/lrg/ - LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL: 4TH OF JULY EDITION

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“Taxation is theft, purely and simply even though it is theft on a grand and colossal scale which no acknowledged criminals could hope to match. It is a compulsory seizure of the property of the State’s inhabitants, or subjects.”

“Libertarianism holds that the only proper role of violence is to defend person and property against violence, that any use of violence that goes beyond such just defense is itself aggressive, unjust, and criminal”

“Scratch an egalitarian, and you will inevitably find a statist.”

“It is in war that the State really comes into its own: swelling in power, in number, in pride, in absolute dominion over the economy and the society.”

“Since production must always precede predation, the free market is anterior to the State. The State has never been created by a “social contract”; it has always been born in conquest and exploitation.”

“Whenever someone starts talking about 'fair competition' or indeed, about 'fairness' in general, it is time to keep a sharp eye on your wallet, for it is about to be picked.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/against-womens-lib/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/murray-n-rothbard/dangerous-economic-myths/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/murray-n-rothbard/program-right-wing-populism/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/murray-n-rothbard/assassination-revisionism-2/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/murray-n-rothbard/hillary-witch/

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“Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else.”

“There can be no socialism without a state, and as long as there is a state there is socialism. The state, then, is the very institution that puts socialism into action; and as socialism rests on aggressive violence directed against innocent victims, aggressive violence is the nature of any state.”

“Egalitarian and relativistic sentiments find steady support among ever new generations of adolescents. Owing to their still incomplete mental development, juveniles, especially of the male variety, are always susceptible to both ideas.”

“Conflict is not unavoidable. However, it is nonsensical to consider the institution of a state as a solution to the problem of possible conflict, because it is precisely the institution of a state which first makes conflict unavoidable and permanent.”

“With a [democratic] government anyone in principle can become a member of the ruling class or even the supreme power. The distinction between the rulers and the ruled as well as the class consciousness of the ruled become blurred. The illusion even arises that the distinction no longer exists: that with a public government no one is ruled by anyone, but everyone instead rules himself. Accordingly, public resistance against government power is systematically weakened."

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/hans-hermann-hoppe/4-step-health-care-solution/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/04/hans-hermann-hoppe/world-government-vs-freedom-civilization/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/04/hans-hermann-hoppe/state-run-megalomaniacs/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/09/hans-hermann-hoppe/mises-not-hayek/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/hans-hermann-hoppe/free-immigration/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09/hans-hermann-hoppe/are-you-a-cultural-neanderthal/

First for removing P*leo plebs

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>>132389618
You're the one who ought to be removed for denigrating paleos.

>>132389618
>His only personal stance is dude freedom lmao
>I'm totally fine with people taking drugs, even if it's my daughter

I pity you.

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mfw LRG gets btfo by a liberal

Just heard about this guy. Question. What would the world he espouses look like? What would stop a neighbouring country from just enslaving you all? What does privatization of law and military look like, in practice?

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i posted this in another thread and we were talking about the inaccuracies of the placement of the ideologies on this chart. what do you think about the /lrg/ or purple square related ones?

at least this place has one good general

>>132394348
My problem with these tests is that it can't differentiate between authority via property rights and authority via the state.

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>>132394348
It's talking about deserving stuff.

How is that ancap lmao

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Fuck off ancap faggots.

>>132394998
starve me outside stalin.

>>132392736
It won't work. That's why minarchism is the most viable libertanism ideology and approach. AnCap is a meme that's based on a dream that a bunch of disorganized fellas with rifles can hold back a fully trained and equipped military. Or that your private security company won't simply enslave you for x2 the benefits and 0 risk of fighting and dying for you

Serious question, will degenerate behavior spread in a libertarian society? People today, in general have a more code, but was this instilled in us by force from a government or other type of large collective? Good behavior is not always benifical for a creatures survival, and evil behavior is often rewarded. Could a purpose of s government be to raise the general moral fiber of a society, and could it be more efficient at that task, rather than a totally free world?

>>132395663
Yeah, I must agree. I don't see how it is an any less corruptible system than we have now.

>>132396100
>Serious question, will degenerate behavior spread in a libertarian society?
depends on the culture of the society, an religious conservative society will prevent degeneration and move on to higher levels, while atheistic gay societies will die under their own degeneration.

can someone explain to me how the book club works and how do I participate?

>>132396401
I can see that happening in today's world, but I think you could make the argument that the church is similar to a government, and wouldn't exist in a libertarian society. At least that's what I meant. So would some kind of hierarchy be necessary in order to keep people moral?

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>>132395663
I use Ancap writers and Ancap theorist to better my ideology and use it as a platform to better myself.

Anyone who unironically believes in Ancap and what it fully implemented is delusional

>>132396249
I'm not saying it's corruptible, just not viable. I'm all for a bare minimum minarchistic state that's main duty is defend the country and it's basic laws. Minimum taxing via Georgist tax (they defend your land so pay for it).

Socialism in general is cancer. Look what it did to your country. Do you think without socialism the state would have the opportunity or money to let in unproductive niggers and other 3rd world filth?

>>132394998
Capitalism does distribute wealth in the most efficient way. Whose fault is it that a bunch of fucking degenerates can become millionaires for acting like scum? The right have stood in the way of the downfall of culture and societal standards, it's you leftwing faggots who think humans can behave like animals with no consequences that have done this

How do you instill morals and raise the general moral fiber of a society without force?

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>>132396598
well if the church posesses land and without the state they have to care for the people like medical care, care for the poor like in the old times of the church, I could see a society in which the pope for example leads over the property of the church.
But I am not a libertarian, I don't know exactly if they are ok with total authority over private property.

the nap cucks your obtain and sustain power
an ancap is unable to preemptively attack someone that's scheming to take over their shit without violating the nap
they will die because their meme killed them and their meme will fail to reproduce because it killed the host

>>132397140
cucks your ability to*

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>>132396984
not using force only applies to people

>>132397111
I see your point. To me that would be a Theocracy, because the church is still acting like and performing the duties of a government. We're prolly just caught up on definitions.

>>132397239
>you can't buy land
wrong

>>132394998
Aww, staving """person""" (not to offend his gender pronouns) thinks patents and IP laws are capitalistic.

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Oh shit my dudes im late. Hail /lrg/, hail our people, God bless America!

>>132397306
Your pointing at a big problem with Lebertsrianism. Where do you draw the line with the NAP? Individuals are not equal, groups of people are not equal, species are not equal. If all individuals get the same rights then this should include every individual animal and plant as well. Is a ancap going to look every time they take a step , avoiding all the bugs? If your being philosophically consistent, you would have to.

>>132397415
>To me that would be a Theocracy
yes and so other forms of organisation would also rise and since the absent of an government they have to prevail against all other forms of models
and I believe that the conservative values will prevail in the longterm.
and strong family bonds will become more important too without a socialist healthcare system.

>>132397869
we don't deal with the NAP, ancaps do, we still have laws and a government

>>132397140
Or you are the meme way too literally.

>>132398039
taking the meme way too literally.*

>>132398039
i take my memes all the way

>>132397989
I'd consider you a socialist then, but it's only words and our own definitions

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>>132397869
I draw the line at people who are incapable/ideologically opposed to Libertarian ethics and non aggression. If you use commit to a violent lifestyle or follow a violent ideology your rights are void. This is the basis of non aggression. It is a flawless axiom until retards misinterpret it's meaning.

>>132398221
Good for you, jew.

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>>132398248
>I'd consider you a socialist then
the only way you could have insulted me more is if you called me a commie

>>132397919
I want to hope moral values would live on, I just don't see how in a "survival of the fittest" type situation, morals are not necessarily evolutionarily benifical

>>132398360
I apologize, but I believe a true capitalism can only exist without a government, and by merely existing, the state taints the free market.

>>132398360
Commie.

I kid. I do believe in a direct democracy sort of government. Presidents are elected dictators, however much you love them.

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>>132398319
the fuck did you just call me

>>132398270
So you think violence against an ignorant person is justified?

>>132398585
He called you a Jew, kike.

this is inevitable, authoritarian cucks are proving the point that theirs is the inferior system for inferior population

the moment of what must be done is getting ever so closer, I say let's hasten the day

>>132398568
no need to apologize, it's no big deal

>>132398644
Ignorant as in violent because he's dumb? Yes. Absolutely.

>>132398585
AYO HOL UP!

>>132397869
The NAP is useless in reality, it is just a moral standard, left from european values, especially property rights and don't harm anyone who is innocent, it will just sort itself out with time I always think about it like in the old days of europe, where there was no strong government, the NAP as a hole is just something people with too much time on their hand pulled out to make a philosophical point.
>>132398361
>morals are not necessarily evolutionarily benifical
they are
you need a big family and be on good terms with them, because you need each other, so no degerate kids who wants to be transgender and have a sexchange to fuck tyrone, because they can'T afford it without a family backing them up and if they would do it on their own they wouldn'T ahve anything when they are old because of their degenerate lifestyle which also leads to no reproduction.
and if you make enough money to pay for nurses when you are old, still no offspring, which leads to a decrease of this part of degeneracy.

>>132398706
You said the NAP does not apply to people who don't believe in libertarianism, that does not link them to violence.

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>>132398663
burger

>>132398801
Yes it does link them to violence. They reject non initiation of force.

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>>132398823
Jew

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I have a question for all right libertarians
since I have split with the right socialists, Iam working on an alliance with conservative libertarians irl here.
and so it comes that I meet tomorrow with some classical liberals and some libertarians, but what I saw from german libertarians on youtube they are all left libertarians, so how should I aproach them or what should I expect in gerneral from them, should I admit that I am a fascist or schould I start with hoppe, or just go along with them for the beginning?

>>132398778
Your second point: I can imagine how morals would be beneficial in that situation, but I can think of many situations were morals are not useful, and even a hindrance on well being.
First point: I believed in Libertarianism because I thought it completely adhered to the NAP, which for me at the time was the extent of a enlighten and completely moral society. Now that I question the NAP, how people only use it against humans and not all life forms, I see it is not completely consistent. If this ideology is not completely consistent, why not be a fascist or a commie?

>>132398823
Jokes on you oven dodger, I love merica memes. Especially on 1776 day. I'm eating a burger right now while I laugh at you.

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>pretend to be ancap
>actually stirnerite

>>132399065
Because they don't know about it, some one could go there whole life without know what violence is, and still not committing any violence.

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>>132399138
burger

>>132397989
The US is a minarchy, a constitutional minarchy.

And what you see today is the result of minarchy.

The moment you let public domain take hold of a society you open the door for democracy, it's impossible to have it any other way.

>>132399283
Left Libertarians are cancer. There's about as much debate with them as social justice kids.

>>132399283
Hoppe forces left libertarians to contradict themselves rather quickly if you're well versed in his line of argumentation. Just prove to them that they have a vision for society and that they will need violence for it, should not be too hard if they're closed minded.

>>132399320
same

>>132399427
What's stopping degeneracy in an ancap society?

>>132399419
sauce on that?

>>132399380
I care not about their ignorance. I care about non violence. There's nothing more you can get out of this. I don't know what you're trying to get out of me. This is very simple. No aggression, no problem. You don't have to read Rothbard.

>>132399302
because animals and plants can't express their free will, that's why they are considered property, again things that just derived from our european values over the time, there is no need for thinking about a nap it is a thing that gets way too much attention in my opinion
also I am a fascist but just on the spiritual part not on the material so I don't care for a state or a party.
>>132399687
the residends of the village, you know how people kicked out jews or thieves or rapists

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>>132388515
Reminder thst this pasta needs a mention of "Objectivism" deserves a mention in the OP as it encapsulates Nationalism, Capitalism, Meritocracy, Individualism, and Libertarianism all rolled into one.
Libertarianism is only useful as a technical qualifier and is basically incomplete Objectivism. Objectivism without the epistemology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erytcpYpzRk

Posting a related video. Good old John Galt's 3 hour long speech, from an audiobook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5nhYo5nx4

>>132394507
This. NatSoc general and their pretending that they're right wing can fuck right off. Neocons sre cucked to Libtards and NatSocs to Commies, of which they were merely a competitor and not diametrically opposed to. Anyone/thing NOT diametrically opposed to Communism is ubercucke in my book.

>>132399791
I guess I thought you were justifying violence against those who might be violent in the future. I wanted to challenge you on that to either change your point of view or come to a closer understanding of each other, and I think we have. But back to my original point, degeneracy is not violence so you cannot use force against degenerates. Now what's stopping these people from flourishing in your society? Government can't because that is violence against the peaceful.

>>132399713
i don't know m8

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>>132400151
nap is truly the greatest of spooks

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>>132399687
I wrote about this in another thread, pic related

>>132399861
Lol, I like what you said about being a spiritual fascist. I've lately come to to think of a perfect society as having no fiscal or economic, laws and policies, but having very strict social laws, limiting degenerate behavior. I will from now on call it spiritual fascism!

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>>132399593
I still hope they are some way conservative, one of the classical liberal who is coming is a coworker of mine and we can agree on many points except his devotion to democracy, so I hope he got some conservative people in there.
but still they are germans so I expect some kind of cuckoldry.
If they are left libertarians I just hope they don't start their autistic screaming

>>132400100
Against degeneracy. Property rights allows the proprietors to exclude anyone he wishes. This means innept people and degenerates alike, and there is good incentive to do this being the destructive nature of degeneracy and their tendencies towards Socialism. Sure we don't approve of murdering them. But we very much approve of kicking them out of polite society and being rid of them.

>>132396401
And yet Japan is getting stronger and they are one of the gayest least religious societies in the world. Rethink your priorities.

Hello fellow libertarians, how are we smashing the government today?

>>132400151
Retard doesn't understand self interests beyond stealing for immediate profit. Stirnerites are truly short sighted idiots.

>>132400388
>I've lately come to to think of a perfect society as having no fiscal or economic, laws and policies
that's what I was always thinking until I found out that capitalism and free markets are those things, I lost many years fighting capitalism not knowing what it really is because of the lies of my right socialist friends at the time.

>>132400077
I'll put a mention for you my man.

>>132400306
I agree that these are accurate arguments against what is currently being used to curb degeneracy , but it does not tell me how the ancaps will stop degeneracy. I understand some of the problems today that lead to degenerate behavior would not occur to the ancaps, but what is preventing degenerate behavior in this "survival of the fittest scenario? I don't beleive it's evolution, because I can imagine ways in which degenerate behavior can be evolutionarily beneficial. What else could stop it?

>>132400595
Eating burgers and lighting up illegal fireworks.

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>>132388515
Happy 4th to you all, my friends.

>>132400791
God bless.

>>132400601
muh enlightened self interest will never make you truly compassionate and moral, because there will always be opportunities to be egoist without suffering any consequences

>>132400620
I agree with you 100% on that, but when you have a free market of moral principles, so to speak, the most "good" values are not always the most beneficial and can lose to more "evil" values

>>132400550
Japan is economically fucked, they are de facto a US colony
their population will soon shrink and all will sort itself out.

>>132388515
FUCK YOU

>>132400494
I see that as an unjustified use of force, and by that point you might as well be a fascist.

>>132400880
That is why the strentgh of a nation must come from within yourself, you can't really say you are an honorable nation, if you need the state to prevent you from becoming an heroin addict and die from it.
and another good thing is that without a socialistic healthcare system those junkies will sort themselves out because no insurance company will take them and if they try to rob you for more money to buy drugs you can jsut shoot them and nobody would care.

>>132400847
Stealing and murdering are not in your long term self interests. The difference between objectivist egoism and Stirner egoism is the time preference.

I'm not a randian, but I know what she's talking about.

>>132401263
You can see it that way if you want. But we believe in property rights. Degenerates do not have a right to my property. Deal with it.

>>132401419
You can keep them off your land but not out of your society.

>>132400681
>but it does not tell me how the ancaps will stop degeneracy.
By letting it die off on its own. If what are commonly accepted as "degenerate" behaviors are truly bad, then when you don't let a degenerate into your ancap community, they will have to associate with others like them in their own community, and they won't be able to hack it and die off. If they can survive, then so be it, you won't have to see them.

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>>132400151
Those two do not contradict.
And as fsr as Egoists go Rand>Stirner>>>Nietszche
Stirner may have coined it but Rand arrived at Egoism through objective reason as opposed to le Spook man arriving at it through relative emotion.
And no her being and Egoist was not her plagiarizing Stirner like dipshit /lit/fags like to assert but simply a case of convergdnt evolution borne from the advent of Aristotle.
Don't get me wrong; I like Stirner. He's good, he just aint Rand good.
Anarchism and Nihilism are entertaining rhetorically but are not to be considered seriously. LfCap>AnCap because Minarchism>Anarchism

>>132394998
You're implying a "should", as in, for being a slut, she "should not" get money. Which implies somebody has to control whether or not she gets money and for what, and who else is to get it.

Sorry, Communist faggot, your vaunted stateless society requires a monstrous state and will allocate resources inefficiently where people value them least, as has been proven time and again and time and again and time and again and time and again...

>>132401309
>implying egoist anarchism = exclusively stealing and murdering
It's only doing those things when it benefits you, you retard. Have you even read any Stirner?

>>132400681
Simply, property value and imitation of successful formulas along with contracts.

You don't need the whole world to be anti-degenerate, you only need a city. Market will offer anti-degenerate options and these options are always the economical optimal.

Imagine, you're rich, you have a house and live there for 10 years. Suddenly MCNigguh, a famous world rapper, buys the house next to yours, he starts bringing prostitutes, shooting his pistol in his property, letting his dogs shit all over the other properties, having his children bringing drugs to your daughter.

This is de facto devaluing your property more than termites, but with the state there's absolutely nothing you can do.

Without the state, these people would not think twice before signing a contract that prevents people of certain IQ to purchase property next to them

Private cities will, in their own self interest, maintain and grow their property value, and keeping degenerates out is quite a good way to do so. All you need then is one of these cities to show that excluding people of a specific IQ or with specific behaviors increases property value, and these contracts will be replicated in multiple other places as it would be a successful formula.

>>132401500
Society in ancapistan is someone's land. There is no common land, there is no public property. Such an analogy is not applicable to ancapistan.

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>>132388515
Libertarianism is going to be the bane of the west. We already have seen how libertarian values destroyed society and tradition. Now when we face economic desperation the kikes will be forcing this LARP ideological meme to avoid the obvious thing that needs to be done. 1488

>>132397869
Holy fuck, what are you talking about? The NAP only applies to people and their property. Animals don't have rights, which means that it's not an aggressive act to kill them, eat them, or do something else to them.

>>132401712
Who's enforcing that contract? And how are they doing it without force?

>>132401925
Why don't they have rights?

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>>132388515
Hate Has No Home Here

>>132401309
>Stealing and murdering are not in your long term self interests
unless you can get away with it with high chances and it's sufficiently rewarding
time preference doesn't have anything to do with stirner egoism, it's about not submitting yourself to superego type authorities such as god, society, loyalty, the greater good, and so on

>>132401738
Where do people go if they don't have land? Is being on someone's land reason enough to use force against them? If so, and all the land is owned, what do you do with them, without infringing on someone else's property rights?

>>132400996
When new borns have close to 100% survival rate at birth, people tend to make fewer babies, it's happening in Europe as well.

When things get better, people tend to be more lax. It's why UAE is super lax on booze and parties but that is considered degeneracy in Afghanistan. Same values, different circumstances.

You just have to wait it out. Beating the stupid out of them will just make more stupid. It's what I observe in all societies. And when you wait it out you breed out the stupid by meritocracy, and you end up with some "degeneracy", for a lack of better words.

Unless you go full genocide, which then I question your morals and your humanity. How much more civilized are you than niggers killing each-other because they are in a different tribe. Such as the Tutsi vs Hutus.

>>132401991
because they can't articulate free will.
same as retarded people, they live more on mercy than rights, again mercy derived from european values which why we just don't kill them, while in an arab society they would just be drowned.

>>132401944
If we were in an anarcho capitalist society you would most likely acquire property within other people's land and receive services along with that property, similar to a state but in a much more decentralized way.

These contracts should have provisions to third party arbitration in case of conflict between the landlord and the person buying property rights over a parcel.

Third party arbitration would be any security insurance known for being fair.

>>132402217
Can I use violence against someone because they are retarded then?

>>132402256
So it's like a government, but not? I'm not try to be fesecious, but how is it not a government then?

>>132402323
you can if you don't have any sense of morality, but consider the retard has a family and also bystanders wouldn't just watch when you beat up a retard.
>>132402207
exactly

>>132402148
In Rothbards words "where will the bum class go? Who cares?"

>>132392736
medieval feudalism

>>132402207
>>When new borns have close to 100% survival rate at birth, people tend to make fewer babies, it's happening in Europe as well.
applying r k selection to humans is silly. it has more to do with the fact that poor people living in shitholes have nothing to do all day but fuck and also children make valuable workers in low tech shitholes whereas in developed countries they're almost useless. poor people in developed countries such as israel don't have their children die at birth, but they still have a lot of children because they're retards.

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Anyone else totally comfortable with using the state to enforce far-right ideals if we find ourselves living under a state? I'm asking because I really like the notion physically removing leftists as well as other undesirables and want to restore property rights and natural order. I think anarcho-capitalism is ideal but I really like the idea of using an already-existing state to force the most responsible members of a society to lead that society as well as utilize the physical removal principle (arguably in a less efficient way) to secure a civilization and a future for its children.

>>132394348
Five's so cozy.

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>>132401309
...but you should be Randian. :3

>>132402452
Because it is voluntary, the relationship is exposed to a contract and third party arbitration, and it is decentralized to the point where "if you don't like it just leave" becomes much less impactful.

It's changing the "social contract" for actual contracts, which is a major change already in the way society works.

>>132402452
the problem with modern states is that it has a monopoly of violence over other properties, while the state itself has no rightful property and everything it declares as property is bought by stolen money.

>>132402523
Aw man, I liked this ideology because I believed it was the most moral true, but if you can kill a retard because they can express there free will, I'm out.>>132402538

>>132402652
Or are they poor because they are retards?

>>132402538
I guess I don't think owning land should be a precursor to survival.

>>132402736
well it is, it is only your fault if you are a unmoral bastard who goes out kicking retarded people.

>>132402736
You're probably gonna like mainstream don't tread on me Libertarianism. It's the alt-light of ancap. Better suited for degenerates.

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>>132402754
the eternal cycle

>>132402882
Your body is your property. You can never not own yourself.

>>132402690
I think you nailed it on the head, it's changing social contracts to actual contracts. I don't see how this fixes the problem as a whole, I can see how it might be better than what we have now though.>>132402956

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>>132400628
This guy

>>132403073
ownership is theft from the commune

>>132403073
I agree>>132402956

>>132402663
>Anyone else totally comfortable with using the state to enforce far-right ideals if we find ourselves living under a state?
No

>>132402956
Would the degenerate thing to do be the killing of the sped?

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>>132388515
Daily reminder

>>132402686
I don't want to read her long ass book. But I like her. What should I look at?

>>132401991
They can't exercise free will, they can't consent, they can't reciprocate rights, etc. There are many reasons.

>>132403431
just do what i do and read the wiki
i never read any books but nobody calls bs

>>132401991
also, they have no understanding of rights or non-aggression.

>>132403163
I don't care about your commie horseshit.

>>132403505
>just do what i do and read the wiki
efficiency, thats why the jew always wins

>>132402736
Why do you not rob? Is it because you fear punishment of the state or you think it is wrong.

Could be both. I accept both.

For example, I don't download video games without buying them because I fear punishment, but I also think it is wrong.

>>132402736
You might believe that throwing stones to women for being unfaithful to their husbands or hanging homosexuals is immoral, but this belief alone won't stop people from doing it in their country. In order to "expand" your moral values you either do it through argumentation, or through violent invasion to their countries.

Anarcho Capitalism deals with moral relativism by using segregation, you associate yourself with people who share your moral values and hope that your decisions lead to prosperity and therefore more people wanting to live under the same conditions as you.

For example, age of consent. If you have a girlfriend and are planning to have a family, would you purchase property in a place with no age of consent enforced? Would you not have some sort of insurance against your 13 years old daughter being seduced and abused by an older man?

The problem with today's migration is the lack of contracts, people move to places that are way better in moral values but they don't need to renounce to their morals in order to live there, this changes in ancapistan, properties that enforce strict morals will be more attractive than those which don't.

>>132403505
I called bs. I've never read her but I can tell you have no clue.

>>132403533
I think we're just getting caught up on how where justifying who gets rights. I can see the reasons and benefits of killing that person, or the animal, but if I'm being morally consistent, I would have to say that all living beings should have the same rights, and deserve the same initial respect.

Hoppeans are not real libertarians.

>>132403630
Fucking this, I want to live in a society free of Islam and Socialism.

>>132403768
then you'd have to life in a town where all people think like you, or live in a village where nobody cares, but you will always be the crazy guy who talks to bugs and tomatoes.

>>132403663
it's too late to call bs now that i told you lmao

also ownership is nothing more than successfully exercising power to hoard resources for egoistic purposes. your labour doesn't entitle you it's fruits, you're just emotionally invested into the stuff you've invested time and energy into making so you get mad when someone tries to take it

>>132403630
We have the ability to do all of that with or without a government. I can see how ancap society could be more "efficient" , for lack of a good vocabulary, at reaching these goals, but I still don't see how it stops evil people from flourishing. Not saying that our current society does that either

>>132404008
I called bs before that. Unless there's another kike in the thread.

>>132403812
Non hoppeans are not real Libertarians

>>132403961
Lololol true, but luckily I allow myself to be flawed, although I am still trying to pursue a morally consistent ideology, and I don't think it is libertarianism, or monarchism, or anarchocapitalism. I am lost

>>132404157
this board has id's burgerking

>>132404043
>but I still don't see how it stops evil people from flourishing. Not saying that our current society does that either
it will by force, it is clear that failed individuals will come together to loot the well doing settlements, so you have to fight them off.
think about it like all the shitskins flooding our countries, if government would do his job, they would shoot everyone when he crosses the border illegally.

Do you remember the chapter in Culture Of Critique about the group of intellectuals who surrounded Freud? It was a sort of secretive Jewish cult bent on subverting the West.

It seems to me that Rothbard calls out Ayn Rand for trying to form a similar sort of cult. I think Rothbard was one of the good ones and Rand was one of the potentially anti-western ones. Rothbard here compares her to a cult leader and talks about how secretive and in-group oriented it was, exactly the way Kevin MacDonald describes Freud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejVMFLpQuY
https://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/mozart.html

To anyone who is more familiar with Rand and the objectivists, am I on base with this speculation? I confess I've not read her at all. Are there examples of gentiles who the objectivists wouldn't allow into their clique?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivist_movement
I'm barely glancing through this page and almost every single person is a Jew, even moreso than the Austrians. I personally think Rothbard's anarchism is non-subversive.

>>132404254
Yeah I looked back and it was you. So go fuck yourself idiot.

>>132403768
You're wrong though. If you want to be a vegan, then more power to you; however, that doesn't mean that people are morally inconsistent if they don't think animals have rights. People have rights because they have the ability to express their free will, and because they have the ability to reciprocate rights.

>>132404212
>I allow myself to be flawed
I wouldn't care if you don't steal or or doing some other shit.

>>132404392
quote me retard

>>132404043
We don't have the ability to segregate at all, we're being forced to multiculturalism and having to support externalities of people we've never even crossed paths with.

>but I still don't see how it stops evil people from flourishing

Could you be a bit more concrete as how this would happen so I can address your concern concisely?

>>132401309
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>>132404468
My post your post and your latest post here faggot.

>>132404582
doesn't look anything like you calling bs though, you're giving me "i was just pretending to be retarded" levels of damage control right now
what is this

>>132394998
She created publicity and popularity so people used her to get money. It is pretty basic and many people are used to simply push a trend or make a company money through using people like this.

>>132404326
I agree, but I wanted to get there without using force, and was hoping y'all could enlighten me, o well

>>132404691
I was correcting you're understanding of randian self interest. Now you're just playing dumb.

>>132404876
but you're wrong in your correction

>>132396100
Degenerate behavior can easily be culled. It could actually be controlled more than in our world. I can explain it in something that is very simple. If one of your friends has ever said "hey, I am going to get a face tattoo", you either have very bad friends or you tell them "You shouldn't do that as you couldn't find many jobs if you did that". Employment and regulations for employees maintain structure in the workplace and could prevent degenerative behaviors in a nation with a small government.

>>132404502
I disagree on the segregation thing, but that really doesn't matter and we probly won't come to any conclusion. But my point about evil behavior is that sometimes it is evolutionarily beneficial, and without a extra evolutionary force, like a hierarchy, we would lose all morals that are not useful to survival

Reminder:
Right>Left
Capitalism>Socialism
Meritocracy>Democracy
Libertarian>Authoritarian
Libertarianism>Egalitarianism
Objectivism>Libertarianism
Objectivism>Subjectivism/Relativism
Egoism>Altruism
Individualism>Collectivism
Individualism>Statism
Nationalism>Globalism
Anarchism>Totalitarianism
Minarchism>Anarchism
Conservative>Progressive
Liberal>Fascist
NatCap>NatSoc

What am I missing? Don't be afraid to mention something I already have as long as it's compared by a different standard.

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>>132403812
everyday until you present an argument faggot

>>132404931
No. You're wrong.

>>132405010
that's pretty damn accurate actually. i'm only reserved about the objectivism part

>>132399283
Simply use their own logic against them. Minorities usually push for more government to prevent hate crimes which is a reasonable justification for their removal from society based on their actions and not on their heritage.

>>132405010
The only flaw I see is that true egoism IS altruism. It's a hard pill to swallow tho.

>>132404826
There is no such utopia in which everyone hugs each other, violence and force are part of nature, even if all humans would come together there will still be wildlife who uses force when you walk into their territory or you could even consider earthquakes as natural violence.
You could only have love and peace inside an area with strong border where people who use more violence than the outside force to keep you safe inside.
Viloence is always the last resort if there are no more arguments and when you cant agree because both parties think they are right.

>>132405010
>thing I like>thing I don't like
>x>y
>a>b
>c>d
>e>f
>g>h
>i>j
>k>l

Wow such a clever and informative post!

>>132400151
The self-interest comes from basic self preservation by finding a way to maintain yourself, then after you are fully stable, improving your situation by starting your own business and making society better by growing the economy.

>>132405288
That's probly true, but for some reason, inherently illogical, I will keep chasing that utopia in the form of refining what I think could create that utopia.

>>132405010
I also gotta say that minarchism is more of a pipe dream than Anarchism.

>>132405222
good point, they will surely bring up discrimination, in which case they woull need a government with hate speech laws to prevent it, which would contratict with my property rights if I hate on niggers on my own lawn for example

>>132405002
Again man, I'm not trying to pester you but you need to be more concrete.

Saying that evil behavior is sometimes evolutionarily beneficial by itself is almost impossible to address, give me one example of this that could happen under anarcho capitalism and I will either explain or admit a grey area.

>and without a extra evolutionary force, like a hierarchy, we would lose all morals that are not useful to survival

Why would we lose morals if we, in our self interest, look forward to living in places guided by moral values? And we believe in decentralized hierarchy to support those morals, of course.

>>132403812
How do you come to that conclusion?

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>It's either capitalism or communism, there is no third wa-

>>132405110
> The difference between objectivist egoism and Stirner egoism is the time preference.
but that's wrong. the difference is that stirner doesn't prescribe ought-spooks and goes maxium edge

>>132405460
try to go into the mountains and meditate, maybe you will come to a conclusion, that's not even sarcastic.

>>132405466
As in anarchy can happen due to civil war and minarchism needs people to transform from whatever system to minarchism?

>>132405203
Watch this (first vid): >>132400077

>>132405626
but the reichsarbeitsdienst didn't had rifles, they only had shovels.

>>132405626
You are just in time for the free heli rides.

>>132405552
Exactly. I usually cut out the racial slurs until I befriend them (then I use them in a comical nature so everyone thinks it is funny) but you can point to the simple evidence with programs such as affirmative action, the modern day welfare state and crime rates which drive many to demand more law enforcement.

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>>132405010
i am a fan of this post

>>132405652
Lol, you're a basic bitch. You haven't taken egoism to it's conclusion. Altruism.

>>132405423
>posts with crypto-leftist flag
Opinion immediately discarded

>>132405708
In that there is no such thing as "limited government"

>>132405626
You forgot the part where the leader launches a war against his own European brothers, becomes a drug addict and then commits suicide.

I will admit that National Socialism is the best form of socialism.

>>132405768
Not surprised that some slave driving Saudi degenerate is an Ancap.

>>132405824
altruism following from egoism is only circumstantial. if i'm a pure psychopath you have no way of appealing to my emotion because i have none, why should i be altruistic?

>>132405802
Yes thanks I will try to be as moderate as possible.

>>132405915
>National Socialism is the best form of socialism.
that's because it wasn't really socialism (not like i'm complaining but still)

>>132405559
Don't worry I'm not pestered, and I'm not being clear. its a assumption to say that all morally good behavior is beneficial to survival. So the specific evil behavior really doesn't matter. It could be many diffrent issues. The burden is not on me to give you an instance were your society breaks, we aren't even qualified to assume the answers to those breaking a. The burden is on you to tell me how your going to stop behavior that is evolutionarily beneficial while still adhering to the NAP. I don't think you can. Evil behavior is not necessarily violent behavior, and you can't assume that it will die out as society becomes more free

>>132405978
Because altruism is truly what's best for you. You need more rationalism to compliment your egoism.

>>132405010
Sounds about right to me.

But what is "Objectivism>Libertarianism"

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>>132405944

>>132389045
(づ｡‿‿｡)づ
“It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.”

>>132406021
Regardless, It is the only one by name that I can find any value in (mainly because of that point)

>>132406081
>Because altruism is truly what's best for you
you just take it for granted and are unable to demonstrate
and in the first place you don't know my values, i can be a fucked up reptilian

>>132405665
Good advice. I get the Immpression your a good person.

>>132405944
Your true leader literally enslaved and killed off people. Something I object to, be it done by Nazis or Saudis.

>>132406136
>My values
>Muh spooks
Pick one huuurrr

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>>132405716
alright, i'll do that my dude

>>132389828

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>>132406207
I really don't care as long as you don't intend to harm me in anyway, hope you find something good luck.

>>132406112

this shit would happen today

>>132405708
Minarchy sadly maintains the biggest danger to freedom: Res publicae.

The notion that you have a say in the way something is administrated is only seen thanks to the public affair, within private property, the limits are clear, you have no say about what I do in my property so long as I don't force people to be in it.

The moment people have the idea that they have a say over something that does not belong to them this will require democracy and the limits will need to be controlled ad-eternum which is impossible, war, conflict, the state will always come with ways to screw up your liberties "temporarily" and that will be the end.

Did you know that income tax was introduced as a temporary measure for world war II? Heh, that's minarchy.

>>132406097
Different standard of comparison. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erytcpYpzRk
ALL Objectivists are technical Libertarians but not all Libertarians are Objectivists.

>>132406493
In brasil, when you find out that one of the daughters has a penis.

>>132405915
Nazism isn't a form of socialism. We just acknowledge that the greatest human achievements arise from large co-operating groups with a common goal of securing a future for their family and nation, rather than selfish atomized individuals obsessed solely with money and their "rights".

Part of the reason autism is closely correlated with ancapism is autists feel disconnected from others and therefore co-operation and self-sacrifice is an alien concept to them. Mixed in with the millenial mantra of "you can do anything!" attitude leads to a toxic combination of isolation + inflated sense of self-worth. Naturally this combination leads to ancapism since the autist believes he will be at the top of the food chain by virtue of his perceived merits if "true capitalism" is embraced, and in doing so will be able to afford more consumer goods (as consumerism has conditioned him to worship and strive to obtain them in order to be happy)

>>132406651

sure, just substitute 10 goats for 5 cows and RPG for hand grenade

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>>132406969
>(as consumerism has conditioned him to worship and strive to obtain them in order to be happy)
keynesianism led to consumerism, because saving your capital is not worth it in the long term, which forces you to spend your money to gather material values, which over time conditioned the people to a degenerate lifestyle of high time preference.
>>132407185
god bless brasil.

>>132406062
I already explained quite a few ways in which anarcho capitalism deals with degeneracy, violence, and so on, you're apparently not accepting my explanations but you're not specifying why you don't, or providing examples that were not covered or prevented by the logical conclusions I reached in my previous posts.

There's no way we can continue that conversation unless you're willing to show me holes in my logic, without that, it all comes down to "you're wrong".

>>132407373
I thought your argument boiled down to you can separate yourself from the degenerates. To me this assumes that they will then die out on there own, or your society will become so powerful it won't matter. I just don't accept that outcome as more than just an assumption.

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happy burgerday y'alll

could you imagine falling for someone with different opinions? i just had one of you guys spill their spaghetti in lengthy adoration and praise for me despite our differences(i'm somewhere between libertariansocialist/greenanarchist) and he's putting me on a pedestal and i am very confused and flattered.

he wants to liberate this :3 but i think i am slowly converting him

>>132392736
>hurr durr what's stopping a nation from esnlaving you?? i betcha you didn't think of that one, huh dumb ancap ha?

>brb imma go work 6 months out of a year for the government for free, and then give 1% of my earnings to an unelected monarch, while they use that money to start wars that cause refugees, and then use the remaining of that money to displace me with said refugees.

>>132406969
Nice 6969 combo

I am not an anarcho-capitalist and National Socialism is social by nature which I do enjoy the aspects of as it can advance a society. Unlike ancaps, I view a basic society as necessary in order to maintain the people and the economy. If you have a social organization which has competition which is shown give more people an incentive to do better, the end goals may be reasonably obtainable. Many people enter the business world with the hopes of gaining high profits so they can go on to support their families in the future and can feel like they are making their nation better. Constitutional rights (which should more important than just being a piece of paper that the government steps around) are an important foundation in allowing people to know that the government won't simply take everything they worked for to improve their life and their family and give it to someone else who "needs it more".

>>132407559
If you think that you are converting him but he is actually knowledgeable, then the plan is going along well

>>132406571
Then I might not be full on AnCap. I actually never thought I was.

I believe in minimal localized governments. We need an army to keep out invasions. Can't have an army without an organized government.

And crime, not all crimes is always done towards or inside property of others. It could literally happen on the street when no one is looking. If someone is found dead on the street, who is going to hunt down this killer? I don't like frontier justice. I want an unbiased, transparent and impartial police and justice system that works for everyone. For example.

What if I kill a guest that I invited in my property own property? I don't mind death sentience, I just don't want mob justice or negligence of justice.

Also without a minimal sort of government, who's to say your property belongs to you? If I actually managed to kill you and all your friends with an army that is following me and enslave all your women and take all your property, does that mean that property now belongs to me?

I believe we need a sheriff and deputies, town hall for direct democracy at least.

So why don't you guys just call it Anarcho-Capitalism general instead of pretending it's about Libertarianism more broadly?

>>132407792
There's some monarchists here

>>132407340
>keynesianism led to consumerism

Capitalism is the cause of economic homeopathy like Keynsianism in the first place. You can't blame consumerism on post war keynsianism particularly as consumer culture accelerated most noticeably in the 1980s as the western world adopted laissez-faire monetarism.

The profit motive drives consumerism, since there is maximal profit to be made from selling unnecessary goods with planned obselesence in a cycle. If you are an aspiring entrepreneur and cannot find a niche, you simply create one.

I didnt knew that libertarians are right wing norbleft wing

>>132407792
I am not an anarcho-capitalist but some people here are and Libertarianism encompasses many ideas

>>132408003
what?

>>132407752
>We need an army to keep out invasions. Can't have an army without an organized government.
Wrong. Read The Private Production of Defense, incentives don't work very well for states attacking stateless populations.

>>132406969
You are socialists, just that you are socialists for whites. You are way closer to the left then anywhere in the center. And you are closer to totalitarianism then libertarianism. Admit that and I can take it seriously. The fact that you believe regular Germans were allowed guns and their property is laughable.

>>132408067
There will always be people who invade for domination.

>>132408060
He was born that way.

>>132408087
>The fact that you believe regular Germans were allowed guns and their property is laughable.

Gun rules were relaxed for regular Germans and tightened for jews.

Try again.

I'm not even a 14/88er but this flag most closely represents my beliefs and I will defend NatSocs when idiots spout meme history they learned from Alex Jones.

>>132408267
Yes, most of them go into the government.

>>132408400
I assumed by that flag. I think the best option now is to just put it down.

We can't let it suffer.

>>132407961
Yes but the attitude to buy unnessesary comes from within oneself, but humans live in a society in which values are around depending on the culture you are in they can variate but you always have a leading culture and you absorb their values if you live in that society, many atheist nowadays still live buy european or christian values even if they denounce it.
so what is your nation worth if you need a state to regulate their behaviour, you end up with a degenerate biomass of subhumans which can only be restricted by force.
but the goal should be to raise once society/nation/race to higher levels.

>>132408013
>some
It feels like the great majority are.

>>132408267
Don't you believe this is predictable and insurance companies will do all they can to protect its citizens?
Not only that, but the population would have more guns than usual, literally impossible to take over.

>>132408442
Did they take guns away from those who didn't support the government?

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>>132406969
Oh REALLY faggot? Nazism isn't a part of socialism? NAationalsoZIalistische deutsche arbeiterpartei wasn't sxoialist.

>B-but muh Hitler said that he identified his socialism as opposed to Marx. S-so it's good
And Hitler didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. No numbnuts being opposed to Marx doesn't magically make you right. And his use of "oppose" was a lie: NatSoc was in competition with Communism, not opposed to it. Only Capitalism can do that.
Dumbfuck Hitler would have unwittingly paved the way for GloSoc if he had won so thank fuck he didn't.
And don't fucking tell me how impressed you are with his romanticism of the patriotic Man. I don't give a shit, irrelevant. Hitler Nationalism was a psuedo Nationalism of the Mystic variety Rand describe. Your next move will be to call Rand a kike and/or Capitalism a shekel-rubbing scheme.

>>132408614
I was pretending that I am not in the minority ideology here but you are probably right

I enjoy having a wide variety of viewpoints (including ones that oppose my own) so I can strengthen or better my own views

>>132408442
I was a natsoc when I was young, and at the time I came into contact with them I was a full blown socialist, I even read everything from the leftwing of the nsdap, so the socialist part is not only a meme.
but I have to admit there are people from the party I still like and will defend like rudel or hess.
also the swastika is still important as a religious symbol to me.

What's the difference between SJW and Hoppeans? Both of y'alll want to stomp on free speech and live in ideologically homogenous bubbles.

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>>132408847
>rambling marxist bullshit

chillax dude, go stand in a breadline for bernie or something and calm down.

and yes hitler was a socialist that gave everyone in germany a """"""free"""""""" radio.

>>132409151
I am not a Hoppean but technically the SJWs could go have their own covenant communities if they wish to maintain their views. It is what they want after all, isn't it? They clearly would eat themselves like a snake eating its own tail.

Of course, that is depending on who you ask how covenant communities could work a a theoretical Hoppean society

>>132408847
The Nazis used socialist propaganda and had some aspects of a welfare state, for whites. However, there was no state ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany, therefore it wasn't socialism. In fact, capitalism did rather well.

Please do some historical research next time before you peddle the age old line of "NAZIS WERE LEFT WING SOCIALISTS!"

National Socialism: People working for the good of the country with profits going to the owners of companies, driven by the needs of the state with all conflict between classes suppressed by a heavy-handed state.

>>132408847
>Hitler Nationalism was a psuedo Nationalism
it was the last form of leading a already decaying biomass, race is more than just dna, without the spiritual part it is just keeping the dna alive.
I also think the socialism in the name was to gather the masses for the vote, which led of course to socialists flooding the party and they influenced it.

>>132408701
Insurance companies try their hardest to get your month subscription and not cash out as much as they can. It's pretty much scam if there is no oversight.

And you under estimate the power of bombardment. You need to see things in a bigger scope. There are things called weapons of mass destruction.

And I don't trust in the sanity of everyone to have their own WMD if they can.

Hell if I hard access to huge army of mercs and weapons till the moon, I will kill every Muslim and raze Mecca. I'd even kill my family if they don't reject Islam.

>>132408442
Yeah, no. Guns were taken from every civilian.

>>132408452
What do you mean?

>>132409614
Weren't most of the corporations state-owned?

>>132409614
>National Socialism: People working for the good of the country with profits going to the owners of companies, driven by the needs of the state with all conflict between classes suppressed by a heavy-handed state.

so facism then? big whoop, same strong centralized government bullshit. you can put dressing on a turd, it's still a turd.

>>132409614
the state could seize your land if you don't use it for anything, they see as productive.
like having land and don't use it for farming and just have it as valuable land.
it is a point in the party program and was officially there to prevent price speculations of land.

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>>132388515
Just cruising by. AnCaps are retarded. Libertarianationalism is literally the only way to live free or die. Good luck faggots.

>>132409971
>And I don't trust in the sanity of everyone to have their own WMD if they can.
This would be retarded. Private defense also means private regulation, I could, for example, own a tank but buy a nuke at the grocery store because that puts everyone in danger. Only big companies with agreed upon regulation could own this sort of thing.

>>132409189
>marxist
Did you just vomit that out without thinking? Objectivists like me despise Marx. My implication was that Hilter's ""opposition"" to Marx was half baked and wnot as well borne out as our criticism. At the end of the day Hitler was just a filthy socialist.

What ever in the fuck do you mean that my prose was "rambling marxist bullshit"?

>>132410118
This. LfCap>AnCap

>>132410372
>Did you just vomit that out without thinking?

pretty much, your post was way too long to read.

>>132410372
>Objectivists like me

Kek. Must admit I do remember reading Atlas Shrugged as an edgy teen.

>>132410372
>filthy socialist
Meant to say *statist

>>132409971
>Yeah, no. Guns were taken from every civilian
Whatever you say Sheikh

>>132409997
Corporations and companies remained privately owned. Of course, they recieved many government contracts especially when German became a fully fledged war economy. Big profits were made by Volkswagen, Krupp steel etc, even foreign corporations like Ford and IBM made money selling products and services to Germany.

>>132410006
>strong centralized government

Strong government is a good thing. Countries with weak governments tend to get taken over pretty quickly.

>>132410600
That's all you got skipper? till not an argument.
And her fiction was merely a mechanism for her philosophy that essentially ammounted to "John Galt is bretty cool".
Argumentatively I come more from "The Virtue of Selfishness" and "Capitalism The Unknown Ideal". Adamantine clad and as-of-yet unassaiable. I have yet to encounter an argument against these two masterworks.

>>132411156
I have looked into it before. Wasn't Volkswagen owned by a union, or was that only during its conception?

I do know that Coca-Cola eventually bought out Fanta as well and profited off of that company

I do also like the story of Adidas though (which was privately owned)

>>132410345
Who is going to regulate them and enforce that regulation?

>>132411156
>Strong government is a good thing. Countries with weak governments tend to get taken over pretty quickly.

Yeah, totally. I mean look at that place Switzerland, most de-centralized government on the planet today. They probably get taken over every 10 years by a different ruler.

>>132411156
>Of course, they recieved many government contracts
so who paid the companies.
also the führer gave everyone work if he wanted to work, but who paid for the jobs
and if a strong government prevents occupation, how you explain the outcome for germany then?

>>132411188
I'd postulate Ayn Rand and Nietzsche are the most potent philosophical drugs on an impressionable young mind, especially a young white man. I can say this from first hand experience, since I fell down the Nietzsche rabbit hole from a ripe age of 16, though I do not look back on those years with great fondness. That said, I personally find Rand's work absolutely devoid of the sophistication, wit and insight of Nietzsche's.

>>132411523
USB is a standard that was invented by private companies. This shows us that companies operating in the same area can colaborate. If nukes are needed for defense, companies will compete and to not go MAD, they will assure that they are following the rules. The clients will also chose that that has a way of assuring that shit is not going to happen unless necessary. They'd monitor if a certain individual is doing something like that in his backyard because that could be really dangerous.
It is in no companies or clients interest a nuke lauched for no purpose. There's no chance this wouldn't happen without previous commitments.

>>132409189
About your pic
For you who have to build roads, private corporations?
Explain to me I want to know

>>132410118

>just crusing

It shows. Read Hoppe, I guarantee it'll resonate in you.

>>132411605
I don't think it's worth my effort explaining the numerous reasons Switzerland isn't being invaded by its neighbours, though I urge you to think for a moment why, if you were a country, it would not be in your interests to invade a neigbouring country. I assure you they won't have much to do with free markets, and a lot to do with governments, and in Switzerland's case, banking.

I appreciate your attempt at a sarcastic knockout blow, but it appears you unwittingly argued in favor of globalism.

>>132412278
Roads allow for easy travel which is in high demand from people across the world. In my state, many logging companies have private roads and trails all across the state which they allow people to drive on. These roads are maintained with profits from the companies, donations, etc. If we are talking about a large scale, they would be maintained by those who are looking to maintain their road systems so they will continue to be able to travel.

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Anyone of you bois know about Sovereign Man (aka Simon Black)

So far I think he's the most valuable ancap to look at, his posts are usual at zerohedge so you might have read him

a shame his content is locked behind +900$/year paywall

If none of you don't, damn sons, why are you woke then, just to be depressed?

>>132411605
Furthermore Switzerland is an extra-special cherry picked example and you know it, since even over the past several hundred years when countless small European states fought one another, Switzerland remained relatively intact thanks to geography and its aggressively neutral stance.

>>132409151

SJW want to use the state to enforce their ideology. If they succeeded, you would go to jail for using the wrong pronouns or for not hiring a trans person, for example

Hoppean covenant-based communities are voluntary communities; if you like the rules/laws it has, cool, maybe you'll be able to join. If you don't like it, you're free to go. If you don't like it and yet you refuse to go, you'll be physically removed.

>>132412853
I'd rather not pay $900+ to simply hear someone speak when I have access to cheaper/free resources through the internet and local libraries. If he does have some free demo content, I would be willing to look into it.

>>132412937
Austria invaded switzerland and they fought us back in a bloody war, that is even the myth on what the eidgenossenschaft is based on.

>>132412782
Do you make libertarian threads everyday?
I just have to search the word "libertarian" to find it in the catalog?

>>132412937
>Switzerland remained relatively intact thanks to geography and its aggressively neutral stance.

Thanks to it's de-centralized government.

>>132413128
I don't make the threads, I just like to join them since I am not on /pol/ every day.

>>132412949
Good thing right wing has never used the state to push their ideology. Except for every single fucking right wing government ever.

At least make a valid argument.

>>132413198
Geography does give the Swiss a massive advantage when it comes to defending. That and their well-armed populous which is educated with firearms and a culture which doesn't breed stupidity with violence.

>>132413223
When did he say that they didn't?

>>132413223
>At least make a valid argument.

Speaking for yourself?

Where the fuck did I make a case for current right wing governments?

The book Economics in one lesson is a libertarian read?

>>132411991
Have you read HER critiscisms of Nietzsche?
And fullstop; a postulation is an assertion of the axiomatic kind. I will now demand you explain, how you reason out and your basis for, this axiom.
>on an impressionable young mind, especially a young white man
This is a well-known leftist tactic regarding Rand specifically. Unique to her in fact. Borne out of Commies' gut wrenching realization that Objectivism is the greatest threat they have ever encountered. As it represents the American Constiution epistemologically completed; the rejection of the primordial evil that is Altrusim that it lacked.
You cement my paranoia (yes I admit it is just a paranoia) that there exists in sharblue and company a NatSoc shilling pillar.
What I just did was potentially commit a fallacy so by all means; explain how I did. If I did.

>>132412853
This guy is the best ancap I know.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnL00qrAdEH4yosYTbgNVlw

>>132412949
>Hoppean covenant-based communities are voluntary communities;

I don't understand how or why independent communities are inherenetly "Hoppean" or anything else for that matter. If the government dissapeared, anarchism would simply take its course.

What special provisions does each respective form of anarchism make to ensure its particular ideal comes to fruition? Or is Hoppe simply presenting his prediction for how Anarchism would transpire? In which case his and anarchist thought from across the spectrum is rather superfluous, don't you think?

>>132413375
Could you respond this guys?

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>>132413070
he's educating about so many stuff, his podcast at least are worth it, if you like molymemes, he's just way more based and pragmatic
and also leaking his new found gems for risk-safe decent investments and other kind of opportunities/foundings to save your back and enjoy the decline, and it's great, for real

It's so well founded the shit pays for itself in a year if you have 8k to invest, it's outside mainstream markets

no ancaps are really making plans to improve your life for real outside of vague stuff
he's like the god tier of a prepper

here's the marketing
>Take advantage of investment opportunities around the world that generate exceptional returns while taking minimal risk
>Legitimately save tens of thousands of dollars in taxes with simple no-brainer strategies
>Protect the assets, you’ve worked all your life for, from financial crisis and frivolous litigation
>Obtain a second passport (potentially for free) that will provide you the lifelong benefit of more options to live, work, invest, travel, and do business around the world.
>Live a luxurious and worry-free lifestyle overseas that would be unaffordable elsewhere
>And many more…

lel, but it's kinda true

just testing the waters if there's anyone else interested like me, so we can make a split deal and leech on it for cheaper kek

>>132413786

It's just semantics, really.

Obviously, no libertarian would say that civilization doesn't need some sort of order/rules/codes/etc.

In the case of Hoppe, he proposes covenant-based communities. People with similar ideas and objectives (and most likely, from the same culture and ethnic group) associate to form their own set of rules over a certain territory. Thus you would get communities that are maybe more socially liberal, communties that are Muslim-only, Gay-only, Christian-only, communities that say "no communists", "no bums", and so on.

Nothing new, really. You could say that's how people lived together hundreds of years ago

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>>132414365
fun plot twist
>Obtain a second passport
...did you know..?
one option is turning jewish, to judaism, just to get Israel citizienship after the period and process top kek

>>132414365
It does sound interesting even though I don't consider myself an anarcho-capitalist. I may check out some of his work and look into it. I am not sure if I will end up paying for anything but I am interested for sure.

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>>132414590
You could even say that's kinda how the US started

>>132414590
>Nothing new, really. You could say that's how people lived together hundreds of years ago

The problem I have with this is that a government filled the vacuum every time throughout history. I believe government is inevitable. I don't see how reverting to anarchism would not simply restart the historical evolution through tribalism, feudalism, imperialism and so on.

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>>132414968
there's lot of free content

youtube channel (he quitted updating new podcast over there)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAaYl8kUxg

All his free stuff
https://www.sovereignman.com/learn-more/

I mean, his free stuff is already mindblowing, I got in touch with his content like months ago and I'm amaced he's so unpopular so far

>>132415432
Ill have to add that to my watch later and the other to my read later bookmark folder. Thanks for the links.

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he took together nigel farage, peter schift and ron paul
https://youtu.be/UZap5n3zGZ8?t=1m35s

>>132414590
>Obviously, no libertarian would say that civilization doesn't need some sort of order/rules/codes/etc.
No true scotsman. Yes infact wome Libertarisn DO actually beleive that. This is where the empolying to Objectivism v creed-Libertarianism (as opposed to 'Libertarian' used as a classifier) and Minarchism v Anarchism comes into play.