fuck washington and fuck 'patriot' people

>>132368119
Here's the archive https://archive.is/apili

>>132368161
bless him
>>132368119
as for you, the american rebellion led to england realizing it had to let people go, if it hadnt happened, everywhere including India would be solidly British

>>132368119

>We could have been boring defenseless losers whose countries will all be muslim in 20 years

Absolutely degenerate

>gopnik
Name fits him perfectly

>>132368364
>In Canada, ninth grade disclosed a history of uneasy compromise duality, and the constant search for temporary nonviolent solutions to intractable divides. The world wars, in which Canadians had played a large part, passed by mostly in solemn sadness. (That the Canadians had marched beyond their beach on D Day with aplomb while the Americans struggled on Omaha was never boasted about.) Patriotic pageantry arose only from actual accomplishments: when Team Canada won its eight-game series against the Russians, in 1972, the entire nation sang “O Canada”—but they sang it as a hockey anthem as much as a nationalist hymn.

>>132368353
>the Revolution was a piece of great-power politics, fought in unimaginably brutal terms, and no more connected to ideas or principles than any other piece of great-power politics: America was essentially a Third World country that became the battlefield for two First World powers

>>132368119
>We could have been Canada
What a terrifying thought.

>the American Revolution wasn’t American. The quarrels that took place in New York and Philadelphia went on with equal ferocity, and on much the same terms, in India and England, and though they got settled by force of arms and minds differently in each place, it was the same struggle everywhere. “Radicalism flourished in Boston, Bristol, and Bengal, while fears of disorder and licentiousness provoked rural elites in both the Hudson Valley and the English shires,” du Rivage writes. “As radical Whigs gained strength in North America, the political culture of the British Empire became increasingly Janus-faced.”
>On one side were what he calls “authoritarian reformers”; on the other, those radical Whigs. (Both were seeking to sway or supplant the “establishment Whigs.”) This isn’t the familiarly rendered divide between Tories and Whigs; the authoritarian reformers were less fusty country squires attached to old English institutions than an élite executive class of intellectuals and aristocrats committed to the Empire and to the reform of institutions that were seen as preventing the Empire from being maximally efficient. It was a group of men who, in spirit and psychology, were not entirely unlike the “reformers” in China, open to change for the purpose of reinforcing their own power in an intact hierarchy. The authoritarian reformers were “not a political party per se,” du Rivage writes. “They were, rather, an ideological vanguard, a loosely organized group of politicians, publicists, and theorists.” (Significantly, no famous names cling to the group; career politicians and businessmen like William Murray, Matthew Decker, and Viscount Bolingbroke were their mostly interchangeable leaders.) They wanted a strong monarch surrounded by a circle of aristocratic advisers; very limited democracy; reform in the Army and Navy; and a tax-heavy system of mercantile trade—all of it intended to make the Empire as profitable as it needed to be.

>the 1775 pamphlet “Taxation No Tyranny,” captured the argument best: the men who settled America had chosen to leave a place where they had the vote but little property in order to live in a place where they had no vote but much property. With lucid authoritarian logic, Johnson explained that even though the American citizen might not have a vote on how he was taxed, “he still is governed by his own consent; because he has consented to throw his atom of interest into the general mass of the community.”

>>132369264
you are literally south canada tho, desert boy

>>132368768
just like 1776 huh

>>132368161
kys bot

where u 1776 fags at? your revolution was pure degeneracy, even canada is less degenerate

>>132368119
>wahhh if we stayed slavery would have ended peacefully
>idiots on the left not realizing telling the colonies to end slavery and cripple themselves economically would have started the war anyways

>>132370651

just not worth it to argue with some ass supporter

>>132368119
what an incredibly disrespectful, and naive piece of work. Slavery in the US and Britain were entirely different. The author says look to canada and austrailia... which has far less black people

Also, le based patriots meme were a bunch of cowards
>Hoock’s book does raise another, unexpected question: why is it that, until now, the Civil War cast such a long, bitter shadow, while the Revolution was mostly reimagined as a tale of glory? One reason, too easily overlooked, is that, while many of those who made the Civil War were killed during it, including the Union Commander-in-Chief, none of the makers of the Revolution died fighting in it. The Founding Fathers had rolled the dice and put their heads on the line, but theirs was the experience of eluding the bullet, and, as Churchill said, there is nothing so exhilarating as being shot at without result. Of how many revolutions can it be said that nearly all its makers died in their beds? In the American Revolution, the people who suffered most were not the people who benefitted most, and the lucky ones wrote most of the story. Like everything in history, amnesia has its own causality.
>>132371622
>A seventeen-year-old British soldier, arriving on the scene, recalled that “the shrieks and screams of the hapless victims whom our savage fellow soldiers were butchering, were sufficient to have melted into compassion the heart of a Turk or a Tartar”—as pointed a comparison in lethal indifference to human suffering as an eighteenth-century British mind could make.

>>132371641
>accounts are mostly about white guys quarrelling with other white guys, and then about white guys being unimaginably cruel to one another, stopping only to rape their enemy’s wives and daughters.
>As Taylor showed, what we called the “Indian” population—in Canada, the preferred name now is First Nations—struggled to find space, and land, between the Americans and the Canadians, and mostly lost (though they lost on the British side of the border with less violence than on this side, the British being less hungrily murderous than the Americans).

Kys

>>132368161
Based Norbot

>>132371641
PLUS
>The experience of the African abductees in the war was more tragic. Thousands of slaves ran to the British lines, with the encouragement of the British Army, and though the Brits mainly valued the slaves as an irritant to their masters, they did give them shelter and, sometimes, arms. At Yorktown, thousands of escaped slaves recruited as soldiers fought within the British lines; when the Americans compelled the British to surrender, many of the slaves were returned to their miserable bondage—including slaves owned by Washington and Jefferson. “Jefferson retrieved five or six of his slaves; Washington recovered two young black women but not a dozen other slaves who managed to slip away,” Hoock recounts.
>Had the British won, we might now be taught about a fight between brave British emancipators and indigenous slaveholders, with the black slaves who defected to the British-loyalist side seen as self-emancipators, as the blacks who defected to the Union Army are now, and with Washington’s and Jefferson’s rhetoric of liberty shown the same disdain we have for the not-very-different libertarian and individualist rhetoric of their heirs in the Confederacy. We would perhaps wonder, far more than we are now allowed to, how radical Whigs like Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Paine ever allowed themselves to betray their own Enlightenment principles by making the tragic error of entering into a compact with slaveholders.

>>132368119

i'm not even looking up what argle bargle means. fucking writefags try too hard.

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>>132368119

>>132368894
noticed that, kek

>>132368119
>could have been Canada
Thank god we aren't.
>social-democratic
Maybe these faggots should move to Canada.

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>>132368119
>wanting to be a socialist marxist winter wasteland
lmao

>>132368119
based leafs win again

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Every war is a bankers war

>>132368119

>(((Gopnik)))

SEE THE JEW
NAME THE JEW
HANG THE JEW

In conclusion, no better than french fags
>Still, if history is not always written by the winners, it shapes itself to the slope of events: had the episode arrived at a different outcome, as it easily might have, the American rebellion could well have come to be seen as the French Revolution often is, if on a far smaller scale—a folly of Enlightenment utopianism unleashing senseless violence.

plus, the rural and suburban retards who made the revololtion can't be trusted with trade deals
>eople mocked the beginning of the “Star Wars” cycle, turning as it did on a trade dispute, but trade disputes are real, and begin wars, and whom would you really rather have running the government when a trade treaty has to be negotiated on a galactic scale: Senator Palpatine or Han Solo?

Palpatine 2020

>>132373204
>>132373153
>The authoritarian reformers—the empire, in other words—have something to be said for them; and what is to be said for them is, well, Canada. Our northern neighbor’s relative lack of violence, its peaceful continuity, its ability to allow double and triple identities and to build a country successfully out of two languages and radically different national pasts: all these Canadian virtues are, counterintuitively, far more the legacy of those eighteenth-century authoritarian reformers than of the radical Whigs. This is literally the case; the United Empire Loyalists, as they were called, the “Tories” who fled from the States, did much to make Canada. More than that, Canada is the model liberal country because it did not have an American-style revolution, accepting instead the reformers’ values of a strong centralized, if symbolic, monarchy (the Queen is still there, aging, on the Canadian twenty-dollar bill); a largely faceless political class; a cautiously parliamentary tradition; a professionalized and noncharismatic military; a governing élite—an establishment.

WTF I love Canada now, it's the neo-reactionary alt-right paradise!

>>132370651
>if you don't accept your 6 year olds repeating the gender nonsense we brainwashed it with in school we'll arrest you and take your child
>less degenerate

Canada is what would've happened if literally everything went wrong in America

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You could have been Mexicans in sweaters
Wait a minute.....

>>132368119
Very subtle false-flagging, my friend.

I appreciate what you're doing for us, making the left look even weaker and stupid than people thought.

>>132368119
Then move to Canada, faggot

please let me trade places with these pieces of shit who don't appreciate the freedom they have in the US, it makes me fucking sick when i see this attitude

>>132373407
LeL, youd better not check how deep that rabbit hole is. Try google "gopnik" or "russian gopnik".

Also
>l-le patriots fought the establishment!!!!!!!
>t-they fought the british!!!

> people quarrelled not about clans but about concepts. In fact, participants in the quarrels could cross clan lines: the radical Pitt’s brother-in-law, George Grenville, himself a Prime Minister, was the leader of the authoritarian reformers in Parliament.
>This account cuts against the American specificity of the Revolution—the sense that it was a rebellion against a king and a distant country. No one at the time, du Rivage suggests, saw what was happening as pitting a distinct “American” nation against an alien British one. Participants largely saw the conflict in terms of two parties fighting for dominance in the English-speaking world. The scandalous high-water mark of du Rivage’s iconography occurs in January of 1775, when Pitt (now ennobled as the Earl of Chatham) brought Franklin, then living in London, into the House of Lords to witness his speech on behalf of the American radicals, in effect sealing the unity of the single party across the ocean.

Imagine if BLM allied with the democratic party to declare California independent because they're traitors who hate their country

Literally the sme as le founding fathers, who loved debt-slavery, the literal cucks
>Alexander Hamilton, back in New York, was a model radical Whig—trusting in bank credit and national debt as a prod toward prosperity, while the authoritarian reformers were convinced, as their successors are to this day, that debt was toxic

>We could have been Canada
Thank God for the revolution

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>>132368119
>We could have been Canada

A

>>132374078
t. radical liberal traitor who wants to larp as freedom fighter while his wife gets blacked by his slaves

and pol calls itself redpilled

>>132368119
WE

>>132374474
COULD

>>132368119

They run these articles every year, who cares.

After the loss of the Thirteen Colonies, England bent over backwards to keep Canada happy. Taxes were lifted, trade restrictions lifted, greater representation in the government was allowed.

Basically, England gave Canada everything they denied the United States.

Another way of looking at it, the Founding Fathers of Canada were the Founding Fathers of America.

And you're welcome.

>>132374506
HAVE

>>132374555
BEEN

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>>132369264
The nightmare is real

>Could have been canada

A fate worse than death

>>132374672
kek

>>132373450
Show your real flag cuck

>>132368119
Canada is shit I wish I was an american sure its only 62% but at least I can say i'm free

btw if you cucks even read the texts posted here, you'll realize the founding fathers were the cuck radfem LE RESISTANCE blm-tier fags of their day

>>132374976
not an argument

>>132374279
California has representation.

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>>132368119
>We could have been Canada

I would not wish this upon my enemies

another point is that americans like to be amused and peaceful transfers of power are boring, that's why there isn't one movie about canadian history

Awful.

>>132368119
>Canada
>peaceful evolution away from Britain

Are you retarded? They were literally considered subjects of the British crown and not canadian citizens 60 years ago. They still technically have to listen to the queen, their prime minister is her representative.

>>132368119
This is typical Jewish slime.

The war was largely over cultural differences. The British system of government was corrupt and dysfunctional. Whole sections of Britain were being represented in Parliament that had not been in existence for centuries. One region that was still be represented had fallen off into the sea decades before. It was a system built on patronage and class, that favored a cosmopolitan elite who had nothing but contempt for the rural peasants and middle-class merchants of the colonies.

Almost all revolutions come from the middle class, even the Russian Revolution. All stem from middle class marginalization and a hostility towards a decadent, corrupt, cosmopolitan elite. Exactly like today with Trumpism.

The Patriots were also hardened white nationalists. Washington refused to let blacks serve in his army. This is the only real aspect of the Revolution that has been purposely buried. Many rebelled as the Brits favored Indian (who were basically the MS-13 of their day) interests over theirs. The British also promised freedom to any slave who took up arms and fought for them. This caused Loyalists to abandon the cause and pushed those on the fence into arms of the Patriots.

>>132375242
Samuel Johnson already answered this non-argument

And commiefornians bitch about not having representation and elections being hacked and a bunch of mumbojumbo too

>>132374279
>No one at the time saw what was happening as pitting a distinct “American” nation against an alien British one
No shit?

>>132368119
>we could have been canada
Praise the good Lord above we didn't

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America fought for independence while the fucking leafs went back to mommy Britain's feet to grovel.

>>132368119
>one of the owners of the New Yorker is a Rothschild

getting tired of this Britkikes t b h

Blow it out your ass

Canada almost got annexed. We could have been a country of 500 million whites with that leaf Lebensraum and our economy. Fucking Britain.

>>132369684
thanks for reminding me to filter democrat flag, leaf.

>>132378193
>The war was largely over cultural differences. The British system of government was corrupt and dysfunctional. Whole sections of Britain were being represented in Parliament that had not been in existence for centuries. One region that was still be represented had fallen off into the sea decades before. It was a system built on patronage and class, that favored a cosmopolitan elite who had nothing but contempt for the rural peasants and middle-class merchants of the colonies.
Just like the US of A with its electoral college and non-proportional representation, the difference being that the rural and suburban retards are the privileged ones now

Also
>implying giving frontier and colony retards equal representation isn't cucked
Might as well say that Guam and Puerto Rico should have delegates in the electoral college

>we could have been Canada
Post your flag, leaf.

>>132378703
Without the memeots kikery you'd be an whit empire ruling the seven seas, even the caribbean would be white, eventually

>>132368119
>wanting to be canada
You should be shot.

>>132378994
even the quebecniggers wouldn't be a problem

>>132378994
manifest destiny isn't over, nearly every north american state is 1) a political vassal 2) an economic vassal 3) both

>>132368119
nah Jews needed a state of their own to run.
but the whole world would be different if american revolution never happened.
Would quebec exist as french if usa was part of britain? if no one cared about french quebec then no multiculturalism.
if no quebec

>>132378823
>Just like the US of A with its electoral college and non-proportional representation, the difference being that the rural and suburban retards are the privileged ones now

Childish argument. That system was the product of a systematic, rational process that was found best to protect people from the tyranny of cosmopolitans while protecting local states. The British system was simply dysfunctional and corrupt with very little incentive for reform.

>rural and suburban retards are the privileged ones now

Having their jobs outsourced, having the low end jobs taken by immigrants who suppress wages, dying of heroin imported because of open borders, and being forcefully integrated with hostile minorities. Oh yes, they are so utterly privileged compared those poor urbanites who suffer horribly with having their safe spaces at college violated by CIS scum. You should be thanking the Founding Fathers. Without the electoral college in place, we'd likely be looking at another revolution. Which I'm not entirely convinced isn't a bad idea.

>Guam and Puerto Rico

They have a choice that the colonists didn't have. They can become states if they want.

>>132368920
so this article is just to show how clever the author is, not to make something accessible to many readers to argue his point (which i guess is also just to show how clever he is)

Funny how those countries don't have 30 million blacks to deal with

>look up the author
>Gopnik was born in Philadelphia and raised in Montreal. His Jewish parents, Irwin and Myrna Gopnik, were professors at McGill University, and the family lived at Habitat 67.[
EVERY TIME

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>>132368119
Jewish. What a surprise....

>>132380052
>they are so utterly privileged
They are. Their votes are worth more. All the othee mumbojumbo is unrelated to what I said and literally not an argument

>>132380149
The point is argued very clearly.

Why can't leafs just read stuff before leafing all over the place?

>>132368119
>We could have been Canada
I'd say that Americans made the right choice

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>>132380446

wtf

>>132381109
Canada was far more based and traditional than the US until Trudeau fucked it up

And they are still better in many ways, even their degenerates aren't as self-rightous and revolutionary as american degenerates

What fucking faggotry is this
Why doesnt author move to the globalist cuckhold Canada then if he loves it so much

>>132382348
>globalist cuckhold Canada
>checks flag

LMAO

>>132368119
>could could could could could
Yes, it could have gone just perfectly in every respect. But that's "could" not "would."

>>132368161
thanks

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>>132368119
Fuck that. More like "we could have been CANADA?!" (thank you for saving us, God)

>>132368119
>less inclined to celebrate the desperado over the peaceful peasant

Who the fuck are the pilgrims? We celebrate them.

>>132381926
If Canada could be co-opted by one faggot of a Prime Minister, without barely a peep in response, then their "based traditions" were about 1mm deep.

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>>132381926
Canada is just American liberalism on steroids

they have every single policy that American liberals beg for. without a pesky Constitution to get in their way

>>132385874
so, just like the US?

its unironically easier to fix canada than the US

All their need is 40% voting for a based party and almost everything can be changed by a simple majority.

The US cant even recover from a shitty SCOTUS ruling or a bad consitutional change

>>132368119
>We could have been Canada

More reason to celebrate the 4th of July

>>132385908
that's because canadians are cucked per se

the US is invariably cucked by it's own institutional history and the mentality that comes from it

Once the US get's it's Trudeau (the father, not the cucked son) and he gets to make a single change to the constitution, or nominante 3 judges, the country will be lost forever and it'll be hard as fuck to fix it.

Canada can get fucked easier, but once fucked, the recovery is easier too.

See how they're still way less SPICED+BLACKED+CHINKED than the US even having been the first country to adopt multiculturalism

>>132368119
Then go to Canada you gigantic faggot.

LOL

America has accomplished a ridiculous amount.

And we did it oooouuuurrr waayyy

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Someone please explain to me why the United States shouldn't invade Canada right now

>>132386280
you don't know how the US works if you think the president can do anything with constitutional amendments

>>132368119
>a near-continent-wide Canada.
Jesus Christ how horrifying.

If that's what that cuck wants so bad he can fuck off to toronto.

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>>132386756
Never stop your enemy when he is making a critical error.

>>132368119

Ill take a 'thank you' from every country for preventing this. Fuck you Canada. You could have been American.

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>>132368119
every. fucking. time.

>>132368119
>we-could-have-been-canada

Canada was more conservative than America until the end of WWII.

>>132386829
>implying the president doesn't drive the legislative agenda, and that american trudeau wouldn't have as large as majority as leaf trudeau did
>not understanding the westminster system

>not making an argument

(((GOPNIK)))

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>>132368119
this fucking kike

>>132368119
piss off nigger
conflict and hardship builds strength
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

>>132368161
Blessed NordBot, the salvation of all above the finnish gulf

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OP is a gigantic faggot.

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>>132368119
Loyalist scum

FUCK CANADA

>>132388066
the states have to ratify the amendments, the federal legislature only proposes them

its much more difficult to pass a constitutional amendment than you think

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>>132380470
Wait, his name is literally Gopnik?

>>132368119
Canada is nice. Just don't talk to anyone who works for the government in any capacity. They got poo brain.

>>132388292
Don't worry, 1812 wasn't really that well planned anyway.

>>132368119
Gopnik is redneck/bully in russian.

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>>132388869
No, it really wasn't.

Gtfo op. Seriously. Pack your shit and just gtfo with your pansy ass kike bs

>>132381407
why do i like this?

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>>132368119

I have never been this upset.
I have never been this in awe of human stupidity.
I never in a thousand years imagined we could fall this far.

I'm sorry Anons. I think this is it. I don't think we can fix this. It's over. I don't know if we can come back from this fall.
These fucking parasites, they claim to be my countrymen. Their vote has the same weight as mine. These fucking cockroaches are destroying the greatest nation the world has ever and will ever see. I'm so sad.

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>>132368119
Move to Canada or Australia.

>>132388501
are you this retarded that you think a president that gets elected in a wave of support, stays 12 years (yes, this changes too) in power and has 60% of people behind him wouldn't have a majority of the states?

stop making non-arguments

>>132388869
well, americucks failed to annex canada

>>132373037
Me too. Very adequately named "gentleman".

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>>132368119
>slavery might have ended, as it did elsewhere in the British Empire, more peacefully and sooner
>a whole 30 years

Take that fucking donkey off LEAF, we all know it's you

>>132390185
> a whole generation
>nothing

So I guess if Obama ruled for 30 years that would be fucking nothing too?

>>132368119
Utopia is a plane ride away. Do it.

>>132368119
Tl;dr
"What if everyone just got along peacefully, war is always avoidable" - written with plenty of "Some Founding Fathers owned slaves! :0" bias.

There's your you. Now I'm going to finish grilling these burgers, set off a few fireworks, and finish this beer.

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>>132368119
>less violent, and less inclined to celebrate the desperado over the peaceful peasant

Yes, much better to be a good little drone that falls in line behind his 'betters' than someone with a spine and motivation to improve.

>>132391378
>improve
Is this what's been happening in America for the last 200 years, politically? Especially the last 60 ones and the last 20 ones?

toppest of keks

>>132391032
Not at all what the article says.

It explains how either the whigs in the UK should get power or the whigs in the US should just fuck off instead of chimping out for no reason and larping as le rebolutionaries

>>132392336
>Is this what's been happening in America for the last 200 years, politically?

Yes you fucking mong. American is nowhere near perfect, but it is the freest and strongest country in the history of the world. Even the most cucked states in the Union are more free and prosperous than any European or Commonwealth state.

Take your fascist faggot shit back to Europe, statecuck.

>>132393213
and yet the federal government grows larger and more influential every single year, and the CIA knows even what kind of porn you watch