Which Christian denomination is correct? Fedorafags need not apply

>>132543081
Read your Bible and determine it for yourself divider.

>>132543081
nondenominational

>>132543081
Islam

>>132543081
All of them, and they should unite before it's too late.

>>132543081
Raptor

Not christian, but I'd go with some orthodox branch, they gots it going on - especially in Russia.

None. All religions are false.

>Fedorafags need not apply

Religious people hate atheists more than they hate other religious people. It's because religious people find atheists threatening. Religious people have all these deeply-held beliefs that go so far as to govern their daily behavior, then someone comes along and says, "You know, those ancient stories aren't true." It pisses them off.

But the truth is those old stories aren't true. No religions are true. Religions were beneficial in the past because they advanced civilizations and brought people closer together. Your religion used to like... bring you closer to your neighbors, who shared your beliefs and your ethnic background.

There's no point in believing in these old tales anymore. They're no longer beneficial.

Which one puts on the best show... could be any one of them. Why don't you just live Jesus did and not be a church fag

>>132543081
Baptists.

None that I know of seek direct communication and answers directly from God but rather from the bible.

However, if I were to choose to go to one I'd go to a vineyard church.

>>132543658

Have fun worshipping oil and Jesus beating up the dinosaurs.

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>denomination
>correct
"God" is a magical sky father that grants only the fairest of wishes to the fat lot of devoted kine.

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>>132543616
>this will trigger the christcuck
>christcucks will post fedora memes because arguments are overrated

>>132543616
No, not because they're threatening, but because they pollute every kind of religious dialogue with semi-rhetorical """argument""" not based on any philosophical meaning.
They come in our thread simply to express their rebellion. This is what we hate so much.

>>132543616
this is factually untrue.
religious people do not hate atheists, in fact it would be a lot of fun to get into more conversations but the fact is that atheists mostly attempt to skirt any real conversation by hiding behind lil factoids they barely understand.

also the inherent sense of superiority one feels by rejecting G/d is itself something worth looking into. You'd imagine that if atheist were just the "absence of belief" then the philosophical body armour required to maintain the position would hardly be necessary.

in short, it's only because you refuse to have any sense of criticism of your own viewpoint that you can't be included in the discussion.

fyi: Swedenborg is pretty interesting

>>132543081
The strength of your arm, mind, and fellow man.

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>>132543081
All of them are kike shit

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>>132543081
>Which Christian denomination is correct?
why don't you all just agree to get along and finally murder those jews who you all hate so much?
and the muslims too?
>Fedorafags need not apply
what is a "fedorafag"?
is that someone you kill in a fit of religious rage?

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all true believers in Christ regardless of denomination

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>>132543081

>Top tier

The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

>Acceptable tier

Orthodoxy

>shit tier

everything else

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>>132543081

I don't know if there is necessarily a 'correct denomination' perhaps that would be a great symbolism of the fall of man that even mans efforts in the Church cannot create the perfect denomination. I'd say anything trinitarian is good enough and will have you saved, except maybe some of the ultra liberal churches. Personally I find most of the basis for evangelical theology to be most convincing but I really don't like the evangelical worship style.

>>132543958

Nah, I'm right. Religious people find atheists threatening because they come along and say, "Those old stories aren't true."

They would rather someone be a different religion and say, "MY ancient old stories are true," because then that person is buying into the same bullshit way of thinking.

When someone comes along and just says, "You're wrong" it pisses them off. It's the truth, I've seen studies done on it. Religious people rate atheists lower than Muslims even. They would rather someone be a Muslim than an atheist.

They hate hearing the truth: those old stories aren't true. They don't even make any sense according to a person's logic and common sense. Can a man return from the dead? No. You wouldn't normally believe that. It'd set off your logic and common sense.

None of the shit you guys believe is fucking true, nor does it even fit within your own logic and common sense.

Whichever one actually promotes goodness in the world.

It changes depending on who's living.

Denomination doesn't matter as long as you follow the word of God, stop fighting you stupid niggers
/thread

>>132543081
Just use the same garbage tier logic used to prove god is real.

Part of my church teaching is that it is the most perfect.
For it to be the most perfect it must be correct.

So it is correct because to be the most perfect it must be correct!

Orthodoxy

Iesous Xristos Nika

>>132543834
>>132543923
God is a concept derived of the union of all divine essences of the Holy Trinity, unlike Allah or Yaweh. He is the platonician personnification of Perfection in Christian dogma, nothing more, meaning that most stoics from ancient eras would have agreed with Christian doctrines. For example, God is divisible, meaning there is a lot more flexibility for the ensemble of abilities, like omniscience omnipotence and all-lovingness, per essences (like the Son, the Holy Ghost or the Father) than for Allah, which logically can't be all of those at the same times without entering in conflict with itself, WHICH again would be a total paradox for a perfect being.
If God the Father IS a sky daddy, then He's right to, seeing how you're all acting like a bunch of edgy teenagers rebelling for no apparent reasons.

>>132543616
Sort yourself, bucko.

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>>132544517

>2000 years of Christianity
>centuries of philosophical arguments
>threatened by the """""argument""""" that 'those old stories aren't true'
>this is what fedorafags actually believe

>>132544517
>Can a man return from the dead?
yes

>>132543081
they all worship the same jewish magician so it doesn't really matter

>>132543234
This. They need to all become Catholic or katholic. Not Roman Catholic but katholic which is Greek for "universal."

Christians need to become the Catholic Church (Universal Church) before they are split apart into obscurity.

>>132544716
Your God is not omniscient. You can hide things from him if you know what you're doing. And despite his followers claiming omnipotence, he imposes harsh limitations on his own power.
He is clever though. More clever than any mortal or supercomputer. If you try to outgambit him, you can only run a scheme against him for so long. He likes to split the differences and hedge his bets. He might try to coerce people but I find he stays his hand in all cases but the most dire.

God's wisdom and love is not revealed on paper or stone. It is engraved onto your soul. The person who beliefs himself an atheists but honors love, honesty, kindness and peace deserves a place in heaven. The "religious" person who spreads hate does not.

>>132543081
Being an ironic christian is the only correct way of being christian

As the only Calvinist on this board, I beg you to find your place among God's irresistible grace

>>132545238
t. pope

>>132545281
>I beg you to find your place among God's irresistible grace

If calvinists are right don't I not have a choice in the matter?

>>132545007
perfect

>>132545238
This, kraut.
God is the idea that some transcendant value exists externally to you and you should strive to instatiate it. Extolling the flaws of others while failing to improve yourself is the road to hell on earth in your life and in the lives of others.

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>>132543081
>Christians think they are the one true religion and everyone else will go to hell
>but can't decide which denomination will actually get you into heaven

>>132545238
t. bergoglio

origen alexandria 200s = best of greek philosophy + best of christian message

>>132543081
>Nestorian
>St Thomas ftw

>>132543081
The one that shuts the fuck up the most. Matthew 6:5, lads

>>132543616
Destabilizing one of the West's institutions will cause nothing but disaster. The populace is too stupid to act in an ethical manner without Jesus telling them what is wrong or that he loves them. More importantly on a personal level, stop bashing Christianity, I will not be able to afford any of the shit I have acquired without peddling statues, medals, rosaries and etc. if religion dies.
What am I going to sell if the entire West turns atheistic? Science books? Calculators? Dyson Vacuum cleaners?

>>132545621
t. Jordan Peterson

>>132544517
I'm not saying that.
Any sane christian will act more like a sceptic against your beliefs, but only because his faith is not only engraved in his cultural traditions but because some other religious doctrines are incompatible with it.
Let's look at Judaism and Christianity, or Islam and Buddhism. All of them are in complete opposition on fundamental questions which are obviously epistemologic problematics, unsolvable since we lack the capacity to answer such questions per our own mortality and finitude. Platonician was the closest we got to some indication that we were on the right path, so we in the West took it; hence why we utterly despise Jews and Muslims, because the very essence of their Godhead, indivisible AND perfect, makes it incompatible with a platonical spiritual hierarchy. However, we haven't lost any affinity with Buddhists, hindus or any other religion which ARE STILL compatible with platonician ideology.
Sure, you can say I'm wrong. I'll respect that. However, most of you atheist say I'm wrong and add no substantial evidence to that evidence whatsoever, or some so vague, like the explanation for the cycle of consciousness and the universe
>The Universe, just like the consciousness, was born from nothing and will go into nothing at its end.
In that statement, you're implying that: A)There was a beginning and will be an end, and B) That the Universe came from nothing.
Both are inherently false. Just because something existed before time doesn't mean we can relegate it to the rank of nothingness. Beside, by DEFINITION, nothingness is quite literally impossible (Read Parmenide's work for more info). Therefore, we assume that there was a mover that pushed the balanced "everything" from which the Universe sprung forth into the hierarchal mathematical supra-formula which we see in action everyday.
And who could that mover be but God, existing beyond Time and Physical Essence?
>>132545151
The Son limits the Godhead's influence on this world.

>>132545445
you do have a choice. lack of free will =/= God's omnipotence in all matters. Educate yourself before speaking on subject you are not versed in, New Chinaman.

>>132545281
But that is already predetermined.

>>132545660
This is what Protestanism and Orthodoxy have done to Christianity. Isn't it pitiful?

>>132543081
Eastern Orthodox.

>>132543081
fundamentalist primitive sabbath-keeping Christianity

Their readings of the scriptures are unparalleled in their diligence and their sermons are powerful -- the SDA church is currently in the midst of a civil war as Jesuit saboteurs have infiltrated & tainted various churches (they openly brag about it).

Catholics rely on human customs & traditions backed up by biased historical sources, human decrees, and rely on political force to exert their will -- the history of the Catholic Church is one of Satanic abuse. Vatican tampered with the Law, in their Catechism they (removed the 2nd commandment, altered the 4th, and split the 10th to preserve the #), they changed the dates & times, and instituted Pagan festivals, use idols, use false intercessors like Saints & Mary, when Jesus alone is the Way to the Father, and they're even presumptuous enough to claim the authority to forgive sins. "Peter being the Rock & having the keys" isn't a justification for Papal hierarchical arrangement whatsoever -- read the books written by Peter, he never in anyway condones this heresy that we see today. Upon the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, the Church was small, far-flung, and fragile, Peter was raised up to clarify and give context to the example laid by Christ to the early church -- so yes, the "church was built on the rock of Peter" which is to say, his inspired teachings & clarifications -- not the man or any man -- Jesus is the foundation on which we must place our faith.
Orthodox have many of the same problems as Catholicism.
Faggot-sects of "Protestantism" have lost their balls and are no longer standing up against the seat of the Antichrist power which is Popery and 99% still Sunday worship. Although the early Reformers didn't agree on much, they got the ball rolling and agreed that Papacy was illegitimate.

Remnant church of the end times spoke about in Daniel & Rev
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF170B126002E7CB0

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>>132546029
Counter-point:

Holy Roman Catholic

>>132545999
predetermined by God, you still have the free will to make a choice into accepting Him as your Lord and Savior or not to.

>>132546106
A funny way to call someone heretic

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>>132546106
This

>>132545968

>Educate yourself before speaking on subject you are not versed in, New Chinaman.

>Educate yourself

Hmmmmmm who normally says that sort of thing. Calm down, it was a legitimate question.

>>132543153
You mean read your Latin Bible and determine for yourself

>>132543081

the one that doesnt have jesus in it.

>>132546189
Says the denomination that are angered of an image of God/Jesus just like that Islamics are by a pic of Muhammad.

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>>132543081
Gnosticism

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>>132546162
>predestined to go to Hell
>accept God as Lord and Savior
>get sent to Hell anyways

I grew up Episcopalian an it seemed the least strict imo. I don't really know what to believe these days tho

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>>132546385
Filthy heathen

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>>132543081
The one where you shut the hell up and actually start doing something to save europe?

>>132543081
You only have two choices. There are pros and cons to each.

>Catholic
+ Latin Mass
+ History, philosophy, art, mysticism
- Gay orgies
- Slowly being corrupted by liberalism

>Orthodox
+ Divine Mass
+ Theoria, mysticism, the Philokalia
- if you aren't Slav, you're larping
- is a Russian mafia money laundering scheme

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>>132546029

>>132546210
and I answered in a legitimate manner. Don't nail me to the cross for the excess banter

>>132546433
If you accept God, then were never predetermined to go to hell.

>>132543081
Lutheranism, >this is not questionable<
Christianity and Orthodox are ok.
Evangelicals, Protestants and Catholics are fucking cancer.

>>132546380
No, I don't label myself as any denomination. Denominations are literally a circlejerks, true believers doesn't give a shit about them and lives as word of God says. But you are a cathocuck so everyone is protestant for you, amirite? xD

>>132546433
a logically false hypothetical.

If A, then not B, so C.
B, so C.

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>>132546576

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>>132546614
>No, I don't label myself as any denomination
>Denominations are literally a circlejerks
>true believers doesn't give a shit about them and lives as word of God says

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>>132543616
>brought people closer together
>bring you closer to your neighbors, who shared your beliefs and your ethnic background
>They're no longer beneficial.
Hmm...

>>132545957
Cont
The Son is all-loving, but not in the same sense as the Godhead or Father. The Godhead would love you as both a Lord and a Father would; he'd beat the guys fucking with his children and give hem everything they want, and who does that remind you of? the "vengeful" spirit of God we see in the Old Testament. In those times, he was unrestrained.\
Jesus came in. Jesus was human, and wanted to see us grow, unlike the Father. Giving us whatever we wanted would not work, he had seen it; so instead, he took in a more passive approach, to the point where he clearly abstained his wrath when his own Son died on the Golgotha.
The Holy Spirit, if you don't know, not only conceived Jesus so that It may itself be born into the hearts of Men, in the real world, but is also the spiritual link we have to the Son and the Father, and hence the Holy Trinity as a whole.
TL;DR : God is Perfection, in all aspects : Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Love. He is restrained, however, by his own essences, so that Man can finally strive for those same virtues and ascend "to heaven" with him.
All praise Christ and the Holy Trinity of God.

>>132543081
Catholicism was founded by the Apostles of Jesus Christ and the church was made only because Jesus told them to make it.

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>>132546435
Try reading the VALIS trilogy:
VALIS, the divine Invasion, transmigration of Timothy Archer
Last one is about your church.
>>132546474
>pic related
Have a nice day Nu-Christian

>>132546614
I am a Catholic, yes, but we've become split. Sorry for the anger, but I hate to see us so divided. We need to become once again the katholic church, the universal church, not Roman Catholic, not Eastern Orthodox, not Protestant, not whatever the hell else there is, just katholic, universal. God's children.

>>132546742
>says the spell and waffle turns into body of Christ
>prays to Mary and dead people
>manipulated the Bible in his favour
>approves pedophilia
>worshipps icons
etc etc.

Honestly? The two-by-twos.
They adhere the closest to the what Jesus teaches within the bible. They don't have a physical church building but instead have bible studies in homes and use school halls for gospel services.

>>132543081
the mystics who actually realize that everything in the bible is a metaphor

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>>132546988
AKA - Gnosticism

>>132543081
no denomination correct, only jesus correct all the time

>>132546576
Does that mean my acceptance or rejection of God is predestined as well? Calvinism is such a logical clusterfuck. Where exactly does free will come into play?

>>132546695
Sounds like you're suggesting that all people who accept God are saved, correct? That's an incredibly anti-Calvinist stance.

>>132547208
My mistake - not that all who accept God are saved, but acceptance of God can earn entrance into Heaven. That's what I meant.

>>132543081
If you even have to ask this question then the answer is none.

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For the non believers, review this image and find the light for He guides us through the Holy Spirit to salvation.

>>132547208
Anon, accepting God as a big impact on your life, and from the moment you make that ultimate choice everything is predestined; for if you accept the truth of God, then how can you remotely do anything evil in nature, except in total ignorance of circumstances? How can you even try to commit one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
On the other hand, what compass guides you without God? How will you differentiate good and evil, and what values would virtues have on such a man?
This is what accepting God, basically, means.

>>132547208
>Calvinism is such a logical clusterfuck. Where exactly does free will come into play?

There is no free will in calvinism.

>>132547208
>not that all who accept God are saved, but acceptance of God can earn entrance into Heaven. That's what I meant.

All people who accept God are saved, but everyone is destined to accept God.

>>132543081
If you pick one denomination of Protestantism and then look at what makes it different than the other denominations, and then study the history of their claims back to their beginning, and then the history of the claims of the next, and the next, and so on...

You will eventually find the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church was founded in Jerusalem circa 33 AD and has spread throughout the world.

Note that I consider the Roman Church to be perfectly fine.

It is a rather lengthy study to get to the bottom of it.

>>132547389
Sure, I don't wish everyone a nice day.
Though the churches were so salty that they started killing.
Luckily today, In western society, not so much.
>But Jesus was not about book(s), Creeds {like the Nicene one, wtf seriously?}.

speaking generally:
You need to sort yourself out, book(s) can help, but it's just a dead thing, a book, nothing more. It's all on you, not Jesus, not YAWEH not god, YOU!

have you fags ever heard of the church of the east? not the orthodox Church of eastern Europe, but the real church of the east?

>>132544182
>>132544182
Can i be a ironic egyptian paganist?

Catholicism. It is, after all, the denomination Jesus Christ himself set up

>>132547289
your premise was false, I AM suggesting that all who accept God are saved. If you are a true believer, the Lord does not abandon his flock.

I believe that God's grace is irresistible. To "unbelieve" in God and the sacrifice means to deny (I assume your question is pointed toward those who fake-believe or left the Church). It is for this very reason that I believe Pinochet, even though in his final months, was compelled by the testimony and scripture and accepted the Lord, accepted his nature and realized the sacrifice made for the weight of his sins (whereas Catholicism and other Legalist denominations require and demand countless rules and repeat repentance) and now awaits in heaven, despite all his atrocities.

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>>132543081
Judaism. Become one of the chosen people.

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>>132548081
>He doesn't know the Zadokite fragments
>let alone the Dead sea scrolls
>Oh and nm the understanding of the hackery of the creeds

chalcedonian

>>132547750
there is free will in calvinism. I'm tired of grouped responses like this when any and all doctrine refers to predestination based on God's omnipotence and not on humans being robots. Please refrain from taking the easy route by strawman, there are actual confused users here who seek answers and comfort with God.l

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I'm trying to follow Byzantine traditional Christianity
I'm also trying to follow the Khans law

It's all very boring once you realize genetic memory

>>132545957

Personally, I don't care about the origin or cycle of the universe.

Its origin is billions of years ago. Who cares how it happened? How does it matter?

>>132546777

But none of that stuff is true. There is no such thing as God, and Jesus was just an ordinary man, if he even existed at all.

>"Love"

It cracks me up when Christians talk about their God and "love"... like do they even read their own Bible? One of the first stories is God commanding Abraham to kill Isaac. Even if he called it off at the last second it's still terrible immoral for him to have commanded such an action and instilled fear in Isaac. Another story is God tries to drown all of humankind and so Noah makes an ark.

Not only are these stories untrue but they don't even portray God in the way Christians claim; that He's some "all-loving" benevolent entity. He killed people in the Bible. He commanded horrible things be done.

It's very lonely in Gods realm
I always have to dumb myself so retarded that I return to the material world

It's all very obvious and boring.
Godliness is an overwhelming feeling of "of course"

>>132547750
>There is no free will in calvinism
That's what I thought. In that case, what the fuck does "accepting" God even mean? Acceptance sounds active, as in an act of free will by the individual. I don't see how one can accept God without the free will to make the decision to accept or reject.

>>132547714
To reiterate what I said above, acceptance implies some sort of decision or judgement that requires the agency of free will. I don't see how you could "accept" anything without having free will, which Calvinists claim one does not.

>>132548202
>the Lord does not abandon his flock
Who exactly constitutes his flock? The people who accept him? Doesn't the require the existence of free will? Or is his flock composed of the people he predestined to join him in Heaven? I'm no scholar in Calvinism, but what you're saying doesn't sound Calvinist in the slightest.

Can one gain entrance into the flock by accepting God?

>>132548408
Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant are all Chalcedonian. Since the schism it's not really an option to be "just Chalcedonian".

>>132549049
found the sad daemonposter

>>132543081
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth
none technically, but jesus did say to congregate with other worshipers, So don't use that as an excuse to avoid going to church

ignore that larping catholic fuck who comes in every thread

>>132546747
>implying Christianity isn't the main reason thousands of Americans willingly give billions to Israel annually

Who's really the Jew now? All religion is a Jewish trick, and that includes atheism. Monotheism is the way to go.

>>132548767
How does genetic memory work when we can theoretically revive people (granted you're implying reincarnation )

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>>132549565
So I'll do a quick run down

Epigenetics, environment literally affects your genetics
Shape your environment and literally envolve
>evolutionary theory is very wrong about the rate of evolution

So your pops learns
Memories are physical carvings in the brain, regardless how small
To hold a memory, the cells must maintain form
To maintain form, the genetics literally have to change
>new blueprint
Cell goes into meiosis and seals the epigentic deal, because these chromosomes will no longer be dividing.
>your fathers memories are carved into your brain

You then become the flame keeper of your genetics
refining them until you enter a "fake environment" that no longer has precise data for your higher brain(God) to calculate.

The fact is, many refuse to believe they can become better than the father
It hurts because it's admitting the father is now weak, and it's your fault because you became better
I think that could be relevant when raised without a biological father/ideology

Either way any reincarnation will be a retarded person in today's standards.

>>132548812
>It cracks me up when Christians talk about their God and "love"... like do they even read their own Bible? One of the first stories is God commanding Abraham to kill Isaac.
Yeah that's the domineering Godhead that wanted Abraham to prove his loryalty and his sons to Him. As I said before, the love of the God is one of a Lord; and therefore, it had to be earned. Hence, Abraham and the sacrifice that almost was.
>Not only are these stories untrue but they don't even portray God in the way Christians claim; that He's some "all-loving" benevolent entity. He killed people in the Bible. He commanded horrible things be done.
Always in defense of the people he had chosen, and of his own creation. Pharaoh refused categorically, even after all of those disasters, to let the Jews go. He flooded the Earth because it was filled with Men whose hearts went black, and the banishment of Satan itself was caused because it could have created a schism in heavens that could have ruined the Eden.
But, mind you, Jesus came along afterward, and ascended to be a part of the Holy Trinity. since then, no massive murders of first born, no rain of fire, no flaming sword, the sky that had darkened over most of the region (with no eclipse predicted for that time) and an earthquake that """luckily""" only gravely affected the Golgotha. It's almost as if the Son was Temperance itself on the Godhead. As if the Holy Trinity incomplete was imperfect. Really makes you think.
Look it up, even the Romans recorded it.
>Its origin is billions of years ago. Who cares how it happened? How does it matter?
Because it could eventually lead us to our final destination, in revealing its origins. Even if my soul goes to either Heaven or Hell, I'm curious of where the particles of my body and the rest of the Universe will be heading after I'm dead.
>>132549095
I'm not well versed in Calvinist theology, unfortunately, so I cannot answer that question, though it has piqued my interest

>>132549156
What's that

>>132549095
both, free will and predestination are not mutually exclusive

The lord does not abandon his flock is a representation of the perserverence of the saints, one of the main points in calvinist doctrine

You are eternally secure if you are a true believer

John 10:27-28 where Jesus said His sheep will never perish; John 6:47 where salvation is described as everlasting life; Romans 8:1 where it is said we have passed out of judgment; 1 Corinthians 10:13 where God promises to never let us be tempted beyond what we can handle; and Phil. 1:6 where God is the one being faithful to perfect us until the day of Jesus’ return.

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>>132544716
>Holy Trinity.

>Trinity.

I've ready enough to call this comment bullshit.

>>132549095
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John Calvin believed that man “acts wickedly by will, not by compulsion.”

Calvinists believe in free will.

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>>132543081
Anarchocommunist Christian.

>>132543081
yes god goyim turn the other cheek

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>>132553621
shut up you fucking kike

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Doesn't matter. Religion is only a useful way to guide and instill morals and a sense of community in the common people. Whichever religion has historically had the most impact on your people and national historiography should be followed, it's teachings and clergy gently adapted to fit with the the greater good of the nation.

>>132554154
so, will that mean your ancestors should rightly follow Islam after this century?

>>132554534
I'm assuming you mean my descendants: no, because Islam is merely the religion of outsiders colonising us, there is little to no conversion of natives, and even if there was, France's position in the Christian world, it's history as the eldest daughter of the Church, far outweighs any influence Islam could have in the future. Our roots are in the Frankish invaders that converted to better rule the Christian Gallo-Roman natives, and as such France can only exist as a Christian nation. Millenias of Christian history cannot be wiped out by a few decades of islamic invasion.

We've been doing what I am talking about pretty much forever, too: gallicanism was a very real thing, and the king of France had about as much power as the Pope over the French clergy.