believe that?

I mean, out in the real world beyond biased polls and obscure theories, the fact is that the world is categorically less religious than a hundred years ago and objectively better for it.

You think American freedoms could exist in a medieval christian church? That 4chan could exist? Everything you know of as 'peaceful western religion' is the product of atheism.

>>132562160
>>132563768
Yeah what does he mean by people are getting older? Every single one of my friends from high school is an atheist/nonreligious now, and I went to a christian school. I thought people generally drop their beliefs as they get older? Maybe I'm just being anecdotal?

if you are an atheist you already fall in the jew trap, you have no direction in life, you lack of deep moral knowledge, so you are disabled in some way. And yes you became to be a beta cuck workshiper of pussies.

>>132564829
How do you know it's a "far fetched" lie? Just curious, amigo.

>>132562033
Because it was infected with SJWs. They can kill any movement like a fucking plague

>>132562033
>God isn't real, we can't see him! Fuck you christcucks!
>Dark matter is real! Just because it's not observable to the human eye doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Atheists will burn in hell for eternity. Praise Christ.

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>>132562033
Name one positive benefit atheism has ever provided to humanity. Killing millions of gooks is not positive.

Also many cucks are atheist, and they do not value spreading their genetics.

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>>132563032
>Cold, hard science does not provide that same sense of comfort as religion, nor will it ever.

Lol if you need a mental comfort blanket to live day by day instead of being your own master and taking responsbility for your actions.

>>132562033
>>132562160
Atheism has been around for 2000 years. It's not going anywhere.

>>132562266
Sure they do.

>>132563032
>vast majority of people cannot live a life without faith
False, unless we are to believe that Czechs and Japs are fundamentally different than the rest of us.

>>132565061
because only 1 religion can be true and there's no evidence for any of them.

>>132562033
Because whether or not religion is true is irrelevant when it comes to erecting foundations for a society. If you think of society as a chair and religion as one of the legs, if you are going to get rid of, weaken, or invalidate a religion you must replace it with a new chair leg, else the thing will topple over when one of us fat americans sits on it.

I'm not sure whether or not most Atheists recognized this, but even if religion itself hasn't a basis in reality, it represents one of the psychological and cultural legs of the chair of society. Many people require religion or a religion analogue to strengthen up their integrity, because most humans are still fucking primitives who don't have the time, brains, or inclination to fully develop their moral and ethical compass.

And you faggots should count yourself lucky you don't actually have to deal with the fedora tipping neckbeard atheists. Yes they still exist and they are worse than ever. They've been strengthened. I can't believe that I'd see what I did by visiting the atheist forums I went on years ago.

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>>132562033
Securalism (atheist/agnosticism) is a disease spread by the Jew

The west under Christianity (60's)
>no fag acceptance
>no tranny acceptance
>Traditional gender roles
>no hook up culture
>no tattoos
>no piercings
>niggers kept in their place
>barely any race mixing
>high white birthrate
>Family Values
>no premarital sex
>Jews start Kvetching
>start spreading evolution
>start spreading secularism as the ideology of intelligent people
>fast forward few decades
>tranny and faggot enablers everywhere
>lowest birthrates in history
>race mixing out of control
>premarital sex out of control
>Divorces at all time high
>single mothers at all time high
>modesty gone
>traditional gender roles gone
>family values gone
>Western Civilization gone.

Then Atheists and secularists wonder why we hate them.

>>132564900
You do realize that nobody who follows any modern religion considers "God" to be some literal "bearded man in the sky" right? It's the amalgamation of things we cannot explain and will never be able to explain. Yet, you're so goddamn intelligent you've got the entire universe nailed down, right? You are a fucking pretentious cuck, mate. People who still remain atheist past the age of 20 are truly something else. Then again, you're probably a 15 year old faggot who thinks he's really experienced life thus far.

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>>132562033
Atheists just don't give a shit. They know religion is bullshit, but there's nothing they can do about it.

Atheists became atheist because of the flaws of conservatism... when liberalism got out of hand, they just backed away from being a part of the toxic environment.

Atheists are either just becoming culturally christian, to which they don't actually believe in it, but think it's better than the hell that liberalism brings, OR they're becoming bipartisan who want to find middle ground.

Seriously though, if you guys think there's an eternity of afterlife, you're pathetic. What are you christcucks going to do when you die and there is indeed an afterlife? Sing songs with jesus for eternity? Lmao. Get over yourselves.

The idea of a heaven/hell is the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever heard, and sounds more like a tactic to get people to be good in life than ANYTHING else.

I mean come on, I get the idea of a creator, it could be possible, but does the existence of this creator prove that your religion is correct? NO.

Does there have to be a god for there to be an afterlife? NO.

Could there be a god and no afterlife? YES.

I get that christianity is by far the greatest religion to ever be made, but driving justifications behind the ideas, whether the ideas are right or wrong, are fiction.

>>132565452
Ok. please describe to me in your own words what God is.

Do you live in Alberta? In Ontario, many people are atheists and it's growing

>>132563582
This.

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>>132562033
Atheism is retarded and makes you undesirable while popular religion is nothing but lies and corruption. There tends to be a rising trend of pagan-LARPers so we're not getting anywhere it seems.

>>132564947
>objectively better off
Not really. I'd say that quality of life beyond material existence hasn't really changed since the medieval times in that people aren't happier or more satisfied. We've advanced physically but at the cost of a profound loss of spiritual/qualia based knowledge.

To clarify what I'm saying; We know how to extend life and make computers, but we don't know what actions to take to maximize the qualitative state of spiritual satisfaction ("enlightenment/salvation/nirvana/etc.). Of course I don't want to go back to those times but that's because I'm incredibly biased by living in this age. It's all a matter of perspective.

>>132564829
>something I wasn't implying
>definitely he was implying this.
Mmmkkkk.
Now what I ACTUALLY said, is that if you're going to change your life on a deep level you should have an objective reason for doing so, and angsty rebellion of old ways is not an argument or objective reason. People don't reject God based on belief, they reject Christianity based on its theology being inconvenient for them.
Guarunteed the first thing all nu-atheists do when they denounce Christianity because they realize it's only in their life because "their parents indoctrinated them" is sinning for the sake of sinning, to solidify their rebellion into being. And they will do so without even considering there might be objective reasons why Christianity has those values, they simply do it because "God isn't real and my parents brainwashed me".

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>>132564961
There's not much evidence but allegorically I believe you can see that people behave contrary to societal structure, state atheism in SSR's typically created a surge of religious backlash and population in almost every example is more religious than prior or dying, you're seeing a sort of opposite effect in the west that's now grinding to a hault.
The pendulum effect I believe is real and we're witnessing that.

>>132565528
WOW! THIS INDEED!!!!

>>132565528
Religion is mainly cultural and geographical. It's just as random as being born with white skin. You believe because your parents believe it, you're white because your parents are white.

Same goes for everything else the majority of the time. Sorry to break it to you.

>>132565086
>Because it was infected with SJWs.
Probably a good reason people may decline to associate with 'atheism' specifically. The world almost certainly isn't going back to 'demonic exorcism' any time soon.

All these smug larping christians on 4chan just want to feel morally superior, but really have nothing to do with the last 1000 years of christian dogmatism.

>>132565452
>and will never be able to explain. Yet, you're so goddamn intelligent
People can be intelligent enough not to assume they know "it's unexplainable don't ask questions go back to praying".

>>132565061
>How do you know it's a "far fetched" lie?
How do you know your computer isn't powered by angels?

Religious people themselves are the exact reason I don't believe in god.

Any super being who'd intentionally create these abominable brainlets must have done it for fun.

>>132562033
If by "atheism" you mean "white atheism" is because those people aren't atheists in the first place. They are lapsed Christians.
I could list a number of reasons they are turning back to their parents religion. But they all boil down to "things aren't going great".

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>>132565528
>>132565676
>>132565843

Why are you talking to yourself?

You ok buddy?

>>132565528
>The idea of a heaven/hell is the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever heard
It's no more or less ridiculous than the idea of "nothingness", since that's just a human construct as well. Personally I don't even know if death is real in the way we think about it. For all we know people dying in this reality could just be functions coming out of view within own position in the spiritual plane.

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>Christianity has one foot in the grave in the west
>The whites are shirking off their crucifixes for apathy, agnosticism or atheism
>Religion "on the rise" in the form of Islam

I think that's what is happening

>>132563768

Pseudo intellectuals give up religion because their egos are so large that they can't believe that humans are imperfect. They can't stand to think that maybe there are some things we just can't know, and must take it on faith™

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>>132562033
Atheism is based on reason.

A highly educated and comfortable population will be able to see intellectually that as society gets more atheist it also gets shittier, even if the hurdle of actually believing in a higher power is a tough one to cross over under modernity.

I think by the start of the next decade, you might as a JBP inspired atheism that tries to tackle the inadequacies and internal contradictions of atheism more seriously.

>>132565615
>spiritual satisfaction
There's no such thing. People make it up for the same reason they take marijuana and believe in a "gender spectrum".

>>132565528
>culturally christian
Certainly not that. That's apologist propaganda. If America was "culturally christian", they'd be card carrying communists with no border protection at all.

Oh, you mean "be nice to other people"? Invented way before christianity claimed credit for it.

>>132565310
>only 1 religion is true

This is what Atheists actually think about theology

Islam recognizes Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians as "people of the book" and thereby recognizes them as pious people who will also be rewarded

Not to mention that many other religions don't proclaim that they are the one true faith and all who follow other faiths are in the wrong

>>132566196
>the spiritual plane
fucking kys

>>132566255
This. Reality is stranger and more complex than anyone can imagine. If you've ever seen how academia works at the top level, it's a shit show based on paradigms created by like 10-20 people at most, and that's what people think is objective reality. We know nothing

>>132565528
This is probably the most acceptable argument I will ever hear for atheists
Atheism is by and large, a rebellion against Christian culture with no roots in objective arguments. I mean, they said they did, but they really didn't, it was simply a failure of the religious right to make more compelling arguments.
Also, Christianity was doomed when it became the culture of America. Many churches became more liberal and less critical of culture, and people stopped having a reason to go to church, since they were just hearing their own culture parroted back at them.
Christianity gained its traction as a criticism of the culture it was born in. When it stops criticizing, it dies.

>>132566092
I'm a white atheist. My grandmother, grandfather, mother, uncle/aunt/cousins all atheist. We attend church to fit into society. We are moral and unaccepting of most degeneracy. Its not a complete meme, though lots of atheist grow go back to their original religion. Lots of them find it next to impossible to go back trying to comprehend religion. From a logical standpoint it does not add up.

>>132566001
The fact that people seriously think their religion didn't derive from man and man alone is pretty funny. If there is a god, it's probably enjoying seeing how far people have gone to try to find out how they came to be.

>>132566097
Nope, we're not the same person at all, dont you see the obvious flag changes? Smh

>>132566196
There may not be "nothingness" for all we know there could be an afterlife, and if there is an afterlife that lasts for eternity, to say it is nothingness isn't far fetched. One thing is for sure though, the idea of heaven and hell were created by man. An afterlife won't consist of a heaven/hell.

>>132562033
Because look at the kind of people that claim to be atheists.

I could no longer call myself atheist after my eyes were opened to the pure fucking cringe and autism that those niggers truly are.

>>132566401
Exactly we know nothing. So why do we claim that we know what created the universe. That god came down and did all this stupid shit in all these random books. All of history points towards religion being created by people, not god.

>>132566388
by spiritual plane I just mean the extent of our perceptions of qualia. Think of life as a function in physical space and qualia (sensation/emotion) space. If a person is a function on this field then what happens when they leave our range of perception? They'd "die" right?

>>132565649
why are you straw-manning? people become atheists when theyre older because they realize its likely a specific brand of god isnt real, and it's irrelevant what they do afterwards because of it. and i like how you say they deliberately "sin" even though they dont believe in the concept anymore, lol.

>>132566586
We don't claim to know, or at least we shouldn't be. The hardest question there is for theists is how to define God, and their answers couldn't be more ambiguous.

Its not like they went away, they just shut up as they realised their talking points werent that mature as they thought they would.

>>132562957
Spot on reply mate
This is the quality chan I like to see

>>132562957
>qualia

Has nothing to do with theism. Worst case scenario: qualia is just a type of physical property that interacts with other material in a different way.

>spiritual experience
>dude something improbable happened it must be jebus! It's the only explanation!

>>132566325
That sounds interesting. Although JBP is a big name now, I'm not sure how big he will be in the next decade or so. Interestingly though, the shock waves he has created stirring up the debate will definitely lead atheism to center a more critical eye on itself than on others, that I agree with.

>>132566427
>From a logical standpoint it does not add up.
Of course it doesn't. I honestly don't see how people can physically believe in things they have no ability to interact with.

It's like trying to imagine was a schizophrenic sees when looking down the hall.

There's no possible way for religion to make people 'moral', and that's why the world has so much fucking crime despite having tons of religion for millennia. Crime rates/war rates only dropped with the rise of science and atheism. Possibly because you can't justify whatever you fucking want with an ancient book and some beads.

>>132566558
>basing views on how other people are perceived
Sheep detected

>>132566709
>>132566586
Of course, it's stupid to think that one religion has all the answers. But most of them are similar and deal with similar things, just like newtonian physics describes things pretty well even though we also have quantum theory and the like.

>>132566558
This
Christians adults are always married, they have big families and children, they are mature grown men that dresses properly, and speaks properly
Atheist adults are manchildren, no gf, no wife, no children, speaks autistically, uses trenchoats, cheap suits or videogames tshirts, it's so cringy it hurts.

>>132562033
It's good that it's "out of fashion". Poser atheists are just embarrassing to the name atheist. Let it be a normal thing again.

>>132566771
>Has nothing to do with theism
It has everything to do with theism
>qualia is just a type of physical property that interacts with other material in a different way
You're confusing physical with objective.

>>132566427
It's not about comprehending religion. Religion itself doesn't matter.
It's simply about Hope.

>>132566325
>internal contradictions of atheism
How can there be "internal contradictions" of not believing in mythology? Can you prove mythological claims to be indisputably true?

>as society gets more atheist it also gets shittier
That's factually wrong, and the product of someone ignorantly ungrateful of the difference between modern society and medieval society.

Life has only improved with less dogma and more science, Mr. 4chan user.

>>132566255
Holy shit you are painfully stupid. I hope you realize the only reason you believe in a god/religion is 1. because humans have evolved to do so (gene called "vesicular monoamine transporter 2") and 2. because your caretakers exploited your impressionable young mind to indoctrinate you into their beliefs.

>>132566471

>Nope, we're not the same person at all, dont you see the obvious flag changes? Smh

It's ok friendo, i know that no one replying to your posts can be hard sometimes.

Here, have a free (you).

>>132566641
>specific brand of God isn't real
Then they're agnostic, not atheist.
>kek they don't sin cause they don't believe in sin!
Uh huh.
Yes they do in fact do this, to celebrate their freedom, or to Rebel against Christian culture, and do it unapologetically. What they failed to do as a Christian and again as an atheist though, is to try and find objective reasons for sinning/not sinning outside of "God says so" and as atheists fully revert to morally relativist "it's not hurting anyone so it's not bad and you shouldn't apologize for it or let anyone criticize it"

>>132566818
Exactly. Yes the bullshit artists have made it so we're often looked at as jokes for being atheist but it's not something thst can't be shrugged off. Changing your fundamental beliefs based on what's cool or uncool is fucking hilarious.

>>132562033
atheism got fucked over by antitheism, which isn't the same thing.

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>>132566909
>Be adult atheist
>Have a gf
>Stable job
>Dress alright
>Have a retirement fund that I contribute to
>Invest my money wisely
>Vote republican
>Blond hair, blue eyes, tall

No kids yet, but I'm not going to have kids out of wedlock like some degenerate. I want to make sure both her and I are ready to raise responsible members of society.

>>132562968
/thread

>>132566852
The thing is that religion is a mess, there are hundreds of them on earth. Most claiming the others are wrong. Many claim they are the only true word of god. Some such as Islam claim there is no interpretation. I don't believe in god but i cannot say he does not exist. I simply believe if a god exists it is beyond our current comprehension and all religions are currently wrong. Likely he is deistic in nature. The matter of the fact is, all our current major religions in the world are a mess. They are so messed up and easy to disprove on their owns and are corrupt. We waste to much time trying to define god for our own wills are purposes. Its fairly clear that worship of a god or basing morality on it is a waste of time. Our answers should come from our own life experiences, not from a book, or a theological concept. What drives people to atheism in the first place is often the rigidity of religion, the fallacies and contradictions it has.

Deus vult

>>132562033
Atheism only became semi-relevant in the mid '00s because kids were rebelling against the GWB-era safe Christianity, and today's liberal opinions hadn't been talked to death yet.

There's nothing edgy about it anymore--people like Richard Dawkins and Ricky Gervais are just seen as money-grubbing figureheads (which they always have been, but now it's become apparent.)

Also SJWs fragmented the recruitment base of militant atheists, and they prohibit shittalking about Muslims and pretend that Christians don't exist.

>>132562968
that actually sounds like some truth...

>>132567189

I converted over the past year after being anti-deist for 20 years, but nice assumptions mate, it must be hard thinking you know all the answers.

>>132566852
Tell that to my whole family. 5 generations of atheists.

>>132562033
I'll tell you why. I have better things to do than argue with Christcucks about their imaginary father figure, a bigger enemy if you will.

The Christians don't bother me, other atheists on the other hand are constantly in my grill because I don't drink the feminist kool aid. So while I may be an atheist, my enemy #1 is other atheists not Christians. I simply don't have time to go around and argue with them.

>>132567254
Atheism can also not be believing in the existence of god. While believing its possible. Its like saying, i highly doubt unicorns exist, but its possible. Google soft/hard atheism, its stupid semantics.

You are all atheists already, all those that post here
You dont believe in any gods, you dont have faith
You just posture in society, shitpost on the internet, fantasize about things
You dont have meaning for your life
Atheism won the psyche of the world already
Only Materialism remains

>>132567656
Seems like a silly way to say "agnostic" to me

>>132567420
I see your point. I think what happened was that the knowledge contained in religion solidified until it became dogma, and it failed to adapt to technological changes.

>>132565528
>>132566417
At the same time though, a part of me wishes that I was more religious, but I can't bring myself to believe in what I know is made up by man himself. I mean.. I believe in things that came from the mind of men, but not what they have to say about afterlife a god.

I understand religious people, I completely, completely respect them. The peace that it brings to the human mind is irreplaceable. Atheists can find peace other ways, by acceptance, nature, valuing life because it's short, etc.

I sometimes wish that christianity is real, because it's such a beautiful religion that gives peace and hope to so many, and it drives us as a country to fight through difficult times and it brings us together, but I just know that it's not.

>>132567463
Anti-deism is a pretty strong believe to have. What I lean towards is yes, there could be a creator, but it doesn't mean there's an afterlife, nor does it mean that any religions are correct.

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>>132562033
It's not a popularity contest. Six billion people could believe in the tooth fairy for all I care and I wouldn't think it was any less retarded than if only one smelly schizoid hobo did. You will never be able to take away my smug self satisfaction I get for holding an intellectually honest position and knowing that I am not a herd mentality influenced brainlet who believes in space daddies just because "everyone else does".

>>132562968
Honestly, fuck pagans

>>132564314
That card misrepresents Levi's baphomet, as the originator of the image, he had not intended it to represent the devil.

>>132567115
You can say the same about communism. Its not about understanding how it works. Just giving hope to the goyim it will work is good enough. Limiting human emotion to a religion is stupid. I derive hope based on things i can do in the future, not what happens after I did. live in the present.

>>132563967
Proven false how? You atheists are fucking arrogant intellectual midgets. And liars. Filthy liars. That is why you are unfit to live.

>>132567450
Even Richard Dawkins is getting redpilled, and pointed out how Christianity wasn't so bad of a cultural influence as he portrayed it to be given the creeping Sharia he's seeing in Britain.

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>>132566817
>>>1132566427
>There's no possible way for religion to make people 'moral', and that's why the world has so much fucking crime despite having tons of religion for millennia. Crime rates/war rates only dropped with the rise of science and atheism.
And then we got culturally enriched ;_;

>>132567656
Atheism is usually about denying the validity of Gods presented by theists, not the denial of the concept of "God" itself. Theists claim that there is a specific God that is X Y and Z, and attributes everything that cannot be explained to said made up God.

The concept of God itself is irrelevant and unfalsifiable. They aren't claiming that there might be some supernatural being out there, they are claiming that there is a VERY SPECIFIC supernatural being out there which has precisely defined attributes, goals and philosophy. THAT is what atheism is saying doesn't exist. That made up human "God".

>>132567764
What I lean towards is yes, there could be a creator, but it doesn't mean there's an afterlife, nor does it mean that any religions are correct.

You see, man doesn't have the answer when it comes to that kind of stuff. They're all just assumptions.

That's why it's safe to assume that there's most likely no creator, but there can be. Just like it's safe to assume that there's most likely no afterlife, but there can be, and even if an afterlife exists, despite how meaningless it would be, it doesn't mean a god exist along with it.

God, the term used in these kike religions is a meaningless word because everyones description of what it or he/she is a fucking joke

>>132564692
> leaf doesn't understand irony

>>132567945
>given the creeping Sharia he's seeing in Britain
Christianity spawned Islam.

Look at Islam. That's christianity a few hundred years ago.

>>132567943
>Proven false how?
Many articles of religious dogma were proven false, like geocentrism. The religion however never admits error, it only changes to claim it was always right, and that the wrong scriptures were "allegorical". That's how cults work.

>>132567943
Its not proven false, though basically all evidence has been ripped to shreds. Without evidence of the argument, its like believing in unicorns. sure they can exist, but the evidence is trying and limited to mythology. While the comparison is not perfect it fits well enough.

>>132565528
Can confirm, I'm an atheist but I still practice Christian values.

sometimes I wonder why I come here as an atheist on the left that would probably want to kick most of your asses in real life. Atheism is not on the decline

>>132567020
>It has everything to do with theism

Going to need to support your argument, friend.

>You're confusing physical with objective.

Not at all. I say 'physical' because conventional language, usage, and meaning isn't well suited for meta-physics (and even technical meta-physics has a lot in need of improving. Too many semantic gaps and inconsistencies). Everything that is 'real' is effectively 'physical' (again, not withstanding some rocky connotations between 'physical' and 'material', as in 'of things made of matter' (as opposed to energy, or qualia even))

Furthermore, 'objectivity' isn't an ontological characteristic, it's an indexical one. So no, I'm certainly not meaning to say 'objective'.

>>132568043
Crime existed before enrichment, adding niggers into the mix only made it worse.

The whole divide on religion/athiesm comes down to the hard problem of conciousness at the end of the day. This is something I've seen with everyone I've talked too personally about this shit.

If you think there is no hard problem, and that conciousness is purely physical, you will be drawn to athiesm. If you think that the problem exists and that we can't simply create consciousness by replicating physical structures, then you will be open to religion and spirituality. Dualism and pure physicalism are pretty hard wired attitudes.

It's unfashionable because beta males use it to make themselves feel superior to theists.

>>132567764
Like i said, silly semantics. Its stupid and they sound similar, but by definition it is atheism.

I think Athiesm is actually growing very slowly. But the rate at which the world's population is growing in poor countries, there's simply more people being raised religious. This makes it seem like Atheism is going out of fashion

>>132567939
I'm not limiting human emotion to a religion. I'm limiting religion to human emotion.

>>132567764
Of course, atheists are a movement (and a religion) so they have to pretend like their "brand" includes agnostics too.

I was an agnostic once and I never would have considered myself atheist or identified with their arguments. It's quite a cynical way to change the definition of atheist to include those who are militant in the same camp as those who would rather be neutral.

>>132567812
I agree with and share this same sentiment, and I'm constantly on the verge of joining a Catholic Church. I've had some spiritual experiences, but they contradict the classic theologies. I will forever be between Paganism and pseudo Christian. I bear a tattoo from my Pagan/Wiccan LARP days, and a bronze Catholic rosary in my pocket. It's my curse.
>>132568114
I think the afterlife is what JBP describes. That heaven and hell don't exist in the literal sense but they exist on Earth simultaneously and our actions create them around us

>>132568208
>it only changes to claim it was always right, and that the wrong scriptures were "allegorical".
The "allegory" shit never applies to anything post-genesis. What was wrong was how modern Christians interpreted it.

>geocentrism
Was a failed Greek assumption that carried over into Christian Europe and had nothing to do with theology. Which you'd probably know if you actually ever studied it.

>>132565268
>. Killing millions of gooks is not positive.
Are they communists?

Killing communists is always a good thing.

>>132567768
The biggest flaw in religion itself for me, is its absolutist nature. Christianity entire basis is that you are good and follow the bible, heaven and in certain denomination if you are bad hell. Both undefinable and unverifiable. Which they use as sticks and carrots to force the rest of the book down your throat. In which it claims objective morality which leads to degeneracy. Morality should not come from Fear of god, or wanting a cookie. It should come from respect and learning of morality. I am quite right wing on most subjects. I consider myself to be moral. Though I am moral because I do what i believe is right and wrong on my will alone. Not on what some book threatened me with.

>>132568443
>I think Athiesm is actually growing very slowly.
In western nations, it's the default majority. Even among people who believe they are "christian", but do not in fact care what the bible says and do value science above divine explanations.

All the people talking about "the wonders of religion" merely have not experienced the world of medieval dogmatism.

>>132568509
>pretend like their "brand" includes agnostics too
Being agnostic is factually defined as atheism. They don't believe in a deity. "Agnostic" is a way to avoid religious persecution by adopting a more open stance.

Same as Theravada Buddhists have been atheists for thousands of years, but they don't tell you about that, since other religions threaten to kill them for it.

Every person is born an atheist. Its the default belief system. Then the indoctrination starts. It should be child abuse to take your kids to church. If adults want to do that shit, that;s fine with me. Leave the kids out of it.

>>132568788
Soviets were just as jewish as they were atheist. Lenin was a jew. Truth be told, not many have killed in the name of atheism. Atheism has not driven these people to kill. Their lack of morality from being a bad person led to all the deaths. Not their lack of morality because of lack of religion.

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>>132564947
>Everything you know of as "peaceful western religion" is the product of atheism.
Gonna have to disagree with you there. If we look specifically to western peaceful religions I would contend that those are the results of reformations within the religions and their interpretations. Secondly I also would argue that a large amount of rights stem from the adaptation of religious interpretations to certain societies. A few instances point to this (Man is free through Christ therefore slavery is wrong) now granted the same can be said for the degradation of rights through the same means but if we're referring to western society then the degradation of rights through religion doesn't really happen on a weighable scale

>>132568881
No it's not, you're doing that marxist thing of changing the definition of words. If you are neutral in any kind on the issue, you are agnostic. An atheist has made up their mind definitively.

>>132562033

Atheists don't have a lot of kids.

>>132568881
>Being agnostic is factually defined as atheism. They don't believe in a deity. "Agnostic" is a way to avoid religious persecution by adopting a more open stance.
"Agnosticism," the way it's described, is fucking stupid. Religion is inherently metaphysical. You can't *not* be truly agnostic to some degree. People who are "agnostic" are atheists, but if they need a special name they should just come out and say they're apathetic. But that hurts their poor little indecisive feelings.

Because the Jews have stepped up their shilling campaign.

>good goyim, devote yourself to (((christianity))) instead of your family and your country, you don't want to be a fedora tipper do you?

This cuck shit is destroying western civilization.

>>132563768
>that post
>that flag
Atheists hate God for giving them Autism don't they.

>>132569138
Not according to the dictionary and wiki. Not according to some old philosophers. English is a fairly fluid language, word meaning gets changed. New words appear. We are just using English in its current value.

>>132568706
>had nothing to do with theology
But that's a lie, anon. Geocentrism was christian dogma. Christianity just cannot admit to any error, so it ignores and hides them.

>The "allegory" shit never applies to anything post-genesis. What was wrong was how modern Christians interpreted it.
Do you let your females pray with their heads uncovered? Do you chastise people for eating rabbit?

Oh "ceremonial laws don't apply anymore!", right?

Take a look at islam, and figure out that christianity was just like that for most of its history. Then have some sweet prohibition on top of that.

>>132568862
I find this morality issue to happen a lot. People will justify treating family members like shit, doing drugs, being incompetent, and all that jazz by going to church and praying to their god.

They say to themselves, "as long as I do this, everything that I've done that was bad will be washed away, I could just pray my wrong doings away and still make it to heaven, which is the end goal!"

Who's to say that a person that has treated everyone in their life like shit is able to go to heaven while a person that has been good to people for the majority of their lives suffers in hell because the other person prayed to the right god?

>>132562033
>Why is atheism going out of fashion so fast?
Because only whites, Jews, and Asians are ever atheists and those groups are dying out.

>>132569410
Excuse me, Mexican and Black guy here.

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>>132562033

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwi9Q9apHGI

>>132569320
Well that's how I know you're a dirty marxist, "according to wikipedia", "fluid language", "word meaning gets changed". That's called relativism.

>>132569164
Atheist are not simply produced from birth, they are created through knowledge and awakening. Most atheists were not born and taught atheism. They came to the realization their current god in not real, and likely all of the ones known to man. My family is an exception, with 5 generations and counting of atheist. My many cousins intend on making that at least seven.

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Because it's dumb and makes assumptions that disproving one thing in the bible that was never meant to be taken literally in the first place automatically means that "religion is a sham meant to control the sheeple!!!" and other dumbshit stuff like that.

>>132562033
Science grows=religions shrink.

>>132569562
Its being going on for a long freaking time, long before marx existed dipshit. Thats why we have three version of English. Old, Middle, and Modern. Look as Shakspeare, look at slang. Look at the word ass, for the longest time it only meant donkey.

>>132562399
The guys who raped your sister while you waited?

>>132569367
>Christianity just cannot admit to any error, so it ignores and hides them.
There's plenty of bad shit that's happened. Have priests diddled kids? Yes. Does it make Christianity any less true? No.

>Do you let your females pray with their heads uncovered? Do you chastise people for eating rabbit?
That covenant was fulfilled with Jesus. Jesus advocated breaking those rules and it was scandalous as fuck.

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>>132562033
Only chance atheism dies out is Islam takes over.
Christianity was always wrong, but at least it kept the muzzies out.
Modern Christianity is too spineless to be popular.
>>132562266
in a way this.

>>132562033
I have never met an admitted atheist before. Several agnostics, but no atheists. I don't count people online who claim they are. Half are likely to be trolls.

>>132565843
That's a meme and here's why. Your logic suggests that due to your parents being of a religion they therefore indoctrinate you. I agree indoctrination is bad but by your logic an atheist can't have kids due to indoctrination that they would inact

>>132569138
>that marxist thing of changing the definition of words
Marxists aren't the only ones who change word definitions.

But there's no change here. Atheism has a specific meaning, and that means 'no deity'. Agnostics do not have a deity. Agnosticism is a division of atheism, and roughly translates to "I don't care about that shit, stop bringing it up".

>>132569070
>reformations
Which are impossible if you believe the religion is the literal word of a deity. "Reformation" is "heterodox" is "heresy". It is only possible under the primary influence of atheism, that is, the absence of a deity.

Beyond that, modern peaceful religions have been completely secularized. That's why islam stands out as a threat. Just like medieval spanish christianity would be a threat.

What you see as "good" in modern christianity is secular humanism pretending to be christian, after it removed most of the centuries of dogma.

Now of course, commies try to hijack this for their own ends, but that's a trojan horse into the already long-running and good secularization of the west.

>>132569739
Shakespear INVENTED words to describe more precise ideas that didn't have an expression yet. Kinda like agnostic to strongly distinguish between the militant atheists to those who can openly listen to any arguments without making instant judgements.

You may honestly not know that you're believing in relativistic bullshit, but the purpose of language is to communicate consistent ideas, not to constantly manipulate language to suit your political needs. That other english giant, Orwell warned off against that.

Nah, we've always been around and always will be - what you're really asking is why has atheism quieted down? There's a good reason we have and I think it's best summed by up by the fact even Dawkins-sama said that he's beginning to think of Christianity as a "bulwark against something worse" and I'm pleased he more or less came to the same conclusion I did. I get to be an atheist in the first place because I live in a nation who's values are based on Christianity which is a civilized and thoughtful religion especially considering it was entirely constructed from Iron Age identity politics by some half-mad Roman emperor. Despite it's violent origins modern Christianity is a surprisingly stanch promoter of self-reflection. This is all obviously preferable to

We're shutting the fuck up right now because we want you guys to win, it's as simple as that. The argument we have with each other is childish in comparison to the threat we both face. After all, what choice do I have? Islam murders apostates and at absolute best I would end up pretending to be one if they took control and I would hate myself a little more with each stupid little prayer and bow they make you do. Hell did you know they have to thank Allah after they take a shit? At least Christianity isn't goddamn autistic as fuck.

So you know what? Good luck. I hope your god really is on your side and speeds your mace into the skulls of our mutual enemy.

>>132569585
>Atheist are not simply produced from birth, they are created through knowledge and awakening.
What happens is that they realize that science and pure physicalism better describes their current mode of existence since we've shifted away from spiritual questions as a society and instead focus on material questions. If people ever stopped and thought deeply about what exactly ancient thinkers meant by "salvation" or "heaven" and "hell" they'd realize that qualia exist and that they don't exactly operate on the physical level.

>>132569815
seek burn

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Look at this picture and tell me that atheists are not still smug asswipes. I can find hundreds of pics like this on this one website alone.

>>132562886
religious people are faggots by definition.
>believe in god.
>if god say suck dick than suck dick.

>>132562033
I don't know what you're doing, but it's exploding in popularity in the US.

>>132570069
Still cannot find a definition of atheism that claims that it requires the direct belief that gods are impossible.

>>132562033
Because the only faggot that gives a shit is Thunderfoot. Everyone else moved on.

>>132570172
See, what's gone away are those edgy retards.

The real atheists are still growing in number. It's the edgy "anonymous" idiots that have moved on to SJW shit.

>>132562750
I used to be proud to call myself an atheist, looking up to him and all.
Now I'm a bit embarrassed to say it.

>>132569504
Okay, you are a fraction of a minority.

>>132570345
Well under materialism, Gods are impossible. So what's the word for those people?

>>132562033

>atheism out of fashion

you got to be joking. secularization is increasing because people realize religion is just mythology

>>132570172
There can be a lot of vocal, edgy, fedoralord atheists. Who believe it is their right to look down on people for not believing in them. Though other religions have people who do the same thing, just slightly less edgy. Infidel, must die.

>>132570556
Hitchens was an excellent orator, and a total asswipe.
He sounds very smart when you don't listen to what he's actually saying.

>>132569885
But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is the same as having her head shaved.
-1 Corinthians 11:5

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>>132562033

Its all about Islam in this day and age famalam. You ain't trendy if you don't point ur finger up to Allah.

>>132570514

>See, what's gone away are those edgy retards

You're wrong. They have not gone away. They still exist and are stronger than ever, they just mostly exist on non-chan non-meme sites. Even in this thread people are mocking religion and religious people. There are some other threads up right now where the OP is insulting religion.

>>132570718
Yes.
And Dawkins, yeah, I dont know what happened.
I want Carl Sagan back.

>>132570737
>Corinthians
Paul's letters were written to specific people at specific times to promote the spread of Christianity.

>>132570905
you do realize that those threads and comments are made by christians in order to perpetuate the myth that fedoras are still prevalent and persecuting poor christians, right?

>>132570630
Thats one definition, many ancient definitions of atheism say its the lack of belief in gods. Current accepted definitions say the definition is lack of belief. Its like arguing 2+2=5, sure you can do it. Though it will never add up.

>>132569815
He means his sister and her husband.

>>132570080
>I hope your god really is on your side and speeds your mace into the skulls of our mutual enemy.

But thats not gonna happen

Muh christian ethics... These gentle lambs are shepherding religious people into our country more and more every year, Islam, Catholic, whatever- because they want a theocracy.

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>>132569815
lmao. Sorry Sweden but it does seem that atheism directly correlates with cuckoldry. You're the first on the chopping block.

>>132570905
>You're wrong. They have not gone away.
No, they've totally disappeared.
They've made themselves a total laughingstock.

>Even in this thread people are mocking religion and religious people.
This happens here because the religious people are very easy to trigger.
Not only that, but they absolutely insist on posting massive asinine blocks of Bible text everywhere.

This isn't Bible study group.

Atheism is so 2006. It's been kicked to the curb by everyone.

Atheists just can't get over the fact that they lost the culture war.

Let me take you under 18s back to the year of 2006:
>atheism on the rise on the internet with their voices getting more heard everyday
>atheist leaders like Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens are respected voices in the community
>r/atheism is one of the top boards on bleddit
>corporate stores trying to push things like "Happy Holidays" and having "Holiday Trees"

Cut to today:
>Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchen (may he RIP) viewed as complete psychos for their insane political/social views
>r/atheism moved to the basement of bleddit because it was embarrassing euphoric garbage
>things like "Reason Rally" draw less than a Hitler impersonator at a bar mitvah
>atheist communities tear themselves apart over things like elevator gate (giving rise to New Atheism, and Atheism+, which are less successful than just regular Atheism)
>constant rape and sexual assault allegations at atheist conventions (even atheist leaders like Lawrence Krauss are accused...by other atheist leaders)
>"Happy Holidays" and "Holiday Trees" are a distant memory
>liberal atheists in Britain crushed by Brexit

And quite frankly all this bad stuff wasn't even needed. All it would have took was one euphoric quote and a couple of fedora pictures. Christianity is still kicking 2000 years later, and atheism is at it knees because of a jpeg of a fat guy in a fedora. Sad

>>132571290
Nice pasta

>>132571290
>Atheism is so 2006
Atheism as a belief system is 2006.

Nationalism is in, we're just also atheists too.

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>>132569996
I serve your point and it does have some merit but firstly I don't believe that reformation is automatically "heresy" (reformation: the action or process of reforming an institution or practice) I see reformation as keeping the Catholic Church from trying to get people to buy into heaven and other institutional actions. And I don't buy the claim that modern Christianity is secular but is guised as religions due to the fact that the nature of it has still remained very spiritual but you just have less zealous people who can manipulate or misinterpret the text

>>132569545
That was very good. Got anymore?

>>132571065
You're dodging the question entirely. If you believe physical reality is everything there is and current science can explain it, then there simply cannot be Gods. Observable reality is a huge reason for DISPROVING God since he isn't observable. All of atheism is not based on some philosophy, but on the failure to observe God.

I've sensed nothing but relativism from you when trying to get any hard definitions for your words. You don't care clearly, since atheist is a political movement for you, not something philosophical.

>>132571290
>and atheism is at it knees because of a jpeg of a fat guy in a fedora

They say god works in mysterious ways....

>>132570961
The only guy who wasn't actually a hard atheist?
Dawkins is hilarious though, the fact that he shows so many people with his Reddit atheism is enough material for a book itself.
Carl Sagan despite being Jewish was more of the real religious type, as in he had a hope in something which was beyond himself and beyond mankind. Not the self enlightening euphoria but a joy in understanding. Which is rare, especially in "atheists".
>>132571065
If atheism is a lack of belief in God and this amounts to a non-claim, then conversely theism is a belief in God but not a claim about God's existence.
>>132571138
>theocracy
Which is why they grow more and more secular by the day?

>>132571536
I don't claim current science can explain everything. I just don't believe that we need to jump to the conclusion that there is a god.

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>>132571536
There's nothing deep or even remotely stirring about atheism. It's not philosophical in the slightest.
Agnostics are epistemically illiterate.
Atheists are, they can range from being somewhat intelligent to being downright morons. Atheism isn't an intellectual stance like it was sold as. It's just a surface conclusion that someone who has gone the modern education system arrives at.
You really can't read the classics of Western literature and maintain the stance of modern atheism.

>>132562033
Moral relativism and philosophical dialog always ends up in sopgistry and rhetoric To not believe in God requires as much faith as the blief in God as neither has any proof.

>>132571453
I'm not an atheist, but I'm a nationalist. Please don't lump me into your silly groups. I'm not a fan of labels. SJWs love that shit. Normal people with brains understand labels are fucking stoopid

>>132571458
>as keeping the Catholic Church from trying to get people to buy into heaven and other institutional actions
But why would that be a problem for the literal voice of a deity on earth?

Surely money donated to the church is representative and causative of sufficient good works to merit passage into the 'afterlife', right?

>you just have less zealous people who can manipulate or misinterpret the text
Again, all of this can only happen if the text is not the literal and enforced word of a deity, but is in fact a political device created by mortals.

'Atheism' is the intellectual awakening that permits religious reformation, since otherwise how could you defy the word of a controlling 'almighty deity'.

It is atheism which implicitly allows religion to change, and the overt or subconscious realization that there is no deity which allows humans to even contemplate changing it.

>>132571763
That's not how science works. Failure to find positive observations, there is no God, period.

You can't chicken out of it with maybes. If you want to provide the possibility for something that's never been found to exist, you're gonna have to come up with a theory.

>>132562266
Atheists procreate more since they don't care about contraceptives.

>>132572037
>read the classics of Western literature
What are those?
Not being argumentative, just curious what you think should be read.

>>132562033
Because Kek has become the new God.

>>132571142
Yeah that seems completely legit.

Normies afraid of dying, not acknowledging it as a natural process and egoistically giving the illusion of meaning to their meaningless lives.

>>132572533
Shit an actual smart comment on here. I believe that to be an important factor; there may be a lot of atheists becoming religious at the end of their lives, for fear of impending death.

>>132572287
>You can't chicken out of it with maybes. If you want to provide the possibility for something
You can suppose the possibility of a powerful creature. Just like the ancients could suppose the possibility of flying like a bird, even through they did not know how to build planes.

However, many religions have untenable logical contradictions, like "has a will outside of time", rendering them perhaps objectively false. Hence the emotionalist 'mental gymnastics' that are present in the religion (and other cults) that rely on telling people that "believing is moral".

>>132562033

>Atheism going out of fashion

Uhh source? Everything I have ever seen in the last ten years has had it growing and growing.

>>132572533
This. It amazes me the amount of people who cannot come to terms with their own mortality.

>>132562033
Wew lad thats a fresh spicy meme my boi. I don't remember getting a religious survey in the mail do any of you? didn't think so. Why the mods allow religion on this board is beyond me. This shit needs its own containment board.

>>132571051

So every time someone insults Christians on the internet, they are really just Christians pretending? You sound like a huge faggot.

>>132571149

>No, they've totally disappeared

You're wrong. Again. They exist on sites that aren't 4chan or other various cesspool meme sites. They still dominate most of reddit. They have their own forums, blogs, old style webpages, it's all still there.

>This happens here because the religious people are very easy to trigger.
Not only that, but they absolutely insist on posting massive asinine blocks of Bible text everywhere
>This isn't Bible study group

I don't see the point of mocking Christians anymore, probably because I'm older now. But when they get mocked, they post fedora memes in response. There is no reason to insult Christians for sharing their faith on here.

>>132572979
Entropy

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>>132562033
>Why is atheism going out of fashion so fast?

Because higher up people like Podesta and Clinton's know that pagan gods/demons exist, and famous cultural/scientific icons like Elon Musk have realized that the universe has been manufactured. Atheism was an attempt by the elites to get people to believe in nothing higher than themselves, but it didn't work.

>>132565086
Fedora-tippers are the original "politically incorrect, misogynistic, anti-sjw, islamophobic, chicken-hawk autists". If any of you were older than 16 you'd be old enough to remember this.

>>132573026
if you read my comment you'd know i'm talking about /pol/, not the entire internet. fucking leaf.

>>132572887
You precisely can't suppose the possibility of something out there without observation under science. It's why they invented the flying spaghetti monster, saying that there is no proof of it, like God... but hey it could happen!

If you want to be the first to suggest some unknown new idea or specimen no one has ever seen, you better have rock solid justification/math for doing it.

Also time is just the 4th dimension, it's easy to have a will/soul outside of time.

>>132572224
>Atheism' is the intellectual awakening that permits religious reformation, since otherwise how could you defy the word of a controlling 'almighty deity'.
No one is challenging the "words of an almighty deity" it's people challenge the negative uses of it that only harm others for their own means. That's why atheism isn't solely needed for that change. Am I saying atheism isn't good to do this? No. I'm saying that you don't need atheism to be some kind of intellectual bouncer to let you in the enlightenment club.

>>132562033
its gay like you

>>132572979
Christianity is growing at a huge rate in China. There will soon be more Chinese Christians than Americans.

Also, there are going to be over 10 billion niggers in Africa by the end of the century, due to Western gibs causing overpopulation; and most of them will be Christian or Muslim.

>>132573026
>You're wrong. Again.
You keep repeating that. Source?

>They still dominate most of reddit.
So, where you get your spacing from.
Keep it tidy fuckwad, you don't need 20 spaces to make a point.

>They have their own forums, blogs, old style webpages, it's all still there.
eg., the dying part of the internet.
The edgy, fat nekbeard kids disappeared along with MLP going out of vogue, if you're old enough to be around for that.

>>132562033
The simplest souls latch onto the word science. They don't understand that everyone believes in science but much of what is represented to them as science is just plain wrong, and isn't even science just another religion spouted by power seeking academics.
Atheism is just a lack of knowledge and understanding. Not believing in the spiritual is a bit like not believing in art. They just don't get it.
And when you don't want to get something stupidity is a virtue.
Basically thay are cunts.

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>>132563856
>implying anyone cares about Croatia
>implying Croatia can be compared with the rest of the world

>>132568300
>If you think that the problem exists and that we can't simply create consciousness by replicating physical structures, then you will be open to religion and spirituality.

You're wrong though. First of all, that's literally not at all what people are usually arguing about or even thinking about when it comes to theism/atheism/religion. Secondly, it doesn't follow what-so-ever that accepting qualia's existence is tantamount to accepting the existence of anything 'supernatural', much less theistic. The debate is regarding qualia is almost entirely about reductionism vs. emergentism.

>>132572224
Same guy but the whole point about paying for absolution was that the church strong armed people with a concept that had no actuall grounding in the acquisition of salvation. That's why it's negative in every instance because good works and money doesn't absolve sins but the church said it did and that is the example of the institution of church being bad and the need for internal and personal disruption of those actions

>>132573297

Asian Christianity is amusing. They don't have a bunch of denominations so it's just a bunch of people viewing Jesus the same way they view Buddha really.

>>132573269
>challenge the negative uses of it that only harm others
But you would be incapable of believing that it was harmful if you also believed that it was the will of an 'almighty benevolent deity'.

Again, the aztecs sacrificed people and ate them. This was perfectly fine to them, and enjoyable for the people sacrificed and their families. They believe they were going to be the brides and so on of their deities.

It is only by realizing that there is no deity who will punish you for transgression that you can make a 'reform'. Now this can be the belief that the other people are worshipping the deity wrong, but that translates to "worshipping the wrong deity" implicitly since they believe they are worshipping it right and that it exists and approves of them for the way they worship it. See?

Some skepticism and disbelief is required for innovation, which, to it's full logical conclusion, is why science works.

>>132573251
>You precisely can't suppose the possibility of something
You can suppose the possibility of a powerful creature the same as you can suppose the possibility of a stealth plane overhead. You're going about it the wrong way.

It's the fact that religions cannot know as well as they claim to know that their particular creatures exist.

>>132573777
I'm legitimately interested. Are you in SK? What is it like?
We get bombarded with photos of full churches, and not much info.

>>132573000
>it amazes me conscious beings struggle to come to terms with an inevitable, incomprehensible end of existence they are programmed at the very core to avoid at all costs

I feel like this is a huge part of the problem people have with the atheism movement, these things do matter to people. Maybe the fairy tales won't suffice in our current age but fear of mortality is not a struggle to mock. Even if you do not fear death yourself, or have "accepted" it, you will feel horrible pain if you lose a loved one.

>>132573930
Yeah, that's why I generally support religion. It definitely has its upsides.

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>>132562399
Lemme guess, both were muslims

>>132573906
Under materialism, no. To suppose something that's never been seen is considered "irrational". Hey, I didn't say materialists are right, but that's what they insist on. You should only use your imagination to suppose things that have a real world counterpart. There is none for God, so you can't suppose that.

>>132573914

I'm in SK. I've visited some of their buddhist temples and churches to see how different the culture is religiously. In the Christian Churches they mostly just sing a lot of songs and the pastor will tell a story about his life or experiences. He'll reference the bible a couple timea but the service is really contemporary feeling at its root.

But yeah the churches tend to be pretty well filled but it doesn't seem like a lot of them are heavy believers. It's more that they think the stories in the Bible can give you wisdom and encourage a positive life.

>>132573748
>the church strong armed people with a concept that had no actuall grounding in the acquisition of salvation
Of course it did. The church claimed to be a direct apostolic foundation and an intermediary with the divine, through which donating to charity (a virtue) would grant you absolution.

The only way for you to disagree with that is to disbelieve them.

Understanding that allows you to see 'protestantism' as a political movement to gain power away from the catholic church.

>>132573251
>Also time is just the 4th dimension, it's easy to have a will/soul outside of time.
P.S. Obviously false, since the concept of "will" requires time.

That's the aforementioned 'emotionalist mental gymnastics'.

>>132574344
What do you mean by this concept of will then? A soul can exist outside of time. Not sure if you use will in the same way.

>>132562033
people are getting stupider. you /pol/acks say it yourselves.

>>132574203
>Under materialism, no. To suppose something that's never been seen is considered "irrational".
That's not "materialism", that's your strawman version of it which you are using to try to inaccurately disprove it.

That is what religions have to do to the belief that everything is material and logic is the best tool for its use: create emotionalist strawmen to try to ridicule it.

You can extrapolate degrees of control from present evidence, like that stealth plane, which would of course be (and was by african tribesmen) mistaken for a deity by a primitive people.

'Materialists' do not argue that it would have been impossible for aliens to have seeded life on earth for example. They simply argue that you cannot know of anything other than the material world, since you are a material creature. No one has ever been able to disprove that, which is why superstition continues to fade away. All for the better, of course. Spiritualism is glorified gambling.

>>132573220

Yes, I know you were talking about /pol/, you fucking FAGGOT.

>>132573298

>You keep repeating that. Source?

The source is the simple fact that you're wrong, and I even provided a little pic for starters.

>So, where you get your spacing from.
Keep it tidy fuckwad, you don't need 20 spaces to make a point

You're an autistic faggot. I get this typing style from forums. You probably don't even know what those are, but you can go to any forum and see people format their posts like that. I grew up on those and I won't change my posting style so your autism is less provoked.

>eg., the dying part of the internet.
The edgy, fat nekbeard kids disappeared along with MLP going out of vogue, if you're old enough to be around for that.

Still wrong. Ponyfags and fedora tipping atheists both exist in large numbers still. 4chan is not indicative of the entire internet.

>>132574493
>A soul can exist outside of time.
There's no such thing. That's a platonic concept invented by tribes who did not have neurology. It's been disproven BY neurology, since personalities can chemically change.

Thus it becomes the realm of "feel good banter" that humans tell themselves is "eternal and timeless" in order to feel better.

In theory, you'd feel better by appreciating nature, but hey humans like to make up shit for fun anyway.

Because it's better to live a life than believe or question whether or not there's a God or nah.

Find out when your dead that's what I say.

>>132574323
Asians have an interesting take on life with their prioritization of wisdom.
It seems like the biggest reason why they like to stay as an insular society.

Why are American atheists so cringey.
Is it becaude it's not the norm?
I'm atheist and nearly everyone I know is one but we don't act smug about it because it's a personal belief anyway.

Also religion is an important cultural phenomen. I'm torn on this, I don't like how religion brainwashes the masses but I would actually miss the beauty around it.
Churches are cool.

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Belief in a higher power is ingrained into the human psyche. Atheism is an aberration.

>>132574776
You just said it yourself, you want this "superstition" to fade away because there is no proof of it.

You say it's not impossible that aliens seeded life on Earth but then that we shouldn't believe in such ideas. So yes, you do try to eliminate any ideas that don't have basis in present evidence, like God.

>>132569562
it's called linguistics fuckhead

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>>132573906
I believe that one should question why the believe and what they believe but even the Bible discuss how people will always question things relating to god so asking for "absolute belief and obedience" is antithetical to Christian teachings. This leads to the point that people weren't questioning the "will of god" they were calling the Catholic Church on their bullshit.

Secondly there being a specific way to worship is a meme in and of itself. There isn't a specific way to worship or pray as long as the individual is worshiping or praying to god. The argument that "my way of worship is better" is also very contradictory to the teachings of the Bible. Reformations are ways of challenging the institutions status quo almost exactly how science challenges the status quo of pseudo scientific theories that are accepted today. People aren't questioning the overarching goal of science to challenge how people see things and think. They're just challenging the authorities holding up certain ideas of science

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>>132571138

Well, it's funny, I think it will be a surprise to everyone when the Hegelian dialectic synthesis kicks in and Euro/NA Muslims realize they're conservative as fuck and start to vote as such. I think they're relying on SJW cancer being cured and allowing sharia cancer to take over but in truth I think the two ideologies will clash if and when the resistance front we have going here falls. They've summoned a dangerous golem in weaponizng marxist ideologies, one they can't neccecarily maintain control over. It's with this you begin to realize what a truly distorted old pervert Soros is, he cares only to weaken states and has not really thought ahead to ways in which the situation might mutate. He's a twisted Paladin, it matters to him only that he's harmed the system of statehood because deep down he's only a pretender to his father's dreams.

The problem I ultimately forsee is the radical left not being able to beat Islam, they can't, they're too soft and Islam will rule for a thousand years if it's left up to them to defend us.

>>132574344
There's a big difference between not buying into the institution's bullshit and removing yourself from religion

>>132562033
Two reasons:
(1) that's objectively untrue
(2) any decline can be attributed to anti-intellectual sentiments championed by conservative groups.

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>>132562033
>leaf

You wish

>>132575137
>You say it's not impossible that aliens seeded life on Earth but then that we shouldn't believe in such ideas.
No, I did not say that. I will say that we should not believe something is definitely true without evidence.

Believing in a possibility and a probability is perfectly acceptable and encouraged, where there is evidence for it.
But as you should see, religions speak in absolutist terms without absolute evidence, and therefore are objectively wrong.

>>132575220
>so asking for "absolute belief and obedience" is antithetical to Christian teachings
>antithetical
Of course it isn't. Even Saint Augustine said one could not have salvation merely for being a christian outside of the church.

If there's one thing that characterizes all abrahamic religion, it is the demonization of doubt. What about all the hands shriveling in John? Disbelief is condemned consistently.

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>>132575388
>Not true
>Conservatives did it

>>132575039
Our personality is not defined wholly by our brain chemistry. For one, DNA fixes certain parts of who we are, so the brain is not the only place where our identity is formed.

So yes, the concept of eternal and timeless is absolutely possible and I strongly believe it to be true. You say that the ancients didn't have neurology, I say that billions of people over thousands of years all across the world are collectively wiser than our disrespectful intellectuals.

>>132575356
>There's a big difference between not buying into the institution's bullshit and removing yourself from religion
You don't seem to understand that you are only able to have that opinion because, from the view of that institution, you are an atheist. You don't believe in what they say about their deity.

"You just call it the same thing you lying filthy left-legger heretic."

The idea of the religion as different from the church of apostolic foundation's dogma is the inventive product of, you guessed it, 'disbelief'.

>>132575680
>If there's one thing that characterizes all abrahamic religion, it is the demonization of doubt. What about all the hands shriveling in John? Disbelief is condemned consistently.
The point is that it's wrong but it's as inevitable as a sin that's why there is salvation for all sin. Reaffirming ones faith in god is a part of the process of "growing to be like Christ"

>>132575680
Would you be perfectly OK with the bible and religion if there was a disclaimer on the inner cover that wrote "Best estimation only, not 100% confirmed!".

>>132575793
>billions of people over thousands of years all across the world are collectively wiser
Proof of ignorance. Many people doing a thing does not make it right, good, or valuable.

Religion cannot admit it was wrong, which prevents the development of things like neurology, which is the objective truth that saves millions of lives today.

Which is why religion contributes vastly to the world's continued immorality. Makes people unable to realize their superstitions are harming them. They justify them "spiritually".

>>132576285
The evidence is overwhelming that across the ages, all parts of the world, man believed in the concept of the eternal.

I guess it doesn't fit your standard of almost certainty?

As long as materialists decide which beliefs should be allowed and others scrubbed because they are "harmful", "superstitious", materialists will show themselves to be wrong about reality.

>>132564563
Your flag is a fruit roll up

>>132576135
>The point is that it's wrong
Right, according to that religion "doubt is wrong". Doesn't that seem pretty evil to you?

Shouldn't you just want to be a good and kind person instead?

>>132576157
>a disclaimer on the inner cover that wrote "Best estimation only, not 100% confirmed!"
Do you know how many lives that would have saved? How many torture victims?

There are other problems with christian ideology, like the meekness fetish and pathological altrusim, but merely admitting the possibility that they could be wrong would be huge. They don't though. It's a religion of prideful smugness, and that's why it's been in continuous decay and warfare.

>>132565406
Christians are the ones who push for race mixing and immigration the most.

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>>132573693
No he's not. I'll posit that 'God' is all-powerful, omniscient and all-being. And that he self-creates our world. And that he 'became aware' at some point in 'his' timeframe, which is something like 14.7 billion years ago in 'our' timeframe. And that all consciousness comes ultimately from his consciousness. Same as Penrose, Hameroff and Zizzi.

>>132576540
>The evidence is overwhelming that across the ages, all parts of the world, man believed
In exorcising demons to cure the flu. You're just proving yourself arrogant, nothing more.

>which beliefs should be allowed and others scrubbed
That's what religions do, obviously.

Materialists just try to tell you to consider getting a flu shot, rather than a bone charm, yeah?

Why don't you just view materialist science and medicine as the real 'spirituality'? Then everything will make sense. Because it's not as if those ancient tribesmen are telling the difference between a plane skywriting and an angel.

>>132576540
I believe in my religion because its the main one our entire tribe believes in lok. Its just rng which tribe ur born into, fuck the other 300 countries xd

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>basically grew up in a non-religious household
>mom is spiritual/believes in god but not really into organized religion
>don't even really know about my dad's beliefs, figure he's probably closer to atheist than anything else
>only church services that family really went to were Easter with relatives, weddings and funerals, etc.
>consider myself atheist, not anti-religious, actually have a ton of respect for the missionary and philanthropic work that a lot of religious folks do, just don't believe at all

This is basically what happens when you grow up without religion. The "default" is obviously no belief. I don't know where the reputation of atheists just rebelling against their parents comes from.

And interestingly enough, my sister ended up becoming somewhat religious and involved in groups like FCA (introduced to her through friends in school).

>>132576609
See now you're distorting what good and evil are. There is nothing "good" about creating doubt. Therefore no, christians shouldn't be told to doubt the will of God, that would be evil.

In another post of yours you boast about the objectivity of neurology, clearly you see certainty as good and doubt as evil.

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Initially it took a Universe to attain consciousness. Over billions of years he has created our nervous system to focus that consciousness in very small localized sensory regions centered near our optic nerves.

Who are those ateizt you are talking about?
Is it like goth or sth?

>>132576943
So you conveniently edit out what their beliefs were. This many cultures over so many separate parts of the world over so many years, and you reject their findings, their wisdom. Because you've made your mind in what is objective.

And what if you backed the wrong investigative method? Now you understand why people don't like materialism.

>>132577015
>There is nothing "good" about creating doubt.
Of course there is. That's how you stop con-men from hurting people. That's how you invent new scientific theories. Doubt is good, doubt is healthy, blind and unquestioning belief is evil.

You can disagree if you want, but it's not like you can summon up a deity to back up your idea that no one should doubt its existence and "will". (As spoken through conveniently human priests and kings, of course.)

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God doesn't particularly love you. Any more than you 'love' a hair on a pimple on your ass. Some of us receive a greater or lesser share of God's love and attention. God doesn't make 'sacrifices'. He's all-powerful and get's exactly what he wants.

>>132562033
>Why is atheism going out of fashion so fast?

Aging boomers know they deserve to go to hell. 11th hour repentance.

>>132562033
Ha ha. It's actually becoming exponentially more popular! magicianfags BTFO!

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>>132577426
There is no 'hell', other than hell on earth.

>>132577229
>many cultures over so many separate parts of the world over so many years, and you reject their findings, their wisdom
That dances bring rains? Yep, I reject their "wisdom".

That woad tattoos deflect projectiles? Oh yeah, "wisdom" rejected.

Not only can humans be wrong, they have been proven SO wrong as to make skepticism the only sane and logical conclusion. If there's any "spiritual beings", they're free to show up in public at their earliest convenience.

Remember, appeals to arrogance are not arguments.

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>>132576609
>Right, according to that religion "doubt is wrong". Doesn't that seem pretty evil to you?
I see your point honest. But the reason why is that doubt leads to the rebellion against rules and structures that are needed (don't murder, don't covet don't fuck your best friends wife) things like that but in the larger scale the sin in an of itself is irrelevant it's that salvation is necessary for any sin and in doing so allows one be closer to god

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>>132577470
Magic implies the 'supernatural'. God is 169% natural. Atheist fags with no spiritual awareness BTFO!

>>132577528
I never said anything about any of that.

I mentioned that they all believed in the eternal, the infinite. There is nothing subjective, nothing cultural. You've dodged the argument. You reject any evidence based on any whims, get a better investigative method.

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What is god to you, /pol/?

For me, it's this annoying voice in my head that insists muslims are more moral than I am by virtue of being oppressed, and that the future of the world lies in the hands of gay couples, and that you're more likely to go to hell if you vote against abortions, because children's lives have no inherent value.

It's not the kind of thing I'd expect god to say, and it got me thinking that maybe I should go atheists because this god of mine isn't doing it for me.

Anyone else has this problem?

>>132565560
your mother's blowjobs

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>>132577700
God is as infinite as it gets. Definitely bigger than we can wrap our mortal brains around. He's all-being. Not for some dumbass atheist to 'doubt' or 'judge' God.
>Be dumbass atheist
>Rationalize 'If God is all-powerful why does he allow X'
>Be the dumbass mortal trying to judge God.
>What a fucking dumbass.

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>>132577741
No, God is the Universal Consciousness. If you have disturbing thoughts, try praying to God to stop them or to understand them so they don't bother you. Or talk to a shrink.

>>132577700
>You reject any evidence based on any whims
"Other people believed it" isn't evidence. They were wrong. It's that simple. People can be wrong.

You're just using open-ended language like "the eternal" to promote some animistic crap. "People believed that roads could go further, believe in my religion now!"

>>132577532
>doubt leads to the rebellion against rules and structures
Which is a good thing. That's how you can tell which rules and structures are actually good.

If something is good for society, like "don't murder people", it requires no religion to maintain itself. In fact, religious beliefs in an afterlife can increase murders: "kill them all and let Deus sort them out".

Mutual self-interest maintains the good laws. That's why capitalism works, and why christianity has often lead to detrimental communism (religious communes).

>>132577948
Well are we talking about God or the christian god? Because as an atheist, I severely doubt the bible, but I accept the possibility of there being an omniscient being up there.