Supreme Court Cases Regarding Anonymity

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>>132552919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

>>132552919
(((they))) know we have too much freedom of speech in the U.S. to actually censor us, so they rely on self-censorship to do the heavy lifting. Scare a few people, make a few posts on 4chan saying "you know the CIA is reading these posts right?" and "are you really posting here without a VPN?! sweating_pepe.png" It's all psy-ops, to get you to hesisate next time you are about to post something against ((their interests))

>>132553285

Well, hopefully /pol/tards contribute to this thread and spread this information around - because it's important

>>132554178
yes....hopefully

>>132552919
>>132554178
Commies should be sent to re-education camps.

FRUM
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>>132552919
Yeah, anonymity was crucial for the rise of Hitler. Imagine how difficult it would had been for him to rise to power if people couldn't voice their opinions anonymously.

>>132553285
I agree but havent some people been arrested simply for posting on here?

>>132555450

Prussianism, the German Revolutionary movement during the Weimar period, and Nazis freely expressed their opinions - even organized in public!

>>132555703

>"People are permitted to interact pseudonymously and anonymously with each other so long as those acts are not in violation of the law".

It's a modern day witch hunt for people with "wrong" thinking

Suppression of speech and ideas through tyranny works too

And yes, we have a right to anonymity, and if the place we talk on swears to keep it anon (unless a law is broken), then those that wish to remove anon are in the wrong.

>>132555703
Sure, in Europe.

>>132552919
better than britain

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>>132552919

Tactical Bump. Bump in 10-cycles. Repeat as necessary.

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Bump for victory
Frankly anyone who tries to destroy our anonymity we should destroy. I don't care if its hypocritical I'm fucking livid at the idea they can just go around unmasking people they disagree with, no matter how distasteful their comments, to ruin their lives. These type of people who would do such things should be lined up shot, and buried in shallow graves because they have nothing but mob rule to offer the free world.

>>132556354
no one in europe was ever arrested because of posting on 4chan

>>132552919
>The tyrants are out. They want to reveal all dissent so as to destroy your lives.

Maybe if you didn't say nigger so much online you wouldn't be so worried about it.

>>132552919
Why is Joe such a cuckold?

Hank Hill-looking motherfucker.

>>132557776
That's only because 4chan servers are in the US and protected by US law.

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>>132552919
tell that to bloggers living in third world nations with no freedom

oh wait

>>132552919
>Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority...It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation—and their ideas from suppression—at the hand of an intolerant society

I mean this right here says it all. I don't see how anyone could argue against this. Also, it's hilarious that the liberals of all people want to do away with free speech and anonymity. They are the ones who need it most.

>>132552919
Hmm...same lefties against anonymity don't want to turn their voter rolls over...

>>132552919
>posting anonymously not a crime
Figuring out who someone is isn't a crime either.
You are trying to defend this reddit faggot by enshrining anonymous privacy and there's just no pretext for it at all.

You are allowed to be anonymous.
Other people are allowed to work out who you are and publish your name if you're being a cunt.
These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

>>132557657
get off of your high horse, as if /pol/ doesn't doxx moron SJWs all the time.
This board has overseen entire campaigns around sussing out who people are so they can be attacked.

>>132558549
When you post identifiable information under the same pseudonym social media account that you call people niggers and chinks on all day, its your own fault when that anonymity goes tits up.
People have no obligation to pretend they don't already know who you are.

>>132558736
Why would anyone want to volunteer their voter information to the Trump administration? Voter fraud is a literal meme and he will manipulate as much data as necessary to waste even more money investigating his ILLEGALS STOLE MUH POPULAR VOTE conspiracy.
Having every state in the country supply you with their full voter rolls is a super convenient way of saving yourself a ton of effort trying to collect that data yourself for reelection. Its just selfish bullshit all around.

>>132559586
well hey I never said people have to like what you post. But anonymity is still a good thing.

>>132559586
Scared, shill? You should be.
Once we put (((cnn))) against the wall, you're next.
America doesn't need your self-hating, anti-freedom bullshit. How does Soros' cock taste, you literal communist slave?

>>132559927
You're not putting anyone against any walls you LARP faggot. 24 hours later and already almost nobody cares anymore.
>soros cock communist ((()))) shill
do these buzzwords make you feel like less of a failure, anon?

>>132559793
Anonymity is good but it is also fragile.
If you break your own anonymity don't expect someone else to put it back together for you.

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>joe can anonymously kill interns, but we can't anonymously post memes

>>132560898
>>failure
>>says the dumbfuck arguing against anonymity on an anonymous board.

If you hate freedom so much go somewhere else, you assblasted faggot.

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>>132553244
>checked
fascinating anon

>>132552919
My view: if you don't want to be called Psycho Joe, don't murder an intern

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>>132558549
>Also, it's hilarious that the liberals of all people want to do away with free speech and anonymity
because they foolishly believe that they'd be the ones to become the tyrants.

and not, you know, already tighten the noose the existing tyrant has around everyones' neck

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>>132561786
this shit is so simple, even videogames managed to grapple with it.

>>132555703
>arrested
Yeah, that's not the CIA way, idiot.
>user was c& for this post

>>132561905
based poo

>>132558808

It's not a crime. The problem is you're falling for their 'but they did it too!' bullshit. Liberals doxx people for literally disagreeing with their ideas, like that guy in Canada who got fucking RUINED by those feminists who claimed he was harassing them for disagreeing with them. These are the people who for years advocated for internet anonymity because it suited their goals, and now that the narrative is turning against them they are suddenly against the idea. Even when they were for internet anonymity they were so convinced they had the moral imperative that their cognitive dissonance allowed them to scream for internet anonymity out of one side of their mouth while the other doxxed people who didn't go along with their ideas. Now the the only reason they are pretending to be against anonymity is because we're gaining ground and they want to be able to shame people for wrongthink.

>>132561786
why is it the liberals who attack the Patriot Act and the conservatives who say "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about"? (I'm team Anonymous by the way.)

>>132555703
No one has ever been arrested "simply for posting here"
You get arrested if you do illegal shit and then show proof you're doing illegal shit on 4chan, as if posting on an anonymous board stops the feds.

Anyone doing anything "dicey" should be using a VPN regardless

>>132552919
(((David Frum)))

Not even kidding.

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>>132555703
Maybe in Germany, but what do you expect from a caliphate?

>>132562296
>>132562338
Every fucking time

>>132561267
>arguing against anonymity
You're really a dense one aren't you.
Do you even understand the things that you're saying?
You think this boils down to some stupid dichotomy between
>DUR ANONYMITY GOOD
>DUR ANONYMITY BAD
Le Reddit is not even real anonymity. It is persistent-identity pseudonymous social media.
Part of using anonymity is that if you use it in such a way to completely shame yourself it becomes your own responsibility to ensure you don't ALSO post enough identifiable personal information that someone can just work out who you are by your posts.
You can't be an obvious edgetroll and then expect people to keep your secrets or respect your privacy. That shit is just delusional, anon. This reddit faggot is lucky CNN didn't namedrop him (even though everyone is pretending like they did anyway). Its why /pol/ has doxxed so many people over the years. Have a little long term memory, if you've even been here long enough to have one.

>>132563182
>This reddit faggot is lucky CNN didn't namedrop him (even though everyone is pretending like they did anyway)
Actually, it's more damning that they DIDN'T outright dox him, because what they're doing instead is blackmail.

>>132563565
Betting the dumbfuck that thought this was a good idea didn't run this by a lawyer. Guess he couldn't wait until after the 4th for the lawyers to get back to work.

>>132563756
Apparently the Kaczynski kike is claiming that he didn't write the "blackmaily" parts and those were put in by CNN editors, but it doesn't really matter, and he's been contradicting himself left and right anyway.
Regardless, I actually don't think CNN will face any charges. Not because they don't deserve it, but because the legal system is fucked and these people always tend to be above the law.

That said, an actual court of law doesn't matter. We're in the court of public opinion, and they're being hanged, drawn, and quartered when it comes to public opinion. That's what matters here, and it should be our focus.

>>132564071
That's fine with me. Best case scenarios for me is that a) CNN closes up shop or b) they get to actual reporting/journalism. As we all know, option b has a snowball's chance in hell (definitely not Dante's version as I'd say it'd have a 50-50 shot there) so let's work on getting option a into reality.

>>132562149
Jesus christ anon when did your world turn inside out that you believe this shit.
This reddit moron WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO OUT HIMSELF with his posts AND CCN STILL DIDN'T DOXX HIM.
Conservatives are so desperate for a distraction right now that they are jumping on this literal one sentence of a shitty CNN article like its an existential threat from the countries collective liberal idealogues.

First /pol/ and t_d claimed this was about blackmail and then that definition fell apart (t_d will keep shilling their hashtag for months because reality means nothing to them), then criminal coercion which it demonstrably isn't either, then its a free speech issue which doesn't work out against CNN either, and now its an argument about the merits of anonymity. There's still nothing to stand on here. This wasn't some anonymous news source that CNN went around asking questions about or even a 4chan anon that they had IP traced.

The conservative argument here is that even if you're dumb enough to have your edgelord reddit account identified by your own posts, no matter how much attention you get or how much you shitpost everyone is just supposed to turn away and pretend like they don't already know who you are, that you're not a real person you're just a pretend person on the internet whos privacy should be respected.
What kind of world would it be if we all had to look over our shoulders to make sure we weren't accidentally wearing a nametag before we called someone a mooncricket?

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>>132563565
Its not blackmail at all.
Do you really just pull this shit up in its base definition and think "yeah these situations seem like the same thing if i generalize them enough"
Like if a black person hears you say 'nigger' under your breath and tells you "if i hear you say that again I'm telling your parents" do you honestly believe that this constitutes criminal blackmail? Because that's what you're arguing here.

>>132564501
Well, fuck I lost my reply. I'm not arguing the guy didn't do some dumbass shit. I'm simply pointing out that the liberal position here is insanity. They were rabidly for internet anonymity two years ago. It was a huge rallying cry for them when things were going their way. Now that the popular opinion is shifting to the right they want to get rid of anonymity so they can publicly shame people again, like when they would dox people and make them lose their jobs or even face jail time for just disagreeing with them. It sounded like you were arguing against internet anonymity and I just don't want to see people fall for their trap because you can't put that cat back in the bag.

Joe loves Mika's 10 inch cock.

>>132552919
>David Frum
And in my view every Jew who advocates a war should fight in it.

Well, there's a distinction between what you should do in general and what you should be able to do. In a way, being anonymous is your right, but it does not mean that you should use without a good reason. Roleplaying a nazi on the internet is not a good reason and it will harm you if you get exposed. Like, imagine your coworker notices you posting your usual racist stuff on /pol. Remember, btw, that 4chan does not use https meaning that all parties in the middle (your employer, your isp, your cell operator, etc) know what you post.

>>132565643
The Frenchman who thinks he understands English, ladies and gentleman.
>protip
>in our legal tradition, a "right" does not require some sort of god-damned legal defense campaign that can be found reasonable by an enemy
>a right is a right, it precedes government itself
I don't need a reason to enjoy a right and if you think you do, then you have no rights.

>>132566307
You have a right to stick a cucumber up your ass. I suggest you now go and enjoy this right.

>>132565370
Neither myself nor 4chan in general has EVER had a "dont doxx anyone ever" attitude.
Some people deserve to be doxxed. Internet anonymity isn't a dichotomy between 'an unecessary evil' and 'an unassailable civil right'. There are fine lines about how that anonymity is maintained and how much other people have to participate in keeping your identity secret.


This isn't an attack on anonymity in general, it is BARELY even an attack on the anonymity of this 1 troll unlucky enough to have his anti-cnn shitpost retweeted by the fucking president.

The conservative shitsphere is acting right now like CNN led a doxxing campaign against this guy and is now going after his family and dog or some shit.
The guy made his identity obvious and posted name-the-jew infographic memes specifically about CNN and CNN still let him remain anonymous.

They literally only contacted this guy for a comment in which he broke down and acted like a total bitch. Thats why the conservative forums are really pissed off about this, because CNN absolutely humiliated one of their own and is going to get away with it.
Just let CNN take their win and stop convincing yourself this is a bigger ideological issue. It isn't.

>>132553244
>>132561655
Don't show this to the gangstalking nuts.

>>132566825

I don't see how CNN won at all. Everyone sees how much they overreacted over an average meme and how they will run an average citizen's name through the mud as a nationwide news organization just for making a joke at their expense. They're not gonna get sued into bankruptcy but this was in no way a win for them.

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>>132566825
Fuck the jews you kike apologist.

>>132552919
Inb4 he resigns over commenting "Hot" on a cuck porn video.

>>132562338
A

>>132552919
I've seen several threads on here saying CNN dindu nuthin because in Georgia coercion falls under extortion and doesn't apply, etc.
The guy supposedly lives in Tennessee. So I found this, and it seems to apply:
Title 39 - Criminal Offenses
Chapter 14 - Offenses Against Property
Part 1 - Theft
39-14-112 - Extortion.

39-14-112. Extortion.

(a) A person commits extortion who uses coercion upon another person with the intent to:

(1) Obtain property, services, any advantage or immunity; or

(2) Restrict unlawfully another's freedom of action.

(b) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution for extortion that the person reasonably claimed:

(1) Appropriate restitution or appropriate indemnification for harm done; or

(2) Appropriate compensation for property or lawful services.

(c) Extortion is a Class D felony.

[Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1.]

>>132564501
Fuck off jew

>>132567436
>everyone sees
Everyone on /pol/ and parts of reddit? The places that already hated CNN and will hate CNN just a little bit more for a couple days?

>>132568283
>Oy vey, nobody will ever change their mind so just give up, goy!

Jesus fucking christ, grab yourself by the balls and rethink your outlook on life. Every little victory like this breaks a bit of the brain washing and turns people over to our side. The change in public opinion towards white pride and Hitler himself in the last two years didn't happen with one victory. They happened with a bunch of little truths seeping into their echo chambers.

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>>132552919
I have 2 things to say to you.

1. Your anonymity is not in danger. Using fake information on accounts in itself is a form of anonymity.

2. If /pol/ actually does manage to cripple CNN to the point where they are actually driven out of business, I fear that this could spell bad times ahead for 4chan. If CNN is successfully destroyed by /pol/'s & reddits efforts, the destruction of a once successful or popular news outlet could raise alarm across certain circles. If that happens, have you considered the possibility that people with legitimate power may actually take steps to try and snuff out places like these as a result. I'm not necessarily asking you to stop, but I am warning you guys to think about the consequences of your actions as you proceed.

>>132568696

I don't want them necessarily gone not only because you make a good point but for another reason. We are guaranteed enemies. It's better to be continually fighting a man that's already lost all of his limbs than to finish him off and have a replacement sent. Then you have to start fighting all over again.

Just let CNN wobble around in the mud and blood. They've proven to be ineffective opponents, more likely to shoot themselves in the foot when they hear some rustling in the dark than wake for the whites of our eyes.

>>132568696
>have you considered the possibility that people with legitimate power may actually take steps to try and snuff out places like these as a result. I'm not necessarily asking you to stop, but I am warning you guys to think about the consequences of your actions as you proceed.
CNN is doing a bangup job of fucking themselves already. Of course the powers that be are always looking for any excuse to add more control over our lives. Look at the patriot act. How many terrorists has that stopped? (but they know every book I've read at the library)
Fuck you Bush. If you pussies actually went to war and kicked ass, we wouldn't be in this situation.

>>132569721
>CNN is doing a bangup job of fucking themselves already.
Everyone said this about Trump on the campaign trail but it didn't matter because he was still getting more popular.
CNN is not actually fucked. Their ratings are at a record high. They are going to stop caring what conservatives on the internet think about their reputation and do what their actual, liberal customers want them to, which is attack trump and attack Trump enablers.
Their attitudes are headed the way of Fox news which is a shame but inevitable now.

Don't need an ID to vote, but need one to shitpost.

>>132552919

Right. Without anonymity information sharing quickly degenerates to mob mentality, because people aren't rational beings only. The only way to fight and idea is to talk and refute it. Constantly. And it renovates, which pushes dialog and the evolution of ideas. You can't blackmail an idea.

Just look at society, where almost everything money can corrupt is corrupt, directly or indirectly.

>>132568590
Its conservatisms own fault after years of pushing a "the media is all a lie and only tribalism matters now" narrative, that the media is no longer an effective place for them to push their agendas either.

>its blackmail
>its coercion
>its a violation of constitutional rights
>its about anonymity

Sorry anon, you struck out. If conservatism had a real point to make here they should have made it up front.

Honestly, now
>an edgelord reddit troll obsessed with muslims and niggers
>">running an average citizens name through the mud"
Stop being fake news, anon.

>>132570381
>Their ratings are at a record high.
Yea, for CNN. That's nothing to boast about.

>>132552919
If you have something to tell a reporter, you should give your name. If you won't give your name, you shouldn't say it.

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>>132571025
Fucking retard you have the worst cable news ratings.

How can you be proud of your company.

Faggot shill is obvious.

>>132571025
It's probably the circles you run around in, but someone who doesn't like niggers and Muslims isn't as uncommon as you would like to think.
I see you posting over and over like you're the rational one while you do damage control for a corporate news outlet, but you're wasting your breath.

>>132571086
Its also nothing to brag about them being 'destroyed' over.
Trump and his supporters like to live in this fantasy world where their opponents are all 'failing' and they're all 'winning'.
"low ratings morning joe" its highest ever ratings
"failing New York Times" not failing at all
"CNN crumbling" not even close
"Obamacare in a death spiral" lmao
What is it with this? is this some crypto attempt at self fulfilling public prophecy? Or just gaslighting his audience a little more?

>>132571664
How delusional are you?

>>132558080
What kind of idiotic legal reasoning is that? Does that mean that if someones accesses CP in the United States its ok as long as its being accessed from a server in the 3rd world because its not in the US? Jeez are you retarded?

>Black lives matter flag

Yep

>>132571612
How are they running his name through the mud when they're not running his name at all?
And even if they were, how is it running his name "through the mud" when the context is all his own?

>>132571356
I don't even have cable or like CNN you moron, but you can't seem to understand any opinion outside of "CNN is the best" or "CNN is a fraud". I guess this comes from your dear leader having a 50 word vocabulary and talking in nothing by hyperbole and exclamation marks.

>>132571984
Why don't you prove a single one of those points wrong or say nothing at all.

Meaning the MSM should release every name of their "Sources say" articles regarding the Trump-Russia investigation.

They just keep shitting on themselves

>>132566796
>yfw he's right

>>132572185
all your ratings pale in comparison to the talking heads on the internet.

Face is dog, CNN is done and soon after MSM completely.

>you should have to sign your name

All this tells me is that these people must view themselves as intellectually inferior. Because on 4chan and other anonymous sites, all you can do is argue ideas, or just type nigger as is commonplace here.

This angers them because they can't call someone racist or insult their morals, because what's the point of attacking the morals of what is essentially a bundle of words on a screen? It tells me that they can't actually counter what is said here or elsewhere, and their only tactic left is to attack the person rather than the argument. Essentially they rely so heavily on ad hominems, when put in a situation in which they can ONLY argue ideas, they panic and demand to know who's saying it.

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get rid of these fucking creatures

also somebody please post the image of neogaf fags wanting to completely do away with anonymity because "muh racism"

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>>132566825
>and CNN still let him remain anonymous.
Oh, how merciful! Reminder, it doesn't matter about HanAssholeSolo, the ENTIRE reason everyone is up in arms about this is because they attempted to coerce a private citizen, which is a crime in New York, and act like the victim when people are understandably upset.

If they can do it to him, they can do it to you. They can do it to any old joe living here in America for breathing wrong, if you allow the behavior to become accepted.

Unacceptable, down with CNN.

>>132572097
"running his name through the mud" is your context, not mine. I just responded to it.
The more you shill for CNN, the more desperate you sound. You claim to not even like them, yet you're here, defending them like they pay you, and your posts get more unhinged as one scrolls down the page to read them. This obviously isn't your kind of place, and personally, I'm way past debating the likes of you; I would rather your side just start up the inevitable civil war so we can get it over with. So, why are you still here?

>>132552919
>that pic
tell that to the british citizens who gets arrested for speaking out against their own invasion

>>132558080
But that doesn't make sense. I don't know if Facebook or the like is hosted in the US but people in Europe have been punished for posting things on Facebook.

If you're German and the law says 'you can't say you hate niggers' then proceed to go onto an American site and say 'I hate niggers' it doesn't matter. That'd be like if CP was legal in Russia so I go to a Russian website to view it while in America where it's illegal.

>>132571984
>How delusional are you?
You know the story of Noah's Ark? About the unicorns?
That's liberals in a nutshell. Delusional fucktards.

>>132552919
From Zero Hedges about page
>the right to remain anonymous may be abused when it shields fraudulent conduct. but political speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse.
>- mcintyre v. ohio elections commission 514 u.s. 334 (1995) justice stevens writing for the majority

>if you want to say something online, sign your name
Then why does CNN and MSNBC publish bunk news from """anonymous sources""""?

>>132571664
Liberal be gone!
No one can stomach you retards here.
Go back to bussfeed and reddict.

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>>132552919
Do they realize if they take away our anonymity there will literally be a beta uprising?

Your move.

>>132552919
How retarded are these fucking people? People back before our Declaration constantly posted shit under pseudonyms because they didn't want to get hung by the king and shit and die. Fuck is wrong with these people

Doxing is exercising free speech. Don't be a doxable moron.

>>132562149
This

>2014 was the turning point when 4chan literally became less thuggish than most of the internet

Anyone remember "DON'T DOX DON'T HARASS" threads on /v/? And of course we got zero credit for it.

>>132573283
Ben Franklin
When Franklin used a pseudonym, he often created an entire persona for the "writer." Sometimes he wrote as a woman, other times as a man, but always with a specific point of view. While all of his writings were focused and logical, many were also humorous, filled with wit and irony. Silence Dogood, Harry Meanwell, Alice Addertongue, Richard Saunders, and Timothy Turnstone were a few of the many pseudonyms Franklin used throughout his career.

>>132564501
A bit late, and I mostly agree with this, but I want to know how the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act comes into this. Given that domestic use of propaganda has statutory support, I wonder whether or not the government achieves these means through some sort of funding arrangement. If so, while not per se a constitutional violation, CNN accepting money and operating as a government mouthpiece likely satisfies the state actor element. If this were to happen, there would be at least a prima facie case for a 1A claim.

True freedom of speech requires anonymity.

>>132573697
PBS yes
CNN? definitely not.

Fascists hate anonymity

>>132559586

Shoo shoo terrible jew.

>>132574106
Nice b8

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>>132563565
Try to not be such a colossal trumpcuck bitch, you literally just mindlessly believe and repeat whatever lie told to you by trump's propaganda network to keep you busy and distracted for the day.

Trumpcucks like you literally spend all day, every day, every week, every month being issued imaginary enemies to keep you distracted while you cartoonishly get fucked over by the guy you've devoted yourself to like a fucking retard cultist you are. Today CNN, last week Cathy Griffin...Antifa...Shia labeof....sekret jew mexicans hybrids...pizza parlors....etc

Today you literally spent all day pointlessly attacking a news channel because of imaginary doxxing and blackmail that never happened, because you think they are threats against you while Trump himself not too long ago removed legal protections of your anonymity allowing private companies to buy your entire online history.

>>132574023
Definitely not is a fairly bold statement, though it's certainly likely. However, do you happen to know of any articles or case law addressing the mechanics of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act that might support this? I'd love some reassuring.

>>132574224
Prove it

So many shills ITT.

>>132572826
Why this guy? Pick your fuckin battles. This dude is the epitome of what the internet is now, what american politics has become. I go on a thread or comment board to ask a legitimate question or offer feedback or an opinion and there's always this guy, this dude, from reddit "fuckin nigger kike faggot ass nigger jews ruining my fuckin day you fuckin cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck shill faggot cuck hurr durr fuck all muslimes you fuckin libtard." Seriously

FUCK

THAT

GUY

Whoever you may be

>>132574256
CNN is a private commercially financed news organization. How the fuck do you connect the dots that there is some link with the government?

>>132552919
You're supposed to be anonymous on the internet. Posting personal info has always been a big DON'T.

>>132552919
Imagine my rage living in canada, where idiots in my country are "proud" of our censorship. Founders of America are the best men who ever lived.

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>>132552919
what about all those anonymous sources that gave intel on the russian collusion?

>>132574901
Well how far is it from you to the border?

>>132572826
You jumped to this coercion definition because you were looking for a legitimate reason to be upset. Criminal coercion has a shit ton of qualifying conditions, but nobody here cares. They want to LARP about CNN commiting a crime because they know thats what the public will respond to.
CNN humiliated a conservative internet troll and the rest of the conservative internet trolls are triggering themselves over it hard
>>132572889
its context from further up the reply string you jumped into
>>132567436
Lets be honest, anon. This is fundamentally a hissy fit between CNN and some reddit edgelord.
Defending CNN makes me look bad. Ultimately they acted petty and stupid.

Defending a reddit edgelord makes you look bad. Ultimately he revealed both his own identity and his powerlevel and therefor deserves the consequences of being a retard. Consequences he won't face anyway but even that's not good enough apparently. He was victimized anyway.

>>132553244
This is literally gangstalking. Wtf, good article anon.

>>132574928
>what about all those anonymous sources that gave intel on the russian collusion?
4chan anons = bad
Russia story anons = good.
This is CNN.

>>132552919

LOL as if this site isn't one big projection of fear on a regular basis, this raises the bar.

Is it too late to invest in NEET-sized Pampers?

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>>132574678
I wish they were a public company, so that their stock would crash and they could be even further embarrassed then they already are.

>>132552919
When I was a kid they told us to keep our identities secret on the internet, because ill-intentioned crazies could use it to hurt us. More true now than ever.

>>132575251
And yet, if you look up the criminal code, it's pretty clear. You literally just want to believe that which fits your narrative, while calling others out for what YOU are doing.

Cognitive Dissonance at its' finest.

>>132552919
>if you don't sign your name you shouldn't say it
>unless you're one of our news sources

If there's anyone that should be called out of anonymity it should be anonymous news sources that have deliberately lied. They should be stopped in their tracks so they can't keep it up ad infinitum going from journalist to journalist.

>>132575594
Most of CNN stock is owned by time warner and insurance companies. It's publicly traded and in that regard they are a "public" company that can take a financial hit if the company stock doesn't do well because of shit ;like what's happening now.

>>132552919
>>132573571
The funny thing is this Joe cunt always goes on about muh founders and how they would resist Drumpf, trying to present himself as some intellectual historian. I really hope someone calls him out on this

>>132574678
Read up on the state action doctrine. There are a few exceptions for when state action can be ascibed to a private entity. However, tbos is really in the context of the Equal Protection Clause under the 14th Amendment. Either way, it's not unheard of. I'm not the guy you were replying to, but this is more of a freedom of speech issue.

I can't remember if the government has free speech rights similar to individuals, but I assume so. Government officials have tort immunity from statements made within the scope of their duties, but I can't think of how the federal government would be violating the constitution if they use Congressional funds to proffer a message through a news conglomerate.

>>132574246

IT'S THE WOMEN GOOD GOD THEY SCARED OF THE WOMEN

>>132576273
It's funny when liberals pretend they know the constitution.

>>132576592
Its no different than when they reference the bible to try and control what you do or think.

>>132574928
They're still successfully anonymous.
If the conservative media knew who they were, you think they wouldn't attack them? Anon, please.

>>132576701
>Its no different than when they reference the bible to try and control what you do or think.
I laugh when Nancy Pelosi quotes the bible concerning her love for illegals while supporting abortion.

>>132576900
Its a dangerous tactic to start with. They REALLY don't want people to start living by everything in the bible, especially when they start quoting old testament.

>>132576826
>They're still successfully anonymous.
Reason being the story about russia is fake news so they never have to offer any proof.

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>>132562338
O V E N
.D O D G E R
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...D O D G E R
....O V E N
.....D O D G E R

>>132552919
Nigger, when you're enough of a blip on the elite's rader, they will shut you up.
When you take away a people's ability to blow off steam, the kettle will evenually rupture. They know, and they will let you impotently spit your bile on here because of that.

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>>132564501
>mfw

>>132574928
They're anonymous because they're fake.

A solid basis in America Jurisprudence for supporting the "right to anonymity" would be the first Amendment and it's case law. Specifically, the First Amendment's implied right against government compelled speech. Although the Amendment's power is not unlimited (yelling fire in a theater, obscenity, commercial speech, fighting words) there exists a right for individuals to not be made speak what the state would like them to say.

Here, the argument goes that infringing on a citizens anonymity would be a form of compelled speech. Another lesser basis would be the penumbra of privacy found in the First Amendmemt as well.

>>132576998
They're not supposed to be quoting the old testament anyway. That shit's in the Bible only for historical background and to show the prophecy of Jesus Christ becoming fulfilled. Things like "thou shalt only eat pb sandwiches with thy left hand on a Monday" is for kikes only and does not apply to Christians.

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>>132576592
I know right. I bet if you posted lines from the Declaration of Independence, those libruls would scream treason and declare you advocating armed violence! They don't even know the ten commandments are also called the bill of rights.

>>132576079
>when you look up the criminal code
Do you have any idea how many cases of mundane interaction fit the base code definition for "coercion," anon?
"if you do or don't do something, i'll do something that will negatively effect you in a general way in the future."

Copy and pasting excerpts from criminal codes might make this argument seem official, but take a hint: not even a single conservative legal professional is getting behind these claims of criminal coercion.
Many of his reddit posts mentioned in the CNN article don't qualify as protected speech. You don't even have a reasonable expectation of privacy on social media pseudonym or no.

>>132577313
>old testament
Is about Law. Think Jews.
New testament is about Christ. Supersedes OT..

>>132577414
Very obvious false flag. Even if it isn't, its just a sign of how distrustful your two sides are of each other now.

>>132577414
>The true history of the United States is lost.
-John Adams upon seeing that picture.

>>132577431
Nigger, if I learn of a secret, and use it to get someone to do something that I want, which they would normally not do, that is blackmail.

You can dance around all you want in this thread, you're still wrong and it's really obvious.

CNN used their weight as a large 'news' agency to shut someone up. If it is illegal for me to do it, it is certainly illegal for a large entity with lawyers out the asshole to do it. They literally know better.

>>132564501
GO BACK TO LE PLEBITT
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>>132577431
whether or not the the subject of the blackmail is legal has nothing to do with blackmail being illegal.

>>132564835
>Like if a black person hears you say 'nigger' under your breath and tells you "if i hear you say that again I'm telling your parents"
Tattletailing and revealing someone's personal information to the world are pretty different things in the eyes of a civil court.

Look what CNN did might not meet a legal definition of blackmail but depending on the state and the individual involved, they could face a fat lawsuit for harassment, the case would be even more open and shut if they actually released this individual's information. and While they could probably drag the case out and win in the former case, the negative publicity would cause more damage than just settling, either way they'd lose in that case.

Why would anyone take Murdering Joe seriously? The last person he trusted to intern for him was found murdered in Joe's office. Getting away with murder beats anonymity any day. amirite?

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>>132552919
>((((((((((((((DAVID FRUM))))))))))))))))))))))

>>132553285

In Australia or the U.K. they have a multitude of ways to "shut you up". A buch of speech regulation laws in the U.K. or in Australia the right to be sued for speech that isn't libel or slander, but merely "upsets" or "offends" (provided the complainent is a minority of course).

Eventually to circumvent U.S. freedoms internet companies will require a sign up process to use the internet that will be similar to facebook or twitter, plus ban tor nodes and proxies. It won't be "perfect" but it will be "good enough" for a chilling effect.

>>132577749
If the 'Kfile' idiots had simply worded it slightly differently, and toned down the end sentence into something like "we didn't publicize his info because that would be wrong, but we do know who he is", it wouldn't be illegal, just really really douchey.

They dug their grave.

>>132555703
Maybe in one of those Islamic countries like Germany but only people posting CP or actual murders have been hunted down.

>>132555703

Yeah, Moot worked with the police if people posted real life cp, or to catch killers that post clues, or the guy who killed his girlfriend and posted all the pics of her dead. I.e. Real crimes.

>>132555703

People arrested via 4chan are arrested for shit that would land them in jail regardless of when and where they said it. Nearly always bomb/shooting threats and hoaxes or child pornography.

>>132557776
>>132558080

He's incorrect actually. Back in the day there were a handful of arrests for school shooting threats made on /b/ (strangely mods loved reporting them, but were slow to act on cheese pizza...)

>>132557846
Maybe if you didn't act like so much a nigger we wouldn't.

>If you hurt my feelings you deserve violent or judicial punishment

Get the fuck out of here you commie scumsuckers.

>>132577865

You understand the only way to take power away from monopoly of Jews is to form a new World Allience right fuck tard?

>>132568696
>Destroy 4chan at its peak to elect Trump
>Destroy 4chan at its worst to destroy CNN
I call that a clutch play. This website is pozzed beyond retribution.

>>132555703
If you post CP or make credible threats towards people of influence, the FBI subpoenas hiroshimoot, and gets the IP.

FBI already has mod-rights to /b/, since it was overflowing with CP back in the day. moot just didn't have the resources to abide by 5 subpoenas a day, so it was hand over mod-rights or shut down 4chan.

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>>132552919

>if you have something to say online, you should sign your name to it
>According to a source familiar with his thinking
>source say
>an anonymous source says
>A former high ranking official says
>Expert sources say
>etc
>etc

>Play by the rules we set for you, goyim.
>What, no, they're rules that apply only to you. I don't have to follow them.

>>132566825

This is also partly true. Although the CNN situation is completely misread - It's simply doxxing for the sake of bullying people (I mean that literally, not in the juvenile sense).

4chan always doxed. We even had /i/ for awhile.

If you were posting on 4chan, and not faggot sites like reddit, it was assumed you understood how the internet worked. Like Normies prior to 2000, you knew that you never revealed anything true about yourself. Getting doxed on /b/ because of exif data or other stupidity was a time honored tradition that taught fags a lesson.

You should know better. Redditors are just typical redditors and don't.

>>132577180
This. It's best for them that you just shitpost than you actually gather and start exterminating the elite. That's what they're really afraid of. They can't stop the people from just deleting them from existence, once the people decides it.

So let the people talk shit, for it's better than the alternative. After all, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

>>132552919
Why would anyone want to be harrassed for something as benign as using the wrong gender pronouns?

>>132568696

>people with legitimate power

Nigga, Kimmo fucking RUINED this site all by himself, and he was a barely functioning autist pedophile.

If anyone, including leftists GENUINELY cared, they could fuck 4chan in a matter of hours just like we used to do to ourselves routinely.

If they can't, they're fucking tards and there is no reason to fear them.

Anyway, the Feds can, and have, taken 4chin down temporarily and all that happens is migration.

>>132553285

Yea fuck it. I just let shit fly!

>>132557846
The day posting the word Nigger online is a criminal offence is the day Freedom dies. Already far beyond that in Germany, Canada, etc.

>>132571025

>Conservatives are to blame for liberals turning the medium of cable news journalism in to a despised combination of gossip rag and propaganda

Nope.

CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times made the decision to abandon any pretext of being legitimate news sources and instead focus on propaganda for the last 10-15 years, and the result is that modern journalists have the same stature in society as ambulance chasing lawyers.

Trump doesn't damage their credibility with his attacks - He attacks them because they have no credibility and are loathed by the public, making them cheap and easy targets.

>>132571664

There readership and ratings are only sustained by covering Trump 24/7.

It's a vicious circle.

>>132578515
This.

4chan is more than just a website, it is a way of 'existing' on the internet. Slay this site and the hydra grows a new head. To truly kill the core of what /pol/ is, you would have to genocide the people who comprise /pol/.

TL;DR: Chans ain't going nowhere, and go ahead and fucking try it. Kick the autism and REEEEEEEE into full drive, just do it!

>>132577628
>>132577717
Let me explain something to you because you don't seem to understand that laws have a semantic structure.
Coercion and blackmail require that the action hes being coerced into stopping qualifies as free speech. Inciting violence against muslims on an internet platform that doesn't even allow you to incite violence against muslims on its platform is not protected speech.
Its just factually not, anons.

>>132577749
>cnn could face a harassment lawsuit
Makes 0 sense anon. They contacted this person a single time and then he willingly contacted them back. There is no grounds here for harassment at all.

>>132574668

>Implying the internet hasn't been squabbling with the remanents of the respectable MSM for the last 5 years

The fact that CNN relies on former Buzzfeed Bloggers for these stories tells you all you need to know about where they are at now.

>>132578177
Seems the jew has you dumb mericans by the balls once again, except this time around its the judicial jew.

>>132577881

The "Kfile idiots" were pioneers of doxxing and public mass shaming via social media.

That's what they specialized in.

People like the "Kfile idiots" and Piers Morgan are rightfully considered little better than child molesters or drug dealers. They're the bottom feeders of society. They prey on peoples worst instincts.

CNN and cohorts are now in league with this sort of yellow "journalism". That's why rather than pretend to report news, they peddle dangerous conspiracy theories and divisive and hateful rhetoric, to acitively try and get people hurt and killed because they're trying to undermine the "opposition".

Once you've reached that point, you're no longer a journalist. You're just a political agitator.

>>132578847
Let me explain something to you, oh high and mighty shitposter. It doesn't matter if he posted 'hate speech' (which is still protected), the coercion charge is laid against them for the qualifier of HanAssholeSolo 'flying straight' in their eyes, or they would turn around and dox him to the public. That is a threat held over his head if he does anything not to their liking.

How do YOU not understand this? He could've posted bible verses that somehow got their panties in a twist, it's the same thing. The extraneous content DOES NOT MATTER, the THREAT matters.

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ISIS is Israeli

They are responsible for all their actions

>>132578690
>He thinks conservatives have had a single legitimate news source in at least 20 years.

Name me a single conservative news source more legitimate than the New York Times.

A single one, anon. Any day now.

>>132578847
Little word warrior I would stomp your neck and you'd cry for the police you hate for help.

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>>132577521
Yeah totally false flag. Tango down! Tango down!

No doubt, NPR planned some elaborated fake tweet responses to their annual posting of lines from the Declaration of Independence...something they do every year on the 4th of July....to promote their reading on their radio station...something they've been doing for something like 20+ years...this year they planned elaborate embarrassing knee jerk butthurt fake responses from fake mindless trumpcucks neo-nazis who worship trump like a king...and being typical members of trumpkkkaeda have spent their lifetimes being uneducated inbred hicks who see the very idea of education, knowledge, science, intellectualism, etc as a threat and vice....all a false flag to misrepresent trumpcuckists who are in fact highly educated freedom loving neo-nazi nu-fascists led by America's most noble educated intellectual president.

>>132579191
>He thinks incitement of racial violence are protected speech.
>He thinks using an online platform against the ToS of that platform are protected speech.
No, anon they're not.
Stop trying to make this a general argument when you've already lost.

>>132579209
Today? Right now? Fox News.

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>>132579291
>Little word warrior I would stomp your neck and you'd cry for the police you hate for help.

>>132555703
I'm being tracked if that is anything to go by.
I'm sure you fags are as well only a matter of time one of you gets arrested and incriminated under false accusations

>>132579209

There are none.

Conservatism has been dead since the mid 70's. On both sides of the pond.

The Neo-Conservatism of William Fuckley and the National Review combined with Murdoch (who now applies what he learned in the Right Wing gutter press to the left with his outlets like Vice) destroyed conservative politicians and thought.

What has happened in the last ten years is that the rightfully derided model undertaken by Faux News became the model adopted by the left in outlets like Washington Post and CNN. They lowered themselves to meet the supposed "enemy", which ignoring the fact that they were journalists who had adopted an ideological allegiance.

Right now Breitbart is unironically more legitimate a news site than The New York Times. They lie by omission, rather than fabrication.

And this race to the bottom is why journalists (bloggers) are reviled society wide EXCEPT when they're attacking people-we-don't-like.

>>132579209
Forbes, Wallstreet Journal

>>132579439
ToS has literally nothing to do with them threatening to release his info outside of said platform. Doesn't matter where he said it, doesn't even matter what he said for that matter. Litterally all that matters in this case is
1. A shitposter booty tickles CNN (really, Trump booty tickled them)
2. CNN publicly posts a very smug and thinly veiled threat.
3. Private citizens are enraged that a private citizen is being attacked by a NEWS AGENCY.

Defend it all you want guy, what CNN did was illegal, immoral, and downright disgusting. Whatever fallout they catch, they earned.

>>132579667

>Wallstreet Journal

pls anon, no.

>>132579803
wsj, forbes are conservative outlets no doubt about it anon

>>132579788

>illegal, immoral, and downright disgusting

Not really.

But;

>Be CNN
>Be worth ~4 Billion
>Be a giant corporation with thousands of employees and affiliates
>Be endlessly engaged in social media spats with teenagers and basement dwellers over the relative value of Dank Memes

They are in the gutter and don't look like they're going to get out anytime soon.

>>132579462
How much do cotton do you need to shove in your ears before Fox stops looking like transparent propaganda? I mean jesus christ, anon.
Whats really sad is that Fox News is literally the best you have to offer. I mean is there even a #2?

>>132579948
>>132579803
You have to read very carefully between the lines with them though, whether they are conservative or not.

If there is one thing my time daytrading taught me, and it taught me a lot, it's that ANY publication or outlet involved in finance at all will lie for money. Really simple, if they can post an article that makes a financial instrument go one way or the other by influencing traders, they will, and they will profit from it and laugh when people take the bait and feed them money.

>>132580126
Yes, it's blatant propaganda. So is everything you mentioned. I don't see the issue.

>>132579948

WSJ isn't conservative at all. They literally launched a left wing propaganda campaign against "racccciisssssssmmmmm"

It's Murdochism. Vice, HeatSt are just typical cut throat globalist capitalism with slight variations in the degrees of social liberalism, just like all Murdoch properties.

There are no real conservative outlets in the manner of NYT, WashPo or CNN, which are as much progressive as they are Neo-Liberal. The Right only has legitimate Neo-Con outlets.

>>132552919
(((David Frum)))

>>132552919
My view: If you don't want to tell your employer, school, or union bosses how you voted, you shouldn't vote.

Abolish the secret ballot.

>>132580141

Yeah, it was hilarious seeing what The Economist put out for free in public and what they kept behind paywalls during the election cycle.

>>132578079
Ugh. People can be so disgusting.

>>132555703
Anonymity doesn't exist like you'd think on here. You can be arrested if you're doing dodgy shit and breaking the law. Anonymity on here simply applies in the sense
>"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."
By which they mean people not entrusted with the professional manner of dealing with the legality of content cannot simply look to shame you.

>>132578177
Good point

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>>132557846
>your rights end where my feelings begin

>>132552919
Shills BTFO
Anonymous sources BTFO

>>132580468
Oh yes. I made a decent buck off all the polling shenanigans; the more every outlet said shit like "Trump has 1% chance to win" and posted skewed polls, the further the odds pushed in my favor.

I don't ever see another presidency coming up with the opportunity to win 10 to 1 or better ratios. It was SO satisfying to see all the smug shillary bots literally lose thousands of dollars on PredictIt and similar sites, they talked so much shit and lost their lunch money.

>>132580126

>Is there even a number 2

Not really.

But it feels good knowing the left no longer has anything better to offer, and in the case of CNN and The Washington Post, they legitimately have something worse.

The sad thing is that every once in awhile you will get legitimately great work slip through the cracks and show up on The New York Times or even Huffington Post, while I don't think anything on the Right ever creeps in.

I mean, interesting "conservatives" like Niall Ferguson actually have to go to NBC or CNN simply because the average mass consumer of Fox News has their eyes glaze over if people aren't shouting or waving flags.

It's why people on the Right have ended up on alternative media platforms, because finding any legitimate outlet is impossible. Which means conservatives and right wingers end up in bed with fucking fringe retards.

It's why we find relatively intelligent conservatives like Jared Taylor or Ben Shapiro in the same bucket as Thernobitch or Mainstreeeem Meteor.

>>132553285
All your posts plus ip are logged via captcha. Google runs captcha. we know (((cia)))

>>132570381
>They are going to stop caring what conservatives on the internet think about their reputation and do what their actual, liberal customers want them to, which is attack trump and attack Trump enablers.
This is a great win though. Provided to us largely by Trump.
Who takes MSNBC seriously?
Who takes Fox seriously?
CNN is the last one with a shred of neutrality and Trump is driving them to expose themselves as the leftists they are.
Someone quotes CNN? "oh that lefty rag, of course they would say that".
That would destroy their influence and power if that response became believable.
Of course people already say this about them, but it has no real sway. As it stands now it reflects worse on the person criticizing CNN than it does CNN's reputation.
But do left wingers ever quote MSNBC to anyone other than their already committed lefty buddies?
No. They already know, AND BELIEVE, their news is coming from a biased outlet and they will be laughed of by right wingers. (and vice versa for Fox and right wingers)
These blows could put CNN in the same spot Fox and MSNBC are in.