catalonia referundum

>>132448591
Is it true they're the most liberal area of Spain?

>>132448789
need confirmation from a spanish anon , but from what i have seen in threads about catalonia , it is spanish california

>>132449251
>it's spanish california
That's what I've read here. I do know that they are Draconian with the Catalan language, even go as far as accepting a complete foreign language instead of Spanish

It's a comfy thought to think of the Spanish government going martial law in the region, and seeing riots and such.

>>132448591
I will vote yes to independence so I can enjoy the rising fire in the streets
Wait for Catalonia, or hell, even Spain to become Venezuela 2.0
Just you wait

>>132448591
>Thought it said california referundum
I got excited for a moment there, anon

>>132450061
Spain is a nice place and I enjoyed my time there, but the only region I want to see independent is the Basque Country.

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>>132448591
>Lulz, let's create another non-country and join crumbling EU.
>what could possibly go wrong?
I fucking hate this irrelevant independence movement which shouldn't even be allowed.

c*talonians don't deserve to have a state since it were they who went full retard and embraced anarcho-communist garbage in Civil war.

>>132448789
>Is it true they're the most liberal area of Spain?
Yes, it is.

>>132449513
>That's what I've read here. I do know that they are Draconian with the Catalan language, even go as far as accepting a complete foreign language instead of Spanish
Yes, there is even a law there that force the business to have their signs in Catalonian and, if they want, also in Spanish (but it is illegal to have them only in Spanish).

>>132449651
>It's a comfy thought to think of the Spanish government going martial law in the region, and seeing riots and such.
I don't see that happening.... Don't get me wrong, I don't see happening the martial law. There will be riots independently of what will happen with the referendum.

>>132450139
To think that almost identical states/provinces share an almost identical name

>>132448591
I hope it happens so their precious FC Barcelona will collapse within about 6 weeks. Way too many dicksuckers here with their shirts.

I thought they already had the referendum. I heard that everyone joined hands around the border of Catalonia.

>>132450192
Legit. The Basque language isn't even understandable to a Spanish speaker. Catalan is just a dialect.

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>within 48 hours
>a government doing sth

Certainly hope it's true though.
Catalans are some stuck up cunts, Castilians will be better off.
Catalans probably gonna claim some gibs though.

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Can't wait to collect this flag for real

The old castle language is predominant in a few areas still, the Spanish you learn in school is not the same, we are leaving you

>>132450061
>>132450267
>>132451178
So what's the real likelihood?

>>132451484
>So what's the real likelihood?
They are silencing dissenting voices (for example, their "minister of businesses and knowledge", Jordi Baiget, who said that the referendum is very unlikely to be done in the current shape), so I would say "nearly none". At most, it will be like the last time: totally uncontrolled, illegal, and only those who want the independence going to vote.

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>>132448789

They are pseudojews, in the sense of not being jews but acting pretty much like them.

The stereotypes about Catalonians are usually about money and usury, they shilled the state into protectionism in 1860s and even managed to do so in 1950s with Franco, they spend their day complaining about not enough gibs and that Spain should put them in a much more special status(aka, independent but with the benefits of being part of Spain; for example, they said that Spain in case of independence would pay for the retirement of old people).

And in case you need further proofs, they put this thing as the major of their capital: Barcelona, and managed to generate news in English.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/07/barcelona-mayor-ada-colau-feminised-democracy

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/ada-colau

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/29/barcelona-unveils-digital-shame-counter-to-track-refugee-deaths

That wasn't even 5 minutes on google to proof that the turbo liberalism of this leftard is dripping internationally... now imagine how bad it is internally.

>>132452162
You forgot to archive it

>https://theguardian com/world/2015/jun/07/barcelona-mayor-ada-colau-feminised-democracy
https://archive.is/PZks3
>https://buzzfeed com/lukelewis/ada-colau
https://archive.is/2NZFJ
>https://theguardian com/world/2016/jul/29/barcelona-unveils-digital-shame-counter-to-track-refugee-deaths
https://archive.is/fCESp

why is the EU such cancer for all nations that join it?

RIP in piece Spain

>>132452200

oh, thank you.

happening?

>>132452538
Well it's apparently happening 1st of October

>>132452538
not now but potential happening to look for in october

>>132448591
>the madmens say they will declare full independance within 48 hours if the coming referendum is in favor of spliting from spain

Its just another day of Catalacucks whining about everything.

Their main strength came from the economic crisis when the country was on the verge of civil unrest pretty much like Greece and many people accumulated a lot of political frustration since while the problem originated in the financial sector our political sector did literally nothing until the whole country was pants deep in the crisis. In this context one proposed solution was for Catalacucks to take advantage and secede from the rest of Spain.

But now that Spain is actually seeing "some" light that "might" actually be the end of the tunnel they know that they have to act now or be relegated into a minor force again, so its all or nothing and they are putting all of their tools to provoke some reaction from the government to legitimize their movement.

Hence almost every week there is some offensive statement, law project or weird action that ends up being rejected. Their main wet dream is that the central government ends up fed up and suspend the autonomy system in Catalonia along with the use of police and military force, that's what they are aiming for; an unilateral action that would give them the total legitimacy to do what they want and get international support(the last is also very important, they know that secession would put them out of the EU unless they get a "special deal" like Northern Ireland).

So far the central government hasn't done anything but turning down every law related to unilateral independence and condemning every offensive statement as "illegal and polarizing" and I would say that is mostly waiting for Catalonia to actually dare to do something instead of just saying it.

Is an endurance test, but time is not on the side of Catalonia. Neither PP nor PSOE nor Ciudadanos are willing to allow the secession.

>>132453242
I just get the feeling that if they ever secede they will be fucked sideways with poverty and famine and basically beg Spain to rejoin within like a year.

>>132453354
>I just get the feeling that if they ever secede they will be fucked sideways with poverty and famine and basically beg Spain to rejoin within like a year.

Their arguments are not based around positive things of secession but rather negatives, that is; the Spanish government is too bad so whatever happens will be for the better.

What they seem to fail to acknowledge is that the problems they are not solving problems like corruption, but rather trying to move away from them. Their politicians are no better from ours, their economic structure isn't different too from the rest of Spain(a society based around tourism and lacking industry) and so on, and even freedom is not a problem for them, they have been the "special autonomous community since 1978" getting the autonomous community status before anyone else, much more autonomy and self regulation than practically any other region in Spain(Navarra might compete with their "fueros" but don't get as close) and even more political weight(Podemos is basically in congress for being important in Madrid and Barcelona, that's it and they get like 1/3 of the Congress in a system made to be based around two parties).

If they really expect that without changing much magically everything will be better they are dehilusional, and by doing so both Catalonia and Spain will suffer from their little hissy fit that started 70 years ago and didn't shut up about.

Although the only real argument government has is constitutional blind legality, they do have a point; both parties should have a voice in an issue that will probably damage both,if you don't want to acknowledge this then start assuming than any action that can threaten Spain will be met with disgust and maybe force if your act is final.

>>132454394
Thanks for the insight, I have always just superficially been aware of the issue but now I know a little bit more.

I might trigger a few lads here but I'm getting brexit vibes from this, a whole lot of angry people who never put actual thought in the consequences of their misguided rage.

>>132448591
This again?

"Its for sure going go happen this time guys! The 16352746274th time is the charm!"

I around Barcelona for three months in 2016 and this is all that was ever talked about, and dozens of "rapefugees welcome" signs trying desperately to flood the area with enough migrants to try to get more people to speak your shitty language and vote for independence.

Yeah go ahead and make your own country, its full of muslims, africans and bolivians anyways, watch tourism dry up when people who dont even speak much spanish scoff at the notion of learning your inferior language just to visit. Place is a shithole. Barcelona is your only redeeming facor and it wont sustain you. I hope you do secede just so the world can laugh at you.

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>>132448591
Does the Generalitat pay you for making this threads everyday? I know that there are a lot of money flowing to the good catalonians freedom figthers against the evil Espanya.

>>132448789
Dude, the entire independence movement is pushed by blue hairs, and Barcelona is full of sandniggers.

>>132448591
>is it even possible for them to do that ?
The government could, right now, apply article 155 of our constitution, which states that in case the government of a community goes against national interests, they can disavow them and that community will be controlled directly by our government, going so far as bringing in the military if it's requiered.

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>>132448591
When is it our time?

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>>132456292

>>132456292
kom dan

if doing the referendum is illegal, why don't they try to reform the constitution so that they can do the independence thing legally?

>>132448591
if you saw your flag being flown upside down would you recognize it as a distress signal>

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>>132456371
why you do this

>>132456398
<3

>>132457300
> why don't they try to reform the constitution so that they can do the independence thing legally?

3 words; Lack of support.

>>132448789
It's the only area in Spain which has kept upt its traditional culture for centuries and a deep rooted christian faith. That is why Franco's government tried to fill it up with stinking andalusians, and the successive governments with shitskins. And yet in face of all that adversity they still managed to force them to assimilate, rather than accepting (((multiculturalism))), to the point where many people pushing for independence are of non-catalan origin but have assimilated into catalan culture.

Don't believe the eternal spaniards lies. Keep in mind that spaniards are moorish rapebabies. Spain took a dump in Catalonia so to be able to tell everyone that it's full of shit.

We will make Catalonia great again.

>>132458090
t. SJW
Barcelona is pretty much a caliphate.

>>132448591
small independece movement are the work of the jew,(((they))) will take the role of the bigger cunt and use them as a fulcrum to gain power and money

>>132458090
>It's the only area in Spain which has kept upt its traditional culture for centuries and a deep rooted christian faith.
>only area in Spain
some of you catalonians being so fucking arrogant, pedantic and stupid is the reason i actually want you to do that ILLEGAL referendum and make us drop the military on you

you are the equivalent of sjws with victim inferiority complex in US

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The most popular sights in Barcelona are:
>A fuckhueg church designed by a profoundly christian architect (Gaudí)
>A beautiful park as well as other architecture designed by said man
>An active christian monastery on a hill which is said to house the holy grail, pic related is Himmlers visit looking for it
>A christian church built on the highest peak of the city

While in Madrid there's LITERALLY a statue of "the fallen angel", ie Satan.

Leave us the fuck alone. Don't make threads about us. Don't come here. Stop worrying about our country's issues. You have nothing to do with them. Fuck off and die.

>>132458430
Galicia has a much richer history than you, and isn't under the control of SJWs or filled with sandniggers.

>>132458549
Spain doesn't allow for different cultures except the Castilian culture (which is basically barbarian, hence why it must repress other cultures, due to its inferiority complex). Any region that wants to be part of Spain wants to be culturally assimilated by castilians.

>>132458943
I'm Basque and I have nothing to complain about.
In fact, all the independence movements are gone.
You are not special, you do not deserve special treatment, even less when the ones demanding it are SJWs, who will destroy your culture in record time.

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>>132458090
> traditional culture for centuries and a deep rooted christian faith

Traditional coin accumulation and deep jewery tactics to get more gibs. The only religion you followed was your own interest even if it meant the abolition of Andalusian industry.

>>132458430

>A fuckhueg church designed by a profoundly christian architect (Gaudí)

Oh, wait did you managed to complete it? 80 more years and you would have taken 2 literal centuries to complete it.

Also it started in 1882, that doesn't have any merit at all when christianity wasn't in such a sorry state.

>An active christian monastery on a hill which is said to house the holy grail, pic related is Himmlers visit looking for it

What a great merit, one monastery! Everyone bow down to your new christian overlords and ignore the amount of muslim madrasas and jew school around.

>A christian church built on the highest peak of the city

Also, Catalonia has the highest amount of mosques of the whole country, 214 is the exact number, and growing taking into account the kind of major you have in office.

>>132458943
>Spain doesn't allow for different cultures except the Castilian culture

Spain has up to 10 different languages, or less if you start considering things like Catalan being merely an overrated dialect. What Spain doesn't allow is for people to start putting their language in every single official document and rather have a single language acting as an unificator for the whole country.

If you expect something like the Austro-Hungarian empire, you are very wrong.

>>132459360
>Catalonia has the highest amount of mosques of the whole country
Wtf? I'm really confused about Catalonia now. When I visited Barcelona it struck me as a really nice city with great architecture and history but it was jarring to see so many shitskins and niggers walking around. I just thought that this was due to the typical EU antics of flooding major cities with non-whites but this might have something to do with the Catalonians or their mindset themselves? Why do they even want independence if they are liberal refugees-welcome cucks? What exactly are they trying to achieve if it's not about preserving their supposed unique people or culture? Do they just hate Spain? Why? Because of some old feud that all sensible people have long moved on about or what?

>>132460506
The numbers are:

>Catalonia (214), Andalucía (138) and Madrid (98).

Catalonia was always the most jewry province of all, that meant that it was far more opened to the outside world and ended up being more tolerant of other cultures to sell more, to the point where right now its a liberal feud where they managed to hold a lefttard secesionist ideology(Esquerra) which is not focused on conservative idiosyncrasy , but rather on being more progressive than the government in Spain. This is something you can see in the young left in Spain; they are starting consider that everything that is not USSR leftism is either fascism or ultralibertarianism, hence why the right wing moderates(PP) are usually called fascists for little things like LGBTQIAÑç clashes over getting special treatments and advantages.

So yes, to some extent they hate Spain, but they hated it since the reunification around the XV century, the lack of gibs when industrialization came in the mid of the XIX century for industrialists and their failed coup attempt in 1936 to totally secede.

It can be argued that since, ironically, the socialist left in Catalonia has been the one who always opposed the nationalism movement in Catalonia indirectly defending national unity, their nationalistic leftardism was born as an answer to unify leftards in their hate of Spain and get more support.

>>132461430
wasnt Catalonia always leftist? Like since the civil war? Welp it is nearer than France so that might explain it

>>132449513
But the difference between the two is small,
If anything its a different accent, not a seperate language

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>>132460506

>>132458943
No. The Spanish government has been very fair to the various cultures that make up Spain. If you want a Nation that has killed all but its central culture look to France, where If it isn't Parisian it isn't french.

Ironically France doesn't have any of the succession problems that plague Spain. Funny how a strong nationalistic government actually works.

>>132461556
nah,they are pretty different,the most simillar to spanish would be galician (im from galicia btw) that was the same language than portuguese 500 years ago.
and about the referendum or whatever.
if they try to secede its simple,fire all the funtionaries that dont follow the orders of the ineterior minister and make catalonia a delegation of the central goverment until new
elections.
catalonia is bankrupt and spain has it by the balls.
and anyway no sane person is going to take a gun and start a civil war,this isnt anime.

>>132461541
>wasnt Catalonia always leftist?

Their right wing always tended to be absorbed by the nationalistic movement and the only change it was into which degree they got absorbed or not. Have in mind that in Catalonia was a strong place for industrialization so the two social clases; workers and industrialists, defined politics there being the workers the pushers for anything socialist that might benefit them and the industrialists for as much protectionism as they could get, both failed to really achieve something except getting angrier but I guess that the workers ended up winning more taking into account how bad went for industrialists in Spain and as extension in Catalonia too.

By the time of the civil war, they weren't really that much left wing as the rest of the "country"(if the 2º republic could be called that), but there anarchism was more predominant and ended up supporting the "second Spanish government"(it was a catalonian government in disguise waiting for the war to end to secede completely) for purely political reasons

>>132462062
>France doesn't have any of the succession

Yes they do, is just that is not as "strong" as it is here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsican_nationalism

>>132461430
Thanks. Now I kinda want to see them succeed with their independence bullshit only for their state to completely collapse so that Spain can come back in a few years later and sweep it clean. No more special autonomous status, no more welfare sent there, and hopefully a whole lot of deportations and a eugenics system implemented to rehabilitate the gene-pool, but now I'm just dreaming.

>>132461949
Damn, Asturias will have to start cleaning up Spain again after the EU collapses.

>>132459360
WHY IS THERE A FUCKING PAKI FLAG?!!?!?!!!?!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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>>132462675
>the new Catalonians

>>132462675
think about new york or san francisco.
thats the lebel of liberalism,SJW and leftism and diversity in Barcelona,with more hookers and drugs.
no fun place to stay.
also its next to badalona,the most unsafe city of spain since several years now.

>>132462327
>an come back in a few years later and sweep it clean.

Although I would agree that its not going to end up well for them, the Spanish government cannot allow this to happen whether it happens negatively or as catalacucks want; positively.

If they secede the image of Spain internationally would be of a crumbling country, following the process started at the end of the Spanish empire, this meant that economically the whole country would lose trust in the market which can be really damaging since the whole country is still recovering from a hard economical crisis.

Then there is the "call effect" where if one region gets to secede others might follow, or even to set a precedent that one region can leave without much fight from the government. This would affect the stability of the Iberian peninsula as many provinces would ask for more gibs and advantages or they would threaten with seceding, at which point the Spanish government either bows down and gives to them what they want, accept the secession or start being repressive, and repression is no good for the internal or external economy.

Thats not to say that Spain would end up worse than Catalonia, its a big country with acceptable infrastructure and working institutions so its ability to recover is far greater than Catalonia, but Catalonia either gets a switzerland treatment(that is; fiscal paradise along with canton organization) of which the EU would not allow(they have already too many fiscal paradises and even Switzerland doesn't want competition in their own game) or they are going to suffer much more than Spain in the following years, after that I do not dare to say anything about their well being.

So for now, lets behave for the good of both sides.

>>132462675

It will soon be called C-stan over here, just wait and see...

>>132458090
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(you)

>>132462934
This is almost surreal. Seeing the magnificent buildings and remnants of a great culture in the background and in the foreground the beings that have overrun them like the jungle reclaiming Mayan temples or Indians and Niggers shitting up the colonial buildings that were left to them. Unaware that they could never create something like that with their own hands.

Truly scenes from the apocalypse.

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>>132463524
sure they will be better in a few years governed by the comunists.
LOL
they are sinking and its their choice.

>>132462967
Definitely interesting insights you got there. Obviously, I also don't think there will be major developments that would rock the boat too hard. I would honestly be really surprised if Catalonia suddenly declared independence.

First of all the EU wouldn't be too happy with that and I think the Catalonian leaders themselves must realize how much they would be shooting themselves in the foot by actually doing it.

Many of the local politician supporting secession are probably only doing so to use it as a threat to Madrid and use that as leverage to obtain other political goals. But when push comes to shove many will chicken out and fail to back up their words with actions.

But who knows, people often do irrational things so it could happen after all.

>>132453242
Oh well that just mirrors the Scottish cucks with the SNP, except they don't actually have the balls or money to be independent.

You shouldn't have denied them a referendum, should have just given it to them at the start, watch them vote to remain and then shut them up by shaming them after you've reminded them of their first referendum.

Now what you've done is you've made them more zealous by denying them a referendum, it's basic behavior, you've treated them like a bad dog and they're going to bite.

I say you put that fucking rabid animal down, Cataloniacucks have no rights to be demanding independence, I've been to Barcelona and it's full of darkies and smelly people. Beautiful place but it's full of shit. You know what you must do Pedro. You have to kill them, kill them all!

>>132456292
>>132456398
>MUH CORRIDOR

>>132464413
>given it to them at the start
lol no, you shouldn't do that, they will try and try and try till succed and then bye, the goal isn't the referendum is seccesion, Scothland was claiming for another referendum after Brexit and that was .... 1 year after the first

>>132448789
>Catalonia has 7.5 million inhabitants, including an estimated 450,000 Muslims, who account for 6% of the total Catalan population. In some Catalan towns and cities, the Muslim population now reaches up to 40% of the population.
You tell me.

>>132450061
you guys get brit tourists in that area? Also I will come to Cacalonia to stir shit up

>>132448591
if they vote no to independence we should expell them from spain the same

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This time is serious! I swear this time we will do it!

Catalonia, especially Barcelona, was nice and clean last I visited. Friendly people, very nationalistic (not Spanish, lol). Hope you make it as an independent nation.

>>132468425


Like Sicily?

>>132468425
>Polentone

>>132448591
Please don't split in more useless nations. Spain was united for over 600 years wtf

Won't happen! Take it easy, october 1 will be like november 9 few years ago: 10% people votes, 90% for idependence. This time, maybe 20%...

They will get "concierto economico" like the basques and they will stop bitching, half of them will chicken out and the sacred unity of the kingdoms of spain will remain.

Public workers will have problems.

>>132450759
Who cares? only 45% of the people there can speak and understand basque.

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>>132468425
Reminder that the instant that happens, your country will fall apart from all the independentist movements you have and you will be so utterly fucked up you will be worse off than a negro.

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>>132468664
True. Spain was one of the first European nations, hence the butthurt

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>>132468748
I care

https://youtu.be/TSHj3eH2UAE

>>132450759
It's not a dialect, it's the bastard son of occitan laguage. They are similar. Catalonia has been vassal all the time, first of Occitania, then Aragon and now Castilla.
>>132468742
(Also, sorry for the reddit spacing)
Our constitution doesn't allow any referendum, we work as a federal union (Comunidades Autonomas), but big part of the money it's centralized, that's the question here. If we get control on our taxes like basques and navarros, problem solved.

>>132469280
fuck off commie

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>>132469280
Rock Radikal Vasco, the retardest music in all XX century.

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>>132469699
I hope it is not an independentist group.

>>132469033
>>132468664
600 years, lolwut those are rookie numbers

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>>132448789
NO

>>132448591
It won't happen, people is tired of this shit everyday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dicr2Y0mWTs

>molt honorable
HAHAHAHAHA

Os ponen la estelada delante y os torean como quieren. Al igual que al resto de cuñaos españoles les ponen la bandera venezolana delante y los torean como quieren.

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>>132469699
>>132469410
Good tunes man

https://youtu.be/qTVH58Ijb2w

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>>132448591
The worst part is that they say that even if most of the voters abstain to vote if the percentage goes towards the "yes" they will declare independence anyways.

The thing is that this referendum will be illegal like the one in 9N of 2014. (And they consider themselves democratics for jumping the fence of the law). Because of this most voters declined to vote resulting in a 1/3 of participation of the whole population of Catalonia.

About 80% of the ONE THIRD of the voters voted Catalonia to become an state and to be independent, about 10% only an state and a 4'5% not to be an state or independent. (Rest of votes were null).

So basically they will make the same on this year's referendum with probably similar results wanting to have an assured independence.

The state has the power and the right to stop them because they are doing it illegally but knowing how "huevones" are and the fear they have to be called "fascists" just for the mere use of their right to stop some antidemocratic and anticonstitutional clowns who knows if they will stop them or not and what will happen if they let them do whatever they want when they supposedly can't.

Sources (first one is in english):

https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/11/10/inenglish/1415577606_989753.html

https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2014/11/09/actualidad/1415542400_466311.html

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2291518/0/9n-consulta-cataluna/resultados-votacion/participacion-datos/

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>>132469824
I I have bad news for you. Is music for edgy teenagers who are so intelectual lazy that believe going against Spain is symbol of a cunning and independent thought.

And when the catacucks have declared Independence then what happens if the spanish authorities simply ignore them?

Do they plan to seize the infrastructure and the strategic key points?

Not really, at the moment.

>>132470227
Good music for making shekels off of commies. Jaiotze Basatia CDs sell for about $150 a pop. Catalonians are commie faggots though.

>>132448591

I wish spain would hang these traitors like the 1700's, but Madrid will just tell them to shut up and they will.

>>132470224
Forgot to mention that the 9N referendum was tweaked by the independenceists (i mean the "yes" voters which sometimes voted more than once per person), and surely they were more less than 80% of "yes" votes.

>>132448591
What does the yellow on their flag mean?

>>132470679
I think they mixed the Reino de Aragón flag with the Cuban flag. I say Cuban because the core of this movement are commies.

>>132470224
>>132470529
this pretty much, not separatists catalans simply will not bother to vote in an ilegal referendum like the last ime.

>>132471398
Makes sense, considering the basques did the same with the Union Jack.

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>>132448789
Corrupt migrant shithole

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>>132470679
Catalonia was never a nation - the region was part of the Kingdom Of Aragon (notice the flag, 4 beheaded muslims and a couple of autistic crosses) they share the striped yellow and red flag with regions like, Aragon, Valencia & The Balearic Islands - all part of the old Kingdom of Aragon.

puta espanya gora eta
holocaust espanyol ja!

>>132472753
Educate yourself pleb.

>>132448591
i don't understand their plan, if they do the illegal referendum and illegally declare independence they are basically forcing spain to follow that constitution article and drop the hammer on them with military intervention, what happens then? what do they expect to gain from that?

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>>132470227
Those are the worst. People with Hispanophobia deserve the worst possible fate.

>>132472753
DELET THIS.

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>>132472753
Awful bait, José.

How likely is a Spanish civil war if they declare independance?

>>132448591
Nice flag Catalanons

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>>132473890
In any case the civil war would be inside the Spanish region of catalonia given the fact that 80% of the people there are against independence and are fervient Spanish nationalists.

Listen mate, we need to support Spain as they are our glorious country's best ally!

>>132473503
Two options:
Either they don't actually want independence, just more political levelage they can use
or
They are literally so retarded they expect to be saved by the rest of Europe form """"""The evil fascist spain""""""

>>132448789
>>132449251
How can they be the most liberal guys on Spain if they are the most nationalistic ones?

They belive that onze they achive their independence country of valencia and balearic islands will be absorved into their empire.

Also i want to remind to all catalonians that basques and valencians have the title Country in their name because they have spine and weren't slaves like you bastards that want to leave spain to join the EU and let them invade you with their troops.

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>>132473890
I pray to God it happens, only solution to this is a civil war, after nationalists win again we will enpower ourselves as masters and thus liberate Iberia.

>>132448789
Yeah of you ever go to Barcelona go to their parliament, there's normally a guy covered in 'blood' protesting about animal rights and that everyone should be vegetarian or some shit. It's fucking hilarious

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>>132474156
I hope you are a fervient Spanish nationalist. Someone very proud of your wonderful country, Spain. A true patriot.

You know, among other things to do some counterbalance.

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>>132448591
They can't do shit, it's all talk. At best they will end up in a court. And I say it from a neutral point of view, I don't even care. Just ignore this circus made up by dozens of clowns please.

>>132448789
>they're the most liberal area of Spain?

Nah, Madrid is. Basques are only in theory, but in practice they have nothing to do with your typical liberal.

>>132452162
>in the sense of not being jew

Look at that woman. Obviously a racial jew.

>>132458943
False. Stop making up bullshit, that was true many years ago.

Nowadays periferal cultures are perfectly fine.

Listen to this guy >>132459341

>>132468273
kek I see what you did there

>>132450759
Then Italian and French are dialects too.

Traditional Catalan and Galician and not understandable at all for a spanish speaker either.

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>>132468748
Which is sad. We should care about our culture.

It seems there is no medium term here. It is either "NOT SPAIN SPAIN IS OPRESSING US" or "WHO CARE ABOUT THAT SHIT NOWADAYS WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE WORLD"

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>>132448591
>is it even possible for them to do that ? how would spain and spanish companies react with such a quick split ?

I hope Spain sends tanks and troops.
The Catalans can't not allowed to destroy my country's exports and imports to Spain and some shareholders of companies in my country.

If they think they can turn independent without a fight with the Spanish armed forces or not getting bombed by an irrendist terror organization like OAS, they are mistaken.

>>132469280
>>132469410
>>132470146
>>132469699

You don't like basque Black metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDD896R8iT8

>>132475220
>I hope Spain sends tanks and troops.

Not happening because they don't need to, just a couple of guardias civiles to arrest the perpetrators.

>>132448591
>how would spain and spanish companies react with such a quick split ?

They already know it's a possibility. Start getting ready now.

>>132475433
>Not happening because they don't need to, just a couple of guardias civiles to arrest the perpetrators.
That's what we did when Borís Skósyrev tried to become the King of Andorra.... It could work again....

>>132474570
>Basques are only in theory, but in practice they have nothing to do with your typical liberal.
It's important to remember that, during the Civil War, Basque priests and anarchists where in the same side.

If they go full independent before we do, then we should regard this as a national shame to linger over us for the next 100 years.

>>132477103
Don't worry lad, article 50 was triggered.

We are effectively independant, unlike those wankers in SCOTLAND HAHAHAHA

>>132461949
>>132462327
I was in Catalonia in 2014 and 2015 and there are almost no muzzies in Barcelona itself. Only the surrounding cities had arab quarters with Arab signage. The only resident minorites I saw in the city were chinks for some reason. Lots of chinks and chink shops.

>>132461556
I speak neither, but from what I gathered from bilingual signage it sometimes feel like an accent where you can clearly see the relation for some words and for others it's completely different. Like Dutch and German.

I just returned from Spain. The women are attractive and respect men more than most western countries. That said I definitely felt a larger sjw presence in Barcelona. I really liked Salamanca and Santiago decostella

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>>132475489
>a possibility
It is not, Pelayo.

>>132477236
They can still sink it in the negotiation, also the Conservatives can stretch out the negotiations for 5 years, and realistically unless they end austerity(which is possible), comrade Corbyn will be in power in 5 years due to too many poor people, with utter ignorance as to the causes or solutions.

Also, the SNP is a national shame, until they are gone. They've been dented, but are still there.

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>>132477647
And I loved Madrid when I went there. Best city overall. And you?

Catalan here, yesterday I was watching the news from the pro-independent TV channel (tv3) and they were giving an speech that was like:
> Let us vote, it's not only for us, the ones who will vote Yes but also for the ones who want to say No. Anti-independence ppl, don't get banned, we want you to vote your No. Nobody gets banned

And after that, they began to talk about what could happen if the Yes vote could win
> Catalonia will be declared independent!! blah blah blah
And then the news anchor said "And what if NO wins?"
And they show a clip of a woman saying
> If the No wins, we will make sure to organize a new referendum

So... If Yes is declared, it gets independent and that stuff, but if No wins, you will keep doing referendums until Yes wins?
What the fuck is this?
They want to force the independence. They won't accept a No.

Yet those liberals are the first ones to come to you and say that they want to be democratic and shit.
It's awful

>>132448789

They're Spains Sweden/Scotland/California, excessively cucked.

>>132479294
Exactly! What are you going to do October 1st?

>>132475433
>implying guardia civil can do anything against mossos d'esquadra

Beware the Catalan pro-independence national socialist who jerks off thinking that once they achieve independence for some reason the independence movement will turn national socialist and they'll have a national socialist catalonia where they will get rid of all non-Catalans. He's probably lurking right now.

>>132462934
Fuck Colau for being a RefugeesWelcome and Minority lover
And also fuck how welcoming people were to these people during the 2000s, everyone was like "they're working at low wage jobs like slaves, haha"
But the crisis came and these whites lost their jobs while the immigrants kept working and got also paid for the government cause they wanted "to help the poor"

>>132458090
>deep rooted christian faith
You let the anarchists and communists rob all the churches duting the civil war and fought against Franco who came to protect them. Kys.

>>132458090

This 100%

Visca Catalunya lliure!

>>132468742

This time it's different, if 'yes' wins independence will be declared, that's how they ensure everyone is going to vote.

>>132470224

Don't worry participation will be over 50% for sure, 60% even.

>>132472410

Yes, and? Read the history, Catalonia was the heart of the kingdom, not Aragon.

>>132479294

You fucking retard, if 'no' wins there will be new elections and, obviously, the separatist parties will keep trying for a new referendum if they get majority again. Check your fucking ears.

>>132448789
Yes, it's disgusting. Aids-skrilex everywhere.

>>132477444
>there are almost no muzzies in Barcelona itself.
You obviously haven't been in Ciutat Vella.

>>132448591
Nothing's going to happen; this is a separatist manoeuvre to gain time, but we'll just get elections. Separatism is losing support with the passage of time.

Viva Cataluña, i visca Espanya.

And yes, Catalonia is known for being particularly progressive and flooded with Moors, but Madrid is pretty bad, too.

>t. Catalan on holiday

>>132457597
If it were a one-off thing, it could be held, but we all know how insistent separatists are. As in Scotland, at the slightest offence, they threaten to call another referendum.

>>132458209
Eso es una exageración, y Madrid tampoco es un baluarte de europeidad.

>>132458501
This.

>>132458943
In the first place, Castilian culture is hardly barbarian; it is European, Christian and quite similar to Catalonia's. Secondly, Spain does allow other Spanish languages and cultures; there's a reason, after all, for which I speak both Castilian and Catalan.

>>132459341
This. Independence in the Basque Country has collapsed, and I hope it will soon happen in Catalonia.

>>132461541
We had our based Carlists. It's a shame they no longer exist. Mr Puigmoltó will have to do.

>>132468034
Barcelona is the capital of Catalonia so yes, there are a lot of British tourists in that area.

>>132468453
I wish. They're moneysuckers.

>>132485316
And here we have a true Spanish patriot! God bless you, good sir!

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>>132468664

I keep telling Scottish and Catalonians that I never understand why they want independence. Take it from someone that lives with it every day, its not all its cracked up to be.

>>132485438

And also a shitload of Roma scum also. I swear I've never seen so many in one place in my life. There was pretty one of them for every tourist I saw.

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>>132487725
All pickpockets and drug addict gypsies. I have family in Madrid, my father is Spanish, and I see them there too. The biggest scum on the earth desu.

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>>132448591
>/pol/ is against it

Wouldn't independence to liberal areas like Catalonia and Scotland be actually good?

where will barcelona/espanyol play if cataluña becomes independent?

>>132487984
The LFP already said that they wouldn't be allowed in La Liga if Catalunya were to get independent from Spain. Good riddance too, except Espanyol, they're pretty ok.

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>>132487900
Or maybe even... California?

>>132487465
Thank you, Kavanagh. How much do you support Spain in this fight?

I hope a lot.

>>132487900
>>132488128
Is fragmentation good?

Vall d'Aran, a region inside Catalonia, seeks to be independent from them. Their own country. At which point do you stop? When all you have are city-states?

>>132487900
You should very well be against it and supporting Spain in this war. Doing otherwise is leftist.

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>>132487900

>Wouldn't independence to liberal areas like Catalonia and Scotland be actually good?

Well no. While I am not a fan of the Tory-lite party headed by Sharia May, in the UK Scotland made the difference in returning them to power without a serious struggle.

Otherwise we really could have been looking at a rainbow coalition with the Marxist Labour party and SNP leading it.

Breaking up long established nations is a bad idea all around. Doesn't matter if they have liberal regions or not, ideology changes but once you secede there is no going back.

>>132487882

Yeah its literally just criminal scum. I just kept my hands in my pockets when I was walking around Barcelona and wouldn't let my girlfriend take her handbag out with her.

Although the one bonus was that it was the biggest redpill the finally get her thinking about open borders and such being detrimental to our societies.

>>132488445
Aran would seek to remain Spanish, not form its own country; it profits off Spanish tourists.

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>>132488377

All the way, always have since I first became aware of it. When I was in university I wore a Real Madrid jersey to the gym ( I don't support them really, just had one for some reason)and I was given a big lecture by my left wing friends, one of whom was Catalan why I was a bastard for wearing it.

I don't recommend (((independence))) at all, whether its done democratically or not. Catalan region would lose its culture and heritage if they were to just become another state to be taken by vulture globalists. At least while part of Spain they have a reason to cling to their identity, without their "enemy" their culture will just disappear.

Obviously in my country we never got a democratic choice in our independence and its saw families like mine have their homes burned down, children murdered and possessions stolen. We are now reaping the benefits of that independence now, there is no real Irish identity anymore and our country is flooded with non-Europeans and left wing scum.

>>132489399
That's a interesting point. What would a Independent Catalunia do to areas that want to remain part of Spain? Will they leave them go? Or will they show their hipocresy by refusing?

>>132488445
Additionally, Barcelona contributes more to the autonomous community than it receives. Should Barcelona then be separated from Catalonia, allowing another city to be burdened with the charge of the entire region? Absolutely not.

The only argument for independence is the culturo-historical one, and it falls flat when you realise Catalonia held itself to be Spanish, as revealed by the spirt of the conquests of Aragonese kings. We aren't Castilian, but we are certainly Spanish.

>>132485990
Thank you.

>>132489474
>big lecture by my left wing friends, one of whom was Catalan why I was a bastard for wearing it.
What did those swines told you? What poison did they delivered throughout their malignant, traitorous and putrid mouths?

>>132489944
Catalonia won't secede, but if it were to do so, the Generalitat would seek to retain the 'rebellious' comarcas, offering some sort of autonomy; but the central government would seek to avoid it, although it would be in a very weak position if it were to allow a referendum in the first place.

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>>132490571

It was many years ago so I can't remember fully but in general it was just about the region be oppressed by the Spanish government, people are murdered if they talk about independence, children are forced to speak Spanish, people are taxed unfairly compared to other regions and so on.

>>132491317
> people are murdered if they talk about independence
Mmmmpppffff
>children are forced to speak Spanish
Mmmsssshhh
> people are taxed unfairly compared to other regions
mmmnHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAÇ!

>>132491317
>oppressed
Yes, of course. Is the language banned? No. Can one publicly advocate independence? Evidently.

>murder for independence
Mfw this is what leftists actually believe.

>forced to speak Spanish
Untrue. Education system, at least in state schools, favours Catalan. We are simply a bilingual society, and virtually everyone speaks both Castilian and Catalan, which are both languages with a very long history in Catalonia. It's not like Castilian was 'imposed' in XIX century.

Hell, the separatists are known for not knowing their history. They celebrate the Diada as if it were a republican festival; in truth, we are pro-Habsburg reactionaries.

>taxed unfairly
We are kike'd by our own regional government, which blames its own faults and errors on Madrid. The central government need to be purged and gassed, but the regional government isn't any better. Madrid is a scapegoat.

Catalans pay very high taxes, btw; our regional government has Jew'd us, and we're only noticing now.

>>132487900
Destroying our countries defeats the purpose of trying to save them by electing relatively right-wing politicians.

>>132492154
We were pro-Habsburg*

>>132448591
I hope they succeed just because there haven't been any major habbenins in so long

>>132448591
Literally never gonna happen.

I can't wait for it lol die in your rage conquistadorks
and this is only the first step, the khilafah is coming so wait and see faggots

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>>132448591
>tfw i could get to return home and fight in the catalonian war of independance

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>>132448591
Good luck, Catalonia.