Russians

>>132524477

Source:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/stalin-tops-putin-russian-poll-greatest-historical-figures-110751136.html

>>132524477
It wasn't "greatest," it was "most notable"

Fake news

>>132524564

You're wrong. See:

>>132524562

>>132524564
Bullshit

It was about "most remarkable"/"outstanding" in positive sense

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>>132524477
>Explain this.
It's Russia.

Russians respect people who mass murder them

Youth love Hitler
Elders love Stalin

>>132525009

Thisbump.

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>>132524757
>>132525009
Teach me Russian pls

>>132525364

Eminent =/= notable

>>132525109
This. The more you oppress them, the more they love you. Like wild beasts, russians only understand power.

>>132526191
>Like wild beasts, russians only understand power.

That is an interesting observation.

>>132526191
>Like wild beasts, russians only understand power.
To the contrary. Westerners do NOT understand power, which is why they're cucked all the time. Russians understand power AND society, unlike yourselves.
>projecting this much

>>132524477
The Russians are a defeated people, this is not something new. Given freedom they will wage war against each-other until their complete destruction. It's why they begged Vikings to rule over them, and it's why they like totalitarians. These people don't react well to democracy, they are almost repulsed by it and understand, prefer, sheer brute force over it. Russia is might makes right on an intercontinental scale.

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>>132524477
Oтвpaтитeльнo, блять.

>>132528745
>t.fake gypsy
Yeah okay there Albania.

>>132524477
Peter the Great tops both.

>>132524477
>greatest historical figures
>historical

Putin isn't history yet.

>>132530426
Was about to say this, but how is Putin considered historical figure this early? And what about Medvedev?

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>>132531217
soon

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>>132524477
I'm sorry we're not as cucked as Germany to hate ourselves.
Everything Russia does is always righteous.

>>132524477
he won ww2
pretty simple desu

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>>132526191
I think they loved "liberation" of Germany.
In the previous thread, some anons also believe that he turn an agrarian country to an industrial power and after WWII became a superpower and with nukes. i'm going to link here the previous thread in archive and some insightful post of a Russian anon.

>Stalin in Russia is increasingly portrayed not as the murderous architect of the Gulag, forced collectivization, mass starvation and political purges that claimed millions of his citizens' lives,

>but as the steely architect of the Soviet victory in World War II — called the Great Patriotic War here.

http://archive.is/d9mKi

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>>132533656
what makes you think that?

Fake news its from yahoo that like using buzzfeed

>>132534170
Exactly my man

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Previous thread:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131409536/#131419101

USA anon
>To understand how Russian peasants were before Stalin, read Turgenev. >>131410019 is basically correct. The peasants went from living a middle ages life to modernity in the span of 30 years, from living on dirt floors to an apartment and manufactured textiles and a factory job and other minor luxuries.

Russian anon
>let me guess. because he inherited a shrunken backwards agrarian backwater and left a nuclear armed industrial powerhouse sprawling from elbe river to manchuria?

>>132524477
I thought Russians are redpilled.

>>132525563
literally gives translations as man of note/notable

>>132536811

In comparison to EU countries, Yes.

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The Man of Steel can do no wrong

>>132536811
stalin was redpilled

killed all jews in the government
sent gays to gulags
starved ukrainian apes to death
wiped other cultures that werent soviet and tried to replace non whites with russians.
forced cyrillic alphabet on everyone and the russian language.

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>>132538431
This
He also killed (((Trotsky)))

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russians are subhuman chinks

>>132533656
Who the fuck is that guy?

>>132538836
this place serves 2 purposes
1. its a playground for children or gopniks
2. during winter if it floods it can be used as a ice-hockey rink
soviet ingenuity 10/10

>>132538836
who flooded Bloc? someone is getting 360 quickscoped

>>132538431
>killed all jews in the government
Not many know this. It was long and silent war.
>sent gays to gulags
I would say he sent rats and snakes to gulags. Snakes and rats who weren't in gulags was sitting in a corner of a room afraid to even raise their head up. At the same time many good people went under hammer too...
>starved ukrainian apes to death
bullshit
>wiped other cultures that werent soviet and tried to replace non whites with russians
As a latvian, our culture had literally golden ages under USSR.

>>132524477
I would unironically like Stalin if he wasn't a communist faggot
The only reason it worked for Russia for a while is because of their massive amount of natural ressources

>>132538531
who?

>>132541132
Stalin killed 'real communism' (Marxism/Trotskyism)
You should love him

>>132541716
>who is Trotsky
>American education

>>132541132
And because Stalinism is like shitty fascism

>>132524477
Russia is stallin', no longer puttin' any effort into it

tbqh I would vote Stalin too. Can't help but admire and respect his hunger for power and ability to attain it from such a shitty background.

>>132524477
>Peter the Great isn't #1
Stalin and Putin did alright, but c'mon Peter is the only reason Russia ever became anything relevant in the first place.

>>132542150
Stalin did a lot more for his country than Shitler

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>>132524477
Russians are primitive retards.

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>>132524477
Reminder capitalism is a Jewish invention

Reminder communism saved Russia from jew intelligentsia and made it a superpower

Reminder Americans are retarded.
Their government is controlled by he federal reserve and other Jewish hedge funds.

Meanwhile they larp as heil Hitler stormcucks...

Just stfu and kys

>>132541716
Lev Davidovich BRONSTEIN, zionist rat, who failed to succeed his role in great zionist social engineering project called USSR.

>>132542416
I just can't see rating ANY figure over Peter in terms of overall success for Russia.

Stalin took communism and turned it into crypto-Fascism with commie policing elements. Which is alright.
But Peter took a bunch of shitty retarded slavs and made them a real Imperial power with a semi-developed culture and basically defined what a "Russian" is in the modern sense.

Looks like russians (mongols) love to be treated like shit. I wish for another Stalin so he would kill another 20 millions of those animals.

>>132542769
Based Greece
Too bad most /pol/acks only want to LARP as jerrycucks

>>132542955
kill yourself pshek

>>132540872
Implying u had culture before Russia u fucking fishing shprot village

>>132524477

Uh, he did more? Gorbachev would be a better pick than Putin, too.

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>>132543051
Not an argument

>>132542769
>saving you from the jews by jewing you even harder
yeaaaahhhh, no
Its well documented that Communism is a jewish invention and ultimately leads to a ideal zionist regime with them on top as "the party"

Stalin rebelled against Leninism/Communism and created a hybrid system referred to Stalinism. But nice try.

>>132542979
What's Jerry cuck

>overlooking the achievements of the soviet state under Stalin

older generation in Russia received some of the best education in the history of the education system, they can still juggle their brains

>>132543192
not really, Putin saved them from perestroika.(the collapse in the 90's) Gorbachev didn't do anything so successful in comparison.

>>132524477
>Abraham Lincoln caused a tyrannic war that forever annihalated states rights and killed 500,000 people
>Napoleon took over Europe and left millions dead
>Oliver Cromwell was a genocidal tyrant and revolutionary

All are revered and have statues.
Stalin saved the Russian people from a war of annihilation. Led them to becoming a world superpower. Morality doesn't come into play in the Great Game.

>>132543192
Gorbachev is a fucking traitor and he was more than certainly working for the CIA

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>>132542926
Spain was a fascist state until the 80s, and the average spsniard is ticher than average american german austrian swede etc..

>>132543192
>Gorbachev
>a CIA agent
lol no he killed SU

>>132543219
I'm not hohol

>>132543335
naziboo, stormcuck

>>132543405
This
https://youtu.be/3naB34z4OKc
Educaton is very important, now in Russia it is shit

>>132543781
Agree

russian haven't solved their boomer problem.

>>132543724
Italy was fasvist, japan fascist, germany fascist, austria fascist all the people live better than jewish murderous barbarism known as communism.

>>132543073
Yes we had our culture before USSR. Why getting personal? Are you immature or something?

>>132525364
Russian would be a lot easier if you didn't use that wacky flim flam alphabet

>>132524477
Stalin almost single handedly won WW2 and purged jews. Putin is a great leader, but not at that scale.

>>132524477
can't top a leader whose name is 'joe steel'

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>>132524477
>Explain this.
Russians like tsars who kills them most. If Putin executes 50 millions he would topple Stalin. Death wish is Russian slave soul.

>>132544490
Latvia is no country and can't have culture by definition.

>>132537562

Sorry we're not as "red-pilled" as you. We'll try to catch up by lowering our life expectancies, education and employment rates, birth rates, and making the rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, and ISLAM soar.

Maybe then we'll be red-pilled like you Russia-niggers.

>>132544540
kys the alphabet is actually not hard at all
The rest of it is though kek

>>132524477
Stalin was actually based. He removed the Jews from the head of the communist party : the politburo was full of Jews in 1923 (Lenine, Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin ...). In 1939, the last jew left in the politburo was Kaganovitch. He removed the Jew Yagoda from the head of the NKVD and put Beria (non Jew) in his place. He murdered the head of the Jewish international revolution, Trotsky, and replaced the Jewish concept of internationalism with the European concept of nationalism.
No wonder the Russians love him. They know better than brainwashed westerners.

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>>132544966
>RUSSIA IS A FAKE MEME COUNTRY AND YOUR PUTIN IS A CLOWN!!

Putin showed Oliver Stone a video where Russia's Air Force supposedly attacked terrorists in Syria. It was actually footage of Americans fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan

In Oliver Stone’s Showtime special “The Putin Interviews,” there is a scene where the Russian president shows Stone a video on an iPhone supposedly depicting “our aviation at work” in Syria, Putin says.
It turns out that Putin actually showed Stone footage of an American Apache helicopter attacking Taliban forces in Afghanistan. The original video first appeared on the website Military.com in 2013.
Further complicating things, the video Putin showed Stone also contains an added audio track where the pilots are speaking Russian. Strangely, it seems this may actually chatter be recorded between Ukrainian pilots conducting military operations over Donetsk.
On YouTube, there is a copy of the American video with pilot chatter in Russian. It’s possible that this was the video Putin showed to Oliver Stone.

Researchers from the Conflict Intelligence Team compared the video played for Stone to frames from the footage of the U.S. Apache helicopter in Afghanistan, and found that they’re a perfect match.

Footage of "Russian helicopter bombing ISIS" shown to Oliver Stone by Putin appears to be taken from 2013 US Afghan video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34AoHqsx1yk

>>132544966
Agree that we are no country and can't function as a country.
But why we can't have our culture? Please explain.

>>132524477
Russians have always been ruled by authoritarian foreigners (Swedes, than Mongols, then the German-Austrian royals, then Stalin). The English word "slave" presumably stems from the word Slav, it's their culture and mentality. They're a nation bred to submit.

>>132545155
>We'll try to catch up by lowering our life expectancies,.....

It seems so

>>132524477
The man single-handedly saved Russia from the Jews.

He averted a massive, endless genocide by delivering an icepick to Trotsky's brain cavity.

>>132545325
Too bad he divided Russian Empire into national minorities """republics""" and laid done its inevitable division into 15 countries (well what else may one expect form hachick?)

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>>132542955
>I wish for another Stalin so he would kill another 20 millions of those animals.
Westerners, goddammit, everytime

>>132545863
I believe he was kind of an ethnic nationalist. That's why he encouraged every people of the USSR to have its own culture, even with centralized economy and administration.

>>132545325
Stalin is probably my favorite commie, but come on. He was surrounded by jews until the end. I actually subscribe to the theory that he was killed with warfarin by Beria to prevent him from launching a genocide against Eastern European jewry (well, what was left at the time) using the four massive labour complexes he started building at the end of the 1940's. Also, if Beria wasn't a sniveling jew, he certainly had all those shekel grabbing merchant traits.

>>132545863
He didn't forsee the fall of the SU tbf
The internal borders were never meant to be used for newly independent countries

>>132542196
>German humour

>>132545924

Putin is doing that in Russia now:

22 million Russians are living below the poverty line

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>>132545847
>The man single-handedly saved Russia from the Jews.
>He averted a massive, endless genocide by delivering an icepick to Trotsky's brain cavity.

>>132524477
Stalin is clearly one of the most notable people in Russian history. Putin is current day.

saged

>>132544540
>burger education

Could it be because Putin is not historical?

>>132546270
Beria was apparently going to be purged right before Stalin died
Lucky, huh

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>>132546270
>He was surrounded by jews until the end
I don't think so. I don't know any Jew he was with until the end except Kaganovitch.
Also Beria is probably one of the most successful Jew remover in history.

>>132546635
Putin still came second which is very good considering everything

>>132543781
>>132543662
>>132543449

History!

All Russians are descendants of bootlicker scum. All the russians with a spine died in '38 or in gulags afterwards.

>>132546488
But that's exactly what (((Permanent Revolution))) was going to be.

That's the centerpiece of his mad kike ideology.

>>132528745
excellent insight turkish rape baby

The people whom'st didn't care for Stalin didn't reproduce much because kill.

>>132524477
I do recall "name of Russia" from like 7 years ago when you could vote as much as you wanted so some antifa website organized its neckbeards to zerg vote for georgian faggot. Probably same thing.

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>>132538431
>killed all jews in the government
in my country there is problem

>>132546673
Sorry, it's been a few years since I last read in to Stalin. His life was one of my favorite topics when I was young, idiotic edgy commie teen. I do remember that I never liked anything about Beria. I have a first edition of 20 Letters to a Friend, the memoir Stalin's daughter wrote, and it always stood out to me the scene where Stalin was in a coma and Beria was barking orders getting ready to take the reins of the USSR and Stalin's eyes momentarily fluttered open and when he noticed that Beria sunk to his knees and started to wail in faked grief while kissing Stalin's hand. Perhaps it's just a general distaste of the man himself. Any idea where someone with a decent enough base of knowledge on Stalin's life could pick up the subject again to see Beria's
Jew removal in action? Perhaps I'll change my opinion after all these years.
>>132546641
Yeah, it was a habit of Stalin to not keep an NKVD head around for more than a decade. How coincidental, right? I mean, it's not like the head of the NKVD would be able to set up a covert assassination.

>>132546762
there are in fact rumors that some foreign Agencies had leverage on him, still debated by historians

>>132545661
Very misleading.
Swedes, than Mongols, then the German-Austrian royals, then Stalin isn't always.
And word slave may have come from a word Slav because big part of slaves in modern Turkey and middle east territory at that time came from territory nowadays Poland, Ukraine and Russia. Why? Tatars. Heard of an old notourious city and center of slave trade Kefe, now Feodosia?

>>132524477

1. Oligarchs own minority stakes in all the public relations & polling companies in Russia
2. Russian GRU/SBR review all polls done before they are put to press
3. Polls are only done by Russian Govt (aka SBR) approved polling systems / war dialers
4. Naturally all "official" polls show Putin at the top of the lists.

This also happens in China, India and many other companies. Checking the tax records of any major Moscow based PR firm will confirm this truth.

TLDR: Russian poll as about as fake as CNN "sources". You can admire Putin's work ethic and desire to curbstomp the Globalists, but don't glorify the USSR level propaganda.

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>>132538531
This. As bad as he sometimes was Stalin cleared out most of the filth from the party, and shutdown globalism and social liberalism within the USSR. Better than the joos that ran the place before him at least.

>>132524477
>kill millions of your countrymen
>get worshiped 70 years later

>>132546696
>which is very good considering everything
Considering he is in power and runs propaganda machine. No. In Russia it was always literally illegal to not like you current tsar. Real challenge when tsar is not power anymore and law doesn't demand to like him.

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>>132524477

Solzhenitsyn rolls in his grave

>>132546406
>He didn't forsee the fall of the SU
Idiots always don't foresee consequences of their idiotic actions (though from the hachik POV he did good. Stroke down huge empire that all micro-nations always hated)

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>>132543192
Gorbachev was responsible for the trend towards extremely low fertility rate in eastern Europe through his promotion of (((democracy))) and (((liberalism))). He weakened his country enormously so I don't see how and nationalist could endorse the coward.

>>132547442
>Any idea where someone with a decent enough base of knowledge on Stalin's life could pick up the subject again to see Beria's Jew removal in action? Perhaps I'll change my opinion after all these years.
Every thing I read about Beria said he was a horrible man. But he was good at removing Jews. I'm far to be an expert about Stalin, I didn't read much about his life, but I think his most antisemitic period was after WW2, while Beria was at the head of the NKVD, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Murdered_Poets for example

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>>132547902
>countrymen
(((countrymen)))

>>132524477
>>132525109

The baby boomers see Stalin as the ultimate big boss of their time.

They all have a hard on for Stalin.

He's really just a communist piece of shit who eventually got over thrown by other communists.

Most of the aging bolsheviks who still believe in a "glorious revolution" haven't died yet. It's a shame because the only good communist is a dead communist.

>>132548291
Good one, saved

>>132544540
lmao the alphabet is the easiest part of Russian

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>>132548294
>Beria said he was a horrible man.
But this objectivey truth. He was literally executed for treason.
>inb4 soviet justice is wrong and not BASED
If you think about it all most people Stalin appointed were executed for treason, what makes him...?

>>132547930
Solzhenitsyn rolls with his "facts".

>>132548984
Beria was a necessary tool. Only a man like that could remove Jews efficiently. I do not hate Beria.
But he was objectively a maniac and a manipulator. Khroutchev and Joukov were right to execute him. His time was past.

>>132548623
You guys were hit pretty had Ivan lol. But Putin seems to be bringing you back up; Russia is already more fertile than most of Western Europe, and getting close to us.

>>132548291
Fertility rate correlate foremost with women education levels and urbanization. Everything else is secondary.

>>132538431
Did you know he wanted to deport all jews to siberia before he was assassinated?

>>132549339
this qoute by Solzhenitsyn is a rule for politics and states in general

>>132549579
Russians ( not """Russian citizens""") total fertility rates never rised above replacement rates since 1965. 2016 included. Russians (not ''''Russians""") game is over.

>>132543270
This.

>>132524477
>kills 3/4ths of the population
>GOAT

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>>132538431
>starved ukrainian apes to death

>>132524564
Typical American defmaing news with fake news and then making shit up. Must be a Trump follower.

>>132545589
slavs are russian, just because you threw a tantrum and drew a line in the sand doesn't make you a separate people or country

>>132549907
Yes, politics is place of lies and hypocricy.
I agree with many of what he said. Except his "jew style" facts about 110 million

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If the question was who was the most notable, or of greatest impact, then without a doubt Stalin most definitely was from the Russian perspective.

You must realize, the Russian Civil War was more then just a monarchy, or two ideological factions competing for dominance. To the White Russian gentry and soldiers, the diehard front line fighters who fought from Russia to Siberia and then from Mongolia, it was a fight against a wave that sought no less then to destroy the presence of God on Earth.
And they lost.

After utterly destroying all political adversaries in manners that truly befit a political system that denied the existence of objective morality, Stalin became the new God, and proceeded to shape his dominion as a god would. He formed a unified Russian national character upon the terrible anvil of Purge and Gulag, All nationalities, cultures and races intermingled there.

>>132544900
Having a death wish is not the trait of a slave, survival at all costs is slave mentality.

>>132550712
> 110 million

No, thats of not accurate of course, but the number is surely not less than 40 million.

>>132550795
>He formed a unified Russian national character
lol. he destroyed Russian nationality at same time pandering to all shiskins inhabiting Russia with all his might. Hachik's revenge against big brother nation.

>>132550510
Latvians are slavs?
American education...

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>>132550795

>>132551183
This is what makes Russian slave's unique.

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>>132550795
Stalin was a douche
return of the monarchy when?

>>132550795

He was a psychopath and a godless totalitarian system like communism is a garden that nurtures grows psychopaths.

>>132551183
Thank you.

>>132545924
Stalin was nicer to us than to his own people, in a way.

Gave us some sweet German lands, kicked off Germans and took the blame for it, made us monoethnic country, didn't force soviet-style communism on us, only a somewhat lighter version, still shitty but better than gulags.

>>132551626
>monarchy with swatsika
wew lad

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>>132544540
plebeian. Cyrillic is objectively better than Latin and you can learn it permanently in two hours.

just lol if you are monoalphabetical in 2017.

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>>132552201
>he doesn't know about the whites and their anti semetic stance and how the rus empire was the zionist's biggest threat, and that is exactly why (((they))) unleashed lenin and trotsky, and to this day won't drop the "mah russia" narrative

>>132552304
Cyrillic has no advantage in information density and it is less spread than Latin.

>>132552304
>>132553502

POCCNR!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>132553502
who cares its classyer, its got its own uses

>>132524477
stalin kind of was an incredible historical figure, considering all that he left in his wake

you know, in a "love-him-or-hate-him" sort of way

Stalin made Russia a superpower.

>>132553502
t. western spy

The (((poll))) was rigged by (((you know who))). No one killed Christians like St*lin.

>>132555877
Christianity is corrupted by masters long time ago.

>>132524477
Russia is a nation of masochists.

Everyone who can actually remember the Stalin era is dead. The only Russians still alive can either only remember stuff after 1991, or lived after kruschev.